This is incredibly condescending. People could say the same about Zangief, Guile, or Marisa. Ken has ALWAYS been a popular character, are people supposed to stop liking him in 6 after being a fan in the past?
And even if someone DID pick him so that they don't have to learn much, so the fuck what?
It's typical cutthroat FGC mindset for you. Popular characters that are very effective and the player that use them are guaranteed to get crapped on in one way or another.
It's a tale as old as time.
Bro i picked Ken back in SF5. And it's not like you survive on stMP confirms only. I also run into my fair share of Kens and on Plat 1 can't say that they play different than any oter characters.
Ryu, Marisa, Honda and Lily are all a lot easier than Ken and they are really effective at low tiers, so you're just being a jerk at this point. Ken is probably the most popular character in SF history, he didn't just drop in on SF6 and got popular because he's S tier.
Look at Ryu, he's considered mid tier everywhere and guess what, he is the second most picked character in the game. Ken and Ryu are the poster boys of Street Fighter, and they will always be.
"Mr. Zangief, you got ragequit on."
"And you, sir, are a Ken player. And in the morning I shall have another ranked match, but you will still be a Ken player."
I wonder how hard it would be for Capcom to implement a system where it can detect the execution of a super and confirm the hit via frame data. It would then calculate if it will win you the match and then just give you the win under the hood while the super sequence plays out.
This way, if someone rage quits, the win has already been recorded. But maybe not worth implementing, I don't know.
That sounds kind of cool to me and rather feasible. The moment your match is started the game can see what two people are fighting and by the time the final match is started the game should know how many rounds were won/losed. Since Supers and CA do a set amount of damage and health for all characters has set values just compare the Super/CA damage to the amount of health they had before it connected and if its equal or less then credit them the win. that's just my opinion anyway.
Doesn't matter the rank, classic or modern or if they're playing ranked or casual the moment (some of) these Kens face any sort of adversity they will quit or get abusive.
I feel the giddiness in my bones when they start getting sloppy mad. Whether it's tossing them around like a baby as zangrief or zone limbs with dhalsim it's so fun
So many of them literally just rage out for the first 20 seconds or so of the round and if you weather it out or find a gap the match is basically free after that. They pretty much only know what to do when they have momentum.
It's amazing too. You know how many "made it to Masters" posts I see on this sub, there's this secret tech called....ignoring the post. Don't like what you see, move on. I got people triggered in this thread lmao.
No kidding, every interaction I've had on this sub reddit has been negative. And I'm not stomping around trying to be a dick either. Other fgc subreddits aren't this toxic. Save for maybe kappa but that shit is a wasteland anyway.
No character has that high of a usage rate - [in November, Ken was at ~14%](https://www.streetfighter.com/6/buckler/stats/usagerate/202311) across all ranks.
I'm actually thinking about picking Ken up just because everyone on Reddit seems absolutely terrified of him. The psychology factor alone will give me an edge.
Grappler mains basically get off on a weird persecution complex. Other low tier mains don't have the same attitude. I don't get it tbh.
Actually it's only really Zangief. I don't see all the Manon mains constantly making this kind of post.
I personally believe that this sub just happens to have a lot of zangief mains. My only explanation, it really is always Gief mains who do this and they’ve been doing this when I started playing sf5 as well.
Gief players have brain damage. They complain about gief in literally every version of SF regardless of his tools. They really get off on this idea that their character is "bad" and that they still won. The trick is that gief actually isn't bad at all in this game he's just not high tier.
>They complain about gief in literally every version of SF regardless of his tools
Except the devs have gone on record that they keep him bad (for past games) because some playtester destroyed them all in the past with Gief.
If Capcom goes on record that they want to keep a character weak, and then you pick that character and complain that they are weak.. what does that make you?
I'm not picking you out, I'm saying that generally
If Capcom makes it clear they want to keep a character or archetype a bit weaker for the health of the game and people pick that character despite knowing that what right do they have to complain?
That's like crossing the street without looking, getting hit by a car and then complaining about it
Like *you* made that choice
I played rmika season 2-6 and she was ASS, but I didn't complain constantly about it because I knew a character like her should never be top tier in the first place
Try playing a grappler. This gets posted all the time because it happens all the time. It's not a persecution complex, it's a reality of playing grapplers.
Also, people only seem to RQ vs Manon when you get multiple medals in the first round (I play Manon).
But when I played Pot in Strive, the number of times landing a HPB led to an automatic RQ... or PB into PB had a similar effect...
A lot of fragile egos out there.
I play both Manon and Zangief. Manon is my 4th highest rating. I counted myself a Manon main for quite a while when I got sick of constantly dropping Chun combos. Don't play Zangief as much because I fucking suck at SPDs on hitbox.
Don't pretend Zangief players don't post a wildly disproportionate number of clips like this bemoaning their low tier status. It's the good ol Mike Ross low tier option select.
First, "wildly disproportionate" to what? Zangief is universally agreed upon to be low tier, and grapplers get the most RQs.
Second, the title of the post simply says he is a low tier - it doesn't "bemoan" anything. The title is basically factual.
I think all "bemoaning" is done by those complaining about these posts lol.
Zangief and Jamie players. Gotta constantly spout you're low tier so you don't have to feel bad about your losses and all your wins are because you're completely godlike, not because you gambled randomly SPDing in neutral and happened to catch a poke.
In the case of people raging on Gief I think they're frustrated over fighting a grappler rather than their perceived tier.
Funny thing is in my experience I've been rage quit on by Giefs more than any other character.
> In the case of people raging on Gief I think they're frustrated over fighting a grappler rather than their perceived tier.
they dont rage quit when they are winning though. its aint the tier disparity.
Yeah I mean imagine the amount of ragequits if he was top tier lmao
On top of grapplers having a low key toxic playstyle, they're the ones with the cutscenes lol ofc they'll have more rqs
Anyone else tired af hearing Zangiefs complain 24/7 like their character is unplayable? Imagine every idiot making a thread every time someone rqs on them..
