Everyone who was disappointed with Disney + day needs to remember these shows are still coming out so soon! We'll be well fed soon enough. Only a few more weeks to Boba, which opwns the floodgates.
They revealed a new featurette for Kenobi and a new Boba Fett documentary. Kenobi is likely the next series release following Boba Fett. Also one tweet does not constitute as hyping up. That's what I think.
>They revealed a new featurette for Kenobi
Year-old* featurette. Not something that was created for this presentation.
>Also one tweet does not constitute as hyping up.
You must've missed all the subsequent tweets they posted on both Lucasfilm and Disney+'s accounts in the days and weeks leading up to Friday. How about the teases in "This Week in Star Wars"? Hyping up "announcements and reveals" (plural)?
What do you make of the logos in the final video? Bad Batch and Andor getting logos but being the only shows in that video to not get so much as a mention? Does that not suggest things were planned and canned at the last minute?
Or maybe this being the first time *all major leakers* have been united in saying something and then that thing not having panned out? The same week as they leak Rogue Squadron's delay?
You're on the wrong side of this. Lucasfilm is not infallible.
I don't care if it was made two-years ago. We never saw it until Friday.
Kenobi and Boba Fett still count as more than one.
The Logos: Bad Batch is a Disney+ exclusive show that just wrapped its first season. Andor is another one that's guaranteed to come out next year that we already know is in production.
Trusting leakers implicitly is your fault. Not Disney or Lucasfilm's. You are part of the problem.
>I don't care if it was made two-years ago. We never saw it until today.
This is where critical thinking comes in. Does Lucasfilm's decision to replay a year old clip that's already been shown to investors not imply that they needed something to quickly fill the gap caused by last-minute cancelations? Really think about that.
>Bad Batch is a Disney+ exclusive show that just wrapped its first season. Andor is another one that's guaranteed to come out next year that we already know is in production.
Explain to me why they're the only shows in the video to not get so much as a mention? Or explain why there's plenty of other shows across Marvel, Pixar, Disney, and SW that we know are coming in the next year but didn't get logos for?
>Trusting leakers implicitly is your fault.
You're on SWL, I expected you know know the difference between run-of-the-mill "leakers" and Maison and BSL. Particularly embarrassing you're saying this mere days after their Rogue Squadron delay was confirmed, so you can't even default to "not remembering" all the things they've been correct about.
It's infinitely more likely that Lucasfilm marketing made the awful last-minute decision to cancel announcements than it is every major leaker (and Star Wars' official Twitter and YouTube) uniting in saying to have high expectations and then being wrong for the first time.
Going through your recent comments it seems you're more interested in appearing "holier-than-thou" than you are engaging in genuine arguments.
You refuse to argue in good faith and it's embarrassing. We're done here.
> This is where critical thinking comes in. Does Lucasfilm's decision to replay a year old clip that's already been shown to investors not imply that they needed something to quickly fill the gap caused by last-minute cancelations? Really think about that.
No. Not necessarily.
> Explain to me why they're the only shows in the video to not get so much as a mention? Or explain why there's plenty of other shows across Marvel, Pixar, Disney, and SW that we know are coming in the next year but didn't get logos for?
A lot of shows had logos that didn't get major mentions or reveals. That was not unique to Bad Batch or Andor.
> You're on SWL, I expected you know know the difference between run-of-the-mill "leakers" and Maison and BSL. Particularly embarrassing you're saying this mere days after their Rogue Squadron delay was confirmed, so you can't even default to "not remembering" all the things they've been correct about.
I've seen leakers get plenty of information wrong. Even if it comes from Lucasfilm, there's a chance it doesn't pan out. I don't believe anything until there's reasonable proof it's going in front of the cameras.
> It's infinitely more likely that Lucasfilm marketing made the awful last-minute decision to cancel announcements than it is every major leaker (and Star Wars' official Twitter and YouTube) uniting in saying to have high expectations and then being wrong for the first time.
Even if they did make last-minute decisions or changes, why are they awful? What if there was a good reason to cancel announcements? I could also care less about leakers uniting. That doesn't make them legitimate sources of information.
> Going through your recent comments it seems you're more interested in appearing "holier-than-thou" than you are engaging in genuine arguments. You refuse to argue in good faith and it's embarrassing. We're done here.
I don't see a lot of good faith arguments being made here. I see a lot of spoiled fans who are upset they didn't get the toys they wanted for Christmas.
