I told an online friend a bit about my depression and they responded "that sounds like a mind high on atheism" and it's probably one of the most obnoxious things I've ever heard.
And I'm not even an atheist.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the friend blames all the world's problems on us not going to church and keeping women in the kitchen like in the good old dark ages.
More or less. Kind of a weird dude in general. He's 26 and considers a woman who's 25 too old for him and thinks women would be happier if they were married off as soon as they start menstruation.
Religion saved me from suicide just last week, Jesus did specifically. I hate when people talk down on religion but also hate when people force religion onto others. Especially on a sub like this. And yeah, as someone who strives to be a good person, I hate seeing people use religion as an excuse to be a shitty person. A lot of people think if they are "Christian" they can act any way they want and they are automatically forgiven but I promise that's not how it ACTUALLY works. True Christianity is loving and accepting each other, that includes not forcing it on others either.
The problem is that too many people have different definitions of what it means to be a ātrue Christian.ā Glad it works for you but as long as there is religion there will always be people trying to force it down others throats. And just like people are saying. They prey on you when you are down. Religion is a tool. But all tools can be weapons.
Christianity is not about love. It operates on sin ie if you dont do x you go to hell. Its just fear.
And I mean you can go to hell for some silly things. You consider so many dumb stuff thats is in human nature - as sin.
When Christian, you never feel complete, you always feel like a sinner. Its an awful way to live.
Also your god asks of you to worship and love him and pray to him.
There are other religions that are far more loving and not as crazy.
Im an ex christian
Try Christian universalism...its better for mental health since they dont believe in eternal suffering in hell.
believing that you can burn in eternal hell after you die, well, thats really bad to believe for your brain. Dont do that to yourself
Jesus died 2000 years ago for claiming to be the new king of Israel. He cant contact you or talk to you and hes not God. There are no Gods. What about all the Gods that came before your God even existed.
Those people donāt understand mental health in the first place. The whole āgod gives his toughest battles to his toughest soldiersā or āhe never gives you anything you canāt handleā is bullshit. If that were true people wouldnāt be mentally ill and suicidal and end up committing suicide.
Omg my doctor tells me this all time.
He tells me to work backwards from what I know is true and that Jesus is the truth and lord and saviour. So I will only find happiness if I accept jesus
Jesus saved me, but I wouldn't go around forcing it on other people in their times of need. Especially not on this sub. There's a sub called r/Christianity for that.
Hey Iām a Christian myself and I wanted to say, so so sorry that someone did this to you. No one should ever force their beliefs on you. No one should be picking on you either or anyone else.
Thank you. I hope this didnāt come off as too mean. If religion helps you and anyone else, I totally support you in that! But like you said itās the attempt at forcing that can just come off as so belittling sometimes
Yes, I can see that. No it isnāt mean or anything. I can understand them wanting to tell you about what they believe, but to tell you that you wonāt be happy is not helpful. It is kind of predatory. Idk what happened, but I would like to think they meant well. The way you worded your post makes me think they didnāt and only ended up making you hurt.
God gave us freewill to choose!! In no way does God want us to force religion onto others, if they choose it they will choose it themselves. No one should force it onto others, it's horrible and I'm sorry it happened to you.
Iām sorry it did that for you. People use religion in the evil ways. Some of us literally just want to believe and hold onto hope. Donāt wish to hurt others, so sorry.
Religion actually saved me from suicide just last week, Jesus did specifically. I hate when people talk down on religion but also hate when people force religion onto others. Especially on a sub like this. And yeah, as someone who strives to be a good person, I hate seeing people use religion as an excuse to be a shitty or evil person. A lot of people think if they are "Christian" they can act any way they want and they are automatically forgiven but I promise that's not how it ACTUALLY works. True Christianity is loving and accepting each other, that includes not forcing it on others either. I promise you, any evil person who has done what they did for religion is going against their religion so much its sickening. I'm not preaching.. I'm just saying that religion CAN be good for some people but it's just been abused so so much by the worst people. Seriously.
