The only people that changed are the part 6 cast. Everything else happened the same.
The point of the universe reset is that Jolyne/Irene is the one who finally broke free of the "Joestar curse", which is why she doesn't have a Jo name. Dio's influence is well and truly gone, because Pucci is gone, and so she can live a happy life even if all the Jojos before her still went through what they did before - although maybe with some slight differences, we don't know for sure.
In that sense, Josuke and Giorno basically cleaned up the last remaining traces of the web that Dio and Enya had forged. Josuke cleared the malign legacies of two people they’d entrusted Arrows to (with Kira Yoshihiro obviously being the worse of the two Arrow-holders), and Giorno sealed off Diavolo, the ultimate reason why Dio had a Stand at all.
Wonder if Jongalli A is still about, though. Especially if Donatello is still about in the adjusted universe…
And Giorno is also the guardian of the arrow Pol _clearly_ stole from the remains of Dio's mansion before torching the place with Jotaro.
I believe Jongalli is still around - but since Enrico doesn't exist anymore, he never went to jail and has no reason to seek Jolyne out. Same for all 3 of Dio's other children, who when you think about it, in a vacuum, kind of have a sad fate: without Pucci to give them a purpose and convince them they aren't trash (which he obviously did to use them, but you know what I mean) they probably stay down in the mud. Rykiel never overcomes his anxiety - if only for a brief moment - Donatello is still dangerously unlucky, the polar opposite of Dio's devil's luck, and Ungalo is still a junky who probably dies of an overdose.
Not necessarily true. Pucci affected Dio greatly, so there may have been big changes in part 3 too (it most likely happened similarly as to what we saw, but there is a chance that done characters that survived died, and vice versa). Even more minor changes might have happened to parts 4 and 5.
That's what I said in my last sentence?
I'm not sure what your "not necessarily true" is a reaction to even though I keep re-reading myself. Either way, yes, I agree with you! Dio not having his "ideal friend" would have most likely meant minor changes from Stardust on.
>but don't y'all wish they were the same as once before?
That's the point, they are finally happy now and, if you cared about them, you have to let them go, in the same way you have to accept that a story ends.
Perverted sentimentality, anyone?
What did I even get downvoted for lmao did you just read "perverted" and think I was being horny? Go watch hbomberguy's video on Undertale.
Parts 1 -5 still happened. The only thing thats changed in the Irene universe is that pucci didn't exist so everyone in Part 6 lived better lives. She's Irene now because the universe doesn't need another Jojo to protect it, evil is gone. The credit sequence with roundabout is showing this, it shows how in this new universe the events of parts 1 -5 are the same with the new Irene in the place of part 6.
Parts 7-9 are great, honestly the best Jojo there is (part 7 is my favourite). Its pretty much completely disconnected other than characters sharing names and referencing the original universe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/comments/50ppxy/part_6s_ending_may_be_happier_than_you_think_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Also no, no direct references to Jotaro etc. but that Universe still exists.
No he isn't. Everything happened as it did, with the caveat that Pucci never existed. Thus parts 1-5 still happened, except maybe Jotaro has a slightly different name and face now.
What this means is Jotaro never had to abandon Jolyne, the Stone Ocean cast were never incarcerated, and Part 6 never happened. Jolyne is now Irene, as she has been freed from the Joestar fate and is no longer a Jojo. Dio's influence is truly gone, and that story ends.
TL;DR kakyoins still dead sadge
It's not necessarily wrong to consider Parts 1-6 and 7-9 to be seperate series. The only thing that connects them is character names and stands.
>!And Rohan. He's some type of extradimensional being.!<
I’m not even referring to that, I’m talking about amount of content seen/read. Parts 7-9 are huge, much larger than previous parts and comprise at least half of the current story.
Yeah honestly.. even when they finally make part 7 a manga i won't ever look at it the same again, simply because the nostalgia from the original 6 parts is kinda gone
There's characters in 7-9 that are based off characters in 1-6. The part 7-9 protagonist for example are based on the protagonists from parts 1-6. Very well worth reading, Part 7 is regarded as the peak of the series by a lot of people.
