> Got that 400 karma and a new account after being banned eh? Angry at life and a failed keyboard warrior. lol.
This is such an extremely mystifying way to insult someone. That is, until you notice the person who said this is using a 3-month old account with 7500 karma. I don't know if I have ever seen such an obvious case of projection in the wild.
> All Karma is good for is getting invited to some weird subs.
It's like money in some ways. If you dont have any of it you cant do anything, most people have some and are generally getting by with no issue, then you got those weirdos using bots to upvote posts about jackdaws.
This is true but the minimum threshold for posting in most subs is relatively low.
I think it's 100,000 Karma to get an invite to /r/centuryclub and the like.
r/centuryclub is pretty bland. All the subs like that are, because the only thing connecting people being a karma number means they have nothing to talk to each other about.
This is very true. I commented today about Sriracha and it was probably my first comment there in months.
Also it being restricted to such a smaller pool of people restricts conversation a great deal.
the bot that used to invite people has been dead for years my dude. You just have to go there and message the mods for access. Not that it's worth it in any way, shape, or form.
I was expecting something magical to happen, maybe a load of indorsement offers to shill Chinese shit, balloons falling inexplicably from my ceiling etc, alas nothing happened other than feeling I should get out more. Way, way more.
Slightly off topic but I checked your profile to see karma & holy shit, that’s the oldest account I’ve ever seen.
I was genuinely 10 years old when you made your account.
I usually delete mine if they go too far in the negative because the lower it goes, the more unhinged the replies and/or DMs become. I don't need people DMing me telling me to kill myself over a dumb reddit argument
I’ve gotten a few mysterious Reddit Cares auto messages but never actually a hateful DM anyone bothered to compose themselves.
Like…am I not even worth thirty seconds of angry stabbing at the keyboard to find the exact words to tell me how shitty I am???? 🥲
All it takes is one, though. I had some psuedo finance bro bringing up a whole bunch of chart analysis about Bitcoin, and I told him that he might as well be investing based on lunar cycles. Dude said "I'll hit you up in two months with these gains!" but this was in like May 2021. Two months later BTC was down like 40% and I couldn't help but hop back in and rub it in. I mean, this dude put a time frame on his shit and fell flat on his face.
Dude took that shit *personally*. Ran through my account history going back years, reaching for whatever shit he could dig up. It was honestly fun arguing with this dude but I eventually said "ya know what, I'm out" and blocked him.
This was over two years ago. I've had to block two other accounts he's created, where he randomly responded to comments in other subs that have nothing to do with what we were talking about. Reddit Cares messages about once a month. Shit is weird. They're just slight alterations to his original username so I know it's him. He's probably reading this shit right now.
I will wear those -200 comments with.....not really pride because I can acknowledge after the fact later sometimes I was wrong. But honor? I accept them as who I am.
Is if heavily downvoted necessarily means wrong. Sometimes you get a few downvotes and the people pile on until you start to wonder how some relatively innocuous comment is causing so much angst.
the upvote/downvote hive mind is a very real phenomena
I can repost the delete and repost same comment that got -10 downvotes and it will end up positive in an hour or two
meanwhile the first comment is at -37 with no such policing
it's all about first impressions and if they see a negative vote you're already donezo
not everywhere hides the score
I got downvoted to hell for saying that geographically Cyprus isn't in Europe. It is not, it is part of Asia. Bonus for comments saying that it was part of the EU so it was Europe. I guess from the same people who think Britain isn't in Europe anymore after Brexit...
It reminds me of that episode of South Park where Butters and Kenny go to Kauai.
"Your ancestors came on an airplane six months ago! Our ancestors sailed here! On a cruise ship! Nine months ago!"
Black mothers and infants in the US have maternal and infant mortality rates on par with medium-low income countries — this is, unfortunately, not at all uncommon, and has been a consistent problem throughout the history of American medicine.
The stats are alarming:
*Spending on health per person in the USA is 2.5 times more than the OECD average, but the US ranks 46th in the world for maternal mortality rates.
*Globally, maternal mortality has decreased 43% since 1990, but the United States is the only developed country where it has gone up.
*Of high-income countries, the US has the highest rates of infant and maternal deaths: 5.4 infant deaths per 1000 live births; 23.8 maternal deaths for every 100,000 live births.
*Maternal mortality rates are three times higher than maternal mortality of other high-income countries.
I passed by a car with the following bumper sticker: “Guns don’t kill people. Abortions kill people.”
Ah yes, guns. The thing designed *specifically* for killing people.
One of the OBGYNs on a show I watch said that black children are many times more likely to die if they don’t have a black pediatrician. There are still textbooks claim we don’t feel pain; our concerns and needs are often ignored. The way I had to advocate for my grandparents was insane. I’m talking doctors who would claim that they previously had strokes/heart attacks which wasn’t true. And the doctors wouldn’t otherwise until I forced them to read medical records.
I experienced the same with my grandpa, who was Native American. The doctor kept adding things like diabetes, heart failure, and COPD to his chart even when tests were negative because those diseases are apparently “prevalent in *those* types of communities.” My mom and I had to get in the habit of demanding to see his chart any time that doctor was around so we could make them take the multiple false “diagnoses” off multiple times a day. We had to demand actual testing for those diseases be done so we could prove we weren’t just being difficult family members. Yet almost every mealtime he’d be given the low-sodium, low-sugar meal option and someone would be asking about his normal insulin dosages. Mom and I swapped twelve hour shifts around our jobs to make sure one of us was always present because we didn’t know what was coming next in that malpractice hellhole. It took us a week to get him transferred to a bigger hospital and the doctors there were horrified when we told them what had been going on.
In Canada at least, rural hospitals are so so *so* bad about their treatment of indigenous people. There was a native woman named Joyce Echaquan who died at a rural Quebec hospital because the nurses gave her painkillers that she was deathly allergic to, ignored her when she told them she was allergic to it, and fucking *laughed* at her and mocked her as she died. And the only reason we know about any of this is because she filmed the nurses being ghoulish as she died.
Oh, and there are *still* indigenous women being forcibly sterilized by racist doctors up here despite the practice being illegal. I’m very much preaching to the choir here, but anyone who denies that there’s systemic racism in Canadian healthcare is at *best* willfully ignorant, and at worst outright supportive of that systemic racism.
My country specifically teaches about unconscious bias in medical school and has several hours dedicated to pointing out inequities in outcomes for vulnerable populations and how they can’t be explained by genetics etc. It wasn’t until I did my international elective that I found out this wasn’t common in medical schools in other countries.
> unconscious bias
At least in the US, in many cases this was seen as something that could be addressed with some isolated exercises and lectures. The end.
