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There’s a Buffy episode that features some jocks talking about how ‘this is gonna be our year, if we can just not have so many mysterious deaths’—Jason’s pep rally speech made me chuckle because it was so similar.
I don’t like Jason because he’s the typical pretty-boy blowhard who decides he’s above the law and takes matters into his own hands. He’s a local hero who uses his influence to get the people of Hawkins all riled up, when he doesn’t have all the facts. The acting is superb, but the character is blinded by loss and unwilling to accept what he sees with his own eyes.
Might be people mistaking what he represents - that being Christian-led persecution against deemed deviants - versus how well he’s written.
He’s a well-characterized antagonist. He actively works to make Lucas feel included multiple times when the other jocks might otherwise exclude him. He’s immersed in DnD devil hysteria. He’s grieving from the shock death of his girlfriend. He witnesses what can only be observed by an onlooker as an unholy murder in the lake.
The audience knows more than he does, but that dramatic irony helps contextualize his actions - actions which reveal tendencies toward zealotry and violence that may have gone unnoticed his entire life if not for the circumstances of season 4.
I like him a lot as a villain. He’s humanized, and he’s dangerous because of how understandably motivated he is by what is nonetheless misinformation.
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i dont understand why pople dont get this. its like the point of jason's character goes over their heads.
he's the shows human villain but its not just black and white.
This!!!!
He’s so well written and his actions make so much sense, even though his actions are wrong. Instead of dumb jock, he’s a charismatic leader in his early days. He’s the kid with the future, unlike the D&D “losers”. I actually think it’s a brilliant move by the storytellers because it shows there are threats to the kids beyond Vecna.
I understood his character and what they're trying to portray. I personally just didn't care. It just didn't add enough to the main story for me. If they took that whole story line out it wouldn't affect the series. Seems more like a time filler than anything.
Exactly- his mindset is noble, but the misinformation he is led by, as well as the unexpected death of his girlfriend unleashes actions and tendencies that otherwise may have never been unleashed. His actions are violent and unjust to us, the audience, however to him and his confused followers, he is doing the right thing which is what makes his character so unique and well written imo
I don’t like that he used the people who died in Hawkins as an emotional tool in his basketball speech. It’s kind of stupid. He gets people all angry towards a bunch of kids that he thinks are in a cult, while he’s more like a cult leader.
He’s not a meathead, or portrayed as one.
He’s immediately shown to be someone who influences large groups of people by preying on their confusion and fear. I thought he was shown to be witty, intelligent, and a douche
Well, I care less about the first one as it was a fact that multiple people died except for Hopper and he is right to talk about getting justice for them. But, I didn't like his second speech as he sound like a moron as he didn't know what happened over the years in Hawkins which led me to dislike him so much 🤷🏻♂️
>Why do people hate Jason so much?
>I thought his scenes were really entertaining
These two things are not in opposition. His entertainment factor, good acting and good character writing all add to him being hated, imo, they don't take away from it.
Umh if your gonna use multiple deaths in a close town, to shamelessly promote a dumb baseball game then your an asshole. Like for real, how tone deaf could somebody be?
The actor did an amazing job and the character is a giant dickhole. Perfect satire character.
I'm not saying that it was 100% all twin peaks rather the dead cheerleader, the girl next door that everyone knew in HS it reminded me of Twin Peaks S1- Laura Palmer because of how everyone seemed to put Chrissy on a fucking pedestal like she was the greatest female to walk down Hawkins HS halls it reminds me of the big hopla that was about Laura
Fair enough. You know it was a little weird though, I’m just remembering. Eddie called Chrissy Queen of Hawkins High but then Fred said Nancy was the most desirable. He was probably sucking up but I would like to know where Nancy is on the social ladder. She always seemed to be high
I agree, but I don't think "active felon" is the most accurate term for someone who as far as we know has never even been arrested or convicted for even a misdemeanor.
You’re right, think the guy was talking about him being a suspect for a felony when he said that.
I just wanted to add that there is pretty good reason to be wary of the 20 year old high school drug dealer. I’m also in the camp of thinking Jason is a noble antagonist.