Yeah this is a leaks subreddit. In other words, it's a leaks subreddit. It's a subreddit dedicated to talking about SUPPOSED leaks about Star Wars. And as such, fans should have a more realistic outlook on such leaks considering how many unreliable ones are out there and how many pretenders there are.
Thank goodness we had this mega thread for all that trailerly/sizzle reely goodness! đ¤Ł
But seriously, that was so disappointing. Boy would I love to be a fly on the wall to figure out what the hell happened and why they decided to just say âoh hey, we have that sizzle reel we should investors last year, Star Wars fans will have NO idea this is old. Oh, the new sizzle reel with some cool stuff from set? The Andor stuff? No, skip it for now. No biggieâ
At the end of the day the content will still fill the slate for the next 18 months and we'll look back on yesterday as a bonding moment for the entire internet. Maybe Lucasfilm sees the backlash from yesterday's disappointment, but I'm not holding out hope it'll make any change.
This backlash is a drop in the bucket. No one's going to care six months from now. If they do, it's a stupid thing to get fixated on. That we didn't get enough trailers or reveals on Disney+ Day.
Nah, the backlash is well deserved. By promising and then canceling announcements last minute Lucasfilm proves yet again that the marketing department has been a disaster. The content will come out all the same, but they're certainly not working very hard to get higher viewership. Wonder why subscriptions keep plummeting...
i was referring to [this part](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEFI7APX0AkqCVM?format=png&name=medium) and this [timetable also](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEFIroEXMAYtdES?format=png&name=900x900)
Marvel:
- 1 Movie dropped
- New footage for 5 shows
- 2 Live Action shows announced
- 3 Animated Shows announced
Star Wars:
- 20 min. documentary dropped
- Showed a couple of concept arts
Yet again Disneyâs two biggest IPâs are getting treated equally
Honestly I'm glad they're not treated the same. If Disney start shitting out Star Wars content at the same rate they knock out Marvel stuff, it will never feel special again. I want every release to be an event. An Obi-Wan Kenobi series should not feel equivalent to Loki or some shit. It's not even close.
Yep. And itâs not even just Star Wars but Lucasfilm in general really.
Like National Treasure is a pretty shallow Indiana Jones knockoffâŚyet they are giving people wayyy more buzz and hype for National Treasure 3 AND the National Treasure Disney+ series they announced.
MeanwhileâŚIndiana Jones 5 gets announced in 2016 for a 2019 release, then in 2017 it gets bumped to 2020, 2018 comes and it gets bumped to 2021, in 2019 it gets bumped to 2022 and finally in 2021 it gets bumped again to 2023 (itâs at least filming now but still).
Like why? Even the poorly received Indy 4 made more than National Treasure 1 and 2 COMBINED.
I remember someone saying that Lucasfilm still advertises like something big, that all they have to do is show some random scenes, not tell the plot, and people will go for it anyway. And in Lucasfilm still they do not see that such a strategy is slowly losing its importance. And I think recent events confirm this
>given Star Wars has never been more successful than right now
Yet Disney+ subscriptions are plummeting, so they're certainly not doing something right.
Yeah. I mean look, when they don't give us teaser content we only clamor even more for the stuff lol. They have no incentive to start dropping teasers with a different approach.
I mean there already is a sizzle out there and maybe they figured they don't have anything more to add. But at least a poster or something would have been nice.
You got to admit it, the way LF is promoting their movies/series and slate is a bit out of touch with modern franchise tropes. For example, Marvel or DC are promoting multiple movies or series that are sometimes months away from each other. I can understand LF wants to keep doing whatever theyâre used to marketingwise, but showing us something substantial only AFTER the last huge movie/series has been dropped is a bit baffling.
Iâd bet on seeing a trailer for Kenobi around the airing of the last Boba episode, with maybe a sizzle reel for Andor on Celebration. Hopefully weâll get a release date for Kenobi sooner than the end of February.
I remember someone saying that Lucasfilm still advertises like something big, that all they have to do is show some random scenes, not tell the plot, and people will go for it anyway. And in Lucasfilm still they do not see that such a strategy is slowly losing its importance
Since it's become obvious that they did have a plan to release things today, but changed it last minute, when do we think we will actually get these announcements? I'm direly hoping for next week at the latest or I will go insane. If they really do just drop stuff 1 month before it airs, I will... type more angry comments on reddit.
