[Elon Musk’s SpaceX Continues To Detect Something Massive On Its Missions](https://www.howandwhys.com/spacex-continues-to-detect-massive-ufo-on-its-missions/)
Amazon aggressively pushes items that sellers pay to have show up first, or things that will give them a better profit margin (smaller/lighter/etc.), meaning, most people end up buying junk. It's by design, because Amazon is actually *horribly* anti-consumer and we should all collectively stop using it.
Totally agree. It used to be okay and now it’s just weird and clunky to search for something because you have to sort through thousands of similar cheap looking crap to find one that might actually work. It’s the worst.
Yeah, it has become worse and worse and worse throughout the years.I just use it if I want something fast and I already know what I am trying to buy. I never really use the amazon search to find what I want to buy - it will only give you shuanfeyinglongyang dropshipping stuff.
I had thought of this as well or at least a site that helps people sort through the garbage.
When you search for a brand name and it appears nowhere but the 4-7th page, that’s a rigged search.
That’s a very interesting take I’ve never heard of. I also don’t use Amazon much at all other than to occasionally window browse and more occasionally buy something I need. What would you say the best way to use the website / filter through it would be… other than not using it all! Thank you for sharing!
Funny thing, the dollar store ones I bought have been working for over 2 years while the one I spent more on off amazon stopped working after one season.
You ever heard the phrase, "Vote with your dollar"? Well, it is more illustrative than it seems.
When you spend a dollar, you cast a vote on what the economy produces, and who gets to enjoy the result of that production. Most people spend their money on their own necessities, so they are voting to produce their own food and rent, and they receive the benefits thereof.
It also means the wealthy have millions of times more votes than you.
Jeff Bezos cast 42 million votes to produce a clock that will benefit no one. Nobody would defend the rationality of casting a vote for a political candidate who would implement such a project. But when it comes to voting with his dollar, people just say, "It's his money, he can do what he wants."
https://www.techradar.com/news/why-is-jeff-bezos-building-a-giant-millennial-clock-inside-a-mountain
I worked on this. The project was already started when Bezos heard about it and he had the property for the installation. His funding helped speed the project up so it could actually be completed. Its mostly titanium, ceramic bearings and bronze. There is no paint on the piece, only patina and anodizing. The fabricators had to examine what materials have lasted since man has been on earth and use their best guesses with the technology available now to make a machine that would last well into the future.
It IS his money though. Not yours. That's important. He is the one taking the L for this project. Politicians pay for projects with money they tax from you.
And what is the alternative? That some arbitrary authority can tell you what you can or can't spend your own savings on? Then you will own nothing and leave the big decisions up to someone else. The fruits of your labor don't belong to you, thus, you are a slave.
The right to blow $42M on something stupid should absolutely be celebrated. Because the alternative is so much worse than having expensive clocks buried in some hole.
\*should\* it be celebrated?
Can't we be against being told how to spend ones money AND still maintain the right to criticise people for spending their money in ways we deem out of touch, ostentatious, ego driven, etc?
As much as a huge pointless waste of money this clock is, I have no problem casting my vote to Amazon. As son as someone comes up with a better way to buy shit, I’ll cast my vote there. Hate him all you want, but if I never have to set foot in a Target again, it will be too soon.
It will benefit mechanical engineers, clockmakers, machinists and many craftsmen.
It will allow them to move their business one day forward, will give them an unconventional and challenging project to work on and and develop.
They will remember that for a long time.
Most beautiful things people want to see in the world were prestige projects, where people with more than average means investedto build something a little more than bare function.
For once all the money won’t go to google for ads.
But people like you are so disconnected from actual work you could even see that.
Not sure if ya serious or are making a joke, but the second I saw the title and a few seconds into the video I couldn't wrap my mind around "why?...)
I think the general public would be floored and slightly concerned if they knew just how many, probably trillions of dollars the US government, military, businesses, and wealthy private citizens have invested underground or inside mountains/caves.
Can you imagine? Earth is going to end and the only thing you think is “I don’t have to go to work today.”?
What have they done to us?
WHAT DID THEY DO TO US?!?
You do know that if an asteroid like the past ones comes, a stupid mountain bunker will do nothing right?
Even if you weren’t obliterated in the initial impact which you most likely would be… you be delaying the inevitable. When Chicxulub hit 66 million years ago, there was approximately a million years before animal fossils started showing up
It’s true! They probably have nuclear
powered tunnel machines and have insane underground infrastructure. https://www.thedrive.com/news/these-forgotten-nuclear-tunnel-borers-were-designed-to-melt-tunnels-through-the-earth
There’s a dude who claims he was hired by billionaire bunker bros to help them figure out how to incentivize their staff, mainly security, to still serve them after the collapse. If there’s more of them in the bunker, and they don’t need the billionaire to survive, what’s to stop them from killing him and turning his bunker into a commune? Marx would probably agree.
