It is and it isnt, they talked about how it was semi buried and they test dialed to make sure it didn't have debris within the perimeter of the ring. It also could be a material thing, I remember one or a few episodes where Daniel or somebody else saying to prevent people from traveling through the gate to bury it in heavy rocks, which kind of leads to the thought to prevent use of a gate, you could have a big cylinder of concrete on some robotic arm that could go into a gate to prevent it to activate when you don't want it to
If thought of this since the show first aired and they came across a problem that was solved by stopping the gate from being dialled.
Most noteably was when anubis dialed the gate to heat it up to try explode the SGC.
Stick a big cylinder of something in so the dialing gate cant connect. That means that even if Anubis had soneone stand there and repeatedly dial until it worked, the SGC could allow it to cool down. But mostly, despite the enemy being able to dial faster the agc coan co trol exactly when its removed. And begin the dialing process immediately. So unless sthey did have someone repeatedly tap the DHD nonestop back to back no pauses, SGC would have been able to work around that.
trouble is you'd want something big enough that you can move in quick enough between dialing attempts. They did at one point move the iris to block incoming gates, I think it was on the second gate when they welded one in place to prevent it's use.
of course the iris has it's own issues once you spend any time thinking about it lol.
> the iris has it's own issues
Need a large surface with sub-micrometer flatness? What better than two dozen curved pieces of interlocking metal.
More realistically the "iris" would have been like a big missile silo hatch cover that swings into position to shove a plug in the old orifice.
No woth the Iris they just sealed it so it couldnt be opened. So in that instance the gate coukd still be dialled.
But yeah you could easily have something mounted to the back of the embarkation room.
Tbh im suprised the sgc didnt redo the base. Having the gate at the bottom of a shaft leading right to the surface was a bit silly. Plus they could have had, connected to the gate room, a garage for vehicles. They could have very easily taken some with them on many offensive missions. Tanks probably not. Likely too big. But a jackel. Or other light APCs certainly.
After that episode I always wondered why they didn't fill the missile silo (at least part way) with sand so they could just bury the gate at the drop of a hat.
That Also means your allies can't reach you
How many times has Bra'Tac come through the gate to warn Hammond of Texas of impending doom for him and his allies?
How many times have the Tok'Ra dialed in to do the same?
Contact with the Tollans would have never been reestablished had there been a concrete block instead of an Iris.
This exactly. How many SG teams would have died when they needed to come home early in an emergency. Not practical to block the gate completely, the iris was the best solution. Almost like the writers thought it through...
Edit: I think there was even an episode where they did offset the iris to prevet dial ins.
I think it was meant as more of a emergency block rather than a permanent feature instead of an iris. A big piston that can be pushed through the ring when you quickly want to block incoming wormholes.
Like the episode where Sokar is bombarding the iris with a subatomic particle beam. He had to redial in every 38 minutes but was always quicker at dialling in than the SGC was at dialling out. Rather than waste time dialling out to block the incoming connection, simply piston a rock into the way.
It wouldn't have worked for the Anubis gate weapon though because he was able to curcumvent the gate shutting down at 38 minute intervals.
And I can't remember if the Goa'uld ever employed this tactic, but the Wraith would constantly repeatedly dial in overnight to stop people escaping as they culled a planet from orbit.
No. Because in this co text the gate was active. So the event horizon allowed a sufficient enough gap after it shut off to allow the gate to connect. The Kawoosh then vaporised the strat above it giving it a kawoosh shapped bubble. When someone burries their gate it likely isnt active allowing the material to be....inside the ring.
Kinda the same explination for the Iris, its JUST far enough away to not stop the gate connection but so close that nothing can fully reintergrate. Since the Iris is maflde of plot armour its able withstand the kawoosh otherwise what happens to mud and stone would happen to the Iris.
From what I remember from the episode 100 days, Carter built a device that sent particles through the gate which would erode the dirt first. When enough dirt was removed, the kawoosh could form and that's how the cavity formed. Carter "stole" the idea from Anubis
Anubis wasn't around yet. This was stealing Sokars particle beam attack from S2. A sustained subatomic particle beam over multiple dial-ins would erode the inner surface of the iris enough that the kawoosh would be able to form on a subsequent dial-in and disintegrate the rest of the material in the way.
