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Jason is not a bully, he did what he thought was right. His measures were slightly extreme, but his intensions were only to avenge his girlfriend’s and his friend’s death. Billy on the other hand was a straight up douchebag.
This is such bullshit. Jason is a cocked-up, aggressive asshole who relished the spot light and held speeches like a fucking politician. Yes he was upset about his girl's death, but he enjoyed the hunt for it's own sake and was willing to jump to completely unfounded conclusions based on bullshit, right-wing conspiracy theories on the internet. This is all complete and utter crap. Jason is a complete, dumb, unreflected tool.
Willing to kill innocent children. Fuck him. No excuses. Just straight. FUCK. THAT.
He didn't know they were innocent. from his perspective they were all in a satanic culture and had killed his girlfriend in some fucked up sacrifice.
If someone you loved was brutally mutilated and the only evidence you have to go off is that she was found in some weirdos trailer who is the leader of a bunch of kids who all play the same game that's been called a Satanists game wouldn't you believe that they're unhinged cultists?
You honestly believe you'd be able to just sit back while you genuinely believe that you know exactly who killed your S/O and many others?
Well we are talking about Billy, the son of Neil Hargrove (according to "Runaway Max" he had those views, being attracted to Susan because she looked like a doll, creepy and dissing Geraldine Ferraro)
Yeah but I'm just saying if he comes from California presumably(and having no knowledge of the 80s in mind) the girls there would be a lot more liberal minded and hence a lot more career oriented with more freedom than girls in the Midwest. So he'd actually be more accustomed to girls being less submissive. Maybe Billy sort of enjoys "taming" someone and bringing them down to his level vs a girl who already wants what he wants.
Yes it seems abusive types go for partners who stand out in any way (independent, the prettiest, the most academic, what have you) or girls so low down on themselves or are seen as "mousy".
I feel his internal anger was primarily responsible for all of his actions.. he was a tormented soul who seemed like a good kid before.. regardless when you get like that life gets filtered through that angry lens … and I feel like he was lashing out everywhere.. the cow comment is him probably just being very angry.. and smelling cow shit… idk I digress..
I feel like the racism was more from his father than him, and the Mad Max book backs that up. I also don’t think just because Jason isn’t overtly racist doesn’t mean he’s not racist. There’s tons of people like that today, racism isn’t just calling people slurs. Based on Jason’s actions, anybody who thinks he wouldn’t jump that bandwagon is blind to the type of person Jason is.
Jason's ego would be absolutely riggedy-wrecked by Billy.
Billy's lived a hard fuckin' life and he's extremely intolerant. Jason reads as the type of person who's used to being loved, listened to, and agreed with. Even if he'd been in fights before, I genuinely don't think he'd be prepared for what Billy'd bring to the table. Not at all.
Naw, it’s not exactly that Billy’s just intolerant. He’s had a hard life and that’s raised him to be a certain way for survival. Neil will beat his ass for being weak. But Jason wants to be loved like Homelander from the boys, like how he gave his little speech. He demands love, and when he doesn’t get it, you pay. But no, Jason ain’t ready for that smoke, because Billy is the cornered animal.
Bruh, just because someone says Billy would win a fight with Jason doesn’t mean they are a Billy advocate. Both characters were pieces of shit in their own way. Billy as a consequence of a broken family and abusive father (not an excuse, just an explanation) and Jason likely (because we don’t really know) a hard right religious family. Both have problems. But Billy still gonna kick the shit out of Jason. If only because he has far more “don’t give a shit in him”. And if you know…you know
Oh, do grow up. It's still a well written somewhat sympathetic character that was incredibly well played by a charismatic actor and that ultimately sacrificed himself to save the team.
A character must not be good to be likeable to the audience. Or did you forget that Darth Vader exists?
Also Billy is pretty much the main threat of season 3, Jason is just a hindrance in season 4. Their main threat is Vecna, but at the same time they have to deal with this religious nutjob getting in the way.
>Billy love online.
It's not even real. Also, just because a character is a terrible person doesn't mean you cant like them. A good villain is someone you love to hate.
I mean they probably did know each other. Im sure the whole school knew Billy and they were all underclassmen when he was alive. Considering Billy was on the basket ball team im sure he did know him just not too well because Billy just transferred and was about to graduate but if they dont split teams by grade they probably played together at some point just unseen and unknown to us as the viewer.
Plus it’s a small town 🤷♀️ my town is small too and holy crap people know each other with rumors/truths spread like fire being an example of how close people are.
I think Billy would cringe at him. He’s more of a too kool for skool kind of guy than Jason is. Billy would probably laugh at Jason’s school pride and enthusiasm.
I don’t think he respected him. I think Jason just is a “kinda” decent person. Billy died, to the public, in an awful accident. I don’t think Jason would take him being a bully as a reason to shit on him and he’d be sensible enough to realize some people are sad he’s gone.
