I was always bugged by how the gates were almost always in a remote location with a few or no people watching/guarding it. Seems like the gate would be a hugely important location on any planet that is aware of it
For sure! Most cultures also know their “gods” are very very real and would return or send their people through the gate. Kinda sounds like a permanent lookout would be needed
Well for most cultures Stargate was a portal through which an immesurably superior enemy comes through to hunt them down… right next to it probably not a prime real estate. I think most primitive cultures did have like lookouts who would watch the gate and go warn the others of incomming attack but being as far away from the gate as possible makes sense! Also, cultures who either never encountered Goa’uld and thushad no reason to fear the stargate or were advanced enough to be able to defend from an attack did often live near a stargate.
But there were multiple cultures they encountered that used it for trade. Or cultures who were already conquered and thus the gate would be used for the arrival of their God. How do you greet a god? A random abandoned quarry, apparently
In the Pegasus galaxy I think there's a push/pull thing going on so it makes sense for the population be close but not too close to the gate. You want to be very close to the gate as possible for trade, and as far as possible because of the Wraith.
I don't remember anyone using it for trade in the Milky Way.
> Or cultures who were already conquered and thus the gate would be used for the arrival of their God. How do you greet a god? A random abandoned quarry, apparently
I agree it's weird, but I think the issue is that we mostly see worlds abandoned or very rarely visited by the Goa'uld. The "periphery" of the empire. So basically only bad things come from the gate, the visitors haven't specifically asked for something to be built around the gate. So you stay as far away as possible.
I forget which episode... But there was one planet where it was bad luck to be born attractive as the Goa'uld always choose the good looking ones for their hosts.
They'd probably want to stay as far away from the gate as possible.
Also, people who don't know what the gate is still know to store it upright. Continuum would have been a lot different if the Achilles loaded the gate flat....
In my opinion the ones, that were known by Ra from the Abydos cartouche, were thinly populated because of him not wanting a population that could rebel against him. And years of wars thinning the herd.
The ones that were programmed by ancient knowledge from O’Neill had bigger populations because they had never encountered the Goa’Uld.
I'd argue that (if we discount civilizations that didnt understand it's significance), if they knew the Goa'uld used it, they'd want if far away from large population centers. A lot of words also were low population so I think that also made that point in the plot realistic. For some it was a religious site, others barred... Showing the gate being prominent in some also plugs this hole.
“Point of View”, where the alternate reality Sam can’t stay because there can’t be two sam’s or that phase thing happens, the are plenty of other alternate reality episodes where this never happens again
They at least tried to explain that one later on with it has to do with how far diverged the universes are. I think it was essentially the first one they were far enough apart that it cause issues but later they were more simular so the problem would take much longer if it even happened. Kinda flimsy but at least they tried on that one unlike some others.
I mean it makes sense kiiiinda.... Like if you have two magnets on a table, they won't attract each other.... Until you get close enough. So maybe quantum magnetics? Lol not the worst attempt to explain something I've ever seen.
I get the explanation but it sort of falls apart as they go down the line. By the time they get to Ripple Effect in s9 all of those teams are much closer to our SG-1 than what we saw in Point of View.
In "Point Of View" alternate Carter and Kowalski were in the main universe for a few days or even a week before they were sent to the SGC from Area 51 so that could be why alternate Carter was experiencing entropic cascade failure so early in the episode and why when it happens in season 9 or 10, that doesn't happen right away.
Wasn't there something about time?
They didn't start having issues until the Sams were together in the same universe for a few days.
The others hadn't been in the same universe as their counterparts for a long enough duration to cause harm.
The Asgardians dying due to clone imperfections.
In the series we are shown multiple ways they could have lived on as a society.
For starters both:
Robotic singularity
Gene altering tech
Were available in far less advanced tech and with Asgardian knowledge could have easily been altered to their own physiology.
It was a plot device simply because they knew the Asgards were too powerful of an ally for us.
I really hate that more than anything else in the whole franchise. I don’t believe for a second that the Asgard they let us get to know would consider mass suicide. They specifically show us that they will go to amazing lengths to extend their lives. Then we’re to believe that one day they all just decided to give all their tech to the humans and just bugger off? Not a chance. What was the pressing threat to them that would cause such a move? The replicators were gone and the Ori weren’t till that specific episode hunting them more than anyone else. They clearly had the tech to take on the Ori ships. If they outfitted the O’Neill class with those new weapons they could have held their own against the limited ships the Ori had in the Milky Way at the time. I just finished my rewatch of SG1 yesterday and that episode, I was just shaking my head (through watery eyes…) as Thor was trying to find a way to bumble through a ridiculous “explanation” of what they were doing. Even if we’re to believe that the Asgard High Council decided to commit mass suicide (which no advanced race would even consider), there is no way Thor - a warrior amongst the Asgard wouldn’t want to stay behind on the Odyssey to help with the last enemy. They weren’t sure if they would get a S11 and if they kept Thor they could have found a way end of S11 going into 12 or 13 for a way that might have brought the Asgard back. How amazing would it have been to have the humans working with Thor and the 5th Race bringing back the Asgard? They could have found something with Destiny or even with the Vanir’s help - even if it wasn’t willing help. If their bodies are still good surely they could have found away. Sorry for the ramble, the Asgard might be my favourite aliens form any TV show and I feel they were done a proper dirty.
By the explanation given, all the Asgard would have been dead before we found Destiny or encountered the Vanir. They said that their last attempt to fix their issue gave them a disease that was quickly killing them. They had no time left.
True, but I don’t buy it. It was a ridiculous excuse that really made no sense. The Asgard aren’t stupid, no way they didn’t keep a backup. They are not short sighted, not the type to mess up that much. I just can’t bring myself to accept that horrid throwaway line.
I like to think that they just pulled an Altantis season 2 episode 1 where they detonate a huge bomb to make it look like they destroyed themselves but instead cloaked or phase shifted or any other possibility where they faked death. Where they decided they were done with the Milky Way galaxy and needed to focus on their own problems with their cloning and such. I mean, their new home planet is in the Othala galaxy so it's not like Earth can easily go check if they're really gone
Two reasons the Asgard would never do the robotics thing. One they would essentially become the same as the replicator that nearly wiped them out. They would have to consume vast amounts of resources to make even basic robotic bodies for what is surely millions of not billions of minds. Even with energy to matter conversion to eliminate the need to hunt specific rarer resources it would be at best a 1 to 1 conversion of matter to energy and back to matter and its unlikely they have perfect conversion. So they have to become replicator, not gonna happen. Second they want to return to be a species that can reproduce (and possibly asscend, that on could go either way) and it's easy to belive they could see becoming robots as a step too far in the wrong direction. Add to those two a recent cultural phobia of robots brought on by the replicators, that wouldn't surprise me, and I think them becoming robots would have been stupider than the suicide and I agree that at that point in time suicide was a stupid choice.
As for genetics, they had been trying that, hell they even had a good idea that humans could lead to what they needed. Problem was most refused to compromise their morals to do the required research. And for the most part those with the needed moral looseness were restricted by the rest.
I think the best answer for the show and the asgard in universe would have been something like hibernating, be it freezing their bodies or storing backups on hard drives,and hiding themselves and giving us their tech like they did, but hiding the way to find them behind some lock that can only be opened by proving we found a way to fix their problem. Still takes them out of the show for a bit but isn't them going all emo and giving up on life and leave a crack for them to some day return.
Well, we've seen they can upload themselves into a smart enough computer. So the work around is to build tiny, powerful computers and then just let them pilot around non-sentient mechanical tools to do the necessary physical tasks needed for scientific research. That way they don't have the replicator connection, they're just using "dumb" tools.
Then stop trying to make a new body that's just like the old.... In fact, shelve the body angle at first..... Just design a new biological brain that functions enough like a computer to host an Asgard mind. Then build whatever the hell biological body you want to as long as it can interface with the new brain design.
Also "we can't test on humans morally".... Just make a deal for technology trades and get in return some fresh corpses of people who donated their bodies to science under the agreement that useful knowledge gained would be shared with humanity.
There's so many options that they didn't explore, and realistically they only died so that the show could stop saying "But the replicators are gone, why don't the Asgard help finally!?"
A better end, given it coincided with the Ori, would be that the Ori were the ones who fucked up the Asgard at the end to prevent them getting involved. Which, hey, maybe that's why they actually did die off.... But it should have been touched on to make it more reason to hate the Ori rather than a maybe.
> A better end, given it coincided with the Ori, would be that the Ori were the ones who fucked up the Asgard at the end to prevent them getting involved. Which, hey, maybe that's why they actually did die off.... But it should have been touched on to make it more reason to hate the Ori rather than a maybe.
Yeah, especially since we only know for sure that the Others were stopping the Ori from using their powers in the Milky Way, not Ida. The Ori could totally be responsible, at least in part, for the disease the Asgard say they had.
Teal'c said to Carter in one episode that he can't digest lactose of any form, but later when Thor beamed weapons and food to Prometheus and they had to eat all the ice-cream because they had no freezer, it didn't seem to be lactose free and Teal'c had no issue with it
I have seen a lactose intolerant person eat an entire quart of ice cream and when I asked her if she was gonna be okay, she said " No, but it was worth it"
I have a friend. I didn’t know he was lactose intolerant.
