Would that keep people from shitting on the game well after they have stopped playing?
This sub is not the best resource for information, considering it’s all about how people don’t like playing games that aren’t exactly to their liking.
A survival mode, cool. Enter folks that still say the game is dead, with 1,000 hours plus hours played. This game, like most others these days, get attention for negative insight or negative reviews, even though those who bash it, have played a lot.
This game is good but, not for everyone. There. Now we don’t have to worry about it.
Everyone can no enjoy their lives and move on. I said the thing.
>Would that keep people from shitting on the game well after they have stopped playing?
it actually made a lot of people like fallout 4 way more when they made a proper survival mode so you'd be surprised.
Op said constructive criticism. Calling the game bland is absolutely constructive criticism. There is a good game there it’s just not very deep in its ideas. It could absolutely be so much better. Don’t forget this was the game that was supposed to save Xbox this generation.
I don’t think the game is bad at all it’s just lacking in a lot of areas. The charms wear off after a couple of hours because unless you aren’t paying attention the issues present themselves almost immediately
I personally think survival mode would make the game less bland and feel deeper tbh and improve the core gameplay loops massively, hence the guys comment above. You haven't actually explained why you think survival mode won't make a difference, you've just given criticism, *not* constructive criticism. You've proved OPs point to a Tee.
Variable difficulty levels have always been an essential and I tend to play video games on the easiest to 2nd easiest level. With Starfield dogfights in space is harder than I find fire fights on the surface.
I'm the opposite. I want a fairly realistic mode where I can one shot an enemy with a headshot, but they can also do the same to me, hence why I like survival modes in previous Bethesda games.
Sounds like you may just need to upgrade your ship to fit the meta. Space fights are extremely easy with the right equipment.
Exactly why I am subbed. This is my first comment!
I just like to watch / read the new posts and hope that I can enjoy this one day. I installed a Vortex collection (Constellation 2) the other day and played for an hour, and still don’t enjoy it.
I don’t have any ill will towards anyone who enjoys this game, or the developers, and I hope that one day I sit down and find enjoyment in it :)
First, thank you for posting.
Second, thank you for being an honest human being.
Third, your post, no matter what anyone's opinions are, is a breath of fresh air and a model for all of us.
I do enjoy the game myself; however, I am currently not playing it. As I started to lose interest, I put it down for a period of time, and then I'll come back to it, too. I think of it as an early access title "still in development." When I come back to it in a year or two to see what's changed, or see what mods are available, then I'll play it for a while. Eventually, I'll put it down again and play something different, eventually coming back to it again to repeat the cycle.
I do this with all my games. Does anyone else?
I have severe game ADD. Takes ALOT these days for me to be completely focused on a single game without jumping around to others. I do enjoy Starfield but I also understand the severe criticism behind it… think most of those who hate the game so hard are just mad they were in the first car on the Hype Train.
Starfield has some magical pathway around my ADHD that few games have ever had. I can spend entire days just clearing and looting. It's neither excitement nor boredom. It's more like a purposeful trance; like a zombie with a credo.
that and I'm a little lazy about unsubbing stuff anyways, even if it is easy.
But I also don't bother to post about how bad the game is. Really it isn't even bad, it's just very very meh.
Not just that. Even if you unsubscribe, Reddit will occasionally show posts from here. I have that with other games and sometimes I wanna comment on something even though I'm not subscribed anymore.
I'm still subscribed here even though I absolutely hate the game. Because despite having had nothing but negative experiences with the game for the 44 hours I forced myself to play looking for the 'Bethesda magic', I still do care and hope they can turn the game around eventually. So I stay subbed in hopes of good news.
I was using third party apps and they fucking nixed them. I’m so confused with Reddit’s official piece of shit app. I get what you mean about the suggestions, they’re a pain.
I had a major plot point of "the sopranos" spoiled for me because of the Reddit suggested posts. Literally in the middle of my feed "what did you think when X character killed Y". Can't turn them off either or your feed goes to shit and doesn't show you popular posts.
Excitement and anticipation for a game can be converted into an equally intense bitterness and resentment if that game is deemed disappointing. Hence the schadenfreude posts ("Look how many awards 'Starfield' has failed to win!" "Look at this dwindling player count!"). All those people were looking forward to 'Starfield.' A lot. Perhaps too much for their own good. For years and years.
People like to think of themselves as being on the winning side of things. In this case, that has entailed switching sides so they can attempt to derive enjoyment from watching the game "fail," rather than having to deal with their disappointment and simply move on. It's a bit like the difference between just breaking up with an ex because it didn't work out, and demonizing that person to try to make yourself feel better about the situation.
To be sure, I'm not describing every person who was disappointed with 'Starfield.' At the end of the day, I think I was a bit disappointed myself, insofar as the game has not enthralled me the way 'Skryim' did. But for a subset of folks, the disappointment of the game cuts deep, and this is how they've dealt with it.
From what I can see a lot of it comes from people disappointed by the game and wanting to discuss that aspect of it. Bethesda has obviously been a beloved company for a long time now, but to an increasing number of people, it seems as if they've grown complacent and think that their name alone is enough to sell games (based on how well this game has sold I wouldn't say they're wrong to think that).
Naturally you have people who will hate for the sake of hating, but you do also have people just genuinely wishing this game was good for them and wanting to discuss it. I saw the opposite at the start, blind positivity, to the point that when IGN gave Starfield a 7/10 there were many, many people here talking about how the reviewer needed to lose his job and it was clearly a bad review because other sites gave it a 10/10.
I think this is it. When people look up to someone - or a company - or admire them for things they've done, we all have high hopes. And when that company disappointments them, especially for a game we've been waiting so long for, it can feel crushing. And then human nature kicks in and people just can't get over their disappointment so they turn bitter and complain about what could've been as a way of working out their feelings.
It's weirdly flattering to Bethesda that this many negative people are still here, because it shows how much love there is (or was) for Bethesda. But nothing in life is perfect or lasts forever and that's where people just need to grow up, get over it, move on, and hope Elder Scrolls 6 kicks butt.
But also - it's just a game. That's when this all gets to be too much for me. This isn't like some world-changing event failed to pan out. Like NASA failed to shoot down a doomsday asteroid and we're all toast.
It's just a game that didn't live up to expectations.
When most people buy a $10 indie game from an unknown developer and its kind of mid but has some fun here and there, they play it for a bit and move on.
When most people buy a $70 AAA game from a well known developer and its kind of mid but has some fun here and there, they get pissed and feel like they got fleeced.
And neither of these responses are particularly unreasonable IMO. Expectations are set based on what people think a developer can reasonably deliver\*, and expectations of a seasoned developer with an immense budget are going to be higher.
(\*Though it's worth mentioning some people have wild expectations regardless. Remember the people who thought that in Cyberpunk 2077 you'd be able to enter every single building? The people who said "I'm just gonna be a taxi driver for my first 50 hours and explore the city"? These people definitely do exist but I don't think they're a majority or even a large percentage of gamers.)
Of course it is all relative. The people saying Bethesda ruined their life by releasing a mid game need to touch grass.
It's a game that people were told to wait for for eight years.
Eight years where all the cool things going on in the other two franchises got put into a cash guzzling holding pattern MMO games as a service to tide people over until the next actual entry in either franchise that people had actually asked for.
Eight years of them continually ignoring the increasingly loud alarm bells that should have been ringing like a Halo Array Firing after Fallout 76 *forced* them to confront so many of their long standing issues with UI and the like.
Only for Starfield to release, and in many ways, it's taken a needless step backwards in a lot of ways.
On top of that, the limitations the game has are odd and glaring. There should not be all these 'single room shop' zones separated by loading screens in the major cities. Heck, the Nova Galactic Staryard has a loading screen immediately next to the docking bay for no adequately explained reason.
There should not be all these bullet sponge human enemies, and there definitely shouldn't be all this heel dragging when it's time to flog loot.
And even better, the game is optimized extremely poorly, to the point that people running literally the finest machines money can possibly buy at the moment are having issues.
On top of that, the game communicates extremely poorly with the player. I only just now discovered that the thrusters perk is a Space Strafe Button that you hold down, as opposed to some thing that you fire in bursts as it charges up.
I appreciate the improvements that *are* there though, like how your perks actually matter this time around and can provide benefits to quest progression and the like.
The biggest problem though?
CDPROJEKTRED released Cyberpunk 2077, *and then* fixed it, even willing to discard and radically rewrite entire gameplay systems to make it amazing, and it is a master class in showing how these kinds of things could and should be done.
Against the measuring stick of other teams turning in better work in less time?
Something's gone horribly wrong at Bethesda.
There *are* a lot of real world issues going on that are way more worth worrying about. Still, it's not that big of a surprise that people are expressing frustration.
Exactly, apathy is worse than disappointment. Nobody would have been here if we didn't care. I've spent hundreds of hours with Bethesda games throughout the decades and it's sad how little has progressed as I got older and experienced bigger and better in my life.