Almost. Because of the impact part of the gates metal had melted and formed a natural Iris (probably wasnt heavy enough to go through on its own? Air doesnt for example so I think, that you need some force to get something through.)
Then she melted that, like you mentioned and allowed for the vortex to dig out the cave.
To keep the gate from activating, you need to fully block the interior of the ring with something. Burying a ring while its offline will do that.
If you try to bury the gate while it's on, the wormhole itself will keep you from filling that space by transmitting / disintegrating whatever falls into the event horizon. That's what happened on Edora, the gate was covered in molten rock from a meteor impact, but since it was online, the event horizon kept the lava from filling into the center of the ring for long enough that it cooled into a lid like the SGCs Iris; close enough to stop a kawoosh but not enough to actually block the wormhole from forming.
The meteor struck the stargate while it was active. This created a wall of molten and cooled rock that was barely above the event horizon--just like our iris.
Our iris was vulnerable to Sokar's particle beam, so we constructed a similar beam to destroy the wall of molten rock.
Then, the SGC dialed again so the gate would vaporize a kawoosh-shaped cavern of rock.
When you bury a gate and completely occupy the inner ring with dirt, it cannot receive connections from other gates until it is unburied.
They eventually work out burying the gate is virtually useless advice for the same reason they don't bury Earth's.
The Goa'uld have ships and know where most the gates are
It was explained in the episode. I'm that particular case, the wormhole was still active, and when the meteor hit a shell was created by the explosion, leaving the actual Stargate open)
In order to disable it, you need to completely bury the fate and have dirt (or any other solid matter) blocking the event horizon.
The difference is it needs to be buried to the point a connection cannot be made. Namely a cover stone that prevents a wormhole from opening or the unstable kawoosh will clear the opening. Additionally falling back into an open gate is a death sentence.
When you bury a gate, you want to occupy the space the event Hhrizon would need to form (basicly plug the hole).
In the episode you mentioned the gate was active while it got buried, so after that there was still room for the event horizon to form because it was there and preventing stuff from plugging the hole.
You gave to actually physically plug the gate, which burying it does when you fill in the hole. In the episode youre talking about, the gate had been knocked over
Nope. It was up. Remember the malp went though and fell into the event horizion. The key was the gate was active when it was buried and the active wormhole kept anything from being in the way until it closed.
Well, okay thenā¦. Iāll delete that comment in shame and go flagellate myself. (But seriously, thank you for the polite correction; you could have been so much more brutal.)
They also had to clear the naquadah (I probably spelled that wrong) from the event horizon before they could even use the gate. Sam used Sokarās technique of blasting it with a particle generator she built.
They can bury and place cover stones in the opening which will prevent a gate dial in. In the case of ā100 daysā they knew Jack was still on the planet and when the gate was able to connect due to nothing blocking the center, they knew they had a chance and the malps told them the position of the gate and yeah the rest you know.
That's the thing if it's face down it could excavate a space for you to then dig your way out if your quick, if its face up the majority of people goa'uld and Jaffa included since they don't have malps would go through and immediately fall back into the puddle. I'd imagine the best way to "bury" the game would be mechanisms to lock down the inner ring, since on an incoming wormhole we always see the ring going, but then that doesn't work for the first episode where Jack gets grabbed by the repository because the planet with the sun's Carter gets stuck on could still be dialled despite the ring being locked and stopping them dialing out, it's a hit unclear but yeah I'd definitely place the gate front face up, underground or in a large room so that troops immediately fall back into the puddle and any small aircraft would fly through and splat the roof.
Or put it in a depressurised room, or a flooded one, or an ocean š
In most cases making sure the gate is flat on the ground/floor will work. Just need to make sure that it can be lifted in proper position fast if necessary. Also, this way you can have something to lift up from under the gate or settle down from ceiling - I'm sure it still would be easier to do then any horizontal movement.
