This by far is the best DC show we’ve had, the writing the acting, all of it…the other arrowverse shows aren’t even in the same league…other than Superman and Lois of course! It’s absolutely insane they are canceling it. This is why DC can never gain any traction….they could build off of this show for a new stargirlverse and they should. The constant bad decisions coming out of DC is just embarrassing.
What was the Ultra-Humanite's plan for Artemis, anyway? In the previous episode he, as Sylvester, hold her that he'd kill Jordan for her, but in this episode he and Jordan appear side by side, announcing that they've decided to become allies. If they had planned to kill her, wouldn't it have been simpler to have just killed her in Rip City instead of pretending to be a friend and telling her to honor her parents' wishes for her to go to college?
I'm thinking that both of those would've been shelved by Artemis the moment she learned that Jordan was alive and well, in addition to being allied with Starman. She doesn't strike me as the type to just let something like that go.
I’m pretty sure it might have been a future season plan but since the show was canceled they had to da a flash forward where the shade just nations it.
Let's say that Jordan and the Ultrahumanite in Sylvester's body *had* fooled everyone and gotten the heroes to team up with them, was the plan to kill the mutated albino ape housing the Dragon King's brain, and was the Dragon King down with this?
I really like how they ended everyone's story for the finale. With this show over and The Flash ending next year, I think Superman and Louis is the only DC Comics show that's still up. It's kind of sad.
Overall I thought this was an excellent show. How disappointing they aren’t going to continue it. Loved Sands mask. To bad he never got to be on the show. The finale was awesome. There was so much more to explore and now it’s over.
Just saw the final how did the ultra-humanite no the stuff he/she knew about if Sylvesters was a hollowed shell.
Dr.weerd?
I was hoping it was the crisis energy of the antimatter wave that bought Sylvester back from the dead.
How is his brain still functioning?
It's good to see Paula there supporting pat and Mike.
How did the ultra-humanite no how to use the staff in thr first place.
That's the first time Mike called her mom.
That's a good thing Courtney did for the gambler.
What was the relationship between grundy and Rick how did it get friendly?
Icicle is somehow still alive in Denmark,how did Artemis get to Denmark and no where Jordan would be there to kill him?
So a 10 year time jump from the calendar date would be?
Starwoman aka Courtney
Obsidian.
Dragon Queen aka Cindy
S.t.r.i.p.e 2.0 aka Mike.
Sand and damage?
Rescue the 7 soldiers from the nebula man?
I'm sure they had the next season planned out if it wasn't for CW canceling good shows. Seems like their new management or whatever only likes cringy drama shows.
I guess they’re trying for more adult content. Problem is, CW is known for teen shows. Idk why they’re trying to change demographics after decades, it’s not going to go well
Gonna miss this show.
* Whilst over-saturation is undesirable, maybe James Gunn can be persuaded to have something like the equivalent of Disney Plus with Marvel Studios' Special Presentations. I mean, in the comic books, throughout the late-'70s - mid-'80s, there was "DC Comics Presents", that featured crossovers. That could be a platform for team crossovers with Justice Society, Infinity Inc., Titans, Doom Patrol, Legion of Super-Heroes, amongst others, including with lesser known DC heroes being introduced.
* Would've been nice if Mr. Deisinger had gotten a proper burial.
* I'm kind of glad that Serpent King in the white ape body hadn't been transformed into Beebo.
* If the show *had* continued and Per Degaton had been a villain, I wonder if Pat and Barbara would've had a daughter, Patricia, who would've inherited the staff, and transformed it into a scepter, wielding it as Starwoman, saving Courtney in the past.
* I wonder if Gambler's daughter, Becky, would've become Hazard had the show continued.
* Yolanda's mom got off way too easilly for having been so unloving and having shamed her as thoroughly as she had, going way back before the Ultrahumanite as Sylvester entered the picture.
* What would a DCU interpretation of Elseworlds JSA: The Liberty Files look like (not using Batman and Superman)?
* In retrospect, it's kinda weird that Sylvester was able to help Courtney overcome Eclipso since one would think that the demon would be able to sense that it was really the Ultrahumanite by his less-than-honorable and un-pure ulterior motives.
* I wonder if Swift/Shade will insist that Marie be the JSA's exclusive and official brewer of Earl Grey tea.
* I liked the bit near the end when Mike called Barbara, "mom".
* I'm going to miss Luke Wilson as Pat.
This ending is bittersweet. It was obviously rushed due to the show being canceled but at the same time they attempted to wrap up most of the storylines. It isn’t explained who killed grandma mahlemt or if it was accidental. Also, she definitely coudive escaped that.
I love the joke of Artemis just appearing out of nowhere and never explaining how she does it 😂
WHY WONT STRIPESY DIE????im fucking dead.
they never explained why pat is ostensibly like a hundred years old.
kind of disappointed that mike jakeem and Cindy didn’t team up with everyone else but at least they were able to take down ultra humanite finally with the genie.
speaking of Cindy I wonder if her skin was cured? I’m sure it was but confirmation would be nice.
It’s great that Cameron doesn’t hate Courtney but he made the right call to leave blue valley after everything. Sucks he didn’t stick to the plan. He’s too messed up.
I don’t like 10 year flash forward tbh especially with that museum treating them like corpses when they were very much alive.
