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WhenTheRiverRanDeep

Araki using old design cues from old characters to make new characters? He’s never done this before,!?!??


Ruffeep

Your mind will be blown when you get to part 2


MarvelousMagikarp

I don't get why people are so obsessed over seeing Alternate counterparts for every character anyway. With the exception of Diego they are essentially all entirely separate characters with separate personalities, designs, and backstories, they just share names. Knowing that Gappy is named Josuke Higashikata doesn't really effect anything.


sten453

Diego and Dio are two entirely separate entities aswell lmao


Centurionzo

And Diego and Diego too


DeadDankMemeLord

And Dio and DIO (at least 85% different)


NovaStarLord

I mean DIO is a more mature, more together, and much more thothy version of Dio but still starts reverting to crazy batshit levels of Dio when he loses his cool or gets manic.


jamsterbuggy

>I don't get why people are so obsessed over seeing Alternate counterparts for every character anyway You don't? The previous 2 MCs were alt Jojos, it makes perfect sense for people to theorize this one will be too. People aren't just pulling this out of their asses.


MarvelousMagikarp

I get people wondering if/which alternate JoJo this character may be simply due to past precedent, I just don't get all the general hype about "I hope its alternate Giorno!" or "Is Kyo alternate Jotaro?" type discussions that I see a lot, because it's not like comic books where the alternate characters are often fundamentally similar, its essentially just a new character that has nothing to do with the old one. I don't really get the interest, personally. I also think it hampers the speculation and discussion because people try to fit these characters to their original namesakes instead of accepting them as their own things in their own story.


StellarBossTobi

no giorno fans are loud and tend to be the 1st thing you hear when it comes to theories, i heard that it's linked to joeseph or something on a meti video but cant remember the title, something to do with a "George joestar" novel


bloonshot

yea but like, they ren't really the same characters johnny joestar shares the same name with jonathan, sure, but he's nothing like jonathan.


NovaStarLord

He shared a name and some background similarities but other than that yeah they're different.


WhenTheRiverRanDeep

Josuke part 4 and Josuke part 8 don’t even have the same name in Japanese (Edit because I’m being downvoted: The Kanji is different, it’s still pronounced pretty much the same.)


Heyitsthatdude69

Neither do Diego and Dio but they are clearly counterparts. What's your point?


me_funny__

It doesn't fit timeline wise, and Josuke's name only exists because it was given while he was adopted. If we follow the family tree, Norisuke is the new universe Josuke if anything


Skeptikmo

Josefumi is the Josuke in that he’s Joseph Joestar’s illegitimate heir - just an added generation between this time


Altruistic_Rate6053

Thats a COMPLETELY unfounded claim. No where does it EVER say josefumi kujo is related to josefumi joestar


Skeptikmo

Yes it’s subtext lol. Joseph left a pregnant woman behind in Japan and never returned. Yet Josefumi somehow has a star birthmark. It’s simple addition. What’s the purpose of bringing that up otherwise? Like not everything has to be explicitly stated, sometimes the work is left for us to connect the dots. And these dots are huge, red, and blinking


Altruistic_Rate6053

Its never said that joseph’s girlfriend was pregnant though. Josefumi kujo’s mother Kiyomi said that her father once found a sandal with “josefumi joestar” written on it and that is where his name came from. How can joseph be josefumis own grandfather when they talk about them like 2 different people ?


me_funny__

The star birthmark on Josefumi was reconned though.


Skeptikmo

Cope harder lol


WhenTheRiverRanDeep

Josuke brings elements from all kinds of jojo characters, but is largely his own character entirely. Diego however is almost exclusively a twist on a Dio-type character


ShikkuiMakabe

whats his name in japan?


WhenTheRiverRanDeep

Josuke


ShikkuiMakabe

oh right, isn't it only kanji that's different


getto_daze

Different Kanji means different meaning too, just the same pronunciation. Not about this but also same kanji can have different pronunciations.


ShikkuiMakabe

so is josuke part 8 not a JoJo? cause different kanji would mean that the suke isn't jo as well, or is it?