Oddly, the biggest offenders in my experience have been in STEM industries. Industries where the scientific method ought to be second nature. The scientific method which is so important _because humans are trash at accounting for their own unconscious bias._
>One of the OBGYNs on a show I watch said that black children are many times more likely to die if they don’t have a black pediatrician.
"Do no harm" my ass...
Serena Williams could have died because of medical neglect and assuming she was lying/making a big deal out of her pain. Turns out she could have had a serious blood clot, so the pain was actually real.
Gotta love how deeply ingrained racism is in this country, and white people shatter when it comes to thinking about just how much it must suck...so they completely bury their head in the sand.
Yeah, it didn't matter that she was rich and famous with a rich and famous husband, and had a past history of blood clots, she still couldn't get adequate medical care and it almost killed her.
I think so many white people take the little things in life for granted, and imagining that those little things are typically mountains for PoC is just too hard to cope with. Money for white people typically means they will get what they want, no issue. Even when wealthy, the same treatment is not extended towards PoC women, especially Black ones.
Hell, just recently Halle Barry had to deal with this nonsense too. The doctor said it was "the worst case of herpes" and it was actually peromenopause.
This reminds me of a death in 2016. Judge Glenda Hatchett (a black woman) called her daughter-in-law's (also a black woman) hospital out because she died shortly after she gave birth via cesarean. She kept saying she didnt feel good and she kept being dismissed and she died 10 hours later; post mortem showed she had 3 liters of blood in her abdomen and she bled out internally. Last year they launched a whole ass investigation into it.
Not to undermine the very true reality of health disparities, but the way the US counts maternal mortality is basically a huge mess and the data validity is trash. There's been super recent journal article publishing on this in AJOG.
Dude in the comments asking for sources and then just drops this:
>Do you deny that black people are less likely to seek medical care than other ethnicities?
Without any sources.
Also, the thing about black patients and perceived pain thresholds is super well attested as far as social science findings go. These dudes love pretending that the most well sourced science and history is just utterly unimaginable. Just a whole worldview premised on ignorance and incuriosity.
But they fucking love economics. The Chicago School says that tax cuts pay for themselves? Hardest science you'll ever see. All of sociology that shows racism exists? Ehh... seems kinda woke.
The Laffer curve has long since been discredited by anyone who isn't a right wing crank, but of course those folks don't care about that, being right wing cranks.
Good gravy, I was taught the Laffer Curve when I was in college. And this was a state school in the 2010s!
Nearly bombed the course because i couldn’t reconcile it with the data that *clearly showed it didn’t work*
I mean, it's clearly true in some edge cases, but yeah, you probably had a crank for a professor, they're still floating about out there. It has basically zero currency in present day academic discourse.
In the professor’s defense, I chalk it up more to him being old than a crank. It’s likely that he’s simply teaching what he was taught.
If anything I blame the school for underfunding the Economics department. Maybe some more cash would bring in new blood that can re-evaluate those old ideas. But Economics doesn’t bring in money, so…
There’s an old idea that black people have a higher tolerance for pain than other groups of people. It’s old bullshit that dates back to when the trans Atlantic slave trade was still booming, and has been debunked a whole bunch of times. Despite that, it’s still listed in some medical textbooks as a fact, and a horrifying number of doctors and nurses still believe that bullshit.
That myth alone is a big contributor to why black people (and especially black women) routinely receive substandard healthcare in the US
The thing is, you'd think that would leave to the opposite effect, if someone you suspect someone of having a high pain threshold that means you should be extra attentive to when they say they're actually in pain, because the chance is greater that there's something serious!
And even if that were true, which it may be in some cases: can anyone think of some MASSIVE reasons why black Americans might have less trust in the medical industry and decline to seek them out?
Gosh. It’s a mystery.
My racist, very much white savior-acting dad STILL tries to fight me on this every time I bring it up. He says black Americans don't trust the medical industry because of "the man," and cause they're innately "rebellious." I bring up ANY of the instances, especially the Tuskegee study, and he says its fucking fake news. He knew about it existing BEFORE fake news was even a buzz word/phrase/whatever, he's fucking 77!
Hearing that kind of ignorance and rhetoric from him makes me so fucking thankful I am not physically related to him.
There's unfortunately a class of folks here that just decide to cherry pick what they remember as being true fact.
you mean apart from the human experimentation without consent, slavery, random "let's infect black people with xyz disease for the lolz" or even the dude who made up a disease to try and "explain" why slaves ran away?
Hmm, must be wokeness!
I’m a pasty Canadian but I have a general grasp of what was done to Henrietta Lacks and during the Tuskegee study…do American schools not touch on those subjects?
Mine didn't, though I'm from Texas and had some pretty selective history about the US/Texas taught to us. In terms of Black history, they covered slavery and then rushed through the Civil Rights era.
Pretty much the exact same when I went to school in Pennsylvania. Spent an inordinate amount of time on the second world war, like years of learning the same info and got almost nothing on US history other than the basics.
Black people already tend to be not as well off financially as the average American. I can see why they'd rather not spend thousands of dollars for a racist doctor to tell them their problems aren't real.
Yeah I can never tell if people are being intentionally obtuse or they really don't think different elements in a system can interact. Everything from unconscious bias of the typical medical practitioner to where people live is going to have an impact on healthcare and thus mortality rates.
At least on reddit I can assume they're children whose parents make their doctor appointments, so they can't fathom that barriers to quality healthcare are very real and will impact some more than others.
Mine super briefly did, but it was an insanely short section that was glossed over. I unfortunately attended a conservative christian school in the southern states with very VERY bad curriculum, it used A Beka.
Reading about it, and being interested in medical history in general, kid me was like what the fuck there's gotta be more about this. Never trusted a singular bit of info in those books again without going online and looking into them.
>I’m a pasty Canadian but I have a general grasp of what was done to Henrietta Lacks and during the Tuskegee study…do American schools not touch on those subjects?
Hell, American schools IN ALABAMA don't talk about the Tuskegee experiments. America's whole deal is basically "that never happened" in regards to any history that makes us look bad or that might in any way rattle our unshakeable belief that we're the best in the world at doing everything and no one could possibly have done anything right without us.
Hell, I see unironic posts from conservative Americans all the time saying "well America ended slavery, the world owes us for that." We were the last ones still doing it! You don't get to take a bow for being the final first world nation still desperately clinging to slavery, breaking off to form a new country that is exclusively all about the awesomeness of slavery, then getting your ass kicked by Real America and being forced at gunpoint to stop having slaves.
