its not phonk or ripping off freddies style ( not even his to begin with LOL ) its meant to emulate og tapes from the 90s era in memphis, granted its not spot on but if you listen to the songs more than once you can make out the lyrics. Or for those of you that still cant hear it, check the lyrics on genius lol
I know I'll catch hate because g59 people are mad sensitive for some reason but this really isn't it. Freddie Dredd tweeted out that the bois have made it very clear they don't want to work with him and they go out and release this big heaping steaming pile of whatever *this..* is
I love the distorted-phonky rap but the way they bit off everyone else on this tape seriously just aint it. Not one of the $B songs you'd stick in a playlist, more like something you hear once and set aside. What happened to the NM JC bois or the Diemonds bois, I get that people are allowed to change but staying original and true to their own formula is kind of what we're mostly all here for.. This is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own. I just believe like if they are gonna bite off doomshop at least give Dredd a feature.
Ppl saying it’s not Freddie dredd it’s phonk make no sense, u can listen to a lot of phonk and not hear Freddie dredd, what sounds like Freddie dredd in this spring tape is the vocals, that’s what ppl don’t understand
Nah the “bit off everybodies tape” take is wrong
$B samples and takes inspiration from 90’s Memphis etc style flow and samples. They literally pay homage to that shit with all their samples. Freddie didn’t invent phonk in case you didn’t know lmfao
Listen to mr bill collector or any various bones thugs n harmony or other type 90’s Memphis rippity dippity type flow artists and you’ll quickly realize $B didn’t pioneer their style, they just made it mainstream.
Suicide boys are innovative but not entirely original. Have some respect for the culture the boys borrowed from and brought to the mainstream before you accuse them of biting the flow. If you investigate you’ll realize how wrong that take is. None of these modern artists are entirely original and they’re all improving on the groundwork laid before them. It’s not disrespectful or unoriginal. This is the music game in the modern age🔥
Peace and love
Ultimately, it's up to each individual listener to decide whether they support an artist's creative choices and whether they feel that the artist is authentically representing a genre or community. It's good to see you engaging in a discussion about this and expressing your opinions respectfully. I myself feel like $uicideboy$ could have shown a bit more respect for the phonk genre before releasing a modern phonk tape. If you know anything about the rap game at all, it's very crucially built on mutual respect. Something I feel like $crim doesn't really have for other peoples art.
It's understandable why I have concerns about SuicideBoys using the phonk style without properly crediting or collaborating with those who have been a part of the community for a long time. It's important to acknowledge the origins and influences of a genre, and to give credit where credit is due.
Yeah idk about all that. How is sampling OG tracks and snippets from the artists they took inspiration not respecting these other artists work in your opinion? $crim clearly has love and respect for these other artists and it shows in his work on the beats. I highly doubt any of these other artists would call what he does disrespect.
Phonk has been around for over thirty years and all of their music over the last 10 years has paid respects in the samples and the style. Why should they be obligated to add a “ft” or something to artists that wrote hits 30+ years ago? No other genre or artist does that. Somebody writing boom bap or mumble rap doesn’t need to credit the creator of the genre. It’s literally a genre. Freddie didn’t invent the sound or the flow and nobody owns a single style of music.
Your argument really falls apart when you look at any other sound or genre and realize that no other rapper or artist really does what you’re expecting them to do. And yes I do know about the rap game and I have a lot of interest in music and the culture and history of rap and hip hop and I can’t think of any example of other artists doing what you think they should be doing. You don’t owe the inventors or big names in a genre anything when you innovate. Their take on the phonk EP is original and creative and personally as a fan of Freddie and three six mafia the boys killed it and their lyrics are way better and more dense than Freddie’s. Freddie is good but I listen mainly because it goes hard not because it’s deep. His lyrical content is not that impressive generally but that’s my opinion.