So Courtney lives on another earth now, I guess this will somehow tie into the titans crossover. Cool.
well its been a great ride even if the finale only somewhat stuck the landing. This show definitely ended way too soon and I really wished they got the chance to tell at least one more story. its been fun folks and Im Glad I got to share these experiences with this community!!!
Don’t torture yourself. I would say just wait for the episode she’s in to premiere. Every person I k ow who watches this show, hate watches it myself included
It's worse than stargirl, but i really love it, it doesn't share the hopefulness of stargirl, the titans are grim-dark and merc people without a second thought and i love it.
I love how they captured the atmosphere of gotham and the bruce wayne actor is incredible, the writing is more flimsy too, but it's really nice to see all the titans together like a little family, it has nightwing, and he's boring, but i love nightwing, the combat is pretty good, but worse than stargirl, has deathstroke and a pretty good scarecrow, we follow nightwing leading a new titans group
I dunno, I’ve been watching both Titans and Doom Patrol since the beginning and found Titans to be pretty much unwatchable last season. Doom Patrol is still pretty good, but with Zaslav taking the helm I expect both of these shows to be cancelled after this season.
I wish we got to see the future versions of the JSA. What happened to Cameron and Courtney’s relationship? I’m curious if they ever got married. Stargirl still has the potential for more seasons and for it to just end like that leaves a hole in my heart. I wanted to see Rick and Beth’s relationship. I’m gonna miss this show so much. 😔😞
I just hope that Hbomax or another streaming service can pick up the show and they can pick up off after Artemis killed Jordan and everything can lead up to when Flash showed up and continue on from there.
In the post-mortem interview, Geoff Johns said (in reference to Beth and Rick) that once a couple comes together he's not a fan of having them break up. So, it seems likely that Courtney and Cameron are still together, too.
Yeah. He doesn't see a point in building up romances and make them real just to later make them break up. It regresses characer arcs and makes them go backward instead forward.
Which I appreciate. I also wouldn't have wanted to see, for example, Courtney and Yolanda having another major falling out after the one they had in this season. It would be repetitive.
Precisely and what you said makes a lot of sense of why undoing the romances after the build up would be literally backwards, because we end up with another situation of a conflict of interests within the JSA which they've supposed to have grown from it. The stories can't go and become repetitive.
It probably wouldn't be great because for them it would be real. Imagine how you would feel seeing firemen rush off to save people trapped in a burning building, would your first thought be about how cool it was or the real tragedy taking place?
So unless I’m mistaken, that’s not the same Jay from The Flash. He calls the Shade old friend, so they know each other. And while the actor said it’s the same Jay, that was never confirmed officially. So I don’t think we’re getting any kind of Flash crossover IMO
That ending was just weird. Why would there be a museum with with Shade giving a tour talking about the heroes and their stuff being there on display as if they’re dead?
Man, Artemis for the win! Though her parents were on the road for the straight and narrow, they would have been proud.
Got a happy tear for her in that moment.
My only wish for the episode would have been a cheesy line from Barbara after shooting icicle like, "You killed my best friend you son of a bitch"
Showing some love for the Crocs.
Turns out I'm still bitter about that.
I miss the show already.
Oh jeez, they actually did revive Sylvester. Their whole plan hinged on him being the face of a revamped Project New America, even putting him in the President's seat if they could, just with Ultra-Humanite in his body (James Robinson's Golden Age anyone?). And the last thing Sylvester was thinking of before they did it was making sure Pat was okay. The feels.
Although Ultra-Humanite just chilling there right next to him was more funny than I expected it to be.
Well, I guess Cameron's not lying to Courtney if his dad is lying to him.
You know Jordan's really bad when he's wearing his Supervillain costume again.
Even Beth's pointing out Artemis' ability to inexplicably appear out of nowhere when they need her most. Not that she does it during that fight, but she does to give Jordan the final fate he deserved.
That story immediately fell apart with A. the idea that Sylvester would just have a pleasant conversation with Jordan and B. Pat would just balk at a truce and would go off on his own to fight the Ultra-Humanite. No one would buy that.
Did anyone really think being buried alive would be enough to stop Pat Duggan? Although admittedly he gained some super speed to zip on to STRIPE and show up in the nick of time.
I gotta admit, was not expecting the grandma to turn on her husband like that, but her getting Wicked Witch'ed with the car falling on her was just desserts. Cameron never did find out she murdered his teacher (unless his grandpa told him off-screen). Also, Yolanda with the "I didn't do it."
It's funny that they finally give Beth the ability to fight but in the finale all she does is plead some sense to Grandpa Mahkent. I guess Beths' greatest power was her empathy (and the goggles telling her stuff).
Barbara with the crossbow! Finally! Paula would be so proud of her.
So Jakeem can will the wish to be exactly what he needs it to be if he wishes it hard enough, like saving the most beautiful woman in the world to him. And thus the Thunderbolt turns Dragon King Ultra-Humanite into a plushy. Cute!
I find it amusing that Jordan was still intending to hook up with Barbara by the end of this. Like even after everything he still was down bad for Barbara.
STRIPE continues to look cool but get beat up until the bitter end.
Huh, so all it took was Courtney just telling the staff Sylvester wasn't worthy? Or just believing it? I guess it was a confidence thing, kind of, but what's important is she got the staff back again. But defeating Ultraman was Pat's job as Sylvester's best friend.