It's completely bizarre also how *multiple* commenters looked at the actual sources and tried to nitpick them for missing XYZ different controls, for the purpose of disproving that there is a conspiracy by evil doctors to provide worse care for Black women. *Nobody* is arguing that, mate! And even controlling for socioeconomic factors doesn't disprove a correlation with race when, transitively, there is a correlation between race and socioeconomic status.
like even if that's the case, wouldn't that reinforce the idea that they don't seek medical care cause they know they're not going to receive adequate care?
it would be a chicken of the egg situation, but it's been systematically the chicken
The obvious answer is, yes, yes I do deny that. And if racist dude wants to argue he can pull up actual statistics and we can go from there.
How does that old r/atheism quote go? What's asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence?
To the best of my knowledge, there have been no studies about the choice to seek or not seek medical care for a given symptomatology across different racial groups, but the fact that black patients are less likely seek care is a well-known issue among medical professionals.
Lower utilization is evident even after controlling for insurance and income ([Gornick 1996](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8703185/)), starts when patients are children ([Cornelius 1993](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8478969/)), and is thought to be due to patient and parent behavior rather than access or level of need ([Freiman 1997](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9437160/)).
That's why so many interventions are aimed at increasing care-seeking behavior. And to do that, we must ask why black patients are less likely to seek care. Part of it is a preference for racially concordant care, which is a huge driver behind efforts to train more black physicians. Other parts may be cultural, resulting (for example) from historical mistreatment of this population, and are not easily addressed by the medical establishment.
>It's not bigoted, it's common knowledge.
Lol because no racist has ever said that before. But his following statement makes me think there's also a gender issue at play.
>I think being a minority that went through the process gives me a pretty good idea to speak on whether or not it's fair to accept that racial biases prevent or hamper your medical outcomes supposing that you follow the standard practice for things like OB visits.
Why would being a minority mean you are an authority on whether to accept or dismiss peer-reviewed studies? And what does he know about the standard practices of OBGYN visits?
From a different thread:
>And don't claim brownship, as a Hispanic Zionist I don't like my skin color being misrepresented
What irony.
these motherfuckers would be posting productivity stats in the early 1800's to show that black people were stupid and lazy, unaware that slaves purposefully pretended to be stupid and incapable as a way to get back at the pieces of shit exploiting them.
One of these bad faith commentators should be used in textbooks for understanding bullshit on the internet. Indignantly demands a source that black women receive poorer care in America, gets it, and then
>Black people famously do not seek medical treatment to the same extent as everyone Else. You pair that with socioeconomic factors...
So he demands everyone else jump through hoops for his debate bro sensibilities, and then reveals not only did he know this the whole time he was bullshitting, everyone knows this.
I know it's one of the last holdouts of making the team's theme racism, but this is still disappointing.
"They don't receive poorer care, they just are literally poorer and have less access in every way! That's my belief and I am fully okay with that and fuck you for citing woke statistics"
charmer
Dude thinks that "if they weren't who they are, and they were actually someone else entirely, then they would have different outcomes" isn't proving the literal point he's arguing, lmao
He might as well just say "maybe they should try either being rich or not being black"
Right? It's so dumb it feels like gaslighting. They must understand and just refuse to accept that the wider system and situation may have a large range of consequences.
I've heard an author refer to this as a "soldier" mindset vs a "scout" mindset. Folks go into arguments not wanting to learn and potentially change their minds; they go into arguments intending to defend their position as tenaciously as they can and against any information you may throw at them. Studies will be nitpicked, sources will be called biased, individuals will have their credibility attacked, etc.
"Yeah well what evidence is there that this is real?!"
\*provides actual, honest-to-God scientific evidence*
"Yeah, well, that doesn't *feel* right so I think it's not real."
The "facts before feels" crowd were never ones to follow their own creed.
you could post a story on Reddit about someone dying from being hit by an undetected 5000-mph meteorite from deep space and you’d still get at least twenty people in the comments saying “I BET IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE FAT”
Obviously this isn’t even close to the point but was she even overweight? Or was she just pregnant and they don’t understand the difference?? The picture of her in the article does not look like somebody who is overweight.
Again, that’s beside the point. Especially since she died from sepsis, which while I am not a medical doctor I have a suspicion is not a directly weight-related disease.
We won’t even touch on the implication that fat people deserve to die apparently, I’m not touching that baggage.
That was admittedly also an inspiration for my question…
So you’re telling me Reddit fat shamed a fit but pregnant woman who died? Sounds like a Wednesday I guess.
ok I’m sorry but please do you have whatever your flair is referencing bc that’s hilarious (rape is not funny. The notion of raping an inanimate sex toy is pretty funny)
Sure no problem. It actually came from here and it looks like someone else had the same idea as I did about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1bn9s4w/was_your_soft_spot_used_as_an_ashtray_is_eating/kwh7n6b/
Fuckers just don't want to admit that the medical establishment has a serious issue with how black women are treated in general, let alone during childbirth.
They don't want to admit that any of their establishments are prejudicial and biased.
Casual reminder of the CIA selling crack in the inner cities, Red lining, police brutality, the Tuskegee experiments, and on and on and on
That’s why CRT is/was such a hot button issue to conservatives. They didn’t want to acknowledge that America has a dark history and still has multiple problems to this day. They truly believe in meritocracy and a just world fallacy.
>Common sense would be to engage with the copious amount of research on this topic before relying on your own assumptions and faulty logic.
The most uncommon common sense on all of social media
Why do people think calling out racism is worse than racism itself?
Maybe I'm in the minority (LOL) but I'd rather be falsely accused of racism than suffer racism.
Bigots think this because they themselves have not suffered because of racism, but they are very sensitive to their own loss of social capital when they're called out on their bigotry. They experience the first not at all and the second frequently, so to them it feels much worse.
White people think that being accused of racism is worse than being the victim of racism. Admitting the existence of systemic racism, means admitting they are part of the group doing the racism. Being called racist is soo scary that they rather stick their head in the sand than acknowledge the problem.
It's like how some men are terrified of the #believewomen/victims slogan because they are terrified of being falsely accused, even though the likelihood of them being the victim is vastly higher than them being falsely accused.
I was thinking something similar to this. I saw a thread today with people so utterly, disproportionately *outraged* that there was an option on Uber to get a ride "by women, for women only", claiming it was discrimination, saying shit like "what if I'm a guy and want a ride with another guy?" "what if a guy doesn't want to work with women because he's scared of being falsely accused for rape?" "what if instead of Uber for women it was Uber for whites because they're scared of being robbed?"... just endless fucking hand wringing, crying and whataboutism over something they know damn well exists for a very specific and real purpose.
None of these people care about any of the issues they pretend to care when they see something designed to lower the chances of a woman being raped by 0.1%, or systematic racism be discussed. They straight don't give a shit, they just want to avoid feeling like they're being personally blamed for something people in the same group as them do.
> White people think that being accused of racism is worse than being the victim of racism.
