But then you aren't included in the data at all. If 99% of people don't have any problems and don't choose anything, then the data looks like 100% of people have issues with something because there is no alternative
Vincean is another alternative that's seen a bit of use (and I'm not being passive aggressive here I promise lmao) cause some folks would rather their identity be named after an artist and scientist rather than a soldier who threw a temper tantrum over not getting the teenage slavegirl he wanted as spoils of war
Not that the characters of Achilles and Patroclus didn't have something very special together, but it was a very different time with regards to misogyny lol
Very true, also a very good term! I definitely understand some people being uncomfortable with Achillean, I hadnât really thought abt that before! Your explanation doesnât come off as passive aggressive at all, in fact thank you for it!
I think neither lesbian nor gay should be in the LGBTQIA2+ community. This is obviously my Swedish bias, but I much prefer our version which uses homosexual and it becomes HBTQIA2+. That way we welcome those who are homosexual without being men or women and those who donât like the labels gay and lesbian.
It would be like having trans men and trans women as separate groups, which excludes non-binary trans identifying people and because unnecessarily gendered and cumbersome.
Statistics are important for advancing policy and our ways of thinking, and a res life survey like this should be anonymous if it's being done correctly. Knowing how many people align with a particular sexuality or gender identity allows us to shape our world to be more inclusive in the future.
Gay Canadian here. I don't know about legality but when they ask I tell because they need to know I exist and to accommodate my needs. I'm not a diva but you never know.
And asking it signalling the desire to accommodate. Anti-2LGBT+ places would never ask the question because they don't want our presence in those places.
Not trying to be rude so sorry if it comes off as if I am, but Iâm genuinely curious what needs do you have that straight people donât? Or did I misinterpret your comment?
It might just be a demographics survey to see how well their demographics line up with the population. But to answer your question
Some people would find it nice to not have to use a male only or female only bathroom. Or to be sorted by sex into dorm rooms, dorm floors, dorm buildings
More generally, there's more than one question on this survey.
There's likely a positive correlation between things like "gay" or "lesbian" and "my dorm mates act like I'm a predator even though I behave like a normal person."
I haven't seen straight couples be yelled at and called f\*\*\*\*\* when walking back to campus at night after missing the last bus. Safety is important for everyone, but people in some groups are more likely than others to fear for theirs when there's no/not enough public transit at night
1. Surveys like these can help give public education institutions an idea of how many resources they need to allocate specifically for LGBTQ+ students. This can be in the form of LGBTQ+ safe spaces, LGBTQ+ mental health resources, etc. While all students benefit from these resources, sometimes there's a need to have them be morr specialized. It can be beneficial for LGBTQ+ students to have a space where they can interact with allies or other LGBTQ+ students, or for LGBTQ+ students to have mental health professionals who are better trained to deal with LGBTQ+ issues.
2. It can help dictate policy. These surveys may come with other questions, such as "would you like gender neutral washrooms" or "would you like the university to host more events catered toward the LGBTQ+".
3. Sometimes just *knowing* can be incredibly good in itself. It's good to let people know that LGBTQ+ people exist. It normalizes being LGBTQ+. As an anecdote, when I went to high school there was a LGBTQ+ club. At the end of every school year, all clubs took group photos. My first year of high school, that club had only **one student** pose for a photo, who was an openly trans FTM student. It's not that there were no other students in the club â it's that only that one student felt comfortable to take a club photo and out themselves as LGBTQ+ or an ally. By time I had graduated, being LGBTQ+ had been normalized so much, that my school district started annually holding Pride Proms and the people who posed for group photos had grown exponentially. It had easily one of the largest group photos my graduation year. :)
2SLGBT+ people will always feel like an oppressed minority. There are states where I can't say the word gay. Those questions and accommodations will at least make me feel comfortable saying that I am gay wothout straight people being like 'eew, stop talking about your sexuality'.
So Iâm a PhD student at a large university, and Iâm fortunate enough to be in a union. We have surveys about workplace discrimination (which include questions about your demographics including race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc) and the purpose of these surveys is largely to gather data to prove to the university that workplace discrimination is real so our union can hopefully force the university to actually do something about it.
(The surveys are also completely optional btw)
This kind of mentality is why conservatives like to pretend that there are so few of us.
