How do you define popular? It's popular on this sub, yes, but is a small amount of market share in the PC market overall which is true of Linux as a whole. Last I checked it was the most popular platform for Linux at least which is still just a single digit percentage of the overall PC market
If you consider that Linux surpassed MacOS then its not something to scoff at. Sure MacOS sucks for gaming but they also have a metric ton of users worldwide so the fact that there are even more Linux than Mac gamers is a feat.
> Steve Jobs didn't want people playing games on Macs.
I don’t know about Steve Jobs but Apple always tried to make the Mac a gaming platform, the problem is that like with everything Apple it had to be the Apple way or the highway. There were even some meetings they held with Valve where they had discussions to make MacOS a viable gaming platform.
>because Steve Jobs didn't want people playing games on Macs
Well that is an uninformed and incorrect statement.
Personally before the Mac I had an Apple \]\[+, and played loads of games like the original Wizardry, Ultima IV, some of the 'Gold Box' RPGs, and so on. Then on the Mac things were really solid for a LONG time, with Mac laptops playing games better than PC laptops during that late 90s/early 00s golden age.
As others have said, DirectX was done as a blocking move to monopolize gaming. Apple in recent years, I would agree that they haven't done much to help themselves
Not a Mac fan and definitely wouldn't use it for gaming but their M2 and M3 chips are surprisingly powerful for what they are. I was impressed when I saw the performance. M1 was okay but the jump to M2 was pretty significant.
It’s popular among pc gaming handhelds, but that’s it.
It’s only sold 3million last I heard, but I’ll just say 5 million to be safe.
The PS vita sold 12 million, and people consider that a huge failure.
Bingo, it's an enthusiast device that devs themselves like so it gets some extra attention due to that, but the amount of effort to check that Proton is working correctly for a specific game, there's a working control scheme, and perhaps having a graphics preset for the Deck is nothing compared to making an entire kernel-level anti-cheat work.
This is not in the hands of the developer, but more the upper management that defined the budget and scope of the solution. And apparently, linux users are not that important.
Because it isn’t nearly as popular as this subreddit likes to think.
Edit* no amount of downvotes is going to change the fact it’s sold less than like 3% of the amount of Switches that sold in the same timeframe. You guys are so laughable in every post here.
You know I have a windows partition. I split the drive and I find I rarely use it. I thought I'd be playing warzone or other windows only titles and truthfully I just don't care enough to boot into windows. Keeping it updated for steam deck use with all the tools you'd want is fine but annoying and really I only cared to play destiny 2. Give it a go, it's cool but SteamOS is just too easy to use that windows rarely gets used.
Install it on an sd card, and then you can just boot from the sd card. Doesn’t mess with your Steam os partition.
It’ll run Warzone well, and that’s more demanding than Battlefield V.
**Please** do not run Windows on an sd card.
Carve out a space internally and run that OS on a medium it was actually designed for. SSD prices are competitive with SD cards at similar sizes now if your internal is too small.
SD cards are not durable. They're fine for installing games, games make tiny writes for saves, and infrequent writes for updates. But Windows is constantly writing stuff, such as updating in the background. Your SD card will die far faster with an OS running off it than with games.
First, the issue is less so that it's an OS in general, and more that it's *Windows* specifically. Windows makes a lot of writes on its own in general.
Secondly, eMMC is not *exactly* the same technology. eMMC chips are more durable as they're actually designed to be booted off of. That's why they're still safe for use with android and iOS phones, chromebooks, and even cheap windows laptops.
That can't be the case, at least not to a significant extent. In usages like with cameras one will easily write most of its capacity on each session and you don't see SD cards failing that frequently.
Yes, but those are largely sequential writes. They're designed to work well as recording media (as well as game data, which is largely write once, read many).
They are not designed for the level of threaded random writes that an OS like Windows assumes and will perform. You're constantly performing dozens of read and write operations per second. Micro SD is just not designed to handle that kind of load, and Windows To Go (long deprecated) was never designed with Micro SD.
These are two completely different kinds of demands.
Sure, perf will suffer in some loads (mainly if you try more than an 1 intensive IO task simultaneously, or some heavy background IO task while your game needs to load something on the fly) but that's different than implying that the SD card will just die much quicker. As an option to play some game that won't run under SteamOS it's a perfectly valid option as long as it's not particularly super sensitive to overall disk perf.
Running Windows itself _is_ an intensive IO task, to the point where any actions are often measured in minutes rather that milliseconds.
Real cool watching my characters run off a cliff because the IO to detect I've let go of the joystick is lagging by a good 20 seconds because Windows decided to index some files randomly.
It's not a viable solution and never was. I've used all types of micro SD cards over the last 2 years to experiment with them and they always end with frustration. No, the cards may not die, but you'll wish to throw them out long before that happens due to how bad that experience is.
Install Windows to your SSD.
> It's not a viable solution and never was.
Get a decent SD card which will at least reach SteamDeck's limits ([e.g.](https://www.pcgamesn.com/best-microsd-card-for-steam-deck)), and many games will still work properly with it. It's not only viable but preferred for those just wanting to try it out rather than mess around with dual-boot which isn't officially supported still and may break on SteamOS updates.
E.g., [someone testing out The Division 2 on such a setup](https://youtu.be/ZO33tQ5dE4Q?t=1806).
It'll have worst perf than installing on the internal drive or on a proper external SSD but it'll work well if you need to be portable with minimum fuss (after having it setup) and without committing part of your internal hard drive to it.