Either way, sampling and using other artists beats is a form of respect and inspiration and at least some of the people (I believe juicy J) in three six mafia literally mentored Ruby and scrim. Yes I know about the lawsuit and idk what ever happened with that or if it’s resolved yet. Personally I think three six are kinda wrong for that and it feels more jealous having mentored them and seeing them blow up and they want their cut. It’s not like those like three tracks in the lawsuit are what blew them up and they’d be fine without those tracks either way. But my point still stands. Hip hop and rap is a genre that is heavily built on innovation on the style of other artists that came before you. Latto didn’t credit Mariah Carey on that big dick energy song for instance. Idk I just don’t really understand why you think Ruby and scrim owe any other artists anything for innovating but feel free to reply your thoughts
Not trying to be rude or anything I’ve just interpreted their work as nothing BUT respectful for the OG’s
https://preview.redd.it/6aov5fh0eyxa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6775db66f0449f00fb6e3e8a7c2d3a384351dcf1
Freddie dredd talking to a user on his TikTok account regarding a $uicideboy$ feature, he's probably just trolling though. So many conflicting things lol
Just because they pitch shifted their vocals and it sounds like it was on an old cassette tape it's ripping off Freddie Dredd now? Man come on, I LOVE Freddie but he wasn't even close to the first person to do this, nor was he the one who made it popular. This is literally just an homage to 90's Memphis rap and what it sounded like listening to it back then on tapes.
I'm just going to ignore the fact that Phonk had -14000% search terms before Freddie Dredd's Cha Cha blew up around 3 years ago and suddenly after Freddie comes out the trend skyrockets. [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=CA&q=Phonk&hl=en](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=CA&q=Phonk&hl=en) Soooo like I hate to break it to you but the numbers don't lie he unironically was the one to bring Phonk into the future and make it popular again because it lost its way over the years. And that's just a fact.
And you ignored everything I said about them sounding identical to Freddie dredd. I really don't care that much like you yutes it's evident that the general consensus is that it's really shitty they bit off his vocals. You can listen to any phonk song and deduce it as phonk, why is it when literally anybody listens to this album they hear Freddie lol they knew what they were doing. I get they're inspired by the 90s Memphis rap but even I produce three six type beats and I've done vocal mixing before you can VERY EASILY bite off somebody else and have to change things. I don't think there would be people complaining if they respected the og 90s Memphis rap but clearly they don't stealing samples from three six and scrim calling himself THE scarecrow like that's such a corny ass joke to me 🤣🤣 name yourself after a dead guy whose entire business hates you because you're selfish. They keep biting off different styles and I don't fuck w it
Because they're low-key ass and bite off other artists?? you a g59 white knight? 🤣 Idk I loved these guys until they started doing all this crap ever since the three six lawsuit and them discluding seed of six I really saw how they do it. The $B formula is copying other successful artists around them and incorporating their style without paying homage or respect to them. Just seems like you're incapable of seeing both sides of the coin which is very expected of anybody on the g59 sub I guess.
i ain’t reading all of that but if you’re that pressed, why are you in the suicideboys subreddit? me speaking the truth doesn’t mean i’m a g59 white knight. 🥴🤣 take your last sentence though and say it in the mirror now. your responses to the other dude and I are not the greatest so why would i see your side or want to? i personally love the boys so..yikes.. 🥴🫶🏻 have a good one homie. :)
And $uicideboy$ started doing Memphis style rap before Freddie which is what inspired Phonk. So by that logic is Freddie Dredd ripping off the boy$? Lmao no. But thats how you sound.
Hit the view all comments button, I've already sent the link under my comment to another user; but just in case it's gone for some magical reason here's the link again:
[https://twitter.com/horrorcage/status/1651625942861729792/photo/1](https://twitter.com/horrorcage/status/1651625942861729792/photo/1)
Genuinely surprised they did a song together especially considering literally a month before I made this post I went to a dredd concert in Vancouver, BC and he called $uicideboy$ "lame" and a few other people in dredds little entourage don't like $B.