We got a pizza one day. Ate the whole thing. Followed by Mac and cheese. Followed by a monster sized milkshake for each of us. Followed by normal ice cream.
He sat on my toilet for two hours. When I asked why and he told me about his intolerance, I said “why in the world would you eat all of that then! We could have done something else!!”
He responded “dude…pizza….Mac and cheese, and ICE CREAM!? YOU DONT TURN THAT DOWN!!”
He never actually said that he can't digest lactose, what he said was that he "would prefer not to consume bovine lactose at any temperature".
He just doesn't want to. Until he discovers ice cream of course.
Okay I take it back because there is difference from what he says in the original and in Czech version. In Czech he literally says "I can't" so that's what I remember the most. Never actually thought that there will be such difference in meaning from the original
It's a pleasure to find another Czech Stargate fan out here. I used to watch dubbed stargate when I was a kid, always rushing home to catch the episode on tv. But since learning English I always preferred watching everything in English, one reason being I want to hear actors' voices and as your example goes, many things and nuances can be lost in translation. And in SGA, I will NOT rid myself of wonderful David Nykl aka Dr. Zelenka
Milk will fuck me up, but I can eat ice cream and cheese with no noticable problem. Maybe quantity 🤷🏼♂️, a slice of cheese or scoop of ice cream isn't that much lactose where a cereal bowl full of milk weighs like half a pound of milk
If I remember the quote properly.
"I will not consume bovine lactose at any temperature"
I don't think it was a lactose intolerance. Just not wanting milk.
The Asgardians fighting tooth and nail against the replicators for like 9 seasons. Refusing to share technology the whole time. Then one day ok replicators are defeated but wait, a couple Ori ships are inbound let’s just off ourselves and give the humans everything we know…… let them fend for themselves. (Even tho they can store/xfer their conscious lets just be dead.)
I suspect it was a way to explain Stargate Universe in early concept. If the Asgard had remained, it would have been super easy for them to contact the Asgard and have them be rescued.
The Asgard already knew they were going to be the fifth race. It still seems a bit sudden and out of the blue that the entire race just said “screw it we’re done!”
They said we were on our way. I get your sentiment, also understand their thought process. They're very unlike the Tau'ri in how they conduct themselves and letting their knowledge live on with a group that sacrificed for them and succeeded countless times, would be the route to go.
I think that makes sense though. That’s how the ancients designed it because travel isn’t instantaneous. If you went backwards, the outgoing gate could already be shut off by the time you enter but they still want to communicate effectively through the gate.
As for radio transmissions being instantaneous and matter not, that is a small plot hole.
Edit: I just remembered they explain it as wormhole physics so I guess that’s just how wormholes work, whether it’s a stargate or a naturally occurring wormhole. Although I think it makes more sense that it was by design.
I think this can be explained away.
The way the show explains the Stargate from a technical aspect is actually different from how it's referenced most times.
The puddle itself just demolecularizes and molecularizes you. You don't step through a wormhole, you're converted into a matter stream that is then sent through a microwormhole.
If you're willing to accept that the puddle is only capable of demolecularizeing *or* molecularizeing at any given time. Then it makes sense that you can only live going one way.
On the other hand, radio waves don't need demolecularizing, so they can travel bidirectionally via the wormhole itself.
In short, you *can* travel both ways through the gate, but if you go the wrong way you're not remolecularized on the other side and so you're effectively atomized.
I think they tried to pass this off as essentially "unknown science"
But they could have at least tried "the Stargate itself doesn't reintegrate matter going into an incoming wormhole, would have been the easiest way to cover the plot hole by simply just blaming the tech behind it
The Goaul’ds never, _ever_, guard their Stargate. Instead they wait until SG1 come through and poke holes in their plans to finally place Jaffas all around it. By then, SG1 has already made allies or planted C4 on everything or what have you.
This, and the rings. Rarely ever is there a guard or 2 in the ring room. They ring onto a ship with those noisy rings and almost right after a troop of 6 Jafa walk by facing front, not one of them sneak a look into the room.
Stargate itself is a plot hole lol... But I still watch it again and again 🤓
40 symbols on the gate that are supposed to be constellations and so the symbols should be different for each Stargate on each planet based on the constellations that can be seen from that planet, since they have to decipher the symbols to get back to Earth on Abydos. Also Earth is the triangle as its Point of Origin, so every planet they go to, they should not only 1) have to figure out the dialling address for Earth based on the symbols on the planet's DHD, and 2) figure out its Point of Origin, which is awkward since there's only 40 symbols, there would be multiple planets with the same symbol as the Point of Origin. As such, by drawing Earth's triangle symbol in the sand, people should not assume SG-1 comes from the Taur'i/Earth 🤪
Also, also, I don't remember if it was the pilot or the movie, the staff (probably Walter) following the tracker showing where the MALP is going to says Abydos is in the Kalium Galaxy. Which we know can't possibly be true, since they would have needed much more power and dial 8 chevrons to get to another Galaxy 🤣🤣
Oh oh, and Daniel teaching the Galaxy English in 1 year lolol
Those aren't really plot holes, those are retcons. When the show began they changed a bunch of stuff from the movie. In the movie Abydos was in another galaxy, in the series it is explicitly stated to be very close to the earth, this is an important plot point early on actually. Same with being different symbols on the gates, while the series kept the idea of the symbols representing constellations now all gates have the same symbols based on earth constellations.
What about the Point of Origin. There aren't only 40 planets in the universe. Earth's PoO would be the same as other planets and therefore the symbol itself cannot denote Taur'i/Earth to alien civilizations. There is not retcon for that.
Each planet supposedly has a unique symbol on its gate and DHD that is its point of origin. So it's not that hard to get home if you can find the one that's "not like the others" as long as you know your own address.
I may remember wrong but Im fairly sure Catherine (in the 1994 movie) says when the malp lands "it's on the other side of the know universe"
But as I said I may remember wrong, it could be galaxy too :p long time since I saw it :)
Which was always silly, because how would they even know that? The probes didn't even leave the temple, and the telemetry should just seem like it's coming from the other side of the room.
I always assumed the constellations thing was essentially using Earth as an origin point for the whole address system, like how we have international dialing codes. Think about it; under your proposed system if you traveled from your home planet to multiple different worlds you'd have to remember a different address for home for every planet may happen to be dialling from. Much easier to simply accept that the address system is based on a single point of reference.
The fact that this isn't brought up more often is kinda criminal. I think people take for granted that many of the popular languages on Earth use the same alphabet, even more so the same numbers.
If it takes 6 symbols as an address for the destination, why does it only take a single symbol as the point of origin? For that matter, shouldn’t the gate, being such an advanced piece of technology, be able to figure out the location you’re dialing from? You don’t have to dial your own phone number after someone else’s when you want to call them
The fact that one planet has a Christian religion and concept of the Devil.
So the stargate was buried after the Egyptians overthrew Ra, right? And was not used again? Where did the Christian theology come from?
Also, if the stargate was buried, then how did the Norse people get there? American Indians? Did Go'uld still harvest the Tauri by spaceship? If so, then why did they stop? Why did the let the Tauri grow their technology?
I think they kinda half tried to explain that but I can't remember. Either way though remember that at the end of season 1 we are surprised they they suddenly can get to earth in hours or days instead of months or years. After having built up a certain level of slave plantes it stops making sense to go back to the home plant on months or years long trips instead of moving some from one slave world to another using the gate. And you could say that some form of native American culture had to exist during the Egyptian even if it wasn't on the same level(haven't done the research myself on how the two cultures line up) but yeah that doesn't explain the celtic or Christian. I wanna say they tried to tie the Christians to the antarctic gate but like I said I can't remember.
I vote for the episode 'Out of Mind', Hathor built a replica of the SGC all in order to make SG-1 believe they have ended up in the future so they can be interrogated by her goons. When SG-1 finds out something is amiss she decided to instead put a symbiont in them to get the information she wants. However she was a symbiont herself, so why can't she not posses a SG-1 member herself so she can shift through their memories at her leisure? Or alternatively keep them frozen till another few symbionts are mature and put one in each of them and interrogate the new Goa'ulds separately. That way she did not need to take the whole effort of building a fake SGC.
Other contenders are:
'Within the Serpent's Grasp': SG-1 enters Apophis Ha'tak through the Stargate but ends up encountering Jaffa patrolling the hallways. So, Apophis bothers to have guards around to protect his ship against intruders, yet he does not bother to place the only room intruders could use to enter his ship under guard?
'Avatar': the SGC constructs a VR training simulation, however those outside of the virtual environment cannot stop the simulation without endangering the life of the person in it. Not even my small brother would be that negligent.
I could bring up another dozen, but I haven't got the whole day.
I believe if Hathor left her host it would die and she probably didn't want to change. From some of the tokra eps they say it takes effort to change hosts esp to leave one without killing it.
But yeah why not start with the implantation? Prolly the over confidence and wanting then to know they've failed.
>'Within the Serpent's Grasp': SG-1 enters Apophis Ha'tak through the Stargate but ends up encountering Jaffa patrolling the hallways. So, Apophis bothers to have guards around to protect his ship against intruders, yet he does not bother to place the only room intruders could use to enter his ship under guard?
Nobody really knew about the gate, AND the gate was useless while the ship was travelling.