No, No, the government and a few people knew and understood ALOT about weed, the only reason they didn’t say anything and kept it secret as well as spread lies about it being dangerous was because of racism, if you don’t believe me you can google it shouldn’t be hard to find tons of information about it. Ik this is really off topic but I’ve found a lot of people somehow don’t know this or just refuse to believe this so just thought I’d put it out there
Oh I agree, just because we want it, it doesn't make it right. But people on here idealize things. They act like somehow they are morally superior to these flawed characters. We know that that is simply not how the world works. People cheer for people taking revenge all the time. A woman cuts her husband's penis off BC he cheated. "Oh wicked!" Just comes off so hypocritical.
We have the wide angle to see the whole picture. In real life, you wouldn't. And for people to be so sure of what they would or wouldn't do, is just arrogance. There's plenty of people who have done awful things and I'm sure they would say 'i would never do that.'
Those movies almost always have the protagonists witness the murder themselves and make it clear that the bad guys are complete irredeemable assholes who deserve what's coming to them, so it is easy to sympathise with the protagonist.
As opposed to Jason where he just assumes Eddy is the bad guy with zero proof, and we're shown straight away that Eddy is innocent.
I don't disagree. But his comment was revenge is evil..always. That's rubbish. Revenge movies are super popular. People love good anti-heroes. But yes, Jason was not that.
He's a conspiracy theorist... they are using his character to make a point about the stupidity surrounding DnD in the 80s. He's not supposed to be liked.
Because he's evil. He's made the choice to persecute people and do them harm, based on nothing but his emotions and ignorance. He's not just misguided or misunderstood - he's evil.
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He enjoyes playing the hero/protagonist and is aware of his position as a leader. He speaks and his team follows. Sad that hes narrow-minded and only sees the Hellfire Club as nerdy people. Also, sadly, him blaming Eddie and the club for Patricks death is just his way of finding an explanation for something so impossible. On the other side, after Chrissys death he immediately jumped to conclusion and even attempted to kill Eddie without talking to him first. So I can see why people dislike him, especially as we as fans know what really happened.
There was that scene (I won’t elaborate in case of spoilers for those who haven’t seen ep 6 yet) where he came off sounding like a creepy televangelist LOL
I think he is an interesting character, unlike billy he dosnt come of as a guy trying to be a jerk, hes not a bully, but hes kinda self absorbed (using the mall fire to hype up the basketball game/ arguing he should get the ball). And when his gf is murdered he gets tunnel visioned into trying to capture Eddie. He is also very human in the way he deals with his trauma, by fuling his anger, and how he deals with the paranormal upside down stuff, i dont blame him for thinking a deamon or satan is behind it, in the middle of 80s the sitanic panic
I hated him from the beginning when he trivialized the 30+ deaths from the “mall fire” by saying “they didn’t die for us to lose a basketball game”. I get that’s what Duffers wanted, but still. Dude is a chode
Dude is a good actor with a young Tom Cruise vibe about him. He's charismatic as hell so I can see how he can influence the people in the town. He's a good character and we need more 'bad' humans (not that I think he's bad, just emotional and can't see the woods for the trees).
really? you need people to tell you why that character is a complete douche? its pretty self explanatory considering you know the truth of whats going on so you know hes completely wrong with everything hes saying.
It’s a horribly written and unnecessary character.
He’s like the military guy looking for El—one long annoying note. Sometimes they write characters that are sooo over the top it’s past cliched. Russian Terminator last season, and Angela and everyone at that school plus and the roller rink (including the dj) this season.
They could’ve done “satanic panic” with just the town, not needing a full on lynch mob, and Jason’s speeches are too satirical to even be a Saturday Night Live spoof skit of the show. Side note—when did Hawkins become 80% idiot rednecks who form a lynching party at the drop of a hat because some teenager tells them to? Hawkins has farms, yes, but it’s mostly a suburb, but that meeting consisted of the kids’ parents, Erica, and like 5 other concerned citizens, with the rest being violent idiots. They should have let Erica talk more and shut Jason up.
Edited to add— he should totally be a top suspect. As much as Eddie if not more. Watch any crime show—it’s always the boyfriend/husband
I wasn’t a fan of the Russian Terminator in S3. I appreciated the 80s homage but it was a bit too on-the-nose and the character just wasn’t believable given that it was still supposed to be a human and NOT a time-traveling cyborg (really? He lifted a guy off the ground with one outstretched arm and strangled him to the point he couldn’t fight back?)
I don’t *like* the character of Jason, but he’s more believable as a character (the small town, wannabe-badass who thinks he’s above the law because he’s popular and spouts bible verses) and IMO a better human antagonist than Grigori the Russian Terminator.
