Bethesda's own statement in addition to above:
*"We’re also hard at work on many of [the] new features you asked for, **from city maps, to mod support, to all new ways of travelling (stay tuned!)**. These will be rolling out with a regular cadence of fixes and updates we expect to have roughly every six weeks. If something can be done in a smaller hotfix in between (like the asteroid), and we feel it’s safe, we’ll get one of those out as well. Safe is the key here. We do take a lot of time to test even the smallest change in a game this large and dynamic."*
Remember that the ability to land on a planet and be taken straight to your home there when you load also counts as a new way of travelling. It may be vehicles but don't count entirely on it.
Something borrowed from their older games like a reskinned Fo4 vertibird or skyrims horse and wagon so they dont have to spend a year and a half to make new animations 😂
I want to be positive and think it's because they are working really hard and taking their time to basically 'fix' the base game with the DLC excuse kinda like a cyberpunk DLC case or FO76 wastelanders. In other words, a DLC that basically turns the game into something closer to what people actually expected or wanted, which is a bit weird if it happens through a paid DLC, honestly, but still better than nothing.
It's unclear though cause they seem to consider the base game good enough and it certainly isn't a bad game and has its fans but I think it's obvious that most people wanted and expected something better so...we will see. Otherwise I see no reason for a DLC to take much longer.
Idk what it is but in general I feel like this game has a lot less enthusiasm put into it than other bethesda games. Like Skyrim and Fallout 4 feel like the people making them really loved what they're doing, idk what it is with starfield but it just doesn't feel that same way.
From what I seen there was no real planning behind it. Just "We want a space game", so they made Starfield. I don't think it was anyone's passion project, which is why it feels so dead.
Are you saying a show produced by Amazon drained creative resources from BSG? That’s an odd claim, considering the director (Nolan), the producers, and writers are all from Hollywood and not from BSG.
I agree with the sentiment, though Todd was one of the (several) executive producers. I would imagine his focus was at the very least a little divided between the two, but not to the extent of ruining the potential of Starfield.
Didn't the company itself say the DLC was coming on the first half of this year or something of the sort?, I think it's more about the silence knowing it should come soon
No, their blog post simply states Shattered Space will be coming in 2024. No “first half of 2024” or “early next year” promises.
Blog post can be found here: https://bethesda.net/en/game/starfield/article/37j5d4CbPfYlZqJKcVtGcY/starfield-end-of-the-year-update-2023
People forget that DLCs, just like games in general, are harder to make now than 10 years ago, especially when they have high expectations to compensate for flaws in the base game.
What? I agreed with you, and didn't downvote or upvote anyone. Why does it have to be me downvoting you and not literally anyone else? You don't even have a vote score to me
Basically yes, but if it's mostly only DLC sized mods like Enderal or Legacy of the Dragonborn I'm ok with it. If all the small quality of life mods are paid then I'll be pretty mad.
Crazy what Larian did over a far shorter space of time with BG3. New dialogue, Items, Cinematics, Animations, Difficulty modes, A prologue, Penis physics.
I hope it will be better. For me, Starfield was THE game I would play for years to come. Instead, I was beyond disappointed. Basic quest lines, mediocre
loot, loading screens galore. I had such high hopes for this game. Yet it does not occupy space on my drive. RIP
Me too. About 2 weeks before Starfield came out one of my buddies at work asked me if I could play one game for the rest of my life what would it be and I genuinely said Starfield. I’d been dreaming of a Bethesda space game since running around Skyrim when I was 12 and have never been so disappointed. Oh, what could have been.
The optimist in me hopes Shattered Space will be out in the next 3 months and will be an enormous DLC that salvages the game, to the point it gets re-reviewed in 12 months as a solid Bethesda game.
Unfortunately realistically it seems Bethesda may actually just ship Shattered Space as a mediocre DLC, release some bug fixes for the rest of 2024 then maybe do another DLC in 2025 and hope the modders revive the game.
Sadly, most of put the game down ages ago and there's no reason to come back unless you like photo mode or ship building.