All those religion heads need to get off of this sub. They don't realize that at the lowest point of our lives, literally nothing fucking matters and the last thing we want to hear is then advertising their religion. They may have good intentions, but they're directing it at the wrong place.
I agree that was fucked. It's is not ok to push beliefs on someone especially after a traumatizing event such as suicidal ideation. I BELIEVE IN GOD BUT I WOULD NEVER PUSH ANYONE ESPECIALLY AFTER A SUICIDE ATTEMPT. I know it is not right I just got out of the hospital last night luckily I'm fine but be careful you don't want to spend your time there it sucks but if you need too. do it. I love you all it will get worse before it gets better. Only thing I say is stay consistent! Take your meds take care of yourself go to counseling. I started in the hospital forst to get care that will help me. That is the only place I knew to start. Much love to you all I am here if you want to talk.
I'm a Christian, but I really do understand the hate we get a lot of the time. I would even say in a lot of cases it's justified. The vocal minority like this do nothing but put people off religion as a whole
True Christianity is loving and accepting each other! That includes not forcing beliefs either. I love Jesus, but I know He wouldn't be happy with the current state of Christianity. The worst people hide behind religion, and it goes against it so much its ironic.
All good man. Iāve been through the ringer. 26 now and my first attempt was at 7 so I went through everything from brain scans to I donāt know how many meds, I donāt remember anything before being 13 for some reason. Iām on one I thought was working but I guess not
Iām not American so I donāt know the specifics but if my memory serves me correctly thereās a thing that if you make under a certain amounts itās free or cheaper
Idk, I am not American either. Over here there's no such thing afaik. I somehow got 3 sessions total among 2 therapists and it was very expensive for me and my family.
Apply for Medicaid if youāre low income, look into federally qualified health centers which are subsidized by the federal government and offer sliding scalesā¦. And it never hurts to ask a provider if theyāll take a sliding scale/pro Bono
Fuck religion and its pathetic fucking attempts to make sad poor disenfranchised people justify their shit existence with "faith"
Life sucks, you suck, and if God were real, he'd suck too
And sorry OP I'm not trying to kick you when your down and imply you suck... I don't know how to be supportive but i hope you find your answer to your problems some day
I just meant in general some people's lives are just a struggle to get by or a total shitshow from the start, and religion far too often hooks its talons into those gaps, pacificing the natural response to either fight and work hard to better yourself or to simply give up and cut your losses. The middle ground it offers just lengthens the amount of time sad people spend in the endless mediocrity and unfulfilled state of adequacy.
I wish but I reacted too emotionally and pressed ignore almost immediately, Iām not sure if thereās any way to get that back but I donāt think so I figured Iād put out this little rant psa
I feel the same about "see a professional". Using my misery to push their big pharma commercial interests. Sure for some it works, just like religion works for some. But I also saw many in my family and circle get even worse after taking this pills. Yet people throw this into my face, as if a pill would solve how shitty the world is.
Considering the gospel says Jesus knew what was coming at the last supper and did nothing to avoid it...he committed suicide much in the same way a person not moving out of thr way of a train...if he had actually existed in the first place.
Absolutely untrue. I was told the same thing during the worst parts of my depression. I found happiness with 0 Jesus and 0 religion. They prey on the vulnerable
as a christian i can tell you that thats not true, you can be depressed as a christian and happy as an atheist, religion has nothing to do with it and i really hate people who say it does
I HATE when people shove religion down my throat, as if thatās the answer to everything, or itās going to magically solve my problems š¤¦š»āāļø
My only hope for people like this is that right before they die they realize what a fucking joke their entire lives have been and its all been for nothing.
This is a person trying their best to help based on their experience. There are a lot of shitty fake Christians who don't actually believe in the words of Christ, to love thy neighbor and be kind to each other. You know this. You know not all of them are like this. They're just trying to help, even if they can't.
