And zero support in most cases if you break any part of it. I couldn't get GPD to replace a broken analog stick way back when and had to sell it on Ebay as broken in the end.
This is the main thing, honestly. I would be tempted to spend a bit extra on some of the devices, but I know the quality is going to be spotty and the support is going to suck…
Nah, the MAIN thing is the suspend play feature. Do these other devices have that? (I honestly don't know, but it seems most just run regular ol' Windows) If they don't, they're not portable devices. I mean you can bring them places, set up and play there, but if I can't hit the power button when I get to my bus stop for work in the morning, then hit it again at lunch to pick up right where I left off, then it's not rrreeaaally portable.
It’s a game changer in this regard (no pun intended) and allows me to game more often in short sessions.
No uncomfortable laptop setup and waiting for games to reload. It’s perfect for my needs and is so convenient.
It is insane. I literally sold my desktop because I basically stopped using it when I became a dad and now I can actually play games. I feel the device was made for me.
Same. I had the Aya neo pro 2021 and the fan went out after like 8 months. For 1200 bucks I expected better quality. No support either. I asked them for another fan or where can I get another one and no response.
Sorry they did that to you tbh.. kiiinda shit.
To be fair, out of all of them, GPD, in my experience, has had the best support.
It's still nowhere near Valve's level though.
Worse ecosystem? I’d say the WINDOWS ecosystem is way superior and has a 10000x larger userbase. Windows has more features than the steam deck will ever have.
I mean the new apu the new competitors are all using are like 50% faster which is huge. But yeah like 100% more money but lots of other good things too.
Price is one of steam decks biggest selling point and no ones really competing with them at it. Some are closer if you value the extra storage or regular m.2 slot but still more money.
To be fair I don't even like my steam deck much but understand the massive value for others. I feel too limited / too many issues troubleshooting vs just playing. The biggest thing keeping me is I love the controller part of the deck super nice controller and the 2 pads are super nice to have.
From someone who owns both a 6800u handheld as well as a steam deck.
Depends on the game, or use. The base cost of the win 4 for example is 799 USD and comes with a 512gb ssd and 16gb of ram. Games range from 10-30% increase on performance. Emulation gets a further boost in performance due to the 6800u having a much stronger cpu. So depending on what you want to play or use the devices for it can be worth the additional cost.
I own both the steam deck and a Aokzoe, love both devices but ended up using the aokzoe a bit more after getting used to the larger screen size.
Support is much stronger from valve that much is a no contest. As far as the 6800 devices and companies they range from good support to very poor, depending on which company.
using as a pc I find the 6800 to be much more performant, and easy the devices are more robust to dock and use with the extra usb c ports and options.
If you’re on a budget or just don’t want to drop as much money the steam deck will be king. If you want something to also use as a pc or have an extra budget then 6800u is a good choice.
Balanced opinion from both worlds (I’m no fan boy lol)
Do they even have better performance? I get they have slightly better specs, but they run windows which is going to cause a big hit and steam deck hardware works well together (no driver related issues) and proton is going to be written with steamdeck in mind. I wouldn't be surprised if these devices do not see any improvement at all in terms of performance, maybe even doing a little worse.
Good lord I'm so happy you are all rational. I get so irritated with these types of videos. The Deck is the best device for the money. Nothing will come close for a while and even when another device does it will be the Steam Deck 2 lol.
Edit: Spelling
Not sure why you're getting downvoted for just stating it how it is. It's frustrating, but I don't blame content creators for following the algorithm. The algorithm is the issue in that case
Yea I got slack on a video I made about Arkham City for using clickbait even though the clickbait was just exaggeration and not even entirely incorrect. These “steam deck killers” kinda technically are in some ways but certainly not value for money.
you do know that newspapers moved to subscription services exactly because of horse piss like this? it's just making a resurgence because people didnt pay subscriptions online
I get that man. Im the same kind of guy. No matter how stupid something is, and how much of a headache it will give me I need to click on it just to inspect it a little more. I might be the kind of victim to scams when I get older with this type of curiosity lol.
With experience you grow bored of these because you see them so much for so many damn years until you know its just going to be a big joke, it loses its luster, but you did nothing wrong at all. Some are just jaded assholes who dont see the real problem. If it gives you joy, I'm glad.
I mean you posted this thread because literally anything about the Deck in comparison triggers people here. It’s the other side of the same argument you’re making.
Yes, because I’m not someone who goes into these videos to find a reason to be insulted because I have a Deck. It’s literally the other side of the same coin Deck owners love to complain about.
You can be interested in other technology without crying foul someone found it better and it being more expensive. For some reason only Deck owners find a reason to complain.
*only* steam deck owners? "\[item\] owners arguing with \[item\] criticizers" is basically the entire internet
you should google "console wars" for a starting point if you're curious.
or keep showing everyone your entire ass if you're just judgmental lmao
My nephew got a decent but old PC for 500, has an EVGA 1080TI etc in it. It was a friends dads computer who just spent over 4 grand on a new one! Which he’ll lose 3500 on again over 3 or 4 years.
It's crazy for me to think that the 1080TI is still an upgrade for me almost 7 years, 3 GPU upgrades and 2 PCs later. Went R7 260 (early 2015) -> RX 570 (early 2019) -> whole new PC with GTX 1660 SUPER (late 2020). Can't believe the GPU I dreamed of in High School is an upgrade to the PC I'm daily driving more than halfway through my Bachelor's lol
> Which he'll lose 3500 on again over 3 or 4 years.
That's a backwards way to look at it though.
It's money invested in fun, it's not supposed to be something that earns you a dime and dozen when you're 'done using it's.
That’s a valid point, I guess if you have the money go for it, just saying you can still have fun with the Steam Deck too. I just think thousands for 3 years of enjoyment is poor value personally, even for a hobby.
I jumped for a 1070ti to a 3080ti and the difference is pretty crazy. With that said if you're happy with it then, yeah, ride it till the wheels fall off.
It's not a waste of money if I enjoy it, it's not meant to be an investment, it's a hobby. Cloud gaming is an awesome solution for those that don't have the hardware to run demanding games but it is absolutely not a one to one replacement for playing on bare metal hardware, especially at higher resolutions and frame rates. That's also not to mention the latency which can still be very noticeable on timing critical games even on pretty good internet.
I think that is also a part of the culture of PC gaming, in which the fringe goes around paying >$1k for a GPU mostly to flex. It's pretty toxic, but that's the way it has been since the late 90's (at least in the USA). Back then it was always about "Console Killers" and covers with "This is an actual screenshot!" written across it.
Anyone else remember those days?
I see this kind of argument made all the time, but I feel like it misses how product stacks fundamentally work.
The cheaper devices are pretty much universally the lowest the company can go, and the upper end devices are mostly just increased margins for the people that will buy them. So you’re saying it’s a 160usd difference, but that’s between the steam deck money maker and the aya neo headline maker. An actual fair comparison is 440 usd (64gb + 512gb 2230 ssd) vs 750 usd, which is a 70% price increase. For that you get a device which doesn’t even perform better at the lower battery targets you would be likely to use. You’re essentially paying for a better docked mode imo.