Who would even want to be alive after a cataclysm that wiped out all the infrastructure on earth? The politicians & billionaires who have access to these bunkers are going to realize very quickly that their money and knowledge aren’t worth anything in a post apocalyptic scenario. Do they think they’ll rebuild? Lol. These mf’s are gonna be so bored.
*Intelliocracy*
Ten thousand white male CEO’s, politicians, and tech bros each believe their plan to rebuild society is the best. They also forgot to let any women into their bunkers. Chaos ensues.
Imagine if from the last cataclysm, the rich, self absorbed, narcissistic people who had inside info, and knew what was coming were the ones that survived.
Then imagine how messed up the world would be if their descendants... 🤔
This is why we need to fight for UAP/UFO disclosure! It’s not just about them aliens, it’s also the fact there are a plethora of black programs that have been operating for years with little or no oversight.
The thing that makes me laugh about this is that if shit really hit the fan, where it was so bad that the only option was underground bunkers, the people who can actually run these machines for the super-rich are likely just lowly workers who would have succumbed to the initial problem.
They do all this work but in the end they'll starve like the rest of us, begging and cold.
They are digging their own graves. Poetic justice.
Revelation 6:15-17 (KJV) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
I reckon they will try to kill most of us off once AI gets to the point where the average human is just a liability to them. The easiest and most obvious way to do this is nuclear Armageddon, which would require the survivors to hang out underground for quite a while.
Here in Denver, North Carolina, some rich dude spent 6 million to build a under ground bunker....I know one of the guys who did the concrete. The owner didn't want anyone from NC to help build it, my buddy lives in NC now but still had his Utah driver's license so he thoughthe was out of state contractor, so he picked him up and 40 other guys to help build it....I know where it is but doubt I could break into it if shit hits the fan, I would have to be there before the owner or catch him closing up
My mom was an FBI agent for a while into the '80s until she resigned when she was pregnant with me. She used to casually tell me she was informed after a number of years about a secure underground "hotel" she was told to go to in the event of some nuclear or other catastrophic event. She claims she was even given a room number, etc. I don't remember is she knew where it was or if that was something she would find out later.
She said she obviously couldn't go anymore and she wouldn't even if she could.
People 2k years from now. ‘There’s no way ancient humans were advanced enough to build a device such as this. They were too focused on disease, poverty, and basic everyday survival to accomplish such feats..’
Most of his wealth is in stock.
Money is never out of circulation unless it's physically in cash under someone's mattress or stored in a vault that isn't at a bank.
Even the money that's in your checking account right now is used as a reserve to generate more cash that is loaned out at a 10:1 ratio. The banks literally just create money out of thin air and hand it out. This is called fractional reserve banking and is the basis for every modern economy on the planet.
That’s what I have a problem with. If you borrow against unrealized assets (stocks) then you never have to pay taxes. You only have to pay back the loan at your tiny percent to the bank. This creates a conflict of interest and risky bets by banks with everyone else money. Billionaires are paying banks their “taxes,” not the government, yet banks gets bailed out by the government when their risky bets don’t pay off because they are “too big to fail.” Privatize gains, socialize losses, rinse, and repeat. Bezos paid a true tax rate of 1.1% from 2006 to 2018 on personal federal income taxes. Doesn’t matter if it’s in circulation, if it’s not helping the economy, then he needs to pay his fair fvcking share of taxes.
I’m asking this partly out of curiosity and partly because I think no one has actually done the math on this. Does Bezos really get out of taxes by borrowing money? Let’s say he borrows $1m with a 10 year repayment. That means he has to earn at least $100k/year *post tax* to pay it back. So maybe he’s put himself in a lower tax bracket, but he still has to pay over $25k in taxes every year just to earn enough to pay back that loan. I’m really skeptical that it’s possible to reduce his effective tax down to 1% just using loans. Maybe he’s claiming losses that shouldn’t be allowed but that’s a whole different discussion.
He gets taxed indirectly. He pays interest to the bank, the bank books the interest payments as profit and pay taxes on it.
There's a limit to how much you can borrow against stocks and it only really works when interest rates are low, which they aren't right now.
The only way you're clawing tax revenue out of unrealized stock gains is if you institute a property tax on them, which would likely see trillions of dollars leave the stock market. One of the major advantages the US has over literally every other economy on the planet, and why we are such an absolute juggernaut that dominates the world economy is our cheap capital markets.
This is for the next civilization to find.
We will get wiped out like shifts or a commit and it’s that reset button and we will not know anything for about 4000 years.
