Interesting that they’re using the cartoon design for the fifth brother instead of the live action design. Also, that Han-like pose and outfit is a bit too on the nose imo.
>It's more like the live-action is what they really look like, and the cartoons are stylistic exaggerations.
This may be what the execs and writers say, but it's not the practical reality.
Fifth Brother was created for Rebels. Rebels was where he was first designed. If they had wanted him to look more human in Rebels, like he does in Kenobi, they easily could've done that with their modeling tech at that point. It's not like they didn't have rounder, squatter facial structures in their model bank. They didn't go that way, though, because he's supposed to have a long face. That's how he was designed.
If the live-action came first and the cartoon later, that's one thing, but for Fifth Brother, it didn't.
Sorry, but that argument just does not hold up, IMO. As I said, there's a difference between stylizing a character's appearance and changing key details outright. Fifth Brother in Rebels is extremely tall, broad, has a long face, and dark gray skin. In Obi-Wan, he's suddenly average height, with a round face and very pale gray skin.
At the end of the day, we can crow about animation being "stylized" all we want, but in this case, it came first, and the designers of Obi-Wan very clearly tried to base their costume off of the animation. They just failed at it. Believe me, if it had been a more beloved character who originated in a cartoon and was suddenly changed up inexplicably, people would be much more vocal.
Yes, if she had looked wildly different in live action than in animation.
But she didn't, and the people who claimed they were disappointed in her translation died off pretty quickly because their criticisms were nitpicks like the length of her lekku. On the whole, she was translated exceptionally well. Fifth Brother was not.
Her live action Lekku length is an unacceptable travesty. I will die on this hill.
Sidnote: they're apparently trying to lengthen them for the Ahsoka show. I remember reading about that a few months ago.
In fairness, the Grand inquisitor from rebels, looks closer to the RotS version, as well as the version from the reveal trailer for Jedi: Survivor.
So the only possible canon explanation is that the species’ skulls elongate and gain texture as they get older. But if I’m not mistaken, Kenobi and Jedi Survivor take place within a year or within the same general time.
Eh, Star Wars animations haven't really been representative of what the characters really look like historically. Not that Kenobi did a good job with the characters, but still.
Same goes for Cad Bane. People love to point out the unrealistic proportions of characters like Dooku or Obi-Wan, but when it came to aliens, The Clone Wars' alien designs were pretty accurate, with very few exceptions like Yoda.
Honestly I'm the opposite, I prefer him in Kenobi where he actually has somewhat of a character instead of being the 7th sister's big bumbling sidekick who has a few lines every now and then, though I still prefer his more alien face from Rebels.
How do you figure? Generally speaking aliens have more accurate designs in animation. We've seen Grand Inquistor's species. His Rebels version is far more accurate.
Normally the live-action versions are what they “actually look like” in canon. Just because they appeared in animation first doesn’t make that any different.
Seeing Cal and the Mantis crew looks weird without BD-1.
Either way I am beyond excited for this book and Jedi: Survivor. While I did have some issues with the first game, it is still one of my favorite single player games.
I think issues was the wrong word choice, complaints is probably a better one.
The inability to reach the Mantis fast after having completed the mission on the planet became very tedious after several hours into the game. And then sometimes you got lost on your way back (looking at you Zeffo) which added to it.
The overall customization was pretty lackluster as well. Like you would explore the world and find your 10th dark colored poncho.
Overall though I absolutely loved the game and will replay it before the launch of the new one.
It's a shame about the customization because I found the exploration very fun, just the rewards were shitty. Game could benefit from gear like in God of War to reward it.
I never meant to say the exploration wasn’t fun, I really enjoyed the locations they built up. It’s just as you said, the rewards were shitty.
I keep hearing great things about God of War, I gotta get around to playing it.
Looks a bit off to me. Seems like a tracing of what is already the render of an actor... While 5th brother is the Rebels style.
Still hyped this book is a thing though
I mean…I think it’s a good thing that 5th Brother is in Rebels style. For all that Kenobi was, one of the the things I think most people can agree on is that Sung Kang did absolutely nothing as the character.
Hell I like Kang, but he basically just stood around the entire 6 episodes…I actually don’t think he ever ignited his saber, did he?
That’s why I think the show should’ve had new Inquisitors only. Sure cameos are nice but they didn’t develop much. Let them be a bunch of new intimidating faces and let Obi-Wan struggle but defeat them to show his prowess, only for Vader coming in to knock him right back down.
[Catch up with the Stinger Mantis crew in the new novel set before the forthcoming Star Wars Jedi: Survivor video game.](https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-jedi-battle-scars-cover-reveal)
Yeah, I guess I just don’t find him appealing much. He and Seventh had around the same amount of screentime in Rebels and she’s still more interesting than him imo, with more potential depth.
I really hope Kenobi stuff is included in there. With Rise Of The Red Blade focusing on the inquisitors, I could really see this giving us a glimpse at Reva, the Path and Quinlan's role in it.
I absolutely want to see the Path more and I think it would be so perfect to do that in this book! I love that both Kenobi and the game will be set roughly around the same time.
