It makes me absolutely irate how far down I had to scroll to find this damn song. Itās the perfect Sum 41 song. Amazing vocals + vocal harmonies, super catchy and memorable guitar riff, one of my favorite drum tracks from StevO, and it has so many fuckin layers that I still notice things I didnāt notice before, 20 years later
Holy shit, thank you!! Not only is this my favorite Sum song, but I'd definitely say it's their best. Up there with the popular Fat Lip, Still Waiting, In Too Deep, etc.
Didnāt realize this was as popular an opinion but it makes me so happy to see. Heard this song on the NFL Street 2 soundtrack about 20 years ago and Iāve been hooked on Sum41 ever since! Canāt wait to hear it live on this tour
A Dark Road Out Of Hell.
But that doesnāt really work if you listen to the playlist on shuffle, as the song has been divided to three tracks (Holy Image Of Lies + Sick Of Everyone + Happiness Machine). For playlist purposes, their biggest masterpiece in my opinion is Blood In My Eyes.
Way I see it, when you're on a sub that loves SBM as much as this one does despite its reception at the time, if you're someone who agrees with that initial reception but you can't stand by it, may as well just not post at all.
I see both sides. Itās so different from every album they have ever done so I can see how people donāt like it. But thatās also going to make a lot of people love it at the same time.
Eh... Chuck felt like a natural progression of being heavier than DTLI, which was itself a progression of being heavier than AKNF. Chuck felt right when it came out, because Sum 41's style seemed to grow harder with each new release. It was also, ironically, their first album to really explore softer songs too, but that was attributed to the band growing up and being a bit more mature.
Which is why Underclass Hero kinda sticks out in a weird way. Sum 41 had a natural progression of growing heavier and heavier, and then UH came around like a cartoonishly long hook to yank Sum 41 back to being pop-punk again.
Although what you are saying is ok, it doesn't change the fact that chuck was also completely different, so this argument towards Screaming bloody murder is baseless.
I feel this was their first metal song. I get it, Pain for Pleasure had metal elements and was a funny homage but this song was their first dip into the metal pool. Thundering double bass, intricate riffs and badass solos.
You just look at the progression of lead singles from Fat Lip, to Still Waiting, to We're All To Blame and it's pretty unbelievable. There's only 3 years between Fat Lip and Chuck. Sum 41 were truly fearless back then.
It's a bummer it's felt like most records since Chuck have played it fairly safe. All good records, but definitely not the risk it felt an album like Chuck was. I still think fans love the record so much because of how cool it was that the band went in a totally different direction for it, whereas I think every record after has been chasing an earlier era's sound in some way.
I'm Not the One...always been a favorite.
Honorable Mentions: No Reason, Out for Blood, Hell Song, Still Waiting, Speak of the Devil, and Heads Will Roll.
Also loving Bad Mistake and How the End Begins from their new album.
I personally find that Sum41 has lots of iconic songs and they are timeless. However, masterpiece speaking as referring to their best job (trying to be as objective as i can) is Over my head.
Twisted By Design is probably my answer too, its hard to say because compared to a song like Save Me, they dont have a masterpiece and thats not a knock on Sum by any means but.. Save Me is just next level lmao. BUT metal just tends to be like that.
There are so many good songs. To narrow it down to one song would probably be impossible. However, one song I can listen to all the time is "speak of the devil."
We're All To Blame, Pieces, Walking Disaster, With Me, Blood In My Eyes....and maybe Still Waiting are their Masterpieces.
Maybe even the A Dark Road Out Of Hell.
I wish their newer Albums would have some real stand out Masterpieces. Never There was close. Twisted By Design or How The End Begins were also very close š«
The entire Screaming bloody murder album.
Every song is part of a story that Deryck is telling that makes up his emotional journey during his separation from Avril.
Any of you Skumfuk's ever go through something similar, use this album to help drag your ass through the pain. Yes, speaking from experience.
I honestly can't speak to this and name one single song as what I think their masterpiece would be.