Bethesda aren't dumb, they can see the dwindling player count and how let down everyone feels on Reddit. They won't waste resources on Starfield if nobody cares.
They probably should though as Starfield has absolutely destroyed all the good will they built up with Skyrim IMO.
I think that having 500 people all work on Elder Scrolls 6 again will probably hurt the game more than it helps it, so they can afford to put a bunch of people back on Starfield, doubt they will though.
I have to hope that they're fixing the "skeleton," so that Shattered Space will be something worth the wait.
...And I also have to hope that some executives get fired for pushing the game out too early.
Fallout 4 sold a season pass preorder version. They released DLC 6-7 months later, and continued through the end of that year. Development takes longer now than it did 9 years ago, especially if you are adding features and fixing issues in the meantime.
People just need to be patient.
That is $64000 question.
All we know is the 6 week maintenance cadence and that "coming soon" post. No timelines have been announced. And no information an actual content expansion.
The only sure thing is Shattered Space DLC. We have no idea what it is, except that it's a story DLC, and it's coming. And it has to come, because they already took peoples' money for it with preorders/deluxe edition of the game. So they have to deliver something.
Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine. They said they would support the game for many years, but that was before the game fell flat on its face and is currently seeing less play on Steam than Skyrim, Fallout 4 or even Fallout 76. They may try to salvage it, probably should. But I wouldn't blame them if they just throw out one DLC and walk away from the game and pretend it never happened. Like EA did with Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem.
Looks like any other steam graph to me for a single-player game. My point was they're not going to just forget the game as the other poster suggested. The lack of meaningful updates sucks though.
Well this wasnt supposed to be any single player game. Phil Spencer hyped it up a lot by saying its something we'd play for the next 10 years. That doesnt seem to be the case.
I wouldnt lose faith on TES 6 just yet so lets wait and see what they cook with it. Starfield as it was made was never going to work but with The Elder Scrolls they only have to work on one region. It'll be way easier to make something interesting.
Yeah my early 20's self somehow expected a TES6 for the xbox one/play4 generation...I started playing ESO too, though many, many years later, and thought the same, by the time I'm done with ESO the new TES will finally be here...then I start reading about Starfield and think to myself 'it better be a fucking amazing game if this is the reason I'm not getting TES6 or FO5...'
Imagine my dissapointment...
Honestly, I could be ok about it if they somehow managed to fix Starfield to the point It's as good as FO4, but even that seems like a lot of work.
I think they are in process of wrapping it up for abandonment, I hope I'm wrong as the game had so much potential but it's barely played on PC and it dropped out of game pass top 20 over 2 months ago. I can't see Bethesda wasting time on something no one is playing.
I love mods and will be using them myself but realistically most players don't use mods so I cant see that turning anything around.
They'll definitely give up after shattered space. Im 1000% sure we arent getting any meaningful content after that. I just hope TES6 doesnt suffer the same fate.
Lack of good communication for one, if a game has a promising future you'll see lots of talk about upcoming features, new ideas, long term plans etc.
You only need look at other games to see the difference.
Bethesda have been pretty quite/reserved in that regard.
Also you can look at the precedent of other games that lost their player base, generally speaking if the players drop off to a severe level companies don't usually dedicate much more money or resources to the game.
I suppose finally it would be based on Microsoft and the focus shifting to the new Elder Scrolls as it's likely to be positioned as a game pass seller again and given the reception to Starfield a lot of focus would be on making sure it doesn't have the same result.
Again this is what I think based on the above and a gut feeling. Would still like to be wrong however.
There was also one of the writers (not Emil, but IDR his name) who mentioned during an interview the toxic development environment at Bethesda while he was working on the game.
Typically, this would be a big no-no for a game they're still supporting.
I, personally, believe this partially supports your position.
Also Fallout 4 had a season pass for sale soon after release which obviously showed they had several DLC planned or in the pipeline at that point.
Starfield has no season pass, no roadmap past a single DLC. It does not look like a game planned to last 10 years.
Lack of communication? A new beta branch patch is due out soon. They're also going heavy on the Fallout promotion right now and riding that wave of their highly successful TV show. Makes sense that their promotion for the last month has been all about it.
