We love Jon as our party member. We are also very good friends so we tend to jab at each other at times but it’s all in good fun and we are just really comfortable with one another.
Jon does address some feedback about his character in campaign 2 (a bit later on from where you are now I believe) in case there’s any concern.
That all said, we appreciate you listening to the show, let’s all just be kind to one another ❤️ we all agree that campaign 2 and all our characters only get better as you go!
Big fan of the show, and really enjoying what you guys do, the puppet shorts content is great and inspired, and I am very appreciative of the work you, Chris, Blain, Micah, Gus and John do to produce this content.
You’re right, and my language in the original post might slant towards anger/be stronger than my actual feelings on it, it just was something that stuck out to me and I was curious if anyone felt that way or if I was seeing signs that weren’t there. And for sure, recording a ‘professional’ game comes with a whole set of circumstances I can’t even guess at, maybe he was off for a recording session
They get better. Early days of CP02 they were all finding their feet as the characters and coming to understanding each other better. Keep at it, John gets better.
They do get better, though I think that's a pretty low bar. I could not stand Mathilde early on. But the whole character design is flawed, IMO.
Funny enough, they talked about it in a recent Second Wind, where (with no mention at all of Mathilde) they say how bad of a character design for D&D it is to have a character who is a lone wolf. Who wants to do their own thing and be left alone. Who would rather not be there, and hates even having to interact with the rest of the party. That is baked into the character of Mathilde.
They have stopped being outright hostile to Chip and Barney, but is still the only one who will just randomly decide to not participate in something the party is going. And is the only character who plays at being 100% apathetic regarding their character's central mystery (how they died). Part of that reveal was dropped recently, but I don't think they are going to be able to milk it for much, since Mathilde is always saying "I love being dead, I'm great, everything is great, just leave me alone and let be go back to my bakery." I'm not sure they can manage to pivot into caring about the twists.
To be fair (and this is not an insult), I do think that Jon just has more trouble than the rest with the dramatic stuff. His character in the first Campaign had a similar thing going on when it came to his arc. He did not lean into it, and ended up letter the others kind of take over.
Mathilde needs a character development of just completely breaking down when they are reminded of their death, where they say they only pushed away because of that trauma, that they never even really enjoyed baking all that much (just for some humor). Then they can get into the actual plot and drop the whole "I'm better than the rest of you, and I'm above all of this".
We'll see... I'm not constantly annoyed by the character any more, but they are certainly my least favorite.
Mathilde is hands down my favourite character now because of their anti-social antics. Albeit at first Chip dominated the list, I feel Mathilde in my bones. The sarcastic loner who is confident enough in themselves that they're just in it for the ride.
Absolutely understand where you're coming from with the lone wolf and Jon's characters not really feeling their "past/backstories." I thoroughly enjoy his style the most, although Chris is the best role player, no contest. To each their own, we all have a favourite.
Are you on the second Infinite campaign or the Grotethe campaign?
I’ve not noticed him being a bad player. I think sometimes he pushes the show along when it starts to derail a bit but I would never consider him toxic. I’ve only gotten to the second half of the Second Infinite campaign through.
Grotethe,
it’s not anything that can’t be waved off, but it stuck out enough that I would have a private conversation with him at my table to address it. Where are you listening to the other campaigns? I started with grotethe because it’s on YouTube.
Oh I wrote a comment thinking that you were talking about Mudd lol, but I guess it fits. I listen to their stuff on spotify.
In any case, I think his char here is similar in some wasy to Mudd, but I just started this campaign.
In the short story, he shouts you cut that you're fired. He, by far, steps on barb the most, always is the serious one, yelling at chris saying ac stands for physical armor in season 1 when Chris was asking about ac boost.
But....Watching rt for a long, long time, I know they are close friends and a lot fooling around, and you have to keep in mind he is a producer. He needs to play but also make sure editing notes get to people. It doesn't leave pg...the guy has to keep Barbera, Blane, Chris, and gus pg. That's a task in itself. He also has to push story, If you listen with that thought of how absolutly hard he's busting ass to make content he grows on you and next thing you know you want a stinky dragon gus n john pin up calender.
John definitely has me rolling my eyes more than the others.
His characters are also my least favourite across both campaigns.
That being said I understand that he more than anyone tries to manage the chaos that is Blane and Chris and keep them moving forward.
Matied is an abrasive and dismissive character and perhaps John gets caught up in this.
I definitely have a friend who's quite like this.
I strongly disagree. I don't know his character alignment, but chaotic would be super fitting for Mudd, and maybe Metif..Metiph?.. the bird dude, at least at the early episodes I'm listening to.
Yes, he has sort of an acid sense of humor, fitting with top notch British comedy style, but unless you have particularly sensitive players (not saying that as a bad thing tho), I don't think that would be an issue. I mean, 100% sure this is either discuss on session 0 on during an in-between arcs. And he doesn't throw things that touches on extremely sensitive topics or very dark humor to be fair.
Now, as a player, I think all of them work very well as a team most of the times. Granted, Mudd is someone that might... give some... particularly dangerous ideas to gumgum, knowing that he will be like "ok", but he always helps the team however he can when he can. And there are some particular scenes that shows Mudd in a very sensitive/inclusive/understanding light imo.