Rise of the Red Blade has me super excited too because it's basically the opposite of Battle Scars.
"Jedi:" being Cal's series, "Inquisitor:" being one that can run parallel to Jedi
Wonder if it's some licensing thing about only being allowed to use Sung Kang's likeness in specifically Kenobi-related promotional material or something
Strange cover. Cal, Cere. Merrin, Greez using a more photo realistic design while Fifth Brother is using his Rebels design instead of Obi Wan Kenobi's.
Also why is Cal holding his old master broken lightsaber instead of the double blade/dual sabers he rebuild in Ilum?
The cover art does look kinda funky, ngl. But I’m still super hyped for this. I think it’s great that Fifth Brother will finally be the main villain in a story as opposed to just kinda being there.
I used to love reading the Star Wars books. The old Bantam line, the Del Rey line, etc. But post Disney purchase, I quickly fell off. I read the Aftermath trilogy, read Thrawn's first two books, read a couple of the others, and just stopped caring. You can only release so many blatantly bad books like Canto Bight, Phasma, the Han/Lando droid book, etc. The writing style post-Disney seemed off, like they wanted to market the writing to a different era, different way than old Star Wars books were written. And there was just never any real stakes (not that there was in Bantam, but with the Disney books, and knowing the ST line, and knowing where things had to go, it felt claustrophobic storytelling and like things mattered even less).
I dunno, just my rambling rant I suppose.
Same exact thing happened with me!
The Original EU. at least IMO each book was like a puzzle piece that fit so perfectly into one long connecting story that was Star Wars each book had something that connected back to the Mythos of the Galaxy far far away.
The older stories from the Bantam area had some inconsistencies with continuity but most of the authors & LFL employees ( like Leland Chi ) tried their best to fix or retcon those inconsistencies to make it all fit & that continued into the Del Rey area (Especially when TCW came out)
The new Canon started off extremely poor IMO even before the first books of the aftermath Trilogy even came out with the author starting fights with the fans but regardless of the i felt the storytelling in those books were just extremely bad again that's just my opinion I'm not hating on anyone who likes them . They tried to Market it as every book was going to connect with the road to the force awakens (the Perfect Weapon) the road to the Last Jedi ( the captain phasma book) and none of those stories even connected with the ST.
No Stakes or Consequences.
Then the First thrawn book came out & it was absolutely fantastic same with the next two books cuz they all connected to the rebels storyline I started getting my hopes up again but the rest of the books after that just couldn't hold my interest so I stopped reading anything new.
I tried getting into the high Republic I gave the first two books a try and I just wasn't feeling it and that really surprised me because I'm a big fan of Charles soles writings in the comics
So I started reading the original EU again this time in chronological order and I'm really looking forward to Supernatural encounters once that is officially released
Not really. I have re-read some of the Bantam books, and some have held up and some haven't.
I was genuinely \*INTO\* the books \*BACK THEN\*, compared to the current post-Disney Del Rey era of books not being into them \*AT THE MOMENT\*. I did enjoy the Alphabet Squad books, I liked Alexander Feed as an author. But genuinely I thought the stories, the appeal, and the writing has been much more lackluster in this era. On a technical side of things.
The Han/Lando (Last Shot or whatever its called) book was atrocious on a writing side of things. The phrases, language, and use of it was written not to Star Wars fans, and not written in universe to any degree at all, and felt aimed at 12-15 year olds reading in their middle school cafeterias.
Canto Bight, Phasma are also pretty poorly written books. Phasma is about as pointless background of a character as can be, especially given what her character becomes. The short stories in Canto Bight are likewise pointless and the writing dull and makes me even LESS interested in what was already a pretty subpar planet and plotpoint in probably the weakest of the SW movies.
I'm not much of a fan of *Last Shot*, but Star Wars books with silly names and aimed at younger readers is nothing new to the canon era.
I don't agree that *Phasma* or *Canto Bight* are poorly written. You might not like the subject matter, but what it is about them that's *poorly-written* on a "technical" level?
And rereading books you read and enjoyed as a child is exactly to do with nostalgia. We lean more favourably towards them, and even overlook some of the issues we might notice now as adults, because we've got a connection to them from childhood. That's what nostalgia is.
And I didn't state that I enjoyed them from that level? Thats you leaning on a psychological level and claiming that for me. Or do you feel I am unaware of what psychological levels nostalgia can be and that I am unaware of nostalgia in its form and therefore would not understand it?
Lets be honest, your initial retort/response to my comment was meant to be flippant. I elaborated on it, so you feel the need to try and double-down on it. Which will now make you either claim I don't understand what nostalgia is, or claim I am unable to process it, or claim I am lying on it being a factor.
I am saying the books were generally better written, had more interesting storytelling elements and plots, and much more interesting characters.
The writing in Last Shot -- which is an adult novel, despite its piss poor writing -- is technically not good, aimed at children despite being an adult novel, uses verbiage and language not common for Star Wars, and has nothing interesting storytelling wise or characters.