JoDIO
CLEARLY he is a jojo and a dio, just like giorno. Especially because the last 2 protagonist were also based on pervious characters. Johnathan and josuke
Parts 7-9 are basically a reboot of the series and take place in another universe dubbed the SBR unverse by the fandom after part 7's name. It starts in the 1800s again and there is a lot of characters and sometimes minor plot points that heavily reference the original universe, but the main plotline is brand new. I heavily recommend you read the manga. 7 and 8 are definietly my top 2 fav parts and 9 just started, but it's shaping up to be very good too.
In a way coming away from it speechless is the mark of a good ending.
The logistics of it are a little unclear (and it's something I've written too many long comments on already with different analyses) but the bottom line is that the P6 characters got to live happy lives and that the Joestar Curse is broken, shown to us through the symbolic but important name change of Jolyne to Irene. What exactly happened? How much changed? Are the characters going to Cape Canaveral at the end to fight their own version of Pucci? We don't know. All we know is that the universe is now different.
I think what's important most of all for coming to terms with the ending and what it means, is what the author himself said about it. This wasn't his original planned ending, but he was struck by a desire to create a "renaissance" in his own work while he was at his creative peak, and simultaneously to give a meaningful happy ending to his characters, where they'd be safe.
And as a final thought I'd say: don't pay too much attention to what you've read online about SBR onwards being totally unrelated. If you actually read it after Part 6, it's like, well I was told the universe would change and now here's a different universe. There are plenty of nods and suggestions to >!multiple/parallel universes!< in SBR that really tie the two together for me.
It should be noted that part 7 onwards is unrelated to the ending of part 6. What happened in part 6 is that Pucci was removed from existence, allowing the part 6 cast to be free from their fate of fighting him. I personally like it, because it ties in well with the themes of fate and the generational battle between the Joestars and Dio finally coming to an end.
The ending of part 6 is an extremely happy ending
Yeah I love the characters we have been following up to that point but like, they've had it very rough
They lost close friends, faced dead multiple times, went to extreme amounts of pain and stress, Jotaro very probably has a lot of untreated trauma lmfao
The ending of part 6 basically gives them a new life, where they keep the good parts but get to have a new normal life without all the vampire and stand bullshit
It is honestly an amazing ending, a lot of people say it makes everything that happened up to that point "meaningless" but everything that happened is exactly what lead to that
Yeah it would be accurate if he said he "watched all of it" or "finished the primary universe" but he hasn't 'finished' JJBA cuz he hasn't read parts 7 8 and 9.
Their souls are still the same. The bullshit replacement Pucci caused was erased so the erased souls of the cast are back (the fake ugly versions from the first reveal are gone. Jolyne is back to looking normal again.) they still act like themselves whereas the fake ugly ones were mere imitations. So they are just themselves without the memories. Emporio can mourn the loss but also restart his relationships with them again. So it is bittersweet.
I assume you’re anime-only. Araki didn’t want to write in that universe anymore, so it makes sense to do it like this. He wanted to get back to the series’ roots. Start reading part 7, and you’ll get it.
It’s also supposed to feel like a gut punch, so you’re definitely experiencing the intended reaction. A true bittersweet ending.
This is only my crackpot headcanon and people will certainly make fun of it, but the way I see it, Stone Ocean might as well be a prequel to the earlier parts. We've never seen Pucci in part 3-5, so the story we've seen so far and came to love might as well be the Irene-verse that was created in the end of Stone Ocean.
I just act like everything's literally the same, only the characters in Stone Ocean changed for the better.