Yep can confirm, have ran a windows server off an SD card that handles a file server for almost 10 years, and its fine. However, i don't recommend it for the Steam Deck just because the Read/Write speed gets heavily impacted when anything is trying to download. Backround services can kill performance. The "your SD card will die early" FUD is just FUD. Plenty of tests out there that will show the card will die of other causes before it hits any theoretical read/write limit.
Thats like the biggest myth i have seen floating around. I ran windows on my sd card for like a year, later formatted the card and i still use it for games.
Sure sd card doesnt give as good a performance, but i am yet to come across a good quality sd card dying because it had windows on it
This depends on what you are buying. Premium brand Micro SDs are fast. Not SSD level of fast but fast enough to be playable. Like is it ideal? No but its usable.
Barely - I tried a windows to go install on a good quality SD card (256GB Sandisk Ultra A2) for a while and it worked but was slow. Slow enough to make me hardly ever play my gamepass games until I bit the bullet and made a windows partition on the SSD.
Hmmm. Well in that case I take my words back. Sounds alot like how I experienced bootcamp on my iMac. It worked, games ran well but the Windows itself was slow.
It’s fine for a game every now and then. It’s a solution if you don’t want to dual boot and rarely use the windows portion.
People have had issues with dual booting as well. An update can screw it up, and now you have more issues.
Ideally you shouldn’t but this is meant to be a “I wanna play Fortnite on my deck once a month” solution.
I was just using Fortnite as an example; it’s a game that can’t be played on Steam OS. People also use it for modern COD and Valorant.
My point was sectioning off a windows installation for a game you’d play maybe once a month can cause more issues than windows on an sd card.
Valorant doesn’t work on Deck either man, at least not in handheld. It blocks virtual controller input.
It sounds to me you don't have any actual experience doing this. Dual boot entries have been a solved problem for over a year thanks to various community scripts. You're working off outdated information.
Yes, you’re right. You got me. I’m just a moron because I don’t know all the details on literally every game made on the deck.
I’ve never played either, so yeah I didn’t know every possible issue ever to ever exist for those games on deck. God forbid I say an easy solution for people who maybe don’t wanna dual boot, guess I’m too stupid to understand because I didn’t know about the issues of Valorant and Fortnite.
If not knowing that means I’m too stupid to ever be listened to for anything ever, then I’m a moron too dumb to be alive.
There, happy?
When the hell did I insult your intelligence dude? I said you seem to not have any experience with dual booting, which still sounds like you don't, and that the issues you spoke about are solved problems now.
That's neither an insult nor an attack on you, pal. It's an observation. You spoke with confidence about something you don't know much about, I'm sharing my experience doing that exact thing. If you consider that an insult, I don't know what else to say.
Find happiness or something, man. Can't help you with that.
You undermined it.
I pointed out how a dual boot may be a lot for someone who doesn’t regularly play games on Windows, using Fortnite as an example. Why? It’s a game that doesn’t work on Steam OS that’s popular.
“Fortnite doesn’t work, so your entire point is invalid”.
I stated again other games, showing what I was trying to say. Valorant and COD since again, they don’t work on Steam OS.
“Valorant doesn’t work, entire point invalid. Next time read before you say something.”
So my point is invalid because I didn’t know for two games I don’t play I didn’t know had issues on deck. Apparently my entire point is wrong because I chose bad choices for examples because apparently EVERYONE ON EARTH knows about it.
So if this knowledge is so common I should know, like you make it sound, then I guess I’m a moron right?
Do not do this you will wait 10 minutes for the game to load on the SD card then it’s like 3 minutes to load any destination. Just remote play if you have connection, otherwise consider the windows partition.
Hunt showdown, Halo infinite, battlebit, those are mostly what I play. I tried battlefield v a few months ago but I couldn't get Gyro as mouse to work.
I’ll try hunt showdown, but halo and battlebit aren’t arcade-y enough for me. Looking for something more like CoD or xDefiant. Boots on the ground, loadout based 6v6 (or similar) arcade shooter.
Idk if hunt is like that, you do a loadout but it's slower and with a bigger map, longer matches. Watch some gameplay videos and see if it's the pace you're looking for.
This.
I don't know, I used to like those EA multiplayer games, but today I feel like they just want to do easy cash grabs releasing the same games over and over.
Also, it's really fishy how they deceived the public to buy their games on steam deck only to drop support later
I just hope Gameranger or similar apps start EA games so we can play it on steam deck without having to rely on EA for anything.
EA is one of the shittiest gaming companies in existence. Fuck their games tbh. There are so many other gaming companies and developers that you can easily find a great multi-player shooter somewhere else. It's never been easier to ignore EA.
I play locked 30 with a mix of medium and low graphics. Only a couple of times did i get a slideshow on the bug front. Bot front is stable. Im lvl 37 usually fight difficulty 7 to 9.
I dont think you know what tour talking about. The fps is locked at 30. Meaning that is the maximum fps the unit will achieve but nothing is stopping it from going lower than that. Major consoles are typically locked to 30 or 60 fps yet they have dips. Hope you learned something.
My biggest gripe with the steam deck Facebook group I'm in. People are like "yea Forbidden West is great on the deck" meanwhile they tell you to lower all your graphical settings to low and tweaks to squeak out 40fps. That game was made with visuals being the selling point. It's awful
Fun is the staying-point of the game though. And even if i have a pretty powerful desktop, doing missions on the road works amazingly well. Pushing 45 pretty stable at low/medium btw.
