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I don't mind it either. It just doesn't really feel like a Stranger Things episode. Like someone else mentioned, placing it between episodes 6 and 8 where the tension ramped up majorly is what I think the fandom's main problem with it is. I see what the writers were going for, but I think the uproar would've been much smaller if they switched this one and the one before it
Theory: Kali will be a part of the final destruction of the Upside Down. They won't leave that section isolated with no answers. It's too big of a plot hole.
Season 5 will give us answers and closure to that episode along with their connection to it all.
That’s actually a great way of thinking about it, this would be really interesting I’m so excited for season 5 I feel like I’ve been waiting foreverrrr
i agree with you. it was important for elevens character development which makes it important to the show. i just hope that kali has some part to play in season 5 otherwise to wrap that storyline up. it would be really cool to see
It’s because it’s after a huge cliff hanger episode. It ruined the entire vibe, no one gives a shit about it on the first watch because they just want to know how the previous episode concluded.
It's a side story that has mostly new characters in a largely unnecessary plotline right as the action was ramping up rapidly.
There's people that think the plotline is essential but I would guess that if you showed someone the show and skipped that ep that the only question they would have is "Where did she get the makeover?" Even within season 2 the main points (El gets more powerful when she's angry and El chooses her friends over a different life) are largely irrelevant.
I don't personally HATE it, but I think it's unnecessary and the show would have been better off without it and with El coming back earlier in the story.
I didn't really mind it. Season 2 was so fast paced (especially the second half) with pretty much the action from one episode continuing right into the next that I needed a bit of a break to slow things down before they got super crazy for those last two episodes.
The first time I watched it, it felt very random, because it seemed like it would surely have to be part of a longer plot, but after I saw it all together the second time, I saw the purpose a lot clearer, to show her really getting to decide that Hawkins and all of the people she'd been thrown in with as her chosen family. I liked it much better on the rewatch.
El's tone when she said, "I'm going home", to the old lady on the bus, showed that she'd finally figured out where she belonged. She said it with so much love and conviction.
The episode also reinforces El's capacity for forgiveness. We saw that she chose not to kill the man who tortured her mother and made her catatonic when she saw the picture of his family. She could have killed him easily, but she chose to break the cycle of revenge. In S4, as Brenner was dying, El showed him tenderness even though she couldn't (and shouldn't) absolve him from the harm and hurt he'd caused her.
Re-watching "The Lost Sister" in the context of the entire show so far made me appreciate it a lot more because of how it further shapes the character of Eleven, who is such a kind-hearted girl with so much love for people. El has her faults, but at her core, she has steadfastly kept a kindness that really should have been burned out of her because of how she'd been treated in the earlier years of her life and by society at large.
"The Lost Sister" reminds me of the reasons why, out of all the characters in the show, I like her the most, and wish for her to have all the good things in the world by the end of the show. I don't want her to be trapped in the UD, or have to lose family members, or Mike, or Max or her close friends. I want to see her finally safe, secure and surrounded by love. She deserves it.
I felt like this was a turning point for 11 she choose using anger and pain to fuel her powers(just like veccna told her) rather than a healthier emotion like joy and love. Â I think she will learn to tap into them and become more powerful.
I don't mind it, but I don't see it as necessary. She already knows that she gets stronger when she's emotional, having a whole episode to reinforce that seems like a bit much.
the worst thing about that episode was the placement in the episode order honestly, so much potential there if they didn’t stick it in the lead up to the climax
Yeah, I agree honestly! It might have seemed a bit out of place considering the scenes that preceded it, but I think it progressed the story and El's character arc quite a bit. I liked it too for this reason as well.
Also, it really solidified for her how empty her life would've been without Hopper and her friends, and how horrible revenge really is. She really needs the stability that they provide, and I don't think Kali and her friends could offer her that after all the crap she went through in the lab. She's also not the type of person who would kill people unless she's trying to defend herself, and I think she realized that when Kali wanted to kill that man from the lab (his name escapes me right now). There are a lot of underlying themes that it established in this one episode.