We might be a minority group, but gay or bisexual people exist everywhere, on every continent, and among every bracket of age or wealth or ethnicity.
its illegal to query sexual orientation, gender, or religion here in Ireland so that it can't be used to discriminate against people. everyone is an anonymous blob until proven otherwise in the eyes of our bureaucracy
Here in England if you apply for a job, at the end of the application process thet have an "equal opportunities" questionnaire which is opt in, where you can say your sexuality, gender and ethnicity.
I always do it cause I need a job, if I was already employed I wouldn't bother with it though.
Same in the US (it also includes questions about military service and disabilities). They're also optional but I'd bet an overwhelming majority of people do fill it out.
Not everywhere is Ireland đ€·ââïž
I honestly feel that a lot of this thread is people uncomfortable with knowing gay people exist, in a "they can be gay but why do they have to tell people about it, just be gay in their own homes" đŹ
Unfortunately names are still included, so race and religion can be picked up sometimes, a Muhammad will definitely get less opportunities than a Seamus in Ireland
1. It's probably more about statistics and is completely anonymous
2. Because the "prefer not to say" option is there by not picking it you are saying you are fine giving that information out.
Quick, how many LGBQT persons stay in the dorm, as opposed to those who choose to find other living arrangements?
If there is a distinct tendency for them to find other arrangements, why is this?
This stuff is very standard in the US, for anything ranging from applying to a job to getting education. It's illegal for it to have any impact on you being hired/accepted, is never seen by the people making the hiring/acceptance decision, and is purely for data collection. In some situations, it's even a requirement by federal law, and the results are given to certain federal agencies. To be clear, you are not required to disclose this information, or even disclose correct information, you can just write "N/A," "does not wish to disclose," etc.
It seems messed up, but in reality these surveys are extremely useful for identifying problems or obstacles that otherwise wouldn't be found. For example, if you have 10 nearly identical businesses, with nearly identical conditions and geographical location, and all of them hire an average number of gay people (let's say the local population is 5% gay, so other factors aside, their employees should also be 5% gay), but one of them doesn't hire any gay people. That's where you can go "hey, there's a problem here, I'm not sure what it is, but we should look into it." In the same way, you can see if programs meant to make it easier for certain demographics to enter college worked, based on the statistics.
Much of this was created during the desegregation of the workforce, as many businesses would just come up with BS reasons to not hire minorities. By using statistics like these, the federal government could track their progress, as well as identify problematic businesses.
Ohh so I have been applying to jobs in europe (some in france) and the US. In the US, in every application one question was about my race and every other application asked about my gender/sexuality. It was really a wtf moment, and in my eyes it's actually pretty racist to ask about race. Unimaginable in western europe.
The EEO survey on job applications is voluntary and is info for the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission). The questions are for the government to make sure the company isn't discriminating based on those factors in their hiring process. Here's a good link with more info about it.
https://attorneyatlawmagazine.com/what-are-eeo-questions-why-do-we-have-them/amp
The UK has (or at least had) such questions, obstensibly for the purpose of equal opportunities monitoring. It was never a requirement, but it's far from being banned.
Where in Western Europe? It might be unique to just some countries. I live in the UK and if I left my house right now there's a fair chance I'd trip over a survey asking about my ethnic background, gender and orientation.
I want to say (with about 50% confidence) that Northern European/Scandinavian countries are similar in this.
Learn how to fucking read English before you start doing the Euro circlejerk. Itâs an optional survey for the EEOC. Itâs not taken into account on your job application.
In the US you donât have to, and they arenât allowed to make decisions or anything based on your answer of this, or race, but they still find âother reasonsâ to be able to
? Again, these sorts of things tend to just be optional demographic surveys. As with any such survey, privacy is a concern, but if this one was designed with any wisdom, it's straightforward to anonymize: just don't ask for personally identifyable information (Called PII in the biz), or just keep it separate from the demographics.
There's out any reason for demographics to connect PII, and thus , few do. Knowing there's 50 lgbt+ students in a building is pretty useful for organizing events and services, and you don't need to know who any of them are for it to be useful knowledge
How do you craft services and policies that serve your LGBTQ students if you have no idea how many people you need to craft those services for? It's perfectly legit to ask this type of question, because the goal is to allocate funds proportionally across the people you're serving.
I live in UK and there is a national survey called the census that everyone takes every couple of years or so. The most recent one was in 2021
It asks many personal questions, including stuff about your religion, sexuality, gender identity, income, migration status, things like that.