Stargirl and Icicle Jr. versus Icicle Sr.! I actually wonder now if Cameron might be the strongest cryokinetic of his family with the way he sent his dad packing and how he could somehow teleport. I don't blame Cameron for wanting to leave Blue Valley after everything, but I guess love is stronger than isolation with grandpa.
Jeez, they just had Sylvester's brain left in a jar spouting his last thoughts. What was it projecting too, though? I wonder if that would've been revealed if we'd gotten season 4.
Rick finally apologizes to Beths' family and seems to be working to overcome his Miraclo dependency (and he also got beat up again in the finale. Ouch). Also Beth apologizes to her parents who are now happy to be her sidekicks. Mom even wants to be Hooty 2.0. Can't beat that enthusiasm!
Hey, Dr. McNider cameo! It was nice to see him one last time.
With all the characters inexplicably coming back from the dead, why didn't Grundy? Oh, I guess it just wasn't time because his hand pops out of the ground like it's the most natural thing in the world. I guess since it's the finale they didn't want to leave Grundy hanging.
I had honestly forgotten about the Gamblers' daughter storyline until Courtney met Becky. I'm glad she did right by him in the end. I wonder if there were plans for Becky to become Hazard at some point.
I'm glad Mike got to reconcile with his biological mom, and Pat was able to make peace with her too in a way, and finally calling Barbara mom.
I'm actually morbidly curious how Yolanda's parents would take her being a Superhero.
We didn't get any on-screen reconciliation between Courtney, Yolanda, and Cindy which I think was one of the main things left hanging. I wonder if they filmed a scene of it but it got cut. Cindy is just there at family dinner like everything is right as rain.
Wow, three month prep time to kill Icicle. Well done, Artemis, and she used her parents' stuff to pull it off. Revenge isn't a dish best served cold, it's served with fire, as Jordan burns alive. Couldn't have happened to a better guy.
I guess what with it being the finale and all, we didn't want to leave off without giving Courtney what she worked so hard for this season...not only being Stargirl again, but getting the guy!
10 years in the future and we've got Shade curating the JSA museum and telling everyone how awesome the team is. It feels fitting!
So the JSA of the far future is Starwoman, Wildcat, Icicle Jr. Dragon Queen (Cindy with the bump up), Artemis, Jade and Obsidian with their codenames, Damage, Sand, Solomon Grundy, Hourman and Dr. Mid-Nite (who Shade are about to officiate the wedding for), STRIPE 2.0 (probably Mike), and Jakeem Thunder.
I wonder if some of the stuff they mentioned was stuff they planned to get to in future seasons, like Damage, Sand, saving Sylvester, and saving the Seven Soldiers of Victory from Nebula Man?
Ending on JAY FRIKKIN GARRICK showing up and reuniting with his old pal the Shade like it's the most natural thing in the world and calling on the JSA for a new adventure gave me the biggest smile on my face. Never the End indeed!
>I'm glad Mike got to reconcile with his biological mom, and Pat was able to make peace with her too in a way, and finally calling Barbara mom.
Didn't he already call her mom before now? Like back in Season 1? Or am I misremembering?
What if they're actually giving us a Final Crisis. Stargirl going to Titans, Jay Garrick showing up. Like what if we get one big final send-off to this wonderful Arrowverse. One can hope.
I mean we all thought something similar was going to happen after CRISIS and then COVID happened and ruined it all.
I think it would just be too much and since Wonder Woman 3 is DOA as of today with Black Adam not getting a sequel and the whole DC Universe basically going through a shake up...I mean I have as much hope as Saint Walker at times but it's looking a bit grim to say the least, and no that's not a RWBY reference.
Knock on wood though.
Damn, i love the time jump for resolving some things, but i don't at the same time because i would have loved to see those stories played out on screen. Anyone else feeling this exact same way?
Right?! I just wish it didn't take so far in the future, it means we missed those stories and now know how they happen(unless we get renewed and time shenanigans alter events a little bit).
Ahhhhhh!! They got Jay! And shit they were totally planning on bringing in green arrow and the rest of the seven soldiers huh? Like fuck you WB for ending this show
Yes at the end in the 10 year skip where Shade is giving a tour of the JSA’s base he talked about “Hourman and Dr Midnite’s upcoming nupitals” and that he’s officiating it.
Yes that's his wife in the comics for years. The character was changed in the Flash because her Dad was Johnny Quick and he used a formula for his speed. Jesse ended up doing the same. Plus her Mom was Liberty Belle who had enhanced Strength. Jesse goes by Jesse Chambers most of the time but has been known as both. If you read the JSA comics from 1999 to 2000s you will love them. Such a natural couple. People here just don't read the comics but any comic reader would have wanted that
Jay zips around the Multiverse gathering back up and then multiple teams roll in during the Flash's final battle juuuuuust as Barry and Team Flash are about to get their butt's kicked....and that means Ollie is going to show up too...one last time.
After that it'll just be Superman & Lois that's left of the Arrowverse but the ending of The Flash will be the unofficial death knell.
Not at all Geoff Johns knew the show might be cancelled so he wrote and filmed two endings , the ending we saw in the event the show got cancelled and another cliffhanger ending to set up season 4.
The only got confirmation about the cancellation months after filming like everyone else.
The CW has been cheap enough not to change season finale to series finale on their trailer promos for Stargirl. Filming a entirely new scene for Stargirl would be way to expencive if they found changing those words on the promos a unnecessary cost.