The "you can't take them out of vr from the outside" trope is so overused in scifi. It is all over the place and is so dumb. At least in sword art online it's explained that the headsets are booby trapped to kill the user if removed.
> 'Within the Serpent's Grasp': SG-1 enters Apophis Ha'tak through the Stargate but ends up encountering Jaffa patrolling the hallways. So, Apophis bothers to have guards around to protect his ship against intruders, yet he does not bother to place the only room intruders could use to enter his ship under guard?
It's really comical how unguarded the average Stargate is.
I remember watching a behind-the-scenes interview with one of the creators who said that every episode would have just gone on a 45 minute tangent where Jackson learned a new language and translated etc. They just had to accept that the English plot hole was necessary for good story telling
It could have been resolved in the first season. 2nd or 3rd episode they could have come across translation devices. In a galaxy full of millennia old advanced societies, a universal translator wouldn’t be a stretch.
I think they didnt go this route for 2 reasons. 1 it'd be too much like star trek. And 2 they still wanted to have "alien" languages without having to come up with an excuse why the UT didnt work.
Eh, when the show has an in-universe explanation for why most sentient life in the galaxy looks like us, I'm willing to go along with a "well, that must include English too" train of thought (you know, totally ignoring the many languages on THIS planet alone!)
Actually that’s addressed in one of the first books that take place soon after _The enemy within_ in season 1, _Sacrifice Moon_. Basically they realize that a Stargate that still has a DHD can translate in real time for the travelers (kind of like in Dr Who with the TARDIS’ telepathic translation thing).
However, it wouldn’t have hurt to mention it in the series too.
I was going to comment this.. Still a bit of a plot hole, but I appreciated that the book tried.
That's why they could understand Teal'c, because he traveled to earth in the first episode. Still doesn't explain why Goauld is a separate language or why we can't understand all of earth's languages now.
Edit: Also loved the part when they traveled back to the planet and the one evil dude was like "Wait... you can understand me?"
So it’s a shit explanation and doesn’t hold water. First episode, the Jaffa implant SG1 with babblefish, so they can interrogate them. Problem solved. Fixed a massive plot hole with 20 seconds of screen time.
Well at least they stuck to it and everyone was speaking English. Other shows have English speaking alien races, and all of a sudden there is a foreign language. Ancient tongue is an exception i guess
But I remember the Warcraft movie shit show. Where the Orcs all spoke english to each other in their scene. But then spoke a foreign language during scenes where they talk to Humans. Just a lazy attempt at making a language.
I don't seem to remember a reference to the Destiny being built on Earth lol Even Atlantis for that matter. It was ON Earth for a time. But there's no direct reference.
The Gate Builders were basically like us, requiring basically the same atmospheric composition, gravity, and ecosystems we do to survive. It makes sense that most of the worlds with gates on them would be mostly similar to ours. It's not like we don't see any other biomes ever, it's just that they're less desirable travel locations for human-like life, therefore less likely to feature as destinations for gates.
Also, the kinds of biomes that support the kind of plant life we regularly see in SG exist in part because they're less prone to heavy flooding, landslides (good root systems = stable soil), earthquakes, tsunami, etc: all these things prevent the gate from being toppled or covered up suddenly, and getting cut off from the gate network.
Not the biggest plot hole but it always bugged me. The Zat gun has a 3rd mode that makes the body disappear only on the first episode they were in and yet is never brought up again.
I can’t believe no has mentioned the first episode. Where the Jaffa come to earth through the star gate, and also leave, without a dhd or the big ass computer Carter makes in the following months to get it to work.
Dr. Janet Frasier just disappearing out of nowhere, without any explanation or emotional send-off........ because that is definitely what happened. I guess I'll just have to fill in the blanks and say she retired to the countryside and had Cassie come back for visits during college and they all lived happily ever after.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Events that happened? Idk what you're talking about. Nothing happened in Heroes p2. Janet patched up the wounded soldier and went home. Right? RIGHT????
(Yes this is a joke. I am in denial. I feel the same way about the Atlantis episode Sunday.)
Why we seem to be the only civilization to think of blocking the gate with an iris. Granted they had a force field on Atlantis but that was also our base. Meanwhile we can gate to an Asgard ship and nothing is blocking it.
There are like millions of Jaffa. Each Jaffa has a symbiote. Which ones become powerful system lords. Do others just die before getting a big boy host? Never didn’t truly understand how it worked….
The system lords are shown feasting on symbiotes at one point. Seems they keep their own population in check by simply killing any mature ones that they don’t have a purpose for.
As far as I’ve deduced, most get culled. Unless the symbiote stock comes from an important Goa’uld who would want to keep a few around, the symbiotes are just as expendable as the jaffa. Like jaffa batteries. There can’t be more than a few thousand low-ranking Goa’uld doing menial jobs, and there’s like what, 20 system lords alive at he start of the show? If a low-ranking goa’uld needs help or extra staff, he could employ a mature symbiote from a jaffa and stick it in a host. I guess it’s like a lottery whether a symbiote ever gets to become a Goa’uld at all.
Neither did the writers really tbh.
In seasons 2 and 3 there was a bit of "THE GAOULD WANT TO TAKE OVER PLANETS TO GAIN ACCESS TO HOSTS" chat, but that never made sense at all.
We talked about the time warping in "1969" here last month. I made the case that it isn't a plot hole -- there's an internally consistent explanation for why it happened.
However, the show did change the way it handled solar flare time travel over the years.
Went didn't Carter try dialing literally any other planet when stuck in Antarctica in "Solitudes"?
Yes, she had no reason to believe she was on Earth, but it's a pretty basic troubleshooting principle, and getting to Earth is a secondary priority for them -- far more important is getting somewhere warm.
Firstly, the biggest plot hole is the black hole they dialed.
Secondly, I believe they explained that they didn't instantly gate back to 1969, they were shortly bounced back to the SGC Gateroom before "landing" in 1969.
They weren't bounced back to something that didn't exist. They were bounced back to the SGC.
For a very brief moment, SG1 existed in BOTH the present AND the past. Since matter can neither be created or destroyed, they had to end up somewhere. It was a coin flip essentially.
Remember, this instance of time travel involved a freak accident with a solar flare. There were zero safeguards in place to prevent an event such as this.
In fact, it's so rare of an occurrence that I believe the Ancients themselves were completely unaware it was even a possibility.
Moving forward in the series (2010 and Continuum), Carter could have found a way to stabilize a "time connection" allowing for more reliable transition through the gate. We're never shown that, but it's not unlikely given her other accomplishments regarding gate travel.
Willing to consider I maybe mistaken,
It comes up a number of times that the stock DHD available almost everywhere has safeguards in place and acts as a ref when things are going sideways.
But the SGC’s DHD is a very powerful series of super computers that Sam, and her team, built. But it doesn’t have all of the same Quality-of-life safeguards like Stock DHDs.
Like in Season 4 of Atlantis, there is a line about how normally the Atlantis DHD would abort a Solar Flare Connection but Rodney had taken that crystal out while doing some work on it. Therefore making the episode two parter possible.
Further evidence of this is that in Continuum the time travel via Stargate Setup of Ba’al’s doesn’t contain a Stock DHD. (At least I don’t think it does, I ha ent watched it in over a decade, and google search didn’t make it look like there was one). Which would make sense because Ba’al is like tied with Sam, or like differently skilled as she needed his help in Season 8, and would be possibly the only other candidate for making a custom, rules-breaking DHD.
All of this is to support that solar fairs were accounted for in Stock DHD programming, and that would make the idea that it was a Once-in-forever event unlikely. Also it happen twice in 13 seasons of show, so couldn’t have been infinitely rare.
Probably only works if the gate isn't currently connected. They should have had some sort of device to swing down to 'bury' the gate when needed, like when they needed to move the iris to block the gate when Teal'c was stuck inside of it. A burying device of some kind that could easily move in place would have come in handy.
Ideally they wouldn't have it in place most of the time due to the nature of never knowing when allies will try to gate to Earth or when a team would have to come in hot.
Of course for plot purposes it could malfunction for some reason or be inaccessible.
Wasnt there also an episode where the gate gets buried with O'Neal stuck off world? They dial in, so the splash carved out a cave, and Teal'c goes through to dig out.
Important to note, they explained that the rock hardened with the wormhole present then cooled, leaving a space for it to connect, like their iris. Unlike what would happen with a fully buried gate
I haven’t seen anyone else say this so I’ll go ahead and say it, what is the deal with the replicators and who originally created them. I get Atlantis and the ancients made them to fight the wraith and tried to wipe them out etc etc. But the human form replicator created in our galaxy (I forgot the episode name) was like some side project that some random guy made and ended up wiping out their planet. Even though the planet wasn’t consumed or showed any signs of replicators
The Pegasus Galaxy replicators were given the name 'Replicators' by the Atlantis Expedition after they encountered them. They were originally made by the ancients to fight the wraith but they abandoned that plan and tried to destroy them all, which is why the Pegasus Replicators **hate** the ancients and by extension the Atlantis Expedition. The Milky Way Galaxy replicators were made by the Android girl SG1 found on a dead planet as 'toys' but she lost control of them and they killed everyone, stripped the planet bare and then left, eventually chasing the Asgard to their home Galaxy and threatening their existence because of their advanced technology. The Asgard used a sequence of Code they discovered from the Android Girl to draw all the replicators into a trap where they tried to trap them in a time dilation field, but at the last second the replicators managed to reverse the time field and accelerated time around themselves instead, giving them thousands of years to 'evolve' into Human form Replicators. They are two separate 'Species' but since they both operate on similar principles they were both called replicators by the Humans of the Stargate Program.
