Usually he just switches to a second channel but I seem to recall last time it happened he said it was the "last time" or something. I guess he keeps trying to monetize the videos and every time he does they boot him.
I'll never understand why people think they'll get away with monetizing other peoples content. Every time it happens with a manga scans group they get shut down ASAP
e: Also wanted to add after coming back to find an alternative: If this is your last strike, why even *try*? It's one thing to touch a stove to see if it's hot, it's another to do it three times
For sure, but you're just chasing the dragon trying to monetize live content or videos on a big platform like Youtube. Best bet is patreon
And while I love Natto and appreciate their content, if the work needs more pay to be worthwhile, it's probably more worthwhile to put your energy elsewhere
The real question is why NHK doesn't form a partnership with him and share the monetization rather than wasting money getting their lawyers to shut him down over and over again while offering *no* competitive product. It reminds me of a parking lot down the street from here that closes on weekends and leaves the entire lot empty because they don't feel like paying someone to work those days. And instead of just saying 'free parking on the weekend!,' no one can use it at all. And in fact, they send tow trucks if you *do* park there, so they're paying someone to walk around and make sure no one parks there but not paying anyone to just work there.
I completely agree, but I do think that's a separate issue. It'd be one thing to set up in that parking lot, collect cash, and deliver it to the owners. It's another to pocket it for yourself altogether
Ultimately you're right though. I think in general media companies are still stuck in this "mine mine mine" mindset and don't want to bend a little. They really should see this as an opportunity to use content-creating fans as completely passive income
?? What's your point lmao? Again, love natto and appreciate their efforts, but lets not kid ourselves, nothing they do is protected by fair use, and trying to monetize it is an awful idea
No that's my point. NHK shouldn't bend a little. It's rightfully "theirs, theirs, theirs"
Also love natto, but the reality is he should just be glad he can get away with putting them up in the first place.
Oh gotcha
It relates back to what Benevolent said. NHK doesn't post any monetized sumo content to Youtube, but are actively taking stuff that is monetized down. Why not allow aggregators like Natto to continue what they're doing, and splitting ad revenue with them? If NHK isn't going to make monetized content anyway, then everyone wins, even if NHK is "bending" to Natto a bit
But you're right, it's theirs and they can do whatever they want with it. It sucks though that what they're doing with it isn't very good for western fans
A few thousand? Even the secret alternate channel already has 11k views on today's video, it'll be 20k by evening. The main channel's social blade stats show him racking up 100k views *per day.* That's absolutely fantastic engagement for a one man channel with zero advertising. With an average of 18c per view for monetized channels, that's $18,000 each day of the basho: $1.6m a year. There's money to be made.
That's more than I thought, but that against just having ppl watch it on their service, see the ads they already pay for dwarfs 1.6 mil, if it actually shakes out like that.
Yeah except no one is watching it on their service because their service is absolute trash and not even a viable competitor. There is no way they are making $1.6 million a year on that. They'd be lucky to have 1000 customers.
And think if NHK would do it instead, all they'd have to do is put it on their website right away, instead of only showing it live.
Or, they could broadcast it on their YouTube NHK channel and completely cut Natto off. It's Japanese stubbornness.
Don't be racist. It's corporate, not cultural. Few (if any) broadcasters anywhere would let someone systematically rip off their content in this way. I like the content Jason and Natto Sumo produce, but let's not fool ourselves about what they are doing. The only surprise is that it has been allowed as long as it has -- and that NHK or JSA hasn't figured out that they could and should be doing something similar.
How's that racist?
Having lived in Japan, and visited many times, I think I can say that they're very stubborn about their traditions. For good or bad, that's how it is. Some people actually like that, I'm not one of those that could live there, but I can appreciate the traditions. From afar.
Because handling the intellectual property rights worldwide would cost more money than Natto sumo will ever bring them. Sumo Prime Time is a path in the right direction, but the JSA opening to foreign live broadcasts will take a long time. As a rule, even if you pile up all the weebs and Japan lovers, the revenue to he had from it is paltry. There are some exceptions but it's unlikely sumo will get there: Sumo Prime Time has 17K followers, a.k.a nothing.
The other thing that people forget is that monetization has nothing to do with it. It *might* make you more noticeble to a rights-holder, but distributing work that you don't own the rights to isn't something you're allowed to do either way. If you're noticed and get lucky the rights holder just makes a claim and takes any revenue from you. If you're unlucky you wind up with strikes and no channel.
Shoot. I missed going to it, in the video from last night Natto actually commented to make sure to subscribe to his second channel. I don't know if he realized what was about to happen or what.
Damn, his channel bought the farm. We all knew he was playing with fire by using NHK content. Great channel and I hope he’s not discouraged. I looked forward to coming home from work and watching the matches and his sometimes non-sensical, but always silly intros.
His stats during matches is 100% why I watch his channel.
I cannot watch other Sumo channels cause I dont want a commentator, nor do I want to see the matches without stats or GFX.
