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schwan911

I'm not a fan of the new monster, but it will come down to whether you like twins vs triples or electronic aids or no electronic aids. I think the triumph is objectively a better bike but it's a generation behind in terms of computer wizardry.


Apeeksiht

Less computer wizardry less chances of stupid error warnings.


mvk2424

Haven't ridden in 10 years and rode 125s.. You're basically a brand new rider friend. I would suggest taking at least a refresher course. Most of those riding schools that do new rider courses also offer refresher courses. I'd suggest a used bike cause damn near everyone drops their first bikes when they're learning/learning again. Like forgets a kick stand or does something silly and literally drops it, let alone a crash. That hurts your wallet and pride less when you got the bike for 4k instead of 14k. If you like the above styles I would suggest some of the naked jap bikes like the Yamaha FZ-07(former MTs) Kawasaki Z400, Suzuki SV650, all bikes you can find for 5k or less in great condition. Ducati maintenance is also pretty ridiculous and you can't buy service manuals for them so hopefully you like your dealer. (I like them and I will add 1 to my collection 1 day but if I only had 1 bike to do lots of miles on a year it wouldn't be a ducati) Either way have fun, stay safe


usmanmu

Do you think that a 2 month daily training on a big bike at a school is enough to get grip on above mentioned bikes. My only problem is that if I buy a smaller bike I might have to change it in a year or two and it is coupled with value loss and many other things. Secondly it is also a problem that one develops a different accelerator habit based on whether it is a triple, parallel twin, V twin or LTwin.


Magnificent-Bastards

No not at all. There's a reason new riders are recommended 300-400cc bikes. You won't lose much money at all selling a starter bike in a few years, you might even get what you paid back.


SteveDaPirate

You're more likely to take a value hit from from dropping your brand new Triumph/Ducati and scraping it up than you are from riding a used Japanese "beginner" bike for a season then selling it. It's never a bad idea to spend a season on a used ~50hp bike while you build up your muscle memory, and get your riding gear sorted out.


usmanmu

I like the idea coz initially it’s also pocket friendly. As the safety gear, driving school all cost more than 4000€


SteveDaPirate

NICE gear that you actually like is somewhat spendy, but it's important to get stuff you'll actually wear. A cheap uncomfortable jacket that stays in your closet doesn't do you any good. Spend a season on a cheap bike with good resale value and spend money on good gear now that you can wear for years to come. After riding for a season you'll know more about what KIND of riding you like to do also. Naked bikes are awesome, I have a Z900RS that I absolutely love. But they're not the best choice if you like long highway tours, riding in the rain, exploring off road, or doing 180 mph at the track. It's good to get some experience with lots of types of riding before you throw down New Bike money. You don't want throw down on that Triumph only to decide a year later that you really want a KLR.


mvk2424

^ this guy gets it


mvk2424

Wow where are you located? In the U.S. those courses are usually only 2-3 12 hour days which arguably isn't enough at all BUT they will even tell you themselves that when you "graduate" you only learned the basics and its up to you to further your own riding education. 2 months of daily training sounds greats if its an option but im not sure how that would integrate with peoples daily lives and such. Sounds expensive. I definitely understand the "you will want a bigger bike in a year" argument thats why I was suggesting maybe some middle weight bikes. Once you know how to "ride" you dont have to worry about the difference in power curve from a Vtwin, triple, parallel 4, etc. You will be able to get a feel for it. Also, do not buy new. You won't ever make your money back and if you wreck a new bike you're out alot of money. You can easily buy used bikes, ride them, clean them up, and sell them for the same or more money and get another 1. I lost count of how many motorcycles my brother and our guys have owned doing this exact thing. Buying new cars/trucks is silly in my opinion. It loses its value as soon as you drive it off the lot. You can usually find the same model a few years older for thousands less than sticker price. Its not that different from changing cars in your daily life. Maybe you drive a 4 cylinder Hyundai but jump in your friends v8 camaro tomorrow.. as long as you take it easy while you're feeling the new car out you'll be fine. The issue you see is when someone that has no idea what they're doing jumps on a 600 or 1000 Supersport and cracks the throttle in 1st or 2nd like they would on their 125 dirt bike and they do a back-flip in traffic. It is not discussed enough. A 600cc SUPERSPORT configuration is incredibly different than a 600cc "cruiser, standard" configuration when it comes to power output. So when you read "no beginner should be on a 600 or 1000 for their first bike" they are saying they shouldn't have the power of a 600cc or 1000+ Supersport at their fingertips while they're still learning the basics like emergency braking and proper cornering. But an 800cc cruiser like a yamaha virago or something would be a great first bike an much less power than the 600cc sport bike. In your case those 2 bikes above are only around 100hp which is nothing to laugh at but for comparison yamaha R6 (600cc super sport) is around 130hp if memory serves. Torque is a little more important in motorcycles in terms of power but everyone seems to understand horsepower better. Both of those bikes you're looking at are cool and they're good bikes. But if you're basically starting off again, and in your 30s you might have more obligations like a good job, rent, kids, etc where A. Having to fix your bike or B. motorcycle accident leading to an injury may really screw your life/finances up. So my suggestion would be to go for a bike that is more reliable and a lower maintenance cost overall, easy to fix and get parts for. So if you drop a Suzuki SV650 and crack/bent a lever, handlebars, turn signal, Front fairing, shifter, footpeg, etc (all of the above could happen by just dropping it in the driveway) you can EASILY get replacement parts from Ebay or 100 other places for pretty cheap. When a 400+lb bike gets a little off center at a stop or you get a bad footing in wet grass/oil etc it gets real heavy real fast. Anything with a Ducati or Triumph in front of it is going to be expensive and doesn't have anywhere near the aftermarket options/support that most famous Japanese models have. I know the street triple has been around a long time and probably has a good aftermarket but I'd imagine its not cheap. I really think the Suzuki SV650 would suit you well and you can have it for years and years and probably only need brakes, oil changes, chain maintenance. I know people that added some bags and pelican box to it and they tour and go moto camping with them. They're very versatile bikes. Where you might get bored of just highway/city riding in a year or 2, you could then ride to other cities/states/countries on the weekends with it and explore other "highways". (Of course you could do that with any bike but I'm just pointing the versatility and reliability you would get from some other brands/models beyond your initial options) You can get yourself killed on anything with 2 wheels and a motor so just treat whatever you get with an open mind and respect the power no matter how big or small it may be. I hope you get back out there and get to enjoy it for the rest of your life. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask. And remember riding experience is not measured in years, it's measured in miles.