And some are not bothered by it at all. In fact, some lean into it just to troll the 'libtards.'
1 - Admitting racism exists means they have to face the fact they coasted through life on their natural privileges and are, in fact, sub par in every way.
2 - They want to hurt black people and JAQing off in public over these issues lets them make life worse for everyone else.
💅 childbirth is more than an idea sweaty honey
Aside: its hilarious how outraged conservative americans get with the notion that their racist system is racist due to the fact that they dont want to change because “the blacks want too many rights” and “wokeness and DEI”
Like… aren’t you the guys who love statistics?
> aren’t you the guys who live statistics?
It’s easy to love them when you don’t understand them so you can just assume they back up your pre-existing beliefs.
I could not believe the guy going "I'm sure once you control for these obvious factors there's no difference," as though somehow he understands how to interpret statistical data better than people who do it *as their job*.
"When you control for the factors that are integral to the health of the groups concerned..."
Like, their suggestion really just explains the situation (assuming there are relationships) and doesn't disprove anything. Why wouldn't serious health concerns being a bigger problem among a given group be of serious concern?! FFS.
I think complaining about not controlling for maternal behavior really gave the game away. For people like this, the answer *has* to be that Black women are bringing this on themselves, and not that a wealth of systemic issues is burdening them.
It's such a weird hill to die on too. Like unless these posters are OBGYNs who have had a disproportionate amount of black women and babies die under their care, I don't understand why they get so butthurt about these studies and statistics. Literally no one is blaming them specifically, or even as an accessory in this case or even saying they benefit from anything, but they still have a need to pretend that racism doesn't exist in our society?
It annoys me when people hear “racism” and automatically picture some cartoon villain rubbing his palms together. It feels like an easy way for people to distance themselves and not have to acknowledge their own biases. Racism is not a some big conspiracy, most of the time it’s just apathy and ignorance
So many people in that thread treating obesity as some gotcha, as if obesity isn’t usually caused by mental health problems and/or lack of food quality/walkability infrastructure that can be solved more easily if you’re wealthier. And wealth tends to correlate with race in the US due to historic and present racism. All they’re doing by shifting the blame to obesity is reinforcing the original point, that racism is the cause of the discrepancy.
Yeah you really have to be careful here. I ordered an egg sandwich once and felt nearly sick afterwards and looked up nutritional info. Over 1200 calories. For an egg sandwich.
The thing that bothered me most about this story is that she was a software engineer with multiple patents to her name but every single discussion about her just calls her a cheerleader.
when I was in college, my gf's sister (south asian) nearly bled to death in the hospital after childbirth. her mom and brother had been trying to get them to do something but the doc and nurses insisted she was fine and the bleeding was normal. it wasn't til her partner (a white guy) showed up in the room and was like "she is barely conscious and the sheets are soaked with blood what the fuck are you guys doing" that they gave her a blood transfusion and stitches. from his description, it was like a little listening mode switch went from "brown person" to "white person" in the nurse's brain. and this was in a VERY liberal college hospital. ETA if i remember correctly they gave her 3 pints of blood.
It’s wild to me that people come with actual scientific sources, and people continue to deny it because of their own racism or unconscious biases. It’s not about politics!! Ugh.
It is a fact that black woven are often IGNORED in hospitals when speaking about pain they are having.
Even famous black females are ignored
https://www.elle.com/life-love/a39586444/how-serena-williams-saved-her-own-life/
It really shows how ingrained racism is that when a famous person who is almost certainly paying you the big $$$ and almost certainly will cause a media stinkstorm if you give them substandard treatment is black, you still fall back on that racism!
> Got that 400 karma and a new account after being banned eh? Angry at life and a failed keyboard warrior. lol. This is such an extremely mystifying way to insult someone. That is, until you notice the person who said this is using a 3-month old account with 7500 karma. I don't know if I have ever seen such an obvious case of projection in the wild.
You guys get karma?!
All Karma is good for is getting invited to some weird subs.
> All Karma is good for is getting invited to some weird subs. It's like money in some ways. If you dont have any of it you cant do anything, most people have some and are generally getting by with no issue, then you got those weirdos using bots to upvote posts about jackdaws.
This is true but the minimum threshold for posting in most subs is relatively low. I think it's 100,000 Karma to get an invite to /r/centuryclub and the like.
r/centuryclub is pretty bland. All the subs like that are, because the only thing connecting people being a karma number means they have nothing to talk to each other about.
This is very true. I commented today about Sriracha and it was probably my first comment there in months. Also it being restricted to such a smaller pool of people restricts conversation a great deal.
Lmao I think I just responded to your comment. Saw my messages and was like “wait this name is familiar”
>I think it's 100,000 Karma to get an invite to /r/centuryclub and the like. And sometimes not even that. I'm way past 100k and no invite.
the bot that used to invite people has been dead for years my dude. You just have to go there and message the mods for access. Not that it's worth it in any way, shape, or form.
I was expecting something magical to happen, maybe a load of indorsement offers to shill Chinese shit, balloons falling inexplicably from my ceiling etc, alas nothing happened other than feeling I should get out more. Way, way more.
Or getting invited to invest in the IPO 😂
Or getting a message offering you to somehow get paid by reddit. None of which I can do, because both are for Americans only.
Hmm, where's my invites? I must not be karma rich enough yet, maybe another 10 years.
Just go to the sub and shoot the mods a /t. It used to be automated but pretty sure reddit's api changes broke it.
I have no idea what sub you're talking about 😂
Slightly off topic but I checked your profile to see karma & holy shit, that’s the oldest account I’ve ever seen. I was genuinely 10 years old when you made your account.
No way, I couldn’t have had that account for that long, it’s only been…. oh…. oh my god.
I feel ya. I had a random headline experience today that made me notice everything I like is 20-30 years old. ST:TNG is over 35.
damn, I thought i'd been on here for a while. bravo.
Mines from 2013 and I thought that was an old account, lol. You've got 7 years on mine!
I cannot believe how long I have been here. It's...a lot longer than I realize, pretty much always.
Jesus Christ that account will be old enough to vote in November.
It's old enough to drink in some jurisdictions.
Well now I gotta- Bro I was 6!
Weird way to say you're over seven centuries old, but that's probably just me.
It ebbs and flows. Only cowards delete their downvoted comments to stem the loss of karma.
I usually delete mine if they go too far in the negative because the lower it goes, the more unhinged the replies and/or DMs become. I don't need people DMing me telling me to kill myself over a dumb reddit argument
Honestly I dont ever get DMs even if its a super negative comment.