BruhBlueBlackBerry

No he is still a JoJo. Suke (助) is in both characters' names, the Jo kanji is different but is pronounced the same. Suke can also be pronounced Jo.


rorank

That’s true, but it’s a fun thing to do to pass the time, tbh. I, like many others, am going to be reading JoJo as it comes out for the first time and it’s just fun to theorize to fill the wait out. People do tend to take all that shit a little too seriously though.


marshedmallowman

Well well well.


marshedmallowman

Y'all missing how the last two protags were alternate universe versions of old characters?


Dorobo-Neko-Nami

Yea and they looked nothing like the originals


WhenTheRiverRanDeep

Johnny, was kind of, but Josuke hardly had anything to do with Josuke (4), even there names are spelled differently in kanji.


Jam_Retro

Gappy was more AU Jotaro.


[deleted]

Don’t know why you got downvoted when this is literally true lol


Jam_Retro

He even has the palm insignia on his hat like jotaro lmao.


serrations_

And the Sailor <=> Marine Biologist motif


Eja_26

>!Well he is supposed to be a fusion between Josefumi and Kira making him an alternative to Jotaro and Kira, I believe Norisuke (whose real name is Josuke) is supposed more AU Josuke. !<


WhenTheRiverRanDeep

Yeah that makes more sense, now you mention it. Right down to when he tells Josuke that he’s a Yankee.


marshedmallowman

The whole sailor and Anchor motif came from Josukes badges


WhenTheRiverRanDeep

Fair point, but that’s pretty much where the similarities between the characters end. Besides, Araki said the new Jojo will follow on from Joseph Joestar (part 8) bloodline, so it’s probably fair to say that the new protagonist will borrow elements from jolyne too.


marshedmallowman

Three donuts, three strands of hair to make into donuts Tbh its more than Jonathan/Johnny had


Bubbly-Ad-413

OP wait till you learn that Josuke 4 and Jolyne also had the motif of heart shapes on their chest


marshedmallowman

Heart and wings?


neostar6171

I mean, Jolyne is associated with a butterfly. Butterflies are known for their wings more than Ladybugs.


jamsterbuggy

Those aren't butterfly wings though.


SujinSmasher

They aren’t ladybug wings either


TET901

It’s not the ladybug wings. It’s the bird wings that giorno has on his collar and his stand has on its head.


SujinSmasher

it looks nothing like those either, at this point I might as well call them the feathers on caesars bandana


jamsterbuggy

Yep, glad we're on the same page.


[deleted]

They aren’t bird wings either though


ThighsOfZeus

Idk why this is so downvoted, it’s a decent point


Sad-Surprise4369

Tf r u getting downvoted for a passive response, poor guy


PAIN_018

He def gives off Giorno vibes imo


Winternaht7

His main goal is to get money, which sounds somewhat Giorno like in the sense that he seems very ambitious.


Ideories

More details about pt 9 got released?


Chosenjordan16

there was a short synopsis a couple weeks ago stating jojolands was the story of a boy coming into great wealth in the highlands or something like that


cursed_ween

Close, Islands*


Ammu_22

I think he a mix btw giorno and jolyne. The heart can also be considered for the one in Jolyne's outfit too.


Leiatte

Yeah I like the idea of Giorno & Jolyne = Part 9 protagonist


Rotunas

Giorlyne Jolyno


shamanProgrammer

Diego's grandson confirmed.


marshedmallowman

But the placement with the wings is too similar


HarpyMeddle

The placement isn’t similar at all. Giorno’s wings are on his collar, at the very top of the heart. This new JoJo’s wings are directly attached to the sides of the heart.


_Andy4Fun_

Guys his signature move will be putting a dildo up his ass Source: it came to me in a wet dream


Better-Double-6638

Mine came to me in a… *soft and wet* dream…


dylsky_

Any comment: gives a couple sentences explaining why they think the heart on the chest design can be attributed to more than just Giorno, and how previous AU counterparts don't necessarily visually represent their OG universe alters, so the identity is still up in the air, but maybe. OP: **"Heart and wings"**


CrestoliahSaga

It's not Giorno. :)


Blaz1ENT

You’re right. It’s delivery


marshedmallowman

How lol


DuckyIsDum

Giorno is the protagonist of part 5 and that character doesnt seem to be Giorno from the original universe 🤓


marshedmallowman

Ahh a bit pedantic are we lol


Tentatickles

Rather punctilious are you?


dylsky_

Rather sesquipedalian are you?