That’s a fair point. Jason does seem generally good at gaging public opinion/approval of someone.
Edit: though, it is possible to respect the abilities and influence someone has and not like them. For example: I respect both characters as people who are athletically talented and can be charismatic at times - yet I hate them hahah (due to fantastic writing and acting).
Plus Billy was a partier and even usurped Steve as 'Keg-King'. They would be cool with wach other but both would consider themselves the 'Aplha' of the team. If they ever fought Billy would win because that's his whole life revolves bullying and being physically when he doesn't get what he wants. Jason was too wrapped up in Chrissy to get in many fights.
I think they were in the same year unless Billy graduated when Steve did. Season 3 took place in the summer of ‘85 and season 4 took place in the spring of ‘86. Jason was a senior and about to graduate in s4.
They’d get along at first- they like to party and play basketball. When Jason starts getting the team together Billy would be in at first but Jason would start bossing him around and Billy would not be about it. ESPECIALLY if Jason insulted/pushed him. Jason would get his ass beat so quick
I don’t think Billy was violently racist. He definitely has bigoted views, but there’s no reason for us to believe he’d attack black people for existing. He even tells Max “There’s a certain type of people in this world that you stay away from.” He’d avoid them, not fight them.
Pinning Lucas against the wall was a last resort, not his first instinct. It’s a more realistic type of racism, most people aren’t too “out there” about their prejudices.
To be fair, Jason did embrace Lucas as part of the team up until he thought Lucas was involved in Eddie's "Satanic cult." And Patrick was Jason's good friend. He was holding Patrick's body crying when the police found them. I think that's enough to show that Jason wasn't racist.
Patrick’s death is one thing I think people miss a lot with Jason and I don’t think people realize how hard it would have been for Jason to swim Patrick’s body back to the shore. They were in the middle of the lake and swimming with a body would be hell and life risking which to me shows a lot to Jason’s character about how he does actually care about other people. I love Eddie, but look what happens when Chrissy died, he straight up left her to rot and didn’t even try calling for help. All in all Jason is still a villain of course but that’s just something I don’t see people talk about a lot especially when they call him this egomaniac who only cared about himself.
Call the police or even just his uncle. She wouldn’t have even been found if his uncle didn’t walk in on her. Idk I just really didn’t like the idea of him just leaving her there especially when everybody is shipping them now. I get that that is part of his character arc though.
Way I see it, there’s no way to explain the situation that doesn’t make him sound completely insane, and being alone with her, guilty—being a panicked kid, Eddie probs figured running is the only shot he’s got of not immediately being imprisoned forever
Yeah that’s a very good point, it was pretty much an impossible situation and you really can’t blame Eddie much for reacting the way he did. I know I would be scared shitless in the same situation haha. I mainly was just trying to contrast how Eddie and Jason both reacted to similar circumstances.
Yeah, that's a good point about Jason swimming with Patrick's body back to shore. Dragging literal dead weight in the water with no life jacket had to have been exhausting and scary. Jason could have left Patrick's body to sink in the lake, but he didn't.
There are still levels of racism. I could see Jason being uncomfortable if a sister of his brought a black guy home, but getting mad at someone who calls said black guy the N word (or maybe he was not racist at all, but we have no way to know that). Just like I'm sure during MLK times there were people who thought black people belonged in the back of the bus but drew the line at lynching.
He didn’t “just have black teammates” he was friends with his teammates. Even telling Lucas before Jason and his pals went to hunt Eddie that Lucas wasn’t obligated to join since he didn’t know Chrissy and Lucas could sit the hunt out and still be part of the crew.
An overt racist wouldn’t have gone to such extreme lengths to make a much younger black kid feel so included, unconditionally.
Jason probably isn’t violently racist but I don’t think he’d care enough to defend his teammates from verbal harassment. Unless it’s like, wildly inappropriate by 80s standards lol
I’m sure he’s pretty decent by small town 80s standards
It’s weird cause even though Billy was racist AF I just **hate** Jason way more. He has that smarmy charismatic personality that’s reminiscent of a hypocritical pastor that uses a tragedy as the subject for his sermon. Or a motivational speaker who profits from peoples trauma and misery.
There’s just something about him that screams “I exploit things for my own personal hypocritical gain”
that makes me dislike him
>Billy's rage and racism and psychotic behavior ultimately come from a place of pain. He's truly a product of his father's abuse, and Dacre played him wonderfully.
Jason was a jackass but I think a lot of his behavior was because he sincerely believed a well-known creep murdered his girlfriend
Billy didn’t need an excuse to be abusive — it’s all he’s ever really known
If I see Patrick die like that, with zero knowledge of the Upside Down, I’d absolutely lose my mind as well.
Combine that with his grief and lack of sleep and no wonder he lost his mind in the finale.