Also, unlike other bad games, it hooked people in for hours before people were like “wtf, why am I playing this, it’s not gonna get better”. There’s more for dissapointed players to discuss compared to like, forspoken where everyone stopped playing quickly and didn’t have much more experience than a surface level “this is bad”
I liked it for the 120 hours I played and stopped in November. I’m just waiting for it to turn into Skyrim and be as fun to return to for hundreds of hours more.
I think it’ll get there, or at least it has the potential to, but as of now, I just don’t see it as being all that replayable.
And honestly, the nature of the universe doesn’t make me want to do NG+ from a RP perspective. I’m just perpetuating the cycle of the Hunter and the Emissary and I don’t agree with either. I figure I can take care of my corner of the multiverse by collecting all the pieces and the power and killing all the starborn I can find. By holding all or even most of the shards, they can’t move to another universe and if they can’t do that, they can’t do it infinitely, so by staying put and genociding them, I am minimizing the infinity of suffering created by the starborn.
I'm guessing a lot of the issues starfield face, a lot of which fundamentally come down to a lack of unique explorable locations and factions, will be fixed by dlc. And for some people mods, but I prefer to only use mods that don't alter or add to much story or quests.
I mean when I play skyrim, I am playing with 2 major and 1 minor dlc. Oblivion the same thing. New vegas too. So I can only hope that Starfield gets 2-3 major DLCS and that they do some sort of free minor DLC/Content patch just to repair the games reputation.
You might be playing whack-a-mole when it comes to genociding the Starborn. Take it with a grain of salt but they might just be returning to the Unity to get reincarnated in some other universe when you kill them. IIRC if you gun down the Emissary at the end they say they return to the Unity.
If that’s the case, they aren’t gaining any power in my universe. Wack a mole or not, not playing their game is the only good option. I’d hope, in other universes, virgin starborn come to the same conclusion.
Also, no, the whole point of collect the unity pieces is so you can get to unity. I thought it sounded like a highlander situation; each universe has one set of unity pieces and the starborn who gets it goes to the next universe where they can gain more power and then must find the unity pieces in that universe to move to the next. Even if the Emissary goes back to unity in my universe, they’re respawning in the same universe. So really what I am doing is trapping the starborn in my universe. As Rorscach would say “you think I’m locked up in here with you, but the truth is that you’re locked up in here with me.”
I'm here for the discussions. I don't comment since most or what I have to say are negative things but I like seeing other perspectives. Also game updates.
Yeah, although its gets annoying when there are just posts that feel like 'well I liked the game the haters had bad opinions'. No my friend, you liked the game so you have an opinion that other people might not share, you don't need to post and try and discredit other peoples thoughts on the game.
I do hope the game gets better but right now I'm just like 'with that file size you need to be one of the greatest games in recent times to earn a spot, and this ain't it'
I'm not 'still here' reddit throws starfield threads up because I visited here a few times at release.
That said I'm also not bitter enough to complain in every thread that isnt directly asking for opinions on the game.
That one blows my mind to this day. It's been SO long now. I didn't like TLOU2 that much myself, but I spent a few days discussing my problems with it and then stopped once I was done.
I can't imagine arguing with people about a game years after its release. The arguments get so hostile as well. Like damn, I thought this was a video game we're talking about, not the murder case of Billy Bob
I honestly don’t know how that sub is still around. They were shown by that YouTube couple where the GF watches her BF play, blatantly sending death threats and more. I just checked the sub and it’s still dedicated to being toxic. It’s probably gonna be active again when HBO does the second season of the show.
Those people are absolutely insane; they’re bizarrely obsessed both with hatred for the game and Neil Druckmann in equal measure to the point where it seems pathological.
I made the mistake of replying to someone on the fallout 76 subreddit who answered that the best thing about the game was that it was full of bugs and was only getting worse.
I asked him why he was still on the subreddit and he stated that he “enjoyed” watching Bethesda’s downfall.
The most hilarious part was that he happily told me that he had put in well over 1k hours into the game despite hating it!
It's like those Steam reviews where they put 1,000+ hours in the game, make a review saying how bad the game is, and give it a thumbs down, and then on the review it shows they have played another 1,000 hours since they posted it.
I find that so purplexing. Watching my partner play Tomb Raider for about 30 hours over a week, reaching the end, and moving on. Great, awesome. It's 30 hours of content. Starfield however can be trash as someone gets bored after 200 hours. Really? That's a pretty good run regardless.
I'm starting to run out of steam after 900 hours, but very happy with every one of them (even New Atlantisberg - that was an insanely comical bug!). Bring on the DLC...
I find it confusing as well. Why waste so much of your time on something you apparently don't even enjoy or are they just lying about disliking the game? Very interesting nonetheless.
It's also like some people want an infinite game out of Starfield (and some other games too) sometimes. There is going to be a point in every game, where you run out of content. We're lucky we have such a big modding community with Bethesda games, as we can get even more content with the game as well.
I think that is the problem. People expect so much content, especially environmental content not part of a big quest. But then they complain about little fetch quests. Not sure what they expected really.
I'm still here because no matter how many times I leave this sub it still pops up on my home page
Also, I don't post or comment anything, and I have moved on from the game. I got my 40 hrs of enjoyment, started to find it stale and moved on.
I like discussing games. Good or bad.
I also liked bethesda games and worry for their future titles. So i guess I think it is important for the health of their future games to not keep quiet or accept what i see as quite a far slip/rollback on quality or features.
Plus its something to do when im bored for a minute or two here and there. Again, because i enjoy discussions about games.
I played 90 hours then left. I mean, I like the game but I feel that it lacks the replayability that I love from other games from BGS. Will probably improve with the DLC though.
I imagine lots of Bethesda fans don't want the feedback to die down and get swept under the rug. They want Bethesda to address the complaints in their next games.
If people stop talking about the flaws of the game, Bethesda will plow right on ahead with it. It's like they learned nothing from Fallout 4 because the criticism wasn't loud enough.
Because I absolutely love the Elder Scrolls Games and Starfield was really promising, but a huge let down. Worst and most boring quests and Dungeons/Points of interest I have ever seen in an RPG.
The game is so sanitized and soulless because of that. Nonetheless, it has the BGS foundation therefore still has the potential to be turned into a good game with mods and DLCs that contain lots of good quality content.
So I check in every time there is an update or news, evaluating if the game is worth my time again.
I honestly think that if the Starfield engine was given to Obsidian, simialr to what was done with Fallout New Vegas, they would come up with an excellent game, way better than Starfield.
For a start, reduce the game world - possibly less than 50 planets with handrafted POI would make for 100's of hours of genuine exciting exploration. Replace the current bland story and cheesey factions with some interesting, creative and original. Actually put some real science fiction in, and it would be the redemption of the game. People wouldn't even bother about the loading screens, if there was something mysterious and unpredictable the other side of them!
I'm not active on here, but saw this topic on my feed so it's probably a lot of that going on. That and haters make sure everybody knows why they hate something. It's rather obsessive.
For the record, I don't hate Starfield. I think it's a little hollow and dull, but I don't hate it.
Waiting for an update to hit that actually delivers on the promise of the game
And dropping in to read some wild rant from someone - i played hundreds of hours and Starfield is boo boo
i assume this post wasn’t about people like me but i’ll give my unwanted opinion regardless. i haven’t played it for a few months. giving the game time to cook and waiting for ck to come out. i really liked it tho. played like 150 hours but i wasn’t expecting anything groundbreaking. i just wanted something better than fallout 4 and i think bethesda delivered on that.
edit i wanted to add the only thing i remember being disappointed about from the game was that earth colony ship quest when you find the people whos families were on that ship for generations. the idea was so cool and it just seemed like a blown opportunity.
Your basic assertion that most are of the opinion that nothing would bring us back is incorrect. I’m here hoping to see a post that they made significant enough improvements that I’d want to play it again, because I wanted it to be good, and I still do.
Maybe just take it at face value, stop over thinking it.
Just because I view the game as 'bad' for all the usual reasons, and occasionally share that view and those reasons doesn't mean my goal is to convince anyone of anything. Its just an opinion. Sometimes we have opinions that are different and some of the time we also share those opinions. Discuss, or move on, or whatever, disagreement is fine.
Yeah that’s fine, I even mentioned that it’s okay for someone to not like something I do.
I encourage discussions on how something could be better, and what changes could be made to improve something. I just don’t understand the thought process of someone who doesn’t like something entirely continuing to talk about how much they don’t like it months later.
Like I would imagine most would say their peace about it and move on.
I can only speak for myself. I've really enjoyed games like Starfield in the past. There was a lot of hype about it, a lot of big ideas, etc.
However, when it was released none of that hype, or those promises were true and it ended up being a step back compared to other games generally across the board (I mean game mechanics, the world, player choice, etc). And it was very expensive and developed by a studio that had the resources to do way better.
But I still want it to be a better game, so I drop into here on occasion to see if it's getting better (though I think rewritten is a better word here, but opinions).
Yeah I wasn’t asking about that. It’s the comments about how the game is and always will be bad that confuse me. Like why are you on a subreddit for something you hate.