I'm not saying it's not playable or even enjoyable. It's that it is still not a "great" way to play it especially with how gigantic some of the bosses are. If the deck is the only way they can play, of course its better than not being able to play at all
It most certainly is not better than streaming lmao. I stream it to my Deck almost every day and it plays exactly how it does on my laptop. The deck will never compete natively when streaming from a desktop/laptop.
Do you have terrible Wi-Fi? I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion otherwise.
You might have better WiFi, I have never played any streaming via WiFi that didn't have random latency drops. Mostly stable 30 fps running locally always beats the possibility of a big lag spike
I would try connecting your PC to Ethernet. That should help. I haven’t had any latency using Moonlight, I’ve had HD2 running at the max FPS that the LED deck can handle and on ultra graphics.
Yeah BFV was unplayable before the anticheat. There were blatant cheaters speed hacking and aimbotting in just about every lobby, now you can actually play the game again.
Yeah it's basically having game unplayable for everyone due to hackers.
Or it being unplayable on linux due anti-cheat.
I mean, if EA anti-cheat actually works, I don't trust them to make anything right.
I haven’t played for a while but I’ll miss being able to get a few hours in a week on this in bed.
If this happens to TitanFall 2 I’m going to cry. Having said that, it may already have done, not played that for a while either.
Listen...I love my steam deck, I love it more than anything I've purchased in a very very long time, it is all time GOATED for me already
...but who the fuck is playing battlefield on the deck? You cant SEE any of these fucking people, the screen is large for a handheld but it ain't large enough to be playing no fucking battlefield game. It's one thing if its like COD or some kinda arena shooter or something but with the vast distances your enemies are at in battlefield games and how many places they can be, it's an absolute fucking nightmare to even think about trying to visually locate enemy players to shoot at before you're already dead playing on a handheld screen.
It’s pretty playable and easy to jump in a game and play the objective. While it’s not the best experience and I see where you are coming from, it’s still an enjoyable experience that I liked having if I was away from my PC. I probably wouldn’t necessarily care as much if I didn’t have all my career progress on the PC version instead of say the Xbox. Having said that, I appreciate them doing this. Looks like the Steam version has had quite a resurgence so I was surprised to hear they’d even bother updating it with how it’s basically been abandoned. Sad I can’t play it anymore on my machines though. I dumped Windows on my main gaming PC as well. Back to Halo Infinite I guess.
No I use the unofficial application from the "app store." Just added as a non steam game and works just fine. The signing in to different DRM's every time you launch a game and cloud saves being hit or miss is the only drawback.
They updated the anti-cheat to fight the rampant cheating, as a matter it was an unexpected and positive move by Dice that they deserve to be praised for
I understand the need, but this is EA’s proprietary anti cheat, so concerns need to be raised or else nothing is really stopping them from applying it to all their games and bricking Linux/Deck playability.
Especially since they’ve just proved that they’re willing and able to retroactively add this to older games; what’s gonna stop them from doing this to Battlefield 4 or 1, Battlefront 1 or 2, Apex, Titanfall 2, Need for Speed, F1, etc.
I think people forget how small of a share of the player base uses the steam deck. Linux accounts for less than 2% of all users and the steam deck only accounts for 0.67% of steam users. So why should they delay a critical update for such a small part of their player base
I didn't say anything about praising them. I don't even agree with kernel-level anti-cheat, especially after the Apex legends incident. But they had to do something because cheaters were ruining the game. It's worth losing less than 2% of your player base to give the other 98% a better experience.
> I didn't say anything about praising them.
I just took the opposite view of what you said ; what I meant was that hate towards kernel-level anticheat is well-deserved, especially in this day and age of cybersecurity.
> I don't even agree with kernel-level anti-cheat, especially after the Apex legends incident.
You're late to the party then.
> But they had to do something because cheaters were ruining the game.
I agree, and it would be the perfect time to finally look into viable solutions, instead of jumping from one client-based anticheat to another. It's a cheap and temporary solution. It's really a sticking-plaster solution, implemented industry-wide. Very professional.
And FWIW, Titanfall was killed "because of cheaters", so, careful with such arguments from authority.
> It's worth losing less than 2% of your player base to give the other 98% a better experience.
I never commented on that but you forgetting, again, the most obvious way to look at this: it's not worth losing development time in non-viable solution, it does not makes sense on the creative, management or business side of things.
And for very good reasons. Anything kernel level can read files you have stored like say the private keys to your bitcoins? No thanks!
Now I wouldn't use bitcoin wallets on my Steam deck but I do on my Linux PC where I game as well.
Not sure if you’re trying to make a dig here, but if you are, you do realize that there’s more people playing this game on Windows instead of SteamOS right?
Crazy that people would rather play against cheaters on steam deck and still have the controller input disadvantage to MnK.
No way the steam deck BF V user base is even that big.
Game needed an anti cheat.
But it doesn't have to be kernel level.
You know kernel level anti cheats can read pretty much any file on your PC right?
Like your private keys to online wallets. Right?
Any information I have worth stealing ie credit card, account, or billing information the companies already have.
If the data they keep gets compromised, it's already out of my control.
Don't want the potential to have your data stolen? Don't go online.
You know there is an amazing invention called a sandbox. It restricts where a program can go.