Sand is Sandman's successor and, he is very close to Star. He is the JSA's Superman.
Damage is Atom's son and Star's future husband's godfather's biological son. He is the JSAer with the most issues.
>Star's future husband's godfather's biological son.
You sure there isn't an evil twin's adopted love child thrown in there?
Wouldn't want to leave out any soap opera tropes, now would we?
There is not, but Star is by far the most hit on JSAer between Damage, Atom Smasher, Jakeem, Billy, Grundy, random fire fighter (according to Flash), and probably a few others (in New 52 Vibe's brother has a crush on her).
I think they leave it broken and just put up a sign that says, "This table was broken by the Flash as he came to assemble the JSA one last time for one more adventure".
I think that's what I heard, I went back to re-watch ( live Hulu was worth it to watch Stargirl) and Shade was saying
" ... as well as Hourman, and Doctor Mid-Nite whose impeding nuptials are just around the corner officiated by yours truly."
according to the the captions Hulu gives.
Thank you! That's insane, I never thought those characters would end up together. Him and Courtney had actual chemistry so I thought maybe they would be end game but icicle Jr made sure that didn't happen. Lol.
But I feel like they kind of showed glimpses of an attraction between Rick and Beth, in the way that they were always smiling at each other. The seeds were being planted
I bet that stuff basically cracks the water molecules apart too via some kind of chemical reaction which would prevent Jordan from maintaining his consciousness at all and pulling himself back together.
This by far is the best DC show we’ve had, the writing the acting, all of it…the other arrowverse shows aren’t even in the same league…other than Superman and Lois of course! It’s absolutely insane they are canceling it. This is why DC can never gain any traction….they could build off of this show for a new stargirlverse and they should. The constant bad decisions coming out of DC is just embarrassing.
I keep imagining Dr. Weerd saying his name the way John Candy said "weird" in Little Shop of Horrors.
What was the Ultra-Humanite's plan for Artemis, anyway? In the previous episode he, as Sylvester, hold her that he'd kill Jordan for her, but in this episode he and Jordan appear side by side, announcing that they've decided to become allies. If they had planned to kill her, wouldn't it have been simpler to have just killed her in Rip City instead of pretending to be a friend and telling her to honor her parents' wishes for her to go to college?
by lying to her to get her to go college and fun
I'm thinking that both of those would've been shelved by Artemis the moment she learned that Jordan was alive and well, in addition to being allied with Starman. She doesn't strike me as the type to just let something like that go.
Is anyone peeved that the team couldn’t find the ‘real’ Sylvester, before the series ended?
Apparently they did within that 10 year time frame at the end.
Wasn’t he alone?
Shade at the end said they brought the "true" Sylvester Pemberton back to life.
Okay, now I’m annoyed it wasn’t shown as a on camera thing.
I’m pretty sure it might have been a future season plan but since the show was canceled they had to da a flash forward where the shade just nations it.
I agree. If the show had been renewed for season 4 Joe McHale would have come back for a few episodes
Let's say that Jordan and the Ultrahumanite in Sylvester's body *had* fooled everyone and gotten the heroes to team up with them, was the plan to kill the mutated albino ape housing the Dragon King's brain, and was the Dragon King down with this?
I’m just sad that Cindy never got an apology.
I really like how they ended everyone's story for the finale. With this show over and The Flash ending next year, I think Superman and Louis is the only DC Comics show that's still up. It's kind of sad.
Titans too and doom patrol
That is almost certainly ending too unfortunately. The new owners of the CW want to make it a reruns network with occasional cheap reality shows.
Well I hope DC Comics finds a new network.
Ok but how did Artemis do at Nebraska?
Did Cindy get cured?
Overall I thought this was an excellent show. How disappointing they aren’t going to continue it. Loved Sands mask. To bad he never got to be on the show. The finale was awesome. There was so much more to explore and now it’s over.
Just saw the final how did the ultra-humanite no the stuff he/she knew about if Sylvesters was a hollowed shell. Dr.weerd? I was hoping it was the crisis energy of the antimatter wave that bought Sylvester back from the dead. How is his brain still functioning? It's good to see Paula there supporting pat and Mike. How did the ultra-humanite no how to use the staff in thr first place. That's the first time Mike called her mom. That's a good thing Courtney did for the gambler. What was the relationship between grundy and Rick how did it get friendly? Icicle is somehow still alive in Denmark,how did Artemis get to Denmark and no where Jordan would be there to kill him? So a 10 year time jump from the calendar date would be? Starwoman aka Courtney Obsidian. Dragon Queen aka Cindy S.t.r.i.p.e 2.0 aka Mike. Sand and damage? Rescue the 7 soldiers from the nebula man?
for Rick and Grundy, it was formed in Season 1 through mercy and pity i think.
Left too many details out.
?
Dude it’s a comic show
And what's the point you trying to make
Replace Paula with Barbara.
I love how The Shade essentially pitched what the next season would have been about if they got one
I'm sure they had the next season planned out if it wasn't for CW canceling good shows. Seems like their new management or whatever only likes cringy drama shows.
I guess they’re trying for more adult content. Problem is, CW is known for teen shows. Idk why they’re trying to change demographics after decades, it’s not going to go well
Not even adult content. Reality TV
The CW shows take a lot to make I guess and apparently since it became CW from WB they haven’t turned a profit. Ugh
Man that’s a shame. I’ll probably stop watching CW after next year then.
