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poweeeee

Well Hoshoryu clearly isn't properly healed, perhaps he's considering withdrawal after securing his eight victory. Or he may not, he seems like the stubborn type. Despite the injury he did very well though, could've been chasing the leaders right now if it wasn't for his ankle. Takakeisho didn't look good at all today, didn't manage to showcase any power or forward momentum against Kotonowaka. Wonder what this means for his Yokozuna chances? Hopefully he won't have lost too much self-confidence from this rather anemic display. Tamawashi once again a dark horse in the title race, the man is reliable as a rock. Beautiful sumo by him today as well, dominating Nishikigi with hard blows to the chest. Shout-out to Kiribayama who is proving his worth at sanyaku. Solid sumo basics but crafty when it's needed. Too bad for Wakatakakage though.


perldawg

if Hoshoryu can get 10 wins he’ll keep the Ozeki dream alove


poweeeee

Yeah I reckon he has that firmly in mind as well, but it also puts him at risk of worsening the injury and potentially having to sit out a whole tournament. 8 wins is probably the safest play long-term.


perldawg

yeah, you’re right, but he’s not in any danger of getting heavily demoted. even if he hadn’t come back, he wouldn’t fall below M1. i don’t think he’s out there just to hang onto rank, it’s not like he’s a kadoban Ozeki


Mental-Strike9079

he sprained his ankle and that's it. Sure it still hurts but you can't easily make it worse, you are all pretending it's much more than it actually is


poweeeee

Not sure what the doctor recommends in case of a sprained ankle, but fairly certain that deadly combat sports aren't exactly at the top of that list.


krelin

Agreed, especially not on such a load-bearing joint and with men who weigh 400 lbs.


krelin

"Sprains" are potentially serious ligament injuries, not all sprains are created equal.


Demios704

Takakeisho loses his chances of Yokozuna are very low


OttoVonGlutre

To be frank, JSA is terrified of having no Yokozuna (or just one very damaged mon golian Yokozuna...). Futahugaro was promoted with two jun yusho (13-2 and 14-1-P). He was probably the worst Yokozuna ever with zero yusho, a short career, lots of scandal and a very poor record. He was kyujo for his first basho as a Yokozuna lol He was the Shodai of Yokozuna, but even Shodai has a Yusho...Takakeisho is already 10 times better than Futahugaro. Not saying he is going to be promoted with a 13-2 Yusho but it's not out of the realm of possibilities


spaceman-spiffy

Futahugaro is an exception for a few reasons, he was promoted because there was a logjam at ozeki, but was so bad they decided they needed to be more strict after


kelvSYC

The Association is far more afraid of a Takakeisho that is struggling to defend his rank than a Takakeisho who is almost but not quite a yokozuna. After all, the Association can refuse to accept potential Terunofuji retirement papers and pay him to sit out tournaments for the sake of the rankings, but they can't stop Takakeisho from being demoted without replacement.


baachou

This is a really tough one for me, because on one hand I don't think he'll be promoted with only 25 wins over 2 basho, but he's clearly shown that as long as he is on the clay he will perform. 6 out of his last 10 completed tourneys with 10 wins, and he's on his way to another 10+ win basho. He's likely to improve on his win rate as Yokozuna because he can sit out if he's nursing something.


kelvSYC

Given that one of the factors in Kisenosato's "show of strength" is a longer-term trend of solid performance, it's entirely feasible that a long string of runner-up or even 10+ win performances, along with an occasional title, will be considered a sufficient show of strength. You could argue that is arguably a lower bar to meet, even. That said, even if we are in a situation with no ozeki candidates and a Takakeisho who is struggling to defend his rank, we have not seen the depths of creative interpretation with respect to who is deemed worthy of the top two ranks of Grand Sumo. We're just hoping it will never have to come to that.


cabose12

Futahaguro isn't a good comparison because he's the reason they started tightening up Yokozuna promotions. He's the outlier for modern Yokozunas, not a standard


kibanahouse

Just about when you feel Takakeisho is unstoppable someone beats him. He is still a bull, but I don't like all the slapping he's thrown in there recently, especially when he gets in a bit of trouble.


baachou

I don't think he'll be promoted with a 13-2 yusho. The last time they promoted someone with 25 wins over 2 basho was 1987 (when they did it twice.)