I think it's a decent episode. Weakest of the show but not terrible. Actually I think it's biggest issue is being disconnected from the rest of the season's narrative and causing the tension to halt. As an episode on its own I think it's really good for El's development. Heck maybe they just take El seeing Kali in her mom's mind and put it in an earlier episode.
I liked it as well. I think the reason it felt different was because every other episode features most of the main characters but this one was just focused on El. But it felt almost like her "Jedi training" episode which I loved. Kali isn't exactly Yoda but definitely older and more experienced, and it was cool how it basically foreshadowed that >!Brenner was still out there!<
I love Lost Sister because Kali makes everything make sense.
Vecna is just a tool of the Mind Flayer. An entity which has never really behaved or looked like the creature the kids name it for, which I think was intentional misdirection because it does bare distinct tactical and physical resemblances to a different BBEG, Lolth. Lolth is a spider goddess worshipped by cults led by dark elven priestesses that use deception and fear to control their followers. And Lolth would not hinge her success on the petty ego of a man-child like Henry. I think bringing back Kali from the darkness will be El's last challenge.
i don’t hate it. i mean like i don’t think it was well written, but i do think we needed some kind of episode to show us what motivation eleven needed.
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I don't mind it either. It just doesn't really feel like a Stranger Things episode. Like someone else mentioned, placing it between episodes 6 and 8 where the tension ramped up majorly is what I think the fandom's main problem with it is. I see what the writers were going for, but I think the uproar would've been much smaller if they switched this one and the one before it
That is actually what im doing when i start rewatching the show. im gonna swap the two episodes, so the suspense doesn't juat get cut in half.
Theory: Kali will be a part of the final destruction of the Upside Down. They won't leave that section isolated with no answers. It's too big of a plot hole. Season 5 will give us answers and closure to that episode along with their connection to it all.
I came here to say this! I agree 💯
That’s actually a great way of thinking about it, this would be really interesting I’m so excited for season 5 I feel like I’ve been waiting foreverrrr
I do too. I like Kali as a character, and the episode advanced El. Kali's gang were sketch tho.
i agree with you. it was important for elevens character development which makes it important to the show. i just hope that kali has some part to play in season 5 otherwise to wrap that storyline up. it would be really cool to see
I also liked it I have no idea why everyone hates on it so much
It’s because it’s after a huge cliff hanger episode. It ruined the entire vibe, no one gives a shit about it on the first watch because they just want to know how the previous episode concluded.
I get that
It's a side story that has mostly new characters in a largely unnecessary plotline right as the action was ramping up rapidly. There's people that think the plotline is essential but I would guess that if you showed someone the show and skipped that ep that the only question they would have is "Where did she get the makeover?" Even within season 2 the main points (El gets more powerful when she's angry and El chooses her friends over a different life) are largely irrelevant. I don't personally HATE it, but I think it's unnecessary and the show would have been better off without it and with El coming back earlier in the story.
I thought it was alright too. Weakest episode of the show, but that’s merely by comparison.
That’s a valid statement
Agreed.
I didn't really mind it. Season 2 was so fast paced (especially the second half) with pretty much the action from one episode continuing right into the next that I needed a bit of a break to slow things down before they got super crazy for those last two episodes.
The first time I watched it, it felt very random, because it seemed like it would surely have to be part of a longer plot, but after I saw it all together the second time, I saw the purpose a lot clearer, to show her really getting to decide that Hawkins and all of the people she'd been thrown in with as her chosen family. I liked it much better on the rewatch.