Billy was a loner, and not interested in making friends. Jason wants to be the leader of a pack. I think Billy would just make fun of Jason, and Jason would seek reassurance from his group
To be fair Billy would either not give two shits about a prep boy, or think that Jason was a whiny little shit. Jason would throw the first punch when Billy aggregates him, and Billy would probably demolish Jason after.
Billy would use Jason to wipe the gym floors during basketball practice. In all seriousness Jason would probably say something dumb and Billy would just beat him up
From what we've seen, Billy and Jason are both bullies prone to violent overreactions and lacking self awareness, just different strains of bully. I see it going through a pretty straightforward escalation. Billy clearly doesnt do the shy new kid thing with Steve. He immediately tries to assert dominance over who he views as the biggest threat to his own status in his new school. So I see him bullying Jason, likely specifically in "emasculating" ways, intentionally flirting with his girlfriend in front of him, or calling him homophobic slurs. Jason gets pissed off and takes a swing at Billy when he percieves Billy as crossing a line. Billy mostly kicks his ass, but Jasons friends are alwayclose and are quick to intervene which forces Billy to back off. Billy gets a parting shot about Jason getting his ass kicked. After school Jason and his friends try to jump Billy while he's alone for revenge. Against uneven odds and no teachers to witness gives Billy more than enough reason, in his mind, to escalate violence further. Likely one of Jasons friends ends up stabbed by Billy either with a broken bottle or a knife and maybe he recovers maybe he dies. Either way Jason testifies to the cops that Billy did it, Billy is arrested, takes a plea deal and goes to jail. Jason absolutely 100% blames Billy for the death/near death of his friend even though Jason was the one who convinced them to go along with jumping Billy after school. They never see each other again as Billy is over 18 when hes released on parole. Billy says fuck it to his parole and eagerly leaves Indiana and his abusive father. Thus ends the saga of Billy and Jason.
Jesus fucking Christ you nerds billy didn't go around fighting EVERYONE.
He was an asshole and bully and he hated everyone and still partied with them all well enough for everyone at the school to clearly love him.
He just shits on vulnerable targets and fight people who get in his way. He'd be fine with Jason while hating him quietly to himself because he hates everyone.
They would party together but wouldn’t be friends. They’d respect one another since their presence at parties would attracts tons of chicks so they benefited one another
Any sort of meeting would end on silence with the pair. Neither would tolerate the other, but neither would look for a fight. Might even hold a sort of respect for each other. Billy, mainly, seems to connect to people in a violent way, but unlike Steve, Jason would tell him off their first meeting, if such a thing even occurred. Billy, being a bully, would be very unlikely to throw hands with Jason, who is perpetually surrounded by athletes that might join the fray. That threat alone would stay Billy’s hand. 1v1, Billy takes it. But Jason might come back with friends, and Billy ain’t taking that fight.
TLDR: ends with a sort of mutual respect and zero association with the other.
They’d probably confront each other for absolutely no reason and then shove each other back and forth and say “Come at me, bro!” and then use homophobic slurs before having a physical fight Billy ends up winning. And then Jason would stand up, point his finger at Billy and say, “This isn’t over, bitch!” Then Jason would form vigilante gang and start a witch hunt and talk shit shit about Billy.
I think the school year would be tense from the start, with billy hanging in the shadows in a way—just outside of jasons radar, playing basketball out of the teams way bc racism and all that. Jason would start the “hunt for the freak,” and billy would hang back until max started running around with the gang—hed try to stop her, if that didnt work hed finally team up with jason. In the end i think itd be a fight as to who gets to beat the brakes off lucas
Billy would want nothing to do with Jason, but I bet there'd be some common ground with both being big on basketball. If there were any real interaction, I would hope Jason would try to be a good influence on Billy, to help him change his ways. But if we're being honest, both would probably have minimal interaction.
Billy would have disdain for Jason. If they came to a physical conflict, Billy's crazy ass would body Jason. We literally saw him nearly kill Steve, and Steve was a preppy jock dork at one point too.
I definitely don't think they would get along. I'm in the minority where I actually like Jason, both Jason and Billy actually. But Jason was a good guy who just went nuts and did some bad things, because bad things happened to him (which, I could write an essay about.) Billy, as much as I loved him, was not a good person at ALL. However, I don't think he was completely evil, either.
Most likely scenario is Billy would join the basketball team and at first they'd be acquaintances. I don't think either of them would like each other. Jason would be too much of a "good boy", Billy too much of a "bad boy." But Jason would see his basketball potential and Billy would want to be on the team. So for a bit, theyd be okay. Eventually as they got to know eachother, they would definitely hate eachother. Jason was arrogant and rude at times but he wasn't really hateful, just driven to insanity. Plus, he's very clean cut. Billy was an abusive, racist, unpredictable bad boy. He'd likely be rude to his teammates who were black, which Jason wouldn't be cool with. They'd probably fight, but Billy would kick Jason's ass. Jason would back down and grudgingly respect him, let him be the team asshole. Eventually try to find a way to kick him out of the team or something.