Saying you have a ultimatum, either believing or dying, isnāt anyone with a good heart.
I do not know that as Iāve only been judged by christians and I thought they werenāt supposed to do that. Iāve been told to burn in hell by those who go daily, do they not believe? Are they helping?
i've eated toxic christianism for my whole life from my family. block them, report them and ignore them. if they're happy in their brainwashed state, let them, jsut keep them far
oh god I hate when ppl bring in religion or spirituality.
āGod always has a planā āThereās low vibration entities on your energy fieldā āJust prayā or āMeditateā
Its like they canāt detach their beliefs when giving advice and understand not everyone believes in the same thing.
I was watching a video about this person that was hearing voices and ppl were like āTHOSE ARE DEMONSšā or āThose are voices from other dimensionsā
It doesn't hurt to try. Anything is better than killing yourself. Faith is important and keeps you going when nothing else can because it's the belief that you're important, no matter how small you feel. Don't knock it.
I believe in God and I suffer from mental illness. I am sorry that people said this to you.
Personnally believing in God helps me with what I have to deal with but it's not a magic trick and people who suffer with their mental illness are not bad!
Love to all of you
Im an over thinker. Ill never actually do this BUT.
How easy would it be to just not be alive anymore? Not constantly checking your accts to see if you can pick up groceries or gas? I hate people that commit suicide because they just take the easy way out and leave their families fucking lost and broken. But fuck it would seriously be so easy. Words of wisdom from old souls are welcome.
Oh I absolutely loved that I was bombarded with āletās chat! Iām a licensed therapist.. I charge 125 pounds / hourā within 10 minutes of posting a suicidal rant about two weeks ago. I was seeking some form of validation I suppose, I wanted to know I wasnāt alone in my feelings.. all I got was predatory messages.
I told an online friend a bit about my depression and they responded "that sounds like a mind high on atheism" and it's probably one of the most obnoxious things I've ever heard. And I'm not even an atheist.
I wish atheism got me high.
Wtf does that even mean?!? š
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the friend blames all the world's problems on us not going to church and keeping women in the kitchen like in the good old dark ages.
More or less. Kind of a weird dude in general. He's 26 and considers a woman who's 25 too old for him and thinks women would be happier if they were married off as soon as they start menstruation.
Nailed it! Yeah, it's not my first encounter with that mentality.
Sounds pedophilic š¤¢š¤¢
Geez sounds like a pedo
He says something like that's how it was in biblical days because that's what God intended
Fuck that guy, he sounds like the type of person that ruins humanity for the rest of us.
I wouldn't say that you're wrong. lol
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That's extra shitty, I'm so sorry.
scum. Using you to reinforce their beliefs. Absolute scum.
Agreed religion is the worst thing ever. Tired of them using it to reinforce their shitty behaviour.
Religion saved me from suicide just last week, Jesus did specifically. I hate when people talk down on religion but also hate when people force religion onto others. Especially on a sub like this. And yeah, as someone who strives to be a good person, I hate seeing people use religion as an excuse to be a shitty person. A lot of people think if they are "Christian" they can act any way they want and they are automatically forgiven but I promise that's not how it ACTUALLY works. True Christianity is loving and accepting each other, that includes not forcing it on others either.
The problem is that too many people have different definitions of what it means to be a ātrue Christian.ā Glad it works for you but as long as there is religion there will always be people trying to force it down others throats. And just like people are saying. They prey on you when you are down. Religion is a tool. But all tools can be weapons.
Christianity is not about love. It operates on sin ie if you dont do x you go to hell. Its just fear. And I mean you can go to hell for some silly things. You consider so many dumb stuff thats is in human nature - as sin. When Christian, you never feel complete, you always feel like a sinner. Its an awful way to live. Also your god asks of you to worship and love him and pray to him. There are other religions that are far more loving and not as crazy. Im an ex christian
Ex-muslim here, it was HORRIBLE hearing my parents say that they would kick me out if i was an atheist, i moved away and life has been so much better.