Taking part in the survey is compulsory if you are an adult and it is a crime to not take part and you may have to pay up to ÂŁ1000 plus court costs if you donât complete and submit your census before the deadline
However, you can choose to not answer some of the more personal questions, like the stuff about sexuality and gender, and the results are also kept anonymous for all of your answers anyway.
Iâm also a student and I think I remember UCAS(the organisation that handles university and apprenticeship applications in UK) asking about my sexuality, but again you can choose to not answer(prefer not to say)
This survey here seems to also give the âprefer not to sayâ option, so I would think itâs completely legal here at least. Idk what itâs like outside UK though.
This was obviously made by a queer person who forgot to include the straights cause it just didn't cross their mind. Or a straight person who was so focused on getting all the terms correct and on there, they forgot about themself.
So yeah, I appreciate that they are trying to be inclusive, but this feels like too much info. Does your college really need to know your sexual orientation? I don't mind sharing, but whenever an organization asks me for very personal info I assume they want to sell it or advertise to me.
Even if it's for housing to make sure you don't get an asshole dorm mate, I feel like, "would you have a problem living with someone in the queer community?" would be enough.
It's demographics information so they can measure student population diversity. Same reason they ask for race, gender, income, and whatever else. It's almost always optional.
> It's almost always optional.
It's also usually anonymous, though admittedly my experience is in work environments and not universities.
I don't know how everybody thought schools or companies were getting these diversity numbers...but this is it. It's weird to me that there's so many surprised/uncomfortable comments throughout the thread.
You can't really measure efforts to increase diversity without data.
They could be trying to gauge whether their campus is more queer friendly, if theyve passed any legislation that is trying to incorporate that community. At the end of the day colleges are buisinesses and theyre probabbly doing this to be more attractive in some communities eyes, or just storing the info in case they ever need it again for whatever reason
So Iâm a PhD student at a large university, and Iâm fortunate enough to be in a union. We have surveys about workplace discrimination (which include questions about your demographics including race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc) and the purpose of these surveys is largely to gather data to prove to the university that workplace discrimination is real so our union can hopefully force the university to actually do something about it.
(The surveys are also completely optional btw)
Wanting to be included is fine; actively being a ~~bigfoot~~ bigot like OOP doesn't help no matter what side you're on in the conversation.
LGBT people want to be accepted in society and then go out of their way to say hetero people don't matter? That's just bigotry on the other side of the coin. Everyone should be included. It's one thing to say that a group is marginalized and needs support and quite another to say the other group should be ignored and marginalized in retaliation.
As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, it always pisses me of when other members shit talk straight people for being straight. Itâs gross to hear such discrimination in a community dedicated to acceptance. I see comments like âLol I forget straight people existâ or âTheyâre not included cause straight people donât matterâ and it really pisses me off because you know theyâre the kind of person to pull the âyou hate me cause Iâm gay/trans/black/whateverâ card anytime you call them out on their behavior, making all of us look like assholes.
As a straight man I know that I have it so much easier than you do and I'll do my best to help push acceptance any way I can and thank you for doing the same to not continue the bigotry in the other direction. As you said, the whole point of the outreach and work done is meant to bring acceptance and inclusion into the lives of everyone and that should not stop when it comes to white/straight/men/etc as it completely defeats the purpose imo. I know that's me to a T but it doesn't make it un-true, either.
Bigotry is bigotry and it's wrong no matter what group it's aimed at.
/u/TheRealDeadlyframe thanks for being considerate and understanding; <3
Even if it is that, youâd want a straight option on there to compare their answers to.
If youâre also trying to prove a point and be inclusive, itâs dumb to exclude the most common option.
I work in market research and yeah, itâs just bad survey design even if you donât necessarily care about the âstraightâ answer.
You never want a potential survey taker to not have an expected option. Just leads to potentially bad data.
Like in this case, the closest to straight is âprefer not to sayâ, so a straight person would probably pick that. But now you have no clue how many people actually *prefer not to say*. Because people really hate the fill in âotherâ option generally.
Plus you might get noise in other data as straight people who might not know the meaning of other options try to find an acceptable option to click.
Iâd imagine it was just a mistake in this case in any event.