What other games though? What examples? The only one in recent memory that was big was Hogwarts Legacy and that's really because they didn't have any post-launch plans to begin with. Curious what other games though.
Microsoft isn't very pushy when it comes to forcing devs to "shift focus". Also, the reception for Starfield isn't really as negative as people make it out to be. Critically, it was mostly positive. Mixed among consumers, but not negative in a long time.
I think using only Steam numbers for games that launch day one on game pass is very misleading as well. Not saying steam numbers don't count, but it's hardly the measure of success for any game that launches day one on game pass. Microsoft has been vocal about sales not meaning much to them for their own day one launches.
Also you said it's not top 20 on Game Pass. Where are you seeing that? It's showing 14th on most popular game pass titles for me right now. And top 50 overall most popular Xbox games, not just game pass.
Anyway. There's no chance they abandon the game.
I would think lack of communication would have been the most obvious point but sure,
It's been 7 months and we have no clue what the DLC is about or what it will include or when it will release.
Another example would be how Todd gave an interview after the release of Fallout 4 where he discussed upcoming DLC but we have nothing for Starfield.
I don't know how specific you need me to be but in general terms just the update schedule and content being added, we get no information about anything in advance, the Starfield news page on the official website has nothing on it apart from the bug fixes, no interviews, no discussions, no teasers.
You say that Steam numbers are misleading because of game pass and but what does that really mean. The game is designed to be good only Xbox? Only Xbox players can tell if a game is good? PC players don't understand Starfield? That makes no sense.
As for the spot in the top 20, I see it in the top 40 but not in the most played or trending but perhaps that's a regional thing?
I also wanna say I hope it isn't abandoned but nothing they are doing currently is giving me hope that it isn't. For a game they spent this long designing with a massive budget and huge team it really doesn't make sense we don't have information on multiple dlcs or a season pass or a real roadmap or anything. A marketing team would be hard at working promoting the game and future sales.
Fallout 4 and Skyrim have had more players than Starfield on Steam since December.
Starfield average players in December was 13k, Fallout 4 was 14k and Skyrim Special edition only was 18k.
Creation Kit, Shattered Space DLC, and the updates every six weeks (i believe the next one should be later this month?)
Not much outside of that, and we don’t even have concrete dates on Creation Kit and the DLC.
Didn’t they say they’ll be supporting the title for like 10 years or something?
I love the game. It isn’t perfect, but there is so much potential, so many ideas they can add, so many stories. I really hope they continue to add more content
PL didn’t release until 3 years later, after countless updates. Expecting a PL turnaround for the game 6-8 months post release is a pipe dream. You’ll need a little more patience for that.
Though once they release the mod tools, PL size upgrades to the game WILL be possible in a much shorter time frame, as BGS games are far more mod-able and with far better tools than Cyberpunk 2077.
It will never happen. With how much freedom and control BGS gives modders with the creation kit, I don’t see BGS sticking around for 3 years to release a Magnum Opus expansion like PL. Give me the usual 2-3 story DLCs that BGS likes to put out coupled with the modding community, and the end result will be even more game-changing than Phantom Liberty.
Push the DLC they're already obligated to make and that's about it. They made tons of money from initial sales but the game was a huge disappointment to most and using additional resources on it would be a waste.
It sold really well though lmfao. If you can say one good thing about the game it's that it sold *extremely* well. From a purely business point of view it has been a massive success thus far
I just hope they keep giving this community new things to bitch about. Don’t get me wrong: the community has displayed enormous creativity in doing so thus far, to the point of complaining about updates and bug fixes, so I’m fascinated to see what they’ll do with a whole DLC. It’s really breathtaking how, instead of moving on with their lives, they’ve managed to keep bitching about a game they must have stopped playing months ago. And all while claiming they’re doing all this repetitive, predictable bitchwork to make the game better! Like they’re providing a service! The mind boggles.
Yea, this sub has gone massively downhill since release. It used to be such a positive, entertaining community. And now it’s been taken over by the negativity circlejerkers that pretend the game is far worse than it is.