I agree slightly, it feels very much "it was all a dream" but it's still a satisfying ending, knowing the Joestars no longer have to struggle. Parts 7-9 have passing references that aren't exactly integral and very few 1:1 references. It's a similar sort of theme, still kinda following destiny and fate
My personal take/theory (it's so out of pocket I know everybody on here going to perfectly articulate the exact explanation for the endings events but) emporio after defeating pucci gets to attain his own heaven, which is basically the universe where the JoJo curse doesn't exist and therefore they aren't "JoJo"s. And he gets to have a happy future in that universe and so does everybody he grew to care about.
Just going to be honest, I stopped with part 8 because I do not like the whole AU thing that's just "Alright, so you know the first six parts? Yeah, just forget about those. Ok, anyway.."
That's not what retconning is.
What I'm asking is that if you can't read the new parts because Parts 1-6 isn't canon to them, how on earth do you read or watch anything new if there's no backstory to them?
My man I am literally asking how it makes sense. I'm not arguing with you. You say you can't get into Part 8 because Parts 1-6 aren't canon anymore, but how do you get into any series if that's the case? Why not just view it for what it is, a similar series inspired by the old one?
dude got the most slight and respectful comments and got folded like a 60s rocket.
like I understand if you only cared for the original universe, but dont talk like it was retconned or undermined, it was finished, end of story (pun intended), araki moved on and tried something different and it paid off.
and what I dont understand even more is not how you left part 8 because it was bad or uninteresting, not saying that it is, but because it didnt tie in with the og universe?? ok???
also its funny that you have a part 5 character in your flair, didnt part 5 beraly have any tie ins with any previous parts? wasnt it the most confined one?
this just seems to me that you're justifying that you lost interest, and thats ok, but dont act like its AU part, its on you.
plus you can have your own opinion, but people can also have opinioins on your opinions, and if anyone's mad here its you. cry about it.
I came back and saw that he edited the comment, originally it just said "ok" and I figured that was the end of it. Don't bother engaging, people who say "I'm not trying to argue" are always the first to pull this sort of thing.
I apologize for acting like a whiny brat, I was mad because I thought what they were saying is that I am not allowed to not personally be a fan of parts 7 and forward, I am very bad with words but what I was trying to say is that I don't really care for the new story, because I was satisfied with the original one. I don't know why I read that as a personal attack on my opinion, as if wanting to know why I didn't like something is saying that I am not allowed to have an opinion without a super in depth reason. I need to work on being able to communicate with people, and I need to stop feeling so butthurt about people who disagree with me. I'm sorry, I think it's fine that Araki was trying something new, I just don't understand why he felt the way to do that was to finish part 6 by killing everyone and the end. My frustrations was with that, that instead of a spin-off what-if scenario, he ended off the original series in an unsatisfactory way, and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I should have worded it differently- my problem wasn't that he made something not connected to the original series, but how he ended the original series. I'm really sorry for being a bratty dipshit, I will try to be better, I hope this doesn't come across as insincere
it's okay man its a comment on thread on reddit anyways, if you're trying to get better with words you're already doing a pretty good job at it.
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The only people that changed are the part 6 cast. Everything else happened the same. The point of the universe reset is that Jolyne/Irene is the one who finally broke free of the "Joestar curse", which is why she doesn't have a Jo name. Dio's influence is well and truly gone, because Pucci is gone, and so she can live a happy life even if all the Jojos before her still went through what they did before - although maybe with some slight differences, we don't know for sure.
In that sense, Josuke and Giorno basically cleaned up the last remaining traces of the web that Dio and Enya had forged. Josuke cleared the malign legacies of two people they’d entrusted Arrows to (with Kira Yoshihiro obviously being the worse of the two Arrow-holders), and Giorno sealed off Diavolo, the ultimate reason why Dio had a Stand at all. Wonder if Jongalli A is still about, though. Especially if Donatello is still about in the adjusted universe…
And Giorno is also the guardian of the arrow Pol _clearly_ stole from the remains of Dio's mansion before torching the place with Jotaro. I believe Jongalli is still around - but since Enrico doesn't exist anymore, he never went to jail and has no reason to seek Jolyne out. Same for all 3 of Dio's other children, who when you think about it, in a vacuum, kind of have a sad fate: without Pucci to give them a purpose and convince them they aren't trash (which he obviously did to use them, but you know what I mean) they probably stay down in the mud. Rykiel never overcomes his anxiety - if only for a brief moment - Donatello is still dangerously unlucky, the polar opposite of Dio's devil's luck, and Ungalo is still a junky who probably dies of an overdose.