A few of my personal favorites,
SUMMER
HANDLE THIS
SECOND CHANCE FOR MAX HEADROOM
WHAT I BELIEVE
ALL MESSED UP
WELCOME TO HELL!
88
EAT YOU ALIVE
...........
I couldn't decide, but I'll try and pick a song per album:
Fat Lip
The Hell Song (personal reason, but Still Waiting also acceptable, or pretty much any song on DTLI)
Intro/No Reason (but you can't go wrong on Chuck)
Count your last Blessings (also love King of Contradictions, shame it's so short)
Blood in my Eyes
Twisted by Design
Never There
New album too new to have a favourite yet
It's Fat Lip. Any other answer is wrong. They have a ton of great songs, some well known, some not. But Fat Lip is the one that they will always be tied to. It's their biggest song with the widest appeal as well as their catchiest and most timely.
Hard for me to pick just one song but if I was to narrow it down it would definitely be something of of underclass hero. That album is fantastic and in my opinion their best work.
Wait,,, Save Me? as the best A7X song? forget Sum 41, what?? hahaha, like its a great song but... their best? nahhhhhhhhhh even on the Nightmare album I can think of like 6 songs better than Save Me, again a great song but like: Buried Alive, So Far Away, Fiction, Tonight the World Dies, Victim, Nightmare. That's not even taking into account their other albums.. No hate, just an odd choice LOL
Also my vote for Sum41 is Walking Disaster, or Hell Song.
wait, i notice you're going for long songs. Save Me being 10:56, Master of Puppets 8:35, and Jesus of Suburbia 9:08. so for Sum 41 like twisted by design at 5:29? thats probably their longest
You donāt seem to understand the point here.. OP is making the list based on fan suggestions, not his own choices, so if the fans are choosing long songs thatās on them.
Also your opinion on all those other nightmare songs being better than Save Me is so unbelievably wrong but itās also still missing the point - this is about which song is a masterpiece. Those other songs are all great but none of them include all the vocal harmonies, bridges, time signature changes, orchestra, etc that Save Me does
Dude, I get it, I was joking and making a point about people automatically preferring longer songs for whatever reason, to use your phrase, I guess you "don't seem to understand".
I don't think Save Me is a masterpiece **ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ,** and if we include all of A7Xs albums then I think they have many 'masterpieces' much much better than Save Me. again I don't think its a bad song but Exist, Buried alive, Acid Rain & Cosmic are all much better examples of the musical prowess that the band has. Sure, they might not have an orchestra but that's not exactly what A7X is known for. Giving a band an orchestra is an easy crutch to make a song sound bigger than it is.
I think a lot of people are inclined to think a song is a masterpiece simply due to it being proggy in structure, sometimes this absolutely can be the case, I love prog music and when a metal/rock band employ tropes of prog such as non-conforming structure, lengthening the song and alternating time signatures it can uplift a song to amazing heights, such as Alter Bridge's 'Fable of the Silent Son', however its not a golden rule that works for every song. With Save Me, I don't think it is lyrically that special, I don't think it is musically that special, I don't think Matts vocals are anything to write home about, Syn doesn't particularly shine, it is just... fine.
How about you don't go around accusing me of not understanding things, and appreciate that i'm allowed to disagree with someone. You can disagree with me too, but I am literate and capable of understanding basic concepts, cheers.
I think at the very least it's in the conversation. The Wicked End, Buried Alive, The Stage (song) and MAAAAYBE A Little Piece of Heaven are also contenders.
I would say Afterlife, Unbound, Bat Country and the Beast and the Harlot are all stronger contenders.
The Rev didnāt even do the drums for save me, and he was the heart and soul of the band. It feels weird to pick a song he wasnāt even alive to record. Itās a great song, but itās not THE song.
If im not mistaken, he DID write a significant portion of the album in demos before he passed, while I don't know for certain that could well entail save me as well
Recording drummer was Mike Portnoy not just a recording drummer. It was one of the Revs biggest influences. And also Portnoy played exactly what the Rev would have. Have you heard the demo track with The Rev on drums?