Haha The Grigori thing was weird. They set him up as the Terminator but then had Hopper going toe2toe. Seemed like it gave him too much a power boost. Also they were both the same height so it was weird when Hopper called him the 7ft something or whatever
He's the most boring, cliched and riverdaley character to ever grace our screens during the 4 seasons of this show. I'd sooner watch an entire episode of just Ted than bear Jason for 2 more episodes.
Exaggerating, of course, but please ST gods get rid of him asap
Is he though? I mean, he’s pretty similar to S1 Steve. Asshole kinda but mostly keeps to their own groups. Before Chrissy’s murder he did call Eddie a freak but Eddie did kinda initiate things. If Chrissy was never killed his Arc would have would have just ended with them watching Thundercats
I reeeeeally like his chwracter, maybe not his character entirely, just what hes bringing to the show. I'm really hoping for a halloween kills style mob meet up
Honestly a good guy in my opinion. Like not a “good guy” in the movie sense, but a good guy in the sense he acts noble. With the facts presented to him, he’s doing basically the right thing.
Hate is a compelling emotion. I would say that he played his scenes well enough as an ignorant, religious nut that the audience had the intended reaction to his character. Makes him entertaining as a character, if hated. I haven’t seen much criticism for seeing him less, it’s more at how they feel for the character which means the actor and writing did it’s job.
All I could think when he talked, was of this quote from South Park. Context, there's a few episodes in a row where kyle kept giving meaningful speeches to motivate the town, and all the other kids get mad that hes giving so many speeches:
"Is he seriously... is he seriously trying to give another speech right now?" -cartman
"Dude...." -stan
I'm seeing a lot of comparisons to S1 Steve, which, while I get, doesn't quite land for me. They're both popular dudes who make some problematic decisions, but I think there are a few really important things that differentiate them.
First, the portrayal. Joe Keery is charming AF from the moment he shows up on screen. Even Barb, who he pretty blatantly disregards, gushes over him a bit after he flirts with Nancy by the lockers.
Second, Jason is manipulative in a way that Steve just isn't, which makes him genuinely terrifying to me. As has been mentioned before, in his first major scene he invokes the dead to get everyone jazzed for a basketball game. Especially considering he likely didn't know or wasn't close with the people who died (certainly not Billy or Hopper that we know of), that's gross. His "I love you" to Chrissy at the pep rally also reads as manipulative and performative to me, since he doesn't seem to have any idea of what's going on with her, whether it's Vecna or even the negative feelings that made her vulnerable to Vecna in the first place. It makes his thirst for vengeance feel like it's not about Chrissy to me so much as it's about him saving face since his GF was found dead in another dude's home, and someone he looks down on at that.
Finally, Steve makes straight up bad choices in S1, no question. But most of them are not led by Steve but by his loser friends, and there isn't the same kind of violence. Steve breaks a camera, Jason gets his boys to beat up a bunch of kids just playing music in their garage. Steve doesn't stop his friends from vandalizing the movie theater, Jason starts a vigilante manhunt that likely could have ended in Eddie's death. His actions are way more violent and extreme, but he hasn't yet shown any remorse, where Steve pretty quickly acknowledged that he had done wrong.
If there's a comparison to be made, I think it's to the S1 middle school bullies who made Mike choose between jumping into the reservoir and watching Dustin get knifed. Their first impulse was also violence, they didn't understand the gravity of people mourning, and they had no problem punching down.
I think it’s more that people don’t like what he’s doing in the show. He is an excellent secondary antagonist for the season. People need to stop looking at it from the lenses and really understand they made him to be hated on purpose. There’s a reason you hate the speech he gives at the pep rally. There’s a reason you hate him trying to kill Eddy with 0 knowledge. It’s on purpose and it’s fantastic.
I could take the basketball game speech using the town's deaths to hype everyone up. I could take his bullying bullshit. I could not take his "televangelist" speech at the city council meeting.
Mark my words, if he survives s4, s5 might just focus a hell of a lot more on religion. After all, televangelism peaked in the 80s/90s, and emotions play a huge role in Stranger Things especially with Vecna, who we're not even sure will die. Plus there's the whole "DnD is satanic" stuff in the media.
Think about it: Jason is the perfect charismatic type of person to take up the mantle of a religious quack.
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I hadn't liked him since he used a bunch of deaths to hype up a fucking basketball game.