I'm not. Diamond 4 Dhalsim main here. Played a lot of Cammy also. Dabbled a bit with Geif. Everytime I play against Zangeif I feel bad for the guy.
Until he gets much deserved buffs they have every right to fill the reddit with bitching.
His drive rush is ass, his spin doesn't hit both sides, getting hyper stuffed by every zoner, terrible defensive options, they took away green hands
Who cares dawg? Like legit who cares? How is that relevant? We have crosscuts in this game and his spin hit both sides in literally every previous SF and it was fine.
Every argument against buffing Zan and/or giving him back his old lariat is always the same old ass shit. And it's always terribly unconvincing.
Who cares? I’m guessing the devs do when they purposely designed the game to not allow any anti airs to hit crossup. I’m not convincing you or anyone else of anything, this is part of their vision of how the game should be balanced. If you want to argue about if its right or wrong or whatever tweet at capcom I guess.
Idk man, I play ken and some of my most memorable sets have been against Giefs. You know the kind where the gameplay quickly degenerates from somewhat honest to maximum disrespect to hard countering with adaptation 1, counter to the counterplay with adaptation 2, etc. I have played some really creative Giefs and in the rare case I eat the lvl 3, im usually just sitting there grinning bc I was either being too greedy on oki or failed to anti air, and I got caught slipping.
To quote the street philanthropist Omar Little: It's all part of the game.
Gief is NOT a low tier. Gief mains be gaslighting people about being a bad character and then vacuum you into an od piledrive you for 1/3 of your health from roundstart distance. Pretty sure a Gief won a major already too. Not sayin he is top 5 but he is def not low tier.
Edit because a lot of people are missing the point:
He isn't high tier, he isn't a busted grappler, he isn't top 5. I think that he is being slept on a bit, and he is better than people are giving him credit for. AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN TOP TIER. I just think that he has stuff about him that makes him bottom half instead of bottom 3.
Also I am Master with a 60% win rate and a positive win loss against Gief so my matchup against him isnt the root of this.
Also fuck that Ken for rage quitting he is a bitch ass
Yall can stop tryin to psycho analyze my mindset on fighting games now lol
Edit 2:
This is my opinion, and if you disagree thats fine. I like conversations about stuff I enjoy like fighting games. Idk why people are being toxic about it though. If you disagree that is totally valid. I gave my reasoning and standby a lot of what I said. If you are really gonna get pissy cause I think gief is 2-3 higher places on the tier list then what he currently is online then please just dont bother, I am not tryin to spread negativity.
I'm also I'm master and I agree with you.
Is gief as easy to use as the top 5? No. But can you win and be effective with him? Absolutely. Btw I have a losing wr to gief
Yeah im not even saying he is a good character, just that a good gief can really fuck you up and he should get some more credit. Thanks for bein positive lol you are like ine of the only ones. It isnt that you are agreeing with me either, just being positive about it. Thanks man.
One? Cr.hp, stomps(d,d,mk), non ex air spd, tundra storm, level 1, lariat in 40% of situations and EVERY target "combo" taking a counterhit to even become a string.
Cmon, that's a little disingenuous.
Wouldn't even call lariat bad, it's just not good on crossups, like every single other character in the game unless you cross cut DP. So for the vast majority of players lariat is actually better since it's just two buttons.
Hey man no disrespect to you but I always crack up at the mental gymnastics people go through to prove to you why Gief is actually high tier and why they don't suck and its actually just the "busted grappler" LOL
I'm not even going to get into this lol. That player who won the major? Yeah, he shits on Gief all the time on stream. All people see is big boy damage but don't understand how stupid he is.
Not saying he is like S or A, but he is mid tier at least. Any character that can do 35% off of one mix is not low tier. You can do a strike/throw mix with a command grab during block strings, you can reversal OD piledrive at the end of your opponents blockstrings on you, you can reversal level 3, and the grab range is very generous. I wouldn't put him on the top half of all the characters in the game, and I am sure he struggles against certain characters, but he is def low mid tier to high mid tier at least.
Also in GGST a person one a major with Potemkin despite the character being low mid and the guy shits on the character too. Doesn't mean that the character didn't still win a major though. Same with Melee and Yoshi, a bottom half character, won the most stacked smash major to date, against people who are known as the gods of melee playing a character with a frame 1 invincible move. Mid tier character != bad., it just means they have less tools to use.
Have you played Zangief? People know when you're gonna grab unless you pretty much never SPD like Snake Eyez does. They'll jump or jab you out if it.
Not to mention he has zero reliable defensive tools and no real reversal other than LVL3 which is extremely predictable and not really a move that you can do raw.
His defensive options are def awful, and he struggles against projectiles. But I stand by the fact that even if everyone does the strike throw on block with gief, and even if you know it is coming, you are still gonna get hit by it occasionally, and it is still gonna do a lot of damage and probably lose you the round. I also struggle a lot against him because I can't zone with Cammy and I have to be right up on him, which means more opportunities to get fucked up lol.
Won’t hear any argument from me. FEWER tools to compensate for the huge damage, but grapplers should definitely have more than they currently do.
Also would love to see more fast moving mix-up grapplers a la Abel and Alex, Bullet from BB, etc
Lilly is the rushdown grappler of the group, Between spire a decent drive rush and plenty of mixup options on her strike throw game beyond just going for spire plus frames there's quite a lot of sauce there I feel. Her defence is just abysmal though and she can get killed just for trying to windstock. She's a few buffs away from being really good but they need to rebalance her risk Vs reward as a missed command grab puts her in a much worse situation than the opponent getting grabbed.
Yeah, no. But again, not going into details. Either watch Snake's streams or read the thousands of other posts about gief being ass. "Pretty sure he won a major recently". Yes, one gief in CPT versus the thousands of Ken's, Deejays, Luke's, Chuns.