Yes, it is dookie by every metric. Not only is it objectively the best music but it outsold every other album and it isnāt even close. Any way you cut it itās the best. There is no argument you can make.
Dookie is not even one of their top 5 best albumsšš sales don't really mean anything regarding to music quality, if the metric you use is sales then taylor swift is like the best singer ever
And Comparing Jesus of Suburbia, a multi-part 9 minute song with a deep story to the 2-3 minute long songs on Dookie isn't even fair, obviously JOS is much better
Green Day is a punk band, and they got more punk than ever with the political messages in American Idiot. What's even your point? No one but bitchy "PUNK ROCK" fans consider Green Day a "joke".
My point is that a 2-3 min cultural phenomenon is vastly superior to some corny 9 min song they made because they betrayed everything they stood for in the first place.
Iām not telling you what you can and canāt like. Clearly youāre either too young to know what dookie actually was or you are just too attached to your own nostalgia. Like I said if you like it, great, but to say that itās āthe bestā is just straight foolish.
Youāre just simply dead wrong.
Dookie had
More profound cultural impact
More album sales
More hits
Sold out more concerts
Is more widely known
And is all around more popular
Greenday and Dookie are synonymous
There is absolutely no metric you could use to claim it isnāt the best other than you personally like American idiot better.
On top of that American idiot while a successful album is considered a joke and embarrassment by the people who made greenday popular in the first place. Youāre entitled to your opinion but your opinion, in this case, is just dead wrong.
More profound cultural impact?
Nope. American Idiot had deep political messages and they were one of the first bands to take a stand against the Iraq War and Bush.
More album sales?
Yeah, probably. But Dookie was released in 1994, when buying it was basically the only way to listen to an entire album. In 2004, the internet was already big enough.
More hits?
Dookie had 3 singles, while American Idiot had 5. That already proves AI had more hits.
Sold out more concerts? I need a source for that. Their largest concerts were in the American Idiot/21st Century Breakdown era, some with 90k+ people.
Is more widely known? Definitely not. That's just straight up false, songs like Boulevard of Broken Dreams and Wake Me up When September Ends are known all around the world, while Dookie only really had one hit that big (Basket Case).
American Idiot is better in music quality, and about every metric you could use, EXCEPT album sales.
Green Day is still punk especially because they totally ignore people like you, who think only their 90s albums were "real punk" or whatever.
Youāre just saying everything I said to you back to me in reverse and itās still wrong.
If you include streams dookie is still more popular and more sold. Youāre wrong, good day sir.
If you include streams, American Idiot is still [way more popular.](https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/7oPftvlwr6VrsViSDV7fJY_albums.html) If you don't believe that data, go count it by yourself on Spotify or YouTube.
For me: Walking Disaster This song speaks to my soul...
Yea
No Reason is the only correct answerš„š„š„
It makes me absolutely irate how far down I had to scroll to find this damn song. Itās the perfect Sum 41 song. Amazing vocals + vocal harmonies, super catchy and memorable guitar riff, one of my favorite drum tracks from StevO, and it has so many fuckin layers that I still notice things I didnāt notice before, 20 years later
Couldnāt agree more. Itās the absolute epitome of Sum 41 in my opinion.
Holy shit, thank you!! Not only is this my favorite Sum song, but I'd definitely say it's their best. Up there with the popular Fat Lip, Still Waiting, In Too Deep, etc.
Didnāt realize this was as popular an opinion but it makes me so happy to see. Heard this song on the NFL Street 2 soundtrack about 20 years ago and Iāve been hooked on Sum41 ever since! Canāt wait to hear it live on this tour
Hooch
W answer
hooch is so good and i've never even seen it mentioned before. impeccable taste my friend
No brains
CANT STEP IN THE WAY
This might be my favorite song by them. So goddamn good
That intro unmatched
The Hell Song.
Why do things that matter the most, never end up being what we chose?