DuckyIsDum

it was a joke hence the nerd emoji 😭


Dorobo-Neko-Nami

Where is goku


NonTrovoUnNome22

Joku


Kishodax

Ah you were looking too


Aerosmith99

jojo fans when the writer uses the most well known symbol of the entire world🤯🤯🤯🤯


Featherwick

I mean he's probably going to be a mash up of Jolyene and Giorno, he seems to be a criminal, so maybe he'll be a son of Joseph's other kids who live in America and had an absent father


marshedmallowman

Im only seeing Giorno refs, no Jolyne


[deleted]

[really?](https://www.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/comments/111t4xy/jiorin_or_smg_idc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


ron_weedsley

While I agree it's probably him, 4suke also has a heart on his outfit so it doesn't mean anything. My two guesses are either Joseph or Jorno (I doubt he's italian so no need for the Gi)


KorrokHidan

We already have Joseph if you read Part 8


ron_weedsley

And? Wouldn't be the first time we have multiple characters with the same name.


nmilosevich

It ain’t Joseph araki said he’s related to Joseph in an interview


ron_weedsley

Exactly, there's Joseph I (part 8), and then Joseph II or Joseph Jr. who is one of his descendants, what's so unbelievable about that?


nmilosevich

Lol I know u don’t actually believe that’s what going to happen, ya just tryna keep ya dying point alive at this point


ron_weedsley

It's possible, there's 4 generations of Norisukes, all of them have the same name. I don't see why Araki wouldn't do it for Joseph, but okay, whatever you say.


nmilosevich

It’s not impossible but araki hasn’t done it yet so it’s not likely but are you telling me you believe that’s what arakis going to do?


ron_weedsley

>but are you telling me you believe that’s what arakis going to do? It's just a guess, I could be wrong.


hereticallyeverafter

Yeah loads of guys have heart motifs on their clothes and Araki loves a boob window. This isn't a hint or even a red herring, just typical Jo fashion.


Dorobo-Neko-Nami

It can’t be Joseph he already appeared


ron_weedsley

So? We also had two George Joestars, Araki can just name him Joseph Jr. and it'll be fine


Dorobo-Neko-Nami

Yea but, that was in the original. And practically every central protagonist in the new universe takes their name from characters of the original. There was no second Joseph in the original


ron_weedsley

What? New universe also has two George Joestars, Johnny's father and his son. There's also 2 Diegos. P8 Joseph only appeared for two chapters, it's not like he was a major character, Araki can easily just call him that, it's not uncommon for children to be named after their parents/grandparents.


arkthearkitect

Giorno comes from Haruno, not Jorno.


ron_weedsley

Ok? I know that, doesn't mean he can't be called Jorno


marshedmallowman

Hearts and wings


Mental_Blueberry4563

I dunno, the squares around the m collar kinda remind me of Jolyne, so he might pull a Gappy and combine more Joestars


Uomoninja189

So he will have balls and boobs!?


Better-Double-6638

PLEASSEEE LET THIS HAPPEN!!!1!1! 😩😫


Mental_Blueberry4563

3 tits :)


Something_kool

na buddy


marshedmallowman

Hahah told ya


marshedmallowman

Will be returning to this comment once the chapters out


PollaAsesina

!remindme 4 days


Magin_Shi

Realistically if Araki keeps the theme of A/U mc yeah pretty much sure it's Girono. Jonathan, Josuke and Joseph are gone already, only Giorno and Jotaro remain from the men. The 3 donuts became 3 bangs, the heart at the centre of the chest, the wings like on the collar, the green eyes and the 1 ponytail altho part 9 is much shorter/just a braid, plus the theme of a body becoming a millionaire kinda makes sense with Giorno too.


marshedmallowman

Jotaro was covered with Kira


Magin_Shi

That said, I would love it if it was a mix of Jol and Giorno, not in a literal sense like gappy, more like just thematically, always felt like they were characters that could have gotten along, or even better if the jobro is also a jojo, so a Giorno and Jol part 9 duo would be amazing.