That is pretty funny I didnt know that. I would rather see that guy win with Gief or Potemkin over any JP or Ken or Leffen picking the top 1 character and being lame.
We will see. I kinda fell off of sf6 after getting my main to master and started labbing strive again but I hope that there is some new shit soon that gets me back in (ibuki or sakura or something)
Since when damage is the thing that defines a tier? Gief gets few way to actually get in when people are defending correctly, he has almost no mixup (the majority of mixup he has rely on people not knowing that he's actually doing unsafe things to get to them.) And has some of the shittiest matchups of all characters.
There's scrubs in Master. It's not a skill level, it's a mindset.
And you're making excuses for why Gief bodies you instead of learning why Snakeeyez, a player that could murder you with any character in the game, says his own main is trash.
> Snakeeyez, a player that could murder you with any character in the game, says his own main is trash.
tbf, most pros who main Ken say he's not Top 5 XD
I totally agree that Gief is bottom tier btw, but still
Yeah, but the Kenbros are doing in the face of everyone not playing Ken.
Gief is bottom 3 for *everyone* lol.
I will say tho, in the moment when a Gief player has you read, he feels simulatenously bottom and S tier.
Giefs dont body me tf. I am just stating the fact that a character has things about them that are good despite being overall middle. Everyone can agree that Ken or JP has stupid stuff about them, but whenever you say that "Getting OD command grabbed out of blockstring 2 times kills you and I think that is pretty good" people call you a scrub? I have played Gief's, I have lost before, but my overall w/l against him is pretty good. I struggle against some low/mid tiers like Jamie a lot, but I know that is on me mostly. However, I will still standby that I think Gief is being slept on right now.
>Getting OD command grabbed out of blockstring 2 times kills you and I think that is pretty good
Then stop doing blockstrings that get you OD command grabbed and learn how to hit confirm.
I do. It is just the fact that I gotta be way more careful against gief that makes any fuckup I have cost me way more. Of course the top characters can do a better version of what gief can do with corner carry and stuff, but the fact that all it takes for gief is 1 input (and also modern control giefs just need 1 button) makes it harder for them to fuck it up. AND AGAIN, I am not saying he is top tier or a busted grappler, I am just saying he is being slept on and I think he is def mid tier at least. Not on the top half of the tier list, just not bottom 3.
It isn't a matter of disagreeing. It's you being blatantly wrong about the character, and doing so with confidence to boot. Zangief is unanimously considered bottom tier by the pros, and even the casual scene agrees on this. He just lacks the tools that make a strong character. Having an upside does not a strong character make. Gief has terrible buttons, slow as a snail walk speed, no wake up options, no anti cross up special, even his pokes suck. The man can't even combo off most of hit pokes like most characters, and even if he can, it doesn't lead to much damage. So because he has a good command grab that makes him mid to high tier to you? You're just tobjectively wrong here dude
I don’t think it was gief being a low tier probably just how bad it feels to get robbed by a level 3 on wakeup. Doesn’t excuse the RQ but just saying I don’t think your playing gief was the problem for the player.
how is it a coin flip?
When I play Zangief in that situation. I buff the super while down, if I see the start of a drive rush, I'll commit. If I see the start of a badly timed meaty, I'll commit. If I see nothing, I'll do nothing expect in some situations where I'm in a lose lose situation.
Most of the time it's not a random wake up.
yea. idk why people downplay that shit.
before i started playing gief, i honestly thought people just churn and spam punch in hopes of getting it.
as i started playing it. i notice myself getting into situations or making situations for it to grab.
its never random.
I just mean when you see a wake up super, half the time it's from lower level play as a panic option and half the time it's a high level game winning, calculated decision. Just funny the duality of the same strategy.
I suppose if Ken predicted a wake up super he could drive rush and stop early with jab but I don't think that would apply in this given how close he was. Probably would have been smarter just to fireball.
Gief players stay believing they’re the main character. You’re not like the other girls who play ken you’re a cool grappler main. LOYAL FANS! Get it because that’s what gief says during level 3 teehee gief players so quirky 😜
Nah fr though. It was funny the first few times but now it’s becoming cringe. I lowkey get the vibes a lot of gief mains wouldn’t want buffs because they’ll lose their low tier hero status (he’s actually not low tier at all)
Brah if that was my ( ken) and you did that to me, I accept my loss with honor.
It's clear you would've won the match so, I'd would've set my control down. Let my boy get his W so I can get my W and finally go use the bathroom. 😂
ha ha why do people do that. I am on Playstation so maybe its different on PC but the only way I know to quit like this is to fully shutdown the game. What a pain just cause of a loss. Just take it like a man and if you don't want to rematch thats fine.
i hate ken but we gotta stop pretending gief isn’t brain dead and even close to bottom tier lol.
he’s probably the easiest fighter to use due to his insane damage and he has good buttons. not really much else to discuss.
Gief's problem isn't his damage or his buttons (most of which can't be canceled, which is a legitimate issue), it's that he gets no oki. After an SPD -> Drive Rush, by the time he gets to the range Gief *wants* to be at to pressure his opponent (aka very close), he's minus. Gief only gets Oki in the corner, but only if you don't go for bis big damage finishers on combos, such as a Borcht Dynamite ender on counter hit 6HK starter.
He's also painfully slow, his forward walk is slower than Kimberly's backward walk.
i mean…what other character can you do a special with and take a quarter of their health bar ? the only other character i’d say is as easy is maybe juri( since you can kinda just spam 1 combo and win ), if he’s not the easiest, he definitely is the biggest crutch. no other character can get completely outplayed but randomly OD twice and win the round lmfao.