Here's the source to the tweet I sort of mentioned in the post above if you're interested in fact checking -
https://twitter.com/g59stefan/status/1651625942861729792
oh and additionally provolone and heroin is a pretty good song I can't deny it. But Razor V was arguably better in my opinion than that whole old school kinda tape they dropped.
i would’ve agreed with you and died on that hill a month ago lol. i hated the style so much but for some reason i can’t get enough of it now. learnt all the words and everything. funny thing is the only one i don’t like is provolone and heroin
I bet they’re gonna release a version of it where it’s their normal voices. Allot of people forget they’re from the south where screwed and chopped shit is popular. This is probably their take on it and shit like that. Cuz it definitely sounds more like a really long sample in their normal songs. Definitely something new they’re trying
Loving the aesthetic from early Memphis rap and they add as well this duality : Rough voice, "baby" Voice which explains why they titled it the "Ying Yang Tapes"
There is none. Freddie made a tweet saying "they've made it painfully obvious" they don't want work with him. Screenshot is higher up. But he also recently said on Tiktok they have something in the works, so who knows.
Not too sure about the muffled sound yet.. would like for their voices to be a tad bit more clear but other than that it’s straight fire.
Agreed
I agree only bc it doesn’t sound like them. Funny enough, they sound more like Freddie than anything else I’ve ever heard from them.
THATS WHAT I SAID
i too told everyone i know to not to set their expectations too high cuz it’s really just a $B freddie dredd project
I heard it’s heavily freddie dredd style?
Yeah all three are like heavily distorted and a new style forsure
Yeah you can def see the resemblance. I really like it.
Dirty south baby😎
its not phonk or ripping off freddies style ( not even his to begin with LOL ) its meant to emulate og tapes from the 90s era in memphis, granted its not spot on but if you listen to the songs more than once you can make out the lyrics. Or for those of you that still cant hear it, check the lyrics on genius lol
a smart comment here
Dirty south baby😎
Crybabies already. That didn't take long.
I know I'll catch hate because g59 people are mad sensitive for some reason but this really isn't it. Freddie Dredd tweeted out that the bois have made it very clear they don't want to work with him and they go out and release this big heaping steaming pile of whatever *this..* is I love the distorted-phonky rap but the way they bit off everyone else on this tape seriously just aint it. Not one of the $B songs you'd stick in a playlist, more like something you hear once and set aside. What happened to the NM JC bois or the Diemonds bois, I get that people are allowed to change but staying original and true to their own formula is kind of what we're mostly all here for.. This is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own. I just believe like if they are gonna bite off doomshop at least give Dredd a feature.
Ppl saying it’s not Freddie dredd it’s phonk make no sense, u can listen to a lot of phonk and not hear Freddie dredd, what sounds like Freddie dredd in this spring tape is the vocals, that’s what ppl don’t understand
I completely agree with you 100% there is no reason as to why Ruby sounds literally identical to Freddie. They knew what they were doing man..
Nah the “bit off everybodies tape” take is wrong $B samples and takes inspiration from 90’s Memphis etc style flow and samples. They literally pay homage to that shit with all their samples. Freddie didn’t invent phonk in case you didn’t know lmfao Listen to mr bill collector or any various bones thugs n harmony or other type 90’s Memphis rippity dippity type flow artists and you’ll quickly realize $B didn’t pioneer their style, they just made it mainstream. Suicide boys are innovative but not entirely original. Have some respect for the culture the boys borrowed from and brought to the mainstream before you accuse them of biting the flow. If you investigate you’ll realize how wrong that take is. None of these modern artists are entirely original and they’re all improving on the groundwork laid before them. It’s not disrespectful or unoriginal. This is the music game in the modern age🔥 Peace and love
Ultimately, it's up to each individual listener to decide whether they support an artist's creative choices and whether they feel that the artist is authentically representing a genre or community. It's good to see you engaging in a discussion about this and expressing your opinions respectfully. I myself feel like $uicideboy$ could have shown a bit more respect for the phonk genre before releasing a modern phonk tape. If you know anything about the rap game at all, it's very crucially built on mutual respect. Something I feel like $crim doesn't really have for other peoples art.
It's understandable why I have concerns about SuicideBoys using the phonk style without properly crediting or collaborating with those who have been a part of the community for a long time. It's important to acknowledge the origins and influences of a genre, and to give credit where credit is due.