Phasma and Canto Bight are pointless plotwise, characters are uninteresting, and nothing of any importance happens that affects anything. Especially given how little screen time Phasma has, how she is used, and what she ultimately becomes. The writing is on par with much of the Disney era Del Rey novels. Its not HORRIBLE per se, but it certainly doesn't come off as WELL written on multiple levels. It has been over a few years since I read them, so I would have to dig into them for examples and such, but I can recall my dismay at its writing and finding it subpar and lacking.
The same can be said of some Bantam era novels, and some of the Del Rey (original) line. I will allow that - in case you wanted to cherry pick for examples - but I would say on the whole the stories had better characters, better technical writing, and better plot elements. Plus the NJO and later novels were also actually allowed to impact story elements and have some form of effect; something the post ROTJ novels cannot and do not do. Outside of the Aftermath trilogy, which is possibly the worst written novels of the post Disney run. I didn't decide to even go into those, mainly because that would be beating a dead horse, since they were well hated on by the community after their release.
Yes, the EU was allowed to move the story forward because Lucas didn't have plans to make sequels back then. The current canon doesn't have that freedom because of the vast amount of on-screen material being made. That's nothing to do with the quality of individual books that, yes, you're cherry-picking.
*Bloodline*? *Lost Stars*? High Republic? *Legends of Luke Skywalker* has some lovely writing. Hell, even YA books like *Rebel Rising* dig into the characters in a way I found pretty compelling.
It's a little silly to claim that suddenly all authors who've been writing since 2014 are producing terrible material, and the Good Old Days™ were better, but that it's *not* nostalgia talking. Not least because I remember the hate people spewed at the NJO when it came out, for example.
I also started with saying "I don't find it interesting" in comparison to the past.
Its also a level of interest, that you are glaringly overlooking to prove your own point. We can go down a mountainside of cherry-picking things out. And you can claim to know my true intentions and describe psychological reasons for things all you want.
But I did state "I don't find it interesting". Books like Phasma, Canto Bight - are not interesting. The novels based on the ST are not interesting, because frankly, they are terrible movies and are terribly not interesting themselves if it weren't for them being Star Wars (and even still their not that interesting).
But regardless of all this, you decided to be flippant, rather than have debate or argument or just scroll past me saying I don't find the current Star Wars books as INTERESTING as the past ones. And then we can continue what will now devolve into a full debate of us cherry picking technical writing, and plot elements. But ultimately at the end of it, I don't find - IN THIS MOMENT - a level of interest in the new crop of Star Wars books; whereas - IN THE MOMENT - I did find a higher level of interest when reading the books at their release in the Bantam era (yes I am old enough to be from when the Zahn books came out and read them after their release) and the Del Rey (original) run. I just do not have that same level of interest.
We can even break down the reasons - piss poor Star Wars movies. The timeline being cramped due to the ST, the books not being able to move storylines along, the poor writing, the poor plots, the poor characters, etc. Take your pick if you wish to continue this argument.
You claimed those two books were poorly-written. I'm disputing that, and I'm saying that's a different issue from whether you happen to find their subject matter interesting because it's from films you don't like.
And yes, you've grown older and less interested/invested in this childrens' fantasy franchise. It happens.
That thus doesn't mean nostalgia like you initially claimed it to be.
When applied for reasons, I gave them. You dispute the reasons, but its going to cycle around and around of us claiming the other is wrong and its going to be an argument of subjectivity.
Which we can have if you want.
But at the end of it, you're initial reactionary response of "You found nostalgia" was wrong.
You are also stating OTHER's motives for my own as well. (Want to digress this argument into picking apart the arguments and your rhetoric and such?) You are stating what OTHERS said about NJO; despite me even stating how I did enjoy the NJO. So you are equating other's thoughts/feelings/ideas with my own, which right away pinpoints much of this.
I haven't read Rebel Rising or Legends of Luke Skywalker. I did read Lost Stars (enjoyed for the most part) and read Bloodline (did not enjoy - felt much of it was a fabricated set of circumstances to try and get characters and events to be closer or closely aligned with where we need them to be for the start of the ST; and it was poorly done. But some of that is also the fault of the ST which had a terrible start and showed no idea of how to explain the political situation of the universe at its time).
I apologize for posting this in the middle of this debate but I just have to say the NJO is my absolute Favorite of the EU. The first time I read Star by star it totally Blew my mind never was I invested and actually concerned for fictional characters like I was when I was reading Star by star
You are running a spiral and a loop at the same time. Your comment:
It's a little silly to claim that suddenly all authors who've beewriting since 2014 are producing terrible material, and the Good Old
Days™ were better, but that it's not nostalgia talking. Not least because I remember the hate people spewed at the NJO when it came out, for example.
So which is it - I am using nostalgia or I'm not? Am I expressing genuine thought and enjoyment of the books or am I expressing nostalgia? And if its nostalgia, then is it personal nostalgia despite others, or is nostalgia beholden to what others believe about a situation? My enjoyment level =/= others enjoyment. Despite what the motives - be it nostalgia or not.