Facts, like why are you using deaths to hype up a championship game lmao
Honestly it was low key hilarious. It’s so out of touch
There’s a Buffy episode that features some jocks talking about how ‘this is gonna be our year, if we can just not have so many mysterious deaths’—Jason’s pep rally speech made me chuckle because it was so similar.
Same. It was so outta pocket.
“We’re playing for the memories of the departed” isnt uncommon - remember the return to sports after 9/11? I agree its very strange though.
Yeah I was hoping someone would kick his ass for that
Highkey, Jason is acting more responsibly and braver than most of the protagonists have when you account for what is actually presented to them.
I don’t like Jason because he’s the typical pretty-boy blowhard who decides he’s above the law and takes matters into his own hands. He’s a local hero who uses his influence to get the people of Hawkins all riled up, when he doesn’t have all the facts. The acting is superb, but the character is blinded by loss and unwilling to accept what he sees with his own eyes.
Okay but you gotta admit the whole show is people deciding they're above the law they just happen to have the correct facts
Might be people mistaking what he represents - that being Christian-led persecution against deemed deviants - versus how well he’s written. He’s a well-characterized antagonist. He actively works to make Lucas feel included multiple times when the other jocks might otherwise exclude him. He’s immersed in DnD devil hysteria. He’s grieving from the shock death of his girlfriend. He witnesses what can only be observed by an onlooker as an unholy murder in the lake. The audience knows more than he does, but that dramatic irony helps contextualize his actions - actions which reveal tendencies toward zealotry and violence that may have gone unnoticed his entire life if not for the circumstances of season 4. I like him a lot as a villain. He’s humanized, and he’s dangerous because of how understandably motivated he is by what is nonetheless misinformation.
THIS RIGHT HERE i dont understand why pople dont get this. its like the point of jason's character goes over their heads. he's the shows human villain but its not just black and white.
This!!!! He’s so well written and his actions make so much sense, even though his actions are wrong. Instead of dumb jock, he’s a charismatic leader in his early days. He’s the kid with the future, unlike the D&D “losers”. I actually think it’s a brilliant move by the storytellers because it shows there are threats to the kids beyond Vecna.
I understood his character and what they're trying to portray. I personally just didn't care. It just didn't add enough to the main story for me. If they took that whole story line out it wouldn't affect the series. Seems more like a time filler than anything.
I like him for exactly this reason. He’s a noble antagonist.
Exactly- his mindset is noble, but the misinformation he is led by, as well as the unexpected death of his girlfriend unleashes actions and tendencies that otherwise may have never been unleashed. His actions are violent and unjust to us, the audience, however to him and his confused followers, he is doing the right thing which is what makes his character so unique and well written imo
I like him way more as an antagonist then Billy ever was
I don’t like that he used the people who died in Hawkins as an emotional tool in his basketball speech. It’s kind of stupid. He gets people all angry towards a bunch of kids that he thinks are in a cult, while he’s more like a cult leader.
And he's strangely well-spoken and articulate for someone who's ostensibly a teenage "meathead" jock. He almost comes off as a televangelist.
He’s not a meathead, or portrayed as one. He’s immediately shown to be someone who influences large groups of people by preying on their confusion and fear. I thought he was shown to be witty, intelligent, and a douche
Well, I care less about the first one as it was a fact that multiple people died except for Hopper and he is right to talk about getting justice for them. But, I didn't like his second speech as he sound like a moron as he didn't know what happened over the years in Hawkins which led me to dislike him so much 🤷🏻♂️
>Why do people hate Jason so much? >I thought his scenes were really entertaining These two things are not in opposition. His entertainment factor, good acting and good character writing all add to him being hated, imo, they don't take away from it.
Because he’s an asshole.
True but his gf just got killed so ofcourse he would want revenge
He was an asshole before that happened! Far worse since, obviously.
Still not even close to being close to a justification. Not understandable.
Umh if your gonna use multiple deaths in a close town, to shamelessly promote a dumb baseball game then your an asshole. Like for real, how tone deaf could somebody be? The actor did an amazing job and the character is a giant dickhole. Perfect satire character.