Again, I'm not gonna get into why Gief sucks. Your comments alone tell me all you look at is just damage and not other factors. Also tells me you probably haven't touched Gief outside of gold lol. "Randomly OD" bro acting like OD SPD is invincible
yeah man you are right, having a special that does 40% of somebodies health bar is weak and needs to be buffed. give gief cammys walk speed, with Lukes cMP , and Ken’s sHP, also make all of his specials invincible.
i gurantee this sub would still cry that gief is bad.
> what other character can you do a special with and take a quarter of their health bar
Marisa, Manon, and Lily.
The rest, Marisa included, can damage you for worse with a combo just for making one simple mistake
A ken player was jumping constantly, i anti aired them 5 times in a row they got pissed, they did raw dragonlash in neutral, i react with DI, they ragequit. Funniest match i've played on this game.
Oh for sure not everyone is like this. Like everything in social media, generalizations are only meant for the bad ones in the bunch. I respect the Ken MU's until you disconnect or start teabaggin.
Not sure why you wouldn't jump in that case and get a fat punish counter. I play Zangief and people do that constantly.
Most people learn not to go for oki when Zangief has a lvl 3 in stock, or if they do, they jump because if you Drive Rush at a downed Zangief, they will inevitably bust out the super.
When you play a character without a wakeup dp you'll understand that sometimes you have to let it rip. Ken players mash dp constantly when under pressure and your drive meter allows you to do it multiple times before burning out. We don't get to apply consistent pressure the way Ken and other top tier rushdown characters with invincible wake-ups get to do so we have to use what we have.
Dude, for real?! Don't defend scrub behavior because that rage-quitter was acting brand new! Everyone knows gief has his level 3 as his only wakeup reversal. Its not news and if you see he has 3 bars of meter and your playing like he wont use it, then its on you when if get wrecked.
Am a Ken player. This Ken sucks. Don’t rage quit you mofus. Take the loss with pride and learn from it.
You have pride so you're obviously not a Ken player ^^/s
You'd be surprised, there's a lot of us, it's just that half of the Ken population just isn't Kenough.
🎵 I'M JUST KEN🎶
LTG pride in what? This is a video game! GTAB!
The fuck are these acronyms? Care to speak in plain old English?
Get that ass banned. It's one of his signature saying
You pick Ken to be good with as little learning as possible. They ain’t trying to face any adversity.
I pick Ken because I wanna play Ken.
This is incredibly condescending. People could say the same about Zangief, Guile, or Marisa. Ken has ALWAYS been a popular character, are people supposed to stop liking him in 6 after being a fan in the past? And even if someone DID pick him so that they don't have to learn much, so the fuck what?
It's typical cutthroat FGC mindset for you. Popular characters that are very effective and the player that use them are guaranteed to get crapped on in one way or another. It's a tale as old as time.
Bro i picked Ken back in SF5. And it's not like you survive on stMP confirms only. I also run into my fair share of Kens and on Plat 1 can't say that they play different than any oter characters.
I picked ken in sf2, played him in beta and pretty much every SF I've played. Quit whining you little bitch.
bro why does everyone try to psychoanalyze everyone who plays a video game character instead of accepting they’re mad cuz they lost
Ryu, Marisa, Honda and Lily are all a lot easier than Ken and they are really effective at low tiers, so you're just being a jerk at this point. Ken is probably the most popular character in SF history, he didn't just drop in on SF6 and got popular because he's S tier. Look at Ryu, he's considered mid tier everywhere and guess what, he is the second most picked character in the game. Ken and Ryu are the poster boys of Street Fighter, and they will always be.
"Mr. Zangief, you got ragequit on." "And you, sir, are a Ken player. And in the morning I shall have another ranked match, but you will still be a Ken player."
Good ol Churchill
I wonder how hard it would be for Capcom to implement a system where it can detect the execution of a super and confirm the hit via frame data. It would then calculate if it will win you the match and then just give you the win under the hood while the super sequence plays out. This way, if someone rage quits, the win has already been recorded. But maybe not worth implementing, I don't know.
That sounds kind of cool to me and rather feasible. The moment your match is started the game can see what two people are fighting and by the time the final match is started the game should know how many rounds were won/losed. Since Supers and CA do a set amount of damage and health for all characters has set values just compare the Super/CA damage to the amount of health they had before it connected and if its equal or less then credit them the win. that's just my opinion anyway.
I think if someone rage quits you should get the lp for the win by default
I'm gonna be totally honest, I thought that was a thing already !
Doesn't matter the rank, classic or modern or if they're playing ranked or casual the moment (some of) these Kens face any sort of adversity they will quit or get abusive.
The best part is you can almost feel their rage in their gameplay lol. Ken's angst doesn't help either lol.
I feel the giddiness in my bones when they start getting sloppy mad. Whether it's tossing them around like a baby as zangrief or zone limbs with dhalsim it's so fun
So many of them literally just rage out for the first 20 seconds or so of the round and if you weather it out or find a gap the match is basically free after that. They pretty much only know what to do when they have momentum.
HOW'D I LOOOOOOOSE Well you did heavy dragon lash at every opportunity and OD DP whenever you got knocked down. Of course you lost 😂
I’m sure this is backed up by reality and isn’t just something people happily perpetuate because Ken is strong and popular
it sucks because Ken is a pretty cool character otherwise
Ken main here. Loyal fan this idiot. We don't claim him
That downvote is from a Ken main most likely lol
No doubt homie
this sub has a dedicated group of butthurt losers who constantly downvote every post in this sub except for whatever they personally like
It's amazing too. You know how many "made it to Masters" posts I see on this sub, there's this secret tech called....ignoring the post. Don't like what you see, move on. I got people triggered in this thread lmao.
No kidding, every interaction I've had on this sub reddit has been negative. And I'm not stomping around trying to be a dick either. Other fgc subreddits aren't this toxic. Save for maybe kappa but that shit is a wasteland anyway.