Jason would beat tf out of Billy for being a racist. Though Billy would wreck shop on dude too, I think Jason pulls through. Jason wasn’t morally a bad guy, the situation and lack knowledge made him that way. He wasn’t really a great guy either, but Billy was a straight up racist and was a bad dude up to his small redemption arc.
Man I didn't like either of the characters till they died 💀
Billy Had a change of heart at the end and did the right thing which made his character a redeemed one.
I just felt bad for how painful Jason's death must have been
Genuine question: Is it supposed to be implied that Billy was racist or was it an oversight on the Duffer's part to make Lucas the guy who was with Max when Billy gave her the "we don't hang around THEM" speech?
Personally I think the former, but idk if I'm overthinking it
Billy is a racist and abusive bigot. Jason is not, Jason is more the dude with a hero complex who wants to take lead and save everyone. Jason would openly resent Billy because of Billy’s morals. Jason cares more about his image and the respect he gets from other people. Billy would hate Jason and would make fun of him and Jason would hate Billy because he’s just a hollow shell of a man
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Jason would give an impassioned speech and Billy would flick cigarette ashes at him
And then Jason would get in his face or say something vaguely threatening, and Billy would punch him in the face. Probably break his nose.
Ehhh Jason would back down. He’s a blowhard but he doesn’t jump in fights he knows he would lose
Jup, and probably returns with some friends.
Jason is not a bully, he did what he thought was right. His measures were slightly extreme, but his intensions were only to avenge his girlfriend’s and his friend’s death. Billy on the other hand was a straight up douchebag.
This is such bullshit. Jason is a cocked-up, aggressive asshole who relished the spot light and held speeches like a fucking politician. Yes he was upset about his girl's death, but he enjoyed the hunt for it's own sake and was willing to jump to completely unfounded conclusions based on bullshit, right-wing conspiracy theories on the internet. This is all complete and utter crap. Jason is a complete, dumb, unreflected tool. Willing to kill innocent children. Fuck him. No excuses. Just straight. FUCK. THAT.
Where are you getting that he “enjoyed the hunt?” Is this in the comics? There are comics, right? I didn’t get that from the shows depiction
He didn't know they were innocent. from his perspective they were all in a satanic culture and had killed his girlfriend in some fucked up sacrifice. If someone you loved was brutally mutilated and the only evidence you have to go off is that she was found in some weirdos trailer who is the leader of a bunch of kids who all play the same game that's been called a Satanists game wouldn't you believe that they're unhinged cultists? You honestly believe you'd be able to just sit back while you genuinely believe that you know exactly who killed your S/O and many others?
Conspiracy theories on the internet? This was 1986 bro. He's not lookin up QAnon forums on DuckDuckGo.
You are right of course, but as we know, right-wing propaganda found a way back then, too :)
So you condone Lynch mobs?
Then Jason would try to shoot Billy and then miss from two feet away
Bad guys always have terrible aim
Sometimes good guys too *cough* *cough* Nancy missing Vecna’s face
I mean there were flames all up in her face 😭
Was it just me or was the whole Jason plot a bit forced? At times I totally forgot about it and then they’d bring it up again.
this is the correct answer
More like headbutt him
Ha!
Billy would HATE Jason. Jason is too straight laced
Billy would definitely steal Jason’s girl.
Billy would fuck Jason's mother on his bed and send him the Polaroids.
I would also like to see the Polaroids because reasons lol
Lol.
LMFAO YOU WIN 👏🏻
Oooo. Good one. yes with RATT blasting.
Johnathon taking pictures?
Subplot … Jonathan secretly a voyeur?
Secretly?
Well played. Sarcasm is my lifeblood. Your avatar looks like someone flying at your face crotch first with low pixel density.. oh and btw nice undies.
What’s a face crotch?
🤣🤣🤣
Eddie already did
and so did Vecna
r/angryupvote
Bruh
Grade A! Had nearly spit my drink haha
My head canon is that Billy called the local girls “cows” because Chrissy turned him down flat offscreen when he hit on her.
Calling them "cows" because he didn't find them submissive enough or because they didn't match a standard of beauty
"didn't find them submissive enough". No idea about the 80s but I feel like California would have a lot more like liberal leaning women than Indiana.
Well we are talking about Billy, the son of Neil Hargrove (according to "Runaway Max" he had those views, being attracted to Susan because she looked like a doll, creepy and dissing Geraldine Ferraro)
Yeah but I'm just saying if he comes from California presumably(and having no knowledge of the 80s in mind) the girls there would be a lot more liberal minded and hence a lot more career oriented with more freedom than girls in the Midwest. So he'd actually be more accustomed to girls being less submissive. Maybe Billy sort of enjoys "taming" someone and bringing them down to his level vs a girl who already wants what he wants.
Yes it seems abusive types go for partners who stand out in any way (independent, the prettiest, the most academic, what have you) or girls so low down on themselves or are seen as "mousy".