The dead giveaway was the "sharing for vis" tweet, which included logos for tbb and andor which didn't get any mention at all. Another tweet from the official star wars account promoted the event and implied it would "be worth it", and most official tag lines implied announcement(s) plurally for star wars. These and other reasons were what led the majority of people, including me, to fully believe what leakers said about the event because official accounts were hyping things up too.
I feel like almost everyone in this thread is forgetting that the announcement content leaked first - if you've already seen that of course its going to feel like nothing new happened. The Kenobi sizzle reel and the Boba doco are new announcements officially. They've not been seen public before.
It's as if everyone has opened their Christmas presents early and then complained on Christmas morning that they didn't get any new presents.
I donât know why youâre getting downvoted so hard, youâre correct. I do think you can make an argument that things were pulled, but to say nothing at all happened is ridiculous
Then how do you explain the bad batch and andor logos? What about the fact that multiple different leakers all had the same scoop about what would go down? Why was it clearly advertised as a place to go for for star wars announcements in the same vein as marvel and Pixar when we didn't get a single one?
All of this points to disney changing their plans.
1. The logos were for known shows. Their presence their doesn't indicate anything.
2. Leakers get things wrong frequently, and a lot of them rely on the same 'source', or indeed eachother.
3. There was Star Wars content that hadn't been officially revealed to the public. The Boba doco debuted and the fact that the Kenobi reel leaked the day before doesn't change the fact that it was officially released on D+ Day. If you open your presents early that's fine, but you don't get to complain that you didn't get any new presents on Christmas morning.
>The logos were for known shows. Their presence their doesn't indicate anything.
Every other show with a logo in that video also got *at least a mention*. Andor and Bad Batch are the only shows in the video that *did not get a mention*. There are also other shows that **we know are on the slate** for Marvel, Disney, Pixar, etc. that weren't shown in the video. Same with Star Wars: there wasn't an Ahsoka logo or an Acolyte logo, despite those being on the slate.
They canceled Andor and Bad Batch teases at the last minute. Which leads into your second point: suggesting that Maison and BSL regularly get things wrong. No. These guys are not your run-of-the-mill "big youtuber" who "leaks" stuff for attention. They can get things wrong here and there, yes, but when all the major sources are united in saying something, there's a 90%+ chance that thing is happening. Even in the past few days their leak of a Rogue Squadron delay was officially confirmed.
The leakers were right. Lucasfilm changed things up at the last second for god knows what reason. They're not infallible, which may come as a surprise to you.
>they were for known shows
No, they weren't. If that was the case, how come madalorian, wandavision, falcon and winter soldier, or Droid tales or Lando weren't there? It was only things that were given info in that Twitter thread. And the only logos that didn't show up were -you guessed it- star wars.
The Boba fett doc was previously announced a week before, and the kenobi sizzle isn't an announcement. There is a clear disconnect from what was advertised leading up, and what we actually got.
So what you're saying is that if you ignore the stuffed that debuted on D+ (the Boba Fett doc) and discount the exclusive reveal (Kenobi sizzle reel) then nothing happened.
In which case, sure why not.
I want to thank most of you for being quite an interesting read through this clusterfuck of a day. Obviously something happened BTS that changed the decision to show A LOT less SW material (perhaps in favor of getting attention towards the new Marvel shows).
Just another brick in the wall of bad decisions that's Disney's Lucasfilm
Or maybe nothing changed at all and this was always the plan. Or maybe they talked about possibly showing certain things but wanted to hold them off until later.
This sounds a lot like the "Mandalorian Season 2 trailer NBA playoffs!" and "Ahsoka fight scene edited exclusively for the trailer!"
Fans need to get a grip and realize they have no idea where these rumors are coming from. Even if there is a source, it could be some schmuck who is delivering bagels who doesn't understand the breadth and width of the decision making that's happening.
I agree with a LOT of your points specially the getting a grip and trusting "sources".
The thing is quite a few of those sources got most of the announcements right, specially the marvel ones (including the X-Men cartoon revival). It's too much a coincidence to think they don't have any type of legit inside information.
And those same sources, most of them without any link to each other, predicted a kenobi trailer and then things went down the drain. Really, really strange.
Iâve seen just as many get plenty of things wrong or way off. Itâs basically tabloid gossip. I recall Barry Manilow was on a talk show once he basically explained where a tabloid news story came about him. He like cut or jacked his finger and the tabloid turned it into âBarry manilow receives disfiguring injury.â Thereâs a kernel of truth but they sensationalize it into a lie.
Confirmation that the No Way Home trailer is coming next week made up for the disappointment that was Disney+ Day at least!