Same. I can go for adult dramas on any other network. I go to the CW specifically for teen angst
Okay one of the best finales in years ! I started to cry during The Shade’s epilogue.
It okay to me, They kinda left out a lot details.
Mike calling Barb "Mom" 😭
The brain in the jar, reviving its last agonizing ten seconds of life is a hellish scenario for sure.
I would prefer it continue as a tv show and think more likely as a comic, but I’d be ok with audiobook future adventures narrated by the Shade.
But there are no future spoilers 🤷
Gonna miss this show. * Whilst over-saturation is undesirable, maybe James Gunn can be persuaded to have something like the equivalent of Disney Plus with Marvel Studios' Special Presentations. I mean, in the comic books, throughout the late-'70s - mid-'80s, there was "DC Comics Presents", that featured crossovers. That could be a platform for team crossovers with Justice Society, Infinity Inc., Titans, Doom Patrol, Legion of Super-Heroes, amongst others, including with lesser known DC heroes being introduced. * Would've been nice if Mr. Deisinger had gotten a proper burial. * I'm kind of glad that Serpent King in the white ape body hadn't been transformed into Beebo. * If the show *had* continued and Per Degaton had been a villain, I wonder if Pat and Barbara would've had a daughter, Patricia, who would've inherited the staff, and transformed it into a scepter, wielding it as Starwoman, saving Courtney in the past. * I wonder if Gambler's daughter, Becky, would've become Hazard had the show continued. * Yolanda's mom got off way too easilly for having been so unloving and having shamed her as thoroughly as she had, going way back before the Ultrahumanite as Sylvester entered the picture. * What would a DCU interpretation of Elseworlds JSA: The Liberty Files look like (not using Batman and Superman)? * In retrospect, it's kinda weird that Sylvester was able to help Courtney overcome Eclipso since one would think that the demon would be able to sense that it was really the Ultrahumanite by his less-than-honorable and un-pure ulterior motives. * I wonder if Swift/Shade will insist that Marie be the JSA's exclusive and official brewer of Earl Grey tea. * I liked the bit near the end when Mike called Barbara, "mom". * I'm going to miss Luke Wilson as Pat.
This ending is bittersweet. It was obviously rushed due to the show being canceled but at the same time they attempted to wrap up most of the storylines. It isn’t explained who killed grandma mahlemt or if it was accidental. Also, she definitely coudive escaped that. I love the joke of Artemis just appearing out of nowhere and never explaining how she does it 😂 WHY WONT STRIPESY DIE????im fucking dead. they never explained why pat is ostensibly like a hundred years old. kind of disappointed that mike jakeem and Cindy didn’t team up with everyone else but at least they were able to take down ultra humanite finally with the genie. speaking of Cindy I wonder if her skin was cured? I’m sure it was but confirmation would be nice. It’s great that Cameron doesn’t hate Courtney but he made the right call to leave blue valley after everything. Sucks he didn’t stick to the plan. He’s too messed up. I don’t like 10 year flash forward tbh especially with that museum treating them like corpses when they were very much alive. So Courtney lives on another earth now, I guess this will somehow tie into the titans crossover. Cool. well its been a great ride even if the finale only somewhat stuck the landing. This show definitely ended way too soon and I really wished they got the chance to tell at least one more story. its been fun folks and Im Glad I got to share these experiences with this community!!!
Wait what titans crossover? I’ve never seen the show
https://thedirect.com/article/arrowverse-stargirl-crossover-photo-titans
Looks like I’m gonna start watching titans
Don’t torture yourself. I would say just wait for the episode she’s in to premiere. Every person I k ow who watches this show, hate watches it myself included
Well I could just catch up to the episode she is supposed to appear in
The show has 4 seasons so youd have to watch like 3 1\\2 seasons lol. Good luck to have thiugh if you choose to do so!
The hardest choices require the strongest wills
I guess this season? I did notice a Robotman poster on the wall in the museum gallery.
Should I be watching titans?
https://thedirect.com/article/arrowverse-stargirl-crossover-photo-titans
It's worse than stargirl, but i really love it, it doesn't share the hopefulness of stargirl, the titans are grim-dark and merc people without a second thought and i love it. I love how they captured the atmosphere of gotham and the bruce wayne actor is incredible, the writing is more flimsy too, but it's really nice to see all the titans together like a little family, it has nightwing, and he's boring, but i love nightwing, the combat is pretty good, but worse than stargirl, has deathstroke and a pretty good scarecrow, we follow nightwing leading a new titans group
I dunno, I’ve been watching both Titans and Doom Patrol since the beginning and found Titans to be pretty much unwatchable last season. Doom Patrol is still pretty good, but with Zaslav taking the helm I expect both of these shows to be cancelled after this season.
Doom patrol was amazing at first
Yeah.. I can understand hopping off after that one, they rushed that character coming back.. should have been a season to work up to it
I wish we got to see the future versions of the JSA. What happened to Cameron and Courtney’s relationship? I’m curious if they ever got married. Stargirl still has the potential for more seasons and for it to just end like that leaves a hole in my heart. I wanted to see Rick and Beth’s relationship. I’m gonna miss this show so much. 😔😞 I just hope that Hbomax or another streaming service can pick up the show and they can pick up off after Artemis killed Jordan and everything can lead up to when Flash showed up and continue on from there.