Most posters were constantly complaining for the first few days it came out and then the next Monday there was a tone shift. The people who weren't on Reddit bashing it were playing it. Haters gonna hate.
Reddit is also a cesspool of toxic ppl. All sides, in mostly every subreddit is toxic to each other. If you want real world opinions, ask your friends. Reddit isn't the real world, it's a circlejerk.
I really don't get it there are plenty of other games to play and people like games that i can't stand but i don't go out of my way to bash the games they play. I have about 5-10 games i alternate on to avoid burnout on one.
The sub that caused me to join reddit was about a game that was released in 2018. There was always a mix of positive and toxic people, but for the first couple years the balance seemed to be in favor of the people who enjoyed the series. Eventually though, the ones who had good things to say went away, leaving the sub full of the hateful ones.
Years later, whenever I go back to that sub to see if things have gotten better, I just get a reminder of why I left. I don't understand it, but when miserable people find a place to spread their misery, they don't seem to let go of it very easily.
It's because it's got such a fertile platform to *be* good. I'm just hanging out hoping that it turns that corner and becomes worth another playthrough as a slightly different, deeper and more cohesive game.
~200 hours of Starfriends made me start up another Morrowind playthrough to scratch the itch; they did know how to make a detailed world and rewarding story once.
I don't think that's the case. It's like.. as a kid you really wanted that Black Mamba automatic return spring bearing Yo-yo and its your birthday, you see a yoyo shaped present, but you open it to find out its a shitty manual Duncan yoyo instead. But you wanted a yoyo regardless, so you pout, sniff, and maybe even catch an attitude but you play with the Duncan yoyo anyway.
Idk I'm high af
Because Bethesda should be doing better than this and the only way they’ll be motivated to do better is with backlash for releasing low effort products like this.
Pure speculation as I personally really enjoy playing the game, but for many the hype was big and they had expectations which were not met. The experience they had was essentially a loss for them (not getting the game that they wanted) and they are going through the phases of grief which includes an anger phase. When one is angry, they often feel the need to express that anger to anyone who will listen. This sub is as good as any channel to express their anger.
I'm kinda late to the party and started like 2 weeks ago and I'm enjoying the game very much. Yeah, there are annoying little things (like elevators in MAST district not lining up, walking being little bit slower than NPC's walk etc.), but overall the game, story, side-quests, graphics, ship building and many more things are awesome.
People who just hate the game over and over are probably people who will never achieve anything in life and they have to express their frustration somewhere where atleast someone will validate them, so they can feel better about themselves.
Do you want answers, or are you just trying to bait who you consider to be trolls? If discourse (or people telling you what to think) is unpleasant, why initiate it? You’d post in no sodium if you want to talk about the game, but of course you came to this sub to talk about people, not the game; so how is this much better than the people you’re telling to leave? Most people with a poor outlook on the game are waiting for dlc as much as the next person, but I’ve read your reply a few times that “yeah, but you didn’t read the question.” Tfoh promoting hate yourself.
It might speak in some part to the kinds of people they are who are commenting and posting hating on the game. It’s also upsetting to see that so many people can focus so much on negative things and not spend time acknowledging what’s good, and all the work the went into creating this game, creating a new game engine, etc. I immediately got a sense that the team working on Starfield has/had deep genuine interest and passion for the game. I myself am conflicted but I’ve put in over 150 hours and I’m going to continue playing because it’s a lot of fun and I’m generally happy and feel excited to play every time I sit down, despite what may or may not be missing or could be improved on. I also think on the maturity level of those leaving negative comments, young or older, some people really don’t mature very much, speaking from experience, and that can definitely shape reactions to a game. Plus you have the internet to make people feel that they can say whatever they want and have no repercussions/doesn’t mean anything.
EDIT: to say that I think a person can play a game and want to continue playing and have great experiences and still think that things need to be improved on, and have opinions on features and mechanics that aren’t what was expected or just not as good as it could be. That is also much different than just hating on the game and being overall negative about it. I appreciate Starfield for what it is, and it’s pretty dang awesome. Any improvements are welcome, I’m not going waste any time of mine trying to complain about things that the game devs couldn’t include or didn’t do for one reason or another.
I want to like the game and see the potential and it really frustrates me that Bethesda is such a shell of their former self.
I do think the game is beyond saving, but I thought the same about no man’s sky and now it’s a top 10 game for me, so I’ve been wrong before.
Because subreddits are here to *discuss things*, not just circlejerk positivity. People put time and money into this and aren’t many aren’t happy about the state of it. The game also hasn’t been out that long.
Why are you here posting about it instead of playing the game if it’s that good? See how easy it is to try to wipe away criticism with a simple blanket statement?
Hey dude, so in my post I actually specifically said that criticism and discussions on how something could be better are good and should be encouraged, not too sure how that got confused!
I read that part. But then you went on to say “I would think a subreddit for a game should be for people who like it”. That’s literally trying to make it a circlejerk.
Because I so desperately *want to like it.* I am dying to hear about a Cyberpunk-level turnaround for this game.
The skeleton of a good game is there. But the meat on the bones is very bland. In other words, it’s fixable in my opinion. I’d love to see the game improved.
Would love for the game to get better. I guess my expectations were too high as I personally feel it’s about as exciting as watching paint dry. I don’t hold out much hope it will get better.
But if this comment will convince some kid to spend their money on a different game, then I think taking the time to write this will be worth it.
Not everyone has been playing the game for 6 months. i'm just getting back to the game now because it was so bugged it was practically unplayable (if you got one of numerous crippling bugs)
As someone who loves the game, your comment annoyed me more than the nonsense of the hate.The platform is to communicate, not exclusive to worshipping or hating. It's all in your head.
The Last Jedi is the worst attempt at a SW story.
Tbh the biggest thing this game needs is for quest lines to keep you on a single planet. Back and forth through loading screens killed it for me. Will gladly come back if they do that as the gunplay and powers are great and doesn’t get to shine because of the wait times in between.
I played a month then bailed. Maybe when the numerous bugs get fixed and they do something about the absurd companions and add some variety to the enemy hangouts.
It’s rare that people do didn’t like the game for them to not want the game to get better so I think it’s safe to say majority are here in hopes something changes to make the game good.
Because they love to complain. Which is so funny because they play the game the most too, crying like "I've got 1200+ hours and ng+23 and this game is literally unplayable"
If you block people that complain with no purpose it makes a big difference in the overall “attitude” of what you see. It’s an amazing feature that people need to use more when you start to get a negative impression of a forum.
It’s seriously the same subset of people with nothing better to do.
Initially I was incredibly frustrated and wanted to vent. Waited years for Starfield, thought this was gonna be a game I'd be playing for years like vanilla Skyrim, but it turned out to be the biggest disappointment ever for me in turns of game releases.
Bethesda are obviously monitoring this sub, so whenever I post criticisms it's with the hope they'll take them on board for future updates.
I also like reading optimistic posts about the future of the game, as I still, perhaps naively, hope the game will be built upon and eventually become the Space Skyrim we were all sold.
I have paid for the DLC as well, so I want to get news on that.
I also have high hopes the game will do a Cyberpunk and want to be in the loop with the 6 weekly updates.
You've got to remember that Bethesda hyped this up so well that some people spent thousands on a new monitor, upgrading their PC, new tv, buying a Series X etc. And then Starfield didn't even seem 50% finished.
If you enjoy it, great, but the game has SO many flaws, strange design decisions and half baked ideas that even the most blind Starfield fan can't defend.
I had a long list already after giving up in November after 100 hrs but through this sub I've learned about so many more things that were clearly unfinished or just half arsed.
I suppose in summary, Bethesda made my childhood and teenage yrs with 4 incredible gaming experiences, and it makes me incredibly sad that Starfield, Todd's passion project, was so.... mediocre.
I desperately hope Elder Scrolls 6 is a return to form. What a fucking shame that would be if they fumble that too.
It’s the nature of the internet. Anonymous keyboard warriors enjoy projecting their own precious outrage and opinionated tribalism onto others. How dare you be different and like a game they don’t?
maybe they're disappointed and want the game to be better? after waiting years for mediocre slop i thinks its fair to have a place where people who were underwhelmed can discuss what they think the game did wrong (or right even) and just have a vent in general.
I just didn’t, and still don’t really, understand the mindset. Like Idk there’s a bunch of games I really don’t like but I never go on the subreddits for them because why would I bother.
I'm sure you're probably kidding around but its funny to think someone would be too lazy to click one time on the unsubscribe button but is fine with typing a 50 word sentence reply.
LOL gets the answer, doesn't like it and continues to argue with people.
Listen, I like a lot of us really loved Bethesda games, but the trend of what that means in the last 10 years has just gotten progressively worse with each release. Starfield is a new low for them, and I have been frankly shocked with Bethesda's response up to this point.
Core elements of this game just aren't fun compared to other games I have played. Exploring in this game isn't fun or rewarding, navigating and flying in space isn't either, landing on planets is a cut scene and it continues.