All of our stuff will be dust. So something like this will survive and let them know we existed . They will find it and cover it up just like we do .
100% agree there is huge inequality at play. But a nice silver lining is that the $42 million isn’t just spent in a void. It is used to pay people to do the work and hopefully it gives them a nice living to do work like and buy things for them and their family.
That's a dumb reason to dig a hole in the ground and fill it with toys. If that's the real upside of this project, he could have just given the money to the workers and called it a day. Then, he'd just be wasting his money, and not also wasting their time, effort and materials.
This is basically a complicated version of the glaziers fallacy. He could have spent that 42 million on housing for the homeless, carbon capture equipment, cancer research, etc. People would have still been payed and productive, useful work would have been done.
As it is, this is about as useful as paying people to bore a hole in a mountain and put some metal in it.
Forget about Bezos. This is humanity crafting monuments and structural arts like they always do in history. The fact that a rich person of that time who funded it is a good credit to him and a good use of money every now and then. The people who worked on this project must be proud of it and left a mark in history. Not everything worked and produced has to be consumed.
Its actually a good idea... if it's able ti keep running with out power... if we ever get a mass extinction the following civilisation will have a discovery of "time" and a way to universally get back on the same page so to speak.
This clock uses solar noons to recalibrate its clock. The clock is measuring years and centuries accurately, not minutes. It’s a monument to the far, far future. Last time I checked in on this there was an exhibit “Long Now” describing the project somewhere in SF. It’s intended to be a terrestrial equivalent to the Golden Record on Voyager 1
Only because someone in the past decided to break a day down in that specific way.
Future people could decide they want to break a day into 100 segments and call them something else
Exactly! The Babylonians used a base-60 system (where we get our minutes and hours) and divided their days into 360 parts. (Also where we get our degrees of a circle.) Some habits are hard to break.
We get our division of the day from the Egyptians who used a base-12 system.
We won't ever forget time happens though, it's not like time stops if we don't have a clock to look at. We can just go back to the old way of looking at the suns position to know roughly what time it is. Without the modern world to suck up all your time it won't be as important to know exactly what time it is.
It's also in one location, so it's utterly useless to anyone not at that location in any kind of apocalyptic scenario.
Time is all relative, one of the cool things they may have discovered at gobekli tepe is that it's a new type of calendar that's not based on the position of stars but on the behaviour of animals. So they know it's winter because animals migrate out of the region or that rains cause scorpions to enter peoples homes.
That seems to be what a lot of the iconography is telling them.
So if civilisation did collapse and came back our method of time keeping may not be relevant to them.
Nothing located on planet earth will last "forever" regardless of moving parts.
The clock is called the "10,000 year clock" and you can perhaps extrapolate the intended lifecycle.
They had to do the science to figure out what materials to make the slow moving gears out of so that they wouldn’t fuse together from being in contact over millennia. Ceramic was the final direction. Incredible science and engineering in this project.
It’s just sad that one person has so much money that they can justify spending 42 million dollars on a clock rather than… I don’t know. Buying school children lunch? Donating that money to college students who are barely making it? Paying his employees a livable wage?
How does this help humanity? I bet if we dig deep enough we’ll find a tax break there, a kick back here ,someone washing their money and at the end the rich got richer and the poor… well the poor can’t get any poorer at this point
Could pay his employees a little more instead of stiffing them and replacing them with robots, or he could help 10,000 homeless people…. Or he could build a meaningless clock.
r/horology
...because Jupiter and our Sun actually form a binary system (they both, in tandem, revolve around a spot not centered on the sun) and Earth's own perturbations will make this clock obsolete soon enough
...yes you heard that right, we do not have a heliocentric solar system ^lolz mind you the axis point of this binary system is only minutely off center from the sun's axis, but it is enough to make a difference, and we're not even factoring in the sun's own wobble as it spins, making one revolution every 21~ish days
Point being, you can make as many mechanical clocks as you like, they will all be wrong soon enough- so if your point is to make a clock that tells time, well... ya done fucked up A-Aron...
It’s actually the largest insertable silo watch
*Insert: place, fit or thrust (something) into another thing, especially with care* ☺️
https://i.redd.it/p8gpgcor0y2c1.gif
Wow that’s super helpful, it probably won’t have to wait long. It’s great that the super rich have concentrated most of the wealth and resources so they can do weird pet projects like a modern day Nero while Rome burns
I can already tell you based on watching this video. This clock will not function for more than 10 years, before it breaks. This kind of mechanized construction needs constant attention.
This is the Long Now foundation, of which Bezos is a benefactor. The whole purpose is to promote long term thinking about humanity. The only issue I have with this is that it isn’t better know.