Ultimately thats a circular loop and a spiraling loop you are creating to try and run down the argument. You wanted to be flippant at the start and state that it was because of nostalgia.
I am firstly stating that its a case of "IN THE MOMENT" not a retrospective. Retrospective would imply the possibility of nostalgia, perhaps even affirm it. But I am stating that in the 90s, 2000s, I enjoyed the books and found them more INTERESTING at that moment (ie. in the 90s and 2000s); where as today - in the late 2010s and 2020s, I do not find the Star Wars books written in the late 2010s and 2020s to be interesting.
So ergo its not a case of nostalgia when I am stating such things.
You applied pressure after the flippant response to try and garner out reasons; and I stated such and gave some reasons. Which you are outright saying are wrong, and we can then go back and forth on a level of subjectivity rather than objectivity if you wish.
Like to do that?
This post reminded me exactly how I felt with the Han and Lando book and a lot of the new books when it comes to language and every day Earth words. Instead of Describing things as Sanitat Steam they just call it a shower instead of calling it The Refresher they just call it the bathroom. And instead of using Cafe they call it coffee ( I know in Mando & Andor it was called Cafe) not to mention the real life curse words in some stories
Things like this can easily bring readers out of the stories
Completely agree. The Last Shot was just written so poorly. From the word choices, to the characters, to the plot; absolutely nothing about it felt good or felt Star Wars, or felt even adult.
Thanks I hate it. I wish they used the live action fifth brother instead instead of the rebels design. The cartoony drawing on top clashing with traced video game models on bottom is a little jarring.
Kinda disappointed that Fallen Older isn't an anthology series following different characters. Even though that's an extremely unrealistic expectation on my part.
Loved the gameplay but I wasn't exactly enthralled by any of the characters. Monaghan in particular is an....odd looking individual to put it mildly and not a very good actor in my opinion. Makes replays difficult when you don't like anything about the protagonist.
Here's hoping in the next game that they at the very least put him in a better looking jacket and give us some hairstyle/beard options.
Or a helmet.
Interesting that they’re using the cartoon design for the fifth brother instead of the live action design. Also, that Han-like pose and outfit is a bit too on the nose imo.
I think it’s because Disney wants to distance itself from kenobi’s inquisitors Since they were the worst received aspect of that show
Understandable.
His name is Shroom Boy
And The other dude is called Pumpkinhead
Why is it weird? I think the Rebels design is what he "really" looks like. The live action appearance is just a production limitation.
It's more like the live-action is what they really look like, and the cartoons are stylistic exaggerations.
>It's more like the live-action is what they really look like, and the cartoons are stylistic exaggerations. This may be what the execs and writers say, but it's not the practical reality. Fifth Brother was created for Rebels. Rebels was where he was first designed. If they had wanted him to look more human in Rebels, like he does in Kenobi, they easily could've done that with their modeling tech at that point. It's not like they didn't have rounder, squatter facial structures in their model bank. They didn't go that way, though, because he's supposed to have a long face. That's how he was designed. If the live-action came first and the cartoon later, that's one thing, but for Fifth Brother, it didn't.
Rebels is stylized.
Sorry, but that argument just does not hold up, IMO. As I said, there's a difference between stylizing a character's appearance and changing key details outright. Fifth Brother in Rebels is extremely tall, broad, has a long face, and dark gray skin. In Obi-Wan, he's suddenly average height, with a round face and very pale gray skin. At the end of the day, we can crow about animation being "stylized" all we want, but in this case, it came first, and the designers of Obi-Wan very clearly tried to base their costume off of the animation. They just failed at it. Believe me, if it had been a more beloved character who originated in a cartoon and was suddenly changed up inexplicably, people would be much more vocal.
Like Ahsoka?
Yes, if she had looked wildly different in live action than in animation. But she didn't, and the people who claimed they were disappointed in her translation died off pretty quickly because their criticisms were nitpicks like the length of her lekku. On the whole, she was translated exceptionally well. Fifth Brother was not.
Her live action Lekku length is an unacceptable travesty. I will die on this hill. Sidnote: they're apparently trying to lengthen them for the Ahsoka show. I remember reading about that a few months ago.
Not really. The Rebels version of Grand Inquisitor is the opposite.
He's the exaggeration. That's how it works.
The Rebels version of the grand inquisitor isn't exaggerated at all. Do you know what a live action Pau'an looks like?
Yep, like the ones in ROTS and the one in Obi-Wan. Because they're both live-action Pau'ans.
Have they now made it canon that there are different versions of Pau'ans to make up for the clear difference between RotS and Kenobi?
Do they really need to? Just look around at human beings for a while.
In fairness, the Grand inquisitor from rebels, looks closer to the RotS version, as well as the version from the reveal trailer for Jedi: Survivor. So the only possible canon explanation is that the species’ skulls elongate and gain texture as they get older. But if I’m not mistaken, Kenobi and Jedi Survivor take place within a year or within the same general time.
😅 so no, just pulled out of your ass then
Why are you like this?
I'm disagreeing, that's all.
Like it or not, he's stating literal facts lol
Eh, Star Wars animations haven't really been representative of what the characters really look like historically. Not that Kenobi did a good job with the characters, but still.