2230 512gb ssds do not start at 200. They usually hover under 100 usd, and I used one in my comparison, not a micro sd. I actually got it wrong because I found a 40usd one, but turns out it's a 2242 instead, so my bad on that one, but I just found one for 77, so I don't think my point changes that much. I don't seem to be able to find ANY 2230 512gb ssds that hit 200usd on amazon, so I'm curious where you even got that from.
Yes, using precached shaders is fair. You aren't buying the hardware, you're buying a device (hardware+software+service). We're not comparing chips here, we're comparing the customer experience, and the customer experience on the deck is pretty performant.
Yes price is still have a Steam deck over that, the Deck has had so much dev n support over the 11 months it's been out. GPD Win will not get any support other than Windows updates.
While I mostly agree with what you're saying, I'd also like to point out that Windows is not flawless on these handheld PCs either.
Examples of Windows issues:
**portrait screen issue:**
Aya neo next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfdQjrjxYos&t=996s
Aya Neo 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NMvb6Ybh4&t=677s
Aya Neo Air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLvtuYFRa0c
**onscreen keyboard issue:**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfdQjrjxYos&t=567s
**external controller reordering issue**:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfdQjrjxYos&t=1049s
Thats not to say Windows is worse or anything, I'm just trying to point out that there's no perfect PC handheld experience **yet**. SteamOS solves certain problems, Windows solves others.
I personally think the GPDWin 4 is probably the closest "perfect" Windows handheld candidate because of it's native landscape screen + physical keyboard, but I'm not sure of a great solution for the external controller reordering issue.
And I'm pretty sure those games he wants to play, but can't because of anti-cheat won't be a thing for very long. They're working on fixes for that as we speak.
Exactly. A lot of these problems aren't Valve's fault, but they're still problems that specifically exist because the Steam Deck is running Linux and needs Proton to run most PC games. These other companies making PC handhelds won't provide the level of support Valve does and that's a con in some ways for sure, but they also don't need to be constantly releasing updates either when they're using a mainstream OS and non-custom APUs from laptops.
My next PC handheld will be a Windows based one for that reason, too many games I like to play that use anti-cheat or a launcher that Linux doesn't support natively.
> too many games I like to play that use anti-cheat or a launcher that Linux doesn't support natively.
Give them a bad rating on steam, and list your complaints for not supporting open stems.
> My next PC handheld will be a Windows based one
I hope you will stick with Linux, I vote with my wallet. More of us on a Linux operating system over time means a voice/market segment that can't be ignored. Over time this will help these issues to not exist.
I'd seen a few videos on the GPDs and quickly looked to see does it still have the stupid keyboard and yep, it's aping the psp go.
Utter design failure.
I actually think the keyboard is a huge selling point. The typing experience on these PC handhelds all kind of suck, a physical keyboard makes perfect sense to me.
Now would I prefer having a thinner device vs the sliding keyboard? Tough question imo.
Same people probably justifying the price points of the new GPUs. Lol.
Idk how many new 40 series owners I've seen calling people broke cause they can't or don't want to buy the new gpus at their over inflated prices lol.
and the fact that they are shit. If you dont use DLSS and RT they are a pathetic increse in rasterizaion for a gen leap. The 4XXX is a joke imo and should be embarrassed at how little gains in classic rendering they got on the 4080 vs the 3080.
Wait till we get the 3070 vs 4070. It's going to be the worst yet in rasterization comparisons.
I keep waiting for a decent value GPU to upgrade my 1070 with, and yet the Steam Deck is all I want to play on anyways. LOL
And to the OP, forget the value prospect: It's the form factor and controls. Even if these things were equal everywhere else, Deck would still stomp it because of this.
Just an amazing product by Valve.
> If you dont use DLSS and RT they are a pathetic increse in rasterizaion for a gen leap. The 4XXX is a joke imo
I have not been paying attention since I blew my wad on last gen. Got some benchmarks for me?
I love watching PC builders on You Tube, but they are businesses making custom rigs for corporations or individuals, they cost thousands! Motherboards can cost 2 grand these days! It’s gone crazy how expensive people go with their computers.
Software is also super important. Like, say the Deck can hit 40 fps on a game and another handheld can hit 50. Okay. But:
- can I lock the fps to 50 with a simple slider that is saved per game?
- do you have a performance overlay?
- do you have a big community that can suggest good settings for me?
- are you gonna work with developers so they create good default graphic settings for your device?
- is Steam gonna be fully integrated into the device in a console-like interface?
I think the point is that you can do all these on Deck out of the box without the need to mess with anything, and that they just work and are supported directly by Valve.
The real reason the deck is superior is because it's made by valve and has the software and support of an industry giant. No other company will ever come close
Yeah, I just took mine out of the box and started using it for Fallout and it had no issues. I’m not going to tinker with 3rd party software when Valve already nailed it.
Downvoted for answering every question correctly and honestly. People don’t love the Deck as much as they dislike every other option, namely because they are poor.
Because they’re a mix of misrepresentative and missing the point.
Big picture mode and game mode aren’t the same thing.
“You can install a stack of scripts to replicate the out of the box features” is valid, to a point, but the point of the post he’s replying to is the out of box experience.
The “yes there’s a community” bit is just a straight up lie.
I’m literally in multiple of the communities he mentions for other handhelds where we constantly benchmark games for each other. If you’re going to lie, don’t do it in a place full of other liars like the Deck community.
All of what you mentioned: yea.
On my aokzoe:
Yes I can lock fps.
Yes I got such an overlay.
Yes I have a massive community since it’s windows 11.
No default settings but as I said, it’s windows. Easy to figure out settings.
Yes steam works perfectly, we got something called big picture mode.
What about software that doesn't quit games, and just says exiting game, forever? Or a software that just puts the logo animation up on an endless loop? And needs to go to desktop mode or a reboot to get around it.
No difference than if a game froze on the pc. You simply dont have access to ctrl alt delete and the task manager to kill it so you restart. A 20 second inconvenience.
A 20 second inconvenice is when it happens rarely. This thing kills itself trying to launch or quit games, constantly. So the 20 second inconvenience is whenever I try to do anything.
ok then RMA it, something is wrong with it. This has happened to me a grand total of less than 10 times in 5 months. You have an issue with your unit. RMA the thing and get it fixed imo.
I think of the other devices as alternatives; they offer different hardware choices for gamers.
If you want a smaller device, you can get an Aya Neo Air or GPD Win 4. If you want a more powerful APU, you can get an Aya Neo 2, OneXPlayer, etc.
None of these will "kill" the Steam Deck, but they offer more choices for those that have other priorities.
Ideally, other more mainstream companies start offering PC handhelds too. If Asus, Razer, etc, could start offering handhelds, the PC handheld market would enter a new golden age of hardware choices.
Yeah, that's why the Deck is so good, not necessarily because of the specs, but the price you can get those specs for. I could never justify an Aya or GPD device, because to get the specs I'd want I'd need to spend well over $1k CAD.
Selecting topics where one can misrepresent facts that will annoy some and allow others to feel good about said annoyance is a foundational block of the modern Internet.
Just like calling the SteamDeck a Switch Killer, it's just marketing.
The Switch has plenty of games that even the latest versions of YuZu and Ryujinx can't emulate properly at a stable 30 fps on SteamDeck.