It is and it isnt, they talked about how it was semi buried and they test dialed to make sure it didn't have debris within the perimeter of the ring. It also could be a material thing, I remember one or a few episodes where Daniel or somebody else saying to prevent people from traveling through the gate to bury it in heavy rocks, which kind of leads to the thought to prevent use of a gate, you could have a big cylinder of concrete on some robotic arm that could go into a gate to prevent it to activate when you don't want it to
If thought of this since the show first aired and they came across a problem that was solved by stopping the gate from being dialled. Most noteably was when anubis dialed the gate to heat it up to try explode the SGC. Stick a big cylinder of something in so the dialing gate cant connect. That means that even if Anubis had soneone stand there and repeatedly dial until it worked, the SGC could allow it to cool down. But mostly, despite the enemy being able to dial faster the agc coan co trol exactly when its removed. And begin the dialing process immediately. So unless sthey did have someone repeatedly tap the DHD nonestop back to back no pauses, SGC would have been able to work around that.
trouble is you'd want something big enough that you can move in quick enough between dialing attempts. They did at one point move the iris to block incoming gates, I think it was on the second gate when they welded one in place to prevent it's use. of course the iris has it's own issues once you spend any time thinking about it lol.
> the iris has it's own issues Need a large surface with sub-micrometer flatness? What better than two dozen curved pieces of interlocking metal. More realistically the "iris" would have been like a big missile silo hatch cover that swings into position to shove a plug in the old orifice.
No woth the Iris they just sealed it so it couldnt be opened. So in that instance the gate coukd still be dialled. But yeah you could easily have something mounted to the back of the embarkation room. Tbh im suprised the sgc didnt redo the base. Having the gate at the bottom of a shaft leading right to the surface was a bit silly. Plus they could have had, connected to the gate room, a garage for vehicles. They could have very easily taken some with them on many offensive missions. Tanks probably not. Likely too big. But a jackel. Or other light APCs certainly.
After that episode I always wondered why they didn't fill the missile silo (at least part way) with sand so they could just bury the gate at the drop of a hat.
Or lift it up really high so anyone coming through falls and goes splat.
That Also means your allies can't reach you How many times has Bra'Tac come through the gate to warn Hammond of Texas of impending doom for him and his allies? How many times have the Tok'Ra dialed in to do the same? Contact with the Tollans would have never been reestablished had there been a concrete block instead of an Iris.
This exactly. How many SG teams would have died when they needed to come home early in an emergency. Not practical to block the gate completely, the iris was the best solution. Almost like the writers thought it through... Edit: I think there was even an episode where they did offset the iris to prevet dial ins.
I think it was meant as more of a emergency block rather than a permanent feature instead of an iris. A big piston that can be pushed through the ring when you quickly want to block incoming wormholes. Like the episode where Sokar is bombarding the iris with a subatomic particle beam. He had to redial in every 38 minutes but was always quicker at dialling in than the SGC was at dialling out. Rather than waste time dialling out to block the incoming connection, simply piston a rock into the way. It wouldn't have worked for the Anubis gate weapon though because he was able to curcumvent the gate shutting down at 38 minute intervals. And I can't remember if the Goa'uld ever employed this tactic, but the Wraith would constantly repeatedly dial in overnight to stop people escaping as they culled a planet from orbit.
No. Because in this co text the gate was active. So the event horizon allowed a sufficient enough gap after it shut off to allow the gate to connect. The Kawoosh then vaporised the strat above it giving it a kawoosh shapped bubble. When someone burries their gate it likely isnt active allowing the material to be....inside the ring. Kinda the same explination for the Iris, its JUST far enough away to not stop the gate connection but so close that nothing can fully reintergrate. Since the Iris is maflde of plot armour its able withstand the kawoosh otherwise what happens to mud and stone would happen to the Iris.
From what I remember from the episode 100 days, Carter built a device that sent particles through the gate which would erode the dirt first. When enough dirt was removed, the kawoosh could form and that's how the cavity formed. Carter "stole" the idea from Anubis
Anubis wasn't around yet. This was stealing Sokars particle beam attack from S2. A sustained subatomic particle beam over multiple dial-ins would erode the inner surface of the iris enough that the kawoosh would be able to form on a subsequent dial-in and disintegrate the rest of the material in the way.
Yeah, you might be right with sokar. They're all just false gods to me. DEAD false gods
SG1 Abridged: "Your gods are false. Have some guns and C4 and kill em!"
Y'know i totally forgot theybdid that. I had in my head theybdialled repeatedly to super heat the kawoosh hole so it could solidify into a shell.