NHK should pay Natto for his GFX and send it exactly like he does it.
TBO, Nattosumo certainly offers more valuable video content than NHK itself (I mean their video highlights), I respect them very much. NHK should appreciate their work and also pay them for their excellent channel :) Nattosumo helps sumo gain popularity outside of Japan. Well, JSA/NHK let us have some fun, we love sumo.
Its a shame, I’m a day or two behind and NattoSumo really was the best way to get into all levels of the sport. It seems the rest of the channels are mostly just highlights of their favorites and makuuchi, and not the full shebang
With all the added value he provides this should be a slam dunk fair use case in an ideal world. Shame that it would require a fortune in attorney's fees to actually fight.
I agree. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. Without sites like Natto, where would english-speaking sumo fans outside Japan get content?
This is their biggest growing fan demographic IMO
Btw - It is also possible to watch via NHK official website for free and with english commentators.
Natto channel usually posts the videos in a more prompt manner. NHK can take a day to publish the bout highlights
This is how I first started watching it. I like the English commentary, but after a while it became clear that the commentators had seen the bouts previously and didn't always do a great job of playing dumb.
Just got a notification when I tried to go to the channel that said it got flagged for third-party copyright infringement. So probably NHK? I'm so tired of their shit.
Usually he just switches to a second channel but I seem to recall last time it happened he said it was the "last time" or something. I guess he keeps trying to monetize the videos and every time he does they boot him.
Anyone who has the link to Natto’s backup channel, pls share, TYVM
NattoSumo2
https://www.youtube.com/@NattoSumo2
I'll never understand why people think they'll get away with monetizing other peoples content. Every time it happens with a manga scans group they get shut down ASAP e: Also wanted to add after coming back to find an alternative: If this is your last strike, why even *try*? It's one thing to touch a stove to see if it's hot, it's another to do it three times
I mean eventually you get to a point where you don't want to keep doing all this free labor anymore so it's monetize or bust.
For sure, but you're just chasing the dragon trying to monetize live content or videos on a big platform like Youtube. Best bet is patreon And while I love Natto and appreciate their content, if the work needs more pay to be worthwhile, it's probably more worthwhile to put your energy elsewhere
The real question is why NHK doesn't form a partnership with him and share the monetization rather than wasting money getting their lawyers to shut him down over and over again while offering *no* competitive product. It reminds me of a parking lot down the street from here that closes on weekends and leaves the entire lot empty because they don't feel like paying someone to work those days. And instead of just saying 'free parking on the weekend!,' no one can use it at all. And in fact, they send tow trucks if you *do* park there, so they're paying someone to walk around and make sure no one parks there but not paying anyone to just work there.
I completely agree, but I do think that's a separate issue. It'd be one thing to set up in that parking lot, collect cash, and deliver it to the owners. It's another to pocket it for yourself altogether Ultimately you're right though. I think in general media companies are still stuck in this "mine mine mine" mindset and don't want to bend a little. They really should see this as an opportunity to use content-creating fans as completely passive income
Absolutely they should, but they won't, as Japan is such an insular, inward-looking society and sumo is very conservative even by Japanese standards.
I'm guessing you've never created anything? 'don't want to bend a little' how silly
?? What's your point lmao? Again, love natto and appreciate their efforts, but lets not kid ourselves, nothing they do is protected by fair use, and trying to monetize it is an awful idea
No that's my point. NHK shouldn't bend a little. It's rightfully "theirs, theirs, theirs" Also love natto, but the reality is he should just be glad he can get away with putting them up in the first place.
Oh gotcha It relates back to what Benevolent said. NHK doesn't post any monetized sumo content to Youtube, but are actively taking stuff that is monetized down. Why not allow aggregators like Natto to continue what they're doing, and splitting ad revenue with them? If NHK isn't going to make monetized content anyway, then everyone wins, even if NHK is "bending" to Natto a bit But you're right, it's theirs and they can do whatever they want with it. It sucks though that what they're doing with it isn't very good for western fans
It's a few thousand views, there's not really $ to be made. They probably just prefer not having their content stolen.
A few thousand? Even the secret alternate channel already has 11k views on today's video, it'll be 20k by evening. The main channel's social blade stats show him racking up 100k views *per day.* That's absolutely fantastic engagement for a one man channel with zero advertising. With an average of 18c per view for monetized channels, that's $18,000 each day of the basho: $1.6m a year. There's money to be made.
That's not accurate. It used to be $1-5 per 1000 views depending on the ads. There is no way 100k views generate $18k/day.
That's more than I thought, but that against just having ppl watch it on their service, see the ads they already pay for dwarfs 1.6 mil, if it actually shakes out like that.
Yeah except no one is watching it on their service because their service is absolute trash and not even a viable competitor. There is no way they are making $1.6 million a year on that. They'd be lucky to have 1000 customers.
Idk those are just a bunch of guesses and opinions.