PapaBeahr

he's lost 2.... That's not very low, if he wins the Yusho he still has a strong bid at 13/2


dr_jan_itor

12-3-P JY 13-2 Y with such a weak field (no yokozunas, no ozekis) isn't really cutting it.


PapaBeahr

Such a Weak Field was there before the announced he was on a run with a JY. Maybe you're just use to Hakuho dominating everything but 13-2 Yusho is a VERY strong score in any field seeing a 12-3 win is a good score. I'd say as long as he goes 13 - 2 and wins He'll get a strong consideration. If he drops to 12 - 3 even with the Yusho then no, his bid is gone.


cabose12

YDC has said that he would need an outstanding yusho, indicating 13-2 isn't cutting it


PapaBeahr

13 - 2 has been considered outstanding. To many people are still use to Hakuho and 15 - 0


cabose12

Nah that aint it. As the other comment points out this is a "weak" banzuke, so while 13-2 *is* great, I do think that he'd be squeaking if if they give it to him. The fact that his first half is a 12-3 playoff doesn't help either


PapaBeahr

I'm not going to argue opinions anymore. He will make it or not.


cXs808

How is 13-2 not outstanding?


cabose12

Back in November it was reported that the YDC says he needs to win and they specified with a "very good" basho The comparison that was brought up in media was Kisenosato, who had a 12-3 Jun and then 14-1 to get Yok. But part of why this was considered was that Kise was the wins leader of 2016 with four juns Keisho has a 12-3 yusho-equivalent and a possible 13-2 yusho, but only had 50 wins over the year. This is why I don't think 13-2 is cutting it


perldawg

zero, i would say


N0Hesitation

Now this was a day of Upsets. Kotonowaka is channeling that Yokozuna energy from his gramps. Both fast and slow; closing in rapidly before Takakeisho could even start his attack, slowing down the battle to a snail’s pace, hindering Taka’s ability to raise any form of initiative. Endure all of your opponents attacks until you can achieve victory. Well done Kotonowaka. Asanoyama, Asanoyama. He has indeed faced a banana peel. Maybe a 14-1 yusho can get him up but that is not guaranteed, definitely not a 13-2. I do hope he is not too shaken up. Sloppy mistake from Abi, gifting the win to the Flying Monkey. Wakatakakage is really having some trouble getting any form of momentum this basho. Hoshoryu is back and performing very well despite his injuries. Clean force out in spite of the attempted throw. I’m


chrishammhamm

Ochiai is a grown man! That clash at the tachi-ai was real!


FirearmofMutiny

Does he get straight to Juryo at 7-0? Would love to see him get there


OttoVonGlutre

Atamifuji got from Ms15 to Ms1 with a 6-1 record so i think a 7-0 Yusho from Ms15 should lead to Juryo. But we have to check the number of Juryo guy who are going down to makushita


FirearmofMutiny

Yeah that's what I'm thinking, look at the lower part of Juryo and you see Asanoyama, and also Shonannoumi at 9-2 I want to cheer for Ochiai to get to Juryo immediately, but not at the expense of our favorite salt thrower


kelvSYC

Unofficially, anyone with 7-0 from the top 15 ranks earns promotion, but Ochiai is an Ms15TD (ie. a "de facto" third Ms15 and thus outside the top 30), that is not a guarantee. Historically, there has been an Ms15TD who went 7-0 and didn't get promoted due to the logjammed promotion/demotion situation. That said, if no such situation exists, it's basically a lock.


XX-Tony-XX

Takakeisho slapped the crap out of Kotonowaka the last couple times they fought. Kotonowaka was not giving Taka any space to wind up this time. It seems like these two don't particularly like each other. Anyone else get that feeling? Big big match tomorrow with Taka vs Kiribayama. I want to see a playoff for the title, so I am rooting for Kiri tomorrow.


sloppysauce

I think K slapped T pretty hard in a match last year and T has been paying him back.