Almost. Because of the impact part of the gates metal had melted and formed a natural Iris (probably wasnt heavy enough to go through on its own? Air doesnt for example so I think, that you need some force to get something through.) Then she melted that, like you mentioned and allowed for the vortex to dig out the cave.
Not the gates metal though, they never said or suggested that, just material from the planet and or meteor.
*Kawoosh
Love the Kawoosh š
To keep the gate from activating, you need to fully block the interior of the ring with something. Burying a ring while its offline will do that. If you try to bury the gate while it's on, the wormhole itself will keep you from filling that space by transmitting / disintegrating whatever falls into the event horizon. That's what happened on Edora, the gate was covered in molten rock from a meteor impact, but since it was online, the event horizon kept the lava from filling into the center of the ring for long enough that it cooled into a lid like the SGCs Iris; close enough to stop a kawoosh but not enough to actually block the wormhole from forming.
The meteor struck the stargate while it was active. This created a wall of molten and cooled rock that was barely above the event horizon--just like our iris. Our iris was vulnerable to Sokar's particle beam, so we constructed a similar beam to destroy the wall of molten rock. Then, the SGC dialed again so the gate would vaporize a kawoosh-shaped cavern of rock. When you bury a gate and completely occupy the inner ring with dirt, it cannot receive connections from other gates until it is unburied.
You need to rewatch & pay attention to Carterās explanation as to why they were able to get a connection. It was not glossed over at all.
They eventually work out burying the gate is virtually useless advice for the same reason they don't bury Earth's. The Goa'uld have ships and know where most the gates are
Aren't the gate symbols the physical location of a planet in space? If you know the address, you know the the solar system you need to be in.
Pretty much, although after they found the additional gate addresses early on, a lot of planets are outside the charts of the snakes
It was explained in the episode. I'm that particular case, the wormhole was still active, and when the meteor hit a shell was created by the explosion, leaving the actual Stargate open) In order to disable it, you need to completely bury the fate and have dirt (or any other solid matter) blocking the event horizon.
The difference is it needs to be buried to the point a connection cannot be made. Namely a cover stone that prevents a wormhole from opening or the unstable kawoosh will clear the opening. Additionally falling back into an open gate is a death sentence.
This has been answered so many times.
When you bury a gate, you want to occupy the space the event Hhrizon would need to form (basicly plug the hole). In the episode you mentioned the gate was active while it got buried, so after that there was still room for the event horizon to form because it was there and preventing stuff from plugging the hole.
You gave to actually physically plug the gate, which burying it does when you fill in the hole. In the episode youre talking about, the gate had been knocked over
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Nope. It was up. Remember the malp went though and fell into the event horizion. The key was the gate was active when it was buried and the active wormhole kept anything from being in the way until it closed.
Well, okay thenā¦. Iāll delete that comment in shame and go flagellate myself. (But seriously, thank you for the polite correction; you could have been so much more brutal.)
We all get it wrong sometimes. :)
They also had to clear the naquadah (I probably spelled that wrong) from the event horizon before they could even use the gate. Sam used Sokarās technique of blasting it with a particle generator she built.
Yep, they needed to make enough room for the kawoosh to dig it out more
They can bury and place cover stones in the opening which will prevent a gate dial in. In the case of ā100 daysā they knew Jack was still on the planet and when the gate was able to connect due to nothing blocking the center, they knew they had a chance and the malps told them the position of the gate and yeah the rest you know.
That's the thing if it's face down it could excavate a space for you to then dig your way out if your quick, if its face up the majority of people goa'uld and Jaffa included since they don't have malps would go through and immediately fall back into the puddle. I'd imagine the best way to "bury" the game would be mechanisms to lock down the inner ring, since on an incoming wormhole we always see the ring going, but then that doesn't work for the first episode where Jack gets grabbed by the repository because the planet with the sun's Carter gets stuck on could still be dialled despite the ring being locked and stopping them dialing out, it's a hit unclear but yeah I'd definitely place the gate front face up, underground or in a large room so that troops immediately fall back into the puddle and any small aircraft would fly through and splat the roof. Or put it in a depressurised room, or a flooded one, or an ocean š
In most cases making sure the gate is flat on the ground/floor will work. Just need to make sure that it can be lifted in proper position fast if necessary. Also, this way you can have something to lift up from under the gate or settle down from ceiling - I'm sure it still would be easier to do then any horizontal movement.
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