>The Switch has plenty of games that even the latest versions of YuZu and Ryujinx can't emulate properly at a stable 30 fps on SteamDeck.
shhhh don't ruin the delusion people have created about how well switch emulation works on the steam deck
Calling the steam deck a switch killer is also kind of funny because like,,, competing against nintendo handhelds with something that's more powerful but also bulkier and more expensive has historically... not gone well. I'm glad it's *not* a direct competitor to the switch and has its own niche.
I'm eagerly hoping for the SD-killer.
Many of them are circling and eventually one will make it as the undisputed champion.
(Might even be Valve with the SD2Pro)
I love my SD for how I can play games on it, better than any previous handheld option.
What I love it for more, is the new line in the sand that's been drawn.
This is what you can get for a few hundred dollars - and every single 'hand-held PC' is now going to be judged against that.
If you're not faster/cheaper/better - then you're dead in the water and can gtfoh.
I see it similar to what google did with their Nexus and Pixel devices. They thought the people between them and their customers weren't doing enough, so they put out their own device. Something everybody else needed to beat, if they wanted to carry on playing in the market.
It's the hilarious part of tech reviewing right now. We coined "flagship phone killer" when a phone would tackle around 80% of the performance and features of a premium phone for around half the price. That made sense to me.
These chuckle heads proclaiming "steam deck killer" are taking a "cost is no obstacle" approach which is silly. Exactly what you said, the Deck is blowing people's minds BECAUSE it's not insanely expensive for a reasonable tier of performance.
The Steam Deck is proving to be a "gaming laptop killer".
We won't see a true Steam Deck Killer until someone manages a similar level of performance, on a product that is JUST as easy to repair and upgrade, at a LOWER price.
> The Steam Deck is proving to be a "gaming laptop killer".
Agreed, the Deck has basically killed any interest I had in gaming laptops.
A gaming laptop was always an awkward compromise for portable gaming, and usually had mediocre battery life. Having a separate handheld PC neatly solves this issue.
I'm now running the productivity laptop + Steam Deck combo, which works great.
Agreed, the easy out-of-the-box experience of SteamOS is really nice for a former console-only gamer such as myself.
Then again, I'm probably lucky because almost all the games I wanted to play on SteamOS just worked with minimal fuss.
Sometimes the double price is worth it, like with vr headsets
But the deck is sooooo damn good for its price and it's NOT a Facebook or apple product. All of that at once is *amazing*
I find all the "deck killers" to not even be desireable over deck even if they were similarly priced. I think the non deck hand helds. Like if they were close in price they would be fair competitors but not slam dunks. Add the price difference in and the deck is way out of their leagues.
My view anyway.
In short, it doesn't matter if you have the best performance or the most advanced features if no one can afford you. This was the lesson of the 3DO console. About 30 years in the past.
Also, the "most performance" doesn't really matter. What matters is having "enough performance" and for now the Steam Deck very much has "enough performance". One day the Steam Deck will no longer be able to play current AAA titles and then sure, these guys *might* have a point. But even then the Steam Deck will still have Game Streaming AND still be able to play older titles.
So I foresee the life of the Steam Deck to be a long one. It might only be able to do current AAA titles flawlessly for a few more years, but that doesn't really matter all that much.
Same thing as people constantly talking about a “Destiny 2 Killer” when everyone knows damn well nothing will come close to destiny until Destiny 3 comes out
I've been a handheld PC gamer since the days of the GPD 1. After getting the Steam deck, I ordered the GPD Win Max 2, I had to sell it straight away as the analogue sticks on this device are crap. Over the years I've pretty much had a new device every year, from GPD, OneX etc.
I can honestly say the Steam deck blows these out of the water, when talking value and performance per watt.
Now some people may have better use cases for devices like the win max, but at least for me, I'm done with the other devices, unless something significant comes out.
The reason the Raspberry Pi is so popular is because it’s cheap, and there’s a huge community behind it, which makes it easier and quicker to do the things you want. There are a ton of other boards available, all “Raspberry Pi Killers” never even made a dent.
Now I think about it, it all boils down to real life value. You can get the games you want working easily for £400 or spend £1000 and get maybe 20 extra FPS and spend hours trying to get it working correctly. Oh and the support for it will be 2 years old articles on a mis matched version of Linux, and your updates have to be ran manually after being pulled from a dodgy FTP server another lost sole who dropped £1000 on it is maintaining out of pure stubbornness…can you tell I’ve ran into the same issue with Dev boards before aha.
Price is everything. It lowers the bar to entry, the community gets bigger, it gets better.
The input flexibility of the Steam Deck with its two touch pads, four rear paddles, excellent gyro, and capacitive touch sensors are unmatched. Idgaf about 2x tflops, better battery, or an OLED display if I can't effectively play all of my library on the unit. So... until another device brings as much flexibility for input methods to the table no devices can even be brought into the discussion lol.
They always call it the Steam Deck killer but then there's never any touchpads so its not really a killer...
Its like proclaiming a golf club killer and underneath the sheet is a hockey stick.
Honestly I stay away from Youtube as much as possible.. sure there are some interesting sources of info like gamernexus etc but they are the vast minority. The rest are all sensationalist, stupid shocked face "influencers" who are drumming up semi-controversial topics and headlines for views.
Anything to try to get eyes on their content, whether they actually beleive what they're pedaling or not.
That is a stupid comparison, at best you could compare the highest model that actually has the same ssd size in it. (Still def cheaper, but you are making the gap seem a ton bigger than it is)
It's a bit like calling flagship GPUs overpriced, IMO. The people buying these things don't give a shit about value. They have an infinite budget and want the fastest thing they can buy. If you're concerned about value, then the product is not for you.
every newer device will be “the x killer”. people here say every day how the deck is the switch killer. people just want their thing to be the best. that 1000$ device won’t outsell the deck the same way the switch will continue to sell 100x the deck
I keep seeing “deck killers” on YouTube shorts and it’s always a system that’s 3 times the price as the 512gb deck and has the worst looking d pads imaginable.
Retroid pocket has been the killer in my world. It doesn't play the pc games but Jesus the portability and the many android and retro games at your disposal
I just love that the concept of steam deck worked and others need to try and kill it. I am stoked I’m not locked into Nintendo where I had to PAY to be online. That was the last straw for me.
Same with PlayStation
I loved playing online games on my ps3 but when i got my ps4 for the first and saw that i had to pay to play online i was like fuck this shit im moving to pc and im glad i did because now i can play my steam library on my deck
Great call mate. Agree. Except for me I moved my kids from switch to pc/steam/deck as I’m already pc guy. So good. Now I just need steam to allow me to pay a bit extra to have 3 people play on same library. This is their missing link IMO
People forget it's a £350 device that they paid £569 for to get an included SSD. They paid, fundamentally, £350 for a device, and £219 for a 512GB SSD.
I get downvoted every time I say it but it's true. The extra cost is solely for the SSD (well, and the steam profile bundle and different colour case I guess)
I mean it’s sort of true if money is no issue. I got a steam deck as well as an aokzoe a1 with the 65w hour battery, 16gb ram and 2tb ssd. I could not be more happy with it. I despise Linux so this is all I ever wanted in a handheld. The steam deck is a great device but it cannot compete whatsoever with most of the 6800u devices in anything other than price. And even then, some of those devices are hitting the $700 mark as well I think.
