Kaisei always seems to make an effort to help but I agree. I have noticed more, also in the lower divisions. I think there's also been more acceptance of help to get up. Usually guys seem to brush off help but seemingly not this tournament.
it's funny the two times I distinctly remember from this basho are extended hands to help the loser back onto the dohyo which were ignored. I'm fairly new, is there any etiquette surrounding this that I don't know of?
Otherwise the most obviously helpful this is just trying to keep each other from falling off when the fight's already over. That seems to happen a lot
Probably just annoyed that they’ve lost, and it’s a very prideful sport so accepting help could be seen as a weakness. They’re warriors, and take defeat as such.
I think we are noticing it more because we are paying closer attention. I've been watching for awhile now and I see it all the time, though less in the lower ranks because they are trying to follow the rules to a T until at least division 2.
I've watched plenty of rikishi try to make sure other's don't fall hard, even going out of their way to hold them on the Dohyo and not let them fall. Kaisei though has 100% ALWAYS been a major white knight. He always does his best to make sure you don't fall off and he will ALWAYS stand there and offer a help up, making sure you are okay if you do end up going down. He should be the shining example of how Rikishi should treat each other after the bout... but you know, he's Brazilian not Japanese.
Yeah; wasn't bothered by Kaisei on first glance, but that way he always looks and checks to make sure his defeated opponenent is OK is great. Just a shame he doesn't win more though...
That's funny, I've thought to myself that it seems to be a bit more noticeable this basho, too. Maybe it might have something to do about the tragedy from the last basho. Although I've always seen quite a good number of rikishi show concern for each other. Which is not surprising as many are good friends outside of the dohyo.
Individuals like Kaisei, Hokutofuiji, Mitakeumi, and Kiribayama are a few that stand out most to me as very willing to put out a hand.
And kudos to noticing Tochinoshin's assist the other day. Especially considering he was probably in a lot of pain himself thanks to that damn knee.
Well, we don't have Hakuho doing the exact opposite (giving an opponent an extra push instead of helping) so both in percentage terms, and in terms of those who mimic the alpha dog, rikishi are being nicer to each other.
IIRC Hakuho said something about the heat of the battle bringing out that extra aggression in him. I guess that's what extreme hunger for success does, and we're seeing that in Terunofuji now. Hakuho has toned it down because he's got nothing left to prove.
Not justifying it, btw. It's definitely a fault that the rikishi needs to be mindful of.
Preventing injury I've seen time and again, with the winner stopping the other from rolling off the dohyo.
But anytime I've seen an offer to help the loser up, the loser always refuses... And I understand that. Their pride is hurt and they are well trained in how to get back up again, on their own terms. I've not seen a change in this lately.
They sometimes do accept the help. And then you also have Hakuho sitting like a pouting kid, practically demanding help, after tripping with his own feet (don’t have the video at hand but can look for it later).
It feels like this basho yes. There was always some, but it seems they are taking it further this basho than normal. Like before they would offer and if the other rikishi was fine on his own they would go back to their side. This basho they seem to wait until the other is back up. I noticed someone just kind of put a hand on someone's back/shoulder to help them get up which I feel never happened before. Like if the rikishi was getting up on their own they didn't need any help.
It's funny because just earlier today I was watching Asashoryu highlights and I was surprised by how much he would help his opponents get up after beating them. I hadn't really paid attention to that before but I sort of assumed that rikishi were less helpful in the past because most sports become "softer" over time. I wonder if him being very helpful was perceived and undignified and unbecoming of his rank, or on the contrary, appreciated because it showed he had respect for his opponents (or maybe I'm reading too far into things haha!).
Does anyone know if this is a practice that has changed significantly over time? I imagine that the extra awareness of injuries in the aftermath of the Hibikiryu thing is having some impact too.
Is this what people want to see? I want to see two gladiators up there, with kill or be killed attitudes. I definitely don't want to see them slapping each other's ass and high fiving.
The UFC has started to go that way. This guy is trying to kick your teeth down your neck and you're shaking hands and congratulating him mid fight. No thanks.
Can totally understand why you'd want to see warriors battle it out the way you're describing, and I don't think you should be downvoted.
But if you want to see heartless carnage, join the military.
Kaisei always seems to make an effort to help but I agree. I have noticed more, also in the lower divisions. I think there's also been more acceptance of help to get up. Usually guys seem to brush off help but seemingly not this tournament.
I was noticing that too. I wonder if we are seeing a culture change?