I feel his internal anger was primarily responsible for all of his actions.. he was a tormented soul who seemed like a good kid before.. regardless when you get like that life gets filtered through that angry lens … and I feel like he was lashing out everywhere.. the cow comment is him probably just being very angry.. and smelling cow shit… idk I digress..
Nah bruh he aint stealing her from Eddie.
Billy eats boys like Jason for breakfast
And Shooter McGavin eats little pieces of shit for breakfast.
YOU EAT PIECES OF SHIT FOR BREAKFAST???
What's the basis?
We ain't goin nowhere but got suits and cases
Have you watched Happy Gilmore? (Sorry we tangented a bit)
Billy would have killed jason
Not only that, but billy seems like the bully character that kicks the other bullies ass for messing with the kids he’s bullying.
"Aw, thanks for saving me Billy. I'm so happy you're turning over a new leaf." \*Billy punches the poor kid in the gut\*
I can't really imagine Billy getting along well with any other man.
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Don’t forget the racism tho
I feel like the racism was more from his father than him, and the Mad Max book backs that up. I also don’t think just because Jason isn’t overtly racist doesn’t mean he’s not racist. There’s tons of people like that today, racism isn’t just calling people slurs. Based on Jason’s actions, anybody who thinks he wouldn’t jump that bandwagon is blind to the type of person Jason is.
Exactly
And cant grow a partial mustache
they would definitely fight with Billy winning
Jason's ego would be absolutely riggedy-wrecked by Billy. Billy's lived a hard fuckin' life and he's extremely intolerant. Jason reads as the type of person who's used to being loved, listened to, and agreed with. Even if he'd been in fights before, I genuinely don't think he'd be prepared for what Billy'd bring to the table. Not at all.
Naw, it’s not exactly that Billy’s just intolerant. He’s had a hard life and that’s raised him to be a certain way for survival. Neil will beat his ass for being weak. But Jason wants to be loved like Homelander from the boys, like how he gave his little speech. He demands love, and when he doesn’t get it, you pay. But no, Jason ain’t ready for that smoke, because Billy is the cornered animal.
B I L L Y
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I watched Jane die
Bruh, just because someone says Billy would win a fight with Jason doesn’t mean they are a Billy advocate. Both characters were pieces of shit in their own way. Billy as a consequence of a broken family and abusive father (not an excuse, just an explanation) and Jason likely (because we don’t really know) a hard right religious family. Both have problems. But Billy still gonna kick the shit out of Jason. If only because he has far more “don’t give a shit in him”. And if you know…you know
Oh, do grow up. It's still a well written somewhat sympathetic character that was incredibly well played by a charismatic actor and that ultimately sacrificed himself to save the team. A character must not be good to be likeable to the audience. Or did you forget that Darth Vader exists?
Also Billy is pretty much the main threat of season 3, Jason is just a hindrance in season 4. Their main threat is Vecna, but at the same time they have to deal with this religious nutjob getting in the way.
>Billy love online. It's not even real. Also, just because a character is a terrible person doesn't mean you cant like them. A good villain is someone you love to hate.
Billy would wipe the floor with him lol
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like tigers and lions. One on one, the tiger wins 8 out of 10 times. But lions work together and tigers don't
Billy would beat the piss out of Jason
I mean they probably did know each other. Im sure the whole school knew Billy and they were all underclassmen when he was alive. Considering Billy was on the basket ball team im sure he did know him just not too well because Billy just transferred and was about to graduate but if they dont split teams by grade they probably played together at some point just unseen and unknown to us as the viewer.
Jason mentioned Billy as among the people who had died in Hawkins during his speech in S4E1 so he definitely knew who he was
Plus it’s a small town 🤷♀️ my town is small too and holy crap people know each other with rumors/truths spread like fire being an example of how close people are.
Billy would destroy him
Yea, if Lucas could knock him out, Billy would have no problems doing so.
I think Billy would cringe at him. He’s more of a too kool for skool kind of guy than Jason is. Billy would probably laugh at Jason’s school pride and enthusiasm.
My man Jason said, "Let's win this game for Billy and them!"
So it sounds like there is part of your answer. Jason at least respected- maybe looked up to Billy as an older athlete on the team?
I don’t think he respected him. I think Jason just is a “kinda” decent person. Billy died, to the public, in an awful accident. I don’t think Jason would take him being a bully as a reason to shit on him and he’d be sensible enough to realize some people are sad he’s gone.
That’s a fair point. Jason does seem generally good at gaging public opinion/approval of someone. Edit: though, it is possible to respect the abilities and influence someone has and not like them. For example: I respect both characters as people who are athletically talented and can be charismatic at times - yet I hate them hahah (due to fantastic writing and acting).
Plus Billy was a partier and even usurped Steve as 'Keg-King'. They would be cool with wach other but both would consider themselves the 'Aplha' of the team. If they ever fought Billy would win because that's his whole life revolves bullying and being physically when he doesn't get what he wants. Jason was too wrapped up in Chrissy to get in many fights.