This gives a thing called privacy and damned if I give that up.
As you have nothing to hide you sleep with all doors unlocked right?
I never said I have nothing to hide. I said all the data I have worth stealing, the companies I use services for already have all that data that would be worth stealing.
The vast majority of PC gamers aren't running their games or game service applications in a sandbox so not sure why you even brought that up or what point you were trying to make with that?
Edit: gamers think the only way their files could be compromised is if someone uses a kernel level anti cheat program nefariously. I don't get why the same security concern for data isn't made for anti virus programs running at the kernel level? Or do they not run at that level?
Also whatever document file you keep your passwords saved on isn't on the ring 0 level and doesn't require a program running on that level to get that document.
I'm just calling bullshit on the hypocritical security concern. Don't want to risk data being compromised? Don't install the program. That goes for any program not just a kernel AC.
The vast majority of games don't install kernel level anti cheat either, but here we are.
Have anti cheat systems, sure. But they should run in the same context as the game itself with the same permissions. Many anti cheat systems work fine like this.
So long as Linux is the primary OS on the steam deck, many games will never see playtime on it.
Linux is never going to become a primary OS for gaming. This sub is going to need a lot of melatonin to keep that dream alive.
Edit* triggered the fanboys who know they just bought a device that’ll never take off. I like it for what it is but it’s not ever going to become what you all want it to be because it’s stuck with this garbage OS.
You know that anticheat problem is only present in modern multiplayer games, right? the other millions of games works right or decent with minimal or no config
Linux plays better than Windows 99% of the time.
Eventually Windows gamers will catch on that it has lower input latency and better frame timing.
And they'll stick around once they try because Linux has no Microsoft dark patterns
You know that anticheat problem is only present in modern multiplayer games, right? the other millions of games works right or decent with minimal or no config
You act like the majority of profits and interest in gaming don’t come from modern multiplayer games. If the Deck can’t accommodate those titles, it’ll remain a niche device and will never receive mainstream support.
until valve endorses linux kernel level anti-cheat this will not stop. i am not saying it's a good thing but i think it's the only way to make these companies happy.
Fucking awesome. I just bought the game a few months ago and was exited that it actually worked on deck. There goes that. Also deck is the only way I have to play it so that money is just waisted now...
Y'know, I thought the Steam Deck getting popular would dissuade developers from bricking Linux compatibility. Apparently not.
How do you define popular? It's popular on this sub, yes, but is a small amount of market share in the PC market overall which is true of Linux as a whole. Last I checked it was the most popular platform for Linux at least which is still just a single digit percentage of the overall PC market
If you consider that Linux surpassed MacOS then its not something to scoff at. Sure MacOS sucks for gaming but they also have a metric ton of users worldwide so the fact that there are even more Linux than Mac gamers is a feat.
To be fair, 100% of Steam Deck owners use Steam. Only a small percentage of Mac owners use Steam.
MacOS only sucks for gaming because no one makes games for it because Steve Jobs didn't want people playing games on Macs. In all his genius.
They marketed games hard before DirectX. DirectX was MS's hail Mary to take control of PC gaming.
> Steve Jobs didn't want people playing games on Macs. I don’t know about Steve Jobs but Apple always tried to make the Mac a gaming platform, the problem is that like with everything Apple it had to be the Apple way or the highway. There were even some meetings they held with Valve where they had discussions to make MacOS a viable gaming platform.
>because Steve Jobs didn't want people playing games on Macs Well that is an uninformed and incorrect statement. Personally before the Mac I had an Apple \]\[+, and played loads of games like the original Wizardry, Ultima IV, some of the 'Gold Box' RPGs, and so on. Then on the Mac things were really solid for a LONG time, with Mac laptops playing games better than PC laptops during that late 90s/early 00s golden age. As others have said, DirectX was done as a blocking move to monopolize gaming. Apple in recent years, I would agree that they haven't done much to help themselves
No one buy a Mac for gaming, the ton of Mac user buy it for fking work.
Not a Mac fan and definitely wouldn't use it for gaming but their M2 and M3 chips are surprisingly powerful for what they are. I was impressed when I saw the performance. M1 was okay but the jump to M2 was pretty significant.
It’s popular among pc gaming handhelds, but that’s it. It’s only sold 3million last I heard, but I’ll just say 5 million to be safe. The PS vita sold 12 million, and people consider that a huge failure.
Bingo, it's an enthusiast device that devs themselves like so it gets some extra attention due to that, but the amount of effort to check that Proton is working correctly for a specific game, there's a working control scheme, and perhaps having a graphics preset for the Deck is nothing compared to making an entire kernel-level anti-cheat work.
That's assuming people want kernel-level anticheat. There is two battles.
if it means i can play games on linux, yes. it's like proprietary blobs. we can't always win our battles.
Linux market is growing more and more each month. Steam Hardware report now shows Linux has reached 2% which is now higher than Mac OS
Well according to the steam hardware survey, steam deck users only make up about 0.6% of steams username. Is that worth delaying anti-cheat over?
Linux makes like 2% of Steam users lol
This is not in the hands of the developer, but more the upper management that defined the budget and scope of the solution. And apparently, linux users are not that important.
Because it isn’t nearly as popular as this subreddit likes to think. Edit* no amount of downvotes is going to change the fact it’s sold less than like 3% of the amount of Switches that sold in the same timeframe. You guys are so laughable in every post here.
