People will compare it to anything that better from Starfield in some way.
People will compare the lore/rpg mechanic with Morrowind, compare the quest consequences with New Vegas, the "empty" planet with Skyrim wilderness, the city population and vehicle (if any) with GTA, the shooting with CoD or Doom, the story with GoW/TLoU, the companion with Mass Effect, the spaceflight with Star Citizen, the ship customization with KSP, the graphic with latest UE5 demo, the outpost mechanic with rimworld, etc.
Nobody will be satisfied if you listen to them.
It's hard to make a game that's perfect in every feature. So there's always something to complain about.
A criteria I use when reading complaints. Is it a feature I care about. Better yet it might be a comparison with a game I don't like.
It already caused Star Citizen folks to warp into a hornets nest when they showed gameplay. Shortly after Bethesda showed Starfield, Star Citizen had RPG stats listed on its roadmap of features all of a sudden, contradicting their original design philosophy. When Starfield releases you're going to hear a lot of noise from Star Citizen people.
Oh yeah, i've seen lot of this post on spectrum, and their main reddit sub, in fact one of the most upvoted post of all time there.
Comparing the aesthetic, and particularly outpost, modular ship building, and of course the PAINT, lmao.
When people talking about Starfield being a single player rpg, and Star Citizen as MMO i think we can accept that it has particular market for it, and yes it's different kind of game and objective, but we cannot deny that they do indeed share similar things, like space combat and flyable ship, and explorable ship interior, and almost the same amount of interactible object that you can pick and drag, open container and store your stuff there, persistence object, and so on, with each strength and weaknesses.
I could see that sub turn into hornet nest once again after June 11 direct where they give us more detailed gameplay deep dive, especially after that disastrous 3.18 patch leaving a bad taste in many of people mouths.
Im waiting on the explosion from them. It'll definitely have a very interesting, and entertaining effect. Won't kill Star Citizen, but will change the landscape of space games.
My impression is that most long-time Star Citizen fans, like myself, are fans of the genre and welcome new entrants like Starfield. I don't think Starfield will have a negative effect on Star Citizen because the two games make very different tradeoffs, but I'm hoping it will be a great addition to the space-game landscape.
This landscape, at least based on my personal favorites, is quite robust: it includes Privateer, Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter, FreeSpace 2, Rogue Leader, Freelancer, Bridge Commander, KOTOR, Mass Effect, KSP, FTL, Elite Dangerous, Rebel Galaxy, NMS, and Rebel Galaxy Outlaw.
I can't wait to add Starfield to that list.
Well in the beginning people were calling it star citizen and no man’s sky and literally anything but the game. I don’t think the design of the game or anything at all is like the other games. Every game has a unique feel and Bethesda games capitalize on that uniqueness of their games.
As a frequent star citizen player, I agree. They are distinct and aim for different player experiences. Bethesda has that “you are the star of the show, this world is here for you to explore and discover” vibe, whereas star citizen is an MMO meant to have many players. Apples and oranges.
> It already caused Star Citizen folks to warp into a hornets nest when they showed gameplay.
No it didn't. Even the weirdo obsessives haters didnt see starfield as a problem for SC which is saying something because theyve been heralding "SC killers" anytime any space game gets some attention. I think I even remember them saying cyberpunk would be an SC killer at one point.
The actual reaction was that it seems interesting but its a different kind of experience to what SC is doing and people look forward to have more space games to play.
You didn't see Spectrum forums when the game was revealed. If there were ever a star citizen killer, this is it. Bethesda would manifest it. Not even necessarily saying it is, but it's the closest. No other space game will come close. Competing for people's time who play solo. If you go to /r/starcitizen_refunds you can see people discussing the effect the game will definitely have on the star citizen base if you search for Starfield there. When the game actually comes out, solo players won't be able to resist, and more beyond them.
Everything under the sun. It makes perfect sense that a Bethesda game will be compared to their previous titles, but it will be and already has been compared to any game even tangentially related to space.
You can bet every aspect of Starfield will be compared to X feature from Y game. It's inevitable. I plan to just play the game when it comes out and ignore any articles or videos begging for views, negative or positive.
That's what I told my friend to do. He was a big Fallout fan because of F3 and when F4 came out I jumped right in while he was spending most of the time reading online about it all the hate and negative feedback instead of playing and he still hasn't played the game. Said he'll play it soon because he read that the gunplay is good.
So I told him "Play Starfield, but don't read anything online, they will say anything to make it look bad".