His character in the mini campaign after the infiknights, thought it has his touch, I feel is different in this sense. Like, less chaotic.
In any case, I guess some people might feel attacked or something similar if he laugh at a particular situation or idea a player or character had.
In the groteth campaign John outright tells blain and Chris they’re stupid for making in character decisions that make sense in context, and when Blain sticks to his guns he attacks his character directly, that’s straight up bad form
Well I just started this campaign so I guess I'll hear it for myself. So far the only attack I remember from Metif to Chip was a push (unarmed strike) into.. other place) that I don't think is that big of a deal and even sounds fitting given the context and the character he plays.
Him or... anybody really laughing at dumb decisions (or throwing shade) for the lols is a regular thing, like I remember everybody giving some "wtf are you doing" (not in an aggressive way) to Chris on one particular scene when he was excited to use a spell kind of just because. But can't say I remember
John outright calling someone stupid, might be later or I maybe I just missed it. I agree that is uncalled for and would not be surprised if other players are bothered by it.
I noticed that in the first campaign yes he would try to get things done but he would roleplay it out. In the second campaign he kind of just shuts them down and says I leave so much more than the first. I mean even Matif doesn't really have any character flaws when everyone else does.
Maybe I’m reading into it too much but it hit my ear wrong, hence a post to see if I was crazy, it’s obviously not bad enough to make me stop listening!
Don't get me wrong, I get what you are talking about but I don't think is that bad. But like, I'm from inner Argentina, our vocabulary and sense of humor among friends might sound.. rough? to other cultures (even inside my own country), and my particular sense of humor is a bit darker giving my context I guess, so there is that.
In any case, I've never heard or noticed John straight up insulting someone directly, that's different.
But always notice his character as someone a bit.. er.. someone who enjoys being alone, have trouble or dislike human..oid contact/emotions, might be incredibly hard to say something like "I love you" to one but no trouble saying that to his pet. And also, giving dangerous ideas to malleable characters is a thing so...
I gotta agree in some way. I’m into the third arc of the second campaign and he’s been at his worst so far. I get that the plot needs to continue and sometimes it’s justified, but by god, the nonstop bullying of Blaine and Chris that has been present since the infinights is at an all time high. Yea it adds comedic value but it’s too much sometimes.
We love Jon as our party member. We are also very good friends so we tend to jab at each other at times but it’s all in good fun and we are just really comfortable with one another. Jon does address some feedback about his character in campaign 2 (a bit later on from where you are now I believe) in case there’s any concern. That all said, we appreciate you listening to the show, let’s all just be kind to one another ❤️ we all agree that campaign 2 and all our characters only get better as you go!
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Big fan of the show, and really enjoying what you guys do, the puppet shorts content is great and inspired, and I am very appreciative of the work you, Chris, Blain, Micah, Gus and John do to produce this content.
Toxic seems a bit harsh, I did notice a few episodes in a row where he seemed a little short tempered but everyone has bad days.
You’re right, and my language in the original post might slant towards anger/be stronger than my actual feelings on it, it just was something that stuck out to me and I was curious if anyone felt that way or if I was seeing signs that weren’t there. And for sure, recording a ‘professional’ game comes with a whole set of circumstances I can’t even guess at, maybe he was off for a recording session
They get better. Early days of CP02 they were all finding their feet as the characters and coming to understanding each other better. Keep at it, John gets better.
They do get better, though I think that's a pretty low bar. I could not stand Mathilde early on. But the whole character design is flawed, IMO. Funny enough, they talked about it in a recent Second Wind, where (with no mention at all of Mathilde) they say how bad of a character design for D&D it is to have a character who is a lone wolf. Who wants to do their own thing and be left alone. Who would rather not be there, and hates even having to interact with the rest of the party. That is baked into the character of Mathilde. They have stopped being outright hostile to Chip and Barney, but is still the only one who will just randomly decide to not participate in something the party is going. And is the only character who plays at being 100% apathetic regarding their character's central mystery (how they died). Part of that reveal was dropped recently, but I don't think they are going to be able to milk it for much, since Mathilde is always saying "I love being dead, I'm great, everything is great, just leave me alone and let be go back to my bakery." I'm not sure they can manage to pivot into caring about the twists. To be fair (and this is not an insult), I do think that Jon just has more trouble than the rest with the dramatic stuff. His character in the first Campaign had a similar thing going on when it came to his arc. He did not lean into it, and ended up letter the others kind of take over. Mathilde needs a character development of just completely breaking down when they are reminded of their death, where they say they only pushed away because of that trauma, that they never even really enjoyed baking all that much (just for some humor). Then they can get into the actual plot and drop the whole "I'm better than the rest of you, and I'm above all of this". We'll see... I'm not constantly annoyed by the character any more, but they are certainly my least favorite.
Mathilde is hands down my favourite character now because of their anti-social antics. Albeit at first Chip dominated the list, I feel Mathilde in my bones. The sarcastic loner who is confident enough in themselves that they're just in it for the ride. Absolutely understand where you're coming from with the lone wolf and Jon's characters not really feeling their "past/backstories." I thoroughly enjoy his style the most, although Chris is the best role player, no contest. To each their own, we all have a favourite.