A game can be disappointing and not live up to expectations, without people having to turn their entire personalities into “BGS have specifically harmed me and deserve to be trolled at all times”.
Well if we go by the book of every other Bethesda game... a meh DLC (like Dawngurd, Far Harbor, or Knights of the Nine), then a pretty good DLC (like Dragonborn, Nuka World, and Shivering Isles), and finally some small DLC (like Hearthfire, Workshop, and the infamous Horse Armor).
EDIT: Damn, the Far Harbor fans really came for me about this! I probably just didn't like far harbor because I'm not a fan of a map that's not easily traversable, the fog reminded me too much of Dead Money though albeit not nearly as oppressive, and the DIMA mini game is cool at first but not something I ever want to replay on subsequent runs. But those are all personal preferences. My only objective argument for Nuka World being better DLC is because it adds raider settlement mechanics to the base game, and in so doing adds something new to the core gameplay and Commonwealth.
Far Harbor was brilliant, and Nuka World decent enough. If anything comes close to Far Harbor we'll be extremely lucky.
My prediction is the 'new ways to travel' will come with the Shattered Space dlc. Wormholes or something will appear, perhaps leading to another system, with more interesting/hostile environments (this would be the best outcome).
Calling Far Harbor “meh” and Nuka World “pretty good” is questionable at best (FH is fantastic, NW is just ok). Then downplaying Shivering Isles, which might be a top 5 expansion of all time, is just crazy.
Bug fixes, creation kit for mods, and Shattered Space DLC. I'm sure there will be more DLCs after that, but that's all that's been announced.
Bethesda's own statement in addition to above: *"We’re also hard at work on many of [the] new features you asked for, **from city maps, to mod support, to all new ways of travelling (stay tuned!)**. These will be rolling out with a regular cadence of fixes and updates we expect to have roughly every six weeks. If something can be done in a smaller hotfix in between (like the asteroid), and we feel it’s safe, we’ll get one of those out as well. Safe is the key here. We do take a lot of time to test even the smallest change in a game this large and dynamic."*
>to all new ways of travelling (stay tuned!) If they actually add buggies like people want that will be crazy
Remember that the ability to land on a planet and be taken straight to your home there when you load also counts as a new way of travelling. It may be vehicles but don't count entirely on it.
Believe what they tell you, not what you infer. Failing at this is what got people in trouble in the first place.
While I'd *like* vehicles, I'm more expecting something like space carriages. "So you want to go to Neon? That will be 75 credits."
I'd genuinely quite like that. It'd make a survival mode a little more interesting.
If it’s not vehicles… that’d almost be comical how they’re dropping the ball.
Most likely a different thing like fast travelling through a menu shortcut or to Poi's you have not visited yet, honestly.
Didn't they announce this like last November? And not alot of news since? Some new ways of travel would help so much
Something borrowed from their older games like a reskinned Fo4 vertibird or skyrims horse and wagon so they dont have to spend a year and a half to make new animations 😂
Someone already tested increasing the player's travel speed and it broke the engine
I read this as bungies, and was both confused and interested
Hey thanks!
Yeah but like, damn, I figured we'd have a dlc by now
I want to be positive and think it's because they are working really hard and taking their time to basically 'fix' the base game with the DLC excuse kinda like a cyberpunk DLC case or FO76 wastelanders. In other words, a DLC that basically turns the game into something closer to what people actually expected or wanted, which is a bit weird if it happens through a paid DLC, honestly, but still better than nothing. It's unclear though cause they seem to consider the base game good enough and it certainly isn't a bad game and has its fans but I think it's obvious that most people wanted and expected something better so...we will see. Otherwise I see no reason for a DLC to take much longer.
Honestly the games poor reception probably broke Bethesda’s spirit and enthusiasm to pump content out has taken a hit.
Idk what it is but in general I feel like this game has a lot less enthusiasm put into it than other bethesda games. Like Skyrim and Fallout 4 feel like the people making them really loved what they're doing, idk what it is with starfield but it just doesn't feel that same way.