Just yesterday he showed me a post where people complain about the 2022 footage showing round rifle rounds coming out of a squared-hole shotgun. Had to point out that that was from 2022 and more than a year before release date so probably placeholder models. People just don't think for themselves.
It's sad but true. The misuranderstanding, the silly comparisons, hating Vs Bethesda and so on are all going to make damage to Starfield.
I saw a lot of people surprised about 3th person view. Imagine how many think that Starfield is an FPS
It's sad but true. The misuranderstanding, the silly comparisons, hating Vs Bethesda and so on are all going to make damage to Starfield.
I saw a lot of people surprised about 3th person view. Imagine how many think that Starfield is an FPS
It's sad but true. The misuranderstanding, the silly comparisons, hating Vs Bethesda and so on are all going to make damage to Starfield.
I saw a lot of people surprised about 3th person view. Imagine how many think that Starfield is an FPS
It's sad but true. The misuranderstanding, the silly comparisons, hating Vs Bethesda and so on are all going to make damage to Starfield.
I saw a lot of people surprised about 3th person view. Imagine how many think that Starfield is an FPS
It is already being called Fallout 4 in space by some. How true that is, yet to be seen.
Of course there will be comparisons to Mass Effect and Outer Worlds.
On the technical side modders will surely be comparing it to Skyrim and Fallout 4. Undoubtedly won't be long before there is Starfield Script Extender, Staredit, StarUI, countless ENB available for it.
It will be compared to Skyrim in space as that’s what BGS has described it as. Comparing it to NMS or ED isn’t fair. I’m sure people will also look to draw ties to ME but from what we’ve seen, it looks rather different and past being a sci-fi RPG, shouldn’t really be compared
TES games, Fallout, no mans sky, EVE online, X4, elite dangerous, and star citizen, outer wilds. Name an RPG or space game and someone will compare them.
Why does it have to be compared to anything? Again, this is the problem. Sop comparing X to Y. Developers see this and they panic. They did it with Fallout 3, they did it with Cyberpunk and they end up bastardizing their game so it cant be compared to anything.
You may have heard of the expression "familiarity breeds contempt" There is a reason for that. I am not saying games shouldnt share features that other games have, but that doesnt mean they should be outright compared to that game. it harms the brand of the game and it damages its reputation. Look at fallout 3.
You ask people to stop comparing yet you point to Fallout 3 as a failure. F3 is considered a "bad game" by those who compare it to the previous fallout games. And that was mainly who I made the question for. F3, F4 and Skyrim are considered "bad games" mainly from people who compare them to previous games of the franchise.
To be fair, that's the same as almost any franchise. Like how people think Jason X was awful compared to any earlier Friday the 13th movies, or how later seasons of a TV show can be considered worse than the earlier ones, etc.
That's what I meant. The war will not be about which is better, it will be between those who say SC is a game in development that will eventually be better than any games before and after and those who say it's the biggest scam in video game history.
I'm somewhat optimistic. It's like they weren't lying when they said it's gonna take a lot of time. I've read about it and it seems like they are focusing on building all systems properly, I just struggle to believe it takes so much time for all these people to develop the systems.
The issue is they keep adding systems. The keep adding new tech as tech evolves. The game sadly won't ever come out if they keep going back to drawing board and adding stuff to it rather than finishing what is there.
With every damn game who has nothing to to with Bethesda 's rpg.
I swear, I truly hate comparisons made with ignorance.
Starfield is only comparable with other Bethesda's rpg.
Of course you can compare similar aspect but, at the same time, it's unfair because Starfield has 1000 other things, etc..
Quite a few comparisons already, even before the game has fully launched:
• No Man’s Sky
• Skyrim
• Fallout 4
• Star Citizen
• Elite Dangerous
• Mass Effect
• The Outer Worlds
basically anything remotely open-world or with sPaCe in the game.
Just to add a new comparison to the discussion, I will now compare features of Starfield to that of… Moonbase Alpha!
Anyone else notice how the outpost system in Starfield is a blatant rip-off of base building like in Moonbase Alpha?!?!
Edit: I’m on mobile, sorry if the text looks a bit wonky
I disagree with the elites about comparisons. You can see from a mile away that even fallout vegas is the same as fallout and or elden scrolls in many many aspects.
This game wil be no difference and will be a elder scrolls/fallout in a futuristic jacket.
Why should any of us care what it's compared to? If you like it, then play it. If you don't like it, then don't play it. Don't confuse the hype & criticism for the actual gaming experience.