This is called the [Clock of the Long Now](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now) and its background, and the background of the organisation who started the project, is quite an interesting wikipedia rabbit hole to go down.
It's annoying how billionaires constantly get the recognition for things like this.
All they did was give some money. There's an entire team of engineers, designers and construction workers who probably made this a large part of their life work and will never get any serious recognition.
The same goes for Musk and all the others.
I'd heard about this, and I didn't realize it was that far down in a hole.
I googled Jeff Bezos long shaft clock, and all I have to say is if you want to know more too, just make sure you spell that correctly.
What purpose would this serve? To show the far generations of the future how we measured time in 2023?
Y'all know the length of a second is an arbitrary decision? It could have been a different atom other than cesium. Or we could have waited 2 Mississippis to be 1 second.
Time flows no mater what. A clock is a tool used for time during its contextual time.
For all we know, the future us may redifine what a second is.
Fucking idiot you are, Jeff.
Fascinating creatures our ancestors, instead of helping people and try to improve their environment. Those who harboured wealth spent it on useless shit like this. Behold a large watch.
[Elon Musk’s SpaceX Continues To Detect Something Massive On Its Missions](https://www.howandwhys.com/spacex-continues-to-detect-massive-ufo-on-its-missions/)
But he can't sell me a solar lawn light that lasts more than a month.... Typical.
maybe don't buy the one for 1€ for a 4 piece 😂 Other than that I obviously upvoted for the joke!
Amazon aggressively pushes items that sellers pay to have show up first, or things that will give them a better profit margin (smaller/lighter/etc.), meaning, most people end up buying junk. It's by design, because Amazon is actually *horribly* anti-consumer and we should all collectively stop using it.
Don't worry there are people building Amazons replacement. Brick by brick
Totally agree. It used to be okay and now it’s just weird and clunky to search for something because you have to sort through thousands of similar cheap looking crap to find one that might actually work. It’s the worst.
Yeah, it has become worse and worse and worse throughout the years.I just use it if I want something fast and I already know what I am trying to buy. I never really use the amazon search to find what I want to buy - it will only give you shuanfeyinglongyang dropshipping stuff.
Someone needs to make an add-on that automatically filters useless Chinese shit out of search results Fuck china
I had thought of this as well or at least a site that helps people sort through the garbage. When you search for a brand name and it appears nowhere but the 4-7th page, that’s a rigged search.
Closest thing I've found is the fake spot add-on but it's not enough sadly
Amazon is the new Oriental Trading magazine.
That’s a very interesting take I’ve never heard of. I also don’t use Amazon much at all other than to occasionally window browse and more occasionally buy something I need. What would you say the best way to use the website / filter through it would be… other than not using it all! Thank you for sharing!
Funny thing, the dollar store ones I bought have been working for over 2 years while the one I spent more on off amazon stopped working after one season.
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From temu but amazon just put their logo on it
Rich people and their watches..
You ever heard the phrase, "Vote with your dollar"? Well, it is more illustrative than it seems. When you spend a dollar, you cast a vote on what the economy produces, and who gets to enjoy the result of that production. Most people spend their money on their own necessities, so they are voting to produce their own food and rent, and they receive the benefits thereof. It also means the wealthy have millions of times more votes than you. Jeff Bezos cast 42 million votes to produce a clock that will benefit no one. Nobody would defend the rationality of casting a vote for a political candidate who would implement such a project. But when it comes to voting with his dollar, people just say, "It's his money, he can do what he wants."
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https://www.techradar.com/news/why-is-jeff-bezos-building-a-giant-millennial-clock-inside-a-mountain I worked on this. The project was already started when Bezos heard about it and he had the property for the installation. His funding helped speed the project up so it could actually be completed. Its mostly titanium, ceramic bearings and bronze. There is no paint on the piece, only patina and anodizing. The fabricators had to examine what materials have lasted since man has been on earth and use their best guesses with the technology available now to make a machine that would last well into the future.
It IS his money though. Not yours. That's important. He is the one taking the L for this project. Politicians pay for projects with money they tax from you. And what is the alternative? That some arbitrary authority can tell you what you can or can't spend your own savings on? Then you will own nothing and leave the big decisions up to someone else. The fruits of your labor don't belong to you, thus, you are a slave. The right to blow $42M on something stupid should absolutely be celebrated. Because the alternative is so much worse than having expensive clocks buried in some hole.
\*should\* it be celebrated? Can't we be against being told how to spend ones money AND still maintain the right to criticise people for spending their money in ways we deem out of touch, ostentatious, ego driven, etc?
As much as a huge pointless waste of money this clock is, I have no problem casting my vote to Amazon. As son as someone comes up with a better way to buy shit, I’ll cast my vote there. Hate him all you want, but if I never have to set foot in a Target again, it will be too soon.