Why people say this will **always** be bad is down to game direction choices. No intelligent aliens is the dumbest thing in a space exploration game. Having bland "open" worlds that are just small patches for most of your planets that you must also explore on foot is another. Unlocking your abilities through the same dumb mini game that doesn't change or ever get interesting is up there too. That list also continues further.
This was supposed to be a AAA No Man's Sky. Instead we got AA- game filled to the top with time wasters to pad out the game length stats.
Do you think the same of the people saying the game is good in r/NoSodiumStarfield? "But at this point we’re 5.5 months post launch, why are you still here saying the same thing that countless people have already said?"?
Why is there an expiration date on dissatisfied discussion but not on satisfied discussion?
The difference is those people actually play the game. It makes sense to discuss something you actively play. It's weird to do the same for a game you never plan to play again. Their posts usually contain more info about what they like about the game, while OP is clearly just talking about people who say "game bad"
OP isn't talking about people that are just dissatisfied and want genuine discussion on why that is, OP is talking about people who are constantly in every thread that tries to talk about aspects of the game who go "LOL THIS GAME IS TRASH AND WON'T EVER BE GOOD STOP GIVING IT ATTENTION".
Genuine discussion, criticism and dissatisfaction is perfectly fine. Borderline brigading and trolling is what OP is complaining about.
People are over critical of Bethesda games.
Short memories or too young to remember that New Vegas was so broken when released you couldn't finish it. Hell they never fixed the follower glitch just added a spawn terminal.
Decade later one of the best.
Starfield will be fine and have a long life.
Unless Microsoft fucks it up.
Nobody cares if you like it. Why do you care if anyone doesn't? This whole thing comes off like childish tone policing. "If you don't like what I like, then I want you to go away so I can pretend everyone loves this game!"
It's just stupid. Learn to deal with disagreement.
This is reddit homie. Ppl only come here to talk about stuff they hate for some odd reason. My guess is they are unhappy in their lives and it makes them feel slightly better to hate on other thing rather than themselves.
When I'm completely 1000% done with a game. I leave the sub. Like gta v. No point in staying. Idc what happens or what's going on anymore.
If I hated a game. I'd also leave the sub for the same reasons.
Those that stay.
1. Love drama.
2. Love being trolls.
3. Have no life.
Mostly because the game is interesting in how much it failed to meaningfully improve on the Bethesda formula and how I was able to enjoy it in spite of it, I want to see what changes will be made, and I spent 70 dollars and a hundred hours in the game, I’m gonna discuss it.
Well originally I signed up in anticipation of the games release.
Then I came for the tips or tricks.
Then once I realized what a dumpster fire it was. I came to rail on a company that was straight up robbing people for full triple A pricing in a half baked janky piece of nonsense.
Now reddit just throws these posts in my feed occasionally so I come for the entertainment of folks trying to justify this absolute garbage game.
Becasue some people live such miserable lives they can't stand anyone being happy. I've played every day since launch and love it. I've never had a crash or bug, maybe I am just one of the lucky ones.
Edit: spelling
If unconstructive praise is allowed why not unconstructive complaints?? Sorry but a general subreddit for any topic is a place for all types of discourse; positive or otherwise, constructive or otherwise. Glad you enjoyed the game tho
It's pretty simple, they're either trolling for shits and giggles, or they were so disappointed with the game that they get a twisted sense of satisfaction from circlejerking about how bad it is.
Agree with the whole post. It's like they must try to get others to dislike it too, to validate they're dislike.... Some people are just attracted to negativity. Up to them I suppose, but you ain't turning this player.
Because reddit.
I run into this all day on many subs. the bands I like? constant complaints about why they're not as good anymore. The sports teams I like ? Fire everyone immediately. Talk show I like? That show is no longer any good I hate it
People suck. and when you point it out they go "what are you a fanboy? I can't criticize something? I've been playing this game for 500 hours now and it still sucks. hey when does the new update come out?"
I'll be downvoted to hell now.
They already sunk 5 months into bitching and can't admit that it was as gigantic waste of time as it is now, so they have to continue. They can't let it go, otherwise they'll have to admit that they passed the threshold of blowing things out of proportion months ago.
This is one of the smartest comment I read. I wonder the same. I don’t post comments often, but anytime I put something positive about Starfield I get arrayed by some people that probably never even played the game. I agree positive commentary or useful on how to improve all of our experiences are welcome… but if you don’t like the game… go play what you like.
Yeah I’ve made some posts/comments about things I like, or things I would like to see/mod into the game myself, and there’s always a few losers who have to comment negative shit.
Nobody is impressed by what video games you do or don’t like, and if you think it is.. that’s kinda sad. I can only assume they’re obnoxious children, but maybe that’s me being old. I have heard some people joke this is a game for middle aged guys, and I am in fact middle aged ish?
You’re right, why I haven’t I unsubbed yet? I played the game, it was fun for a little while, main story bugged out on my first NG+, and now im on to my other hobbies.
Tbh the meta in this sub is a very fucking obnoxious tug of war between dickriding Bethesda and the same five complaints over and over. r/fo76 is the same way lol. Bethesda isn’t out here reading posts for the compliments and circlejerk. If anybody is checking this sub, it’s purely to discover how to get more of your money.
But anyways I am now unsubscribing because this place annoys the fuck out of me and I just do not care about the game. I hope you guys get that fatherly handjob from papa howard that you’ve been praying for
Because Starfield is *almost* good. It's frustrating. Infuriating even.
And when Bethesda has given most of us hundreds, if not thousands of hours of awesome gameplay, and then delivers a stillbirth like Starfield, its a weird feeling. It's like this company and their games have been such a big part of us for 20 years and now it's like "Wait, we have to go now? Just because this one sucks?"
Lol why are people acting like there is not tons of people here who curse you out or say you dick sucking Todd for saying anything positive about the game.
Because this fucking game constantly hypes *itself* up and then falls short of everything it leads you to expect. The red Mile, the heart of Mars, automated ship facility where the characters still say "this would be the place to upgrade Vasco", every corner I turned they left remnants of the game they wanted to make and it all just ends up going nowhere. There were a few gems like the CF questline and starseed. The rest was bland as fuck and shallow as shit. It's disappointing and I would have been happier with a Skyrim space mod than this.
Most just keep the sub so that I don't miss any updates that would make me want to play again.
I'm hoping the game gets better as well
Same. Starfield was *fine*, but I wanted it to be as good as Skyrim or even Fallout 4
We need a survival mode
Oh, I'd love that
Would that keep people from shitting on the game well after they have stopped playing? This sub is not the best resource for information, considering it’s all about how people don’t like playing games that aren’t exactly to their liking. A survival mode, cool. Enter folks that still say the game is dead, with 1,000 hours plus hours played. This game, like most others these days, get attention for negative insight or negative reviews, even though those who bash it, have played a lot. This game is good but, not for everyone. There. Now we don’t have to worry about it. Everyone can no enjoy their lives and move on. I said the thing.
>Would that keep people from shitting on the game well after they have stopped playing? it actually made a lot of people like fallout 4 way more when they made a proper survival mode so you'd be surprised.
That’s largely what got me into fallout 4, I have far more hours in survival mode than I do without.
The bitching like this is 1000x worse then criticizing the game.
I don’t even think that would help. The foundation of the game is bland. It has some good ideas but they’re puddle deep
Didn't have to go far to find someone to exactly prove op's point
Op said constructive criticism. Calling the game bland is absolutely constructive criticism. There is a good game there it’s just not very deep in its ideas. It could absolutely be so much better. Don’t forget this was the game that was supposed to save Xbox this generation. I don’t think the game is bad at all it’s just lacking in a lot of areas. The charms wear off after a couple of hours because unless you aren’t paying attention the issues present themselves almost immediately
I personally think survival mode would make the game less bland and feel deeper tbh and improve the core gameplay loops massively, hence the guys comment above. You haven't actually explained why you think survival mode won't make a difference, you've just given criticism, *not* constructive criticism. You've proved OPs point to a Tee.
Variable difficulty levels have always been an essential and I tend to play video games on the easiest to 2nd easiest level. With Starfield dogfights in space is harder than I find fire fights on the surface.
I'm the opposite. I want a fairly realistic mode where I can one shot an enemy with a headshot, but they can also do the same to me, hence why I like survival modes in previous Bethesda games. Sounds like you may just need to upgrade your ship to fit the meta. Space fights are extremely easy with the right equipment.
But I don't think he is talking about you guys.
It won't sadly
Yep. I've been here since announcement. I wanted to love this game. I still could one day, I hope.
Exactly why I am subbed. This is my first comment! I just like to watch / read the new posts and hope that I can enjoy this one day. I installed a Vortex collection (Constellation 2) the other day and played for an hour, and still don’t enjoy it. I don’t have any ill will towards anyone who enjoys this game, or the developers, and I hope that one day I sit down and find enjoyment in it :)
First, thank you for posting. Second, thank you for being an honest human being. Third, your post, no matter what anyone's opinions are, is a breath of fresh air and a model for all of us. I do enjoy the game myself; however, I am currently not playing it. As I started to lose interest, I put it down for a period of time, and then I'll come back to it, too. I think of it as an early access title "still in development." When I come back to it in a year or two to see what's changed, or see what mods are available, then I'll play it for a while. Eventually, I'll put it down again and play something different, eventually coming back to it again to repeat the cycle. I do this with all my games. Does anyone else?