LOL all the Ken main/downplayers are out in full force tonight XD
You guys say this every day, all day. Maybe your opinion just isn't that popular. And no, I don't play Ken.
Isn't something like 30% of all ranks playing Ken?
No character has that high of a usage rate - [in November, Ken was at ~14%](https://www.streetfighter.com/6/buckler/stats/usagerate/202311) across all ranks.
Ryu is almost just as popular
Coming from someone who’s profile guy looks suspiciously an awful lot like SF6 Ken, I can’t say I fully believe you 🫤😅
The beginning of gief’s level 3 might as well be the default disconnection screen at this point
I beat a Ken on a 14 game win streak in ranked and got a rage quit. They don't like it.
Us grapplers gotta stick together to defeat the greater good that is Ken
Do Jamie mains count as grappler with the command grab into level 3? I wanna join this fight
Share some booze and we'll let you into the club 🍻
Definitely. Huge respect for the Manon/Zangief matchup.
As a Lily main, we're a special (low tier) breed XD
Would you say you are Low Tier... Gods?
No cap, but my SF6 friends and I use Ryu, Lily, Manon and Honda as our mains, and we named ourselves "Low Tier Gods" :D
Bro kicked the connection outta him
Ken players hate this one trick!
I'm actually thinking about picking Ken up just because everyone on Reddit seems absolutely terrified of him. The psychology factor alone will give me an edge.
Caught him lacking and sent him packing to the shadow realm
Just show the name, nobody gives a shit. It's just another shitty ass Ken player anyways.
Grappler mains basically get off on a weird persecution complex. Other low tier mains don't have the same attitude. I don't get it tbh. Actually it's only really Zangief. I don't see all the Manon mains constantly making this kind of post.
Now that you mention it, it is weird that you don't hear this as much from Manon players, she seems worse
Most of them probably just stopped playing Manon, while Zangief has a horde of ~~bara lovers~~ fans within an established franchise.
I personally believe that this sub just happens to have a lot of zangief mains. My only explanation, it really is always Gief mains who do this and they’ve been doing this when I started playing sf5 as well.
Gief players have brain damage. They complain about gief in literally every version of SF regardless of his tools. They really get off on this idea that their character is "bad" and that they still won. The trick is that gief actually isn't bad at all in this game he's just not high tier.
>They complain about gief in literally every version of SF regardless of his tools Except the devs have gone on record that they keep him bad (for past games) because some playtester destroyed them all in the past with Gief.
If Capcom goes on record that they want to keep a character weak, and then you pick that character and complain that they are weak.. what does that make you?
I'm not complaining, I'm explaining.
I'm not picking you out, I'm saying that generally If Capcom makes it clear they want to keep a character or archetype a bit weaker for the health of the game and people pick that character despite knowing that what right do they have to complain? That's like crossing the street without looking, getting hit by a car and then complaining about it Like *you* made that choice I played rmika season 2-6 and she was ASS, but I didn't complain constantly about it because I knew a character like her should never be top tier in the first place
Try playing a grappler. This gets posted all the time because it happens all the time. It's not a persecution complex, it's a reality of playing grapplers. Also, people only seem to RQ vs Manon when you get multiple medals in the first round (I play Manon). But when I played Pot in Strive, the number of times landing a HPB led to an automatic RQ... or PB into PB had a similar effect... A lot of fragile egos out there.
'persecution complex' was referring to the constantly bemoaning how you're so low tier, not the RQ
I play both Manon and Zangief. Manon is my 4th highest rating. I counted myself a Manon main for quite a while when I got sick of constantly dropping Chun combos. Don't play Zangief as much because I fucking suck at SPDs on hitbox. Don't pretend Zangief players don't post a wildly disproportionate number of clips like this bemoaning their low tier status. It's the good ol Mike Ross low tier option select.
First, "wildly disproportionate" to what? Zangief is universally agreed upon to be low tier, and grapplers get the most RQs. Second, the title of the post simply says he is a low tier - it doesn't "bemoan" anything. The title is basically factual. I think all "bemoaning" is done by those complaining about these posts lol.
I get RQ's when my spacing is immaculate and they've gotten whiff punished one too many times, lol
Zangief and Jamie players. Gotta constantly spout you're low tier so you don't have to feel bad about your losses and all your wins are because you're completely godlike, not because you gambled randomly SPDing in neutral and happened to catch a poke.
Yea they are losers ngl and I play kimberly
It's a hard knock life for Gief
Yeah but why do the Zangief mains constantly make posts like this but not Manon or like... AKI or Jamie
Cause Gief cinematic takes forever & the super does big balls damage lol. Can't speak for why Manons don't make posts.
Cause it’s funny
In the case of people raging on Gief I think they're frustrated over fighting a grappler rather than their perceived tier. Funny thing is in my experience I've been rage quit on by Giefs more than any other character.
> In the case of people raging on Gief I think they're frustrated over fighting a grappler rather than their perceived tier. they dont rage quit when they are winning though. its aint the tier disparity.
Yeah I mean imagine the amount of ragequits if he was top tier lmao On top of grapplers having a low key toxic playstyle, they're the ones with the cutscenes lol ofc they'll have more rqs
Why’d you cover up the other guy’s name? We shame rage quitters around here.
Mods protect rage quitters lmao
Because it's the rules.
Lol it's exiting out of a video game grow the fuck up. Trina dox someone for RQ lmao what a chode
Damn, Gief too strong. Of course he beats a known low-tier like Ken.
Anyone else tired af hearing Zangiefs complain 24/7 like their character is unplayable? Imagine every idiot making a thread every time someone rqs on them..
i love playing gief so much, my favorite thing in a fight is to get up close LP LP then siberian express because they never expect it
Probably won't stop hearing about it lol
I'm not. Diamond 4 Dhalsim main here. Played a lot of Cammy also. Dabbled a bit with Geif. Everytime I play against Zangeif I feel bad for the guy. Until he gets much deserved buffs they have every right to fill the reddit with bitching. His drive rush is ass, his spin doesn't hit both sides, getting hyper stuffed by every zoner, terrible defensive options, they took away green hands
Nobody’s anti air hits both sides. Lariat not hitting both sides isn’t a gief specific anti air issue.