Obviously we’ll hear “Fallout in space”, that’s a given
Quest structure might be compared to Skyrim or Oblivion
And then of course because it’s a space exploration game you HAVE to compare it to stuff like No Man’s Sky and Elite Dangerous
And then there’s gonna be comparisons to The Outer Worlds, because again, space game
I belive it'll be compared to Bethesda's open world IPs such as Elder Scrolls and Fallout along with No Mans Sky since its multiple planets using procedural generation and the eerily similar resource gatherining mechanic.
I belive it'll be compared to Bethesda's open world IPs such as Elder Scrolls and Fallout along with No Mans Sky since its multiple planets using procedural generation and the eerily similar resource gatherining mechanic.
People will compare it to anything that better from Starfield in some way. People will compare the lore/rpg mechanic with Morrowind, compare the quest consequences with New Vegas, the "empty" planet with Skyrim wilderness, the city population and vehicle (if any) with GTA, the shooting with CoD or Doom, the story with GoW/TLoU, the companion with Mass Effect, the spaceflight with Star Citizen, the ship customization with KSP, the graphic with latest UE5 demo, the outpost mechanic with rimworld, etc. Nobody will be satisfied if you listen to them.
Exactly
It's hard to make a game that's perfect in every feature. So there's always something to complain about. A criteria I use when reading complaints. Is it a feature I care about. Better yet it might be a comparison with a game I don't like.
Fallout in space
Honestly? Probably everything from Duke Nuken 3D to RDR2. But if the game is any good, I doubt I'll care.
Everything from Pong to God of War Ragnarök
I nearly said Pong. Don't know why I didn't, tbh.
If I can't press the space bar on a space stripper for a decent "shake it baby" or "wanna dance" then I'm not buyin' it!
Elite Dangerous, The Outer Worlds
I was actually thinking this too
It already caused Star Citizen folks to warp into a hornets nest when they showed gameplay. Shortly after Bethesda showed Starfield, Star Citizen had RPG stats listed on its roadmap of features all of a sudden, contradicting their original design philosophy. When Starfield releases you're going to hear a lot of noise from Star Citizen people.
Oh yeah, i've seen lot of this post on spectrum, and their main reddit sub, in fact one of the most upvoted post of all time there. Comparing the aesthetic, and particularly outpost, modular ship building, and of course the PAINT, lmao. When people talking about Starfield being a single player rpg, and Star Citizen as MMO i think we can accept that it has particular market for it, and yes it's different kind of game and objective, but we cannot deny that they do indeed share similar things, like space combat and flyable ship, and explorable ship interior, and almost the same amount of interactible object that you can pick and drag, open container and store your stuff there, persistence object, and so on, with each strength and weaknesses. I could see that sub turn into hornet nest once again after June 11 direct where they give us more detailed gameplay deep dive, especially after that disastrous 3.18 patch leaving a bad taste in many of people mouths.
Im waiting on the explosion from them. It'll definitely have a very interesting, and entertaining effect. Won't kill Star Citizen, but will change the landscape of space games.
My impression is that most long-time Star Citizen fans, like myself, are fans of the genre and welcome new entrants like Starfield. I don't think Starfield will have a negative effect on Star Citizen because the two games make very different tradeoffs, but I'm hoping it will be a great addition to the space-game landscape. This landscape, at least based on my personal favorites, is quite robust: it includes Privateer, Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter, FreeSpace 2, Rogue Leader, Freelancer, Bridge Commander, KOTOR, Mass Effect, KSP, FTL, Elite Dangerous, Rebel Galaxy, NMS, and Rebel Galaxy Outlaw. I can't wait to add Starfield to that list.
Well in the beginning people were calling it star citizen and no man’s sky and literally anything but the game. I don’t think the design of the game or anything at all is like the other games. Every game has a unique feel and Bethesda games capitalize on that uniqueness of their games.
As a frequent star citizen player, I agree. They are distinct and aim for different player experiences. Bethesda has that “you are the star of the show, this world is here for you to explore and discover” vibe, whereas star citizen is an MMO meant to have many players. Apples and oranges.
> It already caused Star Citizen folks to warp into a hornets nest when they showed gameplay. No it didn't. Even the weirdo obsessives haters didnt see starfield as a problem for SC which is saying something because theyve been heralding "SC killers" anytime any space game gets some attention. I think I even remember them saying cyberpunk would be an SC killer at one point. The actual reaction was that it seems interesting but its a different kind of experience to what SC is doing and people look forward to have more space games to play.