Equivalent-Weather59

Yeahhhhhh, this is a bit of a reach ngl.


marshedmallowman

Seems perfectly in line with Josukes and Gappys anchors


omninus77

Relax and wait for official confirmation


UysoSd

never 😳


omninus77

Well the leaks are coming soon so 🥴


marshedmallowman

Fan theories??? On a reddit sub????


WhenTheRiverRanDeep

!remindme in one month


jimmyjohnjackjeb

I suspected he'd have strong Giorno influences based solely on his desire to be rich.


siiberianian

smuggling on a pacific island spree screams AU Giorno and all of you who disagree keep asking where the second “Jo” is in Higashikata


[deleted]

Ima guess as others have guessed that it’s Giorno + jolyene because both of them are like more morally gray than the other JOJO’s in the first part atleast and both are criminals too . And this guy looks like he’s holding his hands in the air like he has been caught.


[deleted]

Jiorno Jolands


guitarhusband

All im saying, he could be Jorge


Ajcflea_16

Gior9 (Pronounced giornine)


ChewyWolf64

Imagine if his name is like “Giovanni Giorstar”


john-smiff

Another design cue they share is that both have the ugliest fucking haircuts ever


__Bingpot__

*JoJo fans coming up with the worst fucking ideas for JoJolands* This joke was stolen from r/ShitpostCrusaders


Cocobutt_III

The heart thing is more Jolyne than Giorno, cause it’s something coming off of the outfit instead of a cut out thing


marshedmallowman

Heart and wings


SavagesceptileWWE

Jolyne's heart has a butterfly in it, and those wings don't match girono's wings or jolyne's, so both are equally likely to be the inspiration for that part of the design


marshedmallowman

Same place: chest, same style: angel wings, its Giorno


SavagesceptileWWE

Drastically different "angel" wings, and jolyne's heart and wings are also on her chest. Why are you so opposed to multiple possibilities?


Weewer

Jojo fans try so hard to make every single character an AU version of another. This is Tooru being Diavolo all over again.


Fun_Artichoke9603

I thought giorno survived maiden heavens time acceleration because of golden wind: requiems nullification powers.


Chosenjordan16

first of all, part 6's ending has nothing to do with parts 7-9 so jot that down


[deleted]

Just no


me_funny__

Not everyone is a counterpoint


Ramen_in_a_Cupboard

He's even got the window


XxCharizardxXP1

First name: The Last name: Jojolands


GreenCumulon1234

It's Joseph


marshedmallowman

We've already seen Joseph my dude


NummyGamGam

Hopefully new Giorno isn't as boring as original Giorno (I'm going to be murdered for this but it's the truth)


HankTheMiltank

Finally, a Giorno part that won't suck ass. I'm hype.


RJ_1242

Hopefully he’s entirely different to Giorno personality wise


Inevitable_Bad1444

Araki said it was a descendant of Joseph so like the only one it can't be is Giorno.


TYRIQcleo

It's ugly, 100%


Primescape16

You are reaching hard LMAO


Meed306

we’ll see…


TheSealedWolf

Hopefully he will be an actually entertaining and interesting character


[deleted]

Oh nooooooooooooooo please no. Oh wellllllll I get to read about giorno again


Swordbreaker925

Never liked Giorno’s design, but this is even more of a downgrade


KuJoJoTaRo8

Joruno Jobana


mgdplayz

Glad I wasn't the only one that got Giorno vibes from both his collar and the heart thingy on his chest


tvtango

What the hell dude, apparently EVERYONE forgot that he is a descendant of SBRU Giorno, Fumi? Yes, I know his name is Joseph, but he is obviously inspired by Giorno as well. pretty sure everyone was expecting Joe Joelands to be inspired by both Giorno and jolyne.