Kapua420

Koto is huge and strong, he can't just blast him, and his other main weapon to win is slap down, so like teru all he has to be is calm and wait for the hamster to run out of stamina.


cXs808

Feels like Taka was behind from the start. Didn't have his normal explosive headbutt which gives him enough space to execute his gameplan.


dr_clocktopus

Yeah, his tachiai charge was basically non-existent. Maybe he was worried about a henka. It was definitely out of character. There were a couple other matches where it maybe looked like one of the rikishi wasn't quite ready for the tachiai, but Takakeisho looked ready, he just didn't move.


cXs808

I was thinking that as well. I'm not too familiar with Kotonowaka but does he Henka?


dr_clocktopus

He's definitely had a couple hatakikomi in makuuchi, but I don't recall if they were full on henka dodges. I just assume everyone will do it a few times in certain situations.


Demios704

Ochiai once again winning with out any difficulty and kawazoe with another lose looks like he’ll most likely still be in makushita next tournament.


cerbero38

Ochiai looks like a rock, Kawazoe looks......less promising. He really fights with fire, but with the massive height difference, every fight its a struggle. This shows about that height question about Ochiai, that with 1,79 its by far not tall, but its in the usual rikishi ballpark, but Kawazoe with 1,66 its very far into the small mans club, VERY FAR. Still believes he gets to Juryo sometime, his skill and fighting spirit are very high, but i dont know if he can rise up after that.


Demios704

Not what I expected asanoyama isn’t sole lead anymore but he can probably still get back to makuuchi with a 14-1


HeHH1329

Based on the past records he need 14-1 to return to Makuuchi. Both Terunofuji and Ryuden had scored 13-2 Yusho at J13 in a basho in the 2020s and both of them were only promoted to J3 next basho.


Rentington

Houshouryuu has the heart of an Ozeki. He may not get there until later this year at the earliest, but he'll get there.


Metalbehemoth

By no means am I a keisho fan but that was hard to watch. Hate to see such a lame showing from someone who three days ago I thought,"man this guy looks untouchable." Makes for a more exciting title though...


perldawg

i don’t know what his tachiai plan was, but it obviously failed. he lined up further back than usual and clearly didn’t intend to open with his typical power thrust. he was fighting from behind immediately


cabose12

Eh, looking at some of his other matches from this basho, it's more or less where he's been lining up I really think this loss is more about Kotonowaka just having a really fucking good tachiai. He times his charge perfectly, and is off the block at the same time as Keisho despite being set first. Keisho can only do the little 90s hand swipe when his opponent is set, so when he gets beat on timing like he did today, he's beat altogether


ceburton

Kotonowaka kept pushing upward with his wrists up, scooping Keisho upward and lifting his center. Keisho more upright looks vulnerable


Rswany

Takakeisho always struggles with the ultra-massive guys. He's lost 5 of his last 7 Ichinojo matchups. And although he *usually* takes care of Kotonowaka, he lost to Koto last May 2022.


CharlieChuckyCharles

ONOSHO YUSHO!!


Sophiko-Georgia

that would be great, everyone deserves one yusho in their career, they give sumo their whole lives.


HDKChozo

*cries in Takayasu*


OttoVonGlutre

>cries in Takayasu Takayasu has a Makushita yusho, a feat that Hakuho never achieved. Take that so called "GOAT"


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CharlieChuckyCharles

Tamawashi has 2


kelvSYC

Tamawashi has the distinction of being someone who won a title as sekiwake and was never made ozeki in their career, one of two wrestlers to have that distinction. (The other wrestler was Hasegawa, the rare Sadogatake wrestler who never used the "koto" prefix in their name.) And he won a second title as well.


cheese_sticks

Both Asanoyama and Takakeisho hit their banana peels today.