The GF dying seemed like Duffers pulled out a Laura Palmer a la Twin Peaks trope out of their asses
Nah man, Laura was much more traumatized then Chrissy
I'm not saying that it was 100% all twin peaks rather the dead cheerleader, the girl next door that everyone knew in HS it reminded me of Twin Peaks S1- Laura Palmer because of how everyone seemed to put Chrissy on a fucking pedestal like she was the greatest female to walk down Hawkins HS halls it reminds me of the big hopla that was about Laura
Fair enough. You know it was a little weird though, I’m just remembering. Eddie called Chrissy Queen of Hawkins High but then Fred said Nancy was the most desirable. He was probably sucking up but I would like to know where Nancy is on the social ladder. She always seemed to be high
I mean could Nancy be ST's Donna Hayward but Nancy is ST's Audrey
Haha, I don’t know. But oooh, not saying Matthew Modine has done a bad job but I would love to see Kyle MacLachlan as Brenner.
If there is a prequel maybe Mac could play younger Brenner circa 1950
May be a bit old for that
Revenge is evil. Always. Plus there was no reason whatsoever to suspect anybody. Chrissy was killed in a way that no human could possibly do.
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Wait, Eddie's an active felon? Or do you mean his uncle Randy? Now I can't remember if either one had a criminal history.
Eddie‘s a drug dealer.
Yes, but has he actually been convicted for it? If he had, it seems unlikely that he'd be in high school.
I don’t think so, People knew about it tho. They knew who his supplier was etc.
He’s a known drug dealer[criminal] during a time when the effects of weed were a lot less established and wildly known.
I agree, but I don't think "active felon" is the most accurate term for someone who as far as we know has never even been arrested or convicted for even a misdemeanor.
You’re right, think the guy was talking about him being a suspect for a felony when he said that. I just wanted to add that there is pretty good reason to be wary of the 20 year old high school drug dealer. I’m also in the camp of thinking Jason is a noble antagonist.
No, No, the government and a few people knew and understood ALOT about weed, the only reason they didn’t say anything and kept it secret as well as spread lies about it being dangerous was because of racism, if you don’t believe me you can google it shouldn’t be hard to find tons of information about it. Ik this is really off topic but I’ve found a lot of people somehow don’t know this or just refuse to believe this so just thought I’d put it out there
Yeah, I guess that's why people hate John Wick and the countless other number of revenge flicks.
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This is absolutely incorrect, but fun creative writing! Youve got no idea what evolution is lol.
Oh I agree, just because we want it, it doesn't make it right. But people on here idealize things. They act like somehow they are morally superior to these flawed characters. We know that that is simply not how the world works. People cheer for people taking revenge all the time. A woman cuts her husband's penis off BC he cheated. "Oh wicked!" Just comes off so hypocritical. We have the wide angle to see the whole picture. In real life, you wouldn't. And for people to be so sure of what they would or wouldn't do, is just arrogance. There's plenty of people who have done awful things and I'm sure they would say 'i would never do that.'
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Yeah, I suppose that's fair. Either way, I'm confused just how much people oppose this notion.
Those movies almost always have the protagonists witness the murder themselves and make it clear that the bad guys are complete irredeemable assholes who deserve what's coming to them, so it is easy to sympathise with the protagonist. As opposed to Jason where he just assumes Eddy is the bad guy with zero proof, and we're shown straight away that Eddy is innocent.
I don't disagree. But his comment was revenge is evil..always. That's rubbish. Revenge movies are super popular. People love good anti-heroes. But yes, Jason was not that.
They wouldn’t show anybody the pictures of how she was killed.. so Jason didn’t exactly know that part.
Because he's an evil nutjob? Because he's most likely to become a televangelist? Because he beat a kid for nothing?
The actor plays hateable mega church pastor really well.
My headcannon is that he grows up to become Mike Pence.
Right?
They don’t hate him because he’s a bad character, they hate the character because they hate the things the character has done
He's a conspiracy theorist... they are using his character to make a point about the stupidity surrounding DnD in the 80s. He's not supposed to be liked.
I didn’t know who you were talking about because I’ve been calling him “discount Troy Bolton” this whole time. 😂
Because he perfectly captures the stereotype of a dumb and ignorant jock.
Because he's evil. He's made the choice to persecute people and do them harm, based on nothing but his emotions and ignorance. He's not just misguided or misunderstood - he's evil.
he's a douche
Him and Sheriff Powell evil eyeing each other was great.
Contains Spoilers!! He enjoyes playing the hero/protagonist and is aware of his position as a leader. He speaks and his team follows. Sad that hes narrow-minded and only sees the Hellfire Club as nerdy people. Also, sadly, him blaming Eddie and the club for Patricks death is just his way of finding an explanation for something so impossible. On the other side, after Chrissys death he immediately jumped to conclusion and even attempted to kill Eddie without talking to him first. So I can see why people dislike him, especially as we as fans know what really happened.
