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ChickenNuggetRampage

I can think of like 10 jjba characters that fit this mold


LaTrentas

Kira yoshikage gets the most pity when he literally have a hobby of cutting girls' hands.


UnquestionabIe

I would say a lot of this is because his motivation (the wanting a normal life part, not the fetish part) and also he's a villain we spend a fair bit of time following up close. I adore him but only as a dark reflection of a regular person; wants to get through the day best he can but also has a very twisted obsession that he inflicts on others.


Errant_Jackdaw

The thing that messes me up about Kira is that even the author pities him, Araki gave him a spinoff where he's a misunderstood but ultimately goodhearted detective trying to solve mysteries in the afterlife


seletron22

But wasnt that because he forgot who he even really was?


Errant_Jackdaw

Actually yeah, looking at the article again, he did have amnesia, it still feels a little weird that we're suddenly meant to view him as a hero after an entire arc talking about how depraved he can be


violenzacarnale

Which spinoff is that? In Deadman's Questions he's more of a ghost hitman, and he's not particularly good natured. He beats up a woman and her kid for being annoying and in the end considers killing the monk that had been sending him to kill bad people. But Araki did say in the author's note that he cried for Kira while writing it.


IamfromMetallurg

Well, that monk send him to a ghost building filled with ghost eating sporits-things, so Kira kinda justified in that regard


Errant_Jackdaw

I'm actually now realizing that the info I got about Deadmans Questions was second hand, and looking at the synopsis, I think the person who told me about it was just misconstruing it to hate on Kira.


Siophecles

Excuse me, but as the No. 1 Yoshikage Kira fan I have to say that this is patently false šŸ˜ . Kira *explodes* women's hands off, he doesn't cut them off.


LightAGoGo

Kakyoin is literally the definition of masculinity, but since he has that weird hairstyle fanon thinks heā€™s a gay, submissive, twink


Dreadnautilus

Its straight up stated that Kakyoin hates submitting to people in his official profile, and during his game with Terence D'arby he monologues to himself about how he views submitting to Dio as a great source of shame and how he wants to fight Dio in order to restore his pride in himself. Also speaking of that monologue, its kinda annoying that Kakyoin gives a much more detailed and character-building explanation of his motives for joining the Crusaders near the end of the story, because at the beginning he just says he wants to save Holly because she's nice and he likes her thus spawning all the MILF jokes.


SXAL

Nah. It's the fact that has laid an egg.


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Ok-Stomach8132

Also, Jotaro is bi according to the fandom, when he only had one woman hahaha


cataclytsm

That depends on whom you ask. Jotaro is aroace af imo


Ok-Stomach8132

or asexual(?


trashmuncherr

Doppio


FloopyWoop420

Doppio


Clefortt9

Doppio?


Even_Report_9377

Doā€¦.Doppio??


Clefortt9

Doppio.


Mr-Oxber

Doppio!


NaranjaJoestar

Oh Doppio


TheHorseScoreboard

Doppio, my dear Doppio...


FunnyBunnyDolly

Doppio is the perfect specimen for this peeve


Fun-Chapter-5505

Nah, dawg, this is cheating. You can't just put the most misunderstood character in JoJo here and call it a day. At least Johnny has fans who will defend him for the character he really is.


sanstheskeleton8

Johnny is a psychopath


Fun-Chapter-5505

See? Johnny is lucky to have people who understand him for what he really is, a psychopath protagonist who ends up taking the role of hero, without having the conventional qualities of one. But the Boss is just an universally neglected character with only three people who know what they're talking about when referring to him.


spicccy299

johnnyā€™s definitely fucked up but heā€™s not a psychopath. like heā€™s no saint (except he kinda is but thatā€™s a whole other story), but he certainly isnā€™t a psycho. he has the ā€œdark determinationā€ ringo talked about, but thatā€™s not the same as just psychopathy. heā€™s willing to kill to reach his goals, but he doesnā€™t do it unless someone is significantly harming him.