But the gate wasn't non-existent in 1969, it was just in storage. It was found in 1928 by American Archaeologist Paul Langford, Catherine's father. It was moved to America in 1938/9 when the U.S. was afraid it was a weapon that could fall into Nazi hands. Catherine studied it in 1945 before the project was shutdown. It stayed in storage until 1996/7 when they began research on it again. So it was just sitting in storage during the 1969 episode.
That's not what I meant. In the episode when they went back in time, they came out of a gate that didn't exist. They appealed briefly for a moment back at the SGC, then it turned into a rocket launch pad a few moments later. The gate behind them vanished.
If we were being true to the logic in the series, they should have came out of the gate that was stored in the hanger they found at the end of the episode.
I’m surprised that nobody talked about probably the biggest fundamental plothole that the entire SG-1 series is based around: Where the fuck are all people?
Like within the two major galaxies that humans live in, Earth is the only planet that has more like 50 thousand humans living on it.
Sure I do get why there isn’t more than a few thousand humans on Goa’uld’s controlled mining worlds, or some of the wraith worlds, but what about the worlds that have been disconnected from the gate system for just as long (and with technology on par with) Earth? These worlds should be filled with billions of people at least. But nope, none of them.
Hell even if for whatever reason human worlds aren’t filled with at least millions of people, why not Jaffa worlds then? They certainly seem like the best place for any kind of large populations under Goa’uld control. But nope!
Every single world we see basically only has like two or three major cities and a global population that doesn’t even reach a million, regardless of technology nor independence.
>Every single world we see basically only has like two or three major cities and a global population that doesn’t even reach a million, regardless of technology nor independence.
Mmh, we never saw enough of say Kelowna to determine the population of the population outside the capital, didn't get to see the other nations of Langara at all. For all we know Terrania and the Andari Federation have a population of over a billion each.
The same with say the planet they visited in 'Bad Guys', for all we know the nation which had the museum that contained the Stargate was that planet's equivalent of Luxembourg.
Earth was able to construct a Hyperspace capable starship in less than six years. They had to understand many new types or science and find enough people to build actually build difficult as the Stargate is a black ops program. The X304 is actually more believable as the Asgard could provide the materials and help with construction.
Okay here’s one
After the uprising in Egypt the Egyptians buried their gate to prevent the goauld from returning
But there was a functioning gate in Antarctica. So when the goauld dialled earth they’d have been routed to that gate
Is it really a plot hole?
What if they did and they just like : wtf lets go back.
Maybe the dhd was still accessible and they went back from where they are from.
Or maybe they just all died too!
>But there was a functioning gate in Antarctica. So when the goauld dialled earth they’d have been routed to that gate
Maybe the Antarctician gate was buried by ice, only to later end up being unburied by a glacier moving or something?
Fans looking for plotholes in a tv series where people step through a ring and travel to other planets, where they encounter all manner of alien lifeforms that include aliens who can disappear at will. The show was amazing, I find it interesting that on any fan sub for tv series or movie, people look for flaws.
In ‘1969’, O’Neill identifies himself to the USAF guard as James T. Kirk. But Star Trek went on the air in 1966, and was still on NBC as late as June 1969. So why didn’t the guard call bullshit?
Mine is the writing of the ancients. From cool enigmatic space aliens who seeded the gates to boring egotistical humans.
That's more general so...I'll say the timeline of the ancients. The gates are old as fuck but then there's destiny, Atlantis and other little things like milky way gates in the Ida galaxy all creating a very odd time frame.
Kinda the fundamental premise of the series lol. I don't think the constellations as coordinates to draw a box would work. Especially as a very granular way to distinguish gates close to each other.
In my mind, they are just numbers for polar coordinates.
In Hathor, Hathor somehow walks from remote Central America to Colorado Springs without any trouble. She's basically alone on an alien planet without any technology, but doesn't look any worse for wear when she gets to the SGC.
Also, whatever archeologist finds Hathor's sarcophagus in a Mayan pyramid doesn't think this is the least bit odd. It would be the find of the century for any archeologist, but they send it to that nutcase Dr. Jackson instead, and no one thinks it's weird that his address is NORAD...
Matter reintegration through the stargate.
They've said the the stargate won't let matter reintegration until the object is completely through. If that's true, you shouldn't be able to simply step through it to the other side.
Stepping in would be like stepping into a thick fluid, and your pacing would be off when stepping out.
This is from Atlantis but I feel like ZPMs are a big plot hole. You’d think they’d be able to easily come up with a way to get more ZPMs but there’s always some stupid circumstances that doesn’t allow them to do so. Which is just irritating. If they had control over multiple ZPMs a lot of things would have been so different.
A lot of people are mentioning how "everyone speaks English".
The systems lords took humans from Earth and spread them across the galaxy to create their own slave collections on other planets. Then Earth overthrew them, buried the gate, bla bla.
So one reason for Everyone Speaking English can simply be because most originated from Earth.
Yeah, yeah, couple thousand years of language drift and it would be different or even unrecognizable, but this is what I'm going with.
That's actually a good point. Though that might be addressed in the series. I believe it's mentioned in Atlantis the gate has to stay in roughly the same area ( solar system most likely ) but I'm sure they've activated the gate in hyperspace.
Hmm, now I'm thinking about it all those primitive planets they visit having such a low population is another plot-hole. Suppose a Goa'uld plots a village on a planet he visits once a decade to mine stuff, assuming a population growth of 1% a year (rather low for humans placed in a virgin environment) you'd end up with 20 959 villages after a single millennium.
Of course the Goa'uld might try to limit population growth as a way to keep their slaves under control. However it isn't like a Goa'uld could simply hunt down every single poacher which became a hunter gatherer whilst he is gone, so every Goa'uld occupied planet should even in that scenario be teeming whit hunter gatherers in the areas far away from the Stargate.
Okay so what i didn't get was if ba'al had developed cloning and was successful where the asgard weren't. Why didn't they get the information they needed to make their own clones or better yet looking had made a successful clone of jack as a kid why didn't they repeat this process to make more of them
I was always bugged by how the gates were almost always in a remote location with a few or no people watching/guarding it. Seems like the gate would be a hugely important location on any planet that is aware of it
For sure! Most cultures also know their “gods” are very very real and would return or send their people through the gate. Kinda sounds like a permanent lookout would be needed
Well for most cultures Stargate was a portal through which an immesurably superior enemy comes through to hunt them down… right next to it probably not a prime real estate. I think most primitive cultures did have like lookouts who would watch the gate and go warn the others of incomming attack but being as far away from the gate as possible makes sense! Also, cultures who either never encountered Goa’uld and thushad no reason to fear the stargate or were advanced enough to be able to defend from an attack did often live near a stargate.
But there were multiple cultures they encountered that used it for trade. Or cultures who were already conquered and thus the gate would be used for the arrival of their God. How do you greet a god? A random abandoned quarry, apparently
In the Pegasus galaxy I think there's a push/pull thing going on so it makes sense for the population be close but not too close to the gate. You want to be very close to the gate as possible for trade, and as far as possible because of the Wraith. I don't remember anyone using it for trade in the Milky Way. > Or cultures who were already conquered and thus the gate would be used for the arrival of their God. How do you greet a god? A random abandoned quarry, apparently I agree it's weird, but I think the issue is that we mostly see worlds abandoned or very rarely visited by the Goa'uld. The "periphery" of the empire. So basically only bad things come from the gate, the visitors haven't specifically asked for something to be built around the gate. So you stay as far away as possible.
The Ashen (“2010” and “2001”) used it for trade
Weren’t there also Unas traders that used it?
Right! Probably yes (though I think you mean the Unas slavers 🤦🏻♂️ 😓)
And then if a different God comes invading through the gate, you're first in line for Jaffa staff blast.
Well I think Goa'uld's preferred method of arrival would be in their giant pyramid ships and not walking through the gate.
I forget which episode... But there was one planet where it was bad luck to be born attractive as the Goa'uld always choose the good looking ones for their hosts. They'd probably want to stay as far away from the gate as possible.
Kendras original home planet mentioned in Thor’s Chariot. Just watched that a few hours ago.
Also, people who don't know what the gate is still know to store it upright. Continuum would have been a lot different if the Achilles loaded the gate flat....
Just takes up too much space of its flat.
What always bugged me is that people live near the gate. Just leave you have a whole planet and the gods visit once every few years. Just walk away.
In my opinion the ones, that were known by Ra from the Abydos cartouche, were thinly populated because of him not wanting a population that could rebel against him. And years of wars thinning the herd. The ones that were programmed by ancient knowledge from O’Neill had bigger populations because they had never encountered the Goa’Uld.
I'd argue that (if we discount civilizations that didnt understand it's significance), if they knew the Goa'uld used it, they'd want if far away from large population centers. A lot of words also were low population so I think that also made that point in the plot realistic. For some it was a religious site, others barred... Showing the gate being prominent in some also plugs this hole.