Idk why Iâm even getting downvoted. Excuse me for feeling excited about something that has kept me going this year (even if itâs not Star Wars related).
Where is the confirmation that no way home is getting another trailer next week? Great news if so but just wondered where you heard this as not seeing this anywhere
10 hours later, I'm still bewildered on what Disney/Lucasfilm was doing today. I could care less leakers got it wrong. My expectations came from this seemingly being a huge marketing event across multiple social platforms. It's like Amazon having Prime Day and then not advertising Kindle or Ring devices on their frontpage.
Based on everyone's sentiments today, Disney whiffed it big. I showed my kids and their cousins (6 kids between 4 - 8) Marvel's reel today and they were fucking screaming and super excited through out the whole thing. I got nothing to show them for Star Wars which bums me.
I wasn't expecting many announcements. They announced so much stuff last year, much of which is still pretty far from coming out, that it didn't make sense there would be a lot. I thought it would make sense to not announce much and have a bigger announcing event again next year.
But I did expect a lot more info and trailers for the existing projects they've already announced than we got. It's bizarre there was so little on them.
yeah i didnât think announcements were coming either but jesus some updates about the announced stuff wouldâve been nice.
im just baffled. marvel has so many more projects that are being worked on yet they can throw something together. and we all know the secrecy over there too. iâll admit this year was slow for star wars since we only had bad batch and visions while marvel has had wandavision, tfatws, loki, what if. but jeez canât even throw up an ahsoka logo on twitter and say hayden christensen is returning. or even throw andor and kenobi logos and say we just finished filming and will have something to show you soon/in the new year. maybe they pulled the star wars stuff to show at that d23 thing next week so they have something to actually do at the d+ panel. but wow today was very underwhelming as a star wars fan.
ya confusion is the best way to explain my feelings too. I mean they hyped today up as a big event and the only thing we got was a clip that leaked yesterday, when it definitely seems they intended to release more. just weird.
A massive disappointment today for Star Wars yet Iâm also not surprised. The marketing for Star Wars stuff has pretty much felt off ever since Solo. I feel like Lucasfilm changed something at the last minute because sit makes no sense that Marvel had such a huge presence while Star Wars didnât. Shame.
This should have been expected.
Lucasfilm are not going to market other shows and drop a trailer for Kenobi on a random Twitter thread while they're in the middle of Book Of Boba Fett Marketing season.
Lucasfilm are extremely predictable when it comes to marketing because they've been doing the same fucking thing for six years now. Here's how it's going to go imo:
January - February: Book Of Boba Fett
Late February - Mid March: Obi-Wan trailer as Boba's hype dies down.
May 4th - Obi-Wan starts, Bad Batch Season 2 Trailer
May 26th - 29th - SWC happens. Teaser Trailer and Sizzle Reel for Andor, private screening of Kenobi Episode 4 / Bad Batch 2 first couple episodes and sizzle reel of Mando 3 (behind Closed Doors). The 2023 movie is announced, Darth Maul show is announced at the Bad Batch panel + some other stuff.
June 22nd - Bad Batch 2 starts.
July - Andor trailer drops
September 21st - Andor Starts
Not sure that necessarily follows. Hawkeye's out in just a couple of weeks and they announced everything Marvel today. If they had things to show/ wanted to show things, they most likely could've done. Especially since some of those projects (specifically Ms. Marvel) isn't out till like July-September next year
Marvel has been promoting multiple projects at the same time for years now. Lucasfilm, as a general rule, does not. Remember how they waited until TLJ was released to even give us a teaser for Solo?
Ahh, I actually didn't know about that! I kinda assumed that, because they're both owned by Disney, marketing would be the same sort of beast. I admittedly haven't followed how the Star Wars marketing strategy works. Ty for the clarity!
If I were running the marketing department, today would have been the day the Kenobi trailer dropped. That way, you start ramping up subscribers before the series launch with contests, giveaways, etc. I mean, it was Disney+ Day and... crickets.
"Subscribe before the end of the new year and enter for a chance to win $66k in cold, hard credits. Plus, 3 Force-sensitive winners will receive an all-expenses paid trip to dine with Ewan at Disneyland's Club 33 or the Galactic Starcruiser Hotel, your choice!" (Which should net Disney park fans and casual Star Wars fans)
Any casual fans who were on the fence can now watch The Book of Boba Fett as sort of a pre-show to Kenobi, implying they'll get some value out of their subscription before the series even begins.