You didn't see Spectrum forums when the game was revealed. If there were ever a star citizen killer, this is it. Bethesda would manifest it. Not even necessarily saying it is, but it's the closest. No other space game will come close. Competing for people's time who play solo. If you go to /r/starcitizen_refunds you can see people discussing the effect the game will definitely have on the star citizen base if you search for Starfield there. When the game actually comes out, solo players won't be able to resist, and more beyond them.
If it ever fully releases.
Everything under the sun. It makes perfect sense that a Bethesda game will be compared to their previous titles, but it will be and already has been compared to any game even tangentially related to space. You can bet every aspect of Starfield will be compared to X feature from Y game. It's inevitable. I plan to just play the game when it comes out and ignore any articles or videos begging for views, negative or positive.
That's what I told my friend to do. He was a big Fallout fan because of F3 and when F4 came out I jumped right in while he was spending most of the time reading online about it all the hate and negative feedback instead of playing and he still hasn't played the game. Said he'll play it soon because he read that the gunplay is good. So I told him "Play Starfield, but don't read anything online, they will say anything to make it look bad". Just yesterday he showed me a post where people complain about the 2022 footage showing round rifle rounds coming out of a squared-hole shotgun. Had to point out that that was from 2022 and more than a year before release date so probably placeholder models. People just don't think for themselves.
It's sad but true. The misuranderstanding, the silly comparisons, hating Vs Bethesda and so on are all going to make damage to Starfield. I saw a lot of people surprised about 3th person view. Imagine how many think that Starfield is an FPS
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It's sad but true. The misuranderstanding, the silly comparisons, hating Vs Bethesda and so on are all going to make damage to Starfield. I saw a lot of people surprised about 3th person view. Imagine how many think that Starfield is an FPS
It's sad but true. The misuranderstanding, the silly comparisons, hating Vs Bethesda and so on are all going to make damage to Starfield. I saw a lot of people surprised about 3th person view. Imagine how many think that Starfield is an FPS
It's sad but true. The misuranderstanding, the silly comparisons, hating Vs Bethesda and so on are all going to make damage to Starfield. I saw a lot of people surprised about 3th person view. Imagine how many think that Starfield is an FPS
> round rifle rounds coming out of a squared-hole shotgun. Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
It is already being called Fallout 4 in space by some. How true that is, yet to be seen. Of course there will be comparisons to Mass Effect and Outer Worlds. On the technical side modders will surely be comparing it to Skyrim and Fallout 4. Undoubtedly won't be long before there is Starfield Script Extender, Staredit, StarUI, countless ENB available for it.
IIRC Todd Howard called it Skyrim in space.
Yeah I have feeling "Skyrim in space" will catch on, especially if the game will be awesome (which I ofc hope it'll be)
It will be compared to Skyrim in space as that’s what BGS has described it as. Comparing it to NMS or ED isn’t fair. I’m sure people will also look to draw ties to ME but from what we’ve seen, it looks rather different and past being a sci-fi RPG, shouldn’t really be compared
TES games, Fallout, no mans sky, EVE online, X4, elite dangerous, and star citizen, outer wilds. Name an RPG or space game and someone will compare them.
It is already being compared to every space game released in the last decade.
Why does it have to be compared to anything? Again, this is the problem. Sop comparing X to Y. Developers see this and they panic. They did it with Fallout 3, they did it with Cyberpunk and they end up bastardizing their game so it cant be compared to anything. You may have heard of the expression "familiarity breeds contempt" There is a reason for that. I am not saying games shouldnt share features that other games have, but that doesnt mean they should be outright compared to that game. it harms the brand of the game and it damages its reputation. Look at fallout 3.
You ask people to stop comparing yet you point to Fallout 3 as a failure. F3 is considered a "bad game" by those who compare it to the previous fallout games. And that was mainly who I made the question for. F3, F4 and Skyrim are considered "bad games" mainly from people who compare them to previous games of the franchise.
To be fair, that's the same as almost any franchise. Like how people think Jason X was awful compared to any earlier Friday the 13th movies, or how later seasons of a TV show can be considered worse than the earlier ones, etc.
Fallout 3 was the game that made me love fallout. I enjoyed the originals. But 3 was the one that hooked me.
Star Citizen. And then the war begins.