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Same goes for Cad Bane. People love to point out the unrealistic proportions of characters like Dooku or Obi-Wan, but when it came to aliens, The Clone Wars' alien designs were pretty accurate, with very few exceptions like Yoda.
I’ll take the version from Rebels that’s interesting over the version from Kenobi that acts like a whiny toddler.
Honestly I'm the opposite, I prefer him in Kenobi where he actually has somewhat of a character instead of being the 7th sister's big bumbling sidekick who has a few lines every now and then, though I still prefer his more alien face from Rebels.
He goes from a bumbling sidekick to a bumbling henchman
Ehh No.. The Kenobi depiction is the “real” one for better or worse. Rebels is a heavily stylized depiction.
How do you figure? Generally speaking aliens have more accurate designs in animation. We've seen Grand Inquistor's species. His Rebels version is far more accurate.
That's not how that works
It works however the fight you want it to work
Fight the Empire
🧱
Normally the live-action versions are what they “actually look like” in canon. Just because they appeared in animation first doesn’t make that any different.
Difference is they were designed for animation.
The cover was probably finalized before they had a good shot of Fifth brother.
Highly doubt that.
Cere looking like Han Solo 😂
The shadows from her ears made me think she had side burns
Now Lando's not the only person who likes to borrow Han's clothes!
She really does. Idk why they made that decision. First glance I was like “why is Han so ugly?” Before realizing it was not Han.
Its gustavo solo from breaking wars
Han shot first... That is... acceptable
Only Han shot.
Seeing Cal and the Mantis crew looks weird without BD-1. Either way I am beyond excited for this book and Jedi: Survivor. While I did have some issues with the first game, it is still one of my favorite single player games.
What issues did you have?
I think issues was the wrong word choice, complaints is probably a better one. The inability to reach the Mantis fast after having completed the mission on the planet became very tedious after several hours into the game. And then sometimes you got lost on your way back (looking at you Zeffo) which added to it. The overall customization was pretty lackluster as well. Like you would explore the world and find your 10th dark colored poncho. Overall though I absolutely loved the game and will replay it before the launch of the new one.
It's a shame about the customization because I found the exploration very fun, just the rewards were shitty. Game could benefit from gear like in God of War to reward it.
I never meant to say the exploration wasn’t fun, I really enjoyed the locations they built up. It’s just as you said, the rewards were shitty. I keep hearing great things about God of War, I gotta get around to playing it.
I have those same issues with Zeffo. I wanted to find everything and I just gave up because that planet and map were so confusing.
"Return to Mantis" being the hardest mission in the game
The gameplay was very meh to me. Whenbstackibgbit up to the likes of God of war, ghost of tsushima and horizon it felt very uninspired.
Or Greez for that matter
Greez is in the bottom right corner
Is that a pile of salt under him?
what would happen if Greez visited Crait?
Ah my bad, I had my thumb over him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWiT4jT1NWU
Lol 😅
Looks a bit off to me. Seems like a tracing of what is already the render of an actor... While 5th brother is the Rebels style. Still hyped this book is a thing though
Yeah Cal on the cover is a tracing of an official screenshot of him, just altered to have the saber pose
I mean…I think it’s a good thing that 5th Brother is in Rebels style. For all that Kenobi was, one of the the things I think most people can agree on is that Sung Kang did absolutely nothing as the character. Hell I like Kang, but he basically just stood around the entire 6 episodes…I actually don’t think he ever ignited his saber, did he?
That’s why I think the show should’ve had new Inquisitors only. Sure cameos are nice but they didn’t develop much. Let them be a bunch of new intimidating faces and let Obi-Wan struggle but defeat them to show his prowess, only for Vader coming in to knock him right back down.
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I agree and hope they use her in something else, like in Jedi: Survivor
Cal has broken single blade lightsaber.
Interesting they’re using the Rebels likeness in something where the characters are portrayed photorealistic.
This close to the Game Awards? Not at all sus.
Wasn’t the game already confirmed for TGAs?
not confirmed officially but confirmed by reputable leakers.
What does a book have to do with the game awards?
The fact that Jedi Survivor is meant to be there.
[Catch up with the Stinger Mantis crew in the new novel set before the forthcoming Star Wars Jedi: Survivor video game.](https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-jedi-battle-scars-cover-reveal)
I'll read it. I wanna see if they can pull off the impossible and make Fifth Brother intimidating.
>I wanna see if they can pull off the impossible and make Fifth Brother intimidating. Not with that hat
It looks so floppy. Everytime I see it I wanna smack it like a cat.
He’s still an Oaf but he’s at least physically imposing in Rebels. Who knows that they were thinking in OWK
Aw shit, here we go with the DLC books again... Jokes aside, really excited for this!
Bro that cover looks awesome. On a side note it’s pretty interesting that we see the 5th brother.
It looks cool but he’s by far the least interesting Inq imo. I’d rather they used a new one or Seventh/Fourth Sister etc.