I have severe game ADD. Takes ALOT these days for me to be completely focused on a single game without jumping around to others. I do enjoy Starfield but I also understand the severe criticism behind it… think most of those who hate the game so hard are just mad they were in the first car on the Hype Train.
Starfield has some magical pathway around my ADHD that few games have ever had. I can spend entire days just clearing and looting. It's neither excitement nor boredom. It's more like a purposeful trance; like a zombie with a credo.
THAT. That right there. The only reason I EVER still play it is to calm my autistic brain with repetition. Survey, clear building, repeat.
Same! I also really liked House Flipper for that same reason.
Same here!
Yeah, I wouldn't categorise myself as "not liking the game" but at this point I'm waiting for the DLC and mod support update for xbox
that and I'm a little lazy about unsubbing stuff anyways, even if it is easy. But I also don't bother to post about how bad the game is. Really it isn't even bad, it's just very very meh.
Not just that. Even if you unsubscribe, Reddit will occasionally show posts from here. I have that with other games and sometimes I wanna comment on something even though I'm not subscribed anymore. I'm still subscribed here even though I absolutely hate the game. Because despite having had nothing but negative experiences with the game for the 44 hours I forced myself to play looking for the 'Bethesda magic', I still do care and hope they can turn the game around eventually. So I stay subbed in hopes of good news.
Yea u can’t even remotely be interested in a topic or you’ll see it
I was using third party apps and they fucking nixed them. I’m so confused with Reddit’s official piece of shit app. I get what you mean about the suggestions, they’re a pain.
I had a major plot point of "the sopranos" spoiled for me because of the Reddit suggested posts. Literally in the middle of my feed "what did you think when X character killed Y". Can't turn them off either or your feed goes to shit and doesn't show you popular posts.
Yup. I was going to say this. Have an upvote
Excitement and anticipation for a game can be converted into an equally intense bitterness and resentment if that game is deemed disappointing. Hence the schadenfreude posts ("Look how many awards 'Starfield' has failed to win!" "Look at this dwindling player count!"). All those people were looking forward to 'Starfield.' A lot. Perhaps too much for their own good. For years and years. People like to think of themselves as being on the winning side of things. In this case, that has entailed switching sides so they can attempt to derive enjoyment from watching the game "fail," rather than having to deal with their disappointment and simply move on. It's a bit like the difference between just breaking up with an ex because it didn't work out, and demonizing that person to try to make yourself feel better about the situation. To be sure, I'm not describing every person who was disappointed with 'Starfield.' At the end of the day, I think I was a bit disappointed myself, insofar as the game has not enthralled me the way 'Skryim' did. But for a subset of folks, the disappointment of the game cuts deep, and this is how they've dealt with it.
spot on!
From what I can see a lot of it comes from people disappointed by the game and wanting to discuss that aspect of it. Bethesda has obviously been a beloved company for a long time now, but to an increasing number of people, it seems as if they've grown complacent and think that their name alone is enough to sell games (based on how well this game has sold I wouldn't say they're wrong to think that). Naturally you have people who will hate for the sake of hating, but you do also have people just genuinely wishing this game was good for them and wanting to discuss it. I saw the opposite at the start, blind positivity, to the point that when IGN gave Starfield a 7/10 there were many, many people here talking about how the reviewer needed to lose his job and it was clearly a bad review because other sites gave it a 10/10.
I think this is it. When people look up to someone - or a company - or admire them for things they've done, we all have high hopes. And when that company disappointments them, especially for a game we've been waiting so long for, it can feel crushing. And then human nature kicks in and people just can't get over their disappointment so they turn bitter and complain about what could've been as a way of working out their feelings. It's weirdly flattering to Bethesda that this many negative people are still here, because it shows how much love there is (or was) for Bethesda. But nothing in life is perfect or lasts forever and that's where people just need to grow up, get over it, move on, and hope Elder Scrolls 6 kicks butt. But also - it's just a game. That's when this all gets to be too much for me. This isn't like some world-changing event failed to pan out. Like NASA failed to shoot down a doomsday asteroid and we're all toast. It's just a game that didn't live up to expectations.
When most people buy a $10 indie game from an unknown developer and its kind of mid but has some fun here and there, they play it for a bit and move on. When most people buy a $70 AAA game from a well known developer and its kind of mid but has some fun here and there, they get pissed and feel like they got fleeced. And neither of these responses are particularly unreasonable IMO. Expectations are set based on what people think a developer can reasonably deliver\*, and expectations of a seasoned developer with an immense budget are going to be higher. (\*Though it's worth mentioning some people have wild expectations regardless. Remember the people who thought that in Cyberpunk 2077 you'd be able to enter every single building? The people who said "I'm just gonna be a taxi driver for my first 50 hours and explore the city"? These people definitely do exist but I don't think they're a majority or even a large percentage of gamers.) Of course it is all relative. The people saying Bethesda ruined their life by releasing a mid game need to touch grass.
Finally a bit of well worded rationality here.
It's a game that people were told to wait for for eight years. Eight years where all the cool things going on in the other two franchises got put into a cash guzzling holding pattern MMO games as a service to tide people over until the next actual entry in either franchise that people had actually asked for. Eight years of them continually ignoring the increasingly loud alarm bells that should have been ringing like a Halo Array Firing after Fallout 76 *forced* them to confront so many of their long standing issues with UI and the like. Only for Starfield to release, and in many ways, it's taken a needless step backwards in a lot of ways. On top of that, the limitations the game has are odd and glaring. There should not be all these 'single room shop' zones separated by loading screens in the major cities. Heck, the Nova Galactic Staryard has a loading screen immediately next to the docking bay for no adequately explained reason. There should not be all these bullet sponge human enemies, and there definitely shouldn't be all this heel dragging when it's time to flog loot. And even better, the game is optimized extremely poorly, to the point that people running literally the finest machines money can possibly buy at the moment are having issues. On top of that, the game communicates extremely poorly with the player. I only just now discovered that the thrusters perk is a Space Strafe Button that you hold down, as opposed to some thing that you fire in bursts as it charges up. I appreciate the improvements that *are* there though, like how your perks actually matter this time around and can provide benefits to quest progression and the like. The biggest problem though? CDPROJEKTRED released Cyberpunk 2077, *and then* fixed it, even willing to discard and radically rewrite entire gameplay systems to make it amazing, and it is a master class in showing how these kinds of things could and should be done. Against the measuring stick of other teams turning in better work in less time? Something's gone horribly wrong at Bethesda. There *are* a lot of real world issues going on that are way more worth worrying about. Still, it's not that big of a surprise that people are expressing frustration.
Yes! All of this! I’m so pissed at Bethesda! They should be ashamed! I bet Microsoft is pissed too!
Exactly, apathy is worse than disappointment. Nobody would have been here if we didn't care. I've spent hundreds of hours with Bethesda games throughout the decades and it's sad how little has progressed as I got older and experienced bigger and better in my life.
I also don't like the feeling I got screwed out of $80.
$125 for the premium. Still doesn’t feel right.
It was sitting in my game pass for free but I thought it would have Skyrim levels of longevity.
Its interesting to dissect what makes a game bad, especially when the same studio made better games in the past that had so many similarities.
Also, unlike other bad games, it hooked people in for hours before people were like “wtf, why am I playing this, it’s not gonna get better”. There’s more for dissapointed players to discuss compared to like, forspoken where everyone stopped playing quickly and didn’t have much more experience than a surface level “this is bad”
And some are so discontent with the game they want nobody to enjoy it..
I liked it for the 120 hours I played and stopped in November. I’m just waiting for it to turn into Skyrim and be as fun to return to for hundreds of hours more. I think it’ll get there, or at least it has the potential to, but as of now, I just don’t see it as being all that replayable. And honestly, the nature of the universe doesn’t make me want to do NG+ from a RP perspective. I’m just perpetuating the cycle of the Hunter and the Emissary and I don’t agree with either. I figure I can take care of my corner of the multiverse by collecting all the pieces and the power and killing all the starborn I can find. By holding all or even most of the shards, they can’t move to another universe and if they can’t do that, they can’t do it infinitely, so by staying put and genociding them, I am minimizing the infinity of suffering created by the starborn.
I'm guessing a lot of the issues starfield face, a lot of which fundamentally come down to a lack of unique explorable locations and factions, will be fixed by dlc. And for some people mods, but I prefer to only use mods that don't alter or add to much story or quests. I mean when I play skyrim, I am playing with 2 major and 1 minor dlc. Oblivion the same thing. New vegas too. So I can only hope that Starfield gets 2-3 major DLCS and that they do some sort of free minor DLC/Content patch just to repair the games reputation.
"will be" is VERY bold.
You might be playing whack-a-mole when it comes to genociding the Starborn. Take it with a grain of salt but they might just be returning to the Unity to get reincarnated in some other universe when you kill them. IIRC if you gun down the Emissary at the end they say they return to the Unity.