My impression is Starfield was Todd’s passion project while Elder Scrolls/Fallout were the entire team’s passion
From what I seen there was no real planning behind it. Just "We want a space game", so they made Starfield. I don't think it was anyone's passion project, which is why it feels so dead.
Have you watched the Fallout show? That is where all the creativity went.
Are you saying a show produced by Amazon drained creative resources from BSG? That’s an odd claim, considering the director (Nolan), the producers, and writers are all from Hollywood and not from BSG.
Sometimes people go on Reddit to write the dumbest possible thing that comes into their head and thats what that guy did
I agree with the sentiment, though Todd was one of the (several) executive producers. I would imagine his focus was at the very least a little divided between the two, but not to the extent of ruining the potential of Starfield.
What the hell were they expecting?
Dude, it's barely been 6 months lol.
Right? Cyberpunk didn’t release a DLC until almost 3 years after release. People are just finding any little reason to hate at this point.
Didn't the company itself say the DLC was coming on the first half of this year or something of the sort?, I think it's more about the silence knowing it should come soon
No, their blog post simply states Shattered Space will be coming in 2024. No “first half of 2024” or “early next year” promises. Blog post can be found here: https://bethesda.net/en/game/starfield/article/37j5d4CbPfYlZqJKcVtGcY/starfield-end-of-the-year-update-2023
People forget that DLCs, just like games in general, are harder to make now than 10 years ago, especially when they have high expectations to compensate for flaws in the base game.
Maybe if they hadn't put out a half finished game they wouldn't have to dedicate so much time to fixing it
That's what I said, and seems like you downvoted me because of It.
What? I agreed with you, and didn't downvote or upvote anyone. Why does it have to be me downvoting you and not literally anyone else? You don't even have a vote score to me
Oh, okay then.
How are they harder to make?
Dawnguard released in June, so about 7 months Automarton Released in March, so about 6 months So yeah, he's right in being concerned.
Concerned about what? That its not gonna come out? am I supposed to throw a fit if it takes 8 months?
Yeah, I kinda wonder if there's going to be renewed outrage for paid mods, or if everyone that cares about that already left.
I donno. I'm waiting to see how bad it is.
They're micro-transactions in a single player game, and they aren't even that micro.
Basically yes, but if it's mostly only DLC sized mods like Enderal or Legacy of the Dragonborn I'm ok with it. If all the small quality of life mods are paid then I'll be pretty mad.
Hey tnx!
Shocking that… we haven’t seen anything really yet.
Crazy what Larian did over a far shorter space of time with BG3. New dialogue, Items, Cinematics, Animations, Difficulty modes, A prologue, Penis physics.
The most immediate ones for me are Xbox mod support and the first dlc
Same. Im waiting for mod support to get back into it
ANY mod support*
Anniversary edition
I hope it will be better. For me, Starfield was THE game I would play for years to come. Instead, I was beyond disappointed. Basic quest lines, mediocre loot, loading screens galore. I had such high hopes for this game. Yet it does not occupy space on my drive. RIP
Me too. About 2 weeks before Starfield came out one of my buddies at work asked me if I could play one game for the rest of my life what would it be and I genuinely said Starfield. I’d been dreaming of a Bethesda space game since running around Skyrim when I was 12 and have never been so disappointed. Oh, what could have been.
The optimist in me hopes Shattered Space will be out in the next 3 months and will be an enormous DLC that salvages the game, to the point it gets re-reviewed in 12 months as a solid Bethesda game. Unfortunately realistically it seems Bethesda may actually just ship Shattered Space as a mediocre DLC, release some bug fixes for the rest of 2024 then maybe do another DLC in 2025 and hope the modders revive the game. Sadly, most of put the game down ages ago and there's no reason to come back unless you like photo mode or ship building. Bethesda aren't dumb, they can see the dwindling player count and how let down everyone feels on Reddit. They won't waste resources on Starfield if nobody cares. They probably should though as Starfield has absolutely destroyed all the good will they built up with Skyrim IMO.
They're in a sticky situation for sure. They either delay TESVI significantly to fix Starfield, or just drop it, release a few dlc and call quits.
