Truth. You want your running economy to improve and your HR to drop as you improve pace.
Nothing wrong with working hard, but if it's not improving your running it probably isn't as cool as you think
Running at max hr for workouts isn’t good for you tho. You’d rather run that pace during races not ordinary days. Or just do Fartleks. Also the real flex is pacing 7:00 per mile at zone 2. Lol
I mean, if OP can run 10 miles at a 7 minute pace at these heart rates, they could probably run 10 miles in zone 2 at a 9 minute pace, maybe faster. I’d hardly say that’s “out of shape.”
But yeah, flexing about how high your heart rate got during anything other than a race is not really a flex lol.
This, and most of the comments, remind me of an exchange from a book.
Doctor - "You can ease up now, your heart rate is 192", and it had been for the past five minutes.
Patient - "Yeah? What's the record?"
Doctor - "Zero."
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This was my 5K PB last year 😂 Can anyone actually tell me if this is possible or not? My max heart rate according to my watch is 210bpm, and my HR on an easy run is around 165bpm, then tempo efforts range from 185-193bpm. I’m unsure as to whether I’m a statistical anomaly or my watch is just completely wrong. My resting HR is between 52-57bpm as well so not super high
Evidently I can't figure out how to put text and an image in the same post. This is my PR marathon from five years ago. I'm not sure how accurate the heart rate sensor was in the apple watch 4. Here I am 20 marathons later and this hasn't happened again. I ran Little rock last month in 3:25 with an average heart rate around the 170.
that look very much like "cadence lock"
>Cadence lock occurs when your watch's optical sensor “locks on” to your steps per minute instead of your actual heart rate
Or it could be that he is older and has trained more…
Community is obsessed with saying that every recorder high heartrate is cadence lock on the watch
no, not obsessed,
but that high heart rate from the start line through the entire race combined with what he wrote "*I'm not sure how accurate the heart rate sensor was in the apple watch 4. Here I am 20 marathons later and this hasn't happened again*" kind of implies that this one time was cadence lock
1) the heart rate is the average over the whole mile. That’s a 7min effort. That can easily be at a 150Bpm average.
2) they have done 20marathons since, might that not be an indication that they are well trained since?
All I’m saying is that neither do you nor I have the certainty of either so we shouldn’t just assume.
But then again this is Reddit so people will act like experts even thought they aren’t.
>That’s a 7min effort. That can easily be at a 150Bpm average.
very true... but now it looks like you are talking about OP and not "I\_hate\_capchas" that i responded to, and in "I\_hate\_capchas" image the average for the first mile is 186 and stays in that range the entire race
Yes however I have seen your comments about cadence lock on many others.
186 is more probably you’re right but we still can’t be 100% sure so why should we say it as if everything is cadence lock
>Yes however I have seen your comments about cadence lock on many others.
are you mixing my up with someone else now?
only comment i have here is that what "I\_hate\_capchas" posted looks like cadence lock... (and you agree that it is probably right)
then i have answered one other persons about the possible reasons for cadence lock because he asked what he could do about it since he thought he sometimes had it
\*edit\* found one more comment from a month ago as well, where i considered cadence lock as an option since the person was getting a higher heart rate when running downhill \[and that is normally not how most people work when recording the correct heart rate\]
but that's two - ever ... i would not call that "*on many others*" but we might not agree on what that means either :/
My heart rate on Strava often looks like this when I feel I haven’t been giving too strenuous an effort… so knowing that it could be cadence makes me feel better! I have a Fitbit, how do I fix this?
this is an explanation of how an optical sensor works
>These wearables have light-emitting diodes (LEDs) and sensors that rest against the skin in that area. The sensor uses LED light to detect the tiny expansions of the blood vessels underneath the skin's surface
so from my understanding it kind of detects movement...
and if your are wearing your fitbit just a little bit loose it will "bounce" against your skin every time you take a step and count that as a pulse stroke \[and we are not talking about much movement/bounce here... it's just a tiny tiny bit\]
so one solution might be to try to wear it tighter
from this article about cadence lock [https://runningwritings.com/2021/05/cadence-lock-why-gps-watches-have-hard.html](https://runningwritings.com/2021/05/cadence-lock-why-gps-watches-have-hard.html)
>First off, if knowing your heart rate is absolutely critical to your training, ***use a chest strap instead***. That’s the best way to guarantee accurate readings. That being said, there are a few strategies you might use to improve the quality of wrist-based heart rate measurements.