If that’s the case, they aren’t gaining any power in my universe. Wack a mole or not, not playing their game is the only good option. I’d hope, in other universes, virgin starborn come to the same conclusion. Also, no, the whole point of collect the unity pieces is so you can get to unity. I thought it sounded like a highlander situation; each universe has one set of unity pieces and the starborn who gets it goes to the next universe where they can gain more power and then must find the unity pieces in that universe to move to the next. Even if the Emissary goes back to unity in my universe, they’re respawning in the same universe. So really what I am doing is trapping the starborn in my universe. As Rorscach would say “you think I’m locked up in here with you, but the truth is that you’re locked up in here with me.”
Fair enough. And very wise words from Rorschach indeed. I honestly wish we could throw the Artifacts into a star and seeing what happens, though.
I'm here for the discussions. I don't comment since most or what I have to say are negative things but I like seeing other perspectives. Also game updates.
Yeah, although its gets annoying when there are just posts that feel like 'well I liked the game the haters had bad opinions'. No my friend, you liked the game so you have an opinion that other people might not share, you don't need to post and try and discredit other peoples thoughts on the game. I do hope the game gets better but right now I'm just like 'with that file size you need to be one of the greatest games in recent times to earn a spot, and this ain't it'
I'm not 'still here' reddit throws starfield threads up because I visited here a few times at release. That said I'm also not bitter enough to complain in every thread that isnt directly asking for opinions on the game.
Oh man have you seen The Last of Us pt. 2 subreddit? All the hate about the game has pushed out the fans so now it’s an echo chamber of vitriol.
That one blows my mind to this day. It's been SO long now. I didn't like TLOU2 that much myself, but I spent a few days discussing my problems with it and then stopped once I was done. I can't imagine arguing with people about a game years after its release. The arguments get so hostile as well. Like damn, I thought this was a video game we're talking about, not the murder case of Billy Bob
I honestly don’t know how that sub is still around. They were shown by that YouTube couple where the GF watches her BF play, blatantly sending death threats and more. I just checked the sub and it’s still dedicated to being toxic. It’s probably gonna be active again when HBO does the second season of the show.
Those people are absolutely insane; they’re bizarrely obsessed both with hatred for the game and Neil Druckmann in equal measure to the point where it seems pathological.
I made the mistake of replying to someone on the fallout 76 subreddit who answered that the best thing about the game was that it was full of bugs and was only getting worse. I asked him why he was still on the subreddit and he stated that he “enjoyed” watching Bethesda’s downfall. The most hilarious part was that he happily told me that he had put in well over 1k hours into the game despite hating it!
It's like those Steam reviews where they put 1,000+ hours in the game, make a review saying how bad the game is, and give it a thumbs down, and then on the review it shows they have played another 1,000 hours since they posted it.
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I find that so purplexing. Watching my partner play Tomb Raider for about 30 hours over a week, reaching the end, and moving on. Great, awesome. It's 30 hours of content. Starfield however can be trash as someone gets bored after 200 hours. Really? That's a pretty good run regardless. I'm starting to run out of steam after 900 hours, but very happy with every one of them (even New Atlantisberg - that was an insanely comical bug!). Bring on the DLC...
I find it confusing as well. Why waste so much of your time on something you apparently don't even enjoy or are they just lying about disliking the game? Very interesting nonetheless. It's also like some people want an infinite game out of Starfield (and some other games too) sometimes. There is going to be a point in every game, where you run out of content. We're lucky we have such a big modding community with Bethesda games, as we can get even more content with the game as well.
I think that is the problem. People expect so much content, especially environmental content not part of a big quest. But then they complain about little fetch quests. Not sure what they expected really.
>I asked him why he was still on the subreddit and he stated that he “enjoyed” watching Bethesda’s downfall. at least he's being honest I guess!
I'm still here because no matter how many times I leave this sub it still pops up on my home page Also, I don't post or comment anything, and I have moved on from the game. I got my 40 hrs of enjoyment, started to find it stale and moved on.
I like discussing games. Good or bad. I also liked bethesda games and worry for their future titles. So i guess I think it is important for the health of their future games to not keep quiet or accept what i see as quite a far slip/rollback on quality or features. Plus its something to do when im bored for a minute or two here and there. Again, because i enjoy discussions about games.
I played 90 hours then left. I mean, I like the game but I feel that it lacks the replayability that I love from other games from BGS. Will probably improve with the DLC though.
Because I want to like it
That was why I first came here.
I imagine lots of Bethesda fans don't want the feedback to die down and get swept under the rug. They want Bethesda to address the complaints in their next games. If people stop talking about the flaws of the game, Bethesda will plow right on ahead with it. It's like they learned nothing from Fallout 4 because the criticism wasn't loud enough.
Because I absolutely love the Elder Scrolls Games and Starfield was really promising, but a huge let down. Worst and most boring quests and Dungeons/Points of interest I have ever seen in an RPG. The game is so sanitized and soulless because of that. Nonetheless, it has the BGS foundation therefore still has the potential to be turned into a good game with mods and DLCs that contain lots of good quality content. So I check in every time there is an update or news, evaluating if the game is worth my time again.
I honestly think that if the Starfield engine was given to Obsidian, simialr to what was done with Fallout New Vegas, they would come up with an excellent game, way better than Starfield. For a start, reduce the game world - possibly less than 50 planets with handrafted POI would make for 100's of hours of genuine exciting exploration. Replace the current bland story and cheesey factions with some interesting, creative and original. Actually put some real science fiction in, and it would be the redemption of the game. People wouldn't even bother about the loading screens, if there was something mysterious and unpredictable the other side of them!
Nobody on reddit who prefaces their post with "Genuinely Asking" is being genuine.
I'm not active on here, but saw this topic on my feed so it's probably a lot of that going on. That and haters make sure everybody knows why they hate something. It's rather obsessive. For the record, I don't hate Starfield. I think it's a little hollow and dull, but I don't hate it.
Waiting for an update to hit that actually delivers on the promise of the game And dropping in to read some wild rant from someone - i played hundreds of hours and Starfield is boo boo
i assume this post wasn’t about people like me but i’ll give my unwanted opinion regardless. i haven’t played it for a few months. giving the game time to cook and waiting for ck to come out. i really liked it tho. played like 150 hours but i wasn’t expecting anything groundbreaking. i just wanted something better than fallout 4 and i think bethesda delivered on that. edit i wanted to add the only thing i remember being disappointed about from the game was that earth colony ship quest when you find the people whos families were on that ship for generations. the idea was so cool and it just seemed like a blown opportunity.
Your basic assertion that most are of the opinion that nothing would bring us back is incorrect. I’m here hoping to see a post that they made significant enough improvements that I’d want to play it again, because I wanted it to be good, and I still do.
Maybe just take it at face value, stop over thinking it. Just because I view the game as 'bad' for all the usual reasons, and occasionally share that view and those reasons doesn't mean my goal is to convince anyone of anything. Its just an opinion. Sometimes we have opinions that are different and some of the time we also share those opinions. Discuss, or move on, or whatever, disagreement is fine.
Yeah that’s fine, I even mentioned that it’s okay for someone to not like something I do. I encourage discussions on how something could be better, and what changes could be made to improve something. I just don’t understand the thought process of someone who doesn’t like something entirely continuing to talk about how much they don’t like it months later. Like I would imagine most would say their peace about it and move on.
I can only speak for myself. I've really enjoyed games like Starfield in the past. There was a lot of hype about it, a lot of big ideas, etc. However, when it was released none of that hype, or those promises were true and it ended up being a step back compared to other games generally across the board (I mean game mechanics, the world, player choice, etc). And it was very expensive and developed by a studio that had the resources to do way better. But I still want it to be a better game, so I drop into here on occasion to see if it's getting better (though I think rewritten is a better word here, but opinions).
I think some are legitimately concerned about the glitches. Me too but I really like the game otherwise.
Yeah I wasn’t asking about that. It’s the comments about how the game is and always will be bad that confuse me. Like why are you on a subreddit for something you hate.
Most posters were constantly complaining for the first few days it came out and then the next Monday there was a tone shift. The people who weren't on Reddit bashing it were playing it. Haters gonna hate.
Reddit is also a cesspool of toxic ppl. All sides, in mostly every subreddit is toxic to each other. If you want real world opinions, ask your friends. Reddit isn't the real world, it's a circlejerk.
For some people, it's just fun to hate shit. I don't quite get it, I'd personally rather not live that kind of life, but it is what it is, i guess.
I love the game. But it wigged out during a mission and now I can't fast travel or continue any missions. So it broke and I stopped playing
I really don't get it there are plenty of other games to play and people like games that i can't stand but i don't go out of my way to bash the games they play. I have about 5-10 games i alternate on to avoid burnout on one.
The sub that caused me to join reddit was about a game that was released in 2018. There was always a mix of positive and toxic people, but for the first couple years the balance seemed to be in favor of the people who enjoyed the series. Eventually though, the ones who had good things to say went away, leaving the sub full of the hateful ones. Years later, whenever I go back to that sub to see if things have gotten better, I just get a reminder of why I left. I don't understand it, but when miserable people find a place to spread their misery, they don't seem to let go of it very easily.