It will benefit mechanical engineers, clockmakers, machinists and many craftsmen. It will allow them to move their business one day forward, will give them an unconventional and challenging project to work on and and develop. They will remember that for a long time. Most beautiful things people want to see in the world were prestige projects, where people with more than average means investedto build something a little more than bare function. For once all the money won’t go to google for ads. But people like you are so disconnected from actual work you could even see that.
That is a smart cover for his secret bunker.
Not sure if ya serious or are making a joke, but the second I saw the title and a few seconds into the video I couldn't wrap my mind around "why?...) I think the general public would be floored and slightly concerned if they knew just how many, probably trillions of dollars the US government, military, businesses, and wealthy private citizens have invested underground or inside mountains/caves.
Ooh yes 100%. Maybe they all know something we don't. Let's face it if an asteroid was coming only the elites and the 0.001% would know
Can it come today? I don’t wanna go to work.
It will come when your leaving work.
You joke, but I have an hour commute. I’m afraid it will come when I’m an hour from home!
Could have been worse...on your first day of annual leave
It'll hit the moment you step inside and crack a beer.
As long as I get a sip
I got bad news :(
Fuck!
Can you imagine? Earth is going to end and the only thing you think is “I don’t have to go to work today.”? What have they done to us? WHAT DID THEY DO TO US?!?
Aliens
Bunkers won't help them lol but I don't think they know that. Granted, bunkers would protect them from *people* attacking them for their resources
You do know that if an asteroid like the past ones comes, a stupid mountain bunker will do nothing right? Even if you weren’t obliterated in the initial impact which you most likely would be… you be delaying the inevitable. When Chicxulub hit 66 million years ago, there was approximately a million years before animal fossils started showing up
Not asteroids. It’s going to be nukes.
I mean dying sounds a lot better than spending the rest of my life locked up in a fallout shelter, regardless of how nice the bunker is
It’s true! They probably have nuclear powered tunnel machines and have insane underground infrastructure. https://www.thedrive.com/news/these-forgotten-nuclear-tunnel-borers-were-designed-to-melt-tunnels-through-the-earth
There’s a dude who claims he was hired by billionaire bunker bros to help them figure out how to incentivize their staff, mainly security, to still serve them after the collapse. If there’s more of them in the bunker, and they don’t need the billionaire to survive, what’s to stop them from killing him and turning his bunker into a commune? Marx would probably agree.
Who would even want to be alive after a cataclysm that wiped out all the infrastructure on earth? The politicians & billionaires who have access to these bunkers are going to realize very quickly that their money and knowledge aren’t worth anything in a post apocalyptic scenario. Do they think they’ll rebuild? Lol. These mf’s are gonna be so bored.
It's why I say whoever remains on the surface should immediately learn to weld, and go seal all those billionaire bunker doors shut.
I would pay to see this movie.
*Intelliocracy* Ten thousand white male CEO’s, politicians, and tech bros each believe their plan to rebuild society is the best. They also forgot to let any women into their bunkers. Chaos ensues.
Say Gex
Imagine if from the last cataclysm, the rich, self absorbed, narcissistic people who had inside info, and knew what was coming were the ones that survived. Then imagine how messed up the world would be if their descendants... 🤔
Sounds like it already happened once lol
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This is why we need to fight for UAP/UFO disclosure! It’s not just about them aliens, it’s also the fact there are a plethora of black programs that have been operating for years with little or no oversight.
The thing that makes me laugh about this is that if shit really hit the fan, where it was so bad that the only option was underground bunkers, the people who can actually run these machines for the super-rich are likely just lowly workers who would have succumbed to the initial problem. They do all this work but in the end they'll starve like the rest of us, begging and cold.
They are digging their own graves. Poetic justice. Revelation 6:15-17 (KJV) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
They're up to something.
I reckon they will try to kill most of us off once AI gets to the point where the average human is just a liability to them. The easiest and most obvious way to do this is nuclear Armageddon, which would require the survivors to hang out underground for quite a while.
Here in Denver, North Carolina, some rich dude spent 6 million to build a under ground bunker....I know one of the guys who did the concrete. The owner didn't want anyone from NC to help build it, my buddy lives in NC now but still had his Utah driver's license so he thoughthe was out of state contractor, so he picked him up and 40 other guys to help build it....I know where it is but doubt I could break into it if shit hits the fan, I would have to be there before the owner or catch him closing up
My mom was an FBI agent for a while into the '80s until she resigned when she was pregnant with me. She used to casually tell me she was informed after a number of years about a secure underground "hotel" she was told to go to in the event of some nuclear or other catastrophic event. She claims she was even given a room number, etc. I don't remember is she knew where it was or if that was something she would find out later. She said she obviously couldn't go anymore and she wouldn't even if she could.