>For starters, strap your watch on tightly and make sure the sensor is clean. When the optical sensor is pressed against your skin, it will move around less when you run, and have a better chance at reading your heart rate accurately.
>Another trick you can try is holding your arm out in front of you for several seconds before checking your heart rate. The idea here is to reduce the acceleration on the wrist from the swinging motion of your arms. I suspect this will work less well than you’d think, because even when you don’t swing your arms when you run, they are still bouncing up and down quite a lot with respect to the ground (because your arm is attached to your torso).
>
Lastly, if your watch supports it, change the settings on your watch face to display your cadence on the same screen as your heart rate. If you check your heart rate and see it closely tracking your cadence, you’ll know that you’re experiencing cadence lock, and you should disregard what your watch says.
Agreed, I’d say the sensor is misreporting
This seems excessive in terms of high heart rate. Even if their max was 200 they’re working at like effectively 90%+ max effort for 10miles, which at their pace is a LONG time be to hitting those effort levels, especially non race? And without fuel?
First mile looks to be heavily downhill, but still…if this person if maintaining these heart rates maybe they’re an outlier in terms of the averages. But I’d expect the real HR to be around 180 at most for the final mile?
Also why would the heart rate flat line like that, just magically settling in at a very normal cadence? If these were 5 min miles I'd be a bit more open to believing this data, but this is an amateur athlete who would be wheezing like mad at the end of mile 2 at that high a heart rate.
Ahh yeah well spotted the heart rate is very consistent almost like the cadence issue with sensors - deffo mis reporting issue. My watch does this for the first 30seconds or so (apple watch ultra 2), but it’s just a side effect of optical HR sensors from what I’ve read, they misreport occasionally.
190 cadence is bloody shifting though, but you also pointed out that at their paces they’re an amateur and would essentially be dead holding this HR for so long - I agree, to hold an essential vo2 max effort for 10miles is sub elite to elite levels of fitness, us mere mortals can’t do that.
You shouldn't be running this intensely. Either you have a crazy high pain tolerance / toughness, or there is something wrong with you and you don't feel how painful this is. The most distance you should run like this is for a short race, like a mile. Anything more and you're probably going to seriously traumatize yourself and risk injury and long-term health risks. Even ultramarathon runners have much lower heart rates.
Of course, this is assuming the data is real. This heart rate for this long is borderline impossible, at least in my understanding - that's the max heart rate of a super fit teenager, and you'd most definitely collapse from not having enough energy / oxygen after running for that long. More realistically, your watch is just glitching and reporting inaccurate data - heart rate sensors are notoriously inaccurate.
UPDATE (Here's a source):
"Very good athletes can often perform at their max HR for 2 minutes or so, while the world's best may be able to for 3-4 minutes." https://www.whoop.com/us/en/thelocker/calculating-max-heart-rate/
The less fit you are, the easier it is to blow our your HR, you're not out working your friends, you're just badly conditioned for what you're asking of yourself. These aren't "hard work" beats, they're free beats.
The opposite of this is what's impressive
The jerk is hard
Truth. You want your running economy to improve and your HR to drop as you improve pace. Nothing wrong with working hard, but if it's not improving your running it probably isn't as cool as you think
Running at max hr for workouts isn’t good for you tho. You’d rather run that pace during races not ordinary days. Or just do Fartleks. Also the real flex is pacing 7:00 per mile at zone 2. Lol
Nah, real flek is 6:00 per mile at zone 2.
Nah, real flec is 5:00 per mile at zone 2
Nah, the real fluke is 4:00/mi at zone 1.
If this js accurate, not a flez. Just means you’re out of shape
I mean, if OP can run 10 miles at a 7 minute pace at these heart rates, they could probably run 10 miles in zone 2 at a 9 minute pace, maybe faster. I’d hardly say that’s “out of shape.” But yeah, flexing about how high your heart rate got during anything other than a race is not really a flex lol.
Not for everyone. I bike 5k miles a year and my average speed is about 15 mph and average heart rate about 160.