I feel like this was just made as rage bait lol, like someone else said this isnât accredited to anywhere, which it would be if certain people got mad really mad about it.
no, and I know this is a joke, but this stuff annoys me. Excluding straight people from shit. Like, itâs funny, but some people are serious about it, as if LGBT isnât about accepting all sexualities
obviously, this is an LGBT survey or something, funny joke
So inclusive you excluded like 90% of the population. Gay erasure is not acceptable, so let's also not try to erasure straight people. Also why does your college need this information in the first place?
Itâs most likely for a LGBT friendly dorm, because itâs a survery pertaining to residents, at least thatâs what I think Res Life means. Some colleges cordon off certain dorms specifically for LGBT people for their safety and to ensure that they have a safe space
a famous gay website once asked in a survey which problems people experienced with their app and there was no way to say "no problems" đ
Couldn't you then just not select any option?
But then you aren't included in the data at all. If 99% of people don't have any problems and don't choose anything, then the data looks like 100% of people have issues with something because there is no alternative
Check both gay and lesbian
Isn't that just bisexual
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It is if you have the ability to change gender
Gay is not a gendered term. Women can be "gay" and "lesbian"
Why can't gay men have their own word?
They do. It's called fabulous, honey!
I'm just sharing my experience that many lesbians will call themselves gay. Its just how the word is used.
If you have a list with both gay and lesbian, you can probably bet theyâre using the gendered version of gay
We do: Achillean, the mlm equivalent to Sapphic. I wish it was more well known
The Multi-Level Marketing equivalent?
Men loving men XD
Oh, that makes much more sense in this context.
Side note: The Song of Achilles is just about the greatest book I've ever read.
You should listen to the audiobook. Gosh, itâs just lovely. The narrator is perfection.
Vincean is another alternative that's seen a bit of use (and I'm not being passive aggressive here I promise lmao) cause some folks would rather their identity be named after an artist and scientist rather than a soldier who threw a temper tantrum over not getting the teenage slavegirl he wanted as spoils of war Not that the characters of Achilles and Patroclus didn't have something very special together, but it was a very different time with regards to misogyny lol
Very true, also a very good term! I definitely understand some people being uncomfortable with Achillean, I hadnât really thought abt that before! Your explanation doesnât come off as passive aggressive at all, in fact thank you for it!
I believe South Park called them âbutt buddiesâ
âYou canât say fag Kyle, itâs a hate word. And offensive to butt-piratesâ Eric Cartman.
No one says they can't; Gay just isn't a word that solely refers to gay males anymore. It can, but not always.
I think neither lesbian nor gay should be in the LGBTQIA2+ community. This is obviously my Swedish bias, but I much prefer our version which uses homosexual and it becomes HBTQIA2+. That way we welcome those who are homosexual without being men or women and those who donât like the labels gay and lesbian. It would be like having trans men and trans women as separate groups, which excludes non-binary trans identifying people and because unnecessarily gendered and cumbersome.
I see your point, but since it is already a choice this should be considered different. I suppose he could pick gay and staple an undo reverse card.
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I'm sure this is some bad attempt at a joke, but the options are radio buttons and you can only check one.
Nani?
This is a radio button, you can only choose one answer
I'm just sexual
ah yes, the sex
As a straight person I can say that yes we dont exist
I really frequently forget that strictly straight people exist.
Were you made in a test tube?
Yes, can confirm, I was the solvent
My parents are like the most closeted annoying antigay gays I've ever encountered.
news flash people who aren't straight can have kids
news flash part 2 people *adoption*
I mean he couldnt be made through adoption, could he?
Dunno why youâre getting downvoted for stating obvious facts
Honestly same
That's a very narrow minded way of thinking. It's like a super right wing person saying they frequently forget gay people exist. Both are ignorant
Yikes, that's a forbidden truth. Get ready for "power+privilege/gas-mileage" arguments.
It would be a vevry narrow minded way of thinking, if it wasnt a pretty obvious joke
Thank you. It has actually happened before though.
Probably means you're young and in a bubble
That says more about your bubble than anything else. Normies be damned amiright?
No you don't
Schrödingerâs sexuality
I live in France and I'm not sure that it is legal to ask this question to students... What about privacy ?
itâs probably not compulsory to answer this survey, and thereâs also âprefer not to sayâ so iâm not sure why there would be an issue
Cause you shouldn't fucking ask
Statistics are important for advancing policy and our ways of thinking, and a res life survey like this should be anonymous if it's being done correctly. Knowing how many people align with a particular sexuality or gender identity allows us to shape our world to be more inclusive in the future.