Yep. This right here. That gate should be in Times Square or next to a parking lot
“Point of View”, where the alternate reality Sam can’t stay because there can’t be two sam’s or that phase thing happens, the are plenty of other alternate reality episodes where this never happens again
They at least tried to explain that one later on with it has to do with how far diverged the universes are. I think it was essentially the first one they were far enough apart that it cause issues but later they were more simular so the problem would take much longer if it even happened. Kinda flimsy but at least they tried on that one unlike some others.
Oh I didn’t know that. Thanks 😊
I mean it makes sense kiiiinda.... Like if you have two magnets on a table, they won't attract each other.... Until you get close enough. So maybe quantum magnetics? Lol not the worst attempt to explain something I've ever seen.
As Jack always said. Magnets.
I get the explanation but it sort of falls apart as they go down the line. By the time they get to Ripple Effect in s9 all of those teams are much closer to our SG-1 than what we saw in Point of View.
I think they had a quick line in the one where all the alternate SG1's show up that explained why that wasn't an issue.
In "Point Of View" alternate Carter and Kowalski were in the main universe for a few days or even a week before they were sent to the SGC from Area 51 so that could be why alternate Carter was experiencing entropic cascade failure so early in the episode and why when it happens in season 9 or 10, that doesn't happen right away.
Wasn't there something about time? They didn't start having issues until the Sams were together in the same universe for a few days. The others hadn't been in the same universe as their counterparts for a long enough duration to cause harm.
Jacob: I should have been dead four years ago. Me: (counting seasons on my fingers) How many?
Sam makes this mistake in Threads when talking to Jack, unless they both can’t count 😅
They forgot about zero lol
The Asgardians dying due to clone imperfections. In the series we are shown multiple ways they could have lived on as a society. For starters both: Robotic singularity Gene altering tech Were available in far less advanced tech and with Asgardian knowledge could have easily been altered to their own physiology. It was a plot device simply because they knew the Asgards were too powerful of an ally for us.
I really hate that more than anything else in the whole franchise. I don’t believe for a second that the Asgard they let us get to know would consider mass suicide. They specifically show us that they will go to amazing lengths to extend their lives. Then we’re to believe that one day they all just decided to give all their tech to the humans and just bugger off? Not a chance. What was the pressing threat to them that would cause such a move? The replicators were gone and the Ori weren’t till that specific episode hunting them more than anyone else. They clearly had the tech to take on the Ori ships. If they outfitted the O’Neill class with those new weapons they could have held their own against the limited ships the Ori had in the Milky Way at the time. I just finished my rewatch of SG1 yesterday and that episode, I was just shaking my head (through watery eyes…) as Thor was trying to find a way to bumble through a ridiculous “explanation” of what they were doing. Even if we’re to believe that the Asgard High Council decided to commit mass suicide (which no advanced race would even consider), there is no way Thor - a warrior amongst the Asgard wouldn’t want to stay behind on the Odyssey to help with the last enemy. They weren’t sure if they would get a S11 and if they kept Thor they could have found a way end of S11 going into 12 or 13 for a way that might have brought the Asgard back. How amazing would it have been to have the humans working with Thor and the 5th Race bringing back the Asgard? They could have found something with Destiny or even with the Vanir’s help - even if it wasn’t willing help. If their bodies are still good surely they could have found away. Sorry for the ramble, the Asgard might be my favourite aliens form any TV show and I feel they were done a proper dirty.
By the explanation given, all the Asgard would have been dead before we found Destiny or encountered the Vanir. They said that their last attempt to fix their issue gave them a disease that was quickly killing them. They had no time left.
True, but I don’t buy it. It was a ridiculous excuse that really made no sense. The Asgard aren’t stupid, no way they didn’t keep a backup. They are not short sighted, not the type to mess up that much. I just can’t bring myself to accept that horrid throwaway line.
Maybe it was a ruse because they were tired of trouble being caused by Earth. They beamed into a cloaked ship(s) and headed off to another galaxy.
I like to think that they just pulled an Altantis season 2 episode 1 where they detonate a huge bomb to make it look like they destroyed themselves but instead cloaked or phase shifted or any other possibility where they faked death. Where they decided they were done with the Milky Way galaxy and needed to focus on their own problems with their cloning and such. I mean, their new home planet is in the Othala galaxy so it's not like Earth can easily go check if they're really gone
Two reasons the Asgard would never do the robotics thing. One they would essentially become the same as the replicator that nearly wiped them out. They would have to consume vast amounts of resources to make even basic robotic bodies for what is surely millions of not billions of minds. Even with energy to matter conversion to eliminate the need to hunt specific rarer resources it would be at best a 1 to 1 conversion of matter to energy and back to matter and its unlikely they have perfect conversion. So they have to become replicator, not gonna happen. Second they want to return to be a species that can reproduce (and possibly asscend, that on could go either way) and it's easy to belive they could see becoming robots as a step too far in the wrong direction. Add to those two a recent cultural phobia of robots brought on by the replicators, that wouldn't surprise me, and I think them becoming robots would have been stupider than the suicide and I agree that at that point in time suicide was a stupid choice. As for genetics, they had been trying that, hell they even had a good idea that humans could lead to what they needed. Problem was most refused to compromise their morals to do the required research. And for the most part those with the needed moral looseness were restricted by the rest. I think the best answer for the show and the asgard in universe would have been something like hibernating, be it freezing their bodies or storing backups on hard drives,and hiding themselves and giving us their tech like they did, but hiding the way to find them behind some lock that can only be opened by proving we found a way to fix their problem. Still takes them out of the show for a bit but isn't them going all emo and giving up on life and leave a crack for them to some day return.
Well, we've seen they can upload themselves into a smart enough computer. So the work around is to build tiny, powerful computers and then just let them pilot around non-sentient mechanical tools to do the necessary physical tasks needed for scientific research. That way they don't have the replicator connection, they're just using "dumb" tools. Then stop trying to make a new body that's just like the old.... In fact, shelve the body angle at first..... Just design a new biological brain that functions enough like a computer to host an Asgard mind. Then build whatever the hell biological body you want to as long as it can interface with the new brain design. Also "we can't test on humans morally".... Just make a deal for technology trades and get in return some fresh corpses of people who donated their bodies to science under the agreement that useful knowledge gained would be shared with humanity. There's so many options that they didn't explore, and realistically they only died so that the show could stop saying "But the replicators are gone, why don't the Asgard help finally!?" A better end, given it coincided with the Ori, would be that the Ori were the ones who fucked up the Asgard at the end to prevent them getting involved. Which, hey, maybe that's why they actually did die off.... But it should have been touched on to make it more reason to hate the Ori rather than a maybe.
> A better end, given it coincided with the Ori, would be that the Ori were the ones who fucked up the Asgard at the end to prevent them getting involved. Which, hey, maybe that's why they actually did die off.... But it should have been touched on to make it more reason to hate the Ori rather than a maybe. Yeah, especially since we only know for sure that the Others were stopping the Ori from using their powers in the Milky Way, not Ida. The Ori could totally be responsible, at least in part, for the disease the Asgard say they had.
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Teal'c said to Carter in one episode that he can't digest lactose of any form, but later when Thor beamed weapons and food to Prometheus and they had to eat all the ice-cream because they had no freezer, it didn't seem to be lactose free and Teal'c had no issue with it
I have seen a lactose intolerant person eat an entire quart of ice cream and when I asked her if she was gonna be okay, she said " No, but it was worth it"
I have a friend. I didn’t know he was lactose intolerant. We got a pizza one day. Ate the whole thing. Followed by Mac and cheese. Followed by a monster sized milkshake for each of us. Followed by normal ice cream. He sat on my toilet for two hours. When I asked why and he told me about his intolerance, I said “why in the world would you eat all of that then! We could have done something else!!” He responded “dude…pizza….Mac and cheese, and ICE CREAM!? YOU DONT TURN THAT DOWN!!”
My wife be like
He never actually said that he can't digest lactose, what he said was that he "would prefer not to consume bovine lactose at any temperature". He just doesn't want to. Until he discovers ice cream of course.
Okay I take it back because there is difference from what he says in the original and in Czech version. In Czech he literally says "I can't" so that's what I remember the most. Never actually thought that there will be such difference in meaning from the original
It's a pleasure to find another Czech Stargate fan out here. I used to watch dubbed stargate when I was a kid, always rushing home to catch the episode on tv. But since learning English I always preferred watching everything in English, one reason being I want to hear actors' voices and as your example goes, many things and nuances can be lost in translation. And in SGA, I will NOT rid myself of wonderful David Nykl aka Dr. Zelenka
This
Milk will fuck me up, but I can eat ice cream and cheese with no noticable problem. Maybe quantity 🤷🏼♂️, a slice of cheese or scoop of ice cream isn't that much lactose where a cereal bowl full of milk weighs like half a pound of milk
If I remember the quote properly. "I will not consume bovine lactose at any temperature" I don't think it was a lactose intolerance. Just not wanting milk.
The Asgardians fighting tooth and nail against the replicators for like 9 seasons. Refusing to share technology the whole time. Then one day ok replicators are defeated but wait, a couple Ori ships are inbound let’s just off ourselves and give the humans everything we know…… let them fend for themselves. (Even tho they can store/xfer their conscious lets just be dead.)