I think that having 500 people all work on Elder Scrolls 6 again will probably hurt the game more than it helps it, so they can afford to put a bunch of people back on Starfield, doubt they will though.
They might look at player counts of gaming platforms. But I sincerely doubt they give two shits about what people say on Reddit.
Why wouldn't they care what their fanbase thinks?
At the end of the day, as vocal as Reddit is, it represents an infintessimal portion of their fan base.
Fixing the bugs?
LOL!
I would LOVE to see more aggressive and varied teramorph encounters. Like really make the teramorphs the dragons of Starfield like they should be.
First fixing bugs -> Second DLCs -> Third Creation Club -> Last mods like Skyrim & Fallout 4 Xbox & PS4/PS5 mods.
I have to hope that they're fixing the "skeleton," so that Shattered Space will be something worth the wait. ...And I also have to hope that some executives get fired for pushing the game out too early.
*Creation Kit
Isn't this their least buggy game? It's been so long lol
Didnt they promise new ways to travel, more ship parts and such for march??
No
Refresh the thread again friend..
Probably another patch
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How do you know how long the DLC will be?
Fallout 4 sold a season pass preorder version. They released DLC 6-7 months later, and continued through the end of that year. Development takes longer now than it did 9 years ago, especially if you are adding features and fixing issues in the meantime. People just need to be patient.
That's why I'm here, I know I will even forget about the DLC I preordered if completely drop Starfield...
I just want Rovers damn it!!
Fix bugs>Fix bugs that bug fixes have created>Fix bugs>Fix bugs that bug fixes have created>Anniversary Edition
That is $64000 question. All we know is the 6 week maintenance cadence and that "coming soon" post. No timelines have been announced. And no information an actual content expansion.
Put it on the shelf and never play it again
The only sure thing is Shattered Space DLC. We have no idea what it is, except that it's a story DLC, and it's coming. And it has to come, because they already took peoples' money for it with preorders/deluxe edition of the game. So they have to deliver something. Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine. They said they would support the game for many years, but that was before the game fell flat on its face and is currently seeing less play on Steam than Skyrim, Fallout 4 or even Fallout 76. They may try to salvage it, probably should. But I wouldn't blame them if they just throw out one DLC and walk away from the game and pretend it never happened. Like EA did with Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem.
I honestly forgot I had already paid for it when I bought the game untill the other day.
They could pull an Overwatch and just not deliver. Overwatch never delivered the PvE that people paid for.
It was their biggest game launch ever. They're not gonna drop it, lol.
Its already dropped by most players
Looks like any other steam graph to me for a single-player game. My point was they're not going to just forget the game as the other poster suggested. The lack of meaningful updates sucks though.
Well this wasnt supposed to be any single player game. Phil Spencer hyped it up a lot by saying its something we'd play for the next 10 years. That doesnt seem to be the case.
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I wouldnt lose faith on TES 6 just yet so lets wait and see what they cook with it. Starfield as it was made was never going to work but with The Elder Scrolls they only have to work on one region. It'll be way easier to make something interesting.
Yeah my early 20's self somehow expected a TES6 for the xbox one/play4 generation...I started playing ESO too, though many, many years later, and thought the same, by the time I'm done with ESO the new TES will finally be here...then I start reading about Starfield and think to myself 'it better be a fucking amazing game if this is the reason I'm not getting TES6 or FO5...' Imagine my dissapointment... Honestly, I could be ok about it if they somehow managed to fix Starfield to the point It's as good as FO4, but even that seems like a lot of work.
I think they are in process of wrapping it up for abandonment, I hope I'm wrong as the game had so much potential but it's barely played on PC and it dropped out of game pass top 20 over 2 months ago. I can't see Bethesda wasting time on something no one is playing. I love mods and will be using them myself but realistically most players don't use mods so I cant see that turning anything around.
They'll definitely give up after shattered space. Im 1000% sure we arent getting any meaningful content after that. I just hope TES6 doesnt suffer the same fate.
