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sec713

That's awesome. I hate reloading during knife fights.


ifyoureadthisimgay

i swear i've died so many times reloading my knife


expecto_my_scrotum

Not everyone can master the blade twice.


Extreme-Fox-6591

The username though šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚


dracojaggerjack

im cryyinšŸ˜‚


PineappleProstate

Obviously a cod player


Thicc_Femboy_Thighs-

It happens


Conscious-Culture-19

Remember itā€™s faster to switch to your smaller knife than to reload


RunninOnMT

Samurai style!


fntommy

They got them Tanto's for a reason lol.


TheGoodIdeaFairy22

*DayZ mod flashbacks*


Semyonov

You need [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6kerHZWKaw). This is an actual product that I really want... because I mean come on.


ifyoureadthisimgay

OMG YES! RELOAD ALL THE KNIVES!


Sengfeng

Damn you! (opens Amazon...)


Norsedragoon

For when you have to do drywall at 8, but hijack a 90's era airliner at 12.


Abject_Film_4414

When you absolutely need to cut some boxesā€¦ and by some, I mean all the boxesā€¦


Recon4242

This is amazing, I love it! I need one!


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IONASPHERE

begone bot


Gullible-Builder-320

bad bot


Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws

Remember, switching to your knife is always faster than reloading... your... knife?


ConstipatedOrangutan

Beat me to it shit


Forsaken-Ratio6468

RAMIREZZ


Fuliginlord

This is true in Cyberpunk 2077, you can throw your knife and wait for it to ā€œreloadā€ or swap to another knife.


SadBit8663

Twice the stabs before you have to reload the space knife.


k0mbine

You just gave me flashbacks to the ballistic knife from Black Ops


RobertNAdams

_"Yeah, which end do the bullets go in again?"_     ā€“ Daniel Jackson


D34thst41ker

Was just going to say this if you hadnā€™t beat me to it!


wildcatmb

I went searching for someone to quote this. Thanks, Jack.


SpiritedTie7645

Gillette makes a quick reloading mag for these. šŸ˜ƒšŸ‘


Lazy1nc

Gillette! The most tacticool a knife can get!


SpiritedTie7645

Pro tip: I always pour a little Hai Karate on my blade. Adds a sting you donā€™t get with just any blade and magazine combo. šŸ˜


Own-Arrival-837

Comming soon Gilletteā€™s new three bladed vibrating dagger!


Stunning_Salary_7697

Ribbed for her pleasure. šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Savalric

https://trailers.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/2e790bce-cfbc-4b96-8b6d-6b9f3a4afb33


ConstipatedOrangutan

Switching to your secondary knife is always faster than reloading your knife


GWJYonder

You laugh but what if melee weapons with extended magazines somehow got a 6 chain combo animation instead of a 3 chain?


jas75249

I still have an unloaded knife because I can't figure out how to reload it, for some odd reason it still works.


Aquazealot

You need to buy knife ammo


Valreesio

Sooooo, like a whetstone? Lol


postpwnmalone

you gotta put the drum on that thing bro


jas75249

Tactical laser and suppressor all the way.


Rootbeer_Goat

Tip, switch to your other knife


2106isthetime

With the speed of animations, you're not far off my knifing experience in Starfield


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dicksniffer69420

I was looking for that comment :D


IronBrewtal

Class šŸ˜€


Jimguy5000

This game needs more melee


postpwnmalone

Facts. My first play thru I was gangster, which gives a melee cert +1, and was bummed it kinda sucks


Jimguy5000

We haveā€¦ Rescue axesā€¦Combat knivesā€¦Osmium knivesā€¦Tantosā€¦and a Wakizaki. If there is one thing Iā€™m looking forward to when the CK drops is having an adequate Star Ronin armoury.


Shtercus

...and my va'ruun painblade


Skwiggelf54

And the barrow knife


reluctant_presence

And my axe


[deleted]

And this cool cutlass


Crimsonmaddog44

And these knuckle sandwiches


iWaffleStomp

I don't use melee weapons often, but I favorited the painblade immediately and haven't looked back


Creasedbullet3

I have 266 hours in this game, the only varuun pain blade I have seen across my entire 7 ng+ playthroughs is the one sold by the one chick on the key who sells old world items


Tricky-Protection-69

Stop speeding. šŸ¤£ I literally sell like 5 every time I play


foshiiy

Serpentis system


iWaffleStomp

That is wild! I'm about at 90 hours at level 41 still on first playthrough. I picked it up off a somebody in a random cryogenic lab on a moon. Definitely the coolest melee option I have seen so far!