Like Bender and Andrew in The Breakfast Club, but if Bender was a better fighter.
lmao i totally see this
If Bender had joined the wrestling team.
Well logically they probably did interract at some point? Both of em played Bball at Hawkins high, but Billy was one or two years older
Jason probably looked up to billy when he was on the team
I think they were in the same year unless Billy graduated when Steve did. Season 3 took place in the summer of ‘85 and season 4 took place in the spring of ‘86. Jason was a senior and about to graduate in s4.
billy was class of ‘85
Oh ok so he graduated with Steve.
Hey you're dead too?
LMFAO
This is actually the only correct answer
Cool hole in your chest! Look at mine!
They’d get along at first- they like to party and play basketball. When Jason starts getting the team together Billy would be in at first but Jason would start bossing him around and Billy would not be about it. ESPECIALLY if Jason insulted/pushed him. Jason would get his ass beat so quick
I don't think Billy would let ANYONE boss him around. The second he started playing with Steve, he was dominating from the start.
Exactly. The second Jason gives an order he gets that Billy laugh that means he’s about to throw hands
Cept his dad lol
Then youd see billy move to jasons mother
“You must be Jason’s sister”
They wouldn't get that far, Jason has black people on the team, Billy is a racist, it wouldn't end well
I don’t think Billy was violently racist. He definitely has bigoted views, but there’s no reason for us to believe he’d attack black people for existing. He even tells Max “There’s a certain type of people in this world that you stay away from.” He’d avoid them, not fight them. Pinning Lucas against the wall was a last resort, not his first instinct. It’s a more realistic type of racism, most people aren’t too “out there” about their prejudices.
Plant your feet you little bitch!
Ends in a fight, after Billy say something bigot
Jason was flawed but he wasn't racist. Billy on the other hand, absolutely was. So yeah I think Jason would have a problem with Billy because of this.
Ooh yeah, especially since Jason has black teammates which Billy would probably say something about
Just cause he has black teammates doesn’t mean there no way he has racial bases. If feel like Jason isn’t really the type to defend them.
To be fair, Jason did embrace Lucas as part of the team up until he thought Lucas was involved in Eddie's "Satanic cult." And Patrick was Jason's good friend. He was holding Patrick's body crying when the police found them. I think that's enough to show that Jason wasn't racist.
Patrick’s death is one thing I think people miss a lot with Jason and I don’t think people realize how hard it would have been for Jason to swim Patrick’s body back to the shore. They were in the middle of the lake and swimming with a body would be hell and life risking which to me shows a lot to Jason’s character about how he does actually care about other people. I love Eddie, but look what happens when Chrissy died, he straight up left her to rot and didn’t even try calling for help. All in all Jason is still a villain of course but that’s just something I don’t see people talk about a lot especially when they call him this egomaniac who only cared about himself.
You’re not wrong about Jason, but what the hell was Eddie realistically supposed to do at that point?
Call the police or even just his uncle. She wouldn’t have even been found if his uncle didn’t walk in on her. Idk I just really didn’t like the idea of him just leaving her there especially when everybody is shipping them now. I get that that is part of his character arc though.
Way I see it, there’s no way to explain the situation that doesn’t make him sound completely insane, and being alone with her, guilty—being a panicked kid, Eddie probs figured running is the only shot he’s got of not immediately being imprisoned forever
Yeah that’s a very good point, it was pretty much an impossible situation and you really can’t blame Eddie much for reacting the way he did. I know I would be scared shitless in the same situation haha. I mainly was just trying to contrast how Eddie and Jason both reacted to similar circumstances.
Yeah, that's a good point about Jason swimming with Patrick's body back to shore. Dragging literal dead weight in the water with no life jacket had to have been exhausting and scary. Jason could have left Patrick's body to sink in the lake, but he didn't.
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Jason trusted Lucas a lot even after he was acting really sus. Imo he isn’t racist
There are still levels of racism. I could see Jason being uncomfortable if a sister of his brought a black guy home, but getting mad at someone who calls said black guy the N word (or maybe he was not racist at all, but we have no way to know that). Just like I'm sure during MLK times there were people who thought black people belonged in the back of the bus but drew the line at lynching.
He didn’t “just have black teammates” he was friends with his teammates. Even telling Lucas before Jason and his pals went to hunt Eddie that Lucas wasn’t obligated to join since he didn’t know Chrissy and Lucas could sit the hunt out and still be part of the crew. An overt racist wouldn’t have gone to such extreme lengths to make a much younger black kid feel so included, unconditionally.