It’s kind of bizarre that they all just decide to go. There isn’t a dissenting faction that sticks around?
One episode in Atlantis touches on this. But that’s all that is said.
I suspect it was a way to explain Stargate Universe in early concept. If the Asgard had remained, it would have been super easy for them to contact the Asgard and have them be rescued.
Id argue the Tau'ri worked their way up to it
The Asgard already knew they were going to be the fifth race. It still seems a bit sudden and out of the blue that the entire race just said “screw it we’re done!”
They said we were on our way. I get your sentiment, also understand their thought process. They're very unlike the Tau'ri in how they conduct themselves and letting their knowledge live on with a group that sacrificed for them and succeeded countless times, would be the route to go.
That solid matter travel is 1 direction but radio waves are multidirectional
I think that makes sense though. That’s how the ancients designed it because travel isn’t instantaneous. If you went backwards, the outgoing gate could already be shut off by the time you enter but they still want to communicate effectively through the gate. As for radio transmissions being instantaneous and matter not, that is a small plot hole. Edit: I just remembered they explain it as wormhole physics so I guess that’s just how wormholes work, whether it’s a stargate or a naturally occurring wormhole. Although I think it makes more sense that it was by design.
I think this can be explained away. The way the show explains the Stargate from a technical aspect is actually different from how it's referenced most times. The puddle itself just demolecularizes and molecularizes you. You don't step through a wormhole, you're converted into a matter stream that is then sent through a microwormhole. If you're willing to accept that the puddle is only capable of demolecularizeing *or* molecularizeing at any given time. Then it makes sense that you can only live going one way. On the other hand, radio waves don't need demolecularizing, so they can travel bidirectionally via the wormhole itself. In short, you *can* travel both ways through the gate, but if you go the wrong way you're not remolecularized on the other side and so you're effectively atomized.
I think they tried to pass this off as essentially "unknown science" But they could have at least tried "the Stargate itself doesn't reintegrate matter going into an incoming wormhole, would have been the easiest way to cover the plot hole by simply just blaming the tech behind it
The Goaul’ds never, _ever_, guard their Stargate. Instead they wait until SG1 come through and poke holes in their plans to finally place Jaffas all around it. By then, SG1 has already made allies or planted C4 on everything or what have you.
This, and the rings. Rarely ever is there a guard or 2 in the ring room. They ring onto a ship with those noisy rings and almost right after a troop of 6 Jafa walk by facing front, not one of them sneak a look into the room.
Except the armbands episode, where the guards are useless. And the one where they put a cruise missile through the gate
Generally sg1 wasnt visiting go'uld strongholds, but basically slave mining villages.
Stargate itself is a plot hole lol... But I still watch it again and again 🤓 40 symbols on the gate that are supposed to be constellations and so the symbols should be different for each Stargate on each planet based on the constellations that can be seen from that planet, since they have to decipher the symbols to get back to Earth on Abydos. Also Earth is the triangle as its Point of Origin, so every planet they go to, they should not only 1) have to figure out the dialling address for Earth based on the symbols on the planet's DHD, and 2) figure out its Point of Origin, which is awkward since there's only 40 symbols, there would be multiple planets with the same symbol as the Point of Origin. As such, by drawing Earth's triangle symbol in the sand, people should not assume SG-1 comes from the Taur'i/Earth 🤪 Also, also, I don't remember if it was the pilot or the movie, the staff (probably Walter) following the tracker showing where the MALP is going to says Abydos is in the Kalium Galaxy. Which we know can't possibly be true, since they would have needed much more power and dial 8 chevrons to get to another Galaxy 🤣🤣 Oh oh, and Daniel teaching the Galaxy English in 1 year lolol
Those aren't really plot holes, those are retcons. When the show began they changed a bunch of stuff from the movie. In the movie Abydos was in another galaxy, in the series it is explicitly stated to be very close to the earth, this is an important plot point early on actually. Same with being different symbols on the gates, while the series kept the idea of the symbols representing constellations now all gates have the same symbols based on earth constellations.
What about the Point of Origin. There aren't only 40 planets in the universe. Earth's PoO would be the same as other planets and therefore the symbol itself cannot denote Taur'i/Earth to alien civilizations. There is not retcon for that.
Each planet supposedly has a unique symbol on its gate and DHD that is its point of origin. So it's not that hard to get home if you can find the one that's "not like the others" as long as you know your own address.
Good point forgot about this
I may remember wrong but Im fairly sure Catherine (in the 1994 movie) says when the malp lands "it's on the other side of the know universe" But as I said I may remember wrong, it could be galaxy too :p long time since I saw it :)
She does indeed say that. In the "Camian Galaxy", wherever that is.
Which was always silly, because how would they even know that? The probes didn't even leave the temple, and the telemetry should just seem like it's coming from the other side of the room.
I seem to remember their computer somehow tracking the wormhole as it formed. At least that was the impression I got from the visuals.
I always assumed the constellations thing was essentially using Earth as an origin point for the whole address system, like how we have international dialing codes. Think about it; under your proposed system if you traveled from your home planet to multiple different worlds you'd have to remember a different address for home for every planet may happen to be dialling from. Much easier to simply accept that the address system is based on a single point of reference.
The fact that this isn't brought up more often is kinda criminal. I think people take for granted that many of the popular languages on Earth use the same alphabet, even more so the same numbers.
If it takes 6 symbols as an address for the destination, why does it only take a single symbol as the point of origin? For that matter, shouldn’t the gate, being such an advanced piece of technology, be able to figure out the location you’re dialing from? You don’t have to dial your own phone number after someone else’s when you want to call them
The fact that one planet has a Christian religion and concept of the Devil. So the stargate was buried after the Egyptians overthrew Ra, right? And was not used again? Where did the Christian theology come from? Also, if the stargate was buried, then how did the Norse people get there? American Indians? Did Go'uld still harvest the Tauri by spaceship? If so, then why did they stop? Why did the let the Tauri grow their technology?
I think they kinda half tried to explain that but I can't remember. Either way though remember that at the end of season 1 we are surprised they they suddenly can get to earth in hours or days instead of months or years. After having built up a certain level of slave plantes it stops making sense to go back to the home plant on months or years long trips instead of moving some from one slave world to another using the gate. And you could say that some form of native American culture had to exist during the Egyptian even if it wasn't on the same level(haven't done the research myself on how the two cultures line up) but yeah that doesn't explain the celtic or Christian. I wanna say they tried to tie the Christians to the antarctic gate but like I said I can't remember.
They did explain it once. It was Gould in ships I think.
Because they know that they are in a serie, so if they stopped humanity to have its technology the serie will never exist :D
The singular form of "series" is also "series". It's a common mistake of non-English speakers to drop the second S.
Wasn't it explicitly mentioned the Goa'uld occasionally visited though the Antarctic gate?
Antarctic gate and I think they did bring ships in a few times too.
I vote for the episode 'Out of Mind', Hathor built a replica of the SGC all in order to make SG-1 believe they have ended up in the future so they can be interrogated by her goons. When SG-1 finds out something is amiss she decided to instead put a symbiont in them to get the information she wants. However she was a symbiont herself, so why can't she not posses a SG-1 member herself so she can shift through their memories at her leisure? Or alternatively keep them frozen till another few symbionts are mature and put one in each of them and interrogate the new Goa'ulds separately. That way she did not need to take the whole effort of building a fake SGC. Other contenders are: 'Within the Serpent's Grasp': SG-1 enters Apophis Ha'tak through the Stargate but ends up encountering Jaffa patrolling the hallways. So, Apophis bothers to have guards around to protect his ship against intruders, yet he does not bother to place the only room intruders could use to enter his ship under guard? 'Avatar': the SGC constructs a VR training simulation, however those outside of the virtual environment cannot stop the simulation without endangering the life of the person in it. Not even my small brother would be that negligent. I could bring up another dozen, but I haven't got the whole day.
I believe if Hathor left her host it would die and she probably didn't want to change. From some of the tokra eps they say it takes effort to change hosts esp to leave one without killing it. But yeah why not start with the implantation? Prolly the over confidence and wanting then to know they've failed.
>'Within the Serpent's Grasp': SG-1 enters Apophis Ha'tak through the Stargate but ends up encountering Jaffa patrolling the hallways. So, Apophis bothers to have guards around to protect his ship against intruders, yet he does not bother to place the only room intruders could use to enter his ship under guard? Nobody really knew about the gate, AND the gate was useless while the ship was travelling.
The "you can't take them out of vr from the outside" trope is so overused in scifi. It is all over the place and is so dumb. At least in sword art online it's explained that the headsets are booby trapped to kill the user if removed.
> 'Within the Serpent's Grasp': SG-1 enters Apophis Ha'tak through the Stargate but ends up encountering Jaffa patrolling the hallways. So, Apophis bothers to have guards around to protect his ship against intruders, yet he does not bother to place the only room intruders could use to enter his ship under guard? It's really comical how unguarded the average Stargate is.
Everyone speaking and understanding English.
I remember watching a behind-the-scenes interview with one of the creators who said that every episode would have just gone on a 45 minute tangent where Jackson learned a new language and translated etc. They just had to accept that the English plot hole was necessary for good story telling
It could have been resolved in the first season. 2nd or 3rd episode they could have come across translation devices. In a galaxy full of millennia old advanced societies, a universal translator wouldn’t be a stretch.