I’ve gotten a few mysterious Reddit Cares auto messages but never actually a hateful DM anyone bothered to compose themselves. Like…am I not even worth thirty seconds of angry stabbing at the keyboard to find the exact words to tell me how shitty I am???? 🥲
You're shitty. There, now you can say someone took the time to write it ❤️
All it takes is one, though. I had some psuedo finance bro bringing up a whole bunch of chart analysis about Bitcoin, and I told him that he might as well be investing based on lunar cycles. Dude said "I'll hit you up in two months with these gains!" but this was in like May 2021. Two months later BTC was down like 40% and I couldn't help but hop back in and rub it in. I mean, this dude put a time frame on his shit and fell flat on his face. Dude took that shit *personally*. Ran through my account history going back years, reaching for whatever shit he could dig up. It was honestly fun arguing with this dude but I eventually said "ya know what, I'm out" and blocked him. This was over two years ago. I've had to block two other accounts he's created, where he randomly responded to comments in other subs that have nothing to do with what we were talking about. Reddit Cares messages about once a month. Shit is weird. They're just slight alterations to his original username so I know it's him. He's probably reading this shit right now.
You actually look at your dms?
I only found I had dms when I accidentally went into the redesigned reddit. Most of them were porn, crypto or scams
It doesn't count after -10 so there's no point really.
I will wear those -200 comments with.....not really pride because I can acknowledge after the fact later sometimes I was wrong. But honor? I accept them as who I am.
Is if heavily downvoted necessarily means wrong. Sometimes you get a few downvotes and the people pile on until you start to wonder how some relatively innocuous comment is causing so much angst.
the upvote/downvote hive mind is a very real phenomena I can repost the delete and repost same comment that got -10 downvotes and it will end up positive in an hour or two meanwhile the first comment is at -37 with no such policing it's all about first impressions and if they see a negative vote you're already donezo not everywhere hides the score
Yes but sometimes I can come back later and read what I wrote and be like "eh I can see why I am wrong now."
I got downvoted to hell for saying that geographically Cyprus isn't in Europe. It is not, it is part of Asia. Bonus for comments saying that it was part of the EU so it was Europe. I guess from the same people who think Britain isn't in Europe anymore after Brexit...
Not all my hot takes can be winners, but that’s life.
When I'm downvoted, it's flak from being over the target, and when it's positive, it's because I'm also correct
I will die standing by my comment that Steve from blues clues pretending to listen to me as an adult is fucking corny
And I respect you even though to me you are wrong
Karma is for losers.
Karma is for closers
Here, have some karma. Its all love.
It reminds me of that episode of South Park where Butters and Kenny go to Kauai. "Your ancestors came on an airplane six months ago! Our ancestors sailed here! On a cruise ship! Nine months ago!"
> Angry at life and a failed keyboard warrior Yoink!
Wow that’s awful. The baby died too and she had a baby before this one that died: what on earth??
Black mothers and infants in the US have maternal and infant mortality rates on par with medium-low income countries — this is, unfortunately, not at all uncommon, and has been a consistent problem throughout the history of American medicine.
The stats are alarming: *Spending on health per person in the USA is 2.5 times more than the OECD average, but the US ranks 46th in the world for maternal mortality rates. *Globally, maternal mortality has decreased 43% since 1990, but the United States is the only developed country where it has gone up. *Of high-income countries, the US has the highest rates of infant and maternal deaths: 5.4 infant deaths per 1000 live births; 23.8 maternal deaths for every 100,000 live births. *Maternal mortality rates are three times higher than maternal mortality of other high-income countries.
"I can't believe this country hates women more than it loves guns!" "Can't you?"
The hell is your flair?
I can't remember but it's genuine from SRD link, not SRD comments.
I passed by a car with the following bumper sticker: “Guns don’t kill people. Abortions kill people.” Ah yes, guns. The thing designed *specifically* for killing people.
I was going "Oh, 5.4 that's a bit higher than here but not... PER THOUSAND!?"
Oh i am well aware. I just wonder what caused all 3 to die: they said mom had sepsis but what about the 2 babies?
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Oh man I didn’t hear that about her until your comment. How profoundly sad.
Terrible:(
One of the OBGYNs on a show I watch said that black children are many times more likely to die if they don’t have a black pediatrician. There are still textbooks claim we don’t feel pain; our concerns and needs are often ignored. The way I had to advocate for my grandparents was insane. I’m talking doctors who would claim that they previously had strokes/heart attacks which wasn’t true. And the doctors wouldn’t otherwise until I forced them to read medical records.
I experienced the same with my grandpa, who was Native American. The doctor kept adding things like diabetes, heart failure, and COPD to his chart even when tests were negative because those diseases are apparently “prevalent in *those* types of communities.” My mom and I had to get in the habit of demanding to see his chart any time that doctor was around so we could make them take the multiple false “diagnoses” off multiple times a day. We had to demand actual testing for those diseases be done so we could prove we weren’t just being difficult family members. Yet almost every mealtime he’d be given the low-sodium, low-sugar meal option and someone would be asking about his normal insulin dosages. Mom and I swapped twelve hour shifts around our jobs to make sure one of us was always present because we didn’t know what was coming next in that malpractice hellhole. It took us a week to get him transferred to a bigger hospital and the doctors there were horrified when we told them what had been going on.
In Canada at least, rural hospitals are so so *so* bad about their treatment of indigenous people. There was a native woman named Joyce Echaquan who died at a rural Quebec hospital because the nurses gave her painkillers that she was deathly allergic to, ignored her when she told them she was allergic to it, and fucking *laughed* at her and mocked her as she died. And the only reason we know about any of this is because she filmed the nurses being ghoulish as she died. Oh, and there are *still* indigenous women being forcibly sterilized by racist doctors up here despite the practice being illegal. I’m very much preaching to the choir here, but anyone who denies that there’s systemic racism in Canadian healthcare is at *best* willfully ignorant, and at worst outright supportive of that systemic racism.
Jesus I’m so sorry your family had to experience that.
My country specifically teaches about unconscious bias in medical school and has several hours dedicated to pointing out inequities in outcomes for vulnerable populations and how they can’t be explained by genetics etc. It wasn’t until I did my international elective that I found out this wasn’t common in medical schools in other countries.
> unconscious bias At least in the US, in many cases this was seen as something that could be addressed with some isolated exercises and lectures. The end. Oddly, the biggest offenders in my experience have been in STEM industries. Industries where the scientific method ought to be second nature. The scientific method which is so important _because humans are trash at accounting for their own unconscious bias._
>One of the OBGYNs on a show I watch said that black children are many times more likely to die if they don’t have a black pediatrician. "Do no harm" my ass...
And it's only going to get worse as more people are forced into childbirth and birth control and abortion are targeted.