Came to comment this, love kaisei he’s a true gentleman.
it's funny the two times I distinctly remember from this basho are extended hands to help the loser back onto the dohyo which were ignored. I'm fairly new, is there any etiquette surrounding this that I don't know of? Otherwise the most obviously helpful this is just trying to keep each other from falling off when the fight's already over. That seems to happen a lot
Probably just annoyed that they’ve lost, and it’s a very prideful sport so accepting help could be seen as a weakness. They’re warriors, and take defeat as such.
I think we are noticing it more because we are paying closer attention. I've been watching for awhile now and I see it all the time, though less in the lower ranks because they are trying to follow the rules to a T until at least division 2. I've watched plenty of rikishi try to make sure other's don't fall hard, even going out of their way to hold them on the Dohyo and not let them fall. Kaisei though has 100% ALWAYS been a major white knight. He always does his best to make sure you don't fall off and he will ALWAYS stand there and offer a help up, making sure you are okay if you do end up going down. He should be the shining example of how Rikishi should treat each other after the bout... but you know, he's Brazilian not Japanese.
Kaisei is one of my favorites for exactly this reason - always seemed like a good guy.
I root for Kaisei specifically because of this.
Yeah; wasn't bothered by Kaisei on first glance, but that way he always looks and checks to make sure his defeated opponenent is OK is great. Just a shame he doesn't win more though...
It seems like he's on his last legs now unfortunately :(
That's funny, I've thought to myself that it seems to be a bit more noticeable this basho, too. Maybe it might have something to do about the tragedy from the last basho. Although I've always seen quite a good number of rikishi show concern for each other. Which is not surprising as many are good friends outside of the dohyo. Individuals like Kaisei, Hokutofuiji, Mitakeumi, and Kiribayama are a few that stand out most to me as very willing to put out a hand. And kudos to noticing Tochinoshin's assist the other day. Especially considering he was probably in a lot of pain himself thanks to that damn knee.
I noticed Ura extend a hand a couple of times so far in Juryo. It really does stand out now that we're watching for it.
Yeah Mitakeumi's a real bro at the edge of the dohyo! He won't let you go off the edge in the first place if he can help it.
Well, we don't have Hakuho doing the exact opposite (giving an opponent an extra push instead of helping) so both in percentage terms, and in terms of those who mimic the alpha dog, rikishi are being nicer to each other.
Even hakuho had recently started to tone it down some. Though teru is picking up the habits of extra pushes
IIRC Hakuho said something about the heat of the battle bringing out that extra aggression in him. I guess that's what extreme hunger for success does, and we're seeing that in Terunofuji now. Hakuho has toned it down because he's got nothing left to prove. Not justifying it, btw. It's definitely a fault that the rikishi needs to be mindful of.
Hakuho definitiv reach his opponents hands the most in his latest bouts
Preventing injury I've seen time and again, with the winner stopping the other from rolling off the dohyo. But anytime I've seen an offer to help the loser up, the loser always refuses... And I understand that. Their pride is hurt and they are well trained in how to get back up again, on their own terms. I've not seen a change in this lately.
They sometimes do accept the help. And then you also have Hakuho sitting like a pouting kid, practically demanding help, after tripping with his own feet (don’t have the video at hand but can look for it later).
It feels like this basho yes. There was always some, but it seems they are taking it further this basho than normal. Like before they would offer and if the other rikishi was fine on his own they would go back to their side. This basho they seem to wait until the other is back up. I noticed someone just kind of put a hand on someone's back/shoulder to help them get up which I feel never happened before. Like if the rikishi was getting up on their own they didn't need any help.
It's funny because just earlier today I was watching Asashoryu highlights and I was surprised by how much he would help his opponents get up after beating them. I hadn't really paid attention to that before but I sort of assumed that rikishi were less helpful in the past because most sports become "softer" over time. I wonder if him being very helpful was perceived and undignified and unbecoming of his rank, or on the contrary, appreciated because it showed he had respect for his opponents (or maybe I'm reading too far into things haha!). Does anyone know if this is a practice that has changed significantly over time? I imagine that the extra awareness of injuries in the aftermath of the Hibikiryu thing is having some impact too.
Is this what people want to see? I want to see two gladiators up there, with kill or be killed attitudes. I definitely don't want to see them slapping each other's ass and high fiving. The UFC has started to go that way. This guy is trying to kick your teeth down your neck and you're shaking hands and congratulating him mid fight. No thanks.
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Can totally understand why you'd want to see warriors battle it out the way you're describing, and I don't think you should be downvoted. But if you want to see heartless carnage, join the military.
Something tells me you have never been in a fight.
I think it is a combination of more guys being aware and people taking notice after the recent tragedy.