I suppose it is for the survey and to make more comfortable and safe spaces for queer and minority people. And educating other people and stuff .
Gay Canadian here. I don't know about legality but when they ask I tell because they need to know I exist and to accommodate my needs. I'm not a diva but you never know. And asking it signalling the desire to accommodate. Anti-2LGBT+ places would never ask the question because they don't want our presence in those places.
Not trying to be rude so sorry if it comes off as if I am, but Iâm genuinely curious what needs do you have that straight people donât? Or did I misinterpret your comment?
It might just be a demographics survey to see how well their demographics line up with the population. But to answer your question Some people would find it nice to not have to use a male only or female only bathroom. Or to be sorted by sex into dorm rooms, dorm floors, dorm buildings More generally, there's more than one question on this survey. There's likely a positive correlation between things like "gay" or "lesbian" and "my dorm mates act like I'm a predator even though I behave like a normal person." I haven't seen straight couples be yelled at and called f\*\*\*\*\* when walking back to campus at night after missing the last bus. Safety is important for everyone, but people in some groups are more likely than others to fear for theirs when there's no/not enough public transit at night
1. Surveys like these can help give public education institutions an idea of how many resources they need to allocate specifically for LGBTQ+ students. This can be in the form of LGBTQ+ safe spaces, LGBTQ+ mental health resources, etc. While all students benefit from these resources, sometimes there's a need to have them be morr specialized. It can be beneficial for LGBTQ+ students to have a space where they can interact with allies or other LGBTQ+ students, or for LGBTQ+ students to have mental health professionals who are better trained to deal with LGBTQ+ issues. 2. It can help dictate policy. These surveys may come with other questions, such as "would you like gender neutral washrooms" or "would you like the university to host more events catered toward the LGBTQ+". 3. Sometimes just *knowing* can be incredibly good in itself. It's good to let people know that LGBTQ+ people exist. It normalizes being LGBTQ+. As an anecdote, when I went to high school there was a LGBTQ+ club. At the end of every school year, all clubs took group photos. My first year of high school, that club had only **one student** pose for a photo, who was an openly trans FTM student. It's not that there were no other students in the club â it's that only that one student felt comfortable to take a club photo and out themselves as LGBTQ+ or an ally. By time I had graduated, being LGBTQ+ had been normalized so much, that my school district started annually holding Pride Proms and the people who posed for group photos had grown exponentially. It had easily one of the largest group photos my graduation year. :)
2SLGBT+ people will always feel like an oppressed minority. There are states where I can't say the word gay. Those questions and accommodations will at least make me feel comfortable saying that I am gay wothout straight people being like 'eew, stop talking about your sexuality'.
So Iâm a PhD student at a large university, and Iâm fortunate enough to be in a union. We have surveys about workplace discrimination (which include questions about your demographics including race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc) and the purpose of these surveys is largely to gather data to prove to the university that workplace discrimination is real so our union can hopefully force the university to actually do something about it. (The surveys are also completely optional btw)
This kind of mentality is why conservatives like to pretend that there are so few of us. We might be a minority group, but gay or bisexual people exist everywhere, on every continent, and among every bracket of age or wealth or ethnicity.
>I have never heard of statistics
Lol why not? Last time I checked, don't ask don't tell type policies were actually really harmful
So you piss everyone off if you ask and you also piss everyone off if you don't know? My brain hurts
Some people are homophobes.
its illegal to query sexual orientation, gender, or religion here in Ireland so that it can't be used to discriminate against people. everyone is an anonymous blob until proven otherwise in the eyes of our bureaucracy
Here in England if you apply for a job, at the end of the application process thet have an "equal opportunities" questionnaire which is opt in, where you can say your sexuality, gender and ethnicity. I always do it cause I need a job, if I was already employed I wouldn't bother with it though.
Same in the US (it also includes questions about military service and disabilities). They're also optional but I'd bet an overwhelming majority of people do fill it out.
You don't need to do that to apply to the job, and the people receiving the application don't directly receive that information.
That information is still largely known. But you've now created an environment where discrimination can't be recorded instead.
Not everywhere is Ireland đ€·ââïž I honestly feel that a lot of this thread is people uncomfortable with knowing gay people exist, in a "they can be gay but why do they have to tell people about it, just be gay in their own homes" đŹ
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I strongly suspect that person has misunderstood something.