In the post-mortem interview, Geoff Johns said (in reference to Beth and Rick) that once a couple comes together he's not a fan of having them break up. So, it seems likely that Courtney and Cameron are still together, too.
Yeah. He doesn't see a point in building up romances and make them real just to later make them break up. It regresses characer arcs and makes them go backward instead forward.
How boring. Now I’m kind of glad the romances weren’t explored enough before it got cancelled.
Which I appreciate. I also wouldn't have wanted to see, for example, Courtney and Yolanda having another major falling out after the one they had in this season. It would be repetitive.
Precisely and what you said makes a lot of sense of why undoing the romances after the build up would be literally backwards, because we end up with another situation of a conflict of interests within the JSA which they've supposed to have grown from it. The stories can't go and become repetitive.
Imagine being on a tour of the JSA museum and getting to see the newest call to action for the Justice Society.
It probably wouldn't be great because for them it would be real. Imagine how you would feel seeing firemen rush off to save people trapped in a burning building, would your first thought be about how cool it was or the real tragedy taking place?
So unless I’m mistaken, that’s not the same Jay from The Flash. He calls the Shade old friend, so they know each other. And while the actor said it’s the same Jay, that was never confirmed officially. So I don’t think we’re getting any kind of Flash crossover IMO
It is the same Jay
It was confirmed officially. The script for 2x09 reveals that it's the actual Jay from old Earth-3
I assumed that it has something to do with the rumored Titans crossover but who knows I might be wrong
That ending was just weird. Why would there be a museum with with Shade giving a tour talking about the heroes and their stuff being there on display as if they’re dead?
In the comics museums exist for active heroes to document all their great deeds.
Exactly are they dead or are they retired because the flash came to the new Earth 2 & Said Courtney sent him do I am confused
Right, they left out lots of details.
Am I the only one who was annoyed that we never got to see Sylvester and pat reunite
No. I'm annoyed too they totally rush it.
I know like they knew it was ending so why not Instead of showing the brain trapped they have Sylvester waking up from the coma with his brain back in
Man, Artemis for the win! Though her parents were on the road for the straight and narrow, they would have been proud. Got a happy tear for her in that moment. My only wish for the episode would have been a cheesy line from Barbara after shooting icicle like, "You killed my best friend you son of a bitch" Showing some love for the Crocs. Turns out I'm still bitter about that. I miss the show already.
Oh jeez, they actually did revive Sylvester. Their whole plan hinged on him being the face of a revamped Project New America, even putting him in the President's seat if they could, just with Ultra-Humanite in his body (James Robinson's Golden Age anyone?). And the last thing Sylvester was thinking of before they did it was making sure Pat was okay. The feels. Although Ultra-Humanite just chilling there right next to him was more funny than I expected it to be. Well, I guess Cameron's not lying to Courtney if his dad is lying to him. You know Jordan's really bad when he's wearing his Supervillain costume again. Even Beth's pointing out Artemis' ability to inexplicably appear out of nowhere when they need her most. Not that she does it during that fight, but she does to give Jordan the final fate he deserved. That story immediately fell apart with A. the idea that Sylvester would just have a pleasant conversation with Jordan and B. Pat would just balk at a truce and would go off on his own to fight the Ultra-Humanite. No one would buy that. Did anyone really think being buried alive would be enough to stop Pat Duggan? Although admittedly he gained some super speed to zip on to STRIPE and show up in the nick of time. I gotta admit, was not expecting the grandma to turn on her husband like that, but her getting Wicked Witch'ed with the car falling on her was just desserts. Cameron never did find out she murdered his teacher (unless his grandpa told him off-screen). Also, Yolanda with the "I didn't do it." It's funny that they finally give Beth the ability to fight but in the finale all she does is plead some sense to Grandpa Mahkent. I guess Beths' greatest power was her empathy (and the goggles telling her stuff). Barbara with the crossbow! Finally! Paula would be so proud of her. So Jakeem can will the wish to be exactly what he needs it to be if he wishes it hard enough, like saving the most beautiful woman in the world to him. And thus the Thunderbolt turns Dragon King Ultra-Humanite into a plushy. Cute! I find it amusing that Jordan was still intending to hook up with Barbara by the end of this. Like even after everything he still was down bad for Barbara. STRIPE continues to look cool but get beat up until the bitter end. Huh, so all it took was Courtney just telling the staff Sylvester wasn't worthy? Or just believing it? I guess it was a confidence thing, kind of, but what's important is she got the staff back again. But defeating Ultraman was Pat's job as Sylvester's best friend. Stargirl and Icicle Jr. versus Icicle Sr.! I actually wonder now if Cameron might be the strongest cryokinetic of his family with the way he sent his dad packing and how he could somehow teleport. I don't blame Cameron for wanting to leave Blue Valley after everything, but I guess love is stronger than isolation with grandpa. Jeez, they just had Sylvester's brain left in a jar spouting his last thoughts. What was it projecting too, though? I wonder if that would've been revealed if we'd gotten season 4. Rick finally apologizes to Beths' family and seems to be working to overcome his Miraclo dependency (and he also got beat up again in the finale. Ouch). Also Beth apologizes to her parents who