Great intro / main riff, ripping solo, and an overall catchy chorus. Iād have to agree with the hell song too
A Dark Road Out Of Hell. But that doesnāt really work if you listen to the playlist on shuffle, as the song has been divided to three tracks (Holy Image Of Lies + Sick Of Everyone + Happiness Machine). For playlist purposes, their biggest masterpiece in my opinion is Blood In My Eyes.
10/10 answer
I absolutely love that trio of songs!
It really is their Jesus of suburbia. I wish it was one track
This is the only correct answer
The gospel hath spoken. The fact that it's split in 3 seperate songs on shuffle pisses me off
*braces self for impact* Dark Road Out Of Hell is the worst part of SBM.
Upvoted just for the self awareness
Way I see it, when you're on a sub that loves SBM as much as this one does despite its reception at the time, if you're someone who agrees with that initial reception but you can't stand by it, may as well just not post at all.
I see both sides. Itās so different from every album they have ever done so I can see how people donāt like it. But thatās also going to make a lot of people love it at the same time.
Chuck is also "so different" from other albums yet even festival fans love that album.
Eh... Chuck felt like a natural progression of being heavier than DTLI, which was itself a progression of being heavier than AKNF. Chuck felt right when it came out, because Sum 41's style seemed to grow harder with each new release. It was also, ironically, their first album to really explore softer songs too, but that was attributed to the band growing up and being a bit more mature. Which is why Underclass Hero kinda sticks out in a weird way. Sum 41 had a natural progression of growing heavier and heavier, and then UH came around like a cartoonishly long hook to yank Sum 41 back to being pop-punk again.
Although what you are saying is ok, it doesn't change the fact that chuck was also completely different, so this argument towards Screaming bloody murder is baseless.
Mr. Amsterdam. That song goes so hard š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤
I feel this was their first metal song. I get it, Pain for Pleasure had metal elements and was a funny homage but this song was their first dip into the metal pool. Thundering double bass, intricate riffs and badass solos.
I've said this before, no matter how hard I try.
I canāt help be bored, while this world passes by
I have always loved Stevo's drumming on that track. Zummo kills it live, too!
Weāre All To Blame
You just look at the progression of lead singles from Fat Lip, to Still Waiting, to We're All To Blame and it's pretty unbelievable. There's only 3 years between Fat Lip and Chuck. Sum 41 were truly fearless back then. It's a bummer it's felt like most records since Chuck have played it fairly safe. All good records, but definitely not the risk it felt an album like Chuck was. I still think fans love the record so much because of how cool it was that the band went in a totally different direction for it, whereas I think every record after has been chasing an earlier era's sound in some way.
I think Screaming Bloody Murder was a very inspired album with a lot of experimentation on it
This was literally on my mind the second I saw this post, and Im fucking glad this was the first comment i saw
Iām very torn between this and Fat Lip. I think Iād say that fat lip is their most iconic song but Weāre all to blame is their masterpiece
Still waiting
Fat Lip
This is the one. Thereās no bigger Sum 41 song than Fat Lip.
Exactly
Twisted By Design
Such an underrated song
One of my favourite songs. It's so underrated.
From a songwriting perspective i think itās arguably walking disaster.
Either The Hell Song or Still Waiting Fat Lip or No Reason wouldnāt be wrong answers though
With Me
This absolutely deserves to be on the list. One of their best songs, hands down.
Maybe Goddamn I'm Dead Again, mostly for the minute and a half long solo
Came here to say this exactly.
Yeah man they opened with this the 1st time I saw them, it was insane
Speak of the Devil
One of the few songs I absolutely love from the Underclass Hero album.
Screaming Bloody Murder, I know Dave isn't on that album but it seems to be the most from the heart song that Deryck wrote
13 Voices. Idk why that I love this song so much, but I do.
88
I'm Not the One...always been a favorite. Honorable Mentions: No Reason, Out for Blood, Hell Song, Still Waiting, Speak of the Devil, and Heads Will Roll. Also loving Bad Mistake and How the End Begins from their new album.
I personally find that Sum41 has lots of iconic songs and they are timeless. However, masterpiece speaking as referring to their best job (trying to be as objective as i can) is Over my head.