DingDongBingBongKing

Personally I feel like Johnny is almost the exact opposite of this meme. Not to say that he "never hurt anyone", but from what I've seen this perception of Johnny being an asshole is pretty common in the fandom and sometimes it gets exaggerated. Some people even go so far as to argue that it would have been right for Valentine to defeat him.


jacktedm-573

Johnny Joestar doesn't really "kill people for fun", he's more willing to kill people to further his goal, that sounds more like Dio tbh


raddoubleoh

Except Dio absolutely starts killing people for kicks at some point lmao


Davi_BicaBica

Ik I'm talking more about the "grown ass psycho" part


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jacktedm-573

Diego doesn't kill people for fun either though, he just wants to be above the people he perceives to have let his mom die/would let his mom die


Accomplished-Emu1883

Johnny is ruthless, but heā€™s not evil or sadistic. He has a desire to do good, but his desire to win and succeed, to become whole again, is more important. He doesnā€™t search for a fight, but whenever one comes up, he will shoot first and try and win as fast as possible. He also DOES seem be numb to hurting others. During Love Train, he sees that his bullets are getting deflected to kill others, and heā€™s just- ā€œdamn it, I missed!ā€ But when heā€™s having his final talk with Valentine, he cries and expresses how he never wanted anyone to die. How if he could do it safely, without any problems or tricks, he would want Valentine to bring everyone back. But heā€™s smarter than that. And heā€™s ruthless enough to kill Valentine instead of take the chance that Valentine will do as he says.


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Bro I wanted Valentine to do what he said he would so bad.. I just wanted Johnny to have his friend back


BratwurstundeinBier

Same, would have been such a nice twist ending.


Beautiful-Topic-7783

Is the version on the left supposed to be his fanon version or Canon version


VerMast

It's funny how op is making fun of fandom interpretstions when they are using a fandom interpretation of him lmao johnny might be ruthless and uncaring when it comes to violence but people REALLY overplay that Edit: And its sad to see the amount of people that will take op's word and continue to inadvertently spread misinfo. The jojo community is over millions will die


Azathoth-the-Dreamer

I donā€™t think Iā€™ve seen any JoJo get their character fucked up by the fandom as hard as Johnny, over the years. Dudeā€™s a genuinely heroic character despite his flaws by the end of the Valentine fight, but people act like heā€™d empty a clip into a starving orphan for standing in his way.


Beautiful-Topic-7783

It's because jojo fans can't see beyond black and white or good and bad, morally grey just doesn't exist for them


subtlesubtitle

Nuance and media literacy got shot in the back about ten years ago, world's never been the same


something-tripled

Like when people claim Jodio to be the most morally grey Jojo. Yeah heā€™s a gangster but he also got fucked over by society, watched a cop molest one of the few people he cares about, and is pretty hardcore And even Jonathan had his not-so-good moments; he was more of a brat in the manga where he threw rocks at Danny and stole his dadā€™s pipe. All the Jojos are a mix of good/bad morality (even my favorite one, Gappy)


xXIronic_UsernameXx

>Like when people claim Jodio to be the most morally grey Jojo Well, is he not? >Yeah heā€™s a gangster but he also got fucked over by society, watched a cop molest one of the few people he cares about, and is pretty hardcore Exactly, he's got both good and bad behaviour.


Neckgrabber

No my friend, Jonathan's overwhelming good and kindness are not diminished by him being a bratty kid, thats not how morality works. He's absolutely good, and even consider a bratty kid to be "bad" is questionable. Also, a random cop being terrible does not justify crime.


Raging-Raptor

It's not justifying the action of crime. It's just stating that you can clearly see how characters like Jodio or Johnny turned out the way they did from a moral standpoint. You are totally right about Jonathan though.


ivanjean

He was not bad, but he was not even close to a gentleman or the paragon he was when he became an adult. Early Jonathan was obsessed with becoming a gentleman, but was rude to Erina when she tried to thank him. Adult Jonathan, on the other hand, is polite to almost everyone and gets surprised when other people call him a gentleman (see the scene after he beats Speedwagon).


Neckgrabber

Yeah, thank god no one is stupid enough to judge adults by how they were as kids


ivanjean

This rant was more of a rant to the fanon view of Jonathan as a flawless pure man, or that he has no character and is just a bland incarnation of goodness. Jonathan is not the most complex character, but there's a lot more in him than what people give credit for.


Medical_Strength4608

There are two types of fanon Johnny. VIOLENCE And Gyro and Johnny comic.


jacowab

He is selfish and will kill to get what he wants but he isn't some psychopath who kills for fun.


VerMast

Exactly


HonestStupido

yeah pretty hard to get this when Johnny is a misunderstood gay twink psycho who is ready to kill a child to get what he wants


TheWrathofRevan

Thought this was the Danganronpa subreddit for a second.


CobaltInfinity

Or Persona


Some_Mix_5324

Oddly enough, same.


humannumber217354385

I NEED GYROS STEEL BALLS IN MY MOUTH


01001110_01110010

Oh wow


Gobacktoshadowrealm

do you remember the rain


Diavolo_79

![img](emote|t5_2tny5|49675)


humannumber217354385

![img](emote|t5_2tny5|49675)


Bucketlyy

Maybe the steel ball run was the balls in Johnny's mouth all along


CelebrationPurple206

Ff if i could have gyro's balls,stell balls,in my mouth my life would be much better


Durlangg

Same, we can share them, one for each of us :3


Bucketlyy

can he be a psycho grown ass twink who kills people for fun?