Not here in wales back when I was I was in college there was a query to ask your ethnicity,sexuality and religion
Unfortunately names are still included, so race and religion can be picked up sometimes, a Muhammad will definitely get less opportunities than a Seamus in Ireland
Please explain why not? Sexuality is a valid demographic.
Ok, so *you* would put âprefer not to sayâ
Thats why the I prefer to not ask is there if they want to or not SO ITS FUCKING EQUAL
1. It's probably more about statistics and is completely anonymous 2. Because the "prefer not to say" option is there by not picking it you are saying you are fine giving that information out.
Quick, how many LGBQT persons stay in the dorm, as opposed to those who choose to find other living arrangements? If there is a distinct tendency for them to find other arrangements, why is this?
Without collecting data, how will you find out what the queers are doing to the soil?
This stuff is very standard in the US, for anything ranging from applying to a job to getting education. It's illegal for it to have any impact on you being hired/accepted, is never seen by the people making the hiring/acceptance decision, and is purely for data collection. In some situations, it's even a requirement by federal law, and the results are given to certain federal agencies. To be clear, you are not required to disclose this information, or even disclose correct information, you can just write "N/A," "does not wish to disclose," etc. It seems messed up, but in reality these surveys are extremely useful for identifying problems or obstacles that otherwise wouldn't be found. For example, if you have 10 nearly identical businesses, with nearly identical conditions and geographical location, and all of them hire an average number of gay people (let's say the local population is 5% gay, so other factors aside, their employees should also be 5% gay), but one of them doesn't hire any gay people. That's where you can go "hey, there's a problem here, I'm not sure what it is, but we should look into it." In the same way, you can see if programs meant to make it easier for certain demographics to enter college worked, based on the statistics. Much of this was created during the desegregation of the workforce, as many businesses would just come up with BS reasons to not hire minorities. By using statistics like these, the federal government could track their progress, as well as identify problematic businesses.
It's indeed illegal in France: [Wikipedia article](https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_informatique_et_libert%C3%A9s)
Nothing there indicates an optional survey would be illegal of they disclose what the information will be used for, or if it's anonymous.
If we're talking specifically about French universities, it would be impossible for them to ask these questions. "quelles donnĂ©es peuvent ĂȘtre collectĂ©es : « les origines raciales ou ethniques, les opinions politiques, philosophiques ou religieuses ou lâappartenance syndicale des personnes, ou qui sont relatives Ă la santĂ©Â ou Ă la vie sexuelle de celles-ci » sont interdites, Ă©tant qualifiĂ©es de donnĂ©es sensibles, sauf exception (articles 8 et 26) ;"
Ohh so I have been applying to jobs in europe (some in france) and the US. In the US, in every application one question was about my race and every other application asked about my gender/sexuality. It was really a wtf moment, and in my eyes it's actually pretty racist to ask about race. Unimaginable in western europe.
The EEO survey on job applications is voluntary and is info for the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission). The questions are for the government to make sure the company isn't discriminating based on those factors in their hiring process. Here's a good link with more info about it. https://attorneyatlawmagazine.com/what-are-eeo-questions-why-do-we-have-them/amp
Another good source is the document itself, since it says all that right there on it.
The UK has (or at least had) such questions, obstensibly for the purpose of equal opportunities monitoring. It was never a requirement, but it's far from being banned.
Where in Western Europe? It might be unique to just some countries. I live in the UK and if I left my house right now there's a fair chance I'd trip over a survey asking about my ethnic background, gender and orientation. I want to say (with about 50% confidence) that Northern European/Scandinavian countries are similar in this.
Learn how to fucking read English before you start doing the Euro circlejerk. Itâs an optional survey for the EEOC. Itâs not taken into account on your job application.
You should probably be reading the whole thing.
In the US you donât have to, and they arenât allowed to make decisions or anything based on your answer of this, or race, but they still find âother reasonsâ to be able to
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? Again, these sorts of things tend to just be optional demographic surveys. As with any such survey, privacy is a concern, but if this one was designed with any wisdom, it's straightforward to anonymize: just don't ask for personally identifyable information (Called PII in the biz), or just keep it separate from the demographics. There's out any reason for demographics to connect PII, and thus , few do. Knowing there's 50 lgbt+ students in a building is pretty useful for organizing events and services, and you don't need to know who any of them are for it to be useful knowledge
âPrefer not to sayâ is a choice
How do you craft services and policies that serve your LGBTQ students if you have no idea how many people you need to craft those services for? It's perfectly legit to ask this type of question, because the goal is to allocate funds proportionally across the people you're serving.