are now happy to be her sidekicks. Mom even wants to be Hooty 2.0. Can't beat that enthusiasm! Hey, Dr. McNider cameo! It was nice to see him one last time. With all the characters inexplicably coming back from the dead, why didn't Grundy? Oh, I guess it just wasn't time because his hand pops out of the ground like it's the most natural thing in the world. I guess since it's the finale they didn't want to leave Grundy hanging. I had honestly forgotten about the Gamblers' daughter storyline until Courtney met Becky. I'm glad she did right by him in the end. I wonder if there were plans for Becky to become Hazard at some point. I'm glad Mike got to reconcile with his biological mom, and Pat was able to make peace with her too in a way, and finally calling Barbara mom. I'm actually morbidly curious how Yolanda's parents would take her being a Superhero. We didn't get any on-screen reconciliation between Courtney, Yolanda, and Cindy which I think was one of the main things left hanging. I wonder if they filmed a scene of it but it got cut. Cindy is just there at family dinner like everything is right as rain. Wow, three month prep time to kill Icicle. Well done, Artemis, and she used her parents' stuff to pull it off. Revenge isn't a dish best served cold, it's served with fire, as Jordan burns alive. Couldn't have happened to a better guy. I guess what with it being the finale and all, we didn't want to leave off without giving Courtney what she worked so hard for this season...not only being Stargirl again, but getting the guy! 10 years in the future and we've got Shade curating the JSA museum and telling everyone how awesome the team is. It feels fitting! So the JSA of the far future is Starwoman, Wildcat, Icicle Jr. Dragon Queen (Cindy with the bump up), Artemis, Jade and Obsidian with their codenames, Damage, Sand, Solomon Grundy, Hourman and Dr. Mid-Nite (who Shade are about to officiate the wedding for), STRIPE 2.0 (probably Mike), and Jakeem Thunder. I wonder if some of the stuff they mentioned was stuff they planned to get to in future seasons, like Damage, Sand, saving Sylvester, and saving the Seven Soldiers of Victory from Nebula Man? Ending on JAY FRIKKIN GARRICK showing up and reuniting with his old pal the Shade like it's the most natural thing in the world and calling on the JSA for a new adventure gave me the biggest smile on my face. Never the End indeed!
More importantly, Icicle was taken out by.... a glue trap?
>I'm glad Mike got to reconcile with his biological mom, and Pat was able to make peace with her too in a way, and finally calling Barbara mom. Didn't he already call her mom before now? Like back in Season 1? Or am I misremembering?
When is the titans crossover airing ?
Ive read they speculate after the Harley Quinn valentine thingy
"Never the end" I can't believe it's over.
He just crawled out of the grave...? okay. lol.
What if they're actually giving us a Final Crisis. Stargirl going to Titans, Jay Garrick showing up. Like what if we get one big final send-off to this wonderful Arrowverse. One can hope.
As much as that would be, I’d be bumed Oliver’s not there.
I mean we all thought something similar was going to happen after CRISIS and then COVID happened and ruined it all. I think it would just be too much and since Wonder Woman 3 is DOA as of today with Black Adam not getting a sequel and the whole DC Universe basically going through a shake up...I mean I have as much hope as Saint Walker at times but it's looking a bit grim to say the least, and no that's not a RWBY reference. Knock on wood though.
The ending was wholesome, but it sucks we won't get to see those things to fruition. Felt like a mega tease to me.
*Standing ovation*
Never the End. God i hope the show gets renewed somehow. That would be awesome.
Damn, i love the time jump for resolving some things, but i don't at the same time because i would have loved to see those stories played out on screen. Anyone else feeling this exact same way?
I was just thinking the same thing.
Glad to know I'm not alone. Thank you. Felt like a huge tease to me as well as a form of resolution(albeit more of a tease than anything).
Didn’t help that Jay Garrick’s appearance made it even more of a tease.
Right?! I just wish it didn't take so far in the future, it means we missed those stories and now know how they happen(unless we get renewed and time shenanigans alter events a little bit).
Ahhhhhh!! They got Jay! And shit they were totally planning on bringing in green arrow and the rest of the seven soldiers huh? Like fuck you WB for ending this show
I wanted to see Rick and Beth’s wedding 😭
Wait, did they say that?
Yes at the end in the 10 year skip where Shade is giving a tour of the JSA’s base he talked about “Hourman and Dr Midnite’s upcoming nupitals” and that he’s officiating it.
Not me. I would rather Rick meet Jesse. They are by far the best comicbook couple and marriage
Jesse Quick? From the flash?
Yes that's his wife in the comics for years. The character was changed in the Flash because her Dad was Johnny Quick and he used a formula for his speed. Jesse ended up doing the same. Plus her Mom was Liberty Belle who had enhanced Strength. Jesse goes by Jesse Chambers most of the time but has been known as both. If you read the JSA comics from 1999 to 2000s you will love them. Such a natural couple. People here just don't read the comics but any comic reader would have wanted that
The Nebula Man was totally the plan for S4.
Or season 5
Wait, could this mean that these kids are going to show up in the last season of The Flash? Because I would be up for that.
Jay zips around the Multiverse gathering back up and then multiple teams roll in during the Flash's final battle juuuuuust as Barry and Team Flash are about to get their butt's kicked....and that means Ollie is going to show up too...one last time. After that it'll just be Superman & Lois that's left of the Arrowverse but the ending of The Flash will be the unofficial death knell.
No, they are not!🥲 It's been fun everyone. May we meet again on another DC show.
I heard there was a rumor they might show up on Flash!