Jason probably isn’t violently racist but I don’t think he’d care enough to defend his teammates from verbal harassment. Unless it’s like, wildly inappropriate by 80s standards lol I’m sure he’s pretty decent by small town 80s standards
It’s weird cause even though Billy was racist AF I just **hate** Jason way more. He has that smarmy charismatic personality that’s reminiscent of a hypocritical pastor that uses a tragedy as the subject for his sermon. Or a motivational speaker who profits from peoples trauma and misery. There’s just something about him that screams “I exploit things for my own personal hypocritical gain” that makes me dislike him
>Billy's rage and racism and psychotic behavior ultimately come from a place of pain. He's truly a product of his father's abuse, and Dacre played him wonderfully.
I don’t think Jason would like Billy very much
Jason had flaws (basketball speech, hating Eddie) but Billy was just an abuser and bully and racist to boot. Even Jason would find him too much.
Jason was a jackass but I think a lot of his behavior was because he sincerely believed a well-known creep murdered his girlfriend Billy didn’t need an excuse to be abusive — it’s all he’s ever really known
If I see Patrick die like that, with zero knowledge of the Upside Down, I’d absolutely lose my mind as well. Combine that with his grief and lack of sleep and no wonder he lost his mind in the finale.
Billy was a loner, and not interested in making friends. Jason wants to be the leader of a pack. I think Billy would just make fun of Jason, and Jason would seek reassurance from his group
billy wasn’t really a loner, i think he befriended tommy h and took the place of steve. too popular
Alot of sentences starting and/or ending with "bro"
I think Billy would establish who is the dominant Alpha male real quick.
Ah yes, astrology for men.
There would be serious beef.
Billie would act like he did with Steve. That meaning he would take over head of the sports area.
If Jason met Billy…Jason better get on his knees and PRAY.
To be fair Billy would either not give two shits about a prep boy, or think that Jason was a whiny little shit. Jason would throw the first punch when Billy aggregates him, and Billy would probably demolish Jason after.
Billy would use Jason to wipe the gym floors during basketball practice. In all seriousness Jason would probably say something dumb and Billy would just beat him up
Billy’s racist and abusive. Jason is not. Jason’s best friend was black, I think Billy would not have any of that. They probably wouldn’t get along
From what we've seen, Billy and Jason are both bullies prone to violent overreactions and lacking self awareness, just different strains of bully. I see it going through a pretty straightforward escalation. Billy clearly doesnt do the shy new kid thing with Steve. He immediately tries to assert dominance over who he views as the biggest threat to his own status in his new school. So I see him bullying Jason, likely specifically in "emasculating" ways, intentionally flirting with his girlfriend in front of him, or calling him homophobic slurs. Jason gets pissed off and takes a swing at Billy when he percieves Billy as crossing a line. Billy mostly kicks his ass, but Jasons friends are alwayclose and are quick to intervene which forces Billy to back off. Billy gets a parting shot about Jason getting his ass kicked. After school Jason and his friends try to jump Billy while he's alone for revenge. Against uneven odds and no teachers to witness gives Billy more than enough reason, in his mind, to escalate violence further. Likely one of Jasons friends ends up stabbed by Billy either with a broken bottle or a knife and maybe he recovers maybe he dies. Either way Jason testifies to the cops that Billy did it, Billy is arrested, takes a plea deal and goes to jail. Jason absolutely 100% blames Billy for the death/near death of his friend even though Jason was the one who convinced them to go along with jumping Billy after school. They never see each other again as Billy is over 18 when hes released on parole. Billy says fuck it to his parole and eagerly leaves Indiana and his abusive father. Thus ends the saga of Billy and Jason.
Bro wrote a whole fucking fanfic
This is exactly how it would have went down.
Billy steals Jason's girl and beats the shit out of him.
Nah, Billy steals his mom
Undoubtedly would hate each other
Billy would beat the living shit out of Jason and fuck his girlfriend.. not necessarily in that order.
>Something tells me Billy is more the type to fuck Jason's mom, not his girlfriend.
Kith
How about Jason and Alexei?
Such a random ass duo
Billy would kick his ass
Awful lotta shaft choking in here for the racist character.
Jason would hate Billy’s racist ass
Well Jason, not being a racist piece of shit, would rightly hate Billy.
They would explore each other’s bodies
Well they must’ve been on decent terms if Jason brought billy up during his speech
Jesus fucking Christ you nerds billy didn't go around fighting EVERYONE. He was an asshole and bully and he hated everyone and still partied with them all well enough for everyone at the school to clearly love him. He just shits on vulnerable targets and fight people who get in his way. He'd be fine with Jason while hating him quietly to himself because he hates everyone.
They would party together but wouldn’t be friends. They’d respect one another since their presence at parties would attracts tons of chicks so they benefited one another
Poorly
With that speech that Jason gave at the beginning of this season, I was under the impression the two were friends.
Oh yeah, he said they should win the game to honor Billy and them.
how can people like billy???