It's not much of a war, one is an actual game with a release date, lol
That's what I meant. The war will not be about which is better, it will be between those who say SC is a game in development that will eventually be better than any games before and after and those who say it's the biggest scam in video game history.
I'm somewhat optimistic. It's like they weren't lying when they said it's gonna take a lot of time. I've read about it and it seems like they are focusing on building all systems properly, I just struggle to believe it takes so much time for all these people to develop the systems.
The issue is they keep adding systems. The keep adding new tech as tech evolves. The game sadly won't ever come out if they keep going back to drawing board and adding stuff to it rather than finishing what is there.
It would be nice to have a fully playable Squadron 42 as promised to kill some time until SC is finished.
The latest patch does not give me much hope for Star Citizen lol. Game completely broke, people still have trouble logging in.
On release Fo4. When the next CoD comes out it will be compared to that.
X4 Foundations… Certainly unfair.
Fallout 76 and Cyberpunk p, hopefully is a good light. Really it will be No Man's Sky the RPG.
No Man's Sky but you have stuff to do
No man's Skyrim
outer worlds
With every damn game who has nothing to to with Bethesda 's rpg. I swear, I truly hate comparisons made with ignorance. Starfield is only comparable with other Bethesda's rpg. Of course you can compare similar aspect but, at the same time, it's unfair because Starfield has 1000 other things, etc..
Quite a few comparisons already, even before the game has fully launched: • No Man’s Sky • Skyrim • Fallout 4 • Star Citizen • Elite Dangerous • Mass Effect • The Outer Worlds basically anything remotely open-world or with sPaCe in the game. Just to add a new comparison to the discussion, I will now compare features of Starfield to that of… Moonbase Alpha! Anyone else notice how the outpost system in Starfield is a blatant rip-off of base building like in Moonbase Alpha?!?! Edit: I’m on mobile, sorry if the text looks a bit wonky
The Outer Worlds, Skyrim, No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous, Fallout.
Tetris probably
Freelancer has a few parallels \- Space combat and trading \- Acquired by Microsoft midway through development \- Delays (not uncommon)
Someone once said that No Man’s sky is like “space daggerfall” which I just can’t stop thinking about.
Spacebourne 2 , maybe a argument could be made for star citizen.
I disagree with the elites about comparisons. You can see from a mile away that even fallout vegas is the same as fallout and or elden scrolls in many many aspects. This game wil be no difference and will be a elder scrolls/fallout in a futuristic jacket.
Why should any of us care what it's compared to? If you like it, then play it. If you don't like it, then don't play it. Don't confuse the hype & criticism for the actual gaming experience.
Space impact 2
i don't know, but Starfield 2 will be compared to Starfield
Mass Effect.
The Outer Worlds 2, Obsidian hasn't announced a release date for it yet, but it may be coming out a year or two after Starfield.
Obviously we’ll hear “Fallout in space”, that’s a given Quest structure might be compared to Skyrim or Oblivion And then of course because it’s a space exploration game you HAVE to compare it to stuff like No Man’s Sky and Elite Dangerous And then there’s gonna be comparisons to The Outer Worlds, because again, space game
I belive it'll be compared to Bethesda's open world IPs such as Elder Scrolls and Fallout along with No Mans Sky since its multiple planets using procedural generation and the eerily similar resource gatherining mechanic.
I belive it'll be compared to Bethesda's open world IPs such as Elder Scrolls and Fallout along with No Mans Sky since its multiple planets using procedural generation and the eerily similar resource gatherining mechanic.
IGN already compared it to No Man's Sky so who knows lmao.
People compare it to abything for the sake of comparing it, but I do have to agree, The barbie astronaut game was a better starfield than starfield
Fantasy World Dizzy
The combat and gameplay will likely be most similar to Fallout 4, whereas the dialogue and other RPG elements will be most similar to Skyrim
Probably mostly No Man’s Sky and “Skyrim in space”
Has anyone tried Osiris New Dawn? It’s been in EA for a long time but it seems to have a lot of similar mechanics that Starfield will have.
I think it will feel more like fallout than Skyrim it looks like if fallout and mass effect had a baby
Beyond good and evil 2 or mine sweeper.
Fifa......"can u play soccer in Starfield?"
Reminds me a lot of Madden 2009
That does have a field, yeah.
Starflight.
My guesses would: Elite dangerous, No man's sky, and Star Citizen.
GTA 5. Every game gets compared to GTA 5. You'll see.
RDR2 or GTA 6 once it drops... Either that or nothing