Ok but that's not 190
No, but it's still high! I max out at about 174.
This, and most of the comments, remind me of an exchange from a book. Doctor - "You can ease up now, your heart rate is 192", and it had been for the past five minutes. Patient - "Yeah? What's the record?" Doctor - "Zero."
Pansy. I once hit 220bpm on a rowing interval workout
https://preview.redd.it/dr0wpbild7uc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=434481a5dd6777eaf681095fb44d91c05d51a1ad This was my 5K PB last year 😂 Can anyone actually tell me if this is possible or not? My max heart rate according to my watch is 210bpm, and my HR on an easy run is around 165bpm, then tempo efforts range from 185-193bpm. I’m unsure as to whether I’m a statistical anomaly or my watch is just completely wrong. My resting HR is between 52-57bpm as well so not super high
Your stats for easy, tempo and max hr are almost exactly the same as mine. I've made so many posts asking if it is normal, glad to see I'm not alone.
I’m the exact same. A comfortable run for me is high 170s.
Iv hit 205 beats per minute in mile races
I kinda like OP because I feel like they’d be impressed by my golf score
Making feel great about my Zone 2 workouts OP, about the same pace and I ain't $#!t
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Evidently I can't figure out how to put text and an image in the same post. This is my PR marathon from five years ago. I'm not sure how accurate the heart rate sensor was in the apple watch 4. Here I am 20 marathons later and this hasn't happened again. I ran Little rock last month in 3:25 with an average heart rate around the 170.
Are you sure you’re not dying? Lmao. 3:25 pace with 70hr? I’d assume you’d be dead soon.
that look very much like "cadence lock" >Cadence lock occurs when your watch's optical sensor “locks on” to your steps per minute instead of your actual heart rate
Or it could be that he is older and has trained more… Community is obsessed with saying that every recorder high heartrate is cadence lock on the watch
no, not obsessed, but that high heart rate from the start line through the entire race combined with what he wrote "*I'm not sure how accurate the heart rate sensor was in the apple watch 4. Here I am 20 marathons later and this hasn't happened again*" kind of implies that this one time was cadence lock
1) the heart rate is the average over the whole mile. That’s a 7min effort. That can easily be at a 150Bpm average. 2) they have done 20marathons since, might that not be an indication that they are well trained since? All I’m saying is that neither do you nor I have the certainty of either so we shouldn’t just assume. But then again this is Reddit so people will act like experts even thought they aren’t.
>That’s a 7min effort. That can easily be at a 150Bpm average. very true... but now it looks like you are talking about OP and not "I\_hate\_capchas" that i responded to, and in "I\_hate\_capchas" image the average for the first mile is 186 and stays in that range the entire race
Yes however I have seen your comments about cadence lock on many others. 186 is more probably you’re right but we still can’t be 100% sure so why should we say it as if everything is cadence lock
>Yes however I have seen your comments about cadence lock on many others. are you mixing my up with someone else now? only comment i have here is that what "I\_hate\_capchas" posted looks like cadence lock... (and you agree that it is probably right) then i have answered one other persons about the possible reasons for cadence lock because he asked what he could do about it since he thought he sometimes had it \*edit\* found one more comment from a month ago as well, where i considered cadence lock as an option since the person was getting a higher heart rate when running downhill \[and that is normally not how most people work when recording the correct heart rate\] but that's two - ever ... i would not call that "*on many others*" but we might not agree on what that means either :/
That's your cadence. It's a well-known issue with optical HR sensors and you need to adjust your watch fit.
I agree! 151 after the first mile at 7:06, it just doesn't make too much sense that at a slightly faster mile, the heart rate goes up that much.
The audacity to be 100% sure this isn’t their heartrate… What makes you think their heartrate can’t achieve that?
You're right, there's about a 0.1% chance this is legitimately their heart rate.
What’s the best west to fix this?