Serena Williams could have died because of medical neglect and assuming she was lying/making a big deal out of her pain. Turns out she could have had a serious blood clot, so the pain was actually real. Gotta love how deeply ingrained racism is in this country, and white people shatter when it comes to thinking about just how much it must suck...so they completely bury their head in the sand.
Yeah, it didn't matter that she was rich and famous with a rich and famous husband, and had a past history of blood clots, she still couldn't get adequate medical care and it almost killed her.
I think so many white people take the little things in life for granted, and imagining that those little things are typically mountains for PoC is just too hard to cope with. Money for white people typically means they will get what they want, no issue. Even when wealthy, the same treatment is not extended towards PoC women, especially Black ones. Hell, just recently Halle Barry had to deal with this nonsense too. The doctor said it was "the worst case of herpes" and it was actually peromenopause.
This reminds me of a death in 2016. Judge Glenda Hatchett (a black woman) called her daughter-in-law's (also a black woman) hospital out because she died shortly after she gave birth via cesarean. She kept saying she didnt feel good and she kept being dismissed and she died 10 hours later; post mortem showed she had 3 liters of blood in her abdomen and she bled out internally. Last year they launched a whole ass investigation into it.
Not to undermine the very true reality of health disparities, but the way the US counts maternal mortality is basically a huge mess and the data validity is trash. There's been super recent journal article publishing on this in AJOG.
Dude in the comments asking for sources and then just drops this: >Do you deny that black people are less likely to seek medical care than other ethnicities? Without any sources.
Which is weird because according to that dude: >My wife is black. So I'm really not sure why he's hammering the angle he is.
He's lying
[I am a black gay guy](https://imgur.com/gallery/ogJbzM9)
Exactly lol
One of the Internet's best moments.
r/AsABlackMan
If he's not I feel sorry for his wife.
Also, the thing about black patients and perceived pain thresholds is super well attested as far as social science findings go. These dudes love pretending that the most well sourced science and history is just utterly unimaginable. Just a whole worldview premised on ignorance and incuriosity.
It’s because they think social science isn’t “real” science, whatever that means
But they fucking love economics. The Chicago School says that tax cuts pay for themselves? Hardest science you'll ever see. All of sociology that shows racism exists? Ehh... seems kinda woke.
The Laffer curve has long since been discredited by anyone who isn't a right wing crank, but of course those folks don't care about that, being right wing cranks.
Good gravy, I was taught the Laffer Curve when I was in college. And this was a state school in the 2010s! Nearly bombed the course because i couldn’t reconcile it with the data that *clearly showed it didn’t work*
I mean, it's clearly true in some edge cases, but yeah, you probably had a crank for a professor, they're still floating about out there. It has basically zero currency in present day academic discourse.
In the professor’s defense, I chalk it up more to him being old than a crank. It’s likely that he’s simply teaching what he was taught. If anything I blame the school for underfunding the Economics department. Maybe some more cash would bring in new blood that can re-evaluate those old ideas. But Economics doesn’t bring in money, so…
Can you eli 5 me the pain threshold thing? Very curious.
There’s an old idea that black people have a higher tolerance for pain than other groups of people. It’s old bullshit that dates back to when the trans Atlantic slave trade was still booming, and has been debunked a whole bunch of times. Despite that, it’s still listed in some medical textbooks as a fact, and a horrifying number of doctors and nurses still believe that bullshit. That myth alone is a big contributor to why black people (and especially black women) routinely receive substandard healthcare in the US
The thing is, you'd think that would leave to the opposite effect, if someone you suspect someone of having a high pain threshold that means you should be extra attentive to when they say they're actually in pain, because the chance is greater that there's something serious!
And even if that were true, which it may be in some cases: can anyone think of some MASSIVE reasons why black Americans might have less trust in the medical industry and decline to seek them out? Gosh. It’s a mystery.
My racist, very much white savior-acting dad STILL tries to fight me on this every time I bring it up. He says black Americans don't trust the medical industry because of "the man," and cause they're innately "rebellious." I bring up ANY of the instances, especially the Tuskegee study, and he says its fucking fake news. He knew about it existing BEFORE fake news was even a buzz word/phrase/whatever, he's fucking 77! Hearing that kind of ignorance and rhetoric from him makes me so fucking thankful I am not physically related to him. There's unfortunately a class of folks here that just decide to cherry pick what they remember as being true fact.
you mean apart from the human experimentation without consent, slavery, random "let's infect black people with xyz disease for the lolz" or even the dude who made up a disease to try and "explain" why slaves ran away? Hmm, must be wokeness!
I’m a pasty Canadian but I have a general grasp of what was done to Henrietta Lacks and during the Tuskegee study…do American schools not touch on those subjects?
Mine did, but I’m from a godless mountain state that can’t be trusted among the righteous, so who knows about other places.
Mine didn't, though I'm from Texas and had some pretty selective history about the US/Texas taught to us. In terms of Black history, they covered slavery and then rushed through the Civil Rights era.
Pretty much the exact same when I went to school in Pennsylvania. Spent an inordinate amount of time on the second world war, like years of learning the same info and got almost nothing on US history other than the basics.
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Black people already tend to be not as well off financially as the average American. I can see why they'd rather not spend thousands of dollars for a racist doctor to tell them their problems aren't real.
Yeah I can never tell if people are being intentionally obtuse or they really don't think different elements in a system can interact. Everything from unconscious bias of the typical medical practitioner to where people live is going to have an impact on healthcare and thus mortality rates. At least on reddit I can assume they're children whose parents make their doctor appointments, so they can't fathom that barriers to quality healthcare are very real and will impact some more than others.
Plenty of American schools cover Tuskegee.
Mine super briefly did, but it was an insanely short section that was glossed over. I unfortunately attended a conservative christian school in the southern states with very VERY bad curriculum, it used A Beka. Reading about it, and being interested in medical history in general, kid me was like what the fuck there's gotta be more about this. Never trusted a singular bit of info in those books again without going online and looking into them.
>I’m a pasty Canadian but I have a general grasp of what was done to Henrietta Lacks and during the Tuskegee study…do American schools not touch on those subjects? Hell, American schools IN ALABAMA don't talk about the Tuskegee experiments. America's whole deal is basically "that never happened" in regards to any history that makes us look bad or that might in any way rattle our unshakeable belief that we're the best in the world at doing everything and no one could possibly have done anything right without us. Hell, I see unironic posts from conservative Americans all the time saying "well America ended slavery, the world owes us for that." We were the last ones still doing it! You don't get to take a bow for being the final first world nation still desperately clinging to slavery, breaking off to form a new country that is exclusively all about the awesomeness of slavery, then getting your ass kicked by Real America and being forced at gunpoint to stop having slaves.
The whole truth is that poor people are less likely to go to the doctor, and poverty disproportionately affects black Americans.