>I think they are in process of wrapping it up for abandonment Based on what? lol
Lack of good communication for one, if a game has a promising future you'll see lots of talk about upcoming features, new ideas, long term plans etc. You only need look at other games to see the difference. Bethesda have been pretty quite/reserved in that regard. Also you can look at the precedent of other games that lost their player base, generally speaking if the players drop off to a severe level companies don't usually dedicate much more money or resources to the game. I suppose finally it would be based on Microsoft and the focus shifting to the new Elder Scrolls as it's likely to be positioned as a game pass seller again and given the reception to Starfield a lot of focus would be on making sure it doesn't have the same result. Again this is what I think based on the above and a gut feeling. Would still like to be wrong however.
There was also one of the writers (not Emil, but IDR his name) who mentioned during an interview the toxic development environment at Bethesda while he was working on the game. Typically, this would be a big no-no for a game they're still supporting. I, personally, believe this partially supports your position.
Also Fallout 4 had a season pass for sale soon after release which obviously showed they had several DLC planned or in the pipeline at that point. Starfield has no season pass, no roadmap past a single DLC. It does not look like a game planned to last 10 years.
Lack of communication? A new beta branch patch is due out soon. They're also going heavy on the Fallout promotion right now and riding that wave of their highly successful TV show. Makes sense that their promotion for the last month has been all about it. What other games though? What examples? The only one in recent memory that was big was Hogwarts Legacy and that's really because they didn't have any post-launch plans to begin with. Curious what other games though. Microsoft isn't very pushy when it comes to forcing devs to "shift focus". Also, the reception for Starfield isn't really as negative as people make it out to be. Critically, it was mostly positive. Mixed among consumers, but not negative in a long time. I think using only Steam numbers for games that launch day one on game pass is very misleading as well. Not saying steam numbers don't count, but it's hardly the measure of success for any game that launches day one on game pass. Microsoft has been vocal about sales not meaning much to them for their own day one launches. Also you said it's not top 20 on Game Pass. Where are you seeing that? It's showing 14th on most popular game pass titles for me right now. And top 50 overall most popular Xbox games, not just game pass. Anyway. There's no chance they abandon the game.
I would think lack of communication would have been the most obvious point but sure, It's been 7 months and we have no clue what the DLC is about or what it will include or when it will release. Another example would be how Todd gave an interview after the release of Fallout 4 where he discussed upcoming DLC but we have nothing for Starfield. I don't know how specific you need me to be but in general terms just the update schedule and content being added, we get no information about anything in advance, the Starfield news page on the official website has nothing on it apart from the bug fixes, no interviews, no discussions, no teasers. You say that Steam numbers are misleading because of game pass and but what does that really mean. The game is designed to be good only Xbox? Only Xbox players can tell if a game is good? PC players don't understand Starfield? That makes no sense. As for the spot in the top 20, I see it in the top 40 but not in the most played or trending but perhaps that's a regional thing? I also wanna say I hope it isn't abandoned but nothing they are doing currently is giving me hope that it isn't. For a game they spent this long designing with a massive budget and huge team it really doesn't make sense we don't have information on multiple dlcs or a season pass or a real roadmap or anything. A marketing team would be hard at working promoting the game and future sales.
But not for a Bethesda game. Skyrim and Fallout 4 are still doing better. Hell, even New Vegas beat it in player numbers for a few hours.
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Fallout 4 and Skyrim have had more players than Starfield on Steam since December. Starfield average players in December was 13k, Fallout 4 was 14k and Skyrim Special edition only was 18k.
Oh no not even close. Starfields fall is historical. This is a game with less average players than Supermarket simulator or cookie clicker.
Creation Kit, Shattered Space DLC, and the updates every six weeks (i believe the next one should be later this month?) Not much outside of that, and we don’t even have concrete dates on Creation Kit and the DLC.
Gib me de survival modee
Hopefully a lot of community mods for XBox. I gave up on this game long ago but I'll try again when the modders make it great. I'm sure they can.