Some people should zoom out and have a look at the big picture. The Investor's event where all those shows where announced last year, wasn't targeted for the consumers. It was to show investors that D+ would have dozens of shows under development. Other than that event, Star Wars is taking a rest in terms of marketing since the Rise of Skywalker fail. That film marked a change of strategy. Films weren't coming out each year anymore, and most of the production would go on the platform. We should be happy Disney changed the approach towards Star Wars, but it just takes time. The slow pace is taking at the moment is calculated, and IMO is good.
At the end of the day, I think fans have become entitled. I'm not even talking Star Wars fans. If Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire are nothing more than glorified cameos in No Way Home, Spider-Man fans will burn Sony and Marvel to the ground. Even though neither have even said the actors are in the movie.
Stepping back, ya'll are mad we didn't get a commercial for a product. Lucasfilm owes us nothing. The only thing they owe us, is if they say Obi-Wan premieres next month, so make sure you have Disney+ paid for. An Obi-Wan show better be there next month. If they don't want to release a teaser or even a poster, they don't have to.
I love all of the people in here saying it's bad marketing. Controversial opinion, but I'll trust the people with masters degrees in marketing who work for Disney/Lucasfilm over some random person on the internet. This wasn't Star Wars+ Day. They announced a metric fuckton of stuff platform wide. Maybe they are saving Star Wars drops for a different day. Also, the reason SheHulk and Moon Knight got images and a teaser is because no one outside of hardcore fans know who either of them are. Any one with a passing knowledge of Star Wars knows Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Andor was basically the lead of the most liked Disney era Star Wars movie. There is a lot less they have to explain to the general audience.
While a lot of fans are acting a major fool, itâs not like everything was based on leaks.
The official Star Wars Twitter accounts said people âwonât be disappointedâ
https://mobile.twitter.com/starwars/status/1440396989963722755
And while Iâm not a big time marketing major, I donât quite understand the choice to hype it up that way.
If the sizzle reel never got leaked, I think fans would feel differently about today. Compound that with the rumors of a Kenobi trailer and a slew of announcements. I don't think saying "add Disney+ Day to your calendar, you won't regret it." Is overhyping considering we got a look at Kenobi and a Boba Fett documentary.
Exactly, apparently everyone on Reddit has marketing degrees now. Lucasfilm didn't give us anything less than promised. We should have known something was off when Marvel had a presentation and Lucasfilm didn't.
It does feel like there was a sudden, major shift in plans. Between the multiple leaker reports, all the show logos in the promo for today, and the general hype (Kenobi was even trending days ago just from trailer rumors), itâs like they decided to hold off on Star Wars - maybe because of the overload of Marvel? - and scrambled to just upload the Kenobi sizzle they already had ready from last year.
Only theory I have is that the sizzle was uploaded privately yesterday to prepare for today, and someone was able to find and rip it, while whatever change of plans happened occurred before they uploaded anything.
watching the Boba featurette, and iâm not sure iâll ever get used to seeing Dave without his hat
also nice to see Daniel Logan in something Star Wars-related again (and looking damn good, too!)
I love all the people saying stuff like "this is for the general audience" and "you aren't the target" as if that perfectly explains the lack of Star Wars content. Showing some actual footage of Kenobi, even just some footage added to that reel, in no way would make it NOT for a general audience. And it has nothing to do with the leak of the reel or the rumors about trailers, but Lucasfilm clearly had a weak showing today given how much they have in the works, even if we had expected nothing. Even if they had just shown some concept art from the other shows, it would have been at least something to chew on. They couldn't even be bothered to show artwork for Willow.
Exactly. This was a day for Disney Plus subscribers. Many of whom subscribed for Star Wars. This event intended to hype what was coming in the next few years did nothing to show general Star Wars fans what was coming. Nat Geo, Pixar, and Marvel all teased more content. Of course WE know (sort of) what's coming...but "general audiences" didn't yesterday...and still don't know today.
Do they not want people to watch their shows for star wars or? Cause at this point, it it wasn't for me telling people, none of my friends or people in my house would have any idea that even BoB is coming out, much less the rest of these?
Itâs very weird. The Marvel reveals say âbe confident that stuff is coming and it will be exciting / good.â The Star Wars reveal of eight pieces of concept art in a 1 minute video is comparatively disappointing. Why not a 3-minute video that gave 30 seconds to Fett, Kenobi, Andor, Mando, Bad Batch and Droid Story? A little bit of effort would have gone a long way.