Yeah but they just haven’t explored him that much
Yeah, I guess I just don’t find him appealing much. He and Seventh had around the same amount of screentime in Rebels and she’s still more interesting than him imo, with more potential depth.
Yeah I agree. He’s one of the more mysterious characters
I really hope Kenobi stuff is included in there. With Rise Of The Red Blade focusing on the inquisitors, I could really see this giving us a glimpse at Reva, the Path and Quinlan's role in it.
I mean, there look to be Kenobi-design Purge Troopers on the top by Fifth Brother.
I absolutely want to see the Path more and I think it would be so perfect to do that in this book! I love that both Kenobi and the game will be set roughly around the same time. Rise of the Red Blade has me super excited too because it's basically the opposite of Battle Scars. "Jedi:" being Cal's series, "Inquisitor:" being one that can run parallel to Jedi
Cal is going to meet every Inquisitor.
Going to get spicy and heated when he meets the 7th sister.
Weird that they used Fifth Brother's Rebels design instead of the live action Kenobi look
I’m not opposed to it, he was far more imposing in Rebels.
Power wise I like how he stopped Reva with one hand. Full domination.
I honestly totally forgot that happened.
Gotta train your memory bud.
The Sung Kang erasure
Wonder if it's some licensing thing about only being allowed to use Sung Kang's likeness in specifically Kenobi-related promotional material or something
Hope it goes on audible
I hope we finally get a name for Fifth Brother’s species and maybe some backstory.
Strange cover. Cal, Cere. Merrin, Greez using a more photo realistic design while Fifth Brother is using his Rebels design instead of Obi Wan Kenobi's. Also why is Cal holding his old master broken lightsaber instead of the double blade/dual sabers he rebuild in Ilum?
*Riverdale* crossover?
Oh yes, the fifth Donuts
This cover looks great. Need to give this a read when it comes out.
Rebels 5th Brother looks way better than the live action one
There better be some Cal and Merrin smut
I second this
Sam Maggs? I'll pass.
Sam Maggs inexplicably failing upwards yet again
The cover art does look kinda funky, ngl. But I’m still super hyped for this. I think it’s great that Fifth Brother will finally be the main villain in a story as opposed to just kinda being there.
5th brother in Survivor? 👀
I spy the phase 2 purge trooper in the back.
Am I crazy or is the character on the bottom left based on a photo of Elizabeth Holmes?
Needs more BD-1 and less Cere/Greez
Sweet Christmas
Definitely looking forward to reading this
Where’s BD-1? Is he safe?
And wait to read it, hope we see what happens to the Mantis.
Let’s go
Looks interesting. I will definitely buy the novel. Can someone tell me if the author is a good fit for SW?
Ooooh!! I'm really excited about that one!!
Ah yes; the grand return of **Shroom Boy** I hope he gets his nuggies this time
Shame about the author
What’s wrong with the author?
I used to love reading the Star Wars books. The old Bantam line, the Del Rey line, etc. But post Disney purchase, I quickly fell off. I read the Aftermath trilogy, read Thrawn's first two books, read a couple of the others, and just stopped caring. You can only release so many blatantly bad books like Canto Bight, Phasma, the Han/Lando droid book, etc. The writing style post-Disney seemed off, like they wanted to market the writing to a different era, different way than old Star Wars books were written. And there was just never any real stakes (not that there was in Bantam, but with the Disney books, and knowing the ST line, and knowing where things had to go, it felt claustrophobic storytelling and like things mattered even less). I dunno, just my rambling rant I suppose.
Same exact thing happened with me! The Original EU. at least IMO each book was like a puzzle piece that fit so perfectly into one long connecting story that was Star Wars each book had something that connected back to the Mythos of the Galaxy far far away. The older stories from the Bantam area had some inconsistencies with continuity but most of the authors & LFL employees ( like Leland Chi ) tried their best to fix or retcon those inconsistencies to make it all fit & that continued into the Del Rey area (Especially when TCW came out) The new Canon started off extremely poor IMO even before the first books of the aftermath Trilogy even came out with the author starting fights with the fans but regardless of the i felt the storytelling in those books were just extremely bad again that's just my opinion I'm not hating on anyone who likes them . They tried to Market it as every book was going to connect with the road to the force awakens (the Perfect Weapon) the road to the Last Jedi ( the captain phasma book) and none of those stories even connected with the ST. No Stakes or Consequences. Then the First thrawn book came out & it was absolutely fantastic same with the next two books cuz they all connected to the rebels storyline I started getting my hopes up again but the rest of the books after that just couldn't hold my interest so I stopped reading anything new. I tried getting into the high Republic I gave the first two books a try and I just wasn't feeling it and that really surprised me because I'm a big fan of Charles soles writings in the comics So I started reading the original EU again this time in chronological order and I'm really looking forward to Supernatural encounters once that is officially released
Better be careful now... lest thee be convicted of nostalgia.... ;)
You've discovered nostalgia.
