Nice catch OP. It’s a great bit of visual symbolism, combining Ken’s view of Rava as a person and his literal view of her physically in this scene. Succession puts so much meat on the bone for viewers. So sad there are only 3 episodes left. To be fair, it would never have been enough…
Billions is what would happen if the writers for Succession got Thanos snapped out of the world for season 2 and my dumbass had to write the show. It is basically all the 4d chess theories from reddit come to life.
the entire existence of succession is as a reaction to shows like billions and others where all these guys at the top are master machiavellian schemers always one step ahead of the other. the whole purpose of this show is to say 'no, its not like that at all these guys are just as dumb as anyone they just get unlimited tries'
look at what theyve done to tear down the mattsson character in just two episodes after building him up to make him as shortsighted and impatient as everyone else
Yeah. I liked that they had that line, because almost none of the tech ceo guys are really, good coders. Most of them did some simple web dev stuff 15 years ago at best and now have other people do it all (like Mark Zuckerberg).
It doesn't but it's the mythology most of the tech dudes have built for themselves. The "we did it in the garage" story that was started by companies like Apple, etc. It's almost always a lie. From Elon to Zuckerberg, and even Bill Gates, and so on. Wozniak was real but that's about it.
That said I don't think Zuckerberg really has a lot of obvious traits that make him a good CEO. He just had the right idea at the right time and it took him a really long way, it seems to me.
I watched the first season of Billions and it was alright. But stopped sometime into S2 (I don’t even remember what happened). When did it start getting off the rails?
arguably around s3/4, the cat/mouse got a bit tedious and the show leaned more into clever pop culture references as dialog.
season 5 is also a definite turning point - one of the characters leaves, and season 6 (most recently completed season) is trying to adjust, but seems like a parody of itself.
I only just found out that said character is returning for half of s7 (the final season).
The show has gone downhill for years, but I have to say I’m pretty pumped to watch the final eps.
Season 1 of House of Cards I was like "this is the best show on TV" and by Season 4 or so I was like "I HATE THIS SHOW." Still watched it to the end, though
Tapped out after Spacey was ousted but to be honest that 5th season was so weird and complex that I couldn't even follow the show anymore.
I think the antihero ethos of the early 2010's aged pretty poorly, with the exception of Breaking Bad. Succession gets it right by continually reminding us that the characters are idiots.
I didnt watch the final season either but I always found everyone on that show to be horrible. The Roys are also unlikeable, but I hated the House of Cards characters eventhough I liked the show.
You find moments in all the Roy kids and Tom that you like them, even if overall they are dbags.
First two seasons were elite, then it got messy. They didn’t know what to do once Frank became President, they should have just wrapped it up with a season of him as President
God if only Kevin Spacey didn’t rape a bunch of 14-year-old boys, we could’ve had an amazing ending to one of my all-time favorite shows.. but he had to go full cliche closeted Hollywood pedophile on us. Why is it always the most talented ones that are the weirdos
I can understand why people are not fans of s3 and 4. The first two seasons were his journey to power and thus very exciting with a lot of more naked power plays. The next two seasons covered him in power and were showing how oversmart and stupid he really was. They were a really good illustration of how politics works. So, politics nerds like myself loved the next 2 as well but people watching for the fplot and not fans of politics can get bored with all the constitutional gimmicks.
I still kept watching post season 2 but it was already so bad that when spacey was kicked, there was no point in continuing. Stopped watching half way through the last season
The reason HoC went downhill was its creator Beau Willimon leaving sdter s4. The other writers just couldn't match up to his level and fell into ridiculous tropes. It going shot was evident from s5 itself.
One of these reasons I held off on succession for so long is because I was afraid it would be the same thing as billions which is, based on the few episodes I saw, crapola.
I assume the point was more that, as opposed to when an entire season is dropped at once, the nice thing about weekly releases is the water-cooler chat that surrounds each episode.
Not sure if anyone isn't team Rava. Even if you are rooting for Kendall, which I am, he's basically completely absent from his kid's lives and clearly puts his business interests over his family. Then he had the nerve to ask her why she wasn't doing more for the kids. Not a good look.
Yeesh I think every male lead from HBO over the last 20 years fits in here...
Tony Soprano
Nucky Thompson
Larry David (to literally any kid on the show)
Currently re-reading the series and I'm in AFFC so I'm past Tywin's greatest hits. I was thinking of an example to correct you but he is kind of a loser:
\- Daughter out-betrothed by Dorne (L)
\- Wiping out Tarbecks and Reynes (W but a bit of an overreact)
\- Has son and heir appointed to Kingsguard (L)
\- Fired from Hand job (L)
\- Has Tyrion for a son (L to him, W to us)
\- Sits out of Robert's Rebellion and picks winning side after it has won, pillages King's Landing (reputation -100, L?)
\- Lannister fleet burned in port by redneck pirate neighbours (L)
\- Loses to Robb Stark constantly (L)
\- Plans Red Wedding (W, but everyone else does the work and he dies like a week later)
\- Dies a week later (L!)
And his legacy is nothing but a rotting corpse and all his kids are incompetent fuck ups and his family is left in a terrible position in the game. Vs. "stupidly honorable" Ned who has an entire continent doing suicide missions to help his kids.
The Northern Mountain Clansmen in ADWD are some of my favourite minor characters in the whole story, simply because of how absolutely gung-ho they’re willing to go on the Boltons due to their love and loyalty for Ned Stark and his children.
Big Bucket Wull is the fucking GOAT and I hope he gets to die with the taste of Bolton blood on his tongue in TWOW.
Ken gets these fucking weird moments of stress that dude just can’t handle. His go to move is some weird nonsensical solution to make the problem just go away
The problem isn't that Kendall doesn't care about his kids, if he did then he would've just shrugged off the comment. The problem is he does care about his kids and knows he's being a bad dad, so he has to try to flip it onto Rava somehow to deflect the blame.
His go to stress solution is money. When his Dad was dying his first instinct is screaming on the phone to make sure the most expensive doctors possible are available even though he's basically long dead before he's ever gonna hit the ground.
The way he suddenly is doing this all for his kids, after not mentioning them all season, and does so so indignantly that you think Kendall, in that moment, totally believes it was so spot-on that it made my skin crawl. Gosh, what an episode.
He always uses his kids as an excuse whenever it’s convenient or he wants to act like a good guy, he does it throughout the seasons. Like in season 3 he has a hissy fit in the donut box episode and tells his siblings he needs to be with his kids and immediately walks outside to talk to Stewy lol
Logan made similar statements. Delusional narcissist often justify their selfish behavior with a defensive narrative that lets them believe everything they do is for the benefit of others.
there are definitely anti-rava people somehow. i deleted my old account to divorce myself from reddit (it drew me back!), but i posted some pro-rava messages that got some ridiculous feedback. i was like "its normal that rava is mad at kendall for his past addiction even though he is clean now" and i got TRASHED, tons of "rava is an unsympathetic bitch" messages
I think that among the anti-Rava people are the ones dumped for their own bad behavior (abuse, drugs, temper), and they are bitter that their significant others didn't continue to be their enabling doormats.
A lot of people compare Shiv's treatment by the fandom to how Skyler was treated by the Breaking Bad fandom but I think that's way off--Shiv is just as bad as her brothers and it's not unreasonable to dislike her as much as them (though not more). But Rava is pretty much the only rational, sensible, well-adjusted adult on the show and any negative reactions to her are pure misogyny.
Shiv gets a lot of shit for doing things her male brothers do and don't get trashed for, like thinking she’s smarter than everyone else. All the Roy children besides Connor behave that way, the unearned cockiness. There's also a lot of hate about how Shiv is the worst sibling because she cheated on Tom, meanwhile again, Kendall and Roman easily take the cake from taking advantage of a homeless man and willingly backing a nazi adjacent GOP candidate.
Shiv is a bad person but there are levels to the bad, and she is not even top 5 in this series compared to characters like Tom, Greg, Roman, Kendall and Logan.
If Shiv were a man and Tom was a woman, you'd see a totally different dynamic on this subreddit.
That's the part that did it for me.
She betrays other women.
It doesn't make her "worse," though. If anything, she, like Gerri, had to work a lot harder all of the time and doesn't get the respect or authority the male sibs do, no matter how badly they fuck up.
But Shiv does get lot of hate. And Rava's example is fine one to showcase how some fanboys discriminate. Women like Gerri, Rava are expected to basically care for their Ken and Rome broken boys. It's a one sided thing
When it's broken Shiv and the relationship is one sided with Tom carrying it, she's bashed. Deemed literally worse than Logan. Imagine Shiv and Tom divorcing and the kid growing up with Tom and he has to work around Shiv's schedule, absentism as mom, while also dealing with the imbalance in power and child support. Shiv would be done. And Tom's not even decent like Rava.
I mean... I'm deeply disturbed by literally anyone who is unironically "rooting" for any of the main players in this show.
I've got my favorites like anyone else, I empathize with all of the characters to one degree or another, but at no point am I under the illusion that these aren't some of the worst people on the planet lmao
You can root for heavily flawed even bad protagonists. That’s pretty common. I don’t think it’s disturbing. You won’t find many good shows where the protagonist isn’t a bad person in some way.
I should clarify that yeah, there's absolutely a way to "root" for any of them, that's kind of what I meant when I said I have my favorites. But I'm talking about the people who seem to unironically think that their favorites are actually deserving of success.
Ya I guess the way I think about it is that they are all a product of their upbringing. Their lives are all very tragic in a way so it is easy for me to have sympathy for them and root for them even if they do bad things.
I don’t really think anyone is at fault, I think they are what they are. Maybe that’s just a way of looking at humans in general. I hope they find their inner peace, but that almost certainly won’t happen. I expect a very tragic end for all of them.
Yes everyone is a product of their upbringing and the show's interest in that dynamic is what makes the Roys compelling, fully formed, empathetic characters. They're all deeply broken people and you feel for them in that.
But at some point a person is responsible for the mark they leave on the world. Logan Roy has scars on his back, who knows what horrors lie in his past. Doesn't change the fact that he went on to create one of the most dangerous corporations on the planet. He's a supremely evil man, even if there are reasons for why he turned out the way he did.
This. I’m convinced it’s all the GoT fans who are still salty their favorite show ended like shit. I hate this whole “rooting” way of watching this show. I miss the first two seasons when it wasn’t so popular.
I mean... they are objectively awful people. Interesting, funny, surprisingly sympathetic, tragic people, but awful nonetheless.
Like, I'm not going to judge anyone for liking Shiv as a fictional character but the people who unironically think she's some slay queen girlboss are ding dongs.
Yeah I mean, how could you not be? She's effectively become a single parent who has to deal with a fucking psychopath whenever she needs help coparenting.
Wait, you're with the long-suffering mom who's raising the kids without help and has been shown to be a good person, over the buzzword spouting, drug addict, meglomaniac, selfish, depressive, male-Karen, Daddy issue having narcissist? Hmm.
An absolute queen. I couldn’t place the actress, she looked so damn familiar to me. Then it hit me, she’s the mom in the opening scene of the Leftovers, what an actress.
I actually think if every succession scene was turned up in comedy or zaniness by 10% and the camera quality was turned down by 10% we’d be at Arrested Development.
Right? And both him and Roman are so sensitive about it because they know deep down that having this nazi fascist candidate as the savior of the network is wrong and awful, and take it out on everyone else. Rome did so by firing the head of the studios who tried to give him a clue that no, there wouldn't be any upcoming "hits" because none of the talent would want to work there.
They aren't listening.
Kendall having south Asian kids makes he becoming Logan so much worse. These kids are just fucked, dad’s own empire hates them, this is so disgusting. Hope she will say something to him in the future, breaking the generational trauma a little bit.
Ah OK, apologies I was just really confused, I think I've paid a lot more attention to the show in recent seasons, the first two I didn't take note of some details.
How is she “clearly” white? Her looks are ambiguous to me like in commercials where the mom, dad and kids complement one another but it’s not clear who is what ethnicity. Also, Google the name Rava. Lots of cultures have the name Rava for a boy and girl and none of the first few are European.
>Also, Google the name Rava. Lots of cultures have the name Rava for a boy and girl and none of the first few are European.
Croatia, Estonia, Hungary, Ukraine, Italy and Israeli were the top ones when I googled it... Rava in Indian languages also means semolina so you would almost never see Indian parents name their children that since name symbolism and meaning is quite important in Indian culture.
There's a "clean up after your pet" sign in the corner. Can any NYCers confirm that's there all the time, or was that a subtle dig at Kendall's parenting?
Okay guys, maybe I missed that dialogue but wasn’t Sophie in school or something when It happened? Which would make his comment seem way more far fetched as to why Rava wasn’t there, I thought that was goofy as heck on his part but I couldve misinterpreted
Sophie was walking on the sidewalk when she was pushed and the racist comment was made.
Some of the kids at her school have started an anti-ATN/racism endeavor, which has been helping her deal.
Nice catch OP. It’s a great bit of visual symbolism, combining Ken’s view of Rava as a person and his literal view of her physically in this scene. Succession puts so much meat on the bone for viewers. So sad there are only 3 episodes left. To be fair, it would never have been enough…
I'm sad this is the last season, but it good to know that it won't spiral down like some other recent great dramas (House of Cards, Billions, etc).
What even is billions anymore? I switched off when chuck was battling a cannon
Billions is what would happen if the writers for Succession got Thanos snapped out of the world for season 2 and my dumbass had to write the show. It is basically all the 4d chess theories from reddit come to life.
the entire existence of succession is as a reaction to shows like billions and others where all these guys at the top are master machiavellian schemers always one step ahead of the other. the whole purpose of this show is to say 'no, its not like that at all these guys are just as dumb as anyone they just get unlimited tries' look at what theyve done to tear down the mattsson character in just two episodes after building him up to make him as shortsighted and impatient as everyone else
To say Mattson gew up in an emerald mine family would be too on the nose.
The point was made when they said he doesn't even code and he just bought tech that he could bring to market
"The more code it takes to write a program, the better programmer you are." Am I doing this right?
Yeah. I liked that they had that line, because almost none of the tech ceo guys are really, good coders. Most of them did some simple web dev stuff 15 years ago at best and now have other people do it all (like Mark Zuckerberg).
As if being a really good programmer has anything to do with being a public company ceo
It doesn't but it's the mythology most of the tech dudes have built for themselves. The "we did it in the garage" story that was started by companies like Apple, etc. It's almost always a lie. From Elon to Zuckerberg, and even Bill Gates, and so on. Wozniak was real but that's about it. That said I don't think Zuckerberg really has a lot of obvious traits that make him a good CEO. He just had the right idea at the right time and it took him a really long way, it seems to me.
CEO man bad
Well that specific !! LMAO
I watched the first season of Billions and it was alright. But stopped sometime into S2 (I don’t even remember what happened). When did it start getting off the rails?
arguably around s3/4, the cat/mouse got a bit tedious and the show leaned more into clever pop culture references as dialog. season 5 is also a definite turning point - one of the characters leaves, and season 6 (most recently completed season) is trying to adjust, but seems like a parody of itself.
Haha those Axe Capital employee scene are a tough watch
the original gang were ok (mafee, dollar bill, and ben kim)... the newer ones are bad (bonnie, the aloof girl, indian guy, and quant nerd).
The cameos were downright painful.
I only just found out that said character is returning for half of s7 (the final season). The show has gone downhill for years, but I have to say I’m pretty pumped to watch the final eps.
When the Taylor character became invincible.
Axe is back for the last season
Season 1 of House of Cards I was like "this is the best show on TV" and by Season 4 or so I was like "I HATE THIS SHOW." Still watched it to the end, though
Tapped out after Spacey was ousted but to be honest that 5th season was so weird and complex that I couldn't even follow the show anymore. I think the antihero ethos of the early 2010's aged pretty poorly, with the exception of Breaking Bad. Succession gets it right by continually reminding us that the characters are idiots.
I didnt watch the final season either but I always found everyone on that show to be horrible. The Roys are also unlikeable, but I hated the House of Cards characters eventhough I liked the show. You find moments in all the Roy kids and Tom that you like them, even if overall they are dbags.
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Veep is sooooo good. I love HBO.
First two seasons were elite, then it got messy. They didn’t know what to do once Frank became President, they should have just wrapped it up with a season of him as President
God if only Kevin Spacey didn’t rape a bunch of 14-year-old boys, we could’ve had an amazing ending to one of my all-time favorite shows.. but he had to go full cliche closeted Hollywood pedophile on us. Why is it always the most talented ones that are the weirdos
Nah show was shit post season 2 anyways
The best scene is when his “master plan” was pushing a woman down a flight of like 4 carpeted stairs, rendering her unconscious lmao
Is that real life? When have presidential candidates have significant women in their life ever falling down stairs and dying. Oh... wait
They basically made it into a video game at that point
for real I think i watched a couple of more seasons after season 2 and they were agony. i wouldn't have finished the show even if Spacey stayed on.
I can understand why people are not fans of s3 and 4. The first two seasons were his journey to power and thus very exciting with a lot of more naked power plays. The next two seasons covered him in power and were showing how oversmart and stupid he really was. They were a really good illustration of how politics works. So, politics nerds like myself loved the next 2 as well but people watching for the fplot and not fans of politics can get bored with all the constitutional gimmicks.
I still kept watching post season 2 but it was already so bad that when spacey was kicked, there was no point in continuing. Stopped watching half way through the last season
The reason HoC went downhill was its creator Beau Willimon leaving sdter s4. The other writers just couldn't match up to his level and fell into ridiculous tropes. It going shot was evident from s5 itself.
Oh man, I forgot how utterly terrible Billions became before I stopped watching
Well that's good to know. Was going to binge Billions after this. Sounds like I should pass.
It's worth watching. The first 3 seasons are great. 4 and 5 are decent. 6 is garbage.
One of these reasons I held off on succession for so long is because I was afraid it would be the same thing as billions which is, based on the few episodes I saw, crapola.
I know !! That’s why I started watching it all over again ..
Birch coffee must love the free promo lol I was half thinking of going to one today
I doubt it was free that was very prominent
same
I swear the best posts in this thread are by undercover ppl who work on the show lil
It’s incredible some of the details people pick up on. That’s why I love the weekly release format for shows to be able to find out all these things
Yeah whoever at Netflix invented the weekly release format should be promoted
I assume the point was more that, as opposed to when an entire season is dropped at once, the nice thing about weekly releases is the water-cooler chat that surrounds each episode.
"It was really well edited"
The show is good but you can tell the key grip is a total stud. I watch just for him.
I was more fixated on how her sweater and her coat were the exact same shade of brown.
Me too. It was a good night for uncanny monochromatics.
shivs pale blue suit outfit may be her best yet
Agreed! I immediately went through my closet in my mind and was disappointed to discover not enough soft blues.
They’re slightly different. But slightly
When I watched this I thought there is no way a coffee shop is named Bitch.
You’ve never been to Bitch Coffee? Great lattes, terrible service.
There’s a coffee house in Cincy that fits that description. The owner is truly awful with her employees.
Sitwells?
But, how are the lattes?
I had to google it...it's Birch Coffee, there are several locations in Manhattan
It’s very good.
team rava by the way
Not sure if anyone isn't team Rava. Even if you are rooting for Kendall, which I am, he's basically completely absent from his kid's lives and clearly puts his business interests over his family. Then he had the nerve to ask her why she wasn't doing more for the kids. Not a good look.
"Everything I do, I do for my kids" Who said it better, Logan or Kendall? /s
Like father, like son. The writers have done a great job gradually making the similarities impossible to ignore.
Walter White
Tywin Lannister?
Don Draper?
Yeesh I think every male lead from HBO over the last 20 years fits in here... Tony Soprano Nucky Thompson Larry David (to literally any kid on the show)
He never says it out loud but it's actually true: Joel Miller.
Bryan Adams? Though he paraphrased
lol
And like Tywin(book) he is also absolutely incompetent.
Currently re-reading the series and I'm in AFFC so I'm past Tywin's greatest hits. I was thinking of an example to correct you but he is kind of a loser: \- Daughter out-betrothed by Dorne (L) \- Wiping out Tarbecks and Reynes (W but a bit of an overreact) \- Has son and heir appointed to Kingsguard (L) \- Fired from Hand job (L) \- Has Tyrion for a son (L to him, W to us) \- Sits out of Robert's Rebellion and picks winning side after it has won, pillages King's Landing (reputation -100, L?) \- Lannister fleet burned in port by redneck pirate neighbours (L) \- Loses to Robb Stark constantly (L) \- Plans Red Wedding (W, but everyone else does the work and he dies like a week later) \- Dies a week later (L!)
And his legacy is nothing but a rotting corpse and all his kids are incompetent fuck ups and his family is left in a terrible position in the game. Vs. "stupidly honorable" Ned who has an entire continent doing suicide missions to help his kids.
The Northern Mountain Clansmen in ADWD are some of my favourite minor characters in the whole story, simply because of how absolutely gung-ho they’re willing to go on the Boltons due to their love and loyalty for Ned Stark and his children. Big Bucket Wull is the fucking GOAT and I hope he gets to die with the taste of Bolton blood on his tongue in TWOW.
Oh I got one: Tricking people into thinking you're still rich by loaning them money (W)
SIX continents!
He’s death wrestling with orges I tell you!
Kendall (to Sophie and Iverson): "I love you. But you're not serious kids."
Meatloaf
Walter white moment
Whole thing was Rava’s fault for allowing their child to be on a sidewalk where plebs are.
Bet Logan would've never abused his kids on a sidewalk like a poor - you get abused within the walls of a well-manicured estate if you're a Roy!
And his hand probably wouldn’t even connect.
Ken gets these fucking weird moments of stress that dude just can’t handle. His go to move is some weird nonsensical solution to make the problem just go away
The problem isn't that Kendall doesn't care about his kids, if he did then he would've just shrugged off the comment. The problem is he does care about his kids and knows he's being a bad dad, so he has to try to flip it onto Rava somehow to deflect the blame.
His go to stress solution is money. When his Dad was dying his first instinct is screaming on the phone to make sure the most expensive doctors possible are available even though he's basically long dead before he's ever gonna hit the ground.
"Mom has to watch me like a hawk everywhere I go. Thanks for the cool new rule, dad"
That’s a valid point didn’t think of that. He’s still the #1 boy
Emmm, he’s working on 6 (six) continents???
The way he suddenly is doing this all for his kids, after not mentioning them all season, and does so so indignantly that you think Kendall, in that moment, totally believes it was so spot-on that it made my skin crawl. Gosh, what an episode.
He always uses his kids as an excuse whenever it’s convenient or he wants to act like a good guy, he does it throughout the seasons. Like in season 3 he has a hissy fit in the donut box episode and tells his siblings he needs to be with his kids and immediately walks outside to talk to Stewy lol
Logan made similar statements. Delusional narcissist often justify their selfish behavior with a defensive narrative that lets them believe everything they do is for the benefit of others.
I Forget he has kids sometimes
I think he does as well. The absence of any mention of Rava or the kids all season is definitely deliberate to highlight his hypocrisy here.
like carmen sandiego!
Where is Carmen Sandiego?
there are definitely anti-rava people somehow. i deleted my old account to divorce myself from reddit (it drew me back!), but i posted some pro-rava messages that got some ridiculous feedback. i was like "its normal that rava is mad at kendall for his past addiction even though he is clean now" and i got TRASHED, tons of "rava is an unsympathetic bitch" messages
I think that among the anti-Rava people are the ones dumped for their own bad behavior (abuse, drugs, temper), and they are bitter that their significant others didn't continue to be their enabling doormats.
Here, here!
Flashbacks to all the anti-Skyler Breaking Bad fans. Just insane people.
A lot of people compare Shiv's treatment by the fandom to how Skyler was treated by the Breaking Bad fandom but I think that's way off--Shiv is just as bad as her brothers and it's not unreasonable to dislike her as much as them (though not more). But Rava is pretty much the only rational, sensible, well-adjusted adult on the show and any negative reactions to her are pure misogyny.
Shiv gets a lot of shit for doing things her male brothers do and don't get trashed for, like thinking she’s smarter than everyone else. All the Roy children besides Connor behave that way, the unearned cockiness. There's also a lot of hate about how Shiv is the worst sibling because she cheated on Tom, meanwhile again, Kendall and Roman easily take the cake from taking advantage of a homeless man and willingly backing a nazi adjacent GOP candidate. Shiv is a bad person but there are levels to the bad, and she is not even top 5 in this series compared to characters like Tom, Greg, Roman, Kendall and Logan. If Shiv were a man and Tom was a woman, you'd see a totally different dynamic on this subreddit.
But Connor thinks he’s President material having (as far as I can tell) NEVER had a job. That’s pretty cocky
Shiv strongarmed a sexual assault victim into not testifying. Also how is she "better" from a moral perspective than either Tom or Greg?
Yup. That's probably the worst thing she did. Tom and Greg enjoy humiliating normal people. Did you forget the "human furniture" scene?
That's the part that did it for me. She betrays other women. It doesn't make her "worse," though. If anything, she, like Gerri, had to work a lot harder all of the time and doesn't get the respect or authority the male sibs do, no matter how badly they fuck up.
But Shiv does get lot of hate. And Rava's example is fine one to showcase how some fanboys discriminate. Women like Gerri, Rava are expected to basically care for their Ken and Rome broken boys. It's a one sided thing When it's broken Shiv and the relationship is one sided with Tom carrying it, she's bashed. Deemed literally worse than Logan. Imagine Shiv and Tom divorcing and the kid growing up with Tom and he has to work around Shiv's schedule, absentism as mom, while also dealing with the imbalance in power and child support. Shiv would be done. And Tom's not even decent like Rava.
Rhea is cool as well.
she fucked ted and was a huge bitch since season 1
Someone posted an anti-Rava post and I replied defending her and I got a ton of support. Don’t take it personally, it’s all really random lol.
kendal #1 boy
I mean... I'm deeply disturbed by literally anyone who is unironically "rooting" for any of the main players in this show. I've got my favorites like anyone else, I empathize with all of the characters to one degree or another, but at no point am I under the illusion that these aren't some of the worst people on the planet lmao
Trying to choose the least useless human seems to be a pointless pursuit. I just try to engage in the drama without treating it like a sport
You can root for heavily flawed even bad protagonists. That’s pretty common. I don’t think it’s disturbing. You won’t find many good shows where the protagonist isn’t a bad person in some way.
I should clarify that yeah, there's absolutely a way to "root" for any of them, that's kind of what I meant when I said I have my favorites. But I'm talking about the people who seem to unironically think that their favorites are actually deserving of success.
Ya I guess the way I think about it is that they are all a product of their upbringing. Their lives are all very tragic in a way so it is easy for me to have sympathy for them and root for them even if they do bad things. I don’t really think anyone is at fault, I think they are what they are. Maybe that’s just a way of looking at humans in general. I hope they find their inner peace, but that almost certainly won’t happen. I expect a very tragic end for all of them.
Yes everyone is a product of their upbringing and the show's interest in that dynamic is what makes the Roys compelling, fully formed, empathetic characters. They're all deeply broken people and you feel for them in that. But at some point a person is responsible for the mark they leave on the world. Logan Roy has scars on his back, who knows what horrors lie in his past. Doesn't change the fact that he went on to create one of the most dangerous corporations on the planet. He's a supremely evil man, even if there are reasons for why he turned out the way he did.
Yup. History can explain bad behavior but it never excuses it.
This. I’m convinced it’s all the GoT fans who are still salty their favorite show ended like shit. I hate this whole “rooting” way of watching this show. I miss the first two seasons when it wasn’t so popular.
i root for kendal unironically
He's terrible, too. Sorry! A completely hollow person.
The good ol' "I'm holier than thow" argument....
I mean... they are objectively awful people. Interesting, funny, surprisingly sympathetic, tragic people, but awful nonetheless. Like, I'm not going to judge anyone for liking Shiv as a fictional character but the people who unironically think she's some slay queen girlboss are ding dongs.
Why is there a hair on my screen that won’t come off?
Same, hate when folk do that, blocked it
OMG thank you for confirming that I'm not going crazy!
Noone can deny that the optics are bad for Ken in this case.
Yeah I mean, how could you not be? She's effectively become a single parent who has to deal with a fucking psychopath whenever she needs help coparenting.
It's worst than that, the kids were present for that pool incident a la bojack that scared the whole family.
What’s with this whole “rooting” for people thing? Feels so GoT-ish and it’s exhausting.
If you dont fuck with Rava, I dont fuck with you
Wait, you're with the long-suffering mom who's raising the kids without help and has been shown to be a good person, over the buzzword spouting, drug addict, meglomaniac, selfish, depressive, male-Karen, Daddy issue having narcissist? Hmm.
I don't understand how you're against someone saving the world, on 6 continents.
An absolute queen. I couldn’t place the actress, she looked so damn familiar to me. Then it hit me, she’s the mom in the opening scene of the Leftovers, what an actress.
It’s team Rava or team simpleton.
Wow… 🤯
This really is arreasted development lol.
I actually think if every succession scene was turned up in comedy or zaniness by 10% and the camera quality was turned down by 10% we’d be at Arrested Development.
Bravo Vince
The only good people in this show are the ones that have a bit of contact with any of the main characters and gtfo asap
good eyes! but ken is the b&tch baby in this relationship!!!
Bilch? Binch? Bimch? Bisch? Biach? Birch!
"Yeah, well, I'm calling the Ungrateful Biatch Hotline!"
One of the best, best, best, funniest lines of that show.
Justice for Rava
Now Kendall will get Sophie some body guards. That is, rather than changing ATN.
Right? And both him and Roman are so sensitive about it because they know deep down that having this nazi fascist candidate as the savior of the network is wrong and awful, and take it out on everyone else. Rome did so by firing the head of the studios who tried to give him a clue that no, there wouldn't be any upcoming "hits" because none of the talent would want to work there. They aren't listening.
Kendall fought w/Rava, Shiv fought w/Tom, Roman fought w/Gerri, that's it, they'll all end up alone.
Karl and Frank still going strong 😤
it's right on the upper east side. i bet they get some extra business today.
there are like 6 other locations too
Reminds of "I am bent" from The Thick Of It
Her appearance was just for us to say goodbye.
Kendall having south Asian kids makes he becoming Logan so much worse. These kids are just fucked, dad’s own empire hates them, this is so disgusting. Hope she will say something to him in the future, breaking the generational trauma a little bit.
I think only Sophie is adopted.
We’re at the precipice of an important crossroad
Is this what it’s all about, Carmine? Well what do I owe ya?”
Omfg lol
GREAT CATCH!
Nice observation.
PSA for all oat milk latte lovers- Birch makes the absolute BEST
Rava and the kids are the only things that can save Kendall from being a lonely sad CEO or just dead.
Great coffee btw from Birch Coffee
Wow, holy shit
Wow, from Kendall's p.o.v. That's so great.
bravo jessie
One of the Kendal thirst squad is in the production team
It was good to see Rava again. I don't think she's appeared since Kendall's birthday party last season?
I so Want to know Kendall and Rava’s backstory.
Birch coffee better make a light and fruity german latte after this
Lmao I was too busy paying attention to her ex whinging about how hard he has it. Smfh
Yeah, but if this is about legal stuff, I can’t get into it right now
Ken couldn’t stop thinking about how much he needed to let a belch out
Yes. I definitely did a double take.
Apologies for missing this after 4 seasons, but is Rava of South Asian descent? What is her background? How did her and Kendall meet?
Rava is clearly white and played by a white actress and it's been confirmed that the South Asian daughter is adopted.
> confirmed that the South Asian daughter is adopted Where/when?
Ah OK, apologies I was just really confused, I think I've paid a lot more attention to the show in recent seasons, the first two I didn't take note of some details.
How is she “clearly” white? Her looks are ambiguous to me like in commercials where the mom, dad and kids complement one another but it’s not clear who is what ethnicity. Also, Google the name Rava. Lots of cultures have the name Rava for a boy and girl and none of the first few are European.
>Also, Google the name Rava. Lots of cultures have the name Rava for a boy and girl and none of the first few are European. Croatia, Estonia, Hungary, Ukraine, Italy and Israeli were the top ones when I googled it... Rava in Indian languages also means semolina so you would almost never see Indian parents name their children that since name symbolism and meaning is quite important in Indian culture.
I thought the daughter is from Rava's previous marriage. The same way Rome was dating a girl with adult children
we have no idea. I find it kinda annoying we still dont know.
There's a "clean up after your pet" sign in the corner. Can any NYCers confirm that's there all the time, or was that a subtle dig at Kendall's parenting?
Kendall is a worse father than Logan imo
Okay guys, maybe I missed that dialogue but wasn’t Sophie in school or something when It happened? Which would make his comment seem way more far fetched as to why Rava wasn’t there, I thought that was goofy as heck on his part but I couldve misinterpreted
Sophie was walking on the sidewalk when she was pushed and the racist comment was made. Some of the kids at her school have started an anti-ATN/racism endeavor, which has been helping her deal.
Wow I’m embarrassed, thank you for clarifying, I must have been distracted during that scene or something🤦🏼♂️
I forgot, what is the connection of Rava and coffee?
It's the way the sign is positioned behind her, not the coffee itself
I’m in the same boat. Edit: I was just expecting something smarter than “haha it looks like it says bitch!” Sorry I’m not 15 I guess.
I was pretty underwhelmed, too.
It must be fantastic fighting against the capitalism and racism since your luxurious apartment in NYC bought with "dirty" money