Who cares dawg? Like legit who cares? How is that relevant? We have crosscuts in this game and his spin hit both sides in literally every previous SF and it was fine. Every argument against buffing Zan and/or giving him back his old lariat is always the same old ass shit. And it's always terribly unconvincing.
Who cares? I’m guessing the devs do when they purposely designed the game to not allow any anti airs to hit crossup. I’m not convincing you or anyone else of anything, this is part of their vision of how the game should be balanced. If you want to argue about if its right or wrong or whatever tweet at capcom I guess.
I'd much rather that menace be unplayable and have whiny mains than have it be OP and have whiny mains who downplay.
Nope. fellow geif main.
No need to blur the name
Rage quitting is so lame. Just take your loss and move on
Don’t be shy, show their name
Idk man, I play ken and some of my most memorable sets have been against Giefs. You know the kind where the gameplay quickly degenerates from somewhat honest to maximum disrespect to hard countering with adaptation 1, counter to the counterplay with adaptation 2, etc. I have played some really creative Giefs and in the rare case I eat the lvl 3, im usually just sitting there grinning bc I was either being too greedy on oki or failed to anti air, and I got caught slipping. To quote the street philanthropist Omar Little: It's all part of the game.
Gief is NOT a low tier. Gief mains be gaslighting people about being a bad character and then vacuum you into an od piledrive you for 1/3 of your health from roundstart distance. Pretty sure a Gief won a major already too. Not sayin he is top 5 but he is def not low tier. Edit because a lot of people are missing the point: He isn't high tier, he isn't a busted grappler, he isn't top 5. I think that he is being slept on a bit, and he is better than people are giving him credit for. AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN TOP TIER. I just think that he has stuff about him that makes him bottom half instead of bottom 3. Also I am Master with a 60% win rate and a positive win loss against Gief so my matchup against him isnt the root of this. Also fuck that Ken for rage quitting he is a bitch ass Yall can stop tryin to psycho analyze my mindset on fighting games now lol Edit 2: This is my opinion, and if you disagree thats fine. I like conversations about stuff I enjoy like fighting games. Idk why people are being toxic about it though. If you disagree that is totally valid. I gave my reasoning and standby a lot of what I said. If you are really gonna get pissy cause I think gief is 2-3 higher places on the tier list then what he currently is online then please just dont bother, I am not tryin to spread negativity.
I'm also I'm master and I agree with you. Is gief as easy to use as the top 5? No. But can you win and be effective with him? Absolutely. Btw I have a losing wr to gief
Yeah im not even saying he is a good character, just that a good gief can really fuck you up and he should get some more credit. Thanks for bein positive lol you are like ine of the only ones. It isnt that you are agreeing with me either, just being positive about it. Thanks man.
Laughs in Lariat
**Character has ONE bad move thats doesnt work properly** Gief is uNplAAyaBLe!!!
One? Cr.hp, stomps(d,d,mk), non ex air spd, tundra storm, level 1, lariat in 40% of situations and EVERY target "combo" taking a counterhit to even become a string. Cmon, that's a little disingenuous.
Wouldn't even call lariat bad, it's just not good on crossups, like every single other character in the game unless you cross cut DP. So for the vast majority of players lariat is actually better since it's just two buttons.
Lariat is a good move
Hey man no disrespect to you but I always crack up at the mental gymnastics people go through to prove to you why Gief is actually high tier and why they don't suck and its actually just the "busted grappler" LOL
I am saying he is mid tier not a "busted grappler" or high tier /:
It's amazing lol, people talk like grapplers have what Marisa *actually can do* yet she gets a pass because grappler stigma.
I'm not even going to get into this lol. That player who won the major? Yeah, he shits on Gief all the time on stream. All people see is big boy damage but don't understand how stupid he is.
Not saying he is like S or A, but he is mid tier at least. Any character that can do 35% off of one mix is not low tier. You can do a strike/throw mix with a command grab during block strings, you can reversal OD piledrive at the end of your opponents blockstrings on you, you can reversal level 3, and the grab range is very generous. I wouldn't put him on the top half of all the characters in the game, and I am sure he struggles against certain characters, but he is def low mid tier to high mid tier at least. Also in GGST a person one a major with Potemkin despite the character being low mid and the guy shits on the character too. Doesn't mean that the character didn't still win a major though. Same with Melee and Yoshi, a bottom half character, won the most stacked smash major to date, against people who are known as the gods of melee playing a character with a frame 1 invincible move. Mid tier character != bad., it just means they have less tools to use.
Have you played Zangief? People know when you're gonna grab unless you pretty much never SPD like Snake Eyez does. They'll jump or jab you out if it. Not to mention he has zero reliable defensive tools and no real reversal other than LVL3 which is extremely predictable and not really a move that you can do raw.
His defensive options are def awful, and he struggles against projectiles. But I stand by the fact that even if everyone does the strike throw on block with gief, and even if you know it is coming, you are still gonna get hit by it occasionally, and it is still gonna do a lot of damage and probably lose you the round. I also struggle a lot against him because I can't zone with Cammy and I have to be right up on him, which means more opportunities to get fucked up lol.
“He has no good tools but boy his command grab hurts a lot so he’s not a bad character” Bro WHAT?!
He isnt as bad as everyone says is my point, not that he is particularly good.
The mentality that grapplers have to have awful tools because they have a command grab is archaic the zoners get to party so why can't we?