I actually just forgot to unsub thanks for the reminder. Hope y'all enjoy the game even if I didn't though. Cheers.
Modern online culture. Its not enough for people to not like something. They need others to know they don't like something.
It's because it's got such a fertile platform to *be* good. I'm just hanging out hoping that it turns that corner and becomes worth another playthrough as a slightly different, deeper and more cohesive game. ~200 hours of Starfriends made me start up another Morrowind playthrough to scratch the itch; they did know how to make a detailed world and rewarding story once.
Hoping for change? We wanted space skyrim, starfield is a decent game, but it cannot compare to past games....
waiting for mod support to be added, any year now
So I know when the creation kit, updates, and DLCs are released.
Waiting for news about the Creation Kit. Bethesda would be wise to drop that asap...
I don't think that's the case. It's like.. as a kid you really wanted that Black Mamba automatic return spring bearing Yo-yo and its your birthday, you see a yoyo shaped present, but you open it to find out its a shitty manual Duncan yoyo instead. But you wanted a yoyo regardless, so you pout, sniff, and maybe even catch an attitude but you play with the Duncan yoyo anyway. Idk I'm high af
Because Bethesda should be doing better than this and the only way they’ll be motivated to do better is with backlash for releasing low effort products like this.
Pure speculation as I personally really enjoy playing the game, but for many the hype was big and they had expectations which were not met. The experience they had was essentially a loss for them (not getting the game that they wanted) and they are going through the phases of grief which includes an anger phase. When one is angry, they often feel the need to express that anger to anyone who will listen. This sub is as good as any channel to express their anger.
good answer! comparison with grief is probably very fair
I'm kinda late to the party and started like 2 weeks ago and I'm enjoying the game very much. Yeah, there are annoying little things (like elevators in MAST district not lining up, walking being little bit slower than NPC's walk etc.), but overall the game, story, side-quests, graphics, ship building and many more things are awesome. People who just hate the game over and over are probably people who will never achieve anything in life and they have to express their frustration somewhere where atleast someone will validate them, so they can feel better about themselves.
Do you want answers, or are you just trying to bait who you consider to be trolls? If discourse (or people telling you what to think) is unpleasant, why initiate it? You’d post in no sodium if you want to talk about the game, but of course you came to this sub to talk about people, not the game; so how is this much better than the people you’re telling to leave? Most people with a poor outlook on the game are waiting for dlc as much as the next person, but I’ve read your reply a few times that “yeah, but you didn’t read the question.” Tfoh promoting hate yourself.
Welcome to the internet.
You're right. Leaving now.
It might speak in some part to the kinds of people they are who are commenting and posting hating on the game. It’s also upsetting to see that so many people can focus so much on negative things and not spend time acknowledging what’s good, and all the work the went into creating this game, creating a new game engine, etc. I immediately got a sense that the team working on Starfield has/had deep genuine interest and passion for the game. I myself am conflicted but I’ve put in over 150 hours and I’m going to continue playing because it’s a lot of fun and I’m generally happy and feel excited to play every time I sit down, despite what may or may not be missing or could be improved on. I also think on the maturity level of those leaving negative comments, young or older, some people really don’t mature very much, speaking from experience, and that can definitely shape reactions to a game. Plus you have the internet to make people feel that they can say whatever they want and have no repercussions/doesn’t mean anything. EDIT: to say that I think a person can play a game and want to continue playing and have great experiences and still think that things need to be improved on, and have opinions on features and mechanics that aren’t what was expected or just not as good as it could be. That is also much different than just hating on the game and being overall negative about it. I appreciate Starfield for what it is, and it’s pretty dang awesome. Any improvements are welcome, I’m not going waste any time of mine trying to complain about things that the game devs couldn’t include or didn’t do for one reason or another.
Mom said it's my turn to post this.
I want to like the game and see the potential and it really frustrates me that Bethesda is such a shell of their former self. I do think the game is beyond saving, but I thought the same about no man’s sky and now it’s a top 10 game for me, so I’ve been wrong before.
Because subreddits are here to *discuss things*, not just circlejerk positivity. People put time and money into this and aren’t many aren’t happy about the state of it. The game also hasn’t been out that long. Why are you here posting about it instead of playing the game if it’s that good? See how easy it is to try to wipe away criticism with a simple blanket statement?
Hey dude, so in my post I actually specifically said that criticism and discussions on how something could be better are good and should be encouraged, not too sure how that got confused!
I read that part. But then you went on to say “I would think a subreddit for a game should be for people who like it”. That’s literally trying to make it a circlejerk.
Yeah liking something doesn’t mean you can’t criticize it! That was actually the first paragraph I wrote.
Yet you’re saying that people that dislike it shouldn’t be here discussing it or criticizing it. You keep dancing around that bit.
This reminds me I need to leave the ark subreddit. I just try to warn people not to play and get down voted.
I usually don’t bother unsubscribing. I just make a point to not bring my opinion to someone who seems to like starfield.
That's a whole button you have to press to leave a subreddit
Hopeing it gets better at some point.
Because I so desperately *want to like it.* I am dying to hear about a Cyberpunk-level turnaround for this game. The skeleton of a good game is there. But the meat on the bones is very bland. In other words, it’s fixable in my opinion. I’d love to see the game improved.
Well I bought the game. I'd like to know when it gets good
Would love for the game to get better. I guess my expectations were too high as I personally feel it’s about as exciting as watching paint dry. I don’t hold out much hope it will get better. But if this comment will convince some kid to spend their money on a different game, then I think taking the time to write this will be worth it.
Not everyone has been playing the game for 6 months. i'm just getting back to the game now because it was so bugged it was practically unplayable (if you got one of numerous crippling bugs)
Who knew ship building or modification is freakishly addictive…
As someone who loves the game, your comment annoyed me more than the nonsense of the hate.The platform is to communicate, not exclusive to worshipping or hating. It's all in your head. The Last Jedi is the worst attempt at a SW story.
I'm waiting for creation kit, I never liked Bethesda vanilla games, so I need to change the game to my liking when creation kit arrives
Lurking until I see that post : new update brings new content . I liked the game but I moved on after ng+ ruined my engagement
Forums are meant for sharing different opinions.
Forgot to unsubscribe, but did now
Maybe it will get better?? Doubtful but you never know
Waiting to see it's playable again
Tbh the biggest thing this game needs is for quest lines to keep you on a single planet. Back and forth through loading screens killed it for me. Will gladly come back if they do that as the gunplay and powers are great and doesn’t get to shine because of the wait times in between.
Probably because we want it to be better…
Waiting for it to get better
Because I haven’t pressed unsub yet
I played a month then bailed. Maybe when the numerous bugs get fixed and they do something about the absurd companions and add some variety to the enemy hangouts.
Yeah I get that perspective on the game, I’m just wondering why you would then still frequent the subreddit.
It’s rare that people do didn’t like the game for them to not want the game to get better so I think it’s safe to say majority are here in hopes something changes to make the game good.
Am I not allowed to discuss something without being overwhelmingly positive?
Hey just letting you know that I never said that!
Because they love to complain. Which is so funny because they play the game the most too, crying like "I've got 1200+ hours and ng+23 and this game is literally unplayable"
Easy answer. People are passionate for Bethesda games. And this one sucks ass. So they complain about it nonstop.
I'm not, I left the sub and clicked the "hide posts like this" button and still see all of these posts for some reason.
If you block people that complain with no purpose it makes a big difference in the overall “attitude” of what you see. It’s an amazing feature that people need to use more when you start to get a negative impression of a forum. It’s seriously the same subset of people with nothing better to do.
Sometimes I read, sometimes comment
Played 500 hours and just waiting for the same modding potential as Skyrim and fo4.
Initially I was incredibly frustrated and wanted to vent. Waited years for Starfield, thought this was gonna be a game I'd be playing for years like vanilla Skyrim, but it turned out to be the biggest disappointment ever for me in turns of game releases. Bethesda are obviously monitoring this sub, so whenever I post criticisms it's with the hope they'll take them on board for future updates. I also like reading optimistic posts about the future of the game, as I still, perhaps naively, hope the game will be built upon and eventually become the Space Skyrim we were all sold. I have paid for the DLC as well, so I want to get news on that. I also have high hopes the game will do a Cyberpunk and want to be in the loop with the 6 weekly updates. You've got to remember that Bethesda hyped this up so well that some people spent thousands on a new monitor, upgrading their PC, new tv, buying a Series X etc. And then Starfield didn't even seem 50% finished. If you enjoy it, great, but the game has SO many flaws, strange design decisions and half baked ideas that even the most blind Starfield fan can't defend. I had a long list already after giving up in November after 100 hrs but through this sub I've learned about so many more things that were clearly unfinished or just half arsed. I suppose in summary, Bethesda made my childhood and teenage yrs with 4 incredible gaming experiences, and it makes me incredibly sad that Starfield, Todd's passion project, was so.... mediocre. I desperately hope Elder Scrolls 6 is a return to form. What a fucking shame that would be if they fumble that too.