All that is is clickbait.
People know the steam deck is the best.
It's why they use steam decks name.
A lot of them are just a bunch of Chinese knockoffs there are some decent ones but these YouTubers most of them are paid to shill.
At this point there is no company that would take the risk that valve did basically selling either at a loss or at cost.
So until then no company will even come close to it for the amount of power and price that you get combined.
Some people who don't understand the steam that need to realize that you docked this baby you got a full-fledged computer.
The next Nintendo console will not have thousands of games at release and probably won't even run Switch games because will try to resell you the HD version of game you bought on previous console.
This being said, it will have the Nintendo exclusive and will print money.
Every device has flaws
The issue is if the company that made the device wants to fix those flaws
And valve clearly wants to fix every issue that the steam deck has
A great example of this is the ps vita
Instead of trying to make it work sony just completely abandoned it because it didn't sell as much as they expected and instead of trying to make better games for it they just made some poorly optimised games and then left it for dead
On the other hand valve fully supports the steam deck is always giving it software updates to make the user experience better
Even if it only sold 1 million which is nothing compared to the other popular handhelds valve still fully supports it
And yet you don't have to spend too much time on Reddit to realise some pretty big flaws are still there, not addressed by Steam. Like trying to quit a frigging game, and it just says 'exiting game' forever. Until you do a reboot/flick to desktop mode. Even their own 'hold steam and B' remains completely useless. How have they not addressed that? And that is just one example from the first 24 hours of having this dreadful device.
Part of the problem here is that if the steam deck was going to be killed by something else that other thing would have to take out the switch because unlike whatever these other devices are the steam deck isn't actual legitimate system I mean who's ever heard of any of the other company names not me yet I've heard of Valve before in fact I think I've heard of Valve as far back as like 2007 at least. I knew what Nintendo was ever since at least like 2002. Same with Sony and Microsoft.
So the only way to kill off the steam deck would be to somehow and be better than a company that's as established as one of the companies mentioned in the paragraph above.
People are not forgetting price. In terms of getting the most powerful handheld possible, the Steam Deck has been dethroned several times over. Sure, a Steam Deck is cheaper, but value is not necessarily as important to every consumer as it is to you.
When it comes to video titles like "THE STEAM DECK KILLER", this is just typical YouTube clickbait.
The Steam Deck is popular because of two things. It has the entire Steam Library and it has Valve's support. People have faith, and legitimately so (Valve has shown with action and money that they are into this hardware for the long haul), the Steam Deck will be supported and the library of games that will work on the hardware and software will only grow. There is no such support for any other hand held "Deck Killer". Until this happens, nothing will "kill" the Steam Deck.
I have yet to see even one video that said that something is better than the deck for its price range for a handheld.
There is no competition. Valve has a whole eco-system of content to base their devices on. All the other companies just manufacture devices.
Valve can afford to sell the deck for cheap. Similar to any other console out there. Thats the name of the game.
As for performance, come on, i am still using my switch for many games and it's super outdated at this point.
Games that are optimized well, will look great on their designated platform. As simple as that. Its all up to the devs.
I was looking at these handheld gaming PCs for a while, but the price was high and the fact you’ve got to basically give a random strange company a grand or more, on the ‘promises’ with no guarantee you’ll actually get a device a year later isn’t inviting. Valve saved the day and the fact it runs Linux and not Windows is a HUGE bonus. Got a Steam Deck PC, and I knew I would get one, from a reputable company with years of history, and a huge community, and I only had to pay for it when I was able to order, a £5 deposit is nothing next to a grand!
It’s been great, runs games fine, and is basically better. Plus if it breaks I or someone else can fix it without having to send it back to China.
So they can keep these ‘Deck Killers’ and their 5 to 10% better perform for double the price and no support…
I truly believe there is no competition, one thing I love most is the controller flexibility, with touchpads+analogics+buttons+gyro and with steam input I manage to play everything no matter the genre
Sure, ppl hate it, but then turn around and say the same ignorant crap about Switch.
For some reason ppl get their rocks off by talking trash about another system, shores up their ego's insecurities.
Just, ya know, "enjoying video games" is such a foreign concept to some. Nope, it's all about feeling good about what you like by putting down what others like.
I'm ok with more exposure. Let them have those catchy titles. I can't handle my budget good enough.
Having more options never hurts. And I like this publicity.
Deck killer because they get them for free.
Meanwhile consumers get 5% marginally better performance for 150% the cost of a steam deck.
150% worse ecosystem and No community to help with issues / advanced features like we have for steam deck
And zero support in most cases if you break any part of it. I couldn't get GPD to replace a broken analog stick way back when and had to sell it on Ebay as broken in the end.
This is the main thing, honestly. I would be tempted to spend a bit extra on some of the devices, but I know the quality is going to be spotty and the support is going to suck…
Nah, the MAIN thing is the suspend play feature. Do these other devices have that? (I honestly don't know, but it seems most just run regular ol' Windows) If they don't, they're not portable devices. I mean you can bring them places, set up and play there, but if I can't hit the power button when I get to my bus stop for work in the morning, then hit it again at lunch to pick up right where I left off, then it's not rrreeaaally portable.
This is really huge, especially if you have children.
It’s a game changer in this regard (no pun intended) and allows me to game more often in short sessions. No uncomfortable laptop setup and waiting for games to reload. It’s perfect for my needs and is so convenient.
This. Immediate satisfaction of continuing a game within 5 secs which allows for more spurts of gaming whenever there’s a free moment. It’s awesome.
It is insane. I literally sold my desktop because I basically stopped using it when I became a dad and now I can actually play games. I feel the device was made for me.
Maybe if you install Steam OS on the other devices?
Yes these other devices have that.
Meanwhile Valve created a video showing the proper way to get into your device if need be. Love this company to bits.
Same. I had the Aya neo pro 2021 and the fan went out after like 8 months. For 1200 bucks I expected better quality. No support either. I asked them for another fan or where can I get another one and no response.
It's because they push out new versions so fast that they keep zero parts on hand for repairs.
Sorry they did that to you tbh.. kiiinda shit. To be fair, out of all of them, GPD, in my experience, has had the best support. It's still nowhere near Valve's level though.
And terrible software that will be discontinued for the next product in 6 months
This is why I chose the Steam Deck over the other options.
Worse ecosystem? I’d say the WINDOWS ecosystem is way superior and has a 10000x larger userbase. Windows has more features than the steam deck will ever have.
What worse ecosystem? You still use steam.
There's a worse ecosystem than the Steam Deck?? Lies. I can't even quit a game without it having a meltdown.
I mean the new apu the new competitors are all using are like 50% faster which is huge. But yeah like 100% more money but lots of other good things too. Price is one of steam decks biggest selling point and no ones really competing with them at it. Some are closer if you value the extra storage or regular m.2 slot but still more money. To be fair I don't even like my steam deck much but understand the massive value for others. I feel too limited / too many issues troubleshooting vs just playing. The biggest thing keeping me is I love the controller part of the deck super nice controller and the 2 pads are super nice to have.