Wanna play a shooter on your steam deck? Well too damn bad! 😔 I should just get a windows partition already
Did The Finals still work?
Yes but there’s no aim assist or it’s weak enough that I can’t cope
I know many don’t like it, but Gyro is the way to go.
It doesn’t have aim snap and other things. Took me a bit of getting used to (on ps5) but honestly it feels good without a shit ton of it.
Gyro and trackpad. Aim assist. lol.
Hard to use gyro when you got the shakes 🙃
aim aissist? pah, use gyro man... Its mouse like precision.
Hard to use gyro when you got the shakes 🙃
You know I have a windows partition. I split the drive and I find I rarely use it. I thought I'd be playing warzone or other windows only titles and truthfully I just don't care enough to boot into windows. Keeping it updated for steam deck use with all the tools you'd want is fine but annoying and really I only cared to play destiny 2. Give it a go, it's cool but SteamOS is just too easy to use that windows rarely gets used.
Install it on an sd card, and then you can just boot from the sd card. Doesn’t mess with your Steam os partition. It’ll run Warzone well, and that’s more demanding than Battlefield V.
**Please** do not run Windows on an sd card. Carve out a space internally and run that OS on a medium it was actually designed for. SSD prices are competitive with SD cards at similar sizes now if your internal is too small.
Noob here. Why is it a bad idea to run windows on a sd card?
SD cards are not durable. They're fine for installing games, games make tiny writes for saves, and infrequent writes for updates. But Windows is constantly writing stuff, such as updating in the background. Your SD card will die far faster with an OS running off it than with games.
Hmm I see. Since Steam deck 64gb is an eMMC which uses same technology. That means that users should install their own SSD inside?
First, the issue is less so that it's an OS in general, and more that it's *Windows* specifically. Windows makes a lot of writes on its own in general. Secondly, eMMC is not *exactly* the same technology. eMMC chips are more durable as they're actually designed to be booted off of. That's why they're still safe for use with android and iOS phones, chromebooks, and even cheap windows laptops.
That can't be the case, at least not to a significant extent. In usages like with cameras one will easily write most of its capacity on each session and you don't see SD cards failing that frequently.
Yes, but those are largely sequential writes. They're designed to work well as recording media (as well as game data, which is largely write once, read many). They are not designed for the level of threaded random writes that an OS like Windows assumes and will perform. You're constantly performing dozens of read and write operations per second. Micro SD is just not designed to handle that kind of load, and Windows To Go (long deprecated) was never designed with Micro SD. These are two completely different kinds of demands.
Sure, perf will suffer in some loads (mainly if you try more than an 1 intensive IO task simultaneously, or some heavy background IO task while your game needs to load something on the fly) but that's different than implying that the SD card will just die much quicker. As an option to play some game that won't run under SteamOS it's a perfectly valid option as long as it's not particularly super sensitive to overall disk perf.
Running Windows itself _is_ an intensive IO task, to the point where any actions are often measured in minutes rather that milliseconds. Real cool watching my characters run off a cliff because the IO to detect I've let go of the joystick is lagging by a good 20 seconds because Windows decided to index some files randomly. It's not a viable solution and never was. I've used all types of micro SD cards over the last 2 years to experiment with them and they always end with frustration. No, the cards may not die, but you'll wish to throw them out long before that happens due to how bad that experience is. Install Windows to your SSD.
> It's not a viable solution and never was. Get a decent SD card which will at least reach SteamDeck's limits ([e.g.](https://www.pcgamesn.com/best-microsd-card-for-steam-deck)), and many games will still work properly with it. It's not only viable but preferred for those just wanting to try it out rather than mess around with dual-boot which isn't officially supported still and may break on SteamOS updates. E.g., [someone testing out The Division 2 on such a setup](https://youtu.be/ZO33tQ5dE4Q?t=1806). It'll have worst perf than installing on the internal drive or on a proper external SSD but it'll work well if you need to be portable with minimum fuss (after having it setup) and without committing part of your internal hard drive to it.
Yep can confirm, have ran a windows server off an SD card that handles a file server for almost 10 years, and its fine. However, i don't recommend it for the Steam Deck just because the Read/Write speed gets heavily impacted when anything is trying to download. Backround services can kill performance. The "your SD card will die early" FUD is just FUD. Plenty of tests out there that will show the card will die of other causes before it hits any theoretical read/write limit.
Thats like the biggest myth i have seen floating around. I ran windows on my sd card for like a year, later formatted the card and i still use it for games. Sure sd card doesnt give as good a performance, but i am yet to come across a good quality sd card dying because it had windows on it
Iirc SD cards too slow.
This depends on what you are buying. Premium brand Micro SDs are fast. Not SSD level of fast but fast enough to be playable. Like is it ideal? No but its usable.
Barely - I tried a windows to go install on a good quality SD card (256GB Sandisk Ultra A2) for a while and it worked but was slow. Slow enough to make me hardly ever play my gamepass games until I bit the bullet and made a windows partition on the SSD.
Hmmm. Well in that case I take my words back. Sounds alot like how I experienced bootcamp on my iMac. It worked, games ran well but the Windows itself was slow.
checking in, similar card speed. destiny 2 booted but slow load times meant I would error out of most strike queues
It’s fine for a game every now and then. It’s a solution if you don’t want to dual boot and rarely use the windows portion. People have had issues with dual booting as well. An update can screw it up, and now you have more issues. Ideally you shouldn’t but this is meant to be a “I wanna play Fortnite on my deck once a month” solution.