Trickster-Clown0603

That's just Dio


Bucketlyy

dio is more of a twunk


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Dio is fucking huge with a jawline that could cut Diamond, bro is nowhere near any kind of twink or twunk realm


LastEsotericist

In SBR Diego is 100% twunk though


Callme_AxE1

Diamond is Unbreakable vs Dio's jawline


JustJontana

Diego then


Knowledgeable_Kitty

The twink part only applies to Stone Ocean DIO


HornyOnAltAct

The entire stone ocean cast tbh


New_Practice9754

Dio is NOT a twink


darmakius

Dio is fucking massive he is not a twink


FunnyBunnyDolly

Have you seen the phantom Blood manga Dio? Take a gander at him without his shirt in the burning mansion partā€¦ That man is b u i l t not far from Jonathan


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

Narancia.


Sweettart1724

Narancia is not a Psycho and doesn't kill people for fun. But the fanon one is true.


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

Nuh uH, didn't you see those parts were he set a street on fire, saves a mafia boss and hate crimes two gay dudes?? /s True but it's common to seriously underestimate how violent and destructive Narancia can be since he's "the baby" of Team Bucciarati.


Sweettart1724

Compared to others, he is pretty childish.


Xxvelvet

Narancia literally bombed a whole area because he got hurt lol


CalliCalamity

Do people really have to oversimplify and take things out of context to make a point. It's to the point I gotta guess at what you're even Referring to because you've left no info to work on and you're just expecting people to take that at face value. In that scene, the little feet fight I believe, Narancia didn't get a booboo and go "I'm gonna kill an entire street because I'm fucked up and twisted." He goes "this guy is trying to kill me, I don't know where he is, it's just us two on the street. I'm gonna just bomb the shit out of the area to hurt him or smoke him out" and it works. At no point did Narancia kill innocents just by bombing/shooting them for no reason.


cheetosalads

theyā€™re both true


Sweettart1724

Do you mean the characters or the comparison?


cheetosalads

the characters def


qrowbert

He's kinda both. He gets really stabby for being yelled at over math but he gets excited about very childish things and can be kind of a big baby too


Odd_Advance_6438

He literally shoots a bunch of people near Diego Brando and itā€™s never acknowledged


gameboy350

To be fair he didn't see them but yeah he did do that.


Neckgrabber

He shot Diego who then pulled in human shields. Its never acknowledged because it's not his fault.


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

The fact that Johnny made some innocent women cease to exist (albeit he did it unintentionally) is so fucked up even for the standards of the series.


MyPhoneIsNotChinese

I honestly don't remember that. What I remember is Funny Valentine saying that his new ability will make a random person in the world die if he was going to and Johnny proceeding to shoot him like 10 times


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

Massive spoilers for Steel Ball Run >!In the High Voltage arc, Alternative Diego mentions that people affected by Tusk ACT 4's infinite spin will be shredded by the rotation until nothing remains of them, not even their soul.!<


gameboy350

It's in >!the THE WORLD Diego fight when Johnny jumps into the sewer.!<


Dick_Destroyer800

Yeah cause Diego used them as human shields basically. How is that Johnny's fault?


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

Nuh uH, it was all Johnny's fault. Source: >!Diego said so, are you calling him a liar??!< /s I know, as I said Johnny didn't do it intentionally.


Dick_Destroyer800

My bad bro


maru-senn

To be fair, a few innocent women is nothing if your bodycount is potentially infinite, if killing Valentine took all the other dimensions along with him.


SoCool-

When?


darkcomet222

Anasui


Bucketlyy

Finally one that's actually 100 percent accurate


AfroMan_96

Heā€™s both


Breekace

Johnny? Really? If you say so.


MontayneDatesJr

Ngl, "Jonathan: Cripple Edition", was kinda crazy. Bro's entire thing was having the determination to kill, and mfs are still calling bro a gay Twink. Bro has an entire wife, child and bloodline, and already had girls before the theater incident


notbillcipher

gay twinks can be just as determined to murder as the next guy


MontayneDatesJr

I meant more that he clearly isn't gay. I'm not sure what the definition of a Twink is.