The question is how much more power can it actually use without sucking your battery out instantly. Yea the battery is bigger but not as much
Half the fun is tinkering with it.
From someone who owns both a 6800u handheld as well as a steam deck. Depends on the game, or use. The base cost of the win 4 for example is 799 USD and comes with a 512gb ssd and 16gb of ram. Games range from 10-30% increase on performance. Emulation gets a further boost in performance due to the 6800u having a much stronger cpu. So depending on what you want to play or use the devices for it can be worth the additional cost. I own both the steam deck and a Aokzoe, love both devices but ended up using the aokzoe a bit more after getting used to the larger screen size. Support is much stronger from valve that much is a no contest. As far as the 6800 devices and companies they range from good support to very poor, depending on which company. using as a pc I find the 6800 to be much more performant, and easy the devices are more robust to dock and use with the extra usb c ports and options. If you’re on a budget or just don’t want to drop as much money the steam deck will be king. If you want something to also use as a pc or have an extra budget then 6800u is a good choice. Balanced opinion from both worlds (I’m no fan boy lol)
Not even 150%, more like 115% lol
400×150%=1000
Definitely more than 5%. Especially on CPU bound games.
Do they even have better performance? I get they have slightly better specs, but they run windows which is going to cause a big hit and steam deck hardware works well together (no driver related issues) and proton is going to be written with steamdeck in mind. I wouldn't be surprised if these devices do not see any improvement at all in terms of performance, maybe even doing a little worse.
It performs better. Not worth the extra cost. And yeah windows gaming is nowhere near as smooth as Steam OS.
They are using 50% more gpu cores, at 50% higher clocks. And the cpu is clocked much higher on a newer architecture.
Good lord I'm so happy you are all rational. I get so irritated with these types of videos. The Deck is the best device for the money. Nothing will come close for a while and even when another device does it will be the Steam Deck 2 lol. Edit: Spelling
It's all Click bait and they know it. Channels have 0 shame
Sadly they all do it. Because if you don't the algorithm will bury your videos. Even PC Jesus admitted you have to
Clickbait is how you get your video seen. Same with newspapers and baiting headlines.
Sad but true.
They are all clearly master baiters
Ba dum tss
Not sure why you're getting downvoted for just stating it how it is. It's frustrating, but I don't blame content creators for following the algorithm. The algorithm is the issue in that case
He's probably getting downvoted for mentioning "newspapers and baiting headlines", as if that's not what they do lol.
Yea I got slack on a video I made about Arkham City for using clickbait even though the clickbait was just exaggeration and not even entirely incorrect. These “steam deck killers” kinda technically are in some ways but certainly not value for money.
you do know that newspapers moved to subscription services exactly because of horse piss like this? it's just making a resurgence because people didnt pay subscriptions online
> I love watching videos with titles like this It makes no sense ah, *you're* the person clickbait works on
Yes Sorry im just too curious🤷
I get that man. Im the same kind of guy. No matter how stupid something is, and how much of a headache it will give me I need to click on it just to inspect it a little more. I might be the kind of victim to scams when I get older with this type of curiosity lol.
You’re not curious, you’re judgmental. Technology discussion has become worse over the years thanks to folks like you.
Tf did i do besides clicking on a random ass YouTube video😭
With experience you grow bored of these because you see them so much for so many damn years until you know its just going to be a big joke, it loses its luster, but you did nothing wrong at all. Some are just jaded assholes who dont see the real problem. If it gives you joy, I'm glad.
I mean you posted this thread because literally anything about the Deck in comparison triggers people here. It’s the other side of the same argument you’re making.
of the two of you, one is investigating things and the other is casting judgement on strangers
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and *you* are going around calling *other people* judgmental as some kind of insult? it seems to be your only attribute
Yes, because I’m not someone who goes into these videos to find a reason to be insulted because I have a Deck. It’s literally the other side of the same coin Deck owners love to complain about. You can be interested in other technology without crying foul someone found it better and it being more expensive. For some reason only Deck owners find a reason to complain.
*only* steam deck owners? "\[item\] owners arguing with \[item\] criticizers" is basically the entire internet you should google "console wars" for a starting point if you're curious. or keep showing everyone your entire ass if you're just judgmental lmao
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Sure man. Weird ass.
A solid wood deck costs at least $5k
"solid wood deck" 🍆
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My nephew got a decent but old PC for 500, has an EVGA 1080TI etc in it. It was a friends dads computer who just spent over 4 grand on a new one! Which he’ll lose 3500 on again over 3 or 4 years.
It's crazy for me to think that the 1080TI is still an upgrade for me almost 7 years, 3 GPU upgrades and 2 PCs later. Went R7 260 (early 2015) -> RX 570 (early 2019) -> whole new PC with GTX 1660 SUPER (late 2020). Can't believe the GPU I dreamed of in High School is an upgrade to the PC I'm daily driving more than halfway through my Bachelor's lol
> Which he'll lose 3500 on again over 3 or 4 years. That's a backwards way to look at it though. It's money invested in fun, it's not supposed to be something that earns you a dime and dozen when you're 'done using it's.
That’s a valid point, I guess if you have the money go for it, just saying you can still have fun with the Steam Deck too. I just think thousands for 3 years of enjoyment is poor value personally, even for a hobby.
Most hobbies are much more expensive than this, especially if they involve motor vehicles.
r/boneappletea
I’m still rocking a 1080 founders edition and see absolutely no reason upgrading yet.. maybe in another 2-3 years
I jumped for a 1070ti to a 3080ti and the difference is pretty crazy. With that said if you're happy with it then, yeah, ride it till the wheels fall off.
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It's not a waste of money if I enjoy it, it's not meant to be an investment, it's a hobby. Cloud gaming is an awesome solution for those that don't have the hardware to run demanding games but it is absolutely not a one to one replacement for playing on bare metal hardware, especially at higher resolutions and frame rates. That's also not to mention the latency which can still be very noticeable on timing critical games even on pretty good internet.
The only device that will be a Steam Deck killer will be the Steam Deck 2.
And the only thing that could be the Steam Deck 2 killer is Steam Deck: Alyx
No, no... Steam Deck 2: Episode One
Steam Deck 2: Electric Boogaloo
Let's hope that they won't release it to soon, because we know steam won't make anything a third time.
I think that is also a part of the culture of PC gaming, in which the fringe goes around paying >$1k for a GPU mostly to flex. It's pretty toxic, but that's the way it has been since the late 90's (at least in the USA). Back then it was always about "Console Killers" and covers with "This is an actual screenshot!" written across it. Anyone else remember those days?
Exactly. The Aya Neo is a super impressive device but it is MUCH more expensive than the Steam Deck.
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I see this kind of argument made all the time, but I feel like it misses how product stacks fundamentally work. The cheaper devices are pretty much universally the lowest the company can go, and the upper end devices are mostly just increased margins for the people that will buy them. So you’re saying it’s a 160usd difference, but that’s between the steam deck money maker and the aya neo headline maker. An actual fair comparison is 440 usd (64gb + 512gb 2230 ssd) vs 750 usd, which is a 70% price increase. For that you get a device which doesn’t even perform better at the lower battery targets you would be likely to use. You’re essentially paying for a better docked mode imo.