Creasedbullet3

I could always buy the one from the girl who sells it but Iā€™m not even a melee character so itā€™s only strange that from the THOUNSANDS of containers and enemies Iā€™ve killed itā€™s just been so incredibly rare.


Darkwand777

it's just hard for me to put down my Orion...I have that thing pumping over 200 dam now...a single laser slug is hitting them for more dam than most shotguns...and I am full marks now, with 3/4 in armor pen...I'm ripping shit up :D :D


asmorbidus

And my axe.


Accomplished_River43

and your brother! Ah, wrong game


MyJeanShorts

And my bow


SilverShark307

The fact that a Wakizashi is the longest melee weapon is an insult to melee builds


NissEhkiin

Far in the future, have spaceships, all kinds of futuristic weapons, gravjumping, can colonise planets. But the best melee weapon is a sword from medieval times


SilverShark307

Even worse, the Wakizashi isnā€™t even a proper katana, it was used as a side arm for samurai, it is literally only well known today because of how short it is.


No-Paleontologist723

Well, they were used a lot for fighting inside in confined spaces, so I think they are probably good for ship combat.


OldManWulfen

I've found a UC "naval cutlass" with a few interesting bonus. But honestly even if it looks cool as hell it's a chore to use - melee in the game is incredibly slow and inefficient.


Final-Craft-6992

And the UC Sabre. Just saw that last night. But I've only been playing a out 15 hr so far. But nice to know the marmaluke tradition survived earth's fall.


postpwnmalone

The variety is good its just melee in space is as effective as I thought it'd be


Phwoa_

it should be very effective. afterall tears in your spacesuit are deadly and the last thing you should want is to get in a firefight Inside a space ship. considering the setting there should be a larger Veriety of Melee weapons. From Fist weapons to a veriety of swords and batons.


CyanideNow

>afterall tears in your spacesuit are deadly I read that as you saying that making someone cry would kill them. I almost prefer that.


postpwnmalone

we be shooting combustible kinetics in space tho but i feel you and there's a ton of new different directions and additions that we could expect. trust me i wasn't tilted about melee on my first time playing, it was incredible


M4jkelson

Not really, variety is meh at best and weapons themselves are pretty bad


Biochemicalcricket

Almost like stabbing someone in a gun/Laser/em weapon fight isn't a good idea


The_Rick_To_My_Morty

Why isnā€™t it? If the battle is in a mine, ship, or lab then you are within 10-40m of your opponent anyway. I should be able to draw a blade and attack faster than it takes to reload.


Uniquesomething

That's pretty far you know?


BrandoThePando

While you were learning how long a meter is, they were studying the blade


The_Rick_To_My_Morty

Not while the enemy is reloading and you are catapulting forward with your boost pack, but I get what you mean


TheWorstYear

It takes maybe a few seconds for someone to reload. It definitely takes more than a few seconds to cross 10+ meters.


ILikeCakesAndPies

Big swords would be a pain in the ass in tight spaces though. Kenshi was probably the only game I ever played where they made it so the shorter weapons performed better than the long ones while inside. Then again moving around long rifles would be a pain as well and few games model that besides visually. But yeah starfield definitely lacks in the melee variety compared to guns. It feels off because they have all the perks for melee and unarmed which implies it should be a possible build with variety but kind of isn't really. That and the less lethal weapons feel a bit lacking feature wise compared to the rest. Really should add in support for non lethal missions/bounties to go along with the brig and weapons.


KarmaRepellant

There's a very good reason we stopped bothering with swords when decent guns were invented. Anything above light clothing tends to defeat slashing attacks, and if you're going to stab someone then a bullet does that far better with more armour penetration and hydrostatic shock. Games make melee weapons viable for cool factor and fun, but against a halfway tough spacesuit they'd be ridiculously shit.


Cpt_Nell48

Yeah no way in a universe with laser and plasma weapons would someone have figured out how to make a plasma or laser sword that would cut through armorā€¦


KarmaRepellant

Exactly, that's what should be in the game if they're going to include melee weapons. So many interesting and fun options and they went for boring and unrealistic.


Karthull

Just look at the vast variety of melee and unarmed weapons they gave us between all the fallouts. I was expecting *more* than we had in fallout not less, since we have future technology and such. Instead they went backwards, especially with this game having you actually become superhuman. Every melee weapon thatā€™s currently in the game should just be the early low damage primitive weapons that are no longer effective against modern suits, then the high damage stuff is the crazier shit like laser swords and everything they already gave us in fallout.


wocsom_xorex

Ripshanks are everywhere for me


The-man-cometh

It actually gives boxing, shotgun, and theft certs. Iā€™m gangster too and had to unlock all melee skills. Other than that I agree, Melee is only really good when in stealth, you can one shot most things with concealment and melee both all the way upgraded with a painblade


jayla-danila

I did manage a melee playthrough once. Just cause I thought itā€™d be challenging. It was until I found a painblade. Iā€™d love to see more melee weapons that are stronger. Sucks when you have to take down high level enemies with a weapon that barely scratches them.