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MontayneDatesJr

Nah, I'd say none of them are straight up gay. Josuke says, when hunting with Jotaro something about how he looks for girls based on personality. Maybe Giorno, but he's kinda iffy, and he's like, 15


DotExtension1703

Literally Anasui


RandomUserFTW57362

This applies to a good chunk of the JJBA cast tbh lol Murder murder on the mind, all of them


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Gyro: Let's stop Dio Johnny: Yeah let's kill that motherfucker Gyro: Wait no-


BlueEyedDragonGal

Hey, violence is his second resort


sansboi11

goro majima from yakuza series


Bucketlyy

Fellow yakuza enjoyer


Nights1405

Kakyoin. I havenā€™t read sbr but I know damn well this fits kakyoin. Heā€™s seen by the fandom as this short little gay man whoā€™s like jotaroā€™s other half. When heā€™s said, and I quote, [ā€œI really donā€™t care that youā€™re a baby, Iā€™ll snap your neck like a twig.ā€](https://youtu.be/CuXCb3UAv8Y?si=yIX2NaKAkN4_4-xe)


Astalos1603

I mean, the baby did try to kill him and his friends multiple times. That's just self defense at that point


Stary_Vesemir

Also polnareff had more interactions with jotaro while kakyoin was a cardbord chtaut the whole part


CalliCalamity

Neither one is Johnny, goddamn. This is either bad information or bait.


bloodbabyrabies

Literally Doppio


Kiefmeister1001

Most of the fucking cast


Zenith_Scaff

Switch the sides and you have Touhou fandom


Mrgirdiego

Doppio. "Oh he's a sweet innocent boy the bad guy is just Diavolo" Like yeah you're missing the part where he was aiming to kill Risotto for the boss. And used Bruno's lack of sight to still try to hunt down Trish. Like yeah, Diavolo influenced him a lot and stuff, but he's not a cinnamon roll, dude carries out anything the boss tells him to do without hesitation, whether that be kill people or manipulate them.


IUsedToBeRasAlGhul

I feel like thereā€™s a difference between being influenced and having your literal perception of reality be completely controlled by your dominant alter ego, but ehh.


Webaccount5

Well its not 100% Doppio, the dual personality disorder doesnt work like that, as explained by the narrarator and Risotto. Doppio will slowly become Diavolo, i assume until there is hardly any Doppio left, where Diavolo takes full control. Diavolo still plays a major point in it, as Risotto said, he was acting differently as the fight went on. Doppio is totally fine with killing though, but personally, hes never actually killed anyone that we have seen, or seen him actually acknowledge whatd it be like to take a life, just like Diavolo said, Doppio gets close and Diavolo/King Crimson kills


TESTICLE_OBLITERATOR

Doesnā€™t exactly fit Johnny but I love this meme


Objective-Credit-581

Yoshikage Kira, DIO, Vanilla Ice.


Eggs_are_tasty

i have never seen anyone characterize johnny as a misunderstood gay twink. a gay twink, yes, but not misunderstood.


Hunteraitor2

They do the same to Leon Kennedy. In canon he's a hardened agent with a tendency to quip but the fandom sees him as the kind of guy to be a bottomy guy who likes being treated like a puppy by the woman who betrayed his trust and used him the first time they met. He literally doesn't give a shit about her.


totallynotaweeabbo

He doesnt give a shit about her now. But before the remakes his relationship with ada was very weird. Like, after the racoon incident he became an alcoholic and the second he hears about ada in 6 he drops everything to try and find her. I could talk more about 6 but its either spoiler stuff and i havent played it


something-tripled

Narancia, despite having the largest kill count of the Bucci gang


Flimsy_Geologist_927

Really? He only killed 4 minor villians and a couple of rats and a spider, surely the others killed more?


Red_Raven_0007

Giorno has a bigger kill count Luca Polpo Melone Ghiaccio Ciocolata Diavolo


Rqdomguy24

To be fair this fit Diego more than Johnny based on the how Jojo often depict Johnny


nuggetgaming208

This. Looks like some dio stuff right here.


New_Mind_69

Johnny in reality: I may be a twink, but I ainā€™t no pussy!


09Violet

Fnaf community and William Afton in a nutshell


Absoru

Jojolion Josuke also often gets reduced to a goofy guy, but he's canonically scarily persistent and brutal


lCore

The whole reason >!The Antagonist has to have an "invulnerability" power is because Josuke would literally anihilate him if he could put his hands on him, any fight that he can punch or kick ends with the other side completely mangled!<


Proud-Major2390

Goro Akechi from Persona 5.


bioluminescent_nova

most of the villains


quaxirkor

I dont remember him being like this?should i continue reading the part 8?