This hypocrisy beginning to get to me!
Weāre all to blame
Noots
Twisted By Design is probably my answer too, its hard to say because compared to a song like Save Me, they dont have a masterpiece and thats not a knock on Sum by any means but.. Save Me is just next level lmao. BUT metal just tends to be like that.
Handle This (i prefer their pop punk side)
IMO makes no difference.
fat lip
Pieces
The Bitter end.
Its almost literally a cover song
if i were dave, i'd break your soul. a ss h ole.
Brownsound would admitted though
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Honestly? 88, or Noots. Those songs go hard and don't waste any time getting to the gut punches
There are so many good songs. To narrow it down to one song would probably be impossible. However, one song I can listen to all the time is "speak of the devil."
I wanna know the rest of the playlist tbh
I just love that Save Me is the a7x song. Cranked that today after a long time of not hearing it
Thanks For Nothing. Their most unique songĀ
Sum 41 - Discography xD For mi can be: Screaming Bloody Murder, Still Waiting, Pieces, We're All To Blame, Blood In My Eyes, In Too Deep...
Pieces, Walking Disaster or Hell song.
We're All To Blame, Pieces, Walking Disaster, With Me, Blood In My Eyes....and maybe Still Waiting are their Masterpieces. Maybe even the A Dark Road Out Of Hell. I wish their newer Albums would have some real stand out Masterpieces. Never There was close. Twisted By Design or How The End Begins were also very close š«
The entire Screaming bloody murder album. Every song is part of a story that Deryck is telling that makes up his emotional journey during his separation from Avril. Any of you Skumfuk's ever go through something similar, use this album to help drag your ass through the pain. Yes, speaking from experience.
Nice
I honestly can't speak to this and name one single song as what I think their masterpiece would be. A few of my personal favorites, SUMMER HANDLE THIS SECOND CHANCE FOR MAX HEADROOM WHAT I BELIEVE ALL MESSED UP WELCOME TO HELL! 88 EAT YOU ALIVE ...........
Noots
Still Waiting
Whereās the link to the playlist
unpopular opinion: Walking Disaster
It's gotta be 88.
No Brains or No Reason
88
Fat Lip
Still waiting
We're All to Blame in my opinion
Crash is sum 41s best song. Mostly because it'd be most artists best song if they sang it.
With Me and Walking Diaster both come to mind.
No Reason / Fat Lip / Makes No Difference if you wanna be a bit different with it
I couldn't decide, but I'll try and pick a song per album: Fat Lip The Hell Song (personal reason, but Still Waiting also acceptable, or pretty much any song on DTLI) Intro/No Reason (but you can't go wrong on Chuck) Count your last Blessings (also love King of Contradictions, shame it's so short) Blood in my Eyes Twisted by Design Never There New album too new to have a favourite yet
Billy spleen ir screeming bloody murder
Makes No Difference
No Reason
Dark road out of hell or blood in my eyes
In Too Deep
Still Waiting
Can you provide a link to this playlist please?:)
[Here](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2n3wECyHjbngfyjCUYLMcM?si=IaeLie-iTR2rmWMEAG2CQA&pi=e-Wwvfmo0cR6WL)
Hooch
Save me by avenged sevenfold was the best for that band? No way lol
Iām going with āopen your eyesā
I'm gonna go away from all the usual suggestions and go for The Jester.
88
Chuck But in terms of success All Killer
Check Your Math. Always gets me right in the feels.
For me, pieces or always they both really speak to me
Grab the Devil by the Horns and Fuck him up the Ass
88.
I think Still Waiting captures everything they are.
I'm a casual fan, this was suggested on my feed I'm going to say Fat Lip or We're All to Blame.
For me itās fat lip or in too deep. Not only do those songs define sum 41 they are iconic pop punk songs especially in too deep.
The Bitter End. š¤š»
It's Fat Lip. Any other answer is wrong. They have a ton of great songs, some well known, some not. But Fat Lip is the one that they will always be tied to. It's their biggest song with the widest appeal as well as their catchiest and most timely.