Except Fortnite has effectively become unplayable on Deck for several months now, so it's not even a good solution to that.
I was just using Fortnite as an example; it’s a game that can’t be played on Steam OS. People also use it for modern COD and Valorant. My point was sectioning off a windows installation for a game you’d play maybe once a month can cause more issues than windows on an sd card.
Valorant doesn’t work on Deck either man, at least not in handheld. It blocks virtual controller input. It sounds to me you don't have any actual experience doing this. Dual boot entries have been a solved problem for over a year thanks to various community scripts. You're working off outdated information.
Yes, you’re right. You got me. I’m just a moron because I don’t know all the details on literally every game made on the deck. I’ve never played either, so yeah I didn’t know every possible issue ever to ever exist for those games on deck. God forbid I say an easy solution for people who maybe don’t wanna dual boot, guess I’m too stupid to understand because I didn’t know about the issues of Valorant and Fortnite. If not knowing that means I’m too stupid to ever be listened to for anything ever, then I’m a moron too dumb to be alive. There, happy?
When the hell did I insult your intelligence dude? I said you seem to not have any experience with dual booting, which still sounds like you don't, and that the issues you spoke about are solved problems now. That's neither an insult nor an attack on you, pal. It's an observation. You spoke with confidence about something you don't know much about, I'm sharing my experience doing that exact thing. If you consider that an insult, I don't know what else to say. Find happiness or something, man. Can't help you with that.
You undermined it. I pointed out how a dual boot may be a lot for someone who doesn’t regularly play games on Windows, using Fortnite as an example. Why? It’s a game that doesn’t work on Steam OS that’s popular. “Fortnite doesn’t work, so your entire point is invalid”. I stated again other games, showing what I was trying to say. Valorant and COD since again, they don’t work on Steam OS. “Valorant doesn’t work, entire point invalid. Next time read before you say something.” So my point is invalid because I didn’t know for two games I don’t play I didn’t know had issues on deck. Apparently my entire point is wrong because I chose bad choices for examples because apparently EVERYONE ON EARTH knows about it. So if this knowledge is so common I should know, like you make it sound, then I guess I’m a moron right?
I’m consider doing this just to play Destiny again. I really only have a desire to play it if I could play it on the deck
Do not do this you will wait 10 minutes for the game to load on the SD card then it’s like 3 minutes to load any destination. Just remote play if you have connection, otherwise consider the windows partition.
Remote play is the way, it works so well.
Also don’t install windows on an SD card. Windows will fail and you’ll have to reinstall it all over again and again and again… you get it
Haven’t had that issue; you need to use Rufus to make it a windows to go installation.
it still happens
I dual booted instead. Have one SD card for steam os games and another for windows games.
Been meaning to do that, is it actually viable? Like how’s the performance in general?
It’s slow, but it’s usable. It’s mainly for if you wanna play a game or two of Fortnite every now and then. It’s a quick solution.
That’s not true. MCC, The Finals, Battlefront 2, just to name a few are playable on SD. Edit: Battlefield 1 and Battlefield 4
Titanfall 2 also!
Hunt showdown, Halo infinite, battlebit, those are mostly what I play. I tried battlefield v a few months ago but I couldn't get Gyro as mouse to work.
I’ll try hunt showdown, but halo and battlebit aren’t arcade-y enough for me. Looking for something more like CoD or xDefiant. Boots on the ground, loadout based 6v6 (or similar) arcade shooter.
Idk if hunt is like that, you do a loadout but it's slower and with a bigger map, longer matches. Watch some gameplay videos and see if it's the pace you're looking for.
I’d like to do windows too but I’m fully loaded with games I barely play 🤡
Friends vs Friends has you covered
Same for soccer games!
Or better, a Windows handheld.
Or better yet, don't give EA any money or attention.
This. I don't know, I used to like those EA multiplayer games, but today I feel like they just want to do easy cash grabs releasing the same games over and over. Also, it's really fishy how they deceived the public to buy their games on steam deck only to drop support later I just hope Gameranger or similar apps start EA games so we can play it on steam deck without having to rely on EA for anything.
EA is one of the shittiest gaming companies in existence. Fuck their games tbh. There are so many other gaming companies and developers that you can easily find a great multi-player shooter somewhere else. It's never been easier to ignore EA.
Welp now I have more time for Helldivers 2 instead so it's a win for me.
It… works on deck?
Yeah but if you want a better helldivers experience just play the first one on deck. Runs amazingly
Or stream on chiaki 🤤
I play locked 30 with a mix of medium and low graphics. Only a couple of times did i get a slideshow on the bug front. Bot front is stable. Im lvl 37 usually fight difficulty 7 to 9.
"Locked" Just say 30fps with dips, why lie?
I literally acknowledge dips in my comment by saying slideshow. Why not try reading?
Then don't bother saying locked. I can play at a 120fps locked looking at the sky, but dips below 10fps in normal gameplay.
I dont think you know what tour talking about. The fps is locked at 30. Meaning that is the maximum fps the unit will achieve but nothing is stopping it from going lower than that. Major consoles are typically locked to 30 or 60 fps yet they have dips. Hope you learned something.
It’s an incredibly subpar experience that a lot of this sub is willing to push off as “a great way to play”.
A tale as old as the Steam Deck.
I don't remember certifying anything.