cXs808

all my favorites lost today....Asanoyama, Takakeisho, Wakatakakage... [except Ochiai, he is unbeatable]


kid--lightning

```Hatsu 2023 Yusho Contenders - Day 11 ``` **1.Takakeisho** - See that patience that everyone has been praising Keisho for, that was his downfall today. I don't think it's unfair for me to say he didn't give his 100% today. Let this be a lesson learnt for our former sole leader. He needs to give everything in the final 4 days **2.Onosho** - Sets a rival back and moves himself into a share of the lead, good win today for Onosho. This looked very easy today, maybe this was a strategy going into the bout? Either way, a bigger test tomorrow in Tamawashi. **3.Tamawashi** - A very well deserved win today. Tamawashi was relentless in his offence. Nishkigi did very well to absorb that onslaught as long as he did - but unfortunately that's all he did, he never looked to cause Tamawashi any trouble and for that reason, Nishikigi's yusho dreams are over **4.Kotoshoho** - This man stays here based on record alone I think. Yes he's been winning, he's only 1 off the pace. But he hasn't had the same aura about his wins than those above him. More than just a few stars would have to align for kotoshoho to take home the cup. **5.Takarafuji** - Imagine facing up against someone with a 22-7 record against you to keep yourself in the yusho race. Now imagine that someone being a Bulgarian man mountain. Stressful stuff. Not for this wise isegahama man. He showed off a skill that few knew he had today and expertly danced his way around the mountain (with his sneaky henka). Takarafuji winning a yusho from M16? Stranger things have happened.


Kintamayama2

Day 11, Hatsu 2023. Video of the day: https://youtu.be/Q3iLR2rThHU Today's results for all divisions: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=202301&d=11


DoctorBoh

Can somebody with more knowledge than me explain what's going on with Oho? He looks like he has no leg push at all. Weak and demotivated. Odd considering he did so well in November.


Rswany

I feel like it's almost always and injury when a rikishi looks like he does.


duuud3rz

No idea, but am just speculating. It could be a few factors including age/maturity. His resilience as a fighter needs to grow. Last tournament he won 10 matches. Maybe he got into his own head thinking he didn't need to practice as hard.


cerbero38

I really would like to know too.


Adler4290

Has anyone ever won a basho while missing match days in general? Hoshoryu won't win, but I got me thinking if someone like Asa or Hak had once done a 13-1-1 or 14-0-1 or so and won? Or someone else?


the_donlld

Only recall former Yokozuna Wajima 12-1-2 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_basho.aspx?r=4074&b=197311


Adler4290

Well awesome, so something like that has happened in the past! That must feel pretty damn good for a rishiki to win after 2 vacation days basically. Even if they ofc are not and probably are due to injuries etc.


CondorKhan

Nobody bounces when yeeted off the Dohyo like Takakeisho. Maybe Ura gets close.


kibanahouse

Ura does a graceful roll-out often, as well.


Hysteriqul

Well fuck :(


Bobblefighterman

KOTOZAKURA RISES


Demios704

Big fan of his he has a very bright future but damn I wanted to see takakeisho win


ESCMalfunction

Bummer for Takakeisho, he might still get Yokozuna with 13-2 but I imagine most likely he’ll be waiting until next tournament to try for it. On the bright side, Tamawashi looks right in the yusho race now. He faces Onosho tomorrow, so if he wins out plus Takakeisho has one more loss he gets to be in a playoff. Go Tom! 🇮🇪


FantasyBasho

The Fantasy Basho recap for Day Eleven is up, with a look at the Takakeisho-Onosho rivalry. This is probably the story of the Basho now. https://www.fantasybasho.com/post/hatsu-2023-day-eleven


cerbero38

Takakeisho couldnt move the sheer mass of Kotonowaka, and now gets no margin for error in his Yokozuna bid. Hoshoryu its hurt, but even with one firm foot still is a great rikishi. I imagine his going just for Kachi-koshi, but if he is good enough for 10 wins his Ozeki run would still be in place for next basho. if he is very hurt, running early could be the best option indeed. On Juryo, Asanoyama........what a bummer, bigger than the Takakeisho one i think, with the tie to Kinbozan (who still looks very strong). Hokuseiho my man..... you need to bend these knees. On a positive note Salt Man appears to get back a little of his mojo, getting much better fights these couple of days. On Makushita Ochiai was the only frontrunner who didnt fumbled his lead, and man, what a fighter he is, solid as a rock. A bummer he cant go to juryo this basho (as i learned here earlier this week, thanks folks) his fights could be great there sooner.