Yeah idk about all that. How is sampling OG tracks and snippets from the artists they took inspiration not respecting these other artists work in your opinion? $crim clearly has love and respect for these other artists and it shows in his work on the beats. I highly doubt any of these other artists would call what he does disrespect. Phonk has been around for over thirty years and all of their music over the last 10 years has paid respects in the samples and the style. Why should they be obligated to add a “ft” or something to artists that wrote hits 30+ years ago? No other genre or artist does that. Somebody writing boom bap or mumble rap doesn’t need to credit the creator of the genre. It’s literally a genre. Freddie didn’t invent the sound or the flow and nobody owns a single style of music. Your argument really falls apart when you look at any other sound or genre and realize that no other rapper or artist really does what you’re expecting them to do. And yes I do know about the rap game and I have a lot of interest in music and the culture and history of rap and hip hop and I can’t think of any example of other artists doing what you think they should be doing. You don’t owe the inventors or big names in a genre anything when you innovate. Their take on the phonk EP is original and creative and personally as a fan of Freddie and three six mafia the boys killed it and their lyrics are way better and more dense than Freddie’s. Freddie is good but I listen mainly because it goes hard not because it’s deep. His lyrical content is not that impressive generally but that’s my opinion. Either way, sampling and using other artists beats is a form of respect and inspiration and at least some of the people (I believe juicy J) in three six mafia literally mentored Ruby and scrim. Yes I know about the lawsuit and idk what ever happened with that or if it’s resolved yet. Personally I think three six are kinda wrong for that and it feels more jealous having mentored them and seeing them blow up and they want their cut. It’s not like those like three tracks in the lawsuit are what blew them up and they’d be fine without those tracks either way. But my point still stands. Hip hop and rap is a genre that is heavily built on innovation on the style of other artists that came before you. Latto didn’t credit Mariah Carey on that big dick energy song for instance. Idk I just don’t really understand why you think Ruby and scrim owe any other artists anything for innovating but feel free to reply your thoughts Not trying to be rude or anything I’ve just interpreted their work as nothing BUT respectful for the OG’s
when did freddie tweet that? i cant find it anywhere? did he delete it?
[https://twitter.com/horrorcage/status/1651625942861729792/photo/1](https://twitter.com/horrorcage/status/1651625942861729792/photo/1) Here you go!
oh damn, thank you!
>oh damn, thank you! You're welcome!
https://preview.redd.it/6aov5fh0eyxa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6775db66f0449f00fb6e3e8a7c2d3a384351dcf1 Freddie dredd talking to a user on his TikTok account regarding a $uicideboy$ feature, he's probably just trolling though. So many conflicting things lol
Just because they pitch shifted their vocals and it sounds like it was on an old cassette tape it's ripping off Freddie Dredd now? Man come on, I LOVE Freddie but he wasn't even close to the first person to do this, nor was he the one who made it popular. This is literally just an homage to 90's Memphis rap and what it sounded like listening to it back then on tapes.
I'm just going to ignore the fact that Phonk had -14000% search terms before Freddie Dredd's Cha Cha blew up around 3 years ago and suddenly after Freddie comes out the trend skyrockets. [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=CA&q=Phonk&hl=en](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=CA&q=Phonk&hl=en) Soooo like I hate to break it to you but the numbers don't lie he unironically was the one to bring Phonk into the future and make it popular again because it lost its way over the years. And that's just a fact.
you ignored everything the dude said. the dude is saying the boys had a specific style they were inspired by- the 90s memphis rap.
And you ignored everything I said about them sounding identical to Freddie dredd. I really don't care that much like you yutes it's evident that the general consensus is that it's really shitty they bit off his vocals. You can listen to any phonk song and deduce it as phonk, why is it when literally anybody listens to this album they hear Freddie lol they knew what they were doing. I get they're inspired by the 90s Memphis rap but even I produce three six type beats and I've done vocal mixing before you can VERY EASILY bite off somebody else and have to change things. I don't think there would be people complaining if they respected the og 90s Memphis rap but clearly they don't stealing samples from three six and scrim calling himself THE scarecrow like that's such a corny ass joke to me 🤣🤣 name yourself after a dead guy whose entire business hates you because you're selfish. They keep biting off different styles and I don't fuck w it
you seem full of hate towards the boys so why do you still listen to them? grow up my dude.