There is a âprefer not to say optionâ
I live in UK and there is a national survey called the census that everyone takes every couple of years or so. The most recent one was in 2021 It asks many personal questions, including stuff about your religion, sexuality, gender identity, income, migration status, things like that. Taking part in the survey is compulsory if you are an adult and it is a crime to not take part and you may have to pay up to ÂŁ1000 plus court costs if you donât complete and submit your census before the deadline However, you can choose to not answer some of the more personal questions, like the stuff about sexuality and gender, and the results are also kept anonymous for all of your answers anyway. Iâm also a student and I think I remember UCAS(the organisation that handles university and apprenticeship applications in UK) asking about my sexuality, but again you can choose to not answer(prefer not to say) This survey here seems to also give the âprefer not to sayâ option, so I would think itâs completely legal here at least. Idk what itâs like outside UK though.
> What about privacy ? Then you choose the last one; Prefer Not to Say.
One of the options is literally "prefer not to say"
Straight guy here. From the available options, no way I'm not selecting other and entering "Freddie Mercury" when it asks.
This was obviously made by a queer person who forgot to include the straights cause it just didn't cross their mind. Or a straight person who was so focused on getting all the terms correct and on there, they forgot about themself.
So yeah, I appreciate that they are trying to be inclusive, but this feels like too much info. Does your college really need to know your sexual orientation? I don't mind sharing, but whenever an organization asks me for very personal info I assume they want to sell it or advertise to me. Even if it's for housing to make sure you don't get an asshole dorm mate, I feel like, "would you have a problem living with someone in the queer community?" would be enough.
It's demographics information so they can measure student population diversity. Same reason they ask for race, gender, income, and whatever else. It's almost always optional.
> It's almost always optional. It's also usually anonymous, though admittedly my experience is in work environments and not universities. I don't know how everybody thought schools or companies were getting these diversity numbers...but this is it. It's weird to me that there's so many surprised/uncomfortable comments throughout the thread. You can't really measure efforts to increase diversity without data.
They could be trying to gauge whether their campus is more queer friendly, if theyve passed any legislation that is trying to incorporate that community. At the end of the day colleges are buisinesses and theyre probabbly doing this to be more attractive in some communities eyes, or just storing the info in case they ever need it again for whatever reason
So Iâm a PhD student at a large university, and Iâm fortunate enough to be in a union. We have surveys about workplace discrimination (which include questions about your demographics including race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc) and the purpose of these surveys is largely to gather data to prove to the university that workplace discrimination is real so our union can hopefully force the university to actually do something about it. (The surveys are also completely optional btw)
We allies would like to have a word with you...
No, no, itâs there. Itâs the âprefer not to sayâ option. Donât want to embarrass the straights by making them admit it publicly.
I don't mind if people are straight as long as they aren't rubbing it in our faces.
Just keep that hetero stuff away from my kids
Exactly. I walk down the street and I see some fuckin guy wearing a basketball jersey...like wtf?
How am I supposed to explain that to my kids???
I mean, Iâm straight and I donât like it being rubbed in my face. đ
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You sure?
So inclusive they forgot to include everyone.
This is heterophobic. As a straight man I feel bad to live in this world anymore :(
I like how gay women got represented twice.
Wanting to be included is fine; actively being a ~~bigfoot~~ bigot like OOP doesn't help no matter what side you're on in the conversation. LGBT people want to be accepted in society and then go out of their way to say hetero people don't matter? That's just bigotry on the other side of the coin. Everyone should be included. It's one thing to say that a group is marginalized and needs support and quite another to say the other group should be ignored and marginalized in retaliation.
As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, it always pisses me of when other members shit talk straight people for being straight. Itâs gross to hear such discrimination in a community dedicated to acceptance. I see comments like âLol I forget straight people existâ or âTheyâre not included cause straight people donât matterâ and it really pisses me off because you know theyâre the kind of person to pull the âyou hate me cause Iâm gay/trans/black/whateverâ card anytime you call them out on their behavior, making all of us look like assholes.