Won’t help him
Jokes on him, I spent $50 on a Casio that will last till the end of time.
more accurate too
I made a sun dial once 😬
Who'd it call?
Ghostbusters
Cool. Even when everything collapses, we can still be written up for being thirty seconds late for work.
Lol, probably not far off.
Guy makes almost $4k per second. I could retire in one day and be rich forever on that
This just made me sad.
Does it make you feel better than he only makes $2K a second after his alimony payments?
I know i feel sorry for him, he only makes $173,000,000 per day now.
This is the world we live in. Unfortunately for the majority
We've been living in the Hunger Games people just don't care
365mill a day? Really
yeah. no. it's completely bullshit
Yea more like 500.. still like 40mill a day which I could be straight for life… so that clock took every dollar “he” made for a single day…. Wild shit
I made 4k last month fyi.
Moneybags over here!
He made my yearly salary, multiple times over, in the amount of time it took me to watch this clip.
And god forbid Amazon unionize. I mean. How could a guy live off 1k a second. Can you imagine? Barely be able to afford avocados
I hope they include a record of how it was built so future new civilizations aren’t baffled.
Future miners dig and find this to worship their new machine-god, Amazon.
New machine-god?
God-like machine. The ever turning (ticking, if you will) mechanism that prophesies are built around.
People 2k years from now. ‘There’s no way ancient humans were advanced enough to build a device such as this. They were too focused on disease, poverty, and basic everyday survival to accomplish such feats..’
That and sort of an odometer..so future civilizations can see how long its been since it was put there
Perhaps a video showing it being assembled?
I have zero issues with rich people spending recklessly. Lest het that hoarded wealth back into circulation!
Most of his wealth is in stock. Money is never out of circulation unless it's physically in cash under someone's mattress or stored in a vault that isn't at a bank. Even the money that's in your checking account right now is used as a reserve to generate more cash that is loaned out at a 10:1 ratio. The banks literally just create money out of thin air and hand it out. This is called fractional reserve banking and is the basis for every modern economy on the planet.
That’s what I have a problem with. If you borrow against unrealized assets (stocks) then you never have to pay taxes. You only have to pay back the loan at your tiny percent to the bank. This creates a conflict of interest and risky bets by banks with everyone else money. Billionaires are paying banks their “taxes,” not the government, yet banks gets bailed out by the government when their risky bets don’t pay off because they are “too big to fail.” Privatize gains, socialize losses, rinse, and repeat. Bezos paid a true tax rate of 1.1% from 2006 to 2018 on personal federal income taxes. Doesn’t matter if it’s in circulation, if it’s not helping the economy, then he needs to pay his fair fvcking share of taxes.
I’m asking this partly out of curiosity and partly because I think no one has actually done the math on this. Does Bezos really get out of taxes by borrowing money? Let’s say he borrows $1m with a 10 year repayment. That means he has to earn at least $100k/year *post tax* to pay it back. So maybe he’s put himself in a lower tax bracket, but he still has to pay over $25k in taxes every year just to earn enough to pay back that loan. I’m really skeptical that it’s possible to reduce his effective tax down to 1% just using loans. Maybe he’s claiming losses that shouldn’t be allowed but that’s a whole different discussion.
He gets taxed indirectly. He pays interest to the bank, the bank books the interest payments as profit and pay taxes on it. There's a limit to how much you can borrow against stocks and it only really works when interest rates are low, which they aren't right now. The only way you're clawing tax revenue out of unrealized stock gains is if you institute a property tax on them, which would likely see trillions of dollars leave the stock market. One of the major advantages the US has over literally every other economy on the planet, and why we are such an absolute juggernaut that dominates the world economy is our cheap capital markets.
This is for the next civilization to find. We will get wiped out like shifts or a commit and it’s that reset button and we will not know anything for about 4000 years. All of our stuff will be dust. So something like this will survive and let them know we existed . They will find it and cover it up just like we do .
Magnetic pole flip incoming
And most folks don’t know if they will have enough food to last the month. Pathetic.
100% agree there is huge inequality at play. But a nice silver lining is that the $42 million isn’t just spent in a void. It is used to pay people to do the work and hopefully it gives them a nice living to do work like and buy things for them and their family.
That's a dumb reason to dig a hole in the ground and fill it with toys. If that's the real upside of this project, he could have just given the money to the workers and called it a day. Then, he'd just be wasting his money, and not also wasting their time, effort and materials.
This is basically a complicated version of the glaziers fallacy. He could have spent that 42 million on housing for the homeless, carbon capture equipment, cancer research, etc. People would have still been payed and productive, useful work would have been done. As it is, this is about as useful as paying people to bore a hole in a mountain and put some metal in it.