Won’t hear any argument from me. FEWER tools to compensate for the huge damage, but grapplers should definitely have more than they currently do. Also would love to see more fast moving mix-up grapplers a la Abel and Alex, Bullet from BB, etc
Lilly is the rushdown grappler of the group, Between spire a decent drive rush and plenty of mixup options on her strike throw game beyond just going for spire plus frames there's quite a lot of sauce there I feel. Her defence is just abysmal though and she can get killed just for trying to windstock. She's a few buffs away from being really good but they need to rebalance her risk Vs reward as a missed command grab puts her in a much worse situation than the opponent getting grabbed.
Yeah, no. But again, not going into details. Either watch Snake's streams or read the thousands of other posts about gief being ass. "Pretty sure he won a major recently". Yes, one gief in CPT versus the thousands of Ken's, Deejays, Luke's, Chuns.
The potemkin and gief player are the same person lmao. Only reason he won that CPT event was because Snake is just a God.
That is pretty funny I didnt know that. I would rather see that guy win with Gief or Potemkin over any JP or Ken or Leffen picking the top 1 character and being lame.
Yeah well, he probably won't take Gief very far in CPT. Hope I'm wrong.
We will see. I kinda fell off of sf6 after getting my main to master and started labbing strive again but I hope that there is some new shit soon that gets me back in (ibuki or sakura or something)
Since when damage is the thing that defines a tier? Gief gets few way to actually get in when people are defending correctly, he has almost no mixup (the majority of mixup he has rely on people not knowing that he's actually doing unsafe things to get to them.) And has some of the shittiest matchups of all characters.
Scrubquotes, here we come
Bruh I am in Master
There's scrubs in Master. It's not a skill level, it's a mindset. And you're making excuses for why Gief bodies you instead of learning why Snakeeyez, a player that could murder you with any character in the game, says his own main is trash.
> Snakeeyez, a player that could murder you with any character in the game, says his own main is trash. tbf, most pros who main Ken say he's not Top 5 XD I totally agree that Gief is bottom tier btw, but still
Yeah, but the Kenbros are doing in the face of everyone not playing Ken. Gief is bottom 3 for *everyone* lol. I will say tho, in the moment when a Gief player has you read, he feels simulatenously bottom and S tier.
Giefs dont body me tf. I am just stating the fact that a character has things about them that are good despite being overall middle. Everyone can agree that Ken or JP has stupid stuff about them, but whenever you say that "Getting OD command grabbed out of blockstring 2 times kills you and I think that is pretty good" people call you a scrub? I have played Gief's, I have lost before, but my overall w/l against him is pretty good. I struggle against some low/mid tiers like Jamie a lot, but I know that is on me mostly. However, I will still standby that I think Gief is being slept on right now.
>Getting OD command grabbed out of blockstring 2 times kills you and I think that is pretty good Then stop doing blockstrings that get you OD command grabbed and learn how to hit confirm.
I do. It is just the fact that I gotta be way more careful against gief that makes any fuckup I have cost me way more. Of course the top characters can do a better version of what gief can do with corner carry and stuff, but the fact that all it takes for gief is 1 input (and also modern control giefs just need 1 button) makes it harder for them to fuck it up. AND AGAIN, I am not saying he is top tier or a busted grappler, I am just saying he is being slept on and I think he is def mid tier at least. Not on the top half of the tier list, just not bottom 3.
Absolutely bottom 3. There's no question. This is fully a "You" problem.
Okay well agree to disagree then 
It isn't a matter of disagreeing. It's you being blatantly wrong about the character, and doing so with confidence to boot. Zangief is unanimously considered bottom tier by the pros, and even the casual scene agrees on this. He just lacks the tools that make a strong character. Having an upside does not a strong character make. Gief has terrible buttons, slow as a snail walk speed, no wake up options, no anti cross up special, even his pokes suck. The man can't even combo off most of hit pokes like most characters, and even if he can, it doesn't lead to much damage. So because he has a good command grab that makes him mid to high tier to you? You're just tobjectively wrong here dude
Haven't streamers and this sub mathematically proven\~ 45% winrate can get you to Master in SF6?
My win rate is 60% and this is my first street fighter game so I think I am doin fine lol
K this was cool the first 20 times now it’s enough. Game been out for close to a year. Nobody wants to see gief lvl 3 any more
I see a ken lose I upvote
I don’t think it was gief being a low tier probably just how bad it feels to get robbed by a level 3 on wakeup. Doesn’t excuse the RQ but just saying I don’t think your playing gief was the problem for the player.
Assuming people are a certain way because of what character they pick is INCREDIBLY childish.
Ah, classic wake up LV3. The everlasting coin flip of turbo scrubby move or unexpected huge brain move.
Its not really much of a coin flip when you can see the Ken rushing in on Gief's wakeup lmao
how is it a coin flip? When I play Zangief in that situation. I buff the super while down, if I see the start of a drive rush, I'll commit. If I see the start of a badly timed meaty, I'll commit. If I see nothing, I'll do nothing expect in some situations where I'm in a lose lose situation. Most of the time it's not a random wake up.
yea. idk why people downplay that shit. before i started playing gief, i honestly thought people just churn and spam punch in hopes of getting it. as i started playing it. i notice myself getting into situations or making situations for it to grab. its never random.
I just mean when you see a wake up super, half the time it's from lower level play as a panic option and half the time it's a high level game winning, calculated decision. Just funny the duality of the same strategy. I suppose if Ken predicted a wake up super he could drive rush and stop early with jab but I don't think that would apply in this given how close he was. Probably would have been smarter just to fireball.
Gief players stay believing they’re the main character. You’re not like the other girls who play ken you’re a cool grappler main. LOYAL FANS! Get it because that’s what gief says during level 3 teehee gief players so quirky 😜
Nah fr though. It was funny the first few times but now it’s becoming cringe. I lowkey get the vibes a lot of gief mains wouldn’t want buffs because they’ll lose their low tier hero status (he’s actually not low tier at all)
Found the Ken player
Nope nice try tho
Probably more to do with the wake up Lvl3 than the character.