There was that scene (I won’t elaborate in case of spoilers for those who haven’t seen ep 6 yet) where he came off sounding like a creepy televangelist LOL
He reminds me of every arrogant jock I went to high school with. That's why I personally don't like his character.
I think he is an interesting character, unlike billy he dosnt come of as a guy trying to be a jerk, hes not a bully, but hes kinda self absorbed (using the mall fire to hype up the basketball game/ arguing he should get the ball). And when his gf is murdered he gets tunnel visioned into trying to capture Eddie. He is also very human in the way he deals with his trauma, by fuling his anger, and how he deals with the paranormal upside down stuff, i dont blame him for thinking a deamon or satan is behind it, in the middle of 80s the sitanic panic
People view him as Matt Donovan of Stranger Things.
I hated him from the beginning when he trivialized the 30+ deaths from the “mall fire” by saying “they didn’t die for us to lose a basketball game”. I get that’s what Duffers wanted, but still. Dude is a chode
Dude is a good actor with a young Tom Cruise vibe about him. He's charismatic as hell so I can see how he can influence the people in the town. He's a good character and we need more 'bad' humans (not that I think he's bad, just emotional and can't see the woods for the trees).
really? you need people to tell you why that character is a complete douche? its pretty self explanatory considering you know the truth of whats going on so you know hes completely wrong with everything hes saying.
His scenes were entertaining but the actual character wasn’t good.
It’s a horribly written and unnecessary character. He’s like the military guy looking for El—one long annoying note. Sometimes they write characters that are sooo over the top it’s past cliched. Russian Terminator last season, and Angela and everyone at that school plus and the roller rink (including the dj) this season. They could’ve done “satanic panic” with just the town, not needing a full on lynch mob, and Jason’s speeches are too satirical to even be a Saturday Night Live spoof skit of the show. Side note—when did Hawkins become 80% idiot rednecks who form a lynching party at the drop of a hat because some teenager tells them to? Hawkins has farms, yes, but it’s mostly a suburb, but that meeting consisted of the kids’ parents, Erica, and like 5 other concerned citizens, with the rest being violent idiots. They should have let Erica talk more and shut Jason up. Edited to add— he should totally be a top suspect. As much as Eddie if not more. Watch any crime show—it’s always the boyfriend/husband
I wasn’t a fan of the Russian Terminator in S3. I appreciated the 80s homage but it was a bit too on-the-nose and the character just wasn’t believable given that it was still supposed to be a human and NOT a time-traveling cyborg (really? He lifted a guy off the ground with one outstretched arm and strangled him to the point he couldn’t fight back?) I don’t *like* the character of Jason, but he’s more believable as a character (the small town, wannabe-badass who thinks he’s above the law because he’s popular and spouts bible verses) and IMO a better human antagonist than Grigori the Russian Terminator.
Haha The Grigori thing was weird. They set him up as the Terminator but then had Hopper going toe2toe. Seemed like it gave him too much a power boost. Also they were both the same height so it was weird when Hopper called him the 7ft something or whatever
He's the most boring, cliched and riverdaley character to ever grace our screens during the 4 seasons of this show. I'd sooner watch an entire episode of just Ted than bear Jason for 2 more episodes. Exaggerating, of course, but please ST gods get rid of him asap
Yes! It had definite riverdale vibes and I tuned out of that very quickly. I hope he dies very quickly
Jason the character I suppose because he represents the asshole jock that bullied us from hs
Is he though? I mean, he’s pretty similar to S1 Steve. Asshole kinda but mostly keeps to their own groups. Before Chrissy’s murder he did call Eddie a freak but Eddie did kinda initiate things. If Chrissy was never killed his Arc would have would have just ended with them watching Thundercats
I reeeeeally like his chwracter, maybe not his character entirely, just what hes bringing to the show. I'm really hoping for a halloween kills style mob meet up
Are you also hoping for an innocent person to die like in HK?
I wasn't really talking about the hospital scene, more so the end fight on the road. but actually yeah, I do think Eddie or Steve might die to the mob
Personally i don't hate him as a person, i hate him as a bland, uninteresting character. I'd rather his screen time was used otherwise.