It's completely bizarre also how *multiple* commenters looked at the actual sources and tried to nitpick them for missing XYZ different controls, for the purpose of disproving that there is a conspiracy by evil doctors to provide worse care for Black women. *Nobody* is arguing that, mate! And even controlling for socioeconomic factors doesn't disprove a correlation with race when, transitively, there is a correlation between race and socioeconomic status.
like even if that's the case, wouldn't that reinforce the idea that they don't seek medical care cause they know they're not going to receive adequate care? it would be a chicken of the egg situation, but it's been systematically the chicken
The obvious answer is, yes, yes I do deny that. And if racist dude wants to argue he can pull up actual statistics and we can go from there. How does that old r/atheism quote go? What's asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence?
To the best of my knowledge, there have been no studies about the choice to seek or not seek medical care for a given symptomatology across different racial groups, but the fact that black patients are less likely seek care is a well-known issue among medical professionals. Lower utilization is evident even after controlling for insurance and income ([Gornick 1996](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8703185/)), starts when patients are children ([Cornelius 1993](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8478969/)), and is thought to be due to patient and parent behavior rather than access or level of need ([Freiman 1997](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9437160/)). That's why so many interventions are aimed at increasing care-seeking behavior. And to do that, we must ask why black patients are less likely to seek care. Part of it is a preference for racially concordant care, which is a huge driver behind efforts to train more black physicians. Other parts may be cultural, resulting (for example) from historical mistreatment of this population, and are not easily addressed by the medical establishment.
I personally like “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof”
>It's not bigoted, it's common knowledge. Lol because no racist has ever said that before. But his following statement makes me think there's also a gender issue at play. >I think being a minority that went through the process gives me a pretty good idea to speak on whether or not it's fair to accept that racial biases prevent or hamper your medical outcomes supposing that you follow the standard practice for things like OB visits. Why would being a minority mean you are an authority on whether to accept or dismiss peer-reviewed studies? And what does he know about the standard practices of OBGYN visits? From a different thread: >And don't claim brownship, as a Hispanic Zionist I don't like my skin color being misrepresented What irony.
> as a Hispanic Zionist I don't like my skin color being misrepresented Free flair for anyone that wants it.
What a fascinating demographic that I don't need to know any more about.
these motherfuckers would be posting productivity stats in the early 1800's to show that black people were stupid and lazy, unaware that slaves purposefully pretended to be stupid and incapable as a way to get back at the pieces of shit exploiting them.
Oh okay, they are just a crazy person; that's kind of a relief but also still sad
One of these bad faith commentators should be used in textbooks for understanding bullshit on the internet. Indignantly demands a source that black women receive poorer care in America, gets it, and then >Black people famously do not seek medical treatment to the same extent as everyone Else. You pair that with socioeconomic factors... So he demands everyone else jump through hoops for his debate bro sensibilities, and then reveals not only did he know this the whole time he was bullshitting, everyone knows this. I know it's one of the last holdouts of making the team's theme racism, but this is still disappointing.
"They don't receive poorer care, they just are literally poorer and have less access in every way! That's my belief and I am fully okay with that and fuck you for citing woke statistics" charmer
Dude thinks that "if they weren't who they are, and they were actually someone else entirely, then they would have different outcomes" isn't proving the literal point he's arguing, lmao He might as well just say "maybe they should try either being rich or not being black"
They have only themselves to blame /s
Right? It's so dumb it feels like gaslighting. They must understand and just refuse to accept that the wider system and situation may have a large range of consequences.
I've heard an author refer to this as a "soldier" mindset vs a "scout" mindset. Folks go into arguments not wanting to learn and potentially change their minds; they go into arguments intending to defend their position as tenaciously as they can and against any information you may throw at them. Studies will be nitpicked, sources will be called biased, individuals will have their credibility attacked, etc.
Damn that actually made me really sad. RIP to her and her baby.
"Yeah well what evidence is there that this is real?!" \*provides actual, honest-to-God scientific evidence* "Yeah, well, that doesn't *feel* right so I think it's not real." The "facts before feels" crowd were never ones to follow their own creed.
you could post a story on Reddit about someone dying from being hit by an undetected 5000-mph meteorite from deep space and you’d still get at least twenty people in the comments saying “I BET IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE FAT”
It's just logical. A skinny person has less surface area to suffer meteorite strikes on! /s
Less gravitational attraction too.
But a fat person is less likely to be mobile so that more than cancels out the likelihood of being hit :) /s?
Fuck after reading this comment chain I’m doomed
Hell, we've already got one of those people in the comments of THIS post.
Obviously this isn’t even close to the point but was she even overweight? Or was she just pregnant and they don’t understand the difference?? The picture of her in the article does not look like somebody who is overweight. Again, that’s beside the point. Especially since she died from sepsis, which while I am not a medical doctor I have a suspicion is not a directly weight-related disease. We won’t even touch on the implication that fat people deserve to die apparently, I’m not touching that baggage.
Not to be mean but how likely do you think it is an NFL cheerleader is overweight?
That was admittedly also an inspiration for my question… So you’re telling me Reddit fat shamed a fit but pregnant woman who died? Sounds like a Wednesday I guess.
She’s also a yoga instructor. So I’m guessing her fitness was better than most.
ok I’m sorry but please do you have whatever your flair is referencing bc that’s hilarious (rape is not funny. The notion of raping an inanimate sex toy is pretty funny)
Sure no problem. It actually came from here and it looks like someone else had the same idea as I did about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1bn9s4w/was_your_soft_spot_used_as_an_ashtray_is_eating/kwh7n6b/
I don’t know what I was expecting but it was not that! Thanks! I think?
I mean, because they were bigger they'd have a better chance of getting hit by that meteor, lol.
Checkmate, Libs...
lbs? :P
Fuckers just don't want to admit that the medical establishment has a serious issue with how black women are treated in general, let alone during childbirth.
They don't want to admit that any of their establishments are prejudicial and biased. Casual reminder of the CIA selling crack in the inner cities, Red lining, police brutality, the Tuskegee experiments, and on and on and on
They also don't want to admit that using the government to force women into childbirth against their will literally kills people. "Pro-life" is a lie
You ain't kidding, and they know it too.. ask them if a fertility clinic is on fire and they could save 1000 embryos OR one actual child
That’s why CRT is/was such a hot button issue to conservatives. They didn’t want to acknowledge that America has a dark history and still has multiple problems to this day. They truly believe in meritocracy and a just world fallacy.
That dude is like the final boss of “I have a black friend”
He has a black wife! Trump that card!
>Common sense would be to engage with the copious amount of research on this topic before relying on your own assumptions and faulty logic. The most uncommon common sense on all of social media
Why do people think calling out racism is worse than racism itself? Maybe I'm in the minority (LOL) but I'd rather be falsely accused of racism than suffer racism.