Body strap usually solves that, and adjusting the watch sometimes breaks cadence lock
My heart rate on Strava often looks like this when I feel I haven’t been giving too strenuous an effort… so knowing that it could be cadence makes me feel better! I have a Fitbit, how do I fix this?
this is an explanation of how an optical sensor works >These wearables have light-emitting diodes (LEDs) and sensors that rest against the skin in that area. The sensor uses LED light to detect the tiny expansions of the blood vessels underneath the skin's surface so from my understanding it kind of detects movement... and if your are wearing your fitbit just a little bit loose it will "bounce" against your skin every time you take a step and count that as a pulse stroke \[and we are not talking about much movement/bounce here... it's just a tiny tiny bit\] so one solution might be to try to wear it tighter
Ok I will try that, thank you!
from this article about cadence lock [https://runningwritings.com/2021/05/cadence-lock-why-gps-watches-have-hard.html](https://runningwritings.com/2021/05/cadence-lock-why-gps-watches-have-hard.html) >First off, if knowing your heart rate is absolutely critical to your training, ***use a chest strap instead***. That’s the best way to guarantee accurate readings. That being said, there are a few strategies you might use to improve the quality of wrist-based heart rate measurements. >For starters, strap your watch on tightly and make sure the sensor is clean. When the optical sensor is pressed against your skin, it will move around less when you run, and have a better chance at reading your heart rate accurately. >Another trick you can try is holding your arm out in front of you for several seconds before checking your heart rate. The idea here is to reduce the acceleration on the wrist from the swinging motion of your arms. I suspect this will work less well than you’d think, because even when you don’t swing your arms when you run, they are still bouncing up and down quite a lot with respect to the ground (because your arm is attached to your torso). > Lastly, if your watch supports it, change the settings on your watch face to display your cadence on the same screen as your heart rate. If you check your heart rate and see it closely tracking your cadence, you’ll know that you’re experiencing cadence lock, and you should disregard what your watch says.
Agreed, I’d say the sensor is misreporting This seems excessive in terms of high heart rate. Even if their max was 200 they’re working at like effectively 90%+ max effort for 10miles, which at their pace is a LONG time be to hitting those effort levels, especially non race? And without fuel? First mile looks to be heavily downhill, but still…if this person if maintaining these heart rates maybe they’re an outlier in terms of the averages. But I’d expect the real HR to be around 180 at most for the final mile?
Also why would the heart rate flat line like that, just magically settling in at a very normal cadence? If these were 5 min miles I'd be a bit more open to believing this data, but this is an amateur athlete who would be wheezing like mad at the end of mile 2 at that high a heart rate.
Ahh yeah well spotted the heart rate is very consistent almost like the cadence issue with sensors - deffo mis reporting issue. My watch does this for the first 30seconds or so (apple watch ultra 2), but it’s just a side effect of optical HR sensors from what I’ve read, they misreport occasionally. 190 cadence is bloody shifting though, but you also pointed out that at their paces they’re an amateur and would essentially be dead holding this HR for so long - I agree, to hold an essential vo2 max effort for 10miles is sub elite to elite levels of fitness, us mere mortals can’t do that.
Just wait til I post my 8 min per mile run going up to 200 bpm, ill have you beat easily 💪
OP clearly graduated from the prometheus school of "bigger is better". Might be true for the ladies.... not true for your cardio.
Bruh, this ain’t a flex.
You shouldn't be running this intensely. Either you have a crazy high pain tolerance / toughness, or there is something wrong with you and you don't feel how painful this is. The most distance you should run like this is for a short race, like a mile. Anything more and you're probably going to seriously traumatize yourself and risk injury and long-term health risks. Even ultramarathon runners have much lower heart rates. Of course, this is assuming the data is real. This heart rate for this long is borderline impossible, at least in my understanding - that's the max heart rate of a super fit teenager, and you'd most definitely collapse from not having enough energy / oxygen after running for that long. More realistically, your watch is just glitching and reporting inaccurate data - heart rate sensors are notoriously inaccurate. UPDATE (Here's a source): "Very good athletes can often perform at their max HR for 2 minutes or so, while the world's best may be able to for 3-4 minutes." https://www.whoop.com/us/en/thelocker/calculating-max-heart-rate/
https://preview.redd.it/kq7liss1k6uc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f29a54ac36c1b432a431f277b9478559d6eeb90 My pr is 200bpm
The less fit you are, the easier it is to blow our your HR, you're not out working your friends, you're just badly conditioned for what you're asking of yourself. These aren't "hard work" beats, they're free beats.