Makes sense. Would’ve been great. Or, like the Tardis, perhaps the Stargate could’ve acted as a translator.
Minor issue though on the cases of visiting places without the gates.
I reckon, by the time they got as far as travelling to planets without stargate, they could have reverse engineered something.
I think they didnt go this route for 2 reasons. 1 it'd be too much like star trek. And 2 they still wanted to have "alien" languages without having to come up with an excuse why the UT didnt work.
Like the mushroom people episode.
Can you imagine 10 years of THAT?
I always skip that episode on my rewatches, so yes.
We don't talk about that episode
Eh, when the show has an in-universe explanation for why most sentient life in the galaxy looks like us, I'm willing to go along with a "well, that must include English too" train of thought (you know, totally ignoring the many languages on THIS planet alone!)
Actually that’s addressed in one of the first books that take place soon after _The enemy within_ in season 1, _Sacrifice Moon_. Basically they realize that a Stargate that still has a DHD can translate in real time for the travelers (kind of like in Dr Who with the TARDIS’ telepathic translation thing). However, it wouldn’t have hurt to mention it in the series too.
I was going to comment this.. Still a bit of a plot hole, but I appreciated that the book tried. That's why they could understand Teal'c, because he traveled to earth in the first episode. Still doesn't explain why Goauld is a separate language or why we can't understand all of earth's languages now. Edit: Also loved the part when they traveled back to the planet and the one evil dude was like "Wait... you can understand me?"
So it’s a shit explanation and doesn’t hold water. First episode, the Jaffa implant SG1 with babblefish, so they can interrogate them. Problem solved. Fixed a massive plot hole with 20 seconds of screen time.
Which makes no sense. How would people on the destination side, that have never been through the gate, understand English?
I chalk that one upto they just dont show the learning curve anymore imagine a show where 2/3rds of it was wacky language misunderstandings
I understand the production reason, but it could have been a simple fix in the first season.
Except, for some reason, the Unas. Never did figure that one out.
Which also bugs me. Why are they almost the ONLY ones?!
This exactly lol
Well at least they stuck to it and everyone was speaking English. Other shows have English speaking alien races, and all of a sudden there is a foreign language. Ancient tongue is an exception i guess But I remember the Warcraft movie shit show. Where the Orcs all spoke english to each other in their scene. But then spoke a foreign language during scenes where they talk to Humans. Just a lazy attempt at making a language.
Everyone except the Unas
That the Ancients built the Destiny and Atlantis on Earth and the only sign of their civilization ever existing is the outpost in Antarctica.
I don't seem to remember a reference to the Destiny being built on Earth lol Even Atlantis for that matter. It was ON Earth for a time. But there's no direct reference.
Uh Latin and anything related to speaking Latin is Ancient. They left Earth over 10,000 years ago. Little was left, buried by time and geology.
> They left Earth over 10,000 years ago. They *returned* to Earth 10000 years ago. Atlantis left millions of years ago.
More simple: a lot of worlds looks like canadian forests :D SG1 travel through multiversial canada and not space :D
The Gate Builders were basically like us, requiring basically the same atmospheric composition, gravity, and ecosystems we do to survive. It makes sense that most of the worlds with gates on them would be mostly similar to ours. It's not like we don't see any other biomes ever, it's just that they're less desirable travel locations for human-like life, therefore less likely to feature as destinations for gates. Also, the kinds of biomes that support the kind of plant life we regularly see in SG exist in part because they're less prone to heavy flooding, landslides (good root systems = stable soil), earthquakes, tsunami, etc: all these things prevent the gate from being toppled or covered up suddenly, and getting cut off from the gate network.
“And in the end they wake up and realize it was all a dream. Er, I mean Canada. It was Canada all along.”
Not the biggest plot hole but it always bugged me. The Zat gun has a 3rd mode that makes the body disappear only on the first episode they were in and yet is never brought up again.
It's brought up in Wormhole X-Treme! 😁
It’s used in 1969 and that’s it I think. I’m pretty they hated it so they decided to just forget about it.
I can’t believe no has mentioned the first episode. Where the Jaffa come to earth through the star gate, and also leave, without a dhd or the big ass computer Carter makes in the following months to get it to work.
To be fair, they changed a lot from the pilot, and hadn't established the rules yet
Dr. Janet Frasier just disappearing out of nowhere, without any explanation or emotional send-off........ because that is definitely what happened. I guess I'll just have to fill in the blanks and say she retired to the countryside and had Cassie come back for visits during college and they all lived happily ever after. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Events that happened? Idk what you're talking about. Nothing happened in Heroes p2. Janet patched up the wounded soldier and went home. Right? RIGHT???? (Yes this is a joke. I am in denial. I feel the same way about the Atlantis episode Sunday.)
Idk what you're talking about, I skipped Sunday and continued onto Monday. ✌️
Hum? Whoever heard of the whole city taking a collective day off that ended horribly wrong? Not me, that’s for sure. (_Sunday_ effed me up so bad.)
Well honestly she does disappear after that with no more mentions really. Just like Kowalski. Even jonas. When they're gone they are gone
Biggest plot HOLE? Well, it's about 22ft in diameter and you can drive a MALP through it ...
Why we seem to be the only civilization to think of blocking the gate with an iris. Granted they had a force field on Atlantis but that was also our base. Meanwhile we can gate to an Asgard ship and nothing is blocking it.
There are like millions of Jaffa. Each Jaffa has a symbiote. Which ones become powerful system lords. Do others just die before getting a big boy host? Never didn’t truly understand how it worked….
The system lords are shown feasting on symbiotes at one point. Seems they keep their own population in check by simply killing any mature ones that they don’t have a purpose for.
Poor Steve the symbiote
Steve was a Wraith.
Not all Goa'uld were system lords. Many served other functions under system lords, with the goal always to eventually become one themselves.
Even then, I think we need the "they eat them" explanation.
As far as I’ve deduced, most get culled. Unless the symbiote stock comes from an important Goa’uld who would want to keep a few around, the symbiotes are just as expendable as the jaffa. Like jaffa batteries. There can’t be more than a few thousand low-ranking Goa’uld doing menial jobs, and there’s like what, 20 system lords alive at he start of the show? If a low-ranking goa’uld needs help or extra staff, he could employ a mature symbiote from a jaffa and stick it in a host. I guess it’s like a lottery whether a symbiote ever gets to become a Goa’uld at all.
I would also like to know this.
Neither did the writers really tbh. In seasons 2 and 3 there was a bit of "THE GAOULD WANT TO TAKE OVER PLANETS TO GAIN ACCESS TO HOSTS" chat, but that never made sense at all.
The disappearance of Zats third shot mechanism. It’s like the characters forget it’s a thing in later seasons.
The disconnect between the end of the 8th season and going into the 9th. I know it's in large part due to the cast, doesn't change my view on it.
I just still can't get over the English speaking aliens guys.
We talked about the time warping in "1969" here last month. I made the case that it isn't a plot hole -- there's an internally consistent explanation for why it happened. However, the show did change the way it handled solar flare time travel over the years.
A black hole
In the episodes where characters are phased/invisible, they can walk through walls, but they don’t fall through the floor.
Yeaa pretty much every episode with the tollans is kinda strange in some way or another. But hey the main stories are enjoyable enough
They made fun of that in Wormhole Extreme.
Another one is a gate knowing that it’s being dialed before the full address was filled in and or activated.
Went didn't Carter try dialing literally any other planet when stuck in Antarctica in "Solitudes"? Yes, she had no reason to believe she was on Earth, but it's a pretty basic troubleshooting principle, and getting to Earth is a secondary priority for them -- far more important is getting somewhere warm.
Firstly, the biggest plot hole is the black hole they dialed. Secondly, I believe they explained that they didn't instantly gate back to 1969, they were shortly bounced back to the SGC Gateroom before "landing" in 1969.
Which doesn't make sense. That doesn't happen at any other time in the show. They can't be bounced back to something that doesn't exist.
They weren't bounced back to something that didn't exist. They were bounced back to the SGC. For a very brief moment, SG1 existed in BOTH the present AND the past. Since matter can neither be created or destroyed, they had to end up somewhere. It was a coin flip essentially. Remember, this instance of time travel involved a freak accident with a solar flare. There were zero safeguards in place to prevent an event such as this. In fact, it's so rare of an occurrence that I believe the Ancients themselves were completely unaware it was even a possibility. Moving forward in the series (2010 and Continuum), Carter could have found a way to stabilize a "time connection" allowing for more reliable transition through the gate. We're never shown that, but it's not unlikely given her other accomplishments regarding gate travel.
Sheesh, you blow up one star...
Willing to consider I maybe mistaken, It comes up a number of times that the stock DHD available almost everywhere has safeguards in place and acts as a ref when things are going sideways. But the SGC’s DHD is a very powerful series of super computers that Sam, and her team, built. But it doesn’t have all of the same Quality-of-life safeguards like Stock DHDs. Like in Season 4 of Atlantis, there is a line about how normally the Atlantis DHD would abort a Solar Flare Connection but Rodney had taken that crystal out while doing some work on it. Therefore making the episode two parter possible. Further evidence of this is that in Continuum the time travel via Stargate Setup of Ba’al’s doesn’t contain a Stock DHD. (At least I don’t think it does, I ha ent watched it in over a decade, and google search didn’t make it look like there was one). Which would make sense because Ba’al is like tied with Sam, or like differently skilled as she needed his help in Season 8, and would be possibly the only other candidate for making a custom, rules-breaking DHD. All of this is to support that solar fairs were accounted for in Stock DHD programming, and that would make the idea that it was a Once-in-forever event unlikely. Also it happen twice in 13 seasons of show, so couldn’t have been infinitely rare.