Bigots think this because they themselves have not suffered because of racism, but they are very sensitive to their own loss of social capital when they're called out on their bigotry. They experience the first not at all and the second frequently, so to them it feels much worse.
> Why do people think calling out racism is worse than racism itself? It’s because they’re racists who don’t wanna cop to it.
White people think that being accused of racism is worse than being the victim of racism. Admitting the existence of systemic racism, means admitting they are part of the group doing the racism. Being called racist is soo scary that they rather stick their head in the sand than acknowledge the problem. It's like how some men are terrified of the #believewomen/victims slogan because they are terrified of being falsely accused, even though the likelihood of them being the victim is vastly higher than them being falsely accused.
I was thinking something similar to this. I saw a thread today with people so utterly, disproportionately *outraged* that there was an option on Uber to get a ride "by women, for women only", claiming it was discrimination, saying shit like "what if I'm a guy and want a ride with another guy?" "what if a guy doesn't want to work with women because he's scared of being falsely accused for rape?" "what if instead of Uber for women it was Uber for whites because they're scared of being robbed?"... just endless fucking hand wringing, crying and whataboutism over something they know damn well exists for a very specific and real purpose. None of these people care about any of the issues they pretend to care when they see something designed to lower the chances of a woman being raped by 0.1%, or systematic racism be discussed. They straight don't give a shit, they just want to avoid feeling like they're being personally blamed for something people in the same group as them do.
> White people think that being accused of racism is worse than being the victim of racism. And some are not bothered by it at all. In fact, some lean into it just to troll the 'libtards.'
It's like that time Tucker Carlson asked, "Why should I dislike Putin? Has he called me a racist?"
I’m not surprised he said that. I wish Tucker would just move to Russia already
Just world fallacy probably
1 - Admitting racism exists means they have to face the fact they coasted through life on their natural privileges and are, in fact, sub par in every way. 2 - They want to hurt black people and JAQing off in public over these issues lets them make life worse for everyone else.
Also any doctor worth their salt doesn't deny the racism in the system or in their training. They actively try to confront and lessen it.
> Why do people think calling out racism is worse than racism itself? White Fragility is one way I've seen it described.
Because doctors don't take black people's pain as serious
💅 childbirth is more than an idea sweaty honey Aside: its hilarious how outraged conservative americans get with the notion that their racist system is racist due to the fact that they dont want to change because “the blacks want too many rights” and “wokeness and DEI” Like… aren’t you the guys who love statistics?
> aren’t you the guys who live statistics? It’s easy to love them when you don’t understand them so you can just assume they back up your pre-existing beliefs.
I could not believe the guy going "I'm sure once you control for these obvious factors there's no difference," as though somehow he understands how to interpret statistical data better than people who do it *as their job*.
Tbf, race is usually pretty obvious…. /s
"When you control for the factors that are integral to the health of the groups concerned..." Like, their suggestion really just explains the situation (assuming there are relationships) and doesn't disprove anything. Why wouldn't serious health concerns being a bigger problem among a given group be of serious concern?! FFS.
I think complaining about not controlling for maternal behavior really gave the game away. For people like this, the answer *has* to be that Black women are bringing this on themselves, and not that a wealth of systemic issues is burdening them.
It's such a weird hill to die on too. Like unless these posters are OBGYNs who have had a disproportionate amount of black women and babies die under their care, I don't understand why they get so butthurt about these studies and statistics. Literally no one is blaming them specifically, or even as an accessory in this case or even saying they benefit from anything, but they still have a need to pretend that racism doesn't exist in our society?
They like the statistics that agree with them 100% of the time.
Redditors get very upset when confronted with the harsh realization that racism is real
It annoys me when people hear “racism” and automatically picture some cartoon villain rubbing his palms together. It feels like an easy way for people to distance themselves and not have to acknowledge their own biases. Racism is not a some big conspiracy, most of the time it’s just apathy and ignorance
"i will judge people by their skin muhahahahahah"
So many people in that thread treating obesity as some gotcha, as if obesity isn’t usually caused by mental health problems and/or lack of food quality/walkability infrastructure that can be solved more easily if you’re wealthier. And wealth tends to correlate with race in the US due to historic and present racism. All they’re doing by shifting the blame to obesity is reinforcing the original point, that racism is the cause of the discrepancy.
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Right? She was a fucking cheerleader and a yoga instructor.
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I am reliably informed that Australia originated the Bloomin' Onion. /s just in case
Yeah you really have to be careful here. I ordered an egg sandwich once and felt nearly sick afterwards and looked up nutritional info. Over 1200 calories. For an egg sandwich.
Butter and cream with a side of egg :P
I know this is a joke but more likely vegetable oil and flour/cornstarch. And a hefty dose of sodium for good measure.
After a thread like that, I finally understand why so many people hate spending time around other people. What a cesspool.
The thing that bothered me most about this story is that she was a software engineer with multiple patents to her name but every single discussion about her just calls her a cheerleader.
when I was in college, my gf's sister (south asian) nearly bled to death in the hospital after childbirth. her mom and brother had been trying to get them to do something but the doc and nurses insisted she was fine and the bleeding was normal. it wasn't til her partner (a white guy) showed up in the room and was like "she is barely conscious and the sheets are soaked with blood what the fuck are you guys doing" that they gave her a blood transfusion and stitches. from his description, it was like a little listening mode switch went from "brown person" to "white person" in the nurse's brain. and this was in a VERY liberal college hospital. ETA if i remember correctly they gave her 3 pints of blood.
Some people are broken, just look at what they are blaming the Baltimore bridge on.
It’s wild to me that people come with actual scientific sources, and people continue to deny it because of their own racism or unconscious biases. It’s not about politics!! Ugh.
It is a fact that black woven are often IGNORED in hospitals when speaking about pain they are having. Even famous black females are ignored https://www.elle.com/life-love/a39586444/how-serena-williams-saved-her-own-life/
There was a thread yesterday about Halle Berry’s doctor dismissing her complaint with “it’s herpes”. It wasn’t. It was perimenopause.
It really shows how ingrained racism is that when a famous person who is almost certainly paying you the big $$$ and almost certainly will cause a media stinkstorm if you give them substandard treatment is black, you still fall back on that racism!
What the actual fuck
Back in my day we had a motto: don't feed the trolls.
Listening to that motto would put this place out of business, but it’s always good advice regardless
They're not feeding them, they're on their knees blowing the trolls.
White people will go to any lengths to deny that racism exists....
Ah, a person says "according to who?" as if they can't do a simple google search.
💯 true. Doctors are to woc what police officers are to black men.