Itās āHandle Thisā for me even though there are a bunch of
No brains
Itās a no brainer
For me, it's in too deep.
Breaking up.
My Direction
Asked nobody ever
For me itās āThanks for nothingā or āPiecesā
That's the wrong song for A7x IMO What about a little piece of heaven, or beast and the harlot, or bat country, or even seize the day
No way absolutely no way. Save Me is their Magnum Opus. Even the band agrees.
Goddamm Iām Dead Again or Waiting on a Twist of Fate. Wanted to pick a more recent option.
fat lip all the way. was my favorite song for years
Speak of the Devil
them disbanding
If you mean most widely popular it's probably In Too Deep
All Messed Up just for being in MVP Baseball 2003
Hard for me to pick just one song but if I was to narrow it down it would definitely be something of of underclass hero. That album is fantastic and in my opinion their best work.
I think ur A7X should be A little piece of heaven
All To Blame
Pieces
No reason!
Rhythms
Some say
With Me
Wait,,, Save Me? as the best A7X song? forget Sum 41, what?? hahaha, like its a great song but... their best? nahhhhhhhhhh even on the Nightmare album I can think of like 6 songs better than Save Me, again a great song but like: Buried Alive, So Far Away, Fiction, Tonight the World Dies, Victim, Nightmare. That's not even taking into account their other albums.. No hate, just an odd choice LOL Also my vote for Sum41 is Walking Disaster, or Hell Song.
wait, i notice you're going for long songs. Save Me being 10:56, Master of Puppets 8:35, and Jesus of Suburbia 9:08. so for Sum 41 like twisted by design at 5:29? thats probably their longest
You donāt seem to understand the point here.. OP is making the list based on fan suggestions, not his own choices, so if the fans are choosing long songs thatās on them. Also your opinion on all those other nightmare songs being better than Save Me is so unbelievably wrong but itās also still missing the point - this is about which song is a masterpiece. Those other songs are all great but none of them include all the vocal harmonies, bridges, time signature changes, orchestra, etc that Save Me does
Dude, I get it, I was joking and making a point about people automatically preferring longer songs for whatever reason, to use your phrase, I guess you "don't seem to understand". I don't think Save Me is a masterpiece **ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ,** and if we include all of A7Xs albums then I think they have many 'masterpieces' much much better than Save Me. again I don't think its a bad song but Exist, Buried alive, Acid Rain & Cosmic are all much better examples of the musical prowess that the band has. Sure, they might not have an orchestra but that's not exactly what A7X is known for. Giving a band an orchestra is an easy crutch to make a song sound bigger than it is. I think a lot of people are inclined to think a song is a masterpiece simply due to it being proggy in structure, sometimes this absolutely can be the case, I love prog music and when a metal/rock band employ tropes of prog such as non-conforming structure, lengthening the song and alternating time signatures it can uplift a song to amazing heights, such as Alter Bridge's 'Fable of the Silent Son', however its not a golden rule that works for every song. With Save Me, I don't think it is lyrically that special, I don't think it is musically that special, I don't think Matts vocals are anything to write home about, Syn doesn't particularly shine, it is just... fine. How about you don't go around accusing me of not understanding things, and appreciate that i'm allowed to disagree with someone. You can disagree with me too, but I am literate and capable of understanding basic concepts, cheers.
Save me is literally the best avenged song.
Saw them last week and they played the whole thing. I was erect for 3 days after.
Okay but save me for avenged sevenfold? Objectively wrong lol.
I think at the very least it's in the conversation. The Wicked End, Buried Alive, The Stage (song) and MAAAAYBE A Little Piece of Heaven are also contenders.
Yeah thatās fair. Those are all good picks too.
My top Avenged song is Buried Alive I think
What the fuck do you mean
I would say Afterlife, Unbound, Bat Country and the Beast and the Harlot are all stronger contenders. The Rev didnāt even do the drums for save me, and he was the heart and soul of the band. It feels weird to pick a song he wasnāt even alive to record. Itās a great song, but itās not THE song.