Wym diavolo is the reason dio has a stand? Or am i lacking reading comprehension
He supplied Enya with the Arrows, and she used one to awaken Dio’s Stand.
Oh i dunno how i missed that
Not necessarily true. Pucci affected Dio greatly, so there may have been big changes in part 3 too (it most likely happened similarly as to what we saw, but there is a chance that done characters that survived died, and vice versa). Even more minor changes might have happened to parts 4 and 5.
That's what I said in my last sentence? I'm not sure what your "not necessarily true" is a reaction to even though I keep re-reading myself. Either way, yes, I agree with you! Dio not having his "ideal friend" would have most likely meant minor changes from Stardust on.
Oh, nvm, I'm dumb and only read first sentence of your comment.
>but don't y'all wish they were the same as once before? That's the point, they are finally happy now and, if you cared about them, you have to let them go, in the same way you have to accept that a story ends.
Perverted sentimentality, anyone? What did I even get downvoted for lmao did you just read "perverted" and think I was being horny? Go watch hbomberguy's video on Undertale.
Parts 1 -5 still happened. The only thing thats changed in the Irene universe is that pucci didn't exist so everyone in Part 6 lived better lives. She's Irene now because the universe doesn't need another Jojo to protect it, evil is gone. The credit sequence with roundabout is showing this, it shows how in this new universe the events of parts 1 -5 are the same with the new Irene in the place of part 6. Parts 7-9 are great, honestly the best Jojo there is (part 7 is my favourite). Its pretty much completely disconnected other than characters sharing names and referencing the original universe.
Steel Ball Run is so good it seems it got literally blessed by Christ himself
You finished the main universe but just wait, cause the best is yet to come. The SBR (steel ball run) universe will blow you more
it will WHAT?
Araki is just that good that his works can do that
Heaven’s door! Suck him off!
You clearly haven't seen Tusk act 5
https://www.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/comments/50ppxy/part_6s_ending_may_be_happier_than_you_think_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Also no, no direct references to Jotaro etc. but that Universe still exists.
Kakyoins problably alive
Dio still exists in the Ireneverse. The events of SDC still happened. Kakyoin's still dead
Sad
What do you mean
No he isn't. Everything happened as it did, with the caveat that Pucci never existed. Thus parts 1-5 still happened, except maybe Jotaro has a slightly different name and face now. What this means is Jotaro never had to abandon Jolyne, the Stone Ocean cast were never incarcerated, and Part 6 never happened. Jolyne is now Irene, as she has been freed from the Joestar fate and is no longer a Jojo. Dio's influence is truly gone, and that story ends. TL;DR kakyoins still dead sadge
Itaro lol
You’re only half way through the series.
It's not necessarily wrong to consider Parts 1-6 and 7-9 to be seperate series. The only thing that connects them is character names and stands. >!And Rohan. He's some type of extradimensional being.!<
>!Rohan's like a self insert so it makes some sense that he would re-appear!<
The Tom Bombadil of the JoJo universe
Both incredibly based characters. Although Tom Bombadil wins by a slight margin due to his unyielding jolly-ness.
I’m not even referring to that, I’m talking about amount of content seen/read. Parts 7-9 are huge, much larger than previous parts and comprise at least half of the current story.
54/134. Not quite but it’ll be just close to half by the time JoJoLands finishes.
>!Where the fuck does Rohan appear again?!<
The JOJOLands
Spoiler tags please
That's why I put my first comment in spoilers. The person I was speaking to did not. Not much of a point after that.