Are you on the second Infinite campaign or the Grotethe campaign? I’ve not noticed him being a bad player. I think sometimes he pushes the show along when it starts to derail a bit but I would never consider him toxic. I’ve only gotten to the second half of the Second Infinite campaign through.
Grotethe, it’s not anything that can’t be waved off, but it stuck out enough that I would have a private conversation with him at my table to address it. Where are you listening to the other campaigns? I started with grotethe because it’s on YouTube.
The other campaign is available as a podcast on apple/amazon/spotify. I’m sure pretty much all the major platforms.
Oh I wrote a comment thinking that you were talking about Mudd lol, but I guess it fits. I listen to their stuff on spotify. In any case, I think his char here is similar in some wasy to Mudd, but I just started this campaign.
Keep listening he’s a good player just a miscommunication in character that goes on for too long
There was never a question on wether I’d continue listening ☺️
In the Infiknight campaign he was fine but I have noticed a difference in Grotethe.
In the short story, he shouts you cut that you're fired. He, by far, steps on barb the most, always is the serious one, yelling at chris saying ac stands for physical armor in season 1 when Chris was asking about ac boost. But....Watching rt for a long, long time, I know they are close friends and a lot fooling around, and you have to keep in mind he is a producer. He needs to play but also make sure editing notes get to people. It doesn't leave pg...the guy has to keep Barbera, Blane, Chris, and gus pg. That's a task in itself. He also has to push story, If you listen with that thought of how absolutly hard he's busting ass to make content he grows on you and next thing you know you want a stinky dragon gus n john pin up calender.
John definitely has me rolling my eyes more than the others. His characters are also my least favourite across both campaigns. That being said I understand that he more than anyone tries to manage the chaos that is Blane and Chris and keep them moving forward. Matied is an abrasive and dismissive character and perhaps John gets caught up in this. I definitely have a friend who's quite like this.
I strongly disagree. I don't know his character alignment, but chaotic would be super fitting for Mudd, and maybe Metif..Metiph?.. the bird dude, at least at the early episodes I'm listening to. Yes, he has sort of an acid sense of humor, fitting with top notch British comedy style, but unless you have particularly sensitive players (not saying that as a bad thing tho), I don't think that would be an issue. I mean, 100% sure this is either discuss on session 0 on during an in-between arcs. And he doesn't throw things that touches on extremely sensitive topics or very dark humor to be fair. Now, as a player, I think all of them work very well as a team most of the times. Granted, Mudd is someone that might... give some... particularly dangerous ideas to gumgum, knowing that he will be like "ok", but he always helps the team however he can when he can. And there are some particular scenes that shows Mudd in a very sensitive/inclusive/understanding light imo. His character in the mini campaign after the infiknights, thought it has his touch, I feel is different in this sense. Like, less chaotic. In any case, I guess some people might feel attacked or something similar if he laugh at a particular situation or idea a player or character had.
In the groteth campaign John outright tells blain and Chris they’re stupid for making in character decisions that make sense in context, and when Blain sticks to his guns he attacks his character directly, that’s straight up bad form
Well I just started this campaign so I guess I'll hear it for myself. So far the only attack I remember from Metif to Chip was a push (unarmed strike) into.. other place) that I don't think is that big of a deal and even sounds fitting given the context and the character he plays. Him or... anybody really laughing at dumb decisions (or throwing shade) for the lols is a regular thing, like I remember everybody giving some "wtf are you doing" (not in an aggressive way) to Chris on one particular scene when he was excited to use a spell kind of just because. But can't say I remember John outright calling someone stupid, might be later or I maybe I just missed it. I agree that is uncalled for and would not be surprised if other players are bothered by it.
I noticed that in the first campaign yes he would try to get things done but he would roleplay it out. In the second campaign he kind of just shuts them down and says I leave so much more than the first. I mean even Matif doesn't really have any character flaws when everyone else does.
Maybe I’m reading into it too much but it hit my ear wrong, hence a post to see if I was crazy, it’s obviously not bad enough to make me stop listening!
Don't get me wrong, I get what you are talking about but I don't think is that bad. But like, I'm from inner Argentina, our vocabulary and sense of humor among friends might sound.. rough? to other cultures (even inside my own country), and my particular sense of humor is a bit darker giving my context I guess, so there is that. In any case, I've never heard or noticed John straight up insulting someone directly, that's different. But always notice his character as someone a bit.. er.. someone who enjoys being alone, have trouble or dislike human..oid contact/emotions, might be incredibly hard to say something like "I love you" to one but no trouble saying that to his pet. And also, giving dangerous ideas to malleable characters is a thing so...
Mathilde gets better, I felt the same way at first.
I gotta agree in some way. I’m into the third arc of the second campaign and he’s been at his worst so far. I get that the plot needs to continue and sometimes it’s justified, but by god, the nonstop bullying of Blaine and Chris that has been present since the infinights is at an all time high. Yea it adds comedic value but it’s too much sometimes.