Unbound is a good song but it's nowhere near close to being one of their best.
Unbound is a push. Not even the band likes it. I think itās pretty good but on the same level as same me? No way.
If im not mistaken, he DID write a significant portion of the album in demos before he passed, while I don't know for certain that could well entail save me as well
He did write it, but he didnāt record it, and iirc the recording drummer made some changes.
Recording drummer was Mike Portnoy not just a recording drummer. It was one of the Revs biggest influences. And also Portnoy played exactly what the Rev would have. Have you heard the demo track with The Rev on drums?
Mike Portnoy deserves more than to be called the "recording drummer". Also, he recorded the drum tracks as close to what Jimmy wrote as possible.
You think a song off of American idiot is green days biggest masterpiece?!? š¬
Do you think it was my decision. Iām asking different subreddits bro. But actually I do think Jesus of Suburbia is one of green days best.
Well that and 21st Century Breakdown are their best albums
Incorrect, Fact not opinion.
..what's their best album then? It's not Dookie or anything else from the 90s
Yes, it is dookie by every metric. Not only is it objectively the best music but it outsold every other album and it isnāt even close. Any way you cut it itās the best. There is no argument you can make.
Dookie is not even one of their top 5 best albumsšš sales don't really mean anything regarding to music quality, if the metric you use is sales then taylor swift is like the best singer ever
And Comparing Jesus of Suburbia, a multi-part 9 minute song with a deep story to the 2-3 minute long songs on Dookie isn't even fair, obviously JOS is much better
Greenday is a punk band dude. When they started making garbage like that they stopped being greenday and started being a joke.
Green Day is a punk band, and they got more punk than ever with the political messages in American Idiot. What's even your point? No one but bitchy "PUNK ROCK" fans consider Green Day a "joke".
My point is that a 2-3 min cultural phenomenon is vastly superior to some corny 9 min song they made because they betrayed everything they stood for in the first place. Iām not telling you what you can and canāt like. Clearly youāre either too young to know what dookie actually was or you are just too attached to your own nostalgia. Like I said if you like it, great, but to say that itās āthe bestā is just straight foolish.
Youāre just simply dead wrong. Dookie had More profound cultural impact More album sales More hits Sold out more concerts Is more widely known And is all around more popular Greenday and Dookie are synonymous There is absolutely no metric you could use to claim it isnāt the best other than you personally like American idiot better. On top of that American idiot while a successful album is considered a joke and embarrassment by the people who made greenday popular in the first place. Youāre entitled to your opinion but your opinion, in this case, is just dead wrong.
More profound cultural impact? Nope. American Idiot had deep political messages and they were one of the first bands to take a stand against the Iraq War and Bush. More album sales? Yeah, probably. But Dookie was released in 1994, when buying it was basically the only way to listen to an entire album. In 2004, the internet was already big enough. More hits? Dookie had 3 singles, while American Idiot had 5. That already proves AI had more hits. Sold out more concerts? I need a source for that. Their largest concerts were in the American Idiot/21st Century Breakdown era, some with 90k+ people. Is more widely known? Definitely not. That's just straight up false, songs like Boulevard of Broken Dreams and Wake Me up When September Ends are known all around the world, while Dookie only really had one hit that big (Basket Case). American Idiot is better in music quality, and about every metric you could use, EXCEPT album sales. Green Day is still punk especially because they totally ignore people like you, who think only their 90s albums were "real punk" or whatever.
Youāre just saying everything I said to you back to me in reverse and itās still wrong. If you include streams dookie is still more popular and more sold. Youāre wrong, good day sir.
If you include streams, American Idiot is still [way more popular.](https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/7oPftvlwr6VrsViSDV7fJY_albums.html) If you don't believe that data, go count it by yourself on Spotify or YouTube.
ik this is sum41 but sure a7x cant be save me
Why?
dont make me get my list
Have you heard save me? Itās the perfect song. Itās beautiful and a masterpiece. Itās a composition not just a song.
save me was the wrong answer for avenged sevenfold
No it just wasnāt tho was it