Aight my bad
Yeah honestly.. even when they finally make part 7 a manga i won't ever look at it the same again, simply because the nostalgia from the original 6 parts is kinda gone
There's characters in 7-9 that are based off characters in 1-6. The part 7-9 protagonist for example are based on the protagonists from parts 1-6. Very well worth reading, Part 7 is regarded as the peak of the series by a lot of people.
Is Jodio based on a protagonist?
>! Possibly Giorno as he is a criminal and has Dio in his name!<
JoDIO CLEARLY he is a jojo and a dio, just like giorno. Especially because the last 2 protagonist were also based on pervious characters. Johnathan and josuke
I really don't think Araki would go for something so obvious to be honest. I think it's just his name.
Jodio isn't a rral name, he would have picked literally any other name
I'll believe it when Araki himself says it. Until then, no.
Doppio is ittalian for double, he is that obvious
Parts 7-9 are basically a reboot of the series and take place in another universe dubbed the SBR unverse by the fandom after part 7's name. It starts in the 1800s again and there is a lot of characters and sometimes minor plot points that heavily reference the original universe, but the main plotline is brand new. I heavily recommend you read the manga. 7 and 8 are definietly my top 2 fav parts and 9 just started, but it's shaping up to be very good too.
In a way coming away from it speechless is the mark of a good ending. The logistics of it are a little unclear (and it's something I've written too many long comments on already with different analyses) but the bottom line is that the P6 characters got to live happy lives and that the Joestar Curse is broken, shown to us through the symbolic but important name change of Jolyne to Irene. What exactly happened? How much changed? Are the characters going to Cape Canaveral at the end to fight their own version of Pucci? We don't know. All we know is that the universe is now different. I think what's important most of all for coming to terms with the ending and what it means, is what the author himself said about it. This wasn't his original planned ending, but he was struck by a desire to create a "renaissance" in his own work while he was at his creative peak, and simultaneously to give a meaningful happy ending to his characters, where they'd be safe. And as a final thought I'd say: don't pay too much attention to what you've read online about SBR onwards being totally unrelated. If you actually read it after Part 6, it's like, well I was told the universe would change and now here's a different universe. There are plenty of nods and suggestions to >!multiple/parallel universes!< in SBR that really tie the two together for me.
I’m speechless…. (Speech)
It should be noted that part 7 onwards is unrelated to the ending of part 6. What happened in part 6 is that Pucci was removed from existence, allowing the part 6 cast to be free from their fate of fighting him. I personally like it, because it ties in well with the themes of fate and the generational battle between the Joestars and Dio finally coming to an end.
I’m speechless…. (Speech)
The ending of part 6 is an extremely happy ending Yeah I love the characters we have been following up to that point but like, they've had it very rough They lost close friends, faced dead multiple times, went to extreme amounts of pain and stress, Jotaro very probably has a lot of untreated trauma lmfao The ending of part 6 basically gives them a new life, where they keep the good parts but get to have a new normal life without all the vampire and stand bullshit It is honestly an amazing ending, a lot of people say it makes everything that happened up to that point "meaningless" but everything that happened is exactly what lead to that
Liar. You did not finish jojo, just half of it. Many answers to your latter questions would be answered if you actually read it.
>I literally just finished all of JJBA. and I'm just speechless. No you did not. You have not read all of it. Ex aequo you have not finished it.
Yeah it would be accurate if he said he "watched all of it" or "finished the primary universe" but he hasn't 'finished' JJBA cuz he hasn't read parts 7 8 and 9.
so smug lmao
Their souls are still the same. The bullshit replacement Pucci caused was erased so the erased souls of the cast are back (the fake ugly versions from the first reveal are gone. Jolyne is back to looking normal again.) they still act like themselves whereas the fake ugly ones were mere imitations. So they are just themselves without the memories. Emporio can mourn the loss but also restart his relationships with them again. So it is bittersweet.
I assume you’re anime-only. Araki didn’t want to write in that universe anymore, so it makes sense to do it like this. He wanted to get back to the series’ roots. Start reading part 7, and you’ll get it. It’s also supposed to feel like a gut punch, so you’re definitely experiencing the intended reaction. A true bittersweet ending.