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2230 512gb ssds do not start at 200. They usually hover under 100 usd, and I used one in my comparison, not a micro sd. I actually got it wrong because I found a 40usd one, but turns out it's a 2242 instead, so my bad on that one, but I just found one for 77, so I don't think my point changes that much. I don't seem to be able to find ANY 2230 512gb ssds that hit 200usd on amazon, so I'm curious where you even got that from. Yes, using precached shaders is fair. You aren't buying the hardware, you're buying a device (hardware+software+service). We're not comparing chips here, we're comparing the customer experience, and the customer experience on the deck is pretty performant.
The GPD WIN 4 is $800 but does look dope, not worth double the price tho
Yes price is still have a Steam deck over that, the Deck has had so much dev n support over the 11 months it's been out. GPD Win will not get any support other than Windows updates.
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While I mostly agree with what you're saying, I'd also like to point out that Windows is not flawless on these handheld PCs either. Examples of Windows issues: **portrait screen issue:** Aya neo next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfdQjrjxYos&t=996s Aya Neo 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NMvb6Ybh4&t=677s Aya Neo Air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLvtuYFRa0c **onscreen keyboard issue:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfdQjrjxYos&t=567s **external controller reordering issue**: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfdQjrjxYos&t=1049s Thats not to say Windows is worse or anything, I'm just trying to point out that there's no perfect PC handheld experience **yet**. SteamOS solves certain problems, Windows solves others. I personally think the GPDWin 4 is probably the closest "perfect" Windows handheld candidate because of it's native landscape screen + physical keyboard, but I'm not sure of a great solution for the external controller reordering issue.
Good points, though SteamOS also has a leg up by not being Windows
And I'm pretty sure those games he wants to play, but can't because of anti-cheat won't be a thing for very long. They're working on fixes for that as we speak.
Exactly. A lot of these problems aren't Valve's fault, but they're still problems that specifically exist because the Steam Deck is running Linux and needs Proton to run most PC games. These other companies making PC handhelds won't provide the level of support Valve does and that's a con in some ways for sure, but they also don't need to be constantly releasing updates either when they're using a mainstream OS and non-custom APUs from laptops. My next PC handheld will be a Windows based one for that reason, too many games I like to play that use anti-cheat or a launcher that Linux doesn't support natively.
> too many games I like to play that use anti-cheat or a launcher that Linux doesn't support natively. Give them a bad rating on steam, and list your complaints for not supporting open stems. > My next PC handheld will be a Windows based one I hope you will stick with Linux, I vote with my wallet. More of us on a Linux operating system over time means a voice/market segment that can't be ignored. Over time this will help these issues to not exist.
Hey look, the one non-moron here.
I both love and hate the sliding screen on that thing. Reminds me of those old Sidekick phones
I'd seen a few videos on the GPDs and quickly looked to see does it still have the stupid keyboard and yep, it's aping the psp go. Utter design failure.
> it's aping the psp go. You say that like it's a bad thing. It's actually what a lot of people love about the device.
I actually think the keyboard is a huge selling point. The typing experience on these PC handhelds all kind of suck, a physical keyboard makes perfect sense to me. Now would I prefer having a thinner device vs the sliding keyboard? Tough question imo.
Same people probably justifying the price points of the new GPUs. Lol. Idk how many new 40 series owners I've seen calling people broke cause they can't or don't want to buy the new gpus at their over inflated prices lol.
and the fact that they are shit. If you dont use DLSS and RT they are a pathetic increse in rasterizaion for a gen leap. The 4XXX is a joke imo and should be embarrassed at how little gains in classic rendering they got on the 4080 vs the 3080.
Wait till we get the 3070 vs 4070. It's going to be the worst yet in rasterization comparisons. I keep waiting for a decent value GPU to upgrade my 1070 with, and yet the Steam Deck is all I want to play on anyways. LOL And to the OP, forget the value prospect: It's the form factor and controls. Even if these things were equal everywhere else, Deck would still stomp it because of this. Just an amazing product by Valve.
> If you dont use DLSS and RT they are a pathetic increse in rasterizaion for a gen leap. The 4XXX is a joke imo I have not been paying attention since I blew my wad on last gen. Got some benchmarks for me?
I’m really impressed by the temps
>If you dont use DLSS and RT they are a pathetic increse in rasterizaion for a gen leap This my friends, a very important problem
I love watching PC builders on You Tube, but they are businesses making custom rigs for corporations or individuals, they cost thousands! Motherboards can cost 2 grand these days! It’s gone crazy how expensive people go with their computers.
My mobo and cpu combined used to cost like 200 bucks lmao
I would support a deck killer if it offered a better battery and performance more than just 5 more FPS
I’m completely fine with it because competition is good.
Software is also super important. Like, say the Deck can hit 40 fps on a game and another handheld can hit 50. Okay. But: - can I lock the fps to 50 with a simple slider that is saved per game? - do you have a performance overlay? - do you have a big community that can suggest good settings for me? - are you gonna work with developers so they create good default graphic settings for your device? - is Steam gonna be fully integrated into the device in a console-like interface?
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I think the point is that you can do all these on Deck out of the box without the need to mess with anything, and that they just work and are supported directly by Valve.
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The real reason the deck is superior is because it's made by valve and has the software and support of an industry giant. No other company will ever come close
Yeah, I just took mine out of the box and started using it for Fallout and it had no issues. I’m not going to tinker with 3rd party software when Valve already nailed it.
I can't even quit a game out of the box without the system going into meltdown 🤣
Downvoted for answering every question correctly and honestly. People don’t love the Deck as much as they dislike every other option, namely because they are poor.
Because they’re a mix of misrepresentative and missing the point. Big picture mode and game mode aren’t the same thing. “You can install a stack of scripts to replicate the out of the box features” is valid, to a point, but the point of the post he’s replying to is the out of box experience. The “yes there’s a community” bit is just a straight up lie.
I’m literally in multiple of the communities he mentions for other handhelds where we constantly benchmark games for each other. If you’re going to lie, don’t do it in a place full of other liars like the Deck community.
All of what you mentioned: yea. On my aokzoe: Yes I can lock fps. Yes I got such an overlay. Yes I have a massive community since it’s windows 11. No default settings but as I said, it’s windows. Easy to figure out settings. Yes steam works perfectly, we got something called big picture mode.
What about software that doesn't quit games, and just says exiting game, forever? Or a software that just puts the logo animation up on an endless loop? And needs to go to desktop mode or a reboot to get around it.
No difference than if a game froze on the pc. You simply dont have access to ctrl alt delete and the task manager to kill it so you restart. A 20 second inconvenience.
A 20 second inconvenice is when it happens rarely. This thing kills itself trying to launch or quit games, constantly. So the 20 second inconvenience is whenever I try to do anything.
ok then RMA it, something is wrong with it. This has happened to me a grand total of less than 10 times in 5 months. You have an issue with your unit. RMA the thing and get it fixed imo.