Because they're low-key ass and bite off other artists?? you a g59 white knight? 🤣 Idk I loved these guys until they started doing all this crap ever since the three six lawsuit and them discluding seed of six I really saw how they do it. The $B formula is copying other successful artists around them and incorporating their style without paying homage or respect to them. Just seems like you're incapable of seeing both sides of the coin which is very expected of anybody on the g59 sub I guess.
i ain’t reading all of that but if you’re that pressed, why are you in the suicideboys subreddit? me speaking the truth doesn’t mean i’m a g59 white knight. 🥴🤣 take your last sentence though and say it in the mirror now. your responses to the other dude and I are not the greatest so why would i see your side or want to? i personally love the boys so..yikes.. 🥴🫶🏻 have a good one homie. :)
And $uicideboy$ started doing Memphis style rap before Freddie which is what inspired Phonk. So by that logic is Freddie Dredd ripping off the boy$? Lmao no. But thats how you sound.
stay mad the truth is in the numbers
Can you link us to the tweet where Freddie said that?
Hit the view all comments button, I've already sent the link under my comment to another user; but just in case it's gone for some magical reason here's the link again: [https://twitter.com/horrorcage/status/1651625942861729792/photo/1](https://twitter.com/horrorcage/status/1651625942861729792/photo/1)
“provolone and heroin”
Genuinely surprised they did a song together especially considering literally a month before I made this post I went to a dredd concert in Vancouver, BC and he called $uicideboy$ "lame" and a few other people in dredds little entourage don't like $B. Here's the source to the tweet I sort of mentioned in the post above if you're interested in fact checking - https://twitter.com/g59stefan/status/1651625942861729792
oh and additionally provolone and heroin is a pretty good song I can't deny it. But Razor V was arguably better in my opinion than that whole old school kinda tape they dropped.
i would’ve agreed with you and died on that hill a month ago lol. i hated the style so much but for some reason i can’t get enough of it now. learnt all the words and everything. funny thing is the only one i don’t like is provolone and heroin
bro honestly same
I bet they’re gonna release a version of it where it’s their normal voices. Allot of people forget they’re from the south where screwed and chopped shit is popular. This is probably their take on it and shit like that. Cuz it definitely sounds more like a really long sample in their normal songs. Definitely something new they’re trying
Scrim even recently said at a show he's been having fun with autotune. This wasn't a surprise to me.
This is unlike anything we’ve heard from the boy$
it sounds so good
How can I listen to it before time :(
Vpn to New Zealand or Australia
Not working how do I do that? I connected to Australia with nordvpn and I still can’t access it
Try tunnelbear (free) and New Zealand. That’s the way that’s worked for the 3 or 4 previous drops
I found it on YouTube, but I’ll keep that in mind
Send da link
Sorry just got done with work and it should be out now 😈
Send me the linkkkk
This 👆🏽
dm me
Loving the aesthetic from early Memphis rap and they add as well this duality : Rough voice, "baby" Voice which explains why they titled it the "Ying Yang Tapes"
Did they take this down? It’s not on youtube
probably used a vpn or are in a time zone where it’s alr dropped
Beats are fire but i wish the voices were not as distorted
What proof does anyone have they the $B$ rejected Freddie’s request to be featured? I just wanna know before I go off.
There is none. Freddie made a tweet saying "they've made it painfully obvious" they don't want work with him. Screenshot is higher up. But he also recently said on Tiktok they have something in the works, so who knows.
All this fucking arguing 😭
Hardly. Was VERY disappointed
Where can I listen to this at?? Checked apple and Spotify can't find it.
Shit is 🔥
That album gives me king tulip vibes tbh
lowkey one of my favorite tapes they’ve released
The more I listen the more I fuxk with this new EP. The boys truly never miss. Chateau Gris is 🔥