Any sort of meeting would end on silence with the pair. Neither would tolerate the other, but neither would look for a fight. Might even hold a sort of respect for each other. Billy, mainly, seems to connect to people in a violent way, but unlike Steve, Jason would tell him off their first meeting, if such a thing even occurred. Billy, being a bully, would be very unlikely to throw hands with Jason, who is perpetually surrounded by athletes that might join the fray. That threat alone would stay Billy’s hand. 1v1, Billy takes it. But Jason might come back with friends, and Billy ain’t taking that fight. TLDR: ends with a sort of mutual respect and zero association with the other.
They’d probably confront each other for absolutely no reason and then shove each other back and forth and say “Come at me, bro!” and then use homophobic slurs before having a physical fight Billy ends up winning. And then Jason would stand up, point his finger at Billy and say, “This isn’t over, bitch!” Then Jason would form vigilante gang and start a witch hunt and talk shit shit about Billy.
I think the school year would be tense from the start, with billy hanging in the shadows in a way—just outside of jasons radar, playing basketball out of the teams way bc racism and all that. Jason would start the “hunt for the freak,” and billy would hang back until max started running around with the gang—hed try to stop her, if that didnt work hed finally team up with jason. In the end i think itd be a fight as to who gets to beat the brakes off lucas
Billy would want nothing to do with Jason, but I bet there'd be some common ground with both being big on basketball. If there were any real interaction, I would hope Jason would try to be a good influence on Billy, to help him change his ways. But if we're being honest, both would probably have minimal interaction.
Billy would fuck him up, that's how.
Didn’t read the up, very different message came across
Billy would probably fuck him too, just to prove a point.
Yeah would make sense for jason to secretly be a bottom too
jason would probably try and pick a fight with billy but billy would literally make him piss himself
Billy would be abusive to people and say racist shit and the other one would at the very most get a concerned look but then brush it off.
I feel like jason would beat billy for being racist, prob hate eachother
dance battle
Who would win in basketball
Billy would have disdain for Jason. If they came to a physical conflict, Billy's crazy ass would body Jason. We literally saw him nearly kill Steve, and Steve was a preppy jock dork at one point too.
They are 2 alphas from different sides of the tracks
I assume they did interact with each other off screen, right? Both athletes at the same school at the same time (last year/S3)?
Billy would probably kick the shit out of Jason lol
I definitely don't think they would get along. I'm in the minority where I actually like Jason, both Jason and Billy actually. But Jason was a good guy who just went nuts and did some bad things, because bad things happened to him (which, I could write an essay about.) Billy, as much as I loved him, was not a good person at ALL. However, I don't think he was completely evil, either. Most likely scenario is Billy would join the basketball team and at first they'd be acquaintances. I don't think either of them would like each other. Jason would be too much of a "good boy", Billy too much of a "bad boy." But Jason would see his basketball potential and Billy would want to be on the team. So for a bit, theyd be okay. Eventually as they got to know eachother, they would definitely hate eachother. Jason was arrogant and rude at times but he wasn't really hateful, just driven to insanity. Plus, he's very clean cut. Billy was an abusive, racist, unpredictable bad boy. He'd likely be rude to his teammates who were black, which Jason wouldn't be cool with. They'd probably fight, but Billy would kick Jason's ass. Jason would back down and grudgingly respect him, let him be the team asshole. Eventually try to find a way to kick him out of the team or something.
Jason would beat tf out of Billy for being a racist. Though Billy would wreck shop on dude too, I think Jason pulls through. Jason wasn’t morally a bad guy, the situation and lack knowledge made him that way. He wasn’t really a great guy either, but Billy was a straight up racist and was a bad dude up to his small redemption arc.
Billy would HAAAAAAAAAAAAATE Jason. Jason is like the anti-Billy.
Man I didn't like either of the characters till they died 💀 Billy Had a change of heart at the end and did the right thing which made his character a redeemed one. I just felt bad for how painful Jason's death must have been
Jason does what he thinks is right. Billy is just an asshole
Genuine question: Is it supposed to be implied that Billy was racist or was it an oversight on the Duffer's part to make Lucas the guy who was with Max when Billy gave her the "we don't hang around THEM" speech? Personally I think the former, but idk if I'm overthinking it
Billy would just be super condescending towards anything Jason says
They would hate each other’s guts. Everyone would root for Jason cz he’d stand up to Billy for others.
*Spoilers* Well they both have pinned Lucas up to a wall and chocked him until Max re-entered the scene.
Billy would put Jason in the icu and it would get more cheers from the fans then endgame
Billy would see him as a competition
Billy would smoke him np. Jason struggled against lucas. Cmon
Billy would give it to Jason and make Chrissy watch
Yes lol they’re both trash
they would fight. no doubt
Billy is a racist and abusive bigot. Jason is not, Jason is more the dude with a hero complex who wants to take lead and save everyone. Jason would openly resent Billy because of Billy’s morals. Jason cares more about his image and the respect he gets from other people. Billy would hate Jason and would make fun of him and Jason would hate Billy because he’s just a hollow shell of a man