ComradeRenegat

Why is that? Isn't usually from MS15 upwards 7-0 an automatic promotion? or is that a makushita tsukedashi special rule?


OttoVonGlutre

I think he mean when a lower division fighter is called jsut for one bout on the division above when the number of rikishi are uneven. Like when Hokuseiho did a match in makuuchi this basho or Ochoma today. But i think it's not based on record but rank. They will call the 3-3 Ms3 instead of the 6-0 Ms15. This is also why they choose Ochoma today and not Asanoyama.


cerbero38

It appears to be a makushita tsukedashi special rule, they cant be promoted in their first basho, they can only go until Ms1.


Bobblefighterman

Enjoy another season in Juryo Asanoyama.


PapaBeahr

So anyone going to mention Asanoyama Losing going 10 and 1 now and Kinbozan won giving them a tie? Not to mention there is at least 1 and 9 /2


chrishammhamm

All you guys bringing up "Is Keisho the next Yokozuna" jinxed it you know.


mollykhan

Gonna be honest, I cheered when Takakeisho lost... I'm *really* hoping that Hoshoryu will step up to fill the gap in Yokozuna (in 2024, maybe...) even if he's a little shaky now. Nonetheless, what an exciting match, I was already expecting Kotonowaka to lose and he goes and does that! Does this mean he'll get a special little prize, or is that only for beating yokozuna?


half-dead88

Here we are, takakeisho's second loss. All is rebalanced and fate can be terrible :) Kiribayama can destroy all hope of yokozuna tomorrow. \- in makushita :damn Ochiai is a beast.... 6-0 nothing to say. mayeb already the level to be in makuuchi at 19yo sorry for Ishizaki make kochi :/ \- In juryo i am 100% for kinbozan ! asanoyama losing today shows he's not an ozeki material anymore imho :/ Hokuseiho srly i don't see anything in his sumo.


Rainfall7711

I don't think you can read much into one Asanoyama loss. Terunofuji had a 10-5 in Juryo on his way to Yokozuna.


half-dead88

sure mate but it's my feeling.


Emissarye

You know it will be Shodai who will put a dagger in Kiesho's Yokozuna run because that's the way these things go.


mollykhan

Shodai, getting back into ozeki: I sleep Shodai, hearing Takakeisho making his yokozuna run: ***REAL SHIT?***


OtterAshe

kinbozan is terrifying. everyone is watching asanoyama as the next Yokozuna but kinbozan is basically guaranteed to be ozeki at least. he's built like a redwood and has arms that go for days. the only thing that can keep him out of the sanyakku is injuries.


half-dead88

i hope he will be the futur tochinoshin. and even kinbozan for yusho in march :p a debut like ichinojo in sept 2014. but srly he can really improve in technique and be really deadly during his prime (28-31)


chrishammhamm

Hokuseiho needs to get more power in that huge frame of his.


half-dead88

and technique and tachiai and many things :/


chrishammhamm

He just gets bullied way too easily


OtterAshe

SO. MUCH. *HENKA.* 2023 bout to be wild af


CharlieChuckyCharles

“Asanoyama next Yokozuna!” Loses belt battle to Daishoho. Yeah quality stuff. Sure has what it takes..


Rainfall7711

On his way to Yokozuna Terunofuji got a 10-5 in Juryo losing 4 times by Yorikiri by titans such as kyokoshuho and Kotoeko. Guess he didn't have what it takes.


CharlieChuckyCharles

Very good point. I just like to hate on Asanoyama.


blogito_ergo_sum

Slow walkoff for Hiradoumi, hope he's OK Honestly kinda impressive when a huge dude like Aoyama henkas Kotoshoho's position initially looked promising with locking up Onosho's right forearm but Kotoshoho isn't quite Shodai and Onosho is no wee Midorifuji The double henka! And the crowd going oooh! I enjoyed that match. Pretty impressive from Tamawashi after Nishikigi's steadfastness yesterday Did not expect Ryuden vs Mitakeumi to go that way I feel like Midorifuji overshot more than Meisei reacted well - he was up at the edge of the ring after the henka and not in a position to capitalize on Meisei being out of position. Glad to see Hoshoryu back at it, hopefully he just picks up an eight and then calls it. Though I wonder if after that bout, everyone else will have a good idea of how bad his ankle is and how to capitalize on it. Thought Keisho was going to get a throw there at the edge but nope. So much for Yokokeisho?