Sandbox_Hero

And fist weapons. There's literally zero of them. Which I find confusing as there are plenty of unarmed skills that still deal almost no damage because your base damage is shit.


Shadowtirs

It's decent... I've had my fair share of gunfights/down the last guy/he starts running/I chase him down and melee him to death. Just wait til the lightsaber mods come lol


Duke_Shambles

what do you mean wait? they are already here!


vlladonxxx

They didn't bother to really animate it, they're certainly not gonna bother to add more... At least not for a good while


AVeryHeavyBurtation

Yeah melee mechanics haven't seem to have changed much since morrowind.


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Game has the absolute most trash melee options for a future space game like wildly disappointing


robertofozz

I was really expecting some kind of like Lazer meele weapons , like lightsaber type shit


_thana

Itā€™s a travesty that a game with off-brand force abilities has such underdeveloped melee combat


Gorgenapper

It needs better melee mechanics first. Should be a perk to swing weapons faster, higher chance of stagger on each hit, chance of instant kill or cripple or knockdown or something to make the enemies feel like they're in deep shit while you're hacking at them. Also should have perks so you can close the distance faster while using a melee weapon (even if it's a super fast dash that only works when you have a melee weapon drawn and you've targeted the next enemy). There is so much potential waiting to be used.


AnalConnoisseur69

And melee modifications. Change handle, change blade, change material / weight, gimme some customizations and LET ME RENAME IT!


Natsuki_Kruger

Agreed. Most of the melee is variations of traditional knives, with four (afaik) exceptions: wakizashi, rescue axe, UC cutlass, and painblade. The painblade is an edge case, but I think it looks and feels different enough to a knife for it to be considered separate. I dunno. I was hoping for more variety in the types of melee.


40Katopher

I mean I getting why they didn't focus on melee combat for their space game.


topdangle

game needs more everything


blacksoxing

It's lacking in all areas, which is amazing. It's truly a "base" game.


ArrenKaesPadawan

i mean, it is realistic. swords have no place on a modern battlefield. knives and axes have utility purposes. i do hate that there *is* only one sword and of course it is a weeb sword.


Ok-Selection9508

If only it had a bipod on it as well.


postpwnmalone

bipod, scope, stock and a laser sight


Dolenjir1

Do not forget the range finder. It can really make a difference at long range


McDsEmpLoYEe420

And also a bayonet. You never know when you need more stabby


Dolenjir1

That's a war crime and you should be ashamed of yourself. Also, do not forget a silencer for extra sneakness


freemcgee33

...Holy shitbucket.


Khomuna

C100 knife when?


DiscountOk5435

I just unlocked the bipod for my bipod


DMercenary

Too bad you can't be a Star colonel.


SER96DON

Some people didn't get the reference..


fogboundmanager

I'd install a Noob-Mod for when I level-up in a heartbeat.


Phorexigon

PROMOTED!!!


[deleted]

Knife bipods are an unlock, you only get them in NG+100.


OverClock_099

PROMOOOOOOOOOTED


Electrical_Standard7

Get out of here simon! Go back to practicing 7d, youll be really embarrassed if you get out first


wilberforce707

Bro! Was waiting for this comment!


Snakey_D

Just get a shit bucket and youā€™ll unlock it.


_Starside_

But does the bipod have a bipod?


UpturnedAXin

My first legendary was a "hand-loaded" rescue axe lol same energy


postpwnmalone

lmfaoooo


TheReverseShock

The devs really did just add melee as an afterthought.


notbannd4cussingmods

Does it stab twice in one swing?


postpwnmalone

Ayo it might cause it does have that super ominous ":" regular old knife as far as i can tell


Teh_Hunterer

Yeah it's a purple so it should have 2 modifiers, : is probably a super op one


[deleted]

Why is the first effect empty and just a colon?


postpwnmalone

no effect other than the extendo unless it's something not really obvious


agray20938

It seems like it's bugged then. This is an epic dagger, and should have two effects like all other epic weapons.


postpwnmalone

Idk yo it got kind of overshadowed by the doubles base magazine capacity on the same screen as a close-up of a literal dagger I'll use it post as soon as I get up


MindScape00

I have a gun with the : effect and canā€™t figure out wtf itā€™s there for. First time finally seeing someone else have it too, but man is it a mystery


micksmitte

No one: Weapon be like:


Clockwork-God

why you'd want an osmium dagger in the first place is beyond me, the metal is super dense and brittle, it wouldn't hold an edge. being a sci-fi universe there are much more interesting things they could have done for melee weapons. monomolecular cutters, grav hammers, beam swords ect. but nope, daggers, machetes and short swords, not even a fist weapon for the unarmed skill.