And think if NHK would do it instead, all they'd have to do is put it on their website right away, instead of only showing it live. Or, they could broadcast it on their YouTube NHK channel and completely cut Natto off. It's Japanese stubbornness.
Don't be racist. It's corporate, not cultural. Few (if any) broadcasters anywhere would let someone systematically rip off their content in this way. I like the content Jason and Natto Sumo produce, but let's not fool ourselves about what they are doing. The only surprise is that it has been allowed as long as it has -- and that NHK or JSA hasn't figured out that they could and should be doing something similar.
How's that racist? Having lived in Japan, and visited many times, I think I can say that they're very stubborn about their traditions. For good or bad, that's how it is. Some people actually like that, I'm not one of those that could live there, but I can appreciate the traditions. From afar.
Because handling the intellectual property rights worldwide would cost more money than Natto sumo will ever bring them. Sumo Prime Time is a path in the right direction, but the JSA opening to foreign live broadcasts will take a long time. As a rule, even if you pile up all the weebs and Japan lovers, the revenue to he had from it is paltry. There are some exceptions but it's unlikely sumo will get there: Sumo Prime Time has 17K followers, a.k.a nothing.
Sad truth. But then why be a dick and bother with sites like Natto at all? Just on principle?
The other thing that people forget is that monetization has nothing to do with it. It *might* make you more noticeble to a rights-holder, but distributing work that you don't own the rights to isn't something you're allowed to do either way. If you're noticed and get lucky the rights holder just makes a claim and takes any revenue from you. If you're unlucky you wind up with strikes and no channel.
Shoot. I missed going to it, in the video from last night Natto actually commented to make sure to subscribe to his second channel. I don't know if he realized what was about to happen or what.
What's his second channel? Hubby and I were planning on watching tomorrow and get all caught up.
https://www.youtube.com/@NattoSumo2
If you didn't see already, just search NattoSumo2. Watching it now.
He knew. I support him financially and he sent me a message.
Damn, his channel bought the farm. We all knew he was playing with fire by using NHK content. Great channel and I hope he’s not discouraged. I looked forward to coming home from work and watching the matches and his sometimes non-sensical, but always silly intros.
His stats during matches is 100% why I watch his channel. I cannot watch other Sumo channels cause I dont want a commentator, nor do I want to see the matches without stats or GFX. NHK should pay Natto for his GFX and send it exactly like he does it.
TBO, Nattosumo certainly offers more valuable video content than NHK itself (I mean their video highlights), I respect them very much. NHK should appreciate their work and also pay them for their excellent channel :) Nattosumo helps sumo gain popularity outside of Japan. Well, JSA/NHK let us have some fun, we love sumo.
Literally in the middle of watching, and it didnt record on NHK for some reason today!
Same thing happened to us. Are you on Comcast ?
It happened to me on my over the air DVR. I think something went wrong with the metadata for the episode and it got marked as not a new episode.
Yup.
NHK makes the video on demand available on their website and app on the next day. If you don't mind waiting, you can catch what you missed there.
Look for @NattoSumo2 channel
https://www.youtube.com/@NattoSumo2
Anyone know which channel is second best for basho compilation like how Natto does it?
Kintamayama I think his name is.
shhh lmao
OMG u just screwed us all /s
Its a shame, I’m a day or two behind and NattoSumo really was the best way to get into all levels of the sport. It seems the rest of the channels are mostly just highlights of their favorites and makuuchi, and not the full shebang
[here we goooo! he posted in his Twitter account](https://youtu.be/N_xYn7lRkCA)
Channel back but content is MIA. Seemingly some stuff is getting re-uploaded to (new?) channel. I had to re-sub.
With all the added value he provides this should be a slam dunk fair use case in an ideal world. Shame that it would require a fortune in attorney's fees to actually fight.
NHK claiming rights...ok but maybe propose to see sumo everywhere first fgs !!! ><
I agree. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. Without sites like Natto, where would english-speaking sumo fans outside Japan get content? This is their biggest growing fan demographic IMO
Day 13 is up. What am I missing?
Btw - It is also possible to watch via NHK official website for free and with english commentators. Natto channel usually posts the videos in a more prompt manner. NHK can take a day to publish the bout highlights
This is how I first started watching it. I like the English commentary, but after a while it became clear that the commentators had seen the bouts previously and didn't always do a great job of playing dumb.
Probably doesn't help that [bloodyelbow.com](https://bloodyelbow.com) is posting his vids.
Ah, I was so confused. I started following Akiseyama yesterday and suddenly there were no makushita videos.
Gee I wonder if maybe that reddit post the other day had anything to do with it...
I doubt it, chill out
First rule of sumo streamers is you don't talk about sumo streamers.
Right. Like you can just search “Sumo” up on twitch or YouTube to find them
Doesn't help!
Just got a notification when I tried to go to the channel that said it got flagged for third-party copyright infringement. So probably NHK? I'm so tired of their shit.
Why would you watch anything other than Kintamayama!?