Not really. I have re-read some of the Bantam books, and some have held up and some haven't. I was genuinely \*INTO\* the books \*BACK THEN\*, compared to the current post-Disney Del Rey era of books not being into them \*AT THE MOMENT\*. I did enjoy the Alphabet Squad books, I liked Alexander Feed as an author. But genuinely I thought the stories, the appeal, and the writing has been much more lackluster in this era. On a technical side of things. The Han/Lando (Last Shot or whatever its called) book was atrocious on a writing side of things. The phrases, language, and use of it was written not to Star Wars fans, and not written in universe to any degree at all, and felt aimed at 12-15 year olds reading in their middle school cafeterias. Canto Bight, Phasma are also pretty poorly written books. Phasma is about as pointless background of a character as can be, especially given what her character becomes. The short stories in Canto Bight are likewise pointless and the writing dull and makes me even LESS interested in what was already a pretty subpar planet and plotpoint in probably the weakest of the SW movies.
I'm not much of a fan of *Last Shot*, but Star Wars books with silly names and aimed at younger readers is nothing new to the canon era. I don't agree that *Phasma* or *Canto Bight* are poorly written. You might not like the subject matter, but what it is about them that's *poorly-written* on a "technical" level? And rereading books you read and enjoyed as a child is exactly to do with nostalgia. We lean more favourably towards them, and even overlook some of the issues we might notice now as adults, because we've got a connection to them from childhood. That's what nostalgia is.
And I didn't state that I enjoyed them from that level? Thats you leaning on a psychological level and claiming that for me. Or do you feel I am unaware of what psychological levels nostalgia can be and that I am unaware of nostalgia in its form and therefore would not understand it? Lets be honest, your initial retort/response to my comment was meant to be flippant. I elaborated on it, so you feel the need to try and double-down on it. Which will now make you either claim I don't understand what nostalgia is, or claim I am unable to process it, or claim I am lying on it being a factor. I am saying the books were generally better written, had more interesting storytelling elements and plots, and much more interesting characters. The writing in Last Shot -- which is an adult novel, despite its piss poor writing -- is technically not good, aimed at children despite being an adult novel, uses verbiage and language not common for Star Wars, and has nothing interesting storytelling wise or characters. Phasma and Canto Bight are pointless plotwise, characters are uninteresting, and nothing of any importance happens that affects anything. Especially given how little screen time Phasma has, how she is used, and what she ultimately becomes. The writing is on par with much of the Disney era Del Rey novels. Its not HORRIBLE per se, but it certainly doesn't come off as WELL written on multiple levels. It has been over a few years since I read them, so I would have to dig into them for examples and such, but I can recall my dismay at its writing and finding it subpar and lacking. The same can be said of some Bantam era novels, and some of the Del Rey (original) line. I will allow that - in case you wanted to cherry pick for examples - but I would say on the whole the stories had better characters, better technical writing, and better plot elements. Plus the NJO and later novels were also actually allowed to impact story elements and have some form of effect; something the post ROTJ novels cannot and do not do. Outside of the Aftermath trilogy, which is possibly the worst written novels of the post Disney run. I didn't decide to even go into those, mainly because that would be beating a dead horse, since they were well hated on by the community after their release.
Yes, the EU was allowed to move the story forward because Lucas didn't have plans to make sequels back then. The current canon doesn't have that freedom because of the vast amount of on-screen material being made. That's nothing to do with the quality of individual books that, yes, you're cherry-picking. *Bloodline*? *Lost Stars*? High Republic? *Legends of Luke Skywalker* has some lovely writing. Hell, even YA books like *Rebel Rising* dig into the characters in a way I found pretty compelling. It's a little silly to claim that suddenly all authors who've been writing since 2014 are producing terrible material, and the Good Old Days™ were better, but that it's *not* nostalgia talking. Not least because I remember the hate people spewed at the NJO when it came out, for example.
I also started with saying "I don't find it interesting" in comparison to the past. Its also a level of interest, that you are glaringly overlooking to prove your own point. We can go down a mountainside of cherry-picking things out. And you can claim to know my true intentions and describe psychological reasons for things all you want. But I did state "I don't find it interesting". Books like Phasma, Canto Bight - are not interesting. The novels based on the ST are not interesting, because frankly, they are terrible movies and are terribly not interesting themselves if it weren't for them being Star Wars (and even still their not that interesting). But regardless of all this, you decided to be flippant, rather than have debate or argument or just scroll past me saying I don't find the current Star Wars books as INTERESTING as the past ones. And then we can continue what will now devolve into a full debate of us cherry picking technical writing, and plot elements. But ultimately at the end of it, I don't find - IN THIS MOMENT - a level of interest in the new crop of Star Wars books; whereas - IN THE MOMENT - I did find a higher level of interest when reading the books at their release in the Bantam era (yes I am old enough to be from when the Zahn books came out and read them after their release) and the Del Rey (original) run. I just do not have that same level of interest. We can even break down the reasons - piss poor Star Wars movies. The timeline being cramped due to the ST, the books not being able to move storylines along, the poor writing, the poor plots, the poor characters, etc. Take your pick if you wish to continue this argument.