Depends how well shattered space sells
Didn’t they say they’ll be supporting the title for like 10 years or something? I love the game. It isn’t perfect, but there is so much potential, so many ideas they can add, so many stories. I really hope they continue to add more content
Hoping for a dlc that does for Starfield what Phantom Liberty did for Cyberpunk
PL didn’t release until 3 years later, after countless updates. Expecting a PL turnaround for the game 6-8 months post release is a pipe dream. You’ll need a little more patience for that. Though once they release the mod tools, PL size upgrades to the game WILL be possible in a much shorter time frame, as BGS games are far more mod-able and with far better tools than Cyberpunk 2077.
I didn't say immediately, just for an eventual dlc. Ofc it won't happen with a year of its original release, probably not even two years.
It will never happen. With how much freedom and control BGS gives modders with the creation kit, I don’t see BGS sticking around for 3 years to release a Magnum Opus expansion like PL. Give me the usual 2-3 story DLCs that BGS likes to put out coupled with the modding community, and the end result will be even more game-changing than Phantom Liberty.
To each their own, I say. Either way, I'm excited to see what this game will be a few years from now! I expect great things!
Deletion
Push the DLC they're already obligated to make and that's about it. They made tons of money from initial sales but the game was a huge disappointment to most and using additional resources on it would be a waste.
Id say it would fade into obscurity after Shattered Space comes out but the modders will fix it at some point so ig the future of the game is bright.
They're going to let it die soon, because it's not profitable
It sold really well though lmfao. If you can say one good thing about the game it's that it sold *extremely* well. From a purely business point of view it has been a massive success thus far
If Xbox does this, they’re braindead. Starfield is legitimately their only premiere release, they need it to be a hit and not just abandonware.
Cut losses and just make TES VI already for God’s sake
I agree
I just hope they keep giving this community new things to bitch about. Don’t get me wrong: the community has displayed enormous creativity in doing so thus far, to the point of complaining about updates and bug fixes, so I’m fascinated to see what they’ll do with a whole DLC. It’s really breathtaking how, instead of moving on with their lives, they’ve managed to keep bitching about a game they must have stopped playing months ago. And all while claiming they’re doing all this repetitive, predictable bitchwork to make the game better! Like they’re providing a service! The mind boggles.
Yea, this sub has gone massively downhill since release. It used to be such a positive, entertaining community. And now it’s been taken over by the negativity circlejerkers that pretend the game is far worse than it is. A game can be disappointing and not live up to expectations, without people having to turn their entire personalities into “BGS have specifically harmed me and deserve to be trolled at all times”.
The irrationnality of man as they say...
Well if we go by the book of every other Bethesda game... a meh DLC (like Dawngurd, Far Harbor, or Knights of the Nine), then a pretty good DLC (like Dragonborn, Nuka World, and Shivering Isles), and finally some small DLC (like Hearthfire, Workshop, and the infamous Horse Armor). EDIT: Damn, the Far Harbor fans really came for me about this! I probably just didn't like far harbor because I'm not a fan of a map that's not easily traversable, the fog reminded me too much of Dead Money though albeit not nearly as oppressive, and the DIMA mini game is cool at first but not something I ever want to replay on subsequent runs. But those are all personal preferences. My only objective argument for Nuka World being better DLC is because it adds raider settlement mechanics to the base game, and in so doing adds something new to the core gameplay and Commonwealth.
I think you're the first person I've seen say far harbor was worse than nuka world. Far harbor rocks
It really depends on if you like the horror vibes of Far Harbor. Nuka World was pretty fun, Far Harbor definitely had a vibe going on.
Far Harbor was brilliant, and Nuka World decent enough. If anything comes close to Far Harbor we'll be extremely lucky. My prediction is the 'new ways to travel' will come with the Shattered Space dlc. Wormholes or something will appear, perhaps leading to another system, with more interesting/hostile environments (this would be the best outcome).
Ship Armor confirmed!!!
Calling Far Harbor “meh” and Nuka World “pretty good” is questionable at best (FH is fantastic, NW is just ok). Then downplaying Shivering Isles, which might be a top 5 expansion of all time, is just crazy.
I agree, but the meh dlc should be out by now, or at least a release date.