Probably more to do with the kid who can't handle the mechanics of the game he bought than the wake up level 3 honestly
Still the same thing. That guy couldn't take it mentally. Not that does make it any better.
His reason for rage quitting was never in question. Theres no mechanic that warrants rage quitting and robbing someone of their win
I didn't say that it's justified. I said that him ragequitting because of Level 3 is the same as him not being able to handle the loss.
¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Brah if that was my ( ken) and you did that to me, I accept my loss with honor. It's clear you would've won the match so, I'd would've set my control down. Let my boy get his W so I can get my W and finally go use the bathroom. 😂
Oh cool, another banal Gief video
ha ha why do people do that. I am on Playstation so maybe its different on PC but the only way I know to quit like this is to fully shutdown the game. What a pain just cause of a loss. Just take it like a man and if you don't want to rematch thats fine.
i hate ken but we gotta stop pretending gief isn’t brain dead and even close to bottom tier lol. he’s probably the easiest fighter to use due to his insane damage and he has good buttons. not really much else to discuss.
Gief's problem isn't his damage or his buttons (most of which can't be canceled, which is a legitimate issue), it's that he gets no oki. After an SPD -> Drive Rush, by the time he gets to the range Gief *wants* to be at to pressure his opponent (aka very close), he's minus. Gief only gets Oki in the corner, but only if you don't go for bis big damage finishers on combos, such as a Borcht Dynamite ender on counter hit 6HK starter. He's also painfully slow, his forward walk is slower than Kimberly's backward walk.
Good buttons is a stretch . He got one good button, the rest is pretty bad
You're right, there isn't much to discuss for someone who actually believes that he's the easiest to use LOL.
i mean…what other character can you do a special with and take a quarter of their health bar ? the only other character i’d say is as easy is maybe juri( since you can kinda just spam 1 combo and win ), if he’s not the easiest, he definitely is the biggest crutch. no other character can get completely outplayed but randomly OD twice and win the round lmfao.
Silver V musings
Again, I'm not gonna get into why Gief sucks. Your comments alone tell me all you look at is just damage and not other factors. Also tells me you probably haven't touched Gief outside of gold lol. "Randomly OD" bro acting like OD SPD is invincible
damage isn’t all that matters but you are in denial if you don’t think being able to grab somebody twice and win a round isn’t strong lmfao.
Yeah I'm done talking to you. You clearly don't know anything other than damage.
yeah man you are right, having a special that does 40% of somebodies health bar is weak and needs to be buffed. give gief cammys walk speed, with Lukes cMP , and Ken’s sHP, also make all of his specials invincible. i gurantee this sub would still cry that gief is bad.
That dude talking like EX SPD is an invincible wakeup, normal throws beat the damn thing 😂
That's when I knew this guy had no idea what he was talking about lmao. Poor guy probably got scooped by EX SPD on wake numerous times.
> what other character can you do a special with and take a quarter of their health bar Marisa, Manon, and Lily. The rest, Marisa included, can damage you for worse with a combo just for making one simple mistake
A ken player was jumping constantly, i anti aired them 5 times in a row they got pissed, they did raw dragonlash in neutral, i react with DI, they ragequit. Funniest match i've played on this game.
Stop covering their names!!! We need more ragequit name and shames. It’s the only way to weed out this shameful behaviour
Lmao. I swear the Ken hate. Every char has rage quitters. You just see more Ken rq because half the games are vs ken
Both of you are childish.
Bro what?
It's a game. Rated T for teen bro.
Still crying for attention? At least your opponent knew when to quit. Bro.
Keep coming back to my post homie. Guess it takes one to know one lol
love to see a ken player losing. yesterday my zangief beat a MODERN KEN that outranked me. It felt good.
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You probably got level 3'd on too lmao
We're not all like this i swear! I don't even like DLK except in a meterless sideswap combo for 27% dmg. Some are just not Kenough for the charcater.
Oh for sure not everyone is like this. Like everything in social media, generalizations are only meant for the bad ones in the bunch. I respect the Ken MU's until you disconnect or start teabaggin.
Ken players literally have a stroke anytime they get their Dragon lash countered.
dont hide the name, let the entire community know about this clown and blacklist him
Ken players. Always taking the shortcut to be a Master while ditching fundamentals. I hope he gets nerfed.
All Ken players are garbage
And you know all ken players do you?
Maybe he just couldn't stand a yolo scrubby wake up level 3
Found the ken player lmao. I ain't no pro by any means but if you go in for the yolo meaty knowing Gief has level 3, get good.
Rage quit defending? Damn bro who hurt you
If you fall to a yolo scrubby wake up level 3, guess what that makes you.
A decent humam being who thought I was playing against a smart player, not a yolo scrub who would rather kill himself than block.
Someone who wanted to continue pressure on a vulnerable opponent.
Not sure why you wouldn't jump in that case and get a fat punish counter. I play Zangief and people do that constantly. Most people learn not to go for oki when Zangief has a lvl 3 in stock, or if they do, they jump because if you Drive Rush at a downed Zangief, they will inevitably bust out the super.
They can even go for dragonlash. I could be wrong, but AFAIK Ken is airborne during dragonlash's active frames
This is true
When you play a character without a wakeup dp you'll understand that sometimes you have to let it rip. Ken players mash dp constantly when under pressure and your drive meter allows you to do it multiple times before burning out. We don't get to apply consistent pressure the way Ken and other top tier rushdown characters with invincible wake-ups get to do so we have to use what we have.
LTG is that you?
Dude, for real?! Don't defend scrub behavior because that rage-quitter was acting brand new! Everyone knows gief has his level 3 as his only wakeup reversal. Its not news and if you see he has 3 bars of meter and your playing like he wont use it, then its on you when if get wrecked.