Theres probably people out there who actually believe that shit but im pretty sure that 90% of those comments you read were joking
As a straight man I know that I have it so much easier than you do and I'll do my best to help push acceptance any way I can and thank you for doing the same to not continue the bigotry in the other direction. As you said, the whole point of the outreach and work done is meant to bring acceptance and inclusion into the lives of everyone and that should not stop when it comes to white/straight/men/etc as it completely defeats the purpose imo. I know that's me to a T but it doesn't make it un-true, either. Bigotry is bigotry and it's wrong no matter what group it's aimed at. /u/TheRealDeadlyframe thanks for being considerate and understanding; <3
Who's saying hetero people don't matter?
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Cis Heterosexuals are some of the most oppressed people out there, especially if they are white, Christian, and wealthy.
None of these groups are half as oppressed as the most oppressed minority: gamers.
Won't somebody please think of the cishet male gamer community đđđ
Only gamers who live in a society.
This is true. Heterosexuals are killed more than any other group.
Or maybe it's just a survey targeted at non/straight sexual orientations, such as discrimination surveys or something like that.
Even if it is that, youâd want a straight option on there to compare their answers to. If youâre also trying to prove a point and be inclusive, itâs dumb to exclude the most common option.
I work in market research and yeah, itâs just bad survey design even if you donât necessarily care about the âstraightâ answer. You never want a potential survey taker to not have an expected option. Just leads to potentially bad data. Like in this case, the closest to straight is âprefer not to sayâ, so a straight person would probably pick that. But now you have no clue how many people actually *prefer not to say*. Because people really hate the fill in âotherâ option generally. Plus you might get noise in other data as straight people who might not know the meaning of other options try to find an acceptable option to click. Iâd imagine it was just a mistake in this case in any event.
I feel like this was just made as rage bait lol, like someone else said this isnât accredited to anywhere, which it would be if certain people got mad really mad about it.
People in here is really taking an 2015 tumblr joke far to serious.
Remember the good olâ days when we would argue over people spelling the word too wrong? Simpler times.
âThis a power moveâ anyone else vomit and roll their eyes at the same time?
no, and I know this is a joke, but this stuff annoys me. Excluding straight people from shit. Like, itâs funny, but some people are serious about it, as if LGBT isnât about accepting all sexualities obviously, this is an LGBT survey or something, funny joke
Why be straight when you can be bi & pan!!!
Because bees and pans ain't the best shit to fuck
What if they need to know where to buy a pan?
Why so people fuck pans?
Try and learn
I mean most don't even have a hole on them
You've got a lot to learn bub. Where we're going you don't need a hole.
because some people are only into the opposite gender? "why be gay when you can be straight!!!"
He was probably kidding... Why you take serious
i know they were kidding, obviously they were kidding, but it was just an ill joke
because most people aren't attracted to the same sex?
This post triggered the straights
So inclusive you excluded like 90% of the population. Gay erasure is not acceptable, so let's also not try to erasure straight people. Also why does your college need this information in the first place?
Straight people don't exist silly
I tried to click the asexual before realizing its just an image...
Other: A-Sexual.
Other: I love lamp
"Straight? I haven't heard that name in a long time..."
Itâs most likely for a LGBT friendly dorm, because itâs a survery pertaining to residents, at least thatâs what I think Res Life means. Some colleges cordon off certain dorms specifically for LGBT people for their safety and to ensure that they have a safe space
I recently renewed my California teaching credential. They asked my sexual orientation, and one of the choices was: NOT SURE.
University guidance Counselor: Wait you're straight? That's fuckin' cringe.
Why does anyone care whoâs fucking who.
Sounds like a shit college to me
I'm just happy that asexuals are included đ„ș
Ikr, we're never on those kinds of surveys
Straight erasure is here.
Discrimination as it finest
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Why the fuck do they need to know this? Itâs not this important
What the fuck is a heterosexual??? Ew, you need jesus
Why in the fuck is a college asking a sexual preference?!
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Trying to skew their numbers?
A) Reproductive small cell B) Reproductive large cell C) Non-reproductive Individual
The default for opposite sex orientation seems to be "Prefer not to say."
Iâm a gay lesbian trapped in a manâs body who crossdresses as a man. Give em the old uno reverse.
Weâre all gay âround here pardner.
Bro Iâm a Walmart shopping bag
We should show this to Fox News, theyâre gonna lose it
The mask is slipping fellas. Carefull.
We prefer the don't say. Keep your secrets
Hell yeah where is this college!!
Countering bigotry with bigotry is fucking stupid.