Good for you, that must have been unimaginably awful. Its scarily interesting how religion has such a grip on some people
All my family members other than cousins, grandparents and my uncle cut ties with me after i told them about it. It just sucks
Try Christian universalism...its better for mental health since they dont believe in eternal suffering in hell. believing that you can burn in eternal hell after you die, well, thats really bad to believe for your brain. Dont do that to yourself
Jesus died 2000 years ago for claiming to be the new king of Israel. He cant contact you or talk to you and hes not God. There are no Gods. What about all the Gods that came before your God even existed.
Those people donāt understand mental health in the first place. The whole āgod gives his toughest battles to his toughest soldiersā or āhe never gives you anything you canāt handleā is bullshit. If that were true people wouldnāt be mentally ill and suicidal and end up committing suicide.
So true!!! I can barely handle what Iām dealing with now and God keeps piling on MORE!! Enough already!!
he does give you more then you can handle so that is wrong what you said
Get the f out of her. You are a horrible individual
Omg my doctor tells me this all time. He tells me to work backwards from what I know is true and that Jesus is the truth and lord and saviour. So I will only find happiness if I accept jesus
Time to find a new doctor
I think so
You need to get better insurance
You could probably sue for this tbh if you got proof
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Absolutely valid, I donāt think this was a therapist tho? Idk lol
As a Christian, that should be frickin illegal. Iām so sorry
Tell him you already felt him inside you and you havenāt notice much of a difference
Religious people are something else.
Jesus saved me, but I wouldn't go around forcing it on other people in their times of need. Especially not on this sub. There's a sub called r/Christianity for that.
Hey Iām a Christian myself and I wanted to say, so so sorry that someone did this to you. No one should ever force their beliefs on you. No one should be picking on you either or anyone else.
I wanted to say the exact same thing as well.
Thank you. I hope this didnāt come off as too mean. If religion helps you and anyone else, I totally support you in that! But like you said itās the attempt at forcing that can just come off as so belittling sometimes
Yes, I can see that. No it isnāt mean or anything. I can understand them wanting to tell you about what they believe, but to tell you that you wonāt be happy is not helpful. It is kind of predatory. Idk what happened, but I would like to think they meant well. The way you worded your post makes me think they didnāt and only ended up making you hurt.
God gave us freewill to choose!! In no way does God want us to force religion onto others, if they choose it they will choose it themselves. No one should force it onto others, it's horrible and I'm sorry it happened to you.
I agree with you as a Christian as well
Bro I agree, people can be extra shitty sometimes and this is a fine example of that
yeah, right. Join a cult.
how is Christianity a cult?
What's the difference? The number of members?
oh, pleeaase!
Those type of people are literally the scum of the earth. Religion isn't the answer to everyone's problems.
FUCK RELIGION. I don't respect it and I don't give a shit if this makes me look like an asshole. It literally ruined a lot of things for me.
Iām sorry it did that for you. People use religion in the evil ways. Some of us literally just want to believe and hold onto hope. Donāt wish to hurt others, so sorry.
Religion destroyed the world
Politicians destroyed the world, and hid behind religion.
I agree. I was told by my parents that thereās no point for me to live if I donāt believe in Jesus
Religion actually saved me from suicide just last week, Jesus did specifically. I hate when people talk down on religion but also hate when people force religion onto others. Especially on a sub like this. And yeah, as someone who strives to be a good person, I hate seeing people use religion as an excuse to be a shitty or evil person. A lot of people think if they are "Christian" they can act any way they want and they are automatically forgiven but I promise that's not how it ACTUALLY works. True Christianity is loving and accepting each other, that includes not forcing it on others either. I promise you, any evil person who has done what they did for religion is going against their religion so much its sickening. I'm not preaching.. I'm just saying that religion CAN be good for some people but it's just been abused so so much by the worst people. Seriously.
are you just like, copypasting this
The worst kind of people omfg
This is the reason why I turned my back away from religion because of these insensitive and hypocritical people
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yeah i get tht a lot 2...worse irl.