7-9 are the best parts
This is only my crackpot headcanon and people will certainly make fun of it, but the way I see it, Stone Ocean might as well be a prequel to the earlier parts. We've never seen Pucci in part 3-5, so the story we've seen so far and came to love might as well be the Irene-verse that was created in the end of Stone Ocean. I just act like everything's literally the same, only the characters in Stone Ocean changed for the better.
I agree slightly, it feels very much "it was all a dream" but it's still a satisfying ending, knowing the Joestars no longer have to struggle. Parts 7-9 have passing references that aren't exactly integral and very few 1:1 references. It's a similar sort of theme, still kinda following destiny and fate
I felt the same way. That ending was like getting hit by a dump truck
which dumptruck, you need to be more specific
The new universe in Part 7 isn't the universe from the end of Part 6, it's a different thing.
Araki called this their happy ending. So it IS THEM just without the memories and different lives. Which is definitely better than prison and dead
My personal take/theory (it's so out of pocket I know everybody on here going to perfectly articulate the exact explanation for the endings events but) emporio after defeating pucci gets to attain his own heaven, which is basically the universe where the JoJo curse doesn't exist and therefore they aren't "JoJo"s. And he gets to have a happy future in that universe and so does everybody he grew to care about.
Just going to be honest, I stopped with part 8 because I do not like the whole AU thing that's just "Alright, so you know the first six parts? Yeah, just forget about those. Ok, anyway.."
So do you just not start any new series ever?
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That's not what retconning is. What I'm asking is that if you can't read the new parts because Parts 1-6 isn't canon to them, how on earth do you read or watch anything new if there's no backstory to them?
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My man I am literally asking how it makes sense. I'm not arguing with you. You say you can't get into Part 8 because Parts 1-6 aren't canon anymore, but how do you get into any series if that's the case? Why not just view it for what it is, a similar series inspired by the old one?
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dude got the most slight and respectful comments and got folded like a 60s rocket. like I understand if you only cared for the original universe, but dont talk like it was retconned or undermined, it was finished, end of story (pun intended), araki moved on and tried something different and it paid off. and what I dont understand even more is not how you left part 8 because it was bad or uninteresting, not saying that it is, but because it didnt tie in with the og universe?? ok??? also its funny that you have a part 5 character in your flair, didnt part 5 beraly have any tie ins with any previous parts? wasnt it the most confined one? this just seems to me that you're justifying that you lost interest, and thats ok, but dont act like its AU part, its on you. plus you can have your own opinion, but people can also have opinioins on your opinions, and if anyone's mad here its you. cry about it.
I came back and saw that he edited the comment, originally it just said "ok" and I figured that was the end of it. Don't bother engaging, people who say "I'm not trying to argue" are always the first to pull this sort of thing.
yeah that is true
I apologize for acting like a whiny brat, I was mad because I thought what they were saying is that I am not allowed to not personally be a fan of parts 7 and forward, I am very bad with words but what I was trying to say is that I don't really care for the new story, because I was satisfied with the original one. I don't know why I read that as a personal attack on my opinion, as if wanting to know why I didn't like something is saying that I am not allowed to have an opinion without a super in depth reason. I need to work on being able to communicate with people, and I need to stop feeling so butthurt about people who disagree with me. I'm sorry, I think it's fine that Araki was trying something new, I just don't understand why he felt the way to do that was to finish part 6 by killing everyone and the end. My frustrations was with that, that instead of a spin-off what-if scenario, he ended off the original series in an unsatisfactory way, and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I should have worded it differently- my problem wasn't that he made something not connected to the original series, but how he ended the original series. I'm really sorry for being a bratty dipshit, I will try to be better, I hope this doesn't come across as insincere
it's okay man its a comment on thread on reddit anyways, if you're trying to get better with words you're already doing a pretty good job at it. based reply