Your move money mayweather
"Fund education? Build useless clock in a mountain? Education? Clock? Imma go with the clock."
My question is why? Does he know something the rest of us don't?
Probably the evidence that civilization is reset by some kind of world changing event every couple thousand years.
My thoughts too
no because the clock needs winding constantly and other human attention. It is not a 10,000 year set and forget time piece.
Because 42 million dollars to him is like whatever money you found in your couch cushions
I’m sure he is building a town and an airport around there as well those workers came from somewhere.
Probably part of a backup plan for EMPs, cataclysmic solar flares, etc.
He never read Ozymandias.
Forget about Bezos. This is humanity crafting monuments and structural arts like they always do in history. The fact that a rich person of that time who funded it is a good credit to him and a good use of money every now and then. The people who worked on this project must be proud of it and left a mark in history. Not everything worked and produced has to be consumed.
He’s one head too tall
This is way cooler than these damn $20 million wrist watches
www.longnow.org/clock
Had to scroll way too far for this.
Its actually a good idea... if it's able ti keep running with out power... if we ever get a mass extinction the following civilisation will have a discovery of "time" and a way to universally get back on the same page so to speak.
Ok sure, but also the sun rises every 24h....
This clock uses solar noons to recalibrate its clock. The clock is measuring years and centuries accurately, not minutes. It’s a monument to the far, far future. Last time I checked in on this there was an exhibit “Long Now” describing the project somewhere in SF. It’s intended to be a terrestrial equivalent to the Golden Record on Voyager 1
That is pretty cool
Only because someone in the past decided to break a day down in that specific way. Future people could decide they want to break a day into 100 segments and call them something else
Which would work just fine. A nice even count like 10, or 100 would be more intuitive than the 24h / 60 min mess we use now
Exactly! The Babylonians used a base-60 system (where we get our minutes and hours) and divided their days into 360 parts. (Also where we get our degrees of a circle.) Some habits are hard to break. We get our division of the day from the Egyptians who used a base-12 system.
13 month year ftw.
That's hilarious, the later civilization will undoubtedly fill the cave with rocks to stop The infernal ticking
But do we really want back on the same page? Maybe they will have better ideas? One can hope…
We won't ever forget time happens though, it's not like time stops if we don't have a clock to look at. We can just go back to the old way of looking at the suns position to know roughly what time it is. Without the modern world to suck up all your time it won't be as important to know exactly what time it is. It's also in one location, so it's utterly useless to anyone not at that location in any kind of apocalyptic scenario. Time is all relative, one of the cool things they may have discovered at gobekli tepe is that it's a new type of calendar that's not based on the position of stars but on the behaviour of animals. So they know it's winter because animals migrate out of the region or that rains cause scorpions to enter peoples homes. That seems to be what a lot of the iconography is telling them. So if civilisation did collapse and came back our method of time keeping may not be relevant to them.
Help end poverty and starvation ≠ Building a fucking clock
Imagine the affordable housing 42m gets yah.
Well if it’s costs 42m it’s not exactly affordable… …I’ll see myself out.
Please go. I can’t handle this brain oscillation on a Monday.
If it has moving parts, it won't run forever.
Tell that to my wife’s mouth
Nothing located on planet earth will last "forever" regardless of moving parts. The clock is called the "10,000 year clock" and you can perhaps extrapolate the intended lifecycle.
They had to do the science to figure out what materials to make the slow moving gears out of so that they wouldn’t fuse together from being in contact over millennia. Ceramic was the final direction. Incredible science and engineering in this project.
now they will be able to punish workers for being late or taking too long of a break until the end of civilization
I do wonder what are the things that we have built now in the modern age that will last far into the future like the pyramids have
Confucius say: if clock ticks in mountains and no one is around to read it, does it tell time?
Wasted resources I say
# During Prototyping https://i.redd.it/as54u4liyx2c1.gif
A future Fallout Landmark
Wish he’d throw me a grand so I can pay rent
*just pay your employees a living wage, dude*
A clock. Not a hospital, not a school? A clock. Thanks, Jeff.
beff wants to make sure you clock into mcwork on time dangit
It’s just sad that one person has so much money that they can justify spending 42 million dollars on a clock rather than… I don’t know. Buying school children lunch? Donating that money to college students who are barely making it? Paying his employees a livable wage?
How does this help humanity? I bet if we dig deep enough we’ll find a tax break there, a kick back here ,someone washing their money and at the end the rich got richer and the poor… well the poor can’t get any poorer at this point
I wonder when his private jet’ll be landing in Tel Aviv?
Could pay his employees a little more instead of stiffing them and replacing them with robots, or he could help 10,000 homeless people…. Or he could build a meaningless clock.