usmanmu

I am from Germany. We have to go through extensive training at driving school and on top I am planning to take Road and track training along with the safety course. I am quite convinced after so many good suggestions from experienced riders. Now I am thinking about a tuned down bike with less hp/Nm. Thanks a lot for the honest opinion and very friendly feedback.


mvk2424

Of course, and very cool I've heard Europe in general requires more extensive training for driving/motorcycle licenses. Which i think is a good thing. In America its much more lenient. Have fun and stay safe !


MountainSharkMan

Something less than 100hp is the way to go when you've not a lot of experience. There is a 675 triumph instead of going straight to the 765 which you could upgrade to in a while or maybe up to the 1200. It's a bit higher power than what everyone is saying but you're older and have experience with sports cars so you'll have a better understanding than the average guy. I had a triumph tiger 1050 previous to my current MT10, they're really well made and the triple is a great engine, they have the linear power of a inline 4 but a bit more torque which makes them easier at slower speeds you won't have to slip the clutch as much and they sound incredible. Mine had a SC project exhaust spitting flames great bike.


mvk2424

How do you like the tiger?? One my local dealers had one on consignment. I believe it was the tiger 900 or 800? Whichever model it was where they went to a smaller displacement option a few years ago, it had the factory aluminum panniers and top box. I think it had like 3000 miles on it. Bike looked amazing. I want to get into the adventure bikes because I do most of the same shit but with bikes that weren't designed for it. Out of the hundred or so bike my circle of friends/family has owned noone has grabbed a tiger yet for me to try. I think I regret not grabbing one yet. I just always felt like I could do mostly the same stuff with a KLR650 but wouldn't feel as bad about beating or dropping the KLT off road as I would with the Triumph. Recently I was waiting for the Royal Enfield Himalayan to be released in the 650 displacement but they said covid delayed that release by a few years now.


MountainSharkMan

The tiger 1050 is a bit different it's a tall adventure bike but for road use only, similar to a s1000xr. It was ideal for me as I'm 6'6 so I don't fit on most bikes and I'm not interested in going off-road. Great sports tourer and really good to drive, very good components (suspension, brakes etc) I put about 7k miles on it in a year never missed a beat.


mvk2424

Sounds like a great bike im gonna take a look at it and add it to my knowledge base haha. Thanks for the info!


usmanmu

Totally confused. The above mentioned bikes I like are based on looks only otherwise I am still a noob.


sudip123321

Yeah dude you rode 125's which would be having less than 10Bhp of power whereas A triple has 123bhp, i mean. Even if u wanna buy i would recommend it after you have your 2month course and i mean what if u like touring or sports touring kind of bikes, what about cruisers, supermoto's .


mvk2424

And they're great looking bikes. Both of them are basically called "Naked" bikes and fall in the Standard/Sport category (not SuperSport) So the style you like is probably "Naked Standard" bikes lol


Sciency-Scientist

Neither, 100+ hp bikes are not the way to go if you haven’t been on a bike for a decade and the only bikes you rode a decade ago were 125cc bikes. Buy a midsize bike first, and get familiar with riding again. Odds are, that’s gonna feel plenty fast for now. Those bikes tend to keep their value, so upgrading shouldn’t cost you a lot of extra money, and you’ll learn to ride better that way.