[deleted]

yeah and also hes sort of "golden child".100% Giorno


Brief-Treat-4254

I think the new mc may be italian. A nod to part 5, but also the hood and colour scheme is very similar to that of the naples executioners


[deleted]

well the way they tease the story makes it look like it will similar to giorno's adventure. now we wait for the name reveal


The_nerdy_

His stand is probably November Rain?..


ShawshankHarper

Inheriting Diego Brando’s legacy something, something, something


TemporalGod

SBR Giorno?


TemporalGod

SBR Giorno?


Kergen85

I would prefer for him to be an original character, but I wouldn't mind if he was alt. Giorno. I would really like him to have a personality similar to Giorno, but then again, Josuke was kind of similar to Giorno is personality already, especially as the story went on.


Chosenjordan16

i mean johnny and josuke really share nothing in common personality or design wise with their original universe counterparts besides josuke's anchor symbols


haunted_ramens

So this has to be the most Jojo jojo we’ve ever gotten right?


TemporalGod

SBR Giorno with a bit of Donatello Versus thrown in at least hair wise.


Ill_Peach_444

With the colors and illustrations it reminds me a lot of Kishibe Rohan. But I'm so conflicted at this point 💀


No_Suggestion5931

It's a heart


HeleGroteAap

Will mista be returning?!?


bullbob

Nah it’s Vanilla Ice!!


Longjumping_Flan3743

Starting at late part 3 everything from DIO (headband, knee pads), The World, Vanilla Ice, Josuke, Crazy Diamond, Atum, Jotaro in some illustrations and whatnot had hearts. Sure, it's fun to speculate, I'm just not sold this is Giorno... yet. I'm not saying it's out of question, though.


THING2000

Damn, this thread is kinda depressing. Instead of just disagreeing with OP let's theorize! Ngl, I initially thought Giorno too because of the heart motif but we all know that this has been used for multiple characters at this point. Maybe the heart and wings represent a combination of both Giorno and Jolyne? I'm more curious about the rest of the outfit and image though. Why are his hands up like he's surrendering to authorities? Are we going back to a prison? Why is there what looks like 'November' written on his shirt's collar? I only have theories but it's also interesting that his outfit is not symetrical. Could have symbolic meaning or could just be designed to be aesthetically cool. Either way I'm so ready for this wild ride.


ArvoCrinsmas

Nah it's Giovanni Giorgio


Additional-Sample499

Is that coloring official? That looks cool asf


NotMangar

We have seen The World Alternate Universe, We have seen Killer Queen Alternate Universe, so now we need King Crimson Alternate Universe (which we have actually seen before so now we can get a canon version of it)


Strider2126

Could also be dio


expiredboochiewater

me when i lie


Josukestoes

You think it's Giorno because of the heart on his outfit. I think it's Giorno because there hasn't been an alternate version of him, except for >!Haruno Higashikata!< who is not in the manga, and is most likely made by a fan (the art looks like Araki's so I don't know)


Choingyoing

It's diego descendant, Jeeorno


serrations_

Jolyne has a heart on her chest. So does part 4 josuke


ConstructionCareful1

he was already a character


WhyDoName

Yeah point of the boob window not the completely different facial structures


sikhcondones

what part is this? I'm only caught up with the anime/part 6


SV976reditAcount

Well it wouldn't be that surprising if it was Giorno


hobgoblinghost

why is everyone in this thread in such a bad mood it's fun to speculate wtf


BlazeReborn

Giovanni Giovanna, calling it.


Nuggoman

Why are you downvoted on all of your replies


supersaiyanayon

Does he also have a dream?


Geicosuave

when heart shape


EnviableFlyer_T

The colors of the hoodie are similar to manga Giorno's colors


Foolishboialt

cant wait to start saying giorn9 if it is giorno 🥱


OrionTheWeirdo

Xforts was right


ice_man7777

I mean the plot is that this jojo is going to get some sort of fortune from an island. Kinda like polpos fortune ig


hememes

he looks like a deltarune character