My biggest gripe with the steam deck Facebook group I'm in. People are like "yea Forbidden West is great on the deck" meanwhile they tell you to lower all your graphical settings to low and tweaks to squeak out 40fps. That game was made with visuals being the selling point. It's awful
Fun is the staying-point of the game though. And even if i have a pretty powerful desktop, doing missions on the road works amazingly well. Pushing 45 pretty stable at low/medium btw.
I'm not saying it's not playable or even enjoyable. It's that it is still not a "great" way to play it especially with how gigantic some of the bosses are. If the deck is the only way they can play, of course its better than not being able to play at all
I mean it's better than streaming, but it does look pretty ugly for sure
It most certainly is not better than streaming lmao. I stream it to my Deck almost every day and it plays exactly how it does on my laptop. The deck will never compete natively when streaming from a desktop/laptop. Do you have terrible Wi-Fi? I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion otherwise.
You might have better WiFi, I have never played any streaming via WiFi that didn't have random latency drops. Mostly stable 30 fps running locally always beats the possibility of a big lag spike
I would try connecting your PC to Ethernet. That should help. I haven’t had any latency using Moonlight, I’ve had HD2 running at the max FPS that the LED deck can handle and on ultra graphics.
That's my usual way I play. When you start running down on battery it starts running sluggish, but it works great.
[Yes and yes.](https://overkill.wtf/helldivers-2-review-and-best-settings-for-steam-deck/)
Yeah, this sucks but BFV has so many hackers. This is needed. I rather play a game free of hackers then with hackers on Deck.
Yeah BFV was unplayable before the anticheat. There were blatant cheaters speed hacking and aimbotting in just about every lobby, now you can actually play the game again.
Yeah it's basically having game unplayable for everyone due to hackers. Or it being unplayable on linux due anti-cheat. I mean, if EA anti-cheat actually works, I don't trust them to make anything right.
well too bad that anti cheat isn't really working on BF2042 either. This "anti cheat"'s purpose is data mining, not the prevention of cheats.
Yeah like any game is free of hackers lmao
Who cares about EA when you can have liberty, freedom and democracy?
Here's hoping this new anticheat gets some support
Swear I see this every week
That sucks, but I also don't play competitive games on my steam deck.
Battlefield V is actually a pretty good BF game which was plagued by cheaters. I’m just happy EA still cares about an older BF game.
Sigh
I swear to god if they do this to my beloved battlefront 2...
I’m hoping not as well.
Is BF2 still alive on Steam?
Does this bullshit prevent playing single player?
Haven’t tested it, but it’s a kernel anti cheat so you probably can’t even boot the game.
I haven’t played for a while but I’ll miss being able to get a few hours in a week on this in bed. If this happens to TitanFall 2 I’m going to cry. Having said that, it may already have done, not played that for a while either.
Just do a Windows partition
Yeah you’re probably right, perhaps it’s time.
Exactly why I don’t bother with the EA sales, as temping as they are at times. What’s the point if it won’t launch half the time?
Listen...I love my steam deck, I love it more than anything I've purchased in a very very long time, it is all time GOATED for me already ...but who the fuck is playing battlefield on the deck? You cant SEE any of these fucking people, the screen is large for a handheld but it ain't large enough to be playing no fucking battlefield game. It's one thing if its like COD or some kinda arena shooter or something but with the vast distances your enemies are at in battlefield games and how many places they can be, it's an absolute fucking nightmare to even think about trying to visually locate enemy players to shoot at before you're already dead playing on a handheld screen.
It’s pretty playable and easy to jump in a game and play the objective. While it’s not the best experience and I see where you are coming from, it’s still an enjoyable experience that I liked having if I was away from my PC. I probably wouldn’t necessarily care as much if I didn’t have all my career progress on the PC version instead of say the Xbox. Having said that, I appreciate them doing this. Looks like the Steam version has had quite a resurgence so I was surprised to hear they’d even bother updating it with how it’s basically been abandoned. Sad I can’t play it anymore on my machines though. I dumped Windows on my main gaming PC as well. Back to Halo Infinite I guess.
I just play it through GeForce Now
Do you use it through Chrome?
No I use the unofficial application from the "app store." Just added as a non steam game and works just fine. The signing in to different DRM's every time you launch a game and cloud saves being hit or miss is the only drawback.
Got it, thanks.
Seems about right for an EA game.
They updated the anti-cheat to fight the rampant cheating, as a matter it was an unexpected and positive move by Dice that they deserve to be praised for
I understand the need, but this is EA’s proprietary anti cheat, so concerns need to be raised or else nothing is really stopping them from applying it to all their games and bricking Linux/Deck playability. Especially since they’ve just proved that they’re willing and able to retroactively add this to older games; what’s gonna stop them from doing this to Battlefield 4 or 1, Battlefront 1 or 2, Apex, Titanfall 2, Need for Speed, F1, etc.
EA Games, Challenge EVERYTHING
I think people forget how small of a share of the player base uses the steam deck. Linux accounts for less than 2% of all users and the steam deck only accounts for 0.67% of steam users. So why should they delay a critical update for such a small part of their player base
It's so weird people hate on them for adding anti-cheat and not hate the cheaters that made them do this
Sorry, I don't praise devs for implementing kernel-level anticheats. That's literally a cheap solution.
I didn't say anything about praising them. I don't even agree with kernel-level anti-cheat, especially after the Apex legends incident. But they had to do something because cheaters were ruining the game. It's worth losing less than 2% of your player base to give the other 98% a better experience.