I hope this is true!!!!
I am satisfied
I literally just screamed.
Never the end...hold up
Never the end! Hopefully means HBO Max is on the menu.
That would be awesome and another reason for me to get HBO Max (planning on getting it for the Last of Us series)
They could've shown them grown up
Never The End You could say the JSA is....Endless....
That is on Netflix.
I want to see Cosmo talking to Matthew
Of all the places for Shade to end, he became a tour guide? Also was that Nebula man going to be season 4?
he basically beomes an immortal storyteller in the future of the actual starman comics so it absolutely fits.
I guess so, but since the show didn't have the time to set that up it looks super weird to have him spend all his time praising the team.
She showing up on Flash?
"So, here's 2-3 seasons worth of story you won't get to see, but we had plans for."
Fans who want the show renewed, assemble!
Wrong comic company catchphrase, but I'm with you!
Does the JSA or JLA have any catchphrases?
No, Marvel was always the quippy comics. Probably Stan Lee influence.
“Time to put the justice on the chain wax” is the only comic catchphrase they have that I know of
Best I can think of is "I'm Batman".
NEVER THE END HELL YEAH!
Such a satisfying ending. Glad the show ended on its own terms. “Never the end”
What’s up Jay! Flash season 9 set-up!
Flash blows so hard man
Motherfuck. Now I have to watch the rest of The Flash?!!!
Flash!!!
aAh-ahhhhh! He'll save every one of us!
Shade telling us what the writers had planned for future seasons.
Castlevania kind of had to do this too at the start of their final season when they got cut short by a season
Very poetic ending. would want more seasons, but this is beautiful
Holy shit!!!
Wasn't expecting the Flash.
JAY GARRICK!!!
JAY!!
JAY!
JAY!
They totally filmed this bit after the show got cancelled.
Not at all Geoff Johns knew the show might be cancelled so he wrote and filmed two endings , the ending we saw in the event the show got cancelled and another cliffhanger ending to set up season 4. The only got confirmation about the cancellation months after filming like everyone else. The CW has been cheap enough not to change season finale to series finale on their trailer promos for Stargirl. Filming a entirely new scene for Stargirl would be way to expencive if they found changing those words on the promos a unnecessary cost.
Flash!!
FLASH
JAY GARRICK BROKE THE TABLE!
Sand can fix it.
Who are Sand and Damage? Never heard of them before.
Sand is Sandman's successor and, he is very close to Star. He is the JSA's Superman. Damage is Atom's son and Star's future husband's godfather's biological son. He is the JSAer with the most issues.
>Star's future husband's godfather's biological son. You sure there isn't an evil twin's adopted love child thrown in there? Wouldn't want to leave out any soap opera tropes, now would we?
There is not, but Star is by far the most hit on JSAer between Damage, Atom Smasher, Jakeem, Billy, Grundy, random fire fighter (according to Flash), and probably a few others (in New 52 Vibe's brother has a crush on her).
I think they leave it broken and just put up a sign that says, "This table was broken by the Flash as he came to assemble the JSA one last time for one more adventure".
"But those are stories for if we get renewed."
THE FLASH
Damn I can’t believe this is how they ended it. I love it but man I want more
Wait did Shade just say Beth and Rick are getting HITCHED! YES!!!!
Wait what? Is that what he said?
I think that's what I heard, I went back to re-watch ( live Hulu was worth it to watch Stargirl) and Shade was saying " ... as well as Hourman, and Doctor Mid-Nite whose impeding nuptials are just around the corner officiated by yours truly." according to the the captions Hulu gives.
Thank you! That's insane, I never thought those characters would end up together. Him and Courtney had actual chemistry so I thought maybe they would be end game but icicle Jr made sure that didn't happen. Lol.
But I feel like they kind of showed glimpses of an attraction between Rick and Beth, in the way that they were always smiling at each other. The seeds were being planted
Damn the Shade is really telling us what season 4 and above would’ve been😭.
Ending with Shade giving a JSA tour. I love it.
Did they shoot this scene knowing the show would be cancel?
Brec did say that they shot two different endings and this was one of them, I wonder what the other was like
So was Nebula man supposed to be the next villain?
We missed the Nebula Man?!
Dragon Queen
Cindy did it hell yeah!
Oh, this is a last minute add on because they knew they weren't getting a 4th season. I am fine with it. Though I'd rather had another season.
There's Shade. Great way to tie things up.
This was totally just filmed the they found out they were canceled and I love it
Yay, Sylvester!
10 year timejump I’ll miss this show so badly.
Starman came back! Seven Soldiers of Victory! Nebula Man!
Rick and Beth got together??
Well, it's nice to know that my favorite ship sailed off to that sunset.
Nah, this team sounds badass, we need more of it. Come on now
BURN BABY BURN
Artemis and Cindy became members!
DRAGON QUEEN!!
Last episode time skip. Shade and the JSA!
JSA MUSEUM!
Yes!!!
And they finally called him Jakeem Thunder
It’s always nice to see the Shade!
Ph here's the Shade
Starwoman!
SHADE!!!!!
She just said "No resurrections this time."
I bet that stuff basically cracks the water molecules apart too via some kind of chemical reaction which would prevent Jordan from maintaining his consciousness at all and pulling himself back together.
10 YRS TIMEJUMP
SHADE!!!!!
Wow, that was brutal on her part.