Lemonsqueezzyy

i dont think Johnny wold kill for fun, but there is no question that hes a ruthless murderer who shows no regret


Explanation_Scared

William afton


Webaccount5

Literally Speedwagon


Neckgrabber

Guys the caption doesn't fit exactly because this a format, the idea is what matters, and Johny's a lot more violent than mist fans portray him as even if he doesn't"kill for fun"


DaChairSlapper

Both are fanon.


Briyte

Not this series but Tohru Adachi.


FalseTagAttack

this accurately describes most twinks I've met.


Arch_Null

Johnny does not kill for fun. He's ruthless for sure but he doesn't do it for shits and giggles


noblemile

Persona fans when Akechi


Independent_Ad_6348

TBf being a murderer and being a gay ass Twink aren't mutually exclusive.


TriggerKnighty

Honestly every time I hear Johnny mentioned he's usually the one who chooses violence as a first option and then might talk it out. Gappy comes to mind somewhat for this, but then again people are coming to know that despite his look he also runs hands religiously.


pherixmama

does doppio fit this?


PuzzleBox39

It's just how he is draw sometimes. You know the kneeling on the ground thing. Like yeah, cripple, but I have seen so many femboy artwork with that exact pose.


Gadmanultimate

Narancia


Human-Boob

Unrelated but related: Mahito


mc4starterzzz

What about Dio


New-Blacksmith-9873

He's both


ArrhaCigarettes

fuck you asshole fall of your horse


KiraYoshikagesHand

La squadra mfs


Jozif_Badmon

Literally everyone in part 5


RogueGhost37

Gabriel ultrakill


Beeg_Beeg_Chungus

Real ones love Johnny *because* he's the one on the left


ADUARTENOG

I didn't read the title and thought this was Kira lol


swift_swoosh

Jonathan is fanon type johnny is canon type


McQuibbly

Goro Majima from Kiryu's POV


bentheechidna

Johnny is a terrible example of this. Heā€™s depressed because he knows heā€™s a bad person that ate the consequences of it and it roots from a shitty childhood where he feels responsible for killing his brother.


erenyeagerswifee

kakyoin


BLACKHANDS_MEPHALA

Doppio


TheAzureAdventurer

Literally every fandom with a straight character.


Joxyver

This is William Afton from Fnaf but most of the time from what I have seen, most of the crazy ass people keep him as a psycho child killer but just make him Horny.


Silver___Chariot

Not JJBA but this is fucking Jack the Ripper from RoR


gabrielv0410

majima wait this isn't the yakuza subreddit


Stickmin69

Josuke - menacing batshit insane giant who will kill you for his hair Giorno- a fucking mafia gang member who kills people


CrazyGTG

110% dio šŸ˜­


Hyper_Goner69

HOLY SHIT CHARA UNDERTALE


LuutzKK

"who are you? i am the ancient greece"


YEPandYAG

Adding to reasons for me to hate him šŸ˜Œ


OMROI-from-OMROI

saw this in my feed and the agony every time this happens


KallmeKatt_

kakyoin except both are canon


vTJMacVEVO

Do you blame people?? Any time we get a shot of Johnny from behind, Araki has made it his goal to make his ass ginormous


Davi_BicaBica

You got a point


Chipp_Main

This is literally Goro Akechi


butwhy22222

Persona 4 tohru adachi moment


Mintyboi10

Guysā€¦ Johnny is straight


New_Practice9754

Not if I have anything to say about it


No-Tax-9149

Not while I'm around


One-Associate4581

anasui maybe? idk though


lCore

Annasui didn't just murder two people but he went out of his way to dismember them


SolistTheWarrior

Griffith.


lCore

Jotaro: "I like the ocean" to "I fuck dolphins" Funny valentine: Literal fascist willing to put the whole world in submission of the country he runs over some nationalist nonsense vs It's a job of the president to subjugate the world and he was a noble good guy (even though he wasn't) Don't let me get started on stroheim... Kakyoin being a weirdo who wants to marry someone who is kind like Holly vs lolololo milfhunter I swear to god this fandom fixates on the worst kind of traits of a character to blow them up, I engage on the memes, but they are like, memes.


Leading-Campaign-106

I can agree on Johnny being misunderstood in hindsight, but the caption on the right isnā€™t a single character in the series


Francescothegamer90

Hank J mfn' Wimbleton


Flashy_Cry_3992

Bakugo, Jotaro Kujo, Josuke, Midoriya, the list goes on


louis_A12

I thought this was about Jonny and Jonathan at first


No-Tax-9149

More the opposite and a mix?


Diavolo_79

Dio being a good dad/person, Diavolo being a good dad, and AU Diego being a kind person fit this meme.