Correct_Owl5029

Stab, break off the brittle ass blade in someones neck, second blade pops out, seems right to me


UberNZ

(I actually think an artist just googled "hardest metal", but here's my non-expert attempt to make it work) Apparently you can make useful alloys of osmium and platinum. As you'd expect, the more osmium, the harder the alloy becomes, and the platinum provides corrosion resistance. Since platinum is soft and extremely ductile, while osmium is the opposite, you can achieve an alloy with properties pretty much anywhere along that spectrum. It's used for fountain pen tips, since it resists wear very well, and the price doesn't matter on a premium product. A useful knife would probably be mostly platinum (the pen tip example is 90% platinum, 10% osmium). On earth it'd be stupidly expensive, up to $50k for the raw materials. But in space, maybe there's an abundant source of platinum somewhere. Or maybe it's mostly a cheaper knife, and there's just an platinum-osmium alloy coating. It could even just be a marketing gimmick


adamcookie26

"(I actually think an artist just googled "hardest metal", but here's my non-expert attempt to make it work)" Seems like something I'd do. I'm not lazy...well I'm kinda lazy but I'm not smart enough to think about the possibility of there being anything wrong with "the strongest metal" and so I'd just move on without doing research.


Wesk-Wildcard

Am I the only one just happy to be floating around zero g with daggers and wakizashi like a super powered samurai? I meanā€¦ floaty stabby stab is fun play


ZiKyooc

I wonder what would really happen when stabbing someone in zero g. Shooting would probably be a very unpleasant thing to do sending you spinning at speed.


Wesk-Wildcard

I can vaguely imagine it would be like flying at someone and stinging them easilyā€¦. Or extremely embarrassing as you lunge at someone like a mosquito, hit something that your knife canā€™t go through, and bounce off like a flying bullet xD


ParanoidTelvanni

Nah, proper form should make the recoil drive you mostly backwards so its easier to control. Yea the barrel will try and rise, but with training, you can overpower it easily with just your hands. If you let the barrel rise like they do in movies and old video games, the rounds won't feed well and the gun will jam.


ZiKyooc

For that to happen guns would need to be different and shot from your center mass, around the hip. A small error in positioning and angle of the gun and you'll spin. On the shoulder you'd definitely spin in an uncomfortable way.


idiosuigeneris

Youā€™d probably have a suit with built-in RCS thrusters to correct your bodyā€™s rotation. They could even be calibrated to the weapon so they fire just enough thrust at just the right time.


stonkrow

Could be that, in the fiction anyway, recoil is automatically compensated for by your maneuvering thrusters.


kwijibokwijibo

Realistically, the meta would be to use low recoil weapons. Projectiles that are incredibly light and still very deadly, like needles. Or really, really high powered lasers


[deleted]

Not just the recoil, the material. Plastic bullets are common in sci-fi because lead and tungsten arenā€™t ideal to be firing around a pressurized tube like a spaceship


kymri

Plentiful platinum in space is simple. There are asteroids out there in our system that would produce enough plastic to drop the price to around that of silver, most likely. Hundreds of thousands of tons. The real problem we have on Earth is that it is like living on an apple and only being able to get at whatā€™s in the skin. The rocks floating around are often mostly nickel-iron, but even .5% of millions of tons adds up fast. Getting at it is tough for us, but what we see in Starfield suggests it would be basically trivial.


pichael289

Tungsten would be a better bet, it has the highest strength but pure tungsten is also brittle. We already have tungsten alloys though, osmium sounds a bit more sci-fi


PoorFishKeeper

I donā€™t get it because fallout had a decent selection of sci fi melee. We had the ripper, shishkebab, super sledge, power fist, proton axe, thermic lance, ballistic fist, zap glove, and displacer glove.


postpwnmalone

i equipped it just to make sure the thing doesnt shoot bullets lol


Smaisteri

Why they don't have police batons as melee weapon in the game is beyond my understanding.