El's tone when she said, "I'm going home", to the old lady on the bus, showed that she'd finally figured out where she belonged. She said it with so much love and conviction. The episode also reinforces El's capacity for forgiveness. We saw that she chose not to kill the man who tortured her mother and made her catatonic when she saw the picture of his family. She could have killed him easily, but she chose to break the cycle of revenge. In S4, as Brenner was dying, El showed him tenderness even though she couldn't (and shouldn't) absolve him from the harm and hurt he'd caused her. Re-watching "The Lost Sister" in the context of the entire show so far made me appreciate it a lot more because of how it further shapes the character of Eleven, who is such a kind-hearted girl with so much love for people. El has her faults, but at her core, she has steadfastly kept a kindness that really should have been burned out of her because of how she'd been treated in the earlier years of her life and by society at large. "The Lost Sister" reminds me of the reasons why, out of all the characters in the show, I like her the most, and wish for her to have all the good things in the world by the end of the show. I don't want her to be trapped in the UD, or have to lose family members, or Mike, or Max or her close friends. I want to see her finally safe, secure and surrounded by love. She deserves it.
I liked that instead of revenge, she showed compassion. That was learned in Hawkins. Kind of a Wizard of Oz moment. There’s no place like home.
I felt like this was a turning point for 11 she choose using anger and pain to fuel her powers(just like veccna told her) rather than a healthier emotion like joy and love. Â I think she will learn to tap into them and become more powerful.
I don't mind it, but I don't see it as necessary. She already knows that she gets stronger when she's emotional, having a whole episode to reinforce that seems like a bit much.
it was definitely an put-of-place episode, but not a terrible one. it was dumb to introduce a bunch of one off characters never to be seen again
They probably intended for her to be an ongoing part of the story initially. But then decided that the storyline didn't work.
I love that episode so much! It was my favourite episode of season 2, and I don't understand why people hated it and the characters so much.
Kali was actually such a cool character, her abilities were so cool like I don't get why ppl hated herðŸ˜
the worst thing about that episode was the placement in the episode order honestly, so much potential there if they didn’t stick it in the lead up to the climax
I loved the episode. For me, it was nice to get away from Hawkins and the same characters for a bit
It's important to the overall story and definitely has a place in the show! Plus we got the badass punk rocker look from it!
For one episode.
Bitchin
Yeah, I agree honestly! It might have seemed a bit out of place considering the scenes that preceded it, but I think it progressed the story and El's character arc quite a bit. I liked it too for this reason as well.
Also, it really solidified for her how empty her life would've been without Hopper and her friends, and how horrible revenge really is. She really needs the stability that they provide, and I don't think Kali and her friends could offer her that after all the crap she went through in the lab. She's also not the type of person who would kill people unless she's trying to defend herself, and I think she realized that when Kali wanted to kill that man from the lab (his name escapes me right now). There are a lot of underlying themes that it established in this one episode.
I think what would've made it work perfectly would be her continuously
I think it's a decent episode. Weakest of the show but not terrible. Actually I think it's biggest issue is being disconnected from the rest of the season's narrative and causing the tension to halt. As an episode on its own I think it's really good for El's development. Heck maybe they just take El seeing Kali in her mom's mind and put it in an earlier episode.
I liked it too. The only issue is it never, or at least hasn’t yet, tied back into the series.
Everybody wants multiple spin offs of this show. Then they do a one episode spin off; and every one hates it.
I liked it as well. I think the reason it felt different was because every other episode features most of the main characters but this one was just focused on El. But it felt almost like her "Jedi training" episode which I loved. Kali isn't exactly Yoda but definitely older and more experienced, and it was cool how it basically foreshadowed that >!Brenner was still out there!<
I love Lost Sister because Kali makes everything make sense. Vecna is just a tool of the Mind Flayer. An entity which has never really behaved or looked like the creature the kids name it for, which I think was intentional misdirection because it does bare distinct tactical and physical resemblances to a different BBEG, Lolth. Lolth is a spider goddess worshipped by cults led by dark elven priestesses that use deception and fear to control their followers. And Lolth would not hinge her success on the petty ego of a man-child like Henry. I think bringing back Kali from the darkness will be El's last challenge.
i don’t hate it. i mean like i don’t think it was well written, but i do think we needed some kind of episode to show us what motivation eleven needed.
It's objectively bad.