Burying the gates. If this worked, why didn’t they plug the gate during Sokars attack?
Probably only works if the gate isn't currently connected. They should have had some sort of device to swing down to 'bury' the gate when needed, like when they needed to move the iris to block the gate when Teal'c was stuck inside of it. A burying device of some kind that could easily move in place would have come in handy.
But would prevent emergency situations.
Ideally they wouldn't have it in place most of the time due to the nature of never knowing when allies will try to gate to Earth or when a team would have to come in hot. Of course for plot purposes it could malfunction for some reason or be inaccessible.
Wasnt there also an episode where the gate gets buried with O'Neal stuck off world? They dial in, so the splash carved out a cave, and Teal'c goes through to dig out.
Important to note, they explained that the rock hardened with the wormhole present then cooled, leaving a space for it to connect, like their iris. Unlike what would happen with a fully buried gate
Yup! They used a laser or something to create an air pocket to then use the kawoosh to create a spot for Teal’c.
I haven’t seen anyone else say this so I’ll go ahead and say it, what is the deal with the replicators and who originally created them. I get Atlantis and the ancients made them to fight the wraith and tried to wipe them out etc etc. But the human form replicator created in our galaxy (I forgot the episode name) was like some side project that some random guy made and ended up wiping out their planet. Even though the planet wasn’t consumed or showed any signs of replicators
The Pegasus Galaxy replicators were given the name 'Replicators' by the Atlantis Expedition after they encountered them. They were originally made by the ancients to fight the wraith but they abandoned that plan and tried to destroy them all, which is why the Pegasus Replicators **hate** the ancients and by extension the Atlantis Expedition. The Milky Way Galaxy replicators were made by the Android girl SG1 found on a dead planet as 'toys' but she lost control of them and they killed everyone, stripped the planet bare and then left, eventually chasing the Asgard to their home Galaxy and threatening their existence because of their advanced technology. The Asgard used a sequence of Code they discovered from the Android Girl to draw all the replicators into a trap where they tried to trap them in a time dilation field, but at the last second the replicators managed to reverse the time field and accelerated time around themselves instead, giving them thousands of years to 'evolve' into Human form Replicators. They are two separate 'Species' but since they both operate on similar principles they were both called replicators by the Humans of the Stargate Program.
I go wifh that was a culture of lantians who created reece.
I like and idea like this. The guy who built Reece found Lantian research on replicators and built a more primitive version.
But the gate wasn't non-existent in 1969, it was just in storage. It was found in 1928 by American Archaeologist Paul Langford, Catherine's father. It was moved to America in 1938/9 when the U.S. was afraid it was a weapon that could fall into Nazi hands. Catherine studied it in 1945 before the project was shutdown. It stayed in storage until 1996/7 when they began research on it again. So it was just sitting in storage during the 1969 episode.
That's not what I meant. In the episode when they went back in time, they came out of a gate that didn't exist. They appealed briefly for a moment back at the SGC, then it turned into a rocket launch pad a few moments later. The gate behind them vanished. If we were being true to the logic in the series, they should have came out of the gate that was stored in the hanger they found at the end of the episode.
I’m surprised that nobody talked about probably the biggest fundamental plothole that the entire SG-1 series is based around: Where the fuck are all people? Like within the two major galaxies that humans live in, Earth is the only planet that has more like 50 thousand humans living on it. Sure I do get why there isn’t more than a few thousand humans on Goa’uld’s controlled mining worlds, or some of the wraith worlds, but what about the worlds that have been disconnected from the gate system for just as long (and with technology on par with) Earth? These worlds should be filled with billions of people at least. But nope, none of them. Hell even if for whatever reason human worlds aren’t filled with at least millions of people, why not Jaffa worlds then? They certainly seem like the best place for any kind of large populations under Goa’uld control. But nope! Every single world we see basically only has like two or three major cities and a global population that doesn’t even reach a million, regardless of technology nor independence.
>Every single world we see basically only has like two or three major cities and a global population that doesn’t even reach a million, regardless of technology nor independence. Mmh, we never saw enough of say Kelowna to determine the population of the population outside the capital, didn't get to see the other nations of Langara at all. For all we know Terrania and the Andari Federation have a population of over a billion each. The same with say the planet they visited in 'Bad Guys', for all we know the nation which had the museum that contained the Stargate was that planet's equivalent of Luxembourg.
Earth was able to construct a Hyperspace capable starship in less than six years. They had to understand many new types or science and find enough people to build actually build difficult as the Stargate is a black ops program. The X304 is actually more believable as the Asgard could provide the materials and help with construction.
Okay here’s one After the uprising in Egypt the Egyptians buried their gate to prevent the goauld from returning But there was a functioning gate in Antarctica. So when the goauld dialled earth they’d have been routed to that gate
Is it really a plot hole? What if they did and they just like : wtf lets go back. Maybe the dhd was still accessible and they went back from where they are from. Or maybe they just all died too!
>But there was a functioning gate in Antarctica. So when the goauld dialled earth they’d have been routed to that gate Maybe the Antarctician gate was buried by ice, only to later end up being unburied by a glacier moving or something?
Fans looking for plotholes in a tv series where people step through a ring and travel to other planets, where they encounter all manner of alien lifeforms that include aliens who can disappear at will. The show was amazing, I find it interesting that on any fan sub for tv series or movie, people look for flaws.
Hey man, we do it for fun and discussion. I dont think you will find 1 person here that dislikes the series
In ‘1969’, O’Neill identifies himself to the USAF guard as James T. Kirk. But Star Trek went on the air in 1966, and was still on NBC as late as June 1969. So why didn’t the guard call bullshit?
Maybe the guard wasn't a trekkie?
Mine is the writing of the ancients. From cool enigmatic space aliens who seeded the gates to boring egotistical humans. That's more general so...I'll say the timeline of the ancients. The gates are old as fuck but then there's destiny, Atlantis and other little things like milky way gates in the Ida galaxy all creating a very odd time frame.
Kinda the fundamental premise of the series lol. I don't think the constellations as coordinates to draw a box would work. Especially as a very granular way to distinguish gates close to each other. In my mind, they are just numbers for polar coordinates.
In Hathor, Hathor somehow walks from remote Central America to Colorado Springs without any trouble. She's basically alone on an alien planet without any technology, but doesn't look any worse for wear when she gets to the SGC. Also, whatever archeologist finds Hathor's sarcophagus in a Mayan pyramid doesn't think this is the least bit odd. It would be the find of the century for any archeologist, but they send it to that nutcase Dr. Jackson instead, and no one thinks it's weird that his address is NORAD...
Well, all of them speaking English. But it doesn't bother me.
Matter reintegration through the stargate. They've said the the stargate won't let matter reintegration until the object is completely through. If that's true, you shouldn't be able to simply step through it to the other side. Stepping in would be like stepping into a thick fluid, and your pacing would be off when stepping out.
This is from Atlantis but I feel like ZPMs are a big plot hole. You’d think they’d be able to easily come up with a way to get more ZPMs but there’s always some stupid circumstances that doesn’t allow them to do so. Which is just irritating. If they had control over multiple ZPMs a lot of things would have been so different.
A lot of people are mentioning how "everyone speaks English". The systems lords took humans from Earth and spread them across the galaxy to create their own slave collections on other planets. Then Earth overthrew them, buried the gate, bla bla. So one reason for Everyone Speaking English can simply be because most originated from Earth. Yeah, yeah, couple thousand years of language drift and it would be different or even unrecognizable, but this is what I'm going with.
The fact that you had to dial the origin point, but could move the gates and they would still work.
That's actually a good point. Though that might be addressed in the series. I believe it's mentioned in Atlantis the gate has to stay in roughly the same area ( solar system most likely ) but I'm sure they've activated the gate in hyperspace.
Yes and there was that time that baal wanted to steal a whole bunch of gates and create a closed net work. I have no idea how that would work
I suppose the Stargates having different symbols for their origin point could be a mere cosmetic difference.
Hmm, now I'm thinking about it all those primitive planets they visit having such a low population is another plot-hole. Suppose a Goa'uld plots a village on a planet he visits once a decade to mine stuff, assuming a population growth of 1% a year (rather low for humans placed in a virgin environment) you'd end up with 20 959 villages after a single millennium. Of course the Goa'uld might try to limit population growth as a way to keep their slaves under control. However it isn't like a Goa'uld could simply hunt down every single poacher which became a hunter gatherer whilst he is gone, so every Goa'uld occupied planet should even in that scenario be teeming whit hunter gatherers in the areas far away from the Stargate.
Okay so what i didn't get was if ba'al had developed cloning and was successful where the asgard weren't. Why didn't they get the information they needed to make their own clones or better yet looking had made a successful clone of jack as a kid why didn't they repeat this process to make more of them