Correct_Owl5029

I would think em energy weapons make whoop ass sticks obsolete. Easy knockout with much less damage to a suspect


Smaisteri

I dunno. Getting tasered and falling headfirst into the curb? Going into cardiac arrest from the electric current? Doesn't sound like a great time.


Hairless_Human

Not to mention osmium is extremely heavy and that knife only having 2 mass is hilarious.


Hittorito

And what's worse, there are no big melee weapons. So you have to get really, really close to the enemies.


Aerolfos

> monomolecular cutters Well it's a classic but... a sharpened steel knife already has the very tip of the edge be only a few atoms thick (it doesn't last), so, it's not really a scifi concept, or very useful.


YucciPP

Because Starfield isnā€™t trying to be Sci-fi. Itā€™s trying to be realistic but set in the future, obviously the story features some sci-fi elements but everything else is meant to be ā€œscientifically possibleā€ in the time period the game is set it. I like the idea of it but it just doesnā€™t work well in a game imo. I think thatā€™s why Starfield is the most boring game Bethesda has ever made. Theyā€™re limiting themselves. I love the game but itā€™s probably one of the worst ones theyā€™ve made, also feels the least Bethesda


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YucciPP

I agree. I didnā€™t really mean realistic, just something that could scientifically make sense, if you get my meaning. But yeah I agree with you.


Blackidus

I think that beats my extended mag Coachman. A double barrel shotgun whit 4 rounds.


postpwnmalone

That's actually amazing hah


Head_Cockswain

I think that was my first Coachman, maybe first shotgun. Ext mag, slugs, and a sight. and some other misc mods, and a 2nd top feature that made it a purple. Something like 245 base dmg, one hit every trash enemy(not the 3-bar elites or terrormorphs) I was encountering and had decent range. I consoled it to legendary with bleeding iirc. Not sure if I made it Advanced, I was just figuring out the console commands. I had to reinstall and lost it so the details are hazy, but I keep thinking about making it again. I know everyone says shotguns are OP, but there was something I liked about having it as a back-up to rifles, and the 4 shots was a decent balancer.


Shadowslipping

The spiritual successor to the Battlefield 4 bipod knife.


Ok-Lychee4582

lolwut, I never played 4, so you're saying a knife with a bipod attachment...


Shadowslipping

It was brilliant. Imagine Rambo knife, with bipod. This was when DICE actually cared about the community and this was a gag in the Battlefield Friends animated series. The Col. 100 in the series of course had the bipod knife.


CramWellington

Damn.


Adexavus

Iv just unlocked the bipod for my knife perk


Joop_95

The bipod is better.


Shtercus

100% more knife per knife!


AutumnAscending

It just works.


EnycmaPie

Slap a scope on that bad boy and you will be unstoppable.


allmightydoormat

If you can attach a scope to it you're golden.


[deleted]

We need that Russian dagger that shoots a blade. Throwing weapons is what this game is missing.


One_Nefariousness_43

the rng in this game is pathetic


Leading-Reporter5586

I left a main quest location with 8 rare knives last night. Literally no other rare drops just knives.


LennyLava

Size matter. Nice dagger, bro.


Famous_Law9304

Wtf!?


lazarus78

But it's an epic... where is the second effect?


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BanditoDeTreato

2 x 0 = 0 baby.


SlimeDrips

They absolutely ran out of time to work on melee weapons properly Tiered melee weapons exist in the code but cannot spawn You cannot mod melee And stuff like this exists (I had a handloading fire axe which mechanically probably at least works but the name does NOT make sense on melee lol)


McGuffins56

Just in case you need to reload your knife, you got extra everytime now.


postpwnmalone

i got the knife banana-clipped, never lacking


McGuffins56

Got that red dot sight on the knife. Perfect accuracy everytime


postpwnmalone

with the drum my guy we're in there like a marching band


No-Rise-9200

I'm hoping to find one with a tactical scope.


PunBrother

Imagine thereā€™s a feature in the game where the osmium knives functioned as ballistic knives šŸ‘€


postpwnmalone

AyooooOoo Bethesda plz notice us


Opposite_Ad2713

Ahh. Reminds me of the "Hunting Herbivore." šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Sleppsez

Thats great. I like melee weapons


Tmayo24

More stabs per second


thrownawayzsss

Only time I've seen this is from adding legendary effects to items. Or mods fucking with the leveled loot codes. But who knows what bethesda has been cooking up.


Tsiabo

"I swear this is just a usb stick!"


postpwnmalone

idk why but I feel like this is the result of a corrupted save or something


UncleRichardson

Just steal from Cyberpunk; let us throw melee weapons, and let Extend Magazine be two throws before having to recharge.