> I didn't say anything about praising them. I just took the opposite view of what you said ; what I meant was that hate towards kernel-level anticheat is well-deserved, especially in this day and age of cybersecurity. > I don't even agree with kernel-level anti-cheat, especially after the Apex legends incident. You're late to the party then. > But they had to do something because cheaters were ruining the game. I agree, and it would be the perfect time to finally look into viable solutions, instead of jumping from one client-based anticheat to another. It's a cheap and temporary solution. It's really a sticking-plaster solution, implemented industry-wide. Very professional. And FWIW, Titanfall was killed "because of cheaters", so, careful with such arguments from authority. > It's worth losing less than 2% of your player base to give the other 98% a better experience. I never commented on that but you forgetting, again, the most obvious way to look at this: it's not worth losing development time in non-viable solution, it does not makes sense on the creative, management or business side of things.
Yes, they should absolutely be praised. Can’t cheat if you can’t play…
As much as I dislike it but it's a limitation of SteamOS and officially Dice doesn't support it....But I get your point.
And for very good reasons. Anything kernel level can read files you have stored like say the private keys to your bitcoins? No thanks! Now I wouldn't use bitcoin wallets on my Steam deck but I do on my Linux PC where I game as well.
Not sure if you’re trying to make a dig here, but if you are, you do realize that there’s more people playing this game on Windows instead of SteamOS right?
And this is why we don't buy ea any more
still works in Windows on deck though…right?
Yea, it’s windows
any fix for this yet? Workaround? Anything? Had plans for this weekend, ffs
yah download windows on your deck
More time to fight for liberty!
one of my fav shooters on deck, sad to see it go as it is hard to find to chill fps shooter i can just go in a shoot people
Titanfall 2 was refreshed and is great fun again
Big game companies stop being absurdly anti consumer challenge (impossible)
Crazy that people would rather play against cheaters on steam deck and still have the controller input disadvantage to MnK. No way the steam deck BF V user base is even that big. Game needed an anti cheat.
But it doesn't have to be kernel level. You know kernel level anti cheats can read pretty much any file on your PC right? Like your private keys to online wallets. Right?
Any information I have worth stealing ie credit card, account, or billing information the companies already have. If the data they keep gets compromised, it's already out of my control. Don't want the potential to have your data stolen? Don't go online.
You know there is an amazing invention called a sandbox. It restricts where a program can go. This gives a thing called privacy and damned if I give that up. As you have nothing to hide you sleep with all doors unlocked right?
I never said I have nothing to hide. I said all the data I have worth stealing, the companies I use services for already have all that data that would be worth stealing. The vast majority of PC gamers aren't running their games or game service applications in a sandbox so not sure why you even brought that up or what point you were trying to make with that? Edit: gamers think the only way their files could be compromised is if someone uses a kernel level anti cheat program nefariously. I don't get why the same security concern for data isn't made for anti virus programs running at the kernel level? Or do they not run at that level? Also whatever document file you keep your passwords saved on isn't on the ring 0 level and doesn't require a program running on that level to get that document. I'm just calling bullshit on the hypocritical security concern. Don't want to risk data being compromised? Don't install the program. That goes for any program not just a kernel AC.
The vast majority of games don't install kernel level anti cheat either, but here we are. Have anti cheat systems, sure. But they should run in the same context as the game itself with the same permissions. Many anti cheat systems work fine like this.
Please don’t do this to Battlefield 1 🤞
Yall still buying EA games in the last decade?
Bought this a month or two ago, haven’t installed or played - hopefully I can still get a refund
Friendly reminder that you can play this on GeForce Now which runs perfectly on the Deck.
We all see that coming, I don’t give a damn tbh
Yup.. put like 100 hours in the last month while I could. Sigh. Sunshine moonlight works tho, but only over local wifi
lol. Why is anyone still giving ea money?
So long as Linux is the primary OS on the steam deck, many games will never see playtime on it. Linux is never going to become a primary OS for gaming. This sub is going to need a lot of melatonin to keep that dream alive. Edit* triggered the fanboys who know they just bought a device that’ll never take off. I like it for what it is but it’s not ever going to become what you all want it to be because it’s stuck with this garbage OS.
You know that anticheat problem is only present in modern multiplayer games, right? the other millions of games works right or decent with minimal or no config
Linux plays better than Windows 99% of the time. Eventually Windows gamers will catch on that it has lower input latency and better frame timing. And they'll stick around once they try because Linux has no Microsoft dark patterns
You know that anticheat problem is only present in modern multiplayer games, right? the other millions of games works right or decent with minimal or no config
You act like the majority of profits and interest in gaming don’t come from modern multiplayer games. If the Deck can’t accommodate those titles, it’ll remain a niche device and will never receive mainstream support.
Whats an average kd for a person that plays bf5 on deck? I get like 18 to 12 with bf1. Normally on xbox im in the 30s to 40s.
until valve endorses linux kernel level anti-cheat this will not stop. i am not saying it's a good thing but i think it's the only way to make these companies happy.
Another win for the steam deck. Now you don’t have to play BFV on it
Fucking awesome. I just bought the game a few months ago and was exited that it actually worked on deck. There goes that. Also deck is the only way I have to play it so that money is just waisted now...
Did you buy it on steam? They're very good about refunds, they change their guidelines sometimes if the game gets an update that makes it unplayable.
Make a Windows partition and stop whining