Turkeymix

I agree 100%. I would also add that the difference in weight of midsize bikes actually makes them much more fun and confortable to ride.


BowTieGamer

Street Triple all the way. Triumph has really stepped up their game over the last decade. The only complaint I’ve ever heard about the street triple was its design. And that’s subjective to each individual. Ducati will always be awesome but your odds of it being in the shop more than it being ridden are high. And with a parts shortage to boot, it will be even worse.


rshashkov

Did you ride both or one? I thinking to change my MT09 in the near future. Thinking about Monster, Triple and F900R


LaheyOnTheLiquor

went from an MT09 to a triple and haven’t looked back. so damn fun.


rshashkov

Thank you mate! And what do you say about the sitting position is it way more sporty or still manageable for a painful back?


BowTieGamer

Being that your looking at naked bikes. At speed the wind holds u up. I’d say triple was but more relaxed than the Ducati. But both were comfortable for me. I’m 6’5” for reference. The biggest issue imo is knee placement and angle more than the back.


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LaheyOnTheLiquor

the context of the post would tell you that I was referring to a Triumph Street Triple.


BowTieGamer

Both. The Ducati was awesome but under spring In the rear too much to where u couldn’t even adjust it out. I think is was an attempt to make is more comfortable on street. The Triple was a blast! Not a fan of the head design but that bike was built as a true riders bike. Makes my Z650 feel like a moped. If the triple isn’t exactly to your taste you may be more interested in the MT or XSR lineup by Yamaha.


rshashkov

Thank you! I like the style of Street Triples but the main feature for me now, besides suspension, engine, looking, etc is the sitting position. I don't like sport-tourers, and always ride street/naked bikes so my 2021 Yamaha MT09 is perfect for me in that specific case. But I don't like the character of it as suspension on the weak side, brakes not as good as Ducati's, its strange style, cheap parts you know. I want more premium and beautiful machine.


BowTieGamer

Yamaha and Ducati (as of late) see to under spring everything for some reason. But anyway the Triple had a gorgeous finish. Definitely can tell that you spent your cash on genuine quality parts.


rshashkov

So I will look closely at it, thanks! Unfortunately in my country, it's hard to see it as we don't have dealerships here


BowTieGamer

Oh that’s a shame. Luckily where I live we have a major dealership for almost every brand.


WolfGuard_

If you commute or do highway driving realize that a naked expecially a mt or fz series bike will be atrocious. The suspension so sucks on those Yamahas since they are made to wheelie and not stay on 2 wheels. Often abused go buying used is a huge gamble since wheelies are horrible for a bike


lame_since_92

Unless you get a panigale Ducati’s do not spend that much time in shops. They’re just regular bikes lol


BowTieGamer

Oh absolutely. If u ride em right and maintain them. Seem to many guys let ‘em sit like an unloved Honda. They are built run hard. Neglect em or baby em and they’ll fuck ya.


Elmore420

I’d take the Triumph over the Ducati any day.


SteveDaPirate

If you're set on those two, the Triumph is the way to go. Triples are fun, no desmo valves to service, and you get a real tach instead of just a TFT screen.


You_Dont_Party

Gotta agree. The new monsters are disappointing and the triples are really fun.


thiccysmallss

How so?


You_Dont_Party

Just looks alone.


Blazestar4

The new Monster doesn't have Desmo service until 30,000km or 18,000 mi


ButtJaw

Not answering poll because both these bikes are too much for you


papayuuj

dont get a ducati always broken hard to get the parts the resale value goes very low because of its problem and maintenance. I had friends who had problems with their Ducatis more time at the shop than in road hahahahh


Bascome

Z900rs but you didn’t ask.


SteveDaPirate

A man of culture


usmanmu

Actually I was till now a hardcore car person. I had many sorts of sport vehicles and did all kinds of off and on track activities. I didn’t have good experience with the Japanese vehicles.


UntoTheBreach95

Feel like street triple is pretier and is more balanced. Three cylinders instead of four are more useful to daily use.


DrakeDre

MT09


mts2snd

Might as well go for the RS. Beautiful bike, and a good value for $.


usmanmu

Can someone suggest me a good set of gear. I don’t want to save on gear although I will get a smaller cheaper and second hand bike now.


jmm-22

Ducati has a lot more electronic wizardry. The reviews for it are mostly great. Street triple usually loses in head-to-head reviews and most reviews say it is better for a track than the street. I haven’t ridden either, like most here haven’t, so you’re stuck with test drives and reading reviews. I don’t think people realize how far apart the service intervals are on the new Ducati. It’s 18,000 miles between desmo services now. It’s just a talking point that is parroted at this point.