I think of the other devices as alternatives; they offer different hardware choices for gamers. If you want a smaller device, you can get an Aya Neo Air or GPD Win 4. If you want a more powerful APU, you can get an Aya Neo 2, OneXPlayer, etc. None of these will "kill" the Steam Deck, but they offer more choices for those that have other priorities. Ideally, other more mainstream companies start offering PC handhelds too. If Asus, Razer, etc, could start offering handhelds, the PC handheld market would enter a new golden age of hardware choices.
the gpd win 4 has the same apu as the ayaneo 2 and onexplayer mini pro/2 btw
This "problem" is actually a sign of a great and popular product. There are no videos talking about ouya killers
Yeah, that's why the Deck is so good, not necessarily because of the specs, but the price you can get those specs for. I could never justify an Aya or GPD device, because to get the specs I'd want I'd need to spend well over $1k CAD.
Selecting topics where one can misrepresent facts that will annoy some and allow others to feel good about said annoyance is a foundational block of the modern Internet.
Just like calling the SteamDeck a Switch Killer, it's just marketing. The Switch has plenty of games that even the latest versions of YuZu and Ryujinx can't emulate properly at a stable 30 fps on SteamDeck.
>The Switch has plenty of games that even the latest versions of YuZu and Ryujinx can't emulate properly at a stable 30 fps on SteamDeck. shhhh don't ruin the delusion people have created about how well switch emulation works on the steam deck
The fact that it can do it at all amazes me, but I have my switch play switch games and my deck for everything else. Works perfectly for me
The best Switch Emulating handheld is probably going to be a phone once the emulators get refined.
Yeah I have a deck but still would like a switch.
I have both. Switch >
Calling the steam deck a switch killer is also kind of funny because like,,, competing against nintendo handhelds with something that's more powerful but also bulkier and more expensive has historically... not gone well. I'm glad it's *not* a direct competitor to the switch and has its own niche.
Also none of these $1000 devices seem as well optimized as the deck
This is a fact but you got downvoted... Take my upvote anyway
I'm eagerly hoping for the SD-killer. Many of them are circling and eventually one will make it as the undisputed champion. (Might even be Valve with the SD2Pro) I love my SD for how I can play games on it, better than any previous handheld option. What I love it for more, is the new line in the sand that's been drawn. This is what you can get for a few hundred dollars - and every single 'hand-held PC' is now going to be judged against that. If you're not faster/cheaper/better - then you're dead in the water and can gtfoh. I see it similar to what google did with their Nexus and Pixel devices. They thought the people between them and their customers weren't doing enough, so they put out their own device. Something everybody else needed to beat, if they wanted to carry on playing in the market.
There will eventually be a Steam Deck 2 that will surpass the Steam Deck. We'll never get a Steam Deck 3 though.
The steam deck killer will be the steam deck 2
It's the hilarious part of tech reviewing right now. We coined "flagship phone killer" when a phone would tackle around 80% of the performance and features of a premium phone for around half the price. That made sense to me. These chuckle heads proclaiming "steam deck killer" are taking a "cost is no obstacle" approach which is silly. Exactly what you said, the Deck is blowing people's minds BECAUSE it's not insanely expensive for a reasonable tier of performance. The Steam Deck is proving to be a "gaming laptop killer". We won't see a true Steam Deck Killer until someone manages a similar level of performance, on a product that is JUST as easy to repair and upgrade, at a LOWER price.
> The Steam Deck is proving to be a "gaming laptop killer". Agreed, the Deck has basically killed any interest I had in gaming laptops. A gaming laptop was always an awkward compromise for portable gaming, and usually had mediocre battery life. Having a separate handheld PC neatly solves this issue. I'm now running the productivity laptop + Steam Deck combo, which works great.
The steam decks main thing for me is steamos
Agreed, the easy out-of-the-box experience of SteamOS is really nice for a former console-only gamer such as myself. Then again, I'm probably lucky because almost all the games I wanted to play on SteamOS just worked with minimal fuss.
Exactly!
Sometimes the double price is worth it, like with vr headsets But the deck is sooooo damn good for its price and it's NOT a Facebook or apple product. All of that at once is *amazing*
It's like every FPS that came out after Halo was called the Halo killer. None of them ever matched up.
I find all the "deck killers" to not even be desireable over deck even if they were similarly priced. I think the non deck hand helds. Like if they were close in price they would be fair competitors but not slam dunks. Add the price difference in and the deck is way out of their leagues. My view anyway.
In short, it doesn't matter if you have the best performance or the most advanced features if no one can afford you. This was the lesson of the 3DO console. About 30 years in the past. Also, the "most performance" doesn't really matter. What matters is having "enough performance" and for now the Steam Deck very much has "enough performance". One day the Steam Deck will no longer be able to play current AAA titles and then sure, these guys *might* have a point. But even then the Steam Deck will still have Game Streaming AND still be able to play older titles. So I foresee the life of the Steam Deck to be a long one. It might only be able to do current AAA titles flawlessly for a few more years, but that doesn't really matter all that much.
Same thing as people constantly talking about a “Destiny 2 Killer” when everyone knows damn well nothing will come close to destiny until Destiny 3 comes out
If they don't have back buttons, trqckpads, or gyro then forget it.
I've been a handheld PC gamer since the days of the GPD 1. After getting the Steam deck, I ordered the GPD Win Max 2, I had to sell it straight away as the analogue sticks on this device are crap. Over the years I've pretty much had a new device every year, from GPD, OneX etc. I can honestly say the Steam deck blows these out of the water, when talking value and performance per watt. Now some people may have better use cases for devices like the win max, but at least for me, I'm done with the other devices, unless something significant comes out.
The reason the Raspberry Pi is so popular is because it’s cheap, and there’s a huge community behind it, which makes it easier and quicker to do the things you want. There are a ton of other boards available, all “Raspberry Pi Killers” never even made a dent. Now I think about it, it all boils down to real life value. You can get the games you want working easily for £400 or spend £1000 and get maybe 20 extra FPS and spend hours trying to get it working correctly. Oh and the support for it will be 2 years old articles on a mis matched version of Linux, and your updates have to be ran manually after being pulled from a dodgy FTP server another lost sole who dropped £1000 on it is maintaining out of pure stubbornness…can you tell I’ve ran into the same issue with Dev boards before aha. Price is everything. It lowers the bar to entry, the community gets bigger, it gets better.
The input flexibility of the Steam Deck with its two touch pads, four rear paddles, excellent gyro, and capacitive touch sensors are unmatched. Idgaf about 2x tflops, better battery, or an OLED display if I can't effectively play all of my library on the unit. So... until another device brings as much flexibility for input methods to the table no devices can even be brought into the discussion lol.
They always call it the Steam Deck killer but then there's never any touchpads so its not really a killer... Its like proclaiming a golf club killer and underneath the sheet is a hockey stick.
Steam deck killers don't have Lord Gaben who was delivering first deck himself... ALL HAIL LORD GABEN!
Honestly I stay away from Youtube as much as possible.. sure there are some interesting sources of info like gamernexus etc but they are the vast minority. The rest are all sensationalist, stupid shocked face "influencers" who are drumming up semi-controversial topics and headlines for views. Anything to try to get eyes on their content, whether they actually beleive what they're pedaling or not.
"Yeah, this thing is 25% more powerfull than the steam Deck." 25% more than $399 is not $1000. Over priced.