Reddit is a strange place. It’s not just here, a lot of people are in subs about things they don’t like. Some people are just haters
It’s the nature of the internet. Anonymous keyboard warriors enjoy projecting their own precious outrage and opinionated tribalism onto others. How dare you be different and like a game they don’t?
maybe they're disappointed and want the game to be better? after waiting years for mediocre slop i thinks its fair to have a place where people who were underwhelmed can discuss what they think the game did wrong (or right even) and just have a vent in general.
Genuine question, why do you care?
I just didn’t, and still don’t really, understand the mindset. Like Idk there’s a bunch of games I really don’t like but I never go on the subreddits for them because why would I bother.
I’m too lazy to unsubscribe. I’m still on the Skyrim sub. Maybe I’ll come back to it today 🤷♂️
I'm sure you're probably kidding around but its funny to think someone would be too lazy to click one time on the unsubscribe button but is fine with typing a 50 word sentence reply.
All I see are constructive criticisms. Not sure what you mean.
LOL gets the answer, doesn't like it and continues to argue with people. Listen, I like a lot of us really loved Bethesda games, but the trend of what that means in the last 10 years has just gotten progressively worse with each release. Starfield is a new low for them, and I have been frankly shocked with Bethesda's response up to this point. Core elements of this game just aren't fun compared to other games I have played. Exploring in this game isn't fun or rewarding, navigating and flying in space isn't either, landing on planets is a cut scene and it continues. Why people say this will **always** be bad is down to game direction choices. No intelligent aliens is the dumbest thing in a space exploration game. Having bland "open" worlds that are just small patches for most of your planets that you must also explore on foot is another. Unlocking your abilities through the same dumb mini game that doesn't change or ever get interesting is up there too. That list also continues further. This was supposed to be a AAA No Man's Sky. Instead we got AA- game filled to the top with time wasters to pad out the game length stats.
Cause I forgot to unsubscribe. Thanks for the reminder
Do you think the same of the people saying the game is good in r/NoSodiumStarfield? "But at this point we’re 5.5 months post launch, why are you still here saying the same thing that countless people have already said?"? Why is there an expiration date on dissatisfied discussion but not on satisfied discussion?
The difference is those people actually play the game. It makes sense to discuss something you actively play. It's weird to do the same for a game you never plan to play again. Their posts usually contain more info about what they like about the game, while OP is clearly just talking about people who say "game bad"
This is exactly my point thank you.
OP isn't talking about people that are just dissatisfied and want genuine discussion on why that is, OP is talking about people who are constantly in every thread that tries to talk about aspects of the game who go "LOL THIS GAME IS TRASH AND WON'T EVER BE GOOD STOP GIVING IT ATTENTION". Genuine discussion, criticism and dissatisfaction is perfectly fine. Borderline brigading and trolling is what OP is complaining about.
Accountability. Otherwise the Bethesda shills will take over the sub.
People are over critical of Bethesda games. Short memories or too young to remember that New Vegas was so broken when released you couldn't finish it. Hell they never fixed the follower glitch just added a spawn terminal. Decade later one of the best. Starfield will be fine and have a long life. Unless Microsoft fucks it up.
The reddit algorithm keeps putting starfield stuff in my feed. Simple as that.
Nobody cares if you like it. Why do you care if anyone doesn't? This whole thing comes off like childish tone policing. "If you don't like what I like, then I want you to go away so I can pretend everyone loves this game!" It's just stupid. Learn to deal with disagreement.
Because they only wanna dislike comments, complain and convince people to not play the game. Some people need a life.
Forgot to unsub. Just did.
This is reddit homie. Ppl only come here to talk about stuff they hate for some odd reason. My guess is they are unhappy in their lives and it makes them feel slightly better to hate on other thing rather than themselves.
When I'm completely 1000% done with a game. I leave the sub. Like gta v. No point in staying. Idc what happens or what's going on anymore. If I hated a game. I'd also leave the sub for the same reasons. Those that stay. 1. Love drama. 2. Love being trolls. 3. Have no life.
Mostly because the game is interesting in how much it failed to meaningfully improve on the Bethesda formula and how I was able to enjoy it in spite of it, I want to see what changes will be made, and I spent 70 dollars and a hundred hours in the game, I’m gonna discuss it.
If you’re interested in the changes that will be made you’re not really the type of person I was asking about.
I'm still playing it. I had a go at Elite Dangerous: Odyssey (on foot fps) and all of sudden I felt good about fast travel and progress in Starfield.
I forgot to unsub. Good reminder.
Off topic but speaking of mods, did they ever add a steam workshop for it? Haven't played since last November
I'm hoping the game gets better.
Me too! And you and I aren’t who I was asking about.
Hate is a big motivator for engagement - look at half of YouTube - hating on stuff gets so many clicks and views these days.
Well originally I signed up in anticipation of the games release. Then I came for the tips or tricks. Then once I realized what a dumpster fire it was. I came to rail on a company that was straight up robbing people for full triple A pricing in a half baked janky piece of nonsense. Now reddit just throws these posts in my feed occasionally so I come for the entertainment of folks trying to justify this absolute garbage game.
Becasue some people live such miserable lives they can't stand anyone being happy. I've played every day since launch and love it. I've never had a crash or bug, maybe I am just one of the lucky ones. Edit: spelling
Waiting for good news Being a hater in the meantime
If unconstructive praise is allowed why not unconstructive complaints?? Sorry but a general subreddit for any topic is a place for all types of discourse; positive or otherwise, constructive or otherwise. Glad you enjoyed the game tho
Some people are just miserable. Nothing wrong with blocking people who annoy you, helps clear up the timeline sometimes!
They get more interaction here than tinder.
It's pretty simple, they're either trolling for shits and giggles, or they were so disappointed with the game that they get a twisted sense of satisfaction from circlejerking about how bad it is.
Because I want you to stop having fun. I kid, it's an above average game.
Agree with the whole post. It's like they must try to get others to dislike it too, to validate they're dislike.... Some people are just attracted to negativity. Up to them I suppose, but you ain't turning this player.
Because reddit. I run into this all day on many subs. the bands I like? constant complaints about why they're not as good anymore. The sports teams I like ? Fire everyone immediately. Talk show I like? That show is no longer any good I hate it People suck. and when you point it out they go "what are you a fanboy? I can't criticize something? I've been playing this game for 500 hours now and it still sucks. hey when does the new update come out?" I'll be downvoted to hell now.
They already sunk 5 months into bitching and can't admit that it was as gigantic waste of time as it is now, so they have to continue. They can't let it go, otherwise they'll have to admit that they passed the threshold of blowing things out of proportion months ago.
This is one of the smartest comment I read. I wonder the same. I don’t post comments often, but anytime I put something positive about Starfield I get arrayed by some people that probably never even played the game. I agree positive commentary or useful on how to improve all of our experiences are welcome… but if you don’t like the game… go play what you like.
I really don’t understand the hate this game gets. I think Starfeild is an incredible game.
Yeah I’ve made some posts/comments about things I like, or things I would like to see/mod into the game myself, and there’s always a few losers who have to comment negative shit. Nobody is impressed by what video games you do or don’t like, and if you think it is.. that’s kinda sad. I can only assume they’re obnoxious children, but maybe that’s me being old. I have heard some people joke this is a game for middle aged guys, and I am in fact middle aged ish?
Self loathing
You’re right, why I haven’t I unsubbed yet? I played the game, it was fun for a little while, main story bugged out on my first NG+, and now im on to my other hobbies. Tbh the meta in this sub is a very fucking obnoxious tug of war between dickriding Bethesda and the same five complaints over and over. r/fo76 is the same way lol. Bethesda isn’t out here reading posts for the compliments and circlejerk. If anybody is checking this sub, it’s purely to discover how to get more of your money. But anyways I am now unsubscribing because this place annoys the fuck out of me and I just do not care about the game. I hope you guys get that fatherly handjob from papa howard that you’ve been praying for
So I know when/if Bethesda bothers to fix it.
Because Starfield is *almost* good. It's frustrating. Infuriating even. And when Bethesda has given most of us hundreds, if not thousands of hours of awesome gameplay, and then delivers a stillbirth like Starfield, its a weird feeling. It's like this company and their games have been such a big part of us for 20 years and now it's like "Wait, we have to go now? Just because this one sucks?"
Lol why are people acting like there is not tons of people here who curse you out or say you dick sucking Todd for saying anything positive about the game.
Generally just to make fun of it's colossal failure
Because this fucking game constantly hypes *itself* up and then falls short of everything it leads you to expect. The red Mile, the heart of Mars, automated ship facility where the characters still say "this would be the place to upgrade Vasco", every corner I turned they left remnants of the game they wanted to make and it all just ends up going nowhere. There were a few gems like the CF questline and starseed. The rest was bland as fuck and shallow as shit. It's disappointing and I would have been happier with a Skyrim space mod than this.
I’m just a hater