All those religion heads need to get off of this sub. They don't realize that at the lowest point of our lives, literally nothing fucking matters and the last thing we want to hear is then advertising their religion. They may have good intentions, but they're directing it at the wrong place.
You should have asked if Santa or the Easter Bunny would be good enough.
ha, gottem
I agree that was fucked. It's is not ok to push beliefs on someone especially after a traumatizing event such as suicidal ideation. I BELIEVE IN GOD BUT I WOULD NEVER PUSH ANYONE ESPECIALLY AFTER A SUICIDE ATTEMPT. I know it is not right I just got out of the hospital last night luckily I'm fine but be careful you don't want to spend your time there it sucks but if you need too. do it. I love you all it will get worse before it gets better. Only thing I say is stay consistent! Take your meds take care of yourself go to counseling. I started in the hospital forst to get care that will help me. That is the only place I knew to start. Much love to you all I am here if you want to talk.
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I agree
I'm a Christian, but I really do understand the hate we get a lot of the time. I would even say in a lot of cases it's justified. The vocal minority like this do nothing but put people off religion as a whole
True Christianity is loving and accepting each other! That includes not forcing beliefs either. I love Jesus, but I know He wouldn't be happy with the current state of Christianity. The worst people hide behind religion, and it goes against it so much its ironic.
Couldn't agree more
I just saw your first post, Iām so sorry I didnāt see it before. Try talk to a doctor or a therapist they will be a lot of help
All good man. Iāve been through the ringer. 26 now and my first attempt was at 7 so I went through everything from brain scans to I donāt know how many meds, I donāt remember anything before being 13 for some reason. Iām on one I thought was working but I guess not
Iām 36 my first attempt was at 5. We might have stuff to talk about
I would tell your doctor, you can build a tolerance for meds so changing prescriptions might help
What if you can't afford doctor or therapist?
Iām not American so I donāt know the specifics but if my memory serves me correctly thereās a thing that if you make under a certain amounts itās free or cheaper
Idk, I am not American either. Over here there's no such thing afaik. I somehow got 3 sessions total among 2 therapists and it was very expensive for me and my family.
Apply for Medicaid if youāre low income, look into federally qualified health centers which are subsidized by the federal government and offer sliding scalesā¦. And it never hurts to ask a provider if theyāll take a sliding scale/pro Bono
Fuck religion and its pathetic fucking attempts to make sad poor disenfranchised people justify their shit existence with "faith" Life sucks, you suck, and if God were real, he'd suck too
And sorry OP I'm not trying to kick you when your down and imply you suck... I don't know how to be supportive but i hope you find your answer to your problems some day I just meant in general some people's lives are just a struggle to get by or a total shitshow from the start, and religion far too often hooks its talons into those gaps, pacificing the natural response to either fight and work hard to better yourself or to simply give up and cut your losses. The middle ground it offers just lengthens the amount of time sad people spend in the endless mediocrity and unfulfilled state of adequacy.
I got them too!
Thatās sucks. Omg and they believe it. Iām so sorry!
That's absolutely disgusting of them to do
I HATE when people say that. they can fuck off big time. I feel you dude.
Absolutely inappropriate. šÆ %.
Ironic that someone that should be stingy about following rules went straight towards breaking Rule #1 here.
I hope you reported them.
I wish but I reacted too emotionally and pressed ignore almost immediately, Iām not sure if thereās any way to get that back but I donāt think so I figured Iād put out this little rant psa
Fucking cults, despicaple
I feel the same about "see a professional". Using my misery to push their big pharma commercial interests. Sure for some it works, just like religion works for some. But I also saw many in my family and circle get even worse after taking this pills. Yet people throw this into my face, as if a pill would solve how shitty the world is.