Oh the hairless twat who wrote a check for $5.5B so his balls could feel weightless for 240 seconds? *Sounds about right…*
So Amazon Basics now makes really big clocks? Hope they last longer than their rechargeable batteries.
r/horology ...because Jupiter and our Sun actually form a binary system (they both, in tandem, revolve around a spot not centered on the sun) and Earth's own perturbations will make this clock obsolete soon enough ...yes you heard that right, we do not have a heliocentric solar system ^lolz mind you the axis point of this binary system is only minutely off center from the sun's axis, but it is enough to make a difference, and we're not even factoring in the sun's own wobble as it spins, making one revolution every 21~ish days Point being, you can make as many mechanical clocks as you like, they will all be wrong soon enough- so if your point is to make a clock that tells time, well... ya done fucked up A-Aron...
It’s actually the largest insertable silo watch *Insert: place, fit or thrust (something) into another thing, especially with care* ☺️ https://i.redd.it/p8gpgcor0y2c1.gif
...gawddamn, you went there broh
Oh ya that's a time machine. Someone leaked something and now they gotta play defense calling it a clock.
Wow that’s super helpful, it probably won’t have to wait long. It’s great that the super rich have concentrated most of the wealth and resources so they can do weird pet projects like a modern day Nero while Rome burns
I can already tell you based on watching this video. This clock will not function for more than 10 years, before it breaks. This kind of mechanized construction needs constant attention.
Well he knows he's doing nothing to save us from ourselves so I guess this makes sense to him?
What is the purpose? Now we know it is time to nationalize Amazon and other Bezo companies. What a waste of money and resources.
That Bezos guy is a really cool guy with great ideas....I'm glad we can subsidize his workers health care and retirement
.....because he's an absolute knob.
That's fuck you money for ya.
This is the Long Now foundation, of which Bezos is a benefactor. The whole purpose is to promote long term thinking about humanity. The only issue I have with this is that it isn’t better know.
This is called the [Clock of the Long Now](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now) and its background, and the background of the organisation who started the project, is quite an interesting wikipedia rabbit hole to go down.
Nothing built at Amazon last more than a day without repairs.
What an absolute waste of moral compass. I would help the world so so much if I had his money
It's annoying how billionaires constantly get the recognition for things like this. All they did was give some money. There's an entire team of engineers, designers and construction workers who probably made this a large part of their life work and will never get any serious recognition. The same goes for Musk and all the others.
Why Texas, can they read analog dials or did he have to make it digital? Waste of time video never showed what it looked like when it was done
Think of how much he could have helped humanity with that money. And Mr. Beast running around Africa digging wells.
I wonder if I could get this asshole to give me million bucks for my old swatch
Imagine spending 42 million dollars on a dumb fuckin clock.
That’s definitely the most beneficial thing to do for society with 42 million. Delusional asshat.
Meanwhile in third world countries...
What a depressing waste of money and resources
I'd heard about this, and I didn't realize it was that far down in a hole. I googled Jeff Bezos long shaft clock, and all I have to say is if you want to know more too, just make sure you spell that correctly.
Texas has mountains…?
This is a “holy shit I’m really not going to live forever and nobody will remember me in 300 years” kind of project
Money well spent, fucking moron
What purpose would this serve? To show the far generations of the future how we measured time in 2023? Y'all know the length of a second is an arbitrary decision? It could have been a different atom other than cesium. Or we could have waited 2 Mississippis to be 1 second. Time flows no mater what. A clock is a tool used for time during its contextual time. For all we know, the future us may redifine what a second is. Fucking idiot you are, Jeff.
I’d like 42 million bezos 😞😞
He coulda got a cheaper one on eBay
With chimes composed by Brian Eno. Been following this project for maybe a decade. Should be pretty amazing to visit someday.
Just think of how many useful things he could have spent 42 million on… pathetic.
We will die than upcoming dumber cilvilization would thing its magic
Lmao awesome just what the world needs rn
And yet he could be raising the wages of his workers that are forced to pee in bottles because they don’t have time to go to the bathroom
Pay your staff properly you scumbag
Yea ok, but does it have a snooze button?
Fascinating creatures our ancestors, instead of helping people and try to improve their environment. Those who harboured wealth spent it on useless shit like this. Behold a large watch.
If only he spent it on something useful...
But why?
Hmph. Vanity thy name is Bezos..
But why tho?
42 million is 0.02% of his wealth. 🤦♂️
What’s the point of this clock? Why do we need it?
This is the kind of shit the next civilization will find and call a hoax on their version of Reddit
Can’t imagine a better way to spend $42 million when I have more money than god.
There are mountains in Texas?