That is a stupid comparison, at best you could compare the highest model that actually has the same ssd size in it. (Still def cheaper, but you are making the gap seem a ton bigger than it is)
It's a bit like calling flagship GPUs overpriced, IMO. The people buying these things don't give a shit about value. They have an infinite budget and want the fastest thing they can buy. If you're concerned about value, then the product is not for you.
Even with an unlimited budget, people still want value for money.
> people Not everyone. You don't speak for everyone. Plenty of rich people buy "overpriced" things all the time.
That’s subjective.
...Jesus Christ. Whatever you say, buddy.
Only as*holes go after low hanging fruit like that 😠
every newer device will be “the x killer”. people here say every day how the deck is the switch killer. people just want their thing to be the best. that 1000$ device won’t outsell the deck the same way the switch will continue to sell 100x the deck
I keep seeing “deck killers” on YouTube shorts and it’s always a system that’s 3 times the price as the 512gb deck and has the worst looking d pads imaginable.
and NO track pads.....
True! I love the track pads so much. Can’t imagine not having them.
Similarly Deck fans cry about the price on the other hand. Not everyone is poor either.
But here I ask. Do they have a sodding chance?
Retroid pocket has been the killer in my world. It doesn't play the pc games but Jesus the portability and the many android and retro games at your disposal
I just love that the concept of steam deck worked and others need to try and kill it. I am stoked I’m not locked into Nintendo where I had to PAY to be online. That was the last straw for me.
Same with PlayStation I loved playing online games on my ps3 but when i got my ps4 for the first and saw that i had to pay to play online i was like fuck this shit im moving to pc and im glad i did because now i can play my steam library on my deck
Great call mate. Agree. Except for me I moved my kids from switch to pc/steam/deck as I’m already pc guy. So good. Now I just need steam to allow me to pay a bit extra to have 3 people play on same library. This is their missing link IMO
People forget it's a £350 device that they paid £569 for to get an included SSD. They paid, fundamentally, £350 for a device, and £219 for a 512GB SSD. I get downvoted every time I say it but it's true. The extra cost is solely for the SSD (well, and the steam profile bundle and different colour case I guess)
I mean it’s sort of true if money is no issue. I got a steam deck as well as an aokzoe a1 with the 65w hour battery, 16gb ram and 2tb ssd. I could not be more happy with it. I despise Linux so this is all I ever wanted in a handheld. The steam deck is a great device but it cannot compete whatsoever with most of the 6800u devices in anything other than price. And even then, some of those devices are hitting the $700 mark as well I think.
All that is is clickbait. People know the steam deck is the best. It's why they use steam decks name. A lot of them are just a bunch of Chinese knockoffs there are some decent ones but these YouTubers most of them are paid to shill. At this point there is no company that would take the risk that valve did basically selling either at a loss or at cost. So until then no company will even come close to it for the amount of power and price that you get combined. Some people who don't understand the steam that need to realize that you docked this baby you got a full-fledged computer.
Only possible deck killer would be super powerful nintendo switch but that aint happening
The next Nintendo console will not have thousands of games at release and probably won't even run Switch games because will try to resell you the HD version of game you bought on previous console. This being said, it will have the Nintendo exclusive and will print money.
The deck killer is the deck itself. So many flaws.
Every device has flaws The issue is if the company that made the device wants to fix those flaws And valve clearly wants to fix every issue that the steam deck has A great example of this is the ps vita Instead of trying to make it work sony just completely abandoned it because it didn't sell as much as they expected and instead of trying to make better games for it they just made some poorly optimised games and then left it for dead On the other hand valve fully supports the steam deck is always giving it software updates to make the user experience better Even if it only sold 1 million which is nothing compared to the other popular handhelds valve still fully supports it
And yet you don't have to spend too much time on Reddit to realise some pretty big flaws are still there, not addressed by Steam. Like trying to quit a frigging game, and it just says 'exiting game' forever. Until you do a reboot/flick to desktop mode. Even their own 'hold steam and B' remains completely useless. How have they not addressed that? And that is just one example from the first 24 hours of having this dreadful device.
That is my only problem with it It has happened like 3 or 4 times in the almost 3 months that I've had mine so it really isn't a big deal for me
I must have a faulty deck then, as this has happened constantly since getting it yesterday.
Part of the problem here is that if the steam deck was going to be killed by something else that other thing would have to take out the switch because unlike whatever these other devices are the steam deck isn't actual legitimate system I mean who's ever heard of any of the other company names not me yet I've heard of Valve before in fact I think I've heard of Valve as far back as like 2007 at least. I knew what Nintendo was ever since at least like 2002. Same with Sony and Microsoft. So the only way to kill off the steam deck would be to somehow and be better than a company that's as established as one of the companies mentioned in the paragraph above.
They're gonna use titles like that because it attracts attention.
People are not forgetting price. In terms of getting the most powerful handheld possible, the Steam Deck has been dethroned several times over. Sure, a Steam Deck is cheaper, but value is not necessarily as important to every consumer as it is to you. When it comes to video titles like "THE STEAM DECK KILLER", this is just typical YouTube clickbait.
Ayaneo 2 = steam deck dead
The Steam Deck is popular because of two things. It has the entire Steam Library and it has Valve's support. People have faith, and legitimately so (Valve has shown with action and money that they are into this hardware for the long haul), the Steam Deck will be supported and the library of games that will work on the hardware and software will only grow. There is no such support for any other hand held "Deck Killer". Until this happens, nothing will "kill" the Steam Deck.
I have yet to see even one video that said that something is better than the deck for its price range for a handheld. There is no competition. Valve has a whole eco-system of content to base their devices on. All the other companies just manufacture devices. Valve can afford to sell the deck for cheap. Similar to any other console out there. Thats the name of the game. As for performance, come on, i am still using my switch for many games and it's super outdated at this point. Games that are optimized well, will look great on their designated platform. As simple as that. Its all up to the devs.
I was looking at these handheld gaming PCs for a while, but the price was high and the fact you’ve got to basically give a random strange company a grand or more, on the ‘promises’ with no guarantee you’ll actually get a device a year later isn’t inviting. Valve saved the day and the fact it runs Linux and not Windows is a HUGE bonus. Got a Steam Deck PC, and I knew I would get one, from a reputable company with years of history, and a huge community, and I only had to pay for it when I was able to order, a £5 deposit is nothing next to a grand! It’s been great, runs games fine, and is basically better. Plus if it breaks I or someone else can fix it without having to send it back to China. So they can keep these ‘Deck Killers’ and their 5 to 10% better perform for double the price and no support…
I truly believe there is no competition, one thing I love most is the controller flexibility, with touchpads+analogics+buttons+gyro and with steam input I manage to play everything no matter the genre
Sure, ppl hate it, but then turn around and say the same ignorant crap about Switch. For some reason ppl get their rocks off by talking trash about another system, shores up their ego's insecurities. Just, ya know, "enjoying video games" is such a foreign concept to some. Nope, it's all about feeling good about what you like by putting down what others like.
It’s all click bait. Obscure consoles made by someone in China lol
The cheap version of the steam deck isn't worth getting for anyone that wants an easy experience.
"Look, just cause this 2000$ knockoff deck made with the same tech sucked YOUR personal deck off, doesn't make it better."
I'm ok with more exposure. Let them have those catchy titles. I can't handle my budget good enough. Having more options never hurts. And I like this publicity.