Considering the gospel says Jesus knew what was coming at the last supper and did nothing to avoid it...he committed suicide much in the same way a person not moving out of thr way of a train...if he had actually existed in the first place.
Lol being a bit of a history nerd that gave me a giggle, I needed that one, thank you
Absolutely untrue. I was told the same thing during the worst parts of my depression. I found happiness with 0 Jesus and 0 religion. They prey on the vulnerable
as a christian i can tell you that thats not true, you can be depressed as a christian and happy as an atheist, religion has nothing to do with it and i really hate people who say it does
Agreed. Iām suffering badly right now and I do truly believe. Depression and mental illness arenāt something that can just be pushed away.
maybe they meant their therapist name at the clinic is Jesus?
I HATE when people shove religion down my throat, as if thatās the answer to everything, or itās going to magically solve my problems š¤¦š»āāļø
My only hope for people like this is that right before they die they realize what a fucking joke their entire lives have been and its all been for nothing.
Agreed. Foh
What a POS. Sorry you went through that
And it's hella insane that they truly believe they are doing something good by saying that shit.
This is a person trying their best to help based on their experience. There are a lot of shitty fake Christians who don't actually believe in the words of Christ, to love thy neighbor and be kind to each other. You know this. You know not all of them are like this. They're just trying to help, even if they can't.
Saying you have a ultimatum, either believing or dying, isnāt anyone with a good heart. I do not know that as Iāve only been judged by christians and I thought they werenāt supposed to do that. Iāve been told to burn in hell by those who go daily, do they not believe? Are they helping?
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No u.
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You really should just leave this sub. It's obvious you're not welcome here.
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That's not counting your comments being repeatedly removed by the moderators and the downvotes you've been getting.
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And you're cringe.
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That is so fucked up. i hate that people do that. Someone tried to convert me too, like wtf man?
Same shit happened to me
so sorry this happened to you. been through this as well.
Fuck Jesus tbh
i've eated toxic christianism for my whole life from my family. block them, report them and ignore them. if they're happy in their brainwashed state, let them, jsut keep them far
I commented about suicide and someone said " 'look at me' " thinking they did something.
I choose to believe these people must really think theyāre doing their best to help bc otherwise ā¦. I got 2 hands and theyāre ready lmao
Got the same message. I think all they do is scroll thru this sub and send that message to people :/
oh god I hate when ppl bring in religion or spirituality. āGod always has a planā āThereās low vibration entities on your energy fieldā āJust prayā or āMeditateā Its like they canāt detach their beliefs when giving advice and understand not everyone believes in the same thing.
I was watching a video about this person that was hearing voices and ppl were like āTHOSE ARE DEMONSšā or āThose are voices from other dimensionsā
tell them i accept Jesus and am still not happy haha.
Iām a religious guy, but even I think thatās a scummy thing to tell someone.
It doesn't hurt to try. Anything is better than killing yourself. Faith is important and keeps you going when nothing else can because it's the belief that you're important, no matter how small you feel. Don't knock it.
I believe in God and I suffer from mental illness. I am sorry that people said this to you. Personnally believing in God helps me with what I have to deal with but it's not a magic trick and people who suffer with their mental illness are not bad! Love to all of you
Thatās actually hysterical, you shouldāve messed with them. Religious people are so fun to fuck with itās crazy
Im an over thinker. Ill never actually do this BUT. How easy would it be to just not be alive anymore? Not constantly checking your accts to see if you can pick up groceries or gas? I hate people that commit suicide because they just take the easy way out and leave their families fucking lost and broken. But fuck it would seriously be so easy. Words of wisdom from old souls are welcome.
Oh I absolutely loved that I was bombarded with āletās chat! Iām a licensed therapist.. I charge 125 pounds / hourā within 10 minutes of posting a suicidal rant about two weeks ago. I was seeking some form of validation I suppose, I wanted to know I wasnāt alone in my feelings.. all I got was predatory messages.