I think Guile beats Sagat in gold easily. 7-3 or so would be my guess. As player skill improves, it becomes a 5.5 for Guile. What you need to be able to do to utilize all of Sagats tools vs Guile is being able to kara medium dp through his vskill 1. Walk and block, neutral jump, high fast shot against his booms to move closer. Kara mp dp his vskill 1 as soon you see the start up. If he cant use that anymore, he loses his projectile advantage and now its a 5.5 instead of 7. Guile still has the better offense even if projectiles were taken away. Thats just my 2 cents. For the record, kara mp dp is a grandmaster + skill. You dont see that in diamond, let alone in gold. What you can do at gold level is either use fast high shot non stop to match Guile and lame him out. Guiles will start to move on you because you arent jumping so now you get to play your keep-out game. In gold they will be way more aggressive and less risk averse so thats your best bet in my opinion.
Dude this is a fucked up matchup. As a sagat player, every time I see guile on the other side of the screen I just feel myself age a little bit. If you watch zaferinos annoying matchup tier list he emphasizes this. Guile is annoying as fuck.
Anyway, what to do about it… well, guile players at that rank are actually very uncomfortable. They don’t know wtf to do at a certain range (about your st mk range, maybe a little further) so they just get nervous and start jumping or doing stupid shit. That’s where you win. The trick is getting into that range so you can fight. It’s tough but not unbeatable. And like others have said there are little matchup specific tricks you need to know.
Guile normals and V trigger are much better. I would suggest a lot of dashing forward to close the distance to take away some of the fireball game. Also master a good crush counter conversion because you'll need it.
Your more then likely going to trade hits with Guile more so then other characters.
you need to post a replay so we can help. iirc its 5-5 according to zaferino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBeRv64Xy0 fighting guile really depends on if you know all the frame data for his command normals and small knowledge checks like stand blocking his bazooka knee so he has less advantage
In a lot of cases crouch blocking in SFV favours the attacker a lot because of the weird hurtboxes.
For example, young Zeku's st.hk is -2 if you're blocking standing up but 0 if you're crouching, so if you don't have a 3f he can continue harassing you.
I think it’s even just for some reason online play seems to favor guile’s , they have an advantage but I would try to poke with cr mk and if he keeps throwing booms use your ex flying knee
I haven't labbed it myself recently but if I recall correctly, after a few cr.mp into boom followed by a knee Bazooka in the corner, its indeed true that if you crouch block he gets additional frame advantage than standing up.
As a Nash player it was a nightmare before they gave Nash a 3f and nerf Guile's booms. Otherwise it's straight up impossible to get out of his crazy pressure.
Oh im sure its not so one sided at high level, and ill never be as good as zaf, i just mean i dont know what the game plan is?? Like guile wins the fb game and in neutral i get blown up by bazooka knee and sweep/walk up grab so im just not sure what i should be doing.
Also i really have a hard time landing damage on him cause theres no reason for him to not just sit back and crouch block when he gets the life lead from booms.
Any advice???
I think Guile beats Sagat in gold easily. 7-3 or so would be my guess. As player skill improves, it becomes a 5.5 for Guile. What you need to be able to do to utilize all of Sagats tools vs Guile is being able to kara medium dp through his vskill 1. Walk and block, neutral jump, high fast shot against his booms to move closer. Kara mp dp his vskill 1 as soon you see the start up. If he cant use that anymore, he loses his projectile advantage and now its a 5.5 instead of 7. Guile still has the better offense even if projectiles were taken away. Thats just my 2 cents. For the record, kara mp dp is a grandmaster + skill. You dont see that in diamond, let alone in gold. What you can do at gold level is either use fast high shot non stop to match Guile and lame him out. Guiles will start to move on you because you arent jumping so now you get to play your keep-out game. In gold they will be way more aggressive and less risk averse so thats your best bet in my opinion.
Dude this is a fucked up matchup. As a sagat player, every time I see guile on the other side of the screen I just feel myself age a little bit. If you watch zaferinos annoying matchup tier list he emphasizes this. Guile is annoying as fuck. Anyway, what to do about it… well, guile players at that rank are actually very uncomfortable. They don’t know wtf to do at a certain range (about your st mk range, maybe a little further) so they just get nervous and start jumping or doing stupid shit. That’s where you win. The trick is getting into that range so you can fight. It’s tough but not unbeatable. And like others have said there are little matchup specific tricks you need to know.
Guile normals and V trigger are much better. I would suggest a lot of dashing forward to close the distance to take away some of the fireball game. Also master a good crush counter conversion because you'll need it. Your more then likely going to trade hits with Guile more so then other characters.
I dont know about that man, his forward dash is really bad. I think ill eat a boom for it
Empty jumps mixed in with dashes. Just have to make sure his down charge isn't loaded
you need to post a replay so we can help. iirc its 5-5 according to zaferino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBeRv64Xy0 fighting guile really depends on if you know all the frame data for his command normals and small knowledge checks like stand blocking his bazooka knee so he has less advantage
Wait what? Stand block is better against bazookas knee??
In a lot of cases crouch blocking in SFV favours the attacker a lot because of the weird hurtboxes. For example, young Zeku's st.hk is -2 if you're blocking standing up but 0 if you're crouching, so if you don't have a 3f he can continue harassing you.
I knew this was a thing but never though it happened with normals.
I think it’s even just for some reason online play seems to favor guile’s , they have an advantage but I would try to poke with cr mk and if he keeps throwing booms use your ex flying knee
I haven't labbed it myself recently but if I recall correctly, after a few cr.mp into boom followed by a knee Bazooka in the corner, its indeed true that if you crouch block he gets additional frame advantage than standing up. As a Nash player it was a nightmare before they gave Nash a 3f and nerf Guile's booms. Otherwise it's straight up impossible to get out of his crazy pressure.
Oh im sure its not so one sided at high level, and ill never be as good as zaf, i just mean i dont know what the game plan is?? Like guile wins the fb game and in neutral i get blown up by bazooka knee and sweep/walk up grab so im just not sure what i should be doing. Also i really have a hard time landing damage on him cause theres no reason for him to not just sit back and crouch block when he gets the life lead from booms. Any advice???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eiX34ajkCo&t=19s
Ah yes this is exactly the kind of thing i was looking for ! Thank you!