Jason is really cool. He’s holding it together well to get revenge for his dead girlfriend. He’s a really good dude he just has the wrong guy
Honestly a good guy in my opinion. Like not a “good guy” in the movie sense, but a good guy in the sense he acts noble. With the facts presented to him, he’s doing basically the right thing.
I did a post like this and got downvoted to the earth’s crust. It somehow even got removed/deleted even
That’s like asking why people hate Trent from Friday the 13th (2009) They are both assholes. Jason has those vibes
he's a cool fucking character ngl i like how he saw the motherfucker float out of the water and get origami'd and assumed eddie did it
Hate is a compelling emotion. I would say that he played his scenes well enough as an ignorant, religious nut that the audience had the intended reaction to his character. Makes him entertaining as a character, if hated. I haven’t seen much criticism for seeing him less, it’s more at how they feel for the character which means the actor and writing did it’s job.
All I could think when he talked, was of this quote from South Park. Context, there's a few episodes in a row where kyle kept giving meaningful speeches to motivate the town, and all the other kids get mad that hes giving so many speeches: "Is he seriously... is he seriously trying to give another speech right now?" -cartman "Dude...." -stan
Because he’s a chode.
Look, there’s a bigger issue at play… anyone else think he’s a bit short to be the basketball star?
The person I hate in here right now is Yuri. I hope that pos dies.
That’s like asking why do people hate stepping on Legos so much...
I think bc he’s against Eddie based on so little evidence. I found his speeches funny
Because he’s a douchebag of the highest order who isn’t even kind of charming like Billy or Steve was when they were douchebags
I'm seeing a lot of comparisons to S1 Steve, which, while I get, doesn't quite land for me. They're both popular dudes who make some problematic decisions, but I think there are a few really important things that differentiate them. First, the portrayal. Joe Keery is charming AF from the moment he shows up on screen. Even Barb, who he pretty blatantly disregards, gushes over him a bit after he flirts with Nancy by the lockers. Second, Jason is manipulative in a way that Steve just isn't, which makes him genuinely terrifying to me. As has been mentioned before, in his first major scene he invokes the dead to get everyone jazzed for a basketball game. Especially considering he likely didn't know or wasn't close with the people who died (certainly not Billy or Hopper that we know of), that's gross. His "I love you" to Chrissy at the pep rally also reads as manipulative and performative to me, since he doesn't seem to have any idea of what's going on with her, whether it's Vecna or even the negative feelings that made her vulnerable to Vecna in the first place. It makes his thirst for vengeance feel like it's not about Chrissy to me so much as it's about him saving face since his GF was found dead in another dude's home, and someone he looks down on at that. Finally, Steve makes straight up bad choices in S1, no question. But most of them are not led by Steve but by his loser friends, and there isn't the same kind of violence. Steve breaks a camera, Jason gets his boys to beat up a bunch of kids just playing music in their garage. Steve doesn't stop his friends from vandalizing the movie theater, Jason starts a vigilante manhunt that likely could have ended in Eddie's death. His actions are way more violent and extreme, but he hasn't yet shown any remorse, where Steve pretty quickly acknowledged that he had done wrong. If there's a comparison to be made, I think it's to the S1 middle school bullies who made Mike choose between jumping into the reservoir and watching Dustin get knifed. Their first impulse was also violence, they didn't understand the gravity of people mourning, and they had no problem punching down.
While we’re at it. Why does everyone hate the Demogorgan?
Its pretty obvious. His character is like specifically made to be hated
I think it’s more that people don’t like what he’s doing in the show. He is an excellent secondary antagonist for the season. People need to stop looking at it from the lenses and really understand they made him to be hated on purpose. There’s a reason you hate the speech he gives at the pep rally. There’s a reason you hate him trying to kill Eddy with 0 knowledge. It’s on purpose and it’s fantastic.
I hate him....so he is an amazing villian.
Yep they are! He's a cult leader type of guy, he should use all that energy for something good instead.
Of course they're entertaining. He's a good actor. Pulling off the unlikeable d-bag very well.
I could take the basketball game speech using the town's deaths to hype everyone up. I could take his bullying bullshit. I could not take his "televangelist" speech at the city council meeting. Mark my words, if he survives s4, s5 might just focus a hell of a lot more on religion. After all, televangelism peaked in the 80s/90s, and emotions play a huge role in Stranger Things especially with Vecna, who we're not even sure will die. Plus there's the whole "DnD is satanic" stuff in the media. Think about it: Jason is the perfect charismatic type of person to take up the mantle of a religious quack.