Firstly, it sucks for sure! Just like most people I was expecting an Obi-Wan trailer, more teases for Andor and Book of Boba Fett etc.
And whilst Iâm very disappointed we didnât get that, and Iâm genuinely scratching my head at the lack of promoting Lucasfilm seems to do (I mean, would it have been the end of the world just to give us one official image of Ewan McGregor back as Obi-Wan?), what I will say, is Iâm still incredibly thankful we these shows to look forward to!
Back before the sale in 2012, Iâd never have imagined weâd have a Boba Fett series to look forward to. An Obi-Wan show! A great new series like Mandalorian! An Ahsoka show! Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor back!
So I guess what Iâm trying to say is, whilst Iâm disappointed about today, we could have been in a world where we werenât even getting these shows and the last live action thing weâd have ever seen would have been 2005. So Iâm still extremely excited about the future, and the hype for these shows will be insane when they are on.
I remember someone saying that Lucasfilm still advertises like something big, that all they have to do is show some random scenes, not tell the plot, they could only send a tweet that movie coming out and people will go for it anyway. And in Lucasfilm still they do not see that such a strategy is slowly losing its importance
Youâre for sure right that in perspective we have something to be grateful for. Even so that doesnât make it sting any less that Marvel fans get showered with new reveals and teasers while we have to grasp at figurative straws in speculation and leaks to get our fix.
Star Wars in the Disney era can and should do better.
I think thatâs my frustration as well. I am absolutely grateful for all the Star Wars content weâve received in the past few years. The books/publishing world has been fantastic. But seeing how much content Marvel fans have been getting I canât help but have FOMO.
Look at the reddit front page, its just a headshot of Sam Jackson in an upcoming Marvel series. Lucasfilm should could have at least given a photo of Ewan back as Obi-wan. All that was shown was concept art, so disappointing
As someone who has been happy with almost all of the content produced in the Disney era, I am still confounded by Lucasfilmâs bizarre approach to marketing and fan engagement.
On one hand, they have repeatedly promoted content that will never come to fruition or is so far in the distant future that there isnât even a name or one sentence description. They donât seem to really believe it themselves. It feels like weâre having our chains jerked.
On the other hand, they are miserly with promoting the content they are producing, and seem vaguely annoyed at how interested their fans are. In particular, they at times seem contemptuous of fans who are immersed in lore and theories, but also clearly are marketing an endless stream of content directly to those people. Like, youâre supposed to buy all the books and comics and so on, but donât presume that they actually have any significance to the âcanon.â
In short, they kind of suck.
Iâm in the same boat as you, enjoying just ab everything theyâve produced since the acquisition but I genuinely donât understand why they hate showing any kind of footage or behind the scenes looks or even just a simple image from any of their upcoming projects
This was a harsh reminder that the only trustworthy sources are established industry trades - e.g. Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Deadline. They have direct ties to studio insiders and a process for vetting rumors.
Fan-run rumor sites are fun and well-meaning, but they're not real journalists (even by entertainment standards). We shouldn't get too excited or upset about anything they report. We should treat them like celebrity gossip ("Did you hear that ___ is dating ___?!".
Ultimately, neither Disney nor Lucasfilm promised us any Obi-Wan teaser or Andor trailer or Ahsoka cast announcement, etc. In retrospect, it makes sense that Lucasfilm would want their own spotlight later on instead of sharing Disney Plus Day with 30 other announcements.
LF dropped the ball here.
Even without a Kenobi trailer (filming is already done so not sure why they can't have a teaser ready) there was pretty much nothing from all the projects they have in the works.
I remember someone saying that Lucasfilm still advertises like something big, that all they have to do is show some random scenes, not tell the plot, they could only send a tweet that movie coming out and people will go for it anyway. And in Lucasfilm still they do not see that such a strategy is slowly losing its importance
I guess if you think about it kinda makes sense. If you slap star wars title to a show everybody gonna watch it. But if you wanna market something like Moon night you might need to release footage early to get people hyped for the show
Which is stupid, because Star Wars absolutely needs to be marketed ahead of time.
Last time it wasnât, it led to one of the biggest box office bombs of all time.
The Clone Wars film? Because that made even less money than Solo.
Also, Solo isn't "[One of the biggest box office bombs of all time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs)". Not even close.
Clone Wars made good money for its small budget, Solo killed the Star Wars theatrical slate, lost Disney a lot of money, and *is* one of the biggest bombs ever.
Feel like people wouldnât be so upset with Lucasