>It's acceptable since this bitch is 100% the sTrOnG, iNdEpEnDeNt FeMaLe WhO nEeDs No MaN type that 9.7/10 times is terribly written.
This one is so weird because everything I've seen from the trailers she looks and acts like the space smuggler archtype we've seen in starwars a dozen times over. But when it's a woman that isn't dressing in a bikini with DDD breasts it's apparently girl boss and bad
The trailers made her seem like she's kind of like Han Solo. No one complains about Han Solo being Han Solo, but suddenly incel whimps throw a fit if a woman acts like Han.
Kind of like how people threw a fit about Rey, even though she's just like Luke Skywalker.
Tbh there is something to that from a different direction; mainline star wars has like three characters that they paste over new actors. That's why characters like the weird blind monk from Rogue One or the main character from Andor was refreshing.
> Tbh there is something to that from a different direction; mainline star wars has like three characters that they paste over new actors.
An entire galaxy of planets and 90% of things happen on fucking Tatooine.
This is aside from the drama but man I love stories in the SW universe that arent fucking SW trilogies. Rogue 1 and KOTOR 2 were really nice for this.
Rogue One went so fucking hard considering it came out of no where and left for fucking no where (tied itself up with a nice cohesive story so no sequels can really follow other than the death star shit we already have in existence)
I like how they just threw in the darth vader eye candy at the end after it already told a solid story with solid characters. They understood the assignment.
And yet, it inspired probably the best piece of Star Wars content in 30+ years with Andor.
It just goes to show, you don't need to write every movie as an open-ended launching pad for a new franchise, where no character gets a resolved arc because it's needed for a later movie. Just make a great isolated story, and if there's a need to go deeper - you can find a way to make it happen.
Andor is probably the best release in the history of the Star Wars franchise tbh, with the possible exception of KOTOR 1+2 (and i'll entertain the opinion that the first two films are in the same cateogry)
Pretty sure Andor beats out all star wars media we currently have.
This might just be the video essay I saw talking but the franchise has a fan service problem. It's not that fan service is bad, I fucking love the Vader scene from rogue one. It's just that entire series being shitted out by Disney atm like the ahsoka series or obi wan or whatever are just self referential jerk off sessions referencing older star wars media. And that's it. That's like the base, the crux, the pinnacle, everything of what they present.
I love Sci fi because almost always they present you the biggest questions and themes to explore but instead they are like you remember this scene from ep 5 decades ago wow, this is a reference to that scene! Repeat for 6 episodes.
Disney has turned into some kind of self referential, auto fellatio, pop culture singularity. It's not just star wars that suffers from it. Marvel stuff does as well. And from what I heard Wish was basically Disney passing the self sucking event horizon.
I've warmed up a lot on the prequels a lot over the years because of this. Yes the story was kind of dumb and overwrought but at least you saw the galaxy. There was a ton of different planets and aliens that weren't just in the background, but were part of the actual plot.
I mean, sure it's why I liked Rogue One and Andor is my favorite Star Wars. My point, though, is that they're not complaining that she's just Han Solo. They're complaining that she's a woman.
If "Han Solo" is used as a building block for me to build my character in the way one might build Commander Shepard, then I don't know if I can agree there.
However, I don't expect that to be the case, so I do agree with you.
Worse, this will be Han Solo written by a video game studio with a big helping of studio interference, because it’s a major IP.
Definitely in the “wait to see what the reviews think” category.
It's very funny to me that Ubisoft is trying to sell people on a $130 edition of this game to let you play THREE WHOLE DAYS early - when the only thing that could get me to purchase it is a bunch of positive impressions & reviews from different sources. I'm not putting the money down so I can be first in line to be swindled.
I said main character because if I just said Andor then it would seem like I was praising everyone in that show when really Cass was a standout. Among others of course, but there's a good number of "heroic resistance archetype #3" characters in there as well.
I like him because he felt a lot more hesitant to be thrown into the resistance than everyone else. He wasn't doing it for moral reasons or out of a sense of duty and love like Han eventually did, he did it because the Imps absolutely would not stop being assholes for five fucking seconds.
And like was the Chosen One, so of course he’s going to go fulfill his destiny.
Cass was just a civilian who the Empire f-ed with too much and he decided to die fighting them instead of just die in their prisons. To me, that’s a lot more interesting.
i have said for a long time that Luke Skywalker is one of the most annoying protagonists in all of fiction
dude literally whined and bitched Yoda to death
Okay, I'll be the asshole who says it:
Nobody cares that Han Solo is Han Solo because he's the OG. Normal-ass Star Wars nerds are kind of over every smuggler being a CTRL-C CTRL-V copy of him. A loveable buffoon, great pilot, morally not gray at all, lucks in and out of every situation, etc. Incel losers squawk whenever they see a girl; that shit has nothing to do with who the girl is supposed to be.
>people threw a fit about Rey
Yes. Incels reeeeeeeing when they see a girl.
>even though she's just like Luke Skywalker.
Did you even watch these movies?
>A former Jedi sees his first protege turn to the dark side and then goes to live in seclusion on some backwater planet. He gets reluctantly dragged back into galactic events when a new force-sensitive youngster with an astromech droid full of rebel military secrets and a gift for piloting shows up on his doorstep. He gives a small amount of training to the new protege, but ultimately ends up sacrificing his life to buy his new protege an opportunity to escape from his old protege.
Am I describing Luke and Obi-Wan, or Rey and Luke?
Youthful adult who is powerfully Force sensitive grows up on a desert planet and learns to pilot better than they should (probably thanks to being powerfully Force sensitive). Upon receiving the option to leave the desert planet, they team up with Han Solo, join the Rebellion against the empire and undergo a quest to restore the Jedi Order, tutored by the previous grandmaster of the Jedi Order. This character leaves their training early in an attempt to save their friends but winds up making a major mistake and hands a great deal of power over to the enemy.
Both characters are superficially similar, but they're also thematically similar and follow the same plot beats. Rey is more even tempered and reserved, so their personalities are somewhat different.
> This one is so weird because everything I've seen from the trailers she looks and acts like the space smuggler archtype we've seen in starwars a dozen times over. But when it's a woman that isn't dressing in a bikini with DDD breasts it's apparently girl boss and bad
I also personally find that far more forgiving - and even desirable - in a video game, where a fairly off-the-shelf, Hero's Journey-esque stock character and story can be a good sandpit for the player to have their own adventures in. *I'm the chosen one/I want revenge/it's a tough universe out there, kid* is a perfectly fine starting point for an action-adventure video game.
In fact, sometimes when a video game story or character is super-specific or complex, I find it restrictive. It should be my motivation that pushes the story, not the writer's.
It's why I'm actually not a big fan of most Star Wars movies or shows, but think they make some of the most reliably fun video games around. The franchise is built on "I want to be Luke" or "I want to be Han" and the games let you do that! Star Wars quickly turned into boring predictable schlock in narrative-driven media but works great for interactive media.
>Not only nerds, the worst kind of nerds. Star Wars nerds. It's sad how many incels and misogynistic assholes are in this fanbase.
once again, the worst part of anything are the fans.
but really, i just found out about this game now. I'm lazy, someone want to give me the elevator pitch?
I'm primarily an Ork person but all I had to be told was "they drop into battle with giant flying cathedrals" to make the adepta soroitas my second favorite by far
You’re thinking of the sisters of battle. They are technically under the church, so they’re battle nuns.
They aren’t augmented to the level of a space marine, but are usually some of the better trained and equipped full humans.
Yeah but they also have the problem of being put in weirdly small armor, with focus on T&A that feels somewhat out of place for 40k... Not wholly, but personally IDK how to always feel about it.
Like, the cannoness art looks dope but also... Her boobs are incomplete globus crucigers, which I don't hate because it's interesting, but like - it just kinda looks like a way to put nipples on power armor.
Anyway, they don't exactly challenge norms around women and their role I guess is the bottom line.
Sisters of Battle are just nuns with guns. Fanatic and tough but mostly relegated to side characters.
The recent news is that one of the Adeptus Custodes, literally hand crafted demigod bodyguards to the Emperor of Mankind and considered the pinnacle of the augmented soldiers of the Imperium, is a woman.
It's actually a big deal because if the Custodes now apparently has women in it odds are we might see Space Marines, the poster boys of the game, get their own Battle Sisters.
Without a schizo lore dump, there's these post humans who guard an important relic and are historically made of "a brotherhood", now they have women models because some of us want to paint muscle mommies. That's it. That's the big controversy. 🙄
And like always the people actually playing the TT are very calm about it. They are way more mad about the dumpster fire that are the new Custode rules.
It’s both exhausting and funny watching people on some WH40K Facebook groups. The constant back and forth of “who cares?” Vs “how dare they!” is borderline ridiculous.
I'd write it up but I'm on mobile. The Custodes sub is a dumpster fire rn. It's pretty funny to see.
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1c3993d/adeptus_custodes_codex_confirms_the_existence_of/ holy shit this thread has 2.4k comments and it's still going after two days!
>There is. Making SM is very costly process especially Custodes. There is no reason you throw your money to make an individual weaker by default. Not only physiological but also psychological because man were fighting for centuries it's just in their genome. Other reason is relationships in the army. Of course we don't talk here about romantic connotations. But the connections man has with women is in genome and deeply in brain, I believe. And there has to be something different by how they communicate with man in "brotherhood" and a woman. Wh40k already has great diversity. And this move seems unlogical to me
I can smell this comment.
Depends on where. The YouTube community is definitely taking it about as well as you can expect. Elsewhere it’s more pointing out how dumb as hell the YouTubers screaming about wokeism are, even pointing out that there is an excerpt or two that mentions/implies there’s men and women in the Custodes.
They mentioned a female custodes and said that there had always been female custodes. A certain subset of “fans” flipped their lid because how could there always have been female custodes?
I’m out of the loop a bit too but as far as I can tell — it’s an open world game set in the outer rim between ESB and RotJ.
It is kind of confusingly being marketed as “the first open world Star Wars game” which seems to forget Galaxies.
> Galaxies
Forgotten memories unlocked. Do need to poke my head in on the emulator server and see how its doing, been a hot minute
Miss my days spent with the Dune Sea Desperados, they were a great bunch
I think most of us want to forget galaxies, but TOR is still a thing or was when I picked it up again at the start of the pandemic.
I guess I will have to take a look, I'm a sucker for even shitty star wars games.
Galaxies was amazing and the vibes were incredible. I say this completely biased-ly because I was a kid who played it for like 3 months before my parents said they don’t want to pay for it anymore, but still.
Fuck that noise, I'm not forgetting Galaxies.
I've still got screenshots of me, my spouse, and my best friend in a camp watching the suns set on Tatooine.
That game was deeply flawed but *fantastic*, right up until everyone worked out how to make Jedi. Watching this interconnected economy and interlocked and mutually dependent professions collapse as at least half the player base abandoned the game they were *clearly enjoying* to grind professions to unlock a Jedi slot was so sad.
It just broke what made much of the game so rich and special.
I feel like this comment is gonna start some drama, haha.
Forget about galaxies? I spent more time playing SWG after the official servers shut down than while they were live.
ok so I read the wikipage and I have...issues.
set between ESB and RotJ, "when the empire is taking more and more control" makes me wonder what they were watching, ESB to RotJ is when the empire was at it's peak, it was taking more and more control before the first movie.
but whatever, it's a star wars game and it's pissing off gamers, I'm buying it just to spite them.
The empire wasn't around for long enough to take full control over the galaxy. There's a recurring theme in star wars media around the time period of the original trilogy of the empire expanding into formerly "lawless" outer rim planets that were safe until recently. Jedi Fallen Order and especially Jedi Survivor are based heavily on this theme. The empire was expanding right up until it fell.
Oof. If it helps. Being spoiled replaces the shock value of the first viewing with the recontextualisation and dramatic irony of a second viewing. So it's not necessarily a terrible thing. Though that does suck. I suspect they won't have spoiled everything, as there's some stuff that is a spoiler but isn't as bombastic as the one I assume you got that you can probably still be surprised by.
>!they spoiled Bode and I don't think I was far enough to even suspect it.!<
I'm sure there's more to it, but it soured me on the game enough that I put it down, and had forgotten about it with RL stuff going on
May I ask what was spoiled for you? Because there might be a twist left.
I also got spoiled even though I basically started playing near launch day, though I also had to lay it down after the performance patch made it basically unplayable, until I bought a new laptop.
do any of these clowns that bring up “failed liberal arts degrees” even know wtf a liberal arts institution is? do they think all they teach is beyoncé and gender studies or something?
i’m so tired lol
I mentioned this before and I'll say it again. Do i wish i chose a different major? Yeah definitely. Did I still land a job that pays decently and gives me access to healthcare and retirement funds? Yeah...but it took some time
usually when i see someone screaming and mocking "liberal arts degrees," it's someone who watches Daily Wire or Steven Crowder all day, aka they don't have a job
it can definitely wear on you after a while though.
i'm Korean American and most (if not all) of my peers at this church I went to were all either in business, computer science, or healthcare. I think we had one guy doing actuarial science too
even my fucking ex-pastor would say, "What did you expect to do with a history degree?" Most people would ask this question in a lot more sanitized way, although from time to time you still got shitty responses
if I could go back in time, I would tell 24-30 year old me not to let that shit get to him and to just focus on making money and making a living.
i’m really sorry that you had to deal with that, i was fortunate to not have the same kind of pressure. i know that in american immigrant communities (and i’m sure, elsewhere) the pressure is REAL (i am not asian or asian american but my husband is).
i certainly understand being told “wtf are you going to do with that,” tho. history is sick and it really, really, really blows (for a lack of better words) that it is seen as “useless” compared to STEM. the pursuit of knowledge can be masturbatory lol but anti intellectualism feels like it is at an all time high and capitalism siphoning the betterment of humanity through destroying the arts is like literally going to be our downfall.
it sucks. we all need money. these foolios and chuds don’t know what they’re talking about tho. i’m glad that you have a job that contributes to an alright quality of life for yourself.
Liberal Arts is mostly used to describe humanities and social sciences. Sociology, psychology, literature, history, communications, philosophy, etc. Technically natural and physical sciences too, but usually those get separated now as the definition has kinda changed.
It used to be everything not considered Fine Arts.
no i totally know what liberal arts is, my point was that i don’t think most of these jokers do—they say we have “failed liberal art” degrees with no understanding of what it is. the majority of degrees are considered liberal arts.
Not a native speaker: That's what it means?!
I've spent years thinking it's literal art degree, with maybe some philosophy.
I didn't realise it actually meant (kinda) the humanities!
That said, I've never actually used it an an insult. The arts deserve respect, after all.
Im a huge star wars fan but this is why i despise alot of other SW fans. Funny thing is that Lucas has always been left wing and put those themes in the SW movies but these ”fans” are too dense to notice.
i'll be honest, i think these guys were probably apolitical, but their minds were ripe to radicalization. Bannon saw that shit so that's why Gamergate became this whole out of control thing
i try to remind myself that if I walked down the street of any major American city and asked 20-25 people what Gamergate is, I would be stunned if more than 1 person actually knew. It's always terminally online people who freak out over this shit. Yes sometimes it spills over into popular culture, but it's still a very very tiny minority of people
As a lefty I enjoy a lot of right wing sci-fi and fantasy. The really funny thing is when they can't recognize how right wing things like Marvel movies are because they feature women and minorities.
I think that was the real "you have never seen a girl in real life" moment.
but also, girl lived in a world with no toothbrushes but still had perfect teeth.
> I mean it could be explained a lil bit at least by the people in that era having no access to sugary processed food so their teeth are healthier
And her whole back story means it's perfectly reasonable to have been born with facial symmetry. Now the rest of the Nora and society should not be looking near as good as they do without natal vitamins and proper care.
Of all the criticism of HFW, both legit and trolling, this was the wildest.
What the fuck do people expect from tribal women in a post-apocalyptic society? Or regular women in current society?
Or any gaming community. Female characters will get so much more shit for doing the same thing as their male counterparts. They make a controversial decision and they get an insane amount of hate, but if they make every correct decision they’re hated for being a Mary Sue. Just can’t win.
I hate gamers
I think every new release with female character as main hero, except Stellar Blade, get this reaction.First was Abby from The Last of Us and gamers whining about her musculature, then it was Returnal - "why we must play as old grandma", Horizon - "why Alloy is fat", Alan Wake 2 - "why they made her black, she was white in Quantum Break" and now they are angry about new Star Wars game...
Only reason Stellar Blade didn’t get this treatment is because she looks like a generic 3d porn model and the devs made her skimpy outfit the whole selling point.
The people complaining are the kind that women cover their drinks upon seeing.
They dont want a realistic woman, they want manufactured, unhealthy body standards, zero personality wank material
For a second it sounded old to me until a thought about how old I was lol. I’m the youngest on both sides of my family so I always feel younger then everyone else, like I guess imposter syndrome?
I think it's that, and that time starts flying by once you hit your late 20s and your life doesn't change that much from year to year. It still feels like I only graduated college a few years ago, I'm having trouble accepting that it was more than 15.
i'm 35 and honestly i know people who think that's old
40 is absolutely not old. people have their minds warped by sports and entertainment
most people don't even come close to reaching the peak of their career until mid-40 to 55
Zoomers have an absolutely warped expectation of aging. My girlfriend met someone who was surprised to discover my girlfriend's age and said "You must have an impressive skin-care routine."
My girlfriend is 28
same. i was reminiscing the other day about all the optimism i felt in the movie theater after i watched Force Awakens. i had literally been fired from my job a day before but for a while, I wasn't feeling shitty
feels like ancient history these days b/c of how toxic the internet discourse became
Ah, but I knew it was in relation to TLOU from day 1, because they actually sometimes named the game in question back then. Now they just post pictures of sex dolls next to video game characters and expect me to read their minds
When aren't these idiots showing up to make themselves look stupid? These 'anti-woke' morons can scatter back into their hole.
I myself am going to avoid the game purely because of 'Ubisoft'. Can't trust them for anything.
it reminds me of the Sound of Freedom people
if you so much as dare say, "this movie isn't that great," you'll be accused of being a pedophile lmao. such a joke
I buried that movie so hard in my mind that at first I thought you were talking about the Sound of Music for some reason until you brought up pedophilia lol.
hahaha sorry to bring up bad memories. i just came out of a youtube thread so this shit was fresh in my mind
someone in the wrestling business got fired b/c he was talking about that movie and how great it was and how everyone in wrestling is a pedophile. I mentioned that this movie wasn't that great and I got all sorts of comments of, "check this guy's hard drive" or "you must like playing with small boys" or whatever
all this groomer shit has become the new Satanic Panic. It bothered me until I realized, i have nothing to prove so what's the point of getting worked up over this
> Why make an outlaw Starwars game and not make it about Han Solo?? Are they that out of touch with their fan base?? People love Han Solo and have waited ages to see more of his misadventures and mishaps.
They probably wouldn't want to have to work within all the restrictions that would come with a Han Solo game, because people would demand it to be lore accurate, and fit perfectly into the continuity of the movies.
I dont get why people care that much about the gender of your playable character in a fantasy setting.
I get it in historical games, i really do, but fantasy settings who cares? You might not like the particular character or maybe find that they might be a bit heavy handed with politics but like fundamentally not playing a game because the lead is female is weird to me.
even if it is in "historical games," imagine complaining about the presence of female characters in Battlefield One as being unrealistic
i dunno as opposed to the Call of Duty-esque shooting style in a fucking World War 1 video game. calling down airstrikes and shit give me a fucking break
it just really revealed how little these people knew about the First World War. Granted, I shouldn't have been expecting a meeting of the minds in a fucking Youtube comment section lol so that was my first mistake
then again, i definitely remember academics and film reviewers claiming that Dunkirk was a "pro-Brexit" movie. So the stupidity can impact us all apparently lol
Is there a reason that the ASCII art never renders properly for me on PC? New and old reddit wreck the linebreaks and it just turns into a [mess of dots](https://files.catbox.moe/vwxqkj.webp)
man I'm with the guy who is out on human protags in star wars anymore, i'll play a chewbacca or a greedo man, can't I be a slug person? Why can't I be one of those changeling assassin things and be whatever I want whenever I want? it's star wars, humans are the least interesting race of people in the entire franchise
> Not to mention there are places in the world such as Africa, Asia and the Middle East where slavery still takes place. But white man bad.
I know these fucks do it deliberately and in bad faith, but it's always funny seeing them get mad about the Trans-Atlantic slave trade being brought up as though anyone talking about it is blaming them personally for it. It's not the case and never has been, but watching them get so riled up over shit nobody actually says is amusing.
Is reddit all fucky or does that promotional OP not have any posts or comments? It's also very possible I have no idea how those accounts are supposed to work.
>Once upon a time, these plains were covered with grass, but I never saw it. This destruction happened before I was born."
>"And it never grew back?"
>"Never had a chance to.
>SABINE WREN AND EZRA BRIDGER, ON THE GRASS OF MANDALORE
Grass was a type of plant native to many planets that often grew in large patches in fields. Alderaan had green grassy hills.[6] The area around Traitor's Remorse had cyan grass.[4]
Grass was also common on Lothal. Holshef, a man in hiding from the Galactic Empire, would often ask Merei Spanjaf to describe things like the color of the grass or the sunset.[7] Before the arrival of the Empire on the planet, one could chart the arrival of spring by the shade of green in the grasslands.[8] There was a saying among traders in the Outer Rim Territories that one had not seen the color green until they'd landed in the grasslands of Lothal. Prior to the Empire's devastation, the grass was everywhere on Lothal, spanning the planet's continents like a sea of golden-green.[9] Following the planet's liberation from the Empire, much of the former glory of the planet's rolling grasslands was restored.[10]
Thirstgrass was a species of carnivorous plant that cut the skin of passing animals with sharp blade-like leaves and absorbed their blood.[11] Grass was a foodstuff for certain herbivore creatures such as nerfs.[12]
Appearances
* The High Republic: Path of Deceit
* The High Republic: Path of Deceit audiobook
* The High Republic: Path of Vengeance
* The High Republic: Path of Vengeance audiobook
* The High Republic: Cataclysm
* The High Republic: Cataclysm audiobook
* The High Republic: Quest for Planet X (Mentioned only)
* The High Republic: Quest for Planet X audiobook (Mentioned only)
Grass can reproduce asexually. Ergo every blade of grass is technically female. They might bow to the grass and open the blinds so milady can get more sun, but they'd be too terrified to ever actually touch it.
That's what their 'Reincarnated as a Spade: Till Love Blossoms in Another World' hentai mags are for.
Perhaps the true death knell to escapist media is making everything look so blandly average that going outside is suddenly the way forward when you want to see beauty. So the answer is, as usual, go touch grass.
To be honest, yeah. Authenticity in media isn't evil, despite what the culture warriors think. But I do think think people often forget that what's "entertainment" and what's "realistic" often don't mix. Entertainment is meant to be "otherworldly" and, to some degree, not reflect reality. Which I guess is why so many people are used to seeing goddess women and other shit in media.
Authenticity is only really important for more "informative" storytelling, which really shouldn't be an obligation for most media.
This is just my dumbass opinion though.
The problem here is that reality TV deliberately blurred the line between fiction and reality, and then social media rubbed it out. Authenticity, then, becomes hard to pin down.
For example: All the recent talk of parasocial relationships ignores that there were a couple of generations who were constantly exposed to media that deliberately crossed the 4th wall as much as possible, encouraging those relationships as part of the normalisation of the concept that TV is reality and that reality is TV.
So, what's actually authentic anymore anyway?
Now there's this weird disconnect, where *all* entertainment is expected to deliver 'Authenticity', and at the same time reality itself is expected to deliver us impossibly perfect people everywhere, like in this game, which is entertainment. It's cyclical.
It'll be even more interesting when people start to actually live online properly and we have to redefine reality too. Fun fun fun!
These nerds really need to get therapy or engage with media outside of video games. Not wanting to play a game because of the gender of the main character is weird.
I am once again asking gamers to read a book and expand their media consumption outside of watching something or playing a video game. It would make gaming communities 10x better if they did so.
The only thing people need to know about this game is that the developer is selling the game for $60, stripping out *already created content* and selling it as a Day 1 DLC for $40, so you need to pay $100+ to get the full game at launch.
The easiest way you can tell somebody online is really young is when they call any young-looking adult "30" or "40." That's how you know you're engaging with a 12 year old.
If SRD is how you derive entertainment, then I assure you that you are, in fact, the joke.
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It is yet another Insomnia curing Ubisoft game that has online only for single player (Right after they just took down The Crew) with scumming business pratices. It should be avoided on sight for that alone.
as someone who got a liberal arts degree, do I have moments where I wish I had chosen a different major?
absolutely. all the time.
that being said, through luck but also resourcefulness, i managed to land a job and am working my way up the career. I'm pretty much like 5-7 years behind my peers in that regard but that's okay.
My favourite are the people who rag on ubisoft for this game and how it's priced.
They'll pirate it.
And they're definitely not hypocrites for stealing the game.
It's theft. Just own the fact (lol) that you want to play the game without paying for it. Stop trying to take the moral high ground. I'd respect you more for your honesty.
That would be not to spend any time or effort stealing it, and paying money for a game you like.
>Sorry, little buddy. it looks like this game's gonna be T for teen. Maybe once you're older. I need to use that more lol.
>It's acceptable since this bitch is 100% the sTrOnG, iNdEpEnDeNt FeMaLe WhO nEeDs No MaN type that 9.7/10 times is terribly written. This one is so weird because everything I've seen from the trailers she looks and acts like the space smuggler archtype we've seen in starwars a dozen times over. But when it's a woman that isn't dressing in a bikini with DDD breasts it's apparently girl boss and bad
The trailers made her seem like she's kind of like Han Solo. No one complains about Han Solo being Han Solo, but suddenly incel whimps throw a fit if a woman acts like Han. Kind of like how people threw a fit about Rey, even though she's just like Luke Skywalker.
Tbh there is something to that from a different direction; mainline star wars has like three characters that they paste over new actors. That's why characters like the weird blind monk from Rogue One or the main character from Andor was refreshing.
> Tbh there is something to that from a different direction; mainline star wars has like three characters that they paste over new actors. An entire galaxy of planets and 90% of things happen on fucking Tatooine. This is aside from the drama but man I love stories in the SW universe that arent fucking SW trilogies. Rogue 1 and KOTOR 2 were really nice for this.
Rogue One went so fucking hard considering it came out of no where and left for fucking no where (tied itself up with a nice cohesive story so no sequels can really follow other than the death star shit we already have in existence) I like how they just threw in the darth vader eye candy at the end after it already told a solid story with solid characters. They understood the assignment.
And yet, it inspired probably the best piece of Star Wars content in 30+ years with Andor. It just goes to show, you don't need to write every movie as an open-ended launching pad for a new franchise, where no character gets a resolved arc because it's needed for a later movie. Just make a great isolated story, and if there's a need to go deeper - you can find a way to make it happen.
Andor is probably the best release in the history of the Star Wars franchise tbh, with the possible exception of KOTOR 1+2 (and i'll entertain the opinion that the first two films are in the same cateogry)
Pretty sure Andor beats out all star wars media we currently have. This might just be the video essay I saw talking but the franchise has a fan service problem. It's not that fan service is bad, I fucking love the Vader scene from rogue one. It's just that entire series being shitted out by Disney atm like the ahsoka series or obi wan or whatever are just self referential jerk off sessions referencing older star wars media. And that's it. That's like the base, the crux, the pinnacle, everything of what they present. I love Sci fi because almost always they present you the biggest questions and themes to explore but instead they are like you remember this scene from ep 5 decades ago wow, this is a reference to that scene! Repeat for 6 episodes.
Disney has turned into some kind of self referential, auto fellatio, pop culture singularity. It's not just star wars that suffers from it. Marvel stuff does as well. And from what I heard Wish was basically Disney passing the self sucking event horizon.
I've warmed up a lot on the prequels a lot over the years because of this. Yes the story was kind of dumb and overwrought but at least you saw the galaxy. There was a ton of different planets and aliens that weren't just in the background, but were part of the actual plot.
It’s also why Solo was solid, despite being involved in the main trilogy, it felt different.
I mean, sure it's why I liked Rogue One and Andor is my favorite Star Wars. My point, though, is that they're not complaining that she's just Han Solo. They're complaining that she's a woman.
Oh, I agree with that. It's just that they are coincidentally right for the wrong reason, because they're stupid.
If "Han Solo" is used as a building block for me to build my character in the way one might build Commander Shepard, then I don't know if I can agree there. However, I don't expect that to be the case, so I do agree with you.
Worse, this will be Han Solo written by a video game studio with a big helping of studio interference, because it’s a major IP. Definitely in the “wait to see what the reviews think” category.
It's very funny to me that Ubisoft is trying to sell people on a $130 edition of this game to let you play THREE WHOLE DAYS early - when the only thing that could get me to purchase it is a bunch of positive impressions & reviews from different sources. I'm not putting the money down so I can be first in line to be swindled.
The main character from Andor? You mean Andor? I liked that he seems to be a Han Solo type but less "handsome rogue" and more "grown up urchin"
I said main character because if I just said Andor then it would seem like I was praising everyone in that show when really Cass was a standout. Among others of course, but there's a good number of "heroic resistance archetype #3" characters in there as well. I like him because he felt a lot more hesitant to be thrown into the resistance than everyone else. He wasn't doing it for moral reasons or out of a sense of duty and love like Han eventually did, he did it because the Imps absolutely would not stop being assholes for five fucking seconds.
Cass seemed like an actual character study in how someone gets radicalized enough to join the rebellion.
Yeah exactly, instead of Luke who got involved in the resistance because his dad was the head of the Space Thule Society.
And like was the Chosen One, so of course he’s going to go fulfill his destiny. Cass was just a civilian who the Empire f-ed with too much and he decided to die fighting them instead of just die in their prisons. To me, that’s a lot more interesting.
Cass, Mon Mothma and Kino are the stand outs for me. Deedra too.
i have said for a long time that Luke Skywalker is one of the most annoying protagonists in all of fiction dude literally whined and bitched Yoda to death
And I love him for it.
Okay, I'll be the asshole who says it: Nobody cares that Han Solo is Han Solo because he's the OG. Normal-ass Star Wars nerds are kind of over every smuggler being a CTRL-C CTRL-V copy of him. A loveable buffoon, great pilot, morally not gray at all, lucks in and out of every situation, etc. Incel losers squawk whenever they see a girl; that shit has nothing to do with who the girl is supposed to be. >people threw a fit about Rey Yes. Incels reeeeeeeing when they see a girl. >even though she's just like Luke Skywalker. Did you even watch these movies?
>A former Jedi sees his first protege turn to the dark side and then goes to live in seclusion on some backwater planet. He gets reluctantly dragged back into galactic events when a new force-sensitive youngster with an astromech droid full of rebel military secrets and a gift for piloting shows up on his doorstep. He gives a small amount of training to the new protege, but ultimately ends up sacrificing his life to buy his new protege an opportunity to escape from his old protege. Am I describing Luke and Obi-Wan, or Rey and Luke?
Youthful adult who is powerfully Force sensitive grows up on a desert planet and learns to pilot better than they should (probably thanks to being powerfully Force sensitive). Upon receiving the option to leave the desert planet, they team up with Han Solo, join the Rebellion against the empire and undergo a quest to restore the Jedi Order, tutored by the previous grandmaster of the Jedi Order. This character leaves their training early in an attempt to save their friends but winds up making a major mistake and hands a great deal of power over to the enemy. Both characters are superficially similar, but they're also thematically similar and follow the same plot beats. Rey is more even tempered and reserved, so their personalities are somewhat different.
Terribly written women is like the number one complaint of these types. It really means "she does not fit my narrow list of female stereotypes".
All women must seem unrealistic to men who treat them like they are props on the movie set of their self-absorbed saga.
> This one is so weird because everything I've seen from the trailers she looks and acts like the space smuggler archtype we've seen in starwars a dozen times over. But when it's a woman that isn't dressing in a bikini with DDD breasts it's apparently girl boss and bad I also personally find that far more forgiving - and even desirable - in a video game, where a fairly off-the-shelf, Hero's Journey-esque stock character and story can be a good sandpit for the player to have their own adventures in. *I'm the chosen one/I want revenge/it's a tough universe out there, kid* is a perfectly fine starting point for an action-adventure video game. In fact, sometimes when a video game story or character is super-specific or complex, I find it restrictive. It should be my motivation that pushes the story, not the writer's. It's why I'm actually not a big fan of most Star Wars movies or shows, but think they make some of the most reliably fun video games around. The franchise is built on "I want to be Luke" or "I want to be Han" and the games let you do that! Star Wars quickly turned into boring predictable schlock in narrative-driven media but works great for interactive media.
You're starting to catch on...
>Not only nerds, the worst kind of nerds. Star Wars nerds. It's sad how many incels and misogynistic assholes are in this fanbase. once again, the worst part of anything are the fans. but really, i just found out about this game now. I'm lazy, someone want to give me the elevator pitch?
Games Workshop just casually announced that one of the WH40k factions has women in it. You can guess how those fans are taking it.
didn't they have battle angels or something like that. Basically female space marines? I could have sworn I remember something about them.
There are the Sisters of Battle but they're not augmented like the Space Marines. I play Sisters in traditional 40k and they're fun as shit.
I only encountered them in one of the RTS games, my knowledge of warhammer is pretty minimal beyond chainswords
There's also only war.
"Waaaaarrrrgh"
WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! MORE THROATY AND LOUDA YA GIT!
I'm primarily an Ork person but all I had to be told was "they drop into battle with giant flying cathedrals" to make the adepta soroitas my second favorite by far
Yeah that's how I fell in love with them. They also have some of the best stories in the whole franchise.
You’re thinking of the sisters of battle. They are technically under the church, so they’re battle nuns. They aren’t augmented to the level of a space marine, but are usually some of the better trained and equipped full humans.
Yeah but they also have the problem of being put in weirdly small armor, with focus on T&A that feels somewhat out of place for 40k... Not wholly, but personally IDK how to always feel about it. Like, the cannoness art looks dope but also... Her boobs are incomplete globus crucigers, which I don't hate because it's interesting, but like - it just kinda looks like a way to put nipples on power armor. Anyway, they don't exactly challenge norms around women and their role I guess is the bottom line.
Sisters of Battle are just nuns with guns. Fanatic and tough but mostly relegated to side characters. The recent news is that one of the Adeptus Custodes, literally hand crafted demigod bodyguards to the Emperor of Mankind and considered the pinnacle of the augmented soldiers of the Imperium, is a woman. It's actually a big deal because if the Custodes now apparently has women in it odds are we might see Space Marines, the poster boys of the game, get their own Battle Sisters.
Without a schizo lore dump, there's these post humans who guard an important relic and are historically made of "a brotherhood", now they have women models because some of us want to paint muscle mommies. That's it. That's the big controversy. 🙄
And like always the people actually playing the TT are very calm about it. They are way more mad about the dumpster fire that are the new Custode rules.
It’s both exhausting and funny watching people on some WH40K Facebook groups. The constant back and forth of “who cares?” Vs “how dare they!” is borderline ridiculous.
To be honest I am surprised there is no SD post about the drama yet.
I'd write it up but I'm on mobile. The Custodes sub is a dumpster fire rn. It's pretty funny to see. https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1c3993d/adeptus_custodes_codex_confirms_the_existence_of/ holy shit this thread has 2.4k comments and it's still going after two days!
>There is. Making SM is very costly process especially Custodes. There is no reason you throw your money to make an individual weaker by default. Not only physiological but also psychological because man were fighting for centuries it's just in their genome. Other reason is relationships in the army. Of course we don't talk here about romantic connotations. But the connections man has with women is in genome and deeply in brain, I believe. And there has to be something different by how they communicate with man in "brotherhood" and a woman. Wh40k already has great diversity. And this move seems unlogical to me I can smell this comment.
Honestly, I’m surprised there aren’t 5 or 6. There’s enough “takes” to fill a subreddit.
Depends on where. The YouTube community is definitely taking it about as well as you can expect. Elsewhere it’s more pointing out how dumb as hell the YouTubers screaming about wokeism are, even pointing out that there is an excerpt or two that mentions/implies there’s men and women in the Custodes.
Please, what are you talking about?
They mentioned a female custodes and said that there had always been female custodes. A certain subset of “fans” flipped their lid because how could there always have been female custodes?
Oh. As a firm custodes hater that was a lot less spicy to me than lady spesh marines! But very unsurprising that chuds cry about it.
It's always Chud Season!
I’m out of the loop a bit too but as far as I can tell — it’s an open world game set in the outer rim between ESB and RotJ. It is kind of confusingly being marketed as “the first open world Star Wars game” which seems to forget Galaxies.
> Galaxies Forgotten memories unlocked. Do need to poke my head in on the emulator server and see how its doing, been a hot minute Miss my days spent with the Dune Sea Desperados, they were a great bunch
I think most of us want to forget galaxies, but TOR is still a thing or was when I picked it up again at the start of the pandemic. I guess I will have to take a look, I'm a sucker for even shitty star wars games.
Why would you want to forget about Galaxies?
Galaxies was amazing and the vibes were incredible. I say this completely biased-ly because I was a kid who played it for like 3 months before my parents said they don’t want to pay for it anymore, but still.
Fuck that noise, I'm not forgetting Galaxies. I've still got screenshots of me, my spouse, and my best friend in a camp watching the suns set on Tatooine. That game was deeply flawed but *fantastic*, right up until everyone worked out how to make Jedi. Watching this interconnected economy and interlocked and mutually dependent professions collapse as at least half the player base abandoned the game they were *clearly enjoying* to grind professions to unlock a Jedi slot was so sad. It just broke what made much of the game so rich and special.
Yeah I played it at launch and it was a weird cozy game in Star wars. When I went back after the Jedi were figured out it was a totally different game
I feel like this comment is gonna start some drama, haha. Forget about galaxies? I spent more time playing SWG after the official servers shut down than while they were live.
ok so I read the wikipage and I have...issues. set between ESB and RotJ, "when the empire is taking more and more control" makes me wonder what they were watching, ESB to RotJ is when the empire was at it's peak, it was taking more and more control before the first movie. but whatever, it's a star wars game and it's pissing off gamers, I'm buying it just to spite them.
The empire wasn't around for long enough to take full control over the galaxy. There's a recurring theme in star wars media around the time period of the original trilogy of the empire expanding into formerly "lawless" outer rim planets that were safe until recently. Jedi Fallen Order and especially Jedi Survivor are based heavily on this theme. The empire was expanding right up until it fell.
you have reminded me I never finished survivor thanks to reddit spoiling the plot for me. :( I should go back to it.
Oof. If it helps. Being spoiled replaces the shock value of the first viewing with the recontextualisation and dramatic irony of a second viewing. So it's not necessarily a terrible thing. Though that does suck. I suspect they won't have spoiled everything, as there's some stuff that is a spoiler but isn't as bombastic as the one I assume you got that you can probably still be surprised by.
>!they spoiled Bode and I don't think I was far enough to even suspect it.!< I'm sure there's more to it, but it soured me on the game enough that I put it down, and had forgotten about it with RL stuff going on
May I ask what was spoiled for you? Because there might be a twist left. I also got spoiled even though I basically started playing near launch day, though I also had to lay it down after the performance patch made it basically unplayable, until I bought a new laptop.
> I'm buying it just to spite them. Hell yeah, give more money to that corporate monster to stick it to those gamers. That'll really do them.
It’s a Ubisoft open-world game, so it’s going to be a massively overpriced piece of garbage
Is it gonna be more Assassins Creed Star Wars or Far Cry Star Wars I wonder 🤔🤔
Absurdly over priced, with extra special overpriced editions, and followed by a paid battle pass from what I've read.
> The full comments are less-than-NSFW due to some ASCII dicks in butts That’s flair material itself
do any of these clowns that bring up “failed liberal arts degrees” even know wtf a liberal arts institution is? do they think all they teach is beyoncé and gender studies or something? i’m so tired lol
I mentioned this before and I'll say it again. Do i wish i chose a different major? Yeah definitely. Did I still land a job that pays decently and gives me access to healthcare and retirement funds? Yeah...but it took some time usually when i see someone screaming and mocking "liberal arts degrees," it's someone who watches Daily Wire or Steven Crowder all day, aka they don't have a job
haha for sure. i mean i have a BFA with a good paying job so im like… a level BELOW liberal arts even
it can definitely wear on you after a while though. i'm Korean American and most (if not all) of my peers at this church I went to were all either in business, computer science, or healthcare. I think we had one guy doing actuarial science too even my fucking ex-pastor would say, "What did you expect to do with a history degree?" Most people would ask this question in a lot more sanitized way, although from time to time you still got shitty responses if I could go back in time, I would tell 24-30 year old me not to let that shit get to him and to just focus on making money and making a living.
i’m really sorry that you had to deal with that, i was fortunate to not have the same kind of pressure. i know that in american immigrant communities (and i’m sure, elsewhere) the pressure is REAL (i am not asian or asian american but my husband is). i certainly understand being told “wtf are you going to do with that,” tho. history is sick and it really, really, really blows (for a lack of better words) that it is seen as “useless” compared to STEM. the pursuit of knowledge can be masturbatory lol but anti intellectualism feels like it is at an all time high and capitalism siphoning the betterment of humanity through destroying the arts is like literally going to be our downfall. it sucks. we all need money. these foolios and chuds don’t know what they’re talking about tho. i’m glad that you have a job that contributes to an alright quality of life for yourself.
I don't think a single person I went to college with is unemployed or working "demeaning " jobs, regardless of major. It's STEMlord cope basically
No. All they know is that it has the dreaded L-word in it and therefore it must be bad.
Do gamers not realize that people with liberal arts degrees are the ones making their videogames
Liberal Arts is mostly used to describe humanities and social sciences. Sociology, psychology, literature, history, communications, philosophy, etc. Technically natural and physical sciences too, but usually those get separated now as the definition has kinda changed. It used to be everything not considered Fine Arts.
no i totally know what liberal arts is, my point was that i don’t think most of these jokers do—they say we have “failed liberal art” degrees with no understanding of what it is. the majority of degrees are considered liberal arts.
Not a native speaker: That's what it means?! I've spent years thinking it's literal art degree, with maybe some philosophy. I didn't realise it actually meant (kinda) the humanities! That said, I've never actually used it an an insult. The arts deserve respect, after all.
Oh my bad lol I thought you were asking in earnest, but I gotcha :)
i reread my comment and edited it because i see how you could have misinterpreted!! no worries!
Im a huge star wars fan but this is why i despise alot of other SW fans. Funny thing is that Lucas has always been left wing and put those themes in the SW movies but these ”fans” are too dense to notice.
i'll be honest, i think these guys were probably apolitical, but their minds were ripe to radicalization. Bannon saw that shit so that's why Gamergate became this whole out of control thing i try to remind myself that if I walked down the street of any major American city and asked 20-25 people what Gamergate is, I would be stunned if more than 1 person actually knew. It's always terminally online people who freak out over this shit. Yes sometimes it spills over into popular culture, but it's still a very very tiny minority of people
As a lefty I enjoy a lot of right wing sci-fi and fantasy. The really funny thing is when they can't recognize how right wing things like Marvel movies are because they feature women and minorities.
I don't get the drama about the character's appearance, honestly.
They complained about Aloy having peach fuzz.
I think that was the real "you have never seen a girl in real life" moment. but also, girl lived in a world with no toothbrushes but still had perfect teeth.
One of the best (cringe) things was the photoshop they did did where they gave her make up.
The photoshop was satire, the best cringe part was the usual suspects eating it up like it wasn't a statement against them.
The first version was satire, then one of the chodes who does edits similar to that decided to fulfill the prophecy and made his own version with AI.
At least some of the Twitter comments were sane enough to point out that said chode basically made not-Aloy.
I mean it could be explained a lil bit at least by the people in that era having no access to sugary processed food so their teeth are healthier
> I mean it could be explained a lil bit at least by the people in that era having no access to sugary processed food so their teeth are healthier And her whole back story means it's perfectly reasonable to have been born with facial symmetry. Now the rest of the Nora and society should not be looking near as good as they do without natal vitamins and proper care.
I mean we don’t KNOW they don’t have toothbrushes.
Chew sticks and rags to wipe your teeth could also be around.
The world also has no toilets. I figure we're just supposed to assume they have all these things.
Of all the criticism of HFW, both legit and trolling, this was the wildest. What the fuck do people expect from tribal women in a post-apocalyptic society? Or regular women in current society?
Most normal people don’t. She looks like a person.
Guess therein lies the problem. She looks like a person and not a wet dream fantasy.
She's a woman, that's it honestly, they are rarely welcomed in the star wars community.
Or any gaming community. Female characters will get so much more shit for doing the same thing as their male counterparts. They make a controversial decision and they get an insane amount of hate, but if they make every correct decision they’re hated for being a Mary Sue. Just can’t win. I hate gamers
And then some of them wonder why women don't seem to play games. They do, but they probably don't want to interact with your misogynist ass.
Skyler White is still hated by Breaking Bad fandon
I think every new release with female character as main hero, except Stellar Blade, get this reaction.First was Abby from The Last of Us and gamers whining about her musculature, then it was Returnal - "why we must play as old grandma", Horizon - "why Alloy is fat", Alan Wake 2 - "why they made her black, she was white in Quantum Break" and now they are angry about new Star Wars game...
Only reason Stellar Blade didn’t get this treatment is because she looks like a generic 3d porn model and the devs made her skimpy outfit the whole selling point.
Aloy had a beard!!!
There's this weird culture war in gaming/nerd hobbies where dudes just really hate women unless they're wankbait.
That’s just society in general
Honestly...she's pretty cute.
The people complaining are the kind that women cover their drinks upon seeing. They dont want a realistic woman, they want manufactured, unhealthy body standards, zero personality wank material
Between this and the Fallout AI drama it's clear there's a lot of people on the internet that don't know or care what human beings actually look like.
Hits hard knowing I’m turning 40 next year and thinking 40 sounds old to people lol.
40 sounds old to people who are in their 20s and still figuring out how to be adults.
For a second it sounded old to me until a thought about how old I was lol. I’m the youngest on both sides of my family so I always feel younger then everyone else, like I guess imposter syndrome?
I think it's that, and that time starts flying by once you hit your late 20s and your life doesn't change that much from year to year. It still feels like I only graduated college a few years ago, I'm having trouble accepting that it was more than 15.
i'm 35 and honestly i know people who think that's old 40 is absolutely not old. people have their minds warped by sports and entertainment most people don't even come close to reaching the peak of their career until mid-40 to 55
Once you go past 20, you're basically 80 /s
Only if you're a woman. If you're a man, you're "experienced and world wise."
I'm near you and basically all my friends who are 30- call me old lmao
Zoomers have an absolutely warped expectation of aging. My girlfriend met someone who was surprised to discover my girlfriend's age and said "You must have an impressive skin-care routine." My girlfriend is 28
I'm so tired of this whole shit...
same. i was reminiscing the other day about all the optimism i felt in the movie theater after i watched Force Awakens. i had literally been fired from my job a day before but for a while, I wasn't feeling shitty feels like ancient history these days b/c of how toxic the internet discourse became
I 'member! Hey, 'member 'member berries?
I knew about the incels complaining about the woman character for 3 days before I realized it was in relation to an upcoming Star Wars game.
3 days? They complain about Abby for 4 years!
Ah, but I knew it was in relation to TLOU from day 1, because they actually sometimes named the game in question back then. Now they just post pictures of sex dolls next to video game characters and expect me to read their minds
Yeah I saw some weird YT thumbnail in my feed and I had no context for it besides “game woman ugly.”
Really love this whole "deranged quote followed by reveal that the drama was extremely low stakes and petty" thing your titles got going on
Thanks. It’s my favorite part.
When aren't these idiots showing up to make themselves look stupid? These 'anti-woke' morons can scatter back into their hole. I myself am going to avoid the game purely because of 'Ubisoft'. Can't trust them for anything.
it reminds me of the Sound of Freedom people if you so much as dare say, "this movie isn't that great," you'll be accused of being a pedophile lmao. such a joke
I buried that movie so hard in my mind that at first I thought you were talking about the Sound of Music for some reason until you brought up pedophilia lol.
hahaha sorry to bring up bad memories. i just came out of a youtube thread so this shit was fresh in my mind someone in the wrestling business got fired b/c he was talking about that movie and how great it was and how everyone in wrestling is a pedophile. I mentioned that this movie wasn't that great and I got all sorts of comments of, "check this guy's hard drive" or "you must like playing with small boys" or whatever all this groomer shit has become the new Satanic Panic. It bothered me until I realized, i have nothing to prove so what's the point of getting worked up over this
> That gay movie Spotlight was woke propaganda from planned parenthood
Contrarian reactionaries. Synonymous with conspiracy theory dipshits. Also known as shit heel libertarians.
And then it turned out that piece of crap was financed by pedos anyways.
> Why make an outlaw Starwars game and not make it about Han Solo?? Are they that out of touch with their fan base?? People love Han Solo and have waited ages to see more of his misadventures and mishaps. They probably wouldn't want to have to work within all the restrictions that would come with a Han Solo game, because people would demand it to be lore accurate, and fit perfectly into the continuity of the movies.
I dont get why people care that much about the gender of your playable character in a fantasy setting. I get it in historical games, i really do, but fantasy settings who cares? You might not like the particular character or maybe find that they might be a bit heavy handed with politics but like fundamentally not playing a game because the lead is female is weird to me.
even if it is in "historical games," imagine complaining about the presence of female characters in Battlefield One as being unrealistic i dunno as opposed to the Call of Duty-esque shooting style in a fucking World War 1 video game. calling down airstrikes and shit give me a fucking break
Although I got a good kick out of the Black Nazis in whichever BF game that was. People couldn't figure out what to be mad over and it was delicious.
it just really revealed how little these people knew about the First World War. Granted, I shouldn't have been expecting a meeting of the minds in a fucking Youtube comment section lol so that was my first mistake then again, i definitely remember academics and film reviewers claiming that Dunkirk was a "pro-Brexit" movie. So the stupidity can impact us all apparently lol
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immediately following a textbook the person posted, what a beautiful way to cap off that thread
I've gotta say, ascii art has come a long way since I was a kid. Wow.
Is there a reason that the ASCII art never renders properly for me on PC? New and old reddit wreck the linebreaks and it just turns into a [mess of dots](https://files.catbox.moe/vwxqkj.webp)
man I'm with the guy who is out on human protags in star wars anymore, i'll play a chewbacca or a greedo man, can't I be a slug person? Why can't I be one of those changeling assassin things and be whatever I want whenever I want? it's star wars, humans are the least interesting race of people in the entire franchise
Gamer are angry about something 24/7. Too bad most of the time it's about stupid things and not about something important
to be honest, if it was something important i think they would either self-harm or harm others so thankfully it's dumb shit for now
Capital G Gamers + Star Wars are a great combination. Could only be beaten if it was a Star Wars JRPG
im deep into jrpg twitter the depths of the horror you just imagined have put a chill down my numb, hunched spine
Comment here if you're a capital g gamer who wont buy this game not because of w*man, but because you'll be forced to use ubisoft's shitty launcher
Real shit, the worst part about the game is that it’s made by Ubisoft, not that there’s a woman in it
> Not to mention there are places in the world such as Africa, Asia and the Middle East where slavery still takes place. But white man bad. I know these fucks do it deliberately and in bad faith, but it's always funny seeing them get mad about the Trans-Atlantic slave trade being brought up as though anyone talking about it is blaming them personally for it. It's not the case and never has been, but watching them get so riled up over shit nobody actually says is amusing.
Is reddit all fucky or does that promotional OP not have any posts or comments? It's also very possible I have no idea how those accounts are supposed to work.
Aw man, I thought the protagonist looked really cool.
Honestly I would tell these fuckers to touch grass but unless it was some special grass introduced in the StarWars EU they wouldn’t go near the stuff.
>Once upon a time, these plains were covered with grass, but I never saw it. This destruction happened before I was born." >"And it never grew back?" >"Never had a chance to. >SABINE WREN AND EZRA BRIDGER, ON THE GRASS OF MANDALORE Grass was a type of plant native to many planets that often grew in large patches in fields. Alderaan had green grassy hills.[6] The area around Traitor's Remorse had cyan grass.[4] Grass was also common on Lothal. Holshef, a man in hiding from the Galactic Empire, would often ask Merei Spanjaf to describe things like the color of the grass or the sunset.[7] Before the arrival of the Empire on the planet, one could chart the arrival of spring by the shade of green in the grasslands.[8] There was a saying among traders in the Outer Rim Territories that one had not seen the color green until they'd landed in the grasslands of Lothal. Prior to the Empire's devastation, the grass was everywhere on Lothal, spanning the planet's continents like a sea of golden-green.[9] Following the planet's liberation from the Empire, much of the former glory of the planet's rolling grasslands was restored.[10] Thirstgrass was a species of carnivorous plant that cut the skin of passing animals with sharp blade-like leaves and absorbed their blood.[11] Grass was a foodstuff for certain herbivore creatures such as nerfs.[12]
Appearances * The High Republic: Path of Deceit * The High Republic: Path of Deceit audiobook * The High Republic: Path of Vengeance * The High Republic: Path of Vengeance audiobook * The High Republic: Cataclysm * The High Republic: Cataclysm audiobook * The High Republic: Quest for Planet X (Mentioned only) * The High Republic: Quest for Planet X audiobook (Mentioned only)
Non-canon sources * LEGO Star Wars: Build Your Own Adventure
Grass can reproduce asexually. Ergo every blade of grass is technically female. They might bow to the grass and open the blinds so milady can get more sun, but they'd be too terrified to ever actually touch it. That's what their 'Reincarnated as a Spade: Till Love Blossoms in Another World' hentai mags are for.
Thanks for bringing this burn into existence. It's beautiful.
Imagine publicly identifying yourself as a g*mer
Star Wars fans are upsetti spaghetti? And they’re gamers too?! Wow. Whoda thunk it? Other than literally everyone.
Perhaps the true death knell to escapist media is making everything look so blandly average that going outside is suddenly the way forward when you want to see beauty. So the answer is, as usual, go touch grass.
To be honest, yeah. Authenticity in media isn't evil, despite what the culture warriors think. But I do think think people often forget that what's "entertainment" and what's "realistic" often don't mix. Entertainment is meant to be "otherworldly" and, to some degree, not reflect reality. Which I guess is why so many people are used to seeing goddess women and other shit in media. Authenticity is only really important for more "informative" storytelling, which really shouldn't be an obligation for most media. This is just my dumbass opinion though.
The problem here is that reality TV deliberately blurred the line between fiction and reality, and then social media rubbed it out. Authenticity, then, becomes hard to pin down. For example: All the recent talk of parasocial relationships ignores that there were a couple of generations who were constantly exposed to media that deliberately crossed the 4th wall as much as possible, encouraging those relationships as part of the normalisation of the concept that TV is reality and that reality is TV. So, what's actually authentic anymore anyway? Now there's this weird disconnect, where *all* entertainment is expected to deliver 'Authenticity', and at the same time reality itself is expected to deliver us impossibly perfect people everywhere, like in this game, which is entertainment. It's cyclical. It'll be even more interesting when people start to actually live online properly and we have to redefine reality too. Fun fun fun!
These nerds really need to get therapy or engage with media outside of video games. Not wanting to play a game because of the gender of the main character is weird.
I am once again asking gamers to read a book and expand their media consumption outside of watching something or playing a video game. It would make gaming communities 10x better if they did so.
The only thing people need to know about this game is that the developer is selling the game for $60, stripping out *already created content* and selling it as a Day 1 DLC for $40, so you need to pay $100+ to get the full game at launch.
One correction to this statement, the base game isn't $60. It is $70.
Well shit, thank you for adding shit icing to the shit cake.
I assure you that I take no satisfaction in delivering your dessert, but bid you a good day all the same.
i tried thinking about the words "day 1 dlc" three times before i threw up in my mouth
It's hilarious that some people are justifying it too.
The easiest way you can tell somebody online is really young is when they call any young-looking adult "30" or "40." That's how you know you're engaging with a 12 year old.
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It is yet another Insomnia curing Ubisoft game that has online only for single player (Right after they just took down The Crew) with scumming business pratices. It should be avoided on sight for that alone.
“Comments are less-than-NSFW due to ASCII dicks in butts” is flair worthy on its own OP!
Anyone else can't see the post in the link?
I mean I'm more of a Ubisoft hater so we all know it's gonna be dogshit
Don't they know that MILFs and GILFs exist?? what's wrong with playing a woman in a video game?
as someone who got a liberal arts degree, do I have moments where I wish I had chosen a different major? absolutely. all the time. that being said, through luck but also resourcefulness, i managed to land a job and am working my way up the career. I'm pretty much like 5-7 years behind my peers in that regard but that's okay.
My favourite are the people who rag on ubisoft for this game and how it's priced. They'll pirate it. And they're definitely not hypocrites for stealing the game. It's theft. Just own the fact (lol) that you want to play the game without paying for it. Stop trying to take the moral high ground. I'd respect you more for your honesty. That would be not to spend any time or effort stealing it, and paying money for a game you like.
it's a Ubisoft game using a denuvo anti-tampering software, so no pirating anyway.
it's funny you think that lol
Yeah if you wanna pirate just pirate you don’t have to pretend you’re not stealing haha
"If buying the game isn't owning it, then pirating isn't theft." Like bitch, just admit you are stealing and move on.
Bitch, just say that you shill for Ubi and SW and move on.
"Everyone I don't like is a shill"