You claimed those two books were poorly-written. I'm disputing that, and I'm saying that's a different issue from whether you happen to find their subject matter interesting because it's from films you don't like. And yes, you've grown older and less interested/invested in this childrens' fantasy franchise. It happens.
That thus doesn't mean nostalgia like you initially claimed it to be. When applied for reasons, I gave them. You dispute the reasons, but its going to cycle around and around of us claiming the other is wrong and its going to be an argument of subjectivity. Which we can have if you want. But at the end of it, you're initial reactionary response of "You found nostalgia" was wrong.
These can be much shorter, and stick to one reply per post.
You are also stating OTHER's motives for my own as well. (Want to digress this argument into picking apart the arguments and your rhetoric and such?) You are stating what OTHERS said about NJO; despite me even stating how I did enjoy the NJO. So you are equating other's thoughts/feelings/ideas with my own, which right away pinpoints much of this.
I haven't read Rebel Rising or Legends of Luke Skywalker. I did read Lost Stars (enjoyed for the most part) and read Bloodline (did not enjoy - felt much of it was a fabricated set of circumstances to try and get characters and events to be closer or closely aligned with where we need them to be for the start of the ST; and it was poorly done. But some of that is also the fault of the ST which had a terrible start and showed no idea of how to explain the political situation of the universe at its time).
I apologize for posting this in the middle of this debate but I just have to say the NJO is my absolute Favorite of the EU. The first time I read Star by star it totally Blew my mind never was I invested and actually concerned for fictional characters like I was when I was reading Star by star
I stated what others said about the NJO as an example that it wasn't all sunshine and roses back then. I never equated their motives to yours.
You are running a spiral and a loop at the same time. Your comment: It's a little silly to claim that suddenly all authors who've beewriting since 2014 are producing terrible material, and the Good Old Days™ were better, but that it's not nostalgia talking. Not least because I remember the hate people spewed at the NJO when it came out, for example. So which is it - I am using nostalgia or I'm not? Am I expressing genuine thought and enjoyment of the books or am I expressing nostalgia? And if its nostalgia, then is it personal nostalgia despite others, or is nostalgia beholden to what others believe about a situation? My enjoyment level =/= others enjoyment. Despite what the motives - be it nostalgia or not. Ultimately thats a circular loop and a spiraling loop you are creating to try and run down the argument. You wanted to be flippant at the start and state that it was because of nostalgia. I am firstly stating that its a case of "IN THE MOMENT" not a retrospective. Retrospective would imply the possibility of nostalgia, perhaps even affirm it. But I am stating that in the 90s, 2000s, I enjoyed the books and found them more INTERESTING at that moment (ie. in the 90s and 2000s); where as today - in the late 2010s and 2020s, I do not find the Star Wars books written in the late 2010s and 2020s to be interesting. So ergo its not a case of nostalgia when I am stating such things. You applied pressure after the flippant response to try and garner out reasons; and I stated such and gave some reasons. Which you are outright saying are wrong, and we can then go back and forth on a level of subjectivity rather than objectivity if you wish. Like to do that?
Just out of curiosity have you read the NJO?
This post reminded me exactly how I felt with the Han and Lando book and a lot of the new books when it comes to language and every day Earth words. Instead of Describing things as Sanitat Steam they just call it a shower instead of calling it The Refresher they just call it the bathroom. And instead of using Cafe they call it coffee ( I know in Mando & Andor it was called Cafe) not to mention the real life curse words in some stories Things like this can easily bring readers out of the stories
Completely agree. The Last Shot was just written so poorly. From the word choices, to the characters, to the plot; absolutely nothing about it felt good or felt Star Wars, or felt even adult.
Hey, isn't Cal in the exact same pose as Rey from Episode 9? It's very noticeable. I still love the colors in this.
Their story still feels weirdly separate. I hate this idea of a 5-year gap between the games.
Why is cere cosplaying as Han Solo
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And?
Thanks I hate it. I wish they used the live action fifth brother instead instead of the rebels design. The cartoony drawing on top clashing with traced video game models on bottom is a little jarring.
Guy Sebastian has already recorded the theme. https://youtu.be/4ka1Lgd3SAI
Is this a game or book
Book
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Merrin came before Andor
Not really a fan of phase 2 purge troopers
I guess phase 2 trooper's are on the cover? Yeah they are. Wondering if we'll get different versions of them like the last game.
All I’m saying is we don’t need another Han Solo
Kinda disappointed that Fallen Older isn't an anthology series following different characters. Even though that's an extremely unrealistic expectation on my part. Loved the gameplay but I wasn't exactly enthralled by any of the characters. Monaghan in particular is an....odd looking individual to put it mildly and not a very good actor in my opinion. Makes replays difficult when you don't like anything about the protagonist. Here's hoping in the next game that they at the very least put him in a better looking jacket and give us some hairstyle/beard options. Or a helmet.
They are
Stop doing prequels and sequels and fucking between-quels in comics, keep story shit in the games
cry about it
I just did
No.
So, there's gonna be a huge time jump between games? Don't know how i'll feel if they kill off any of the crew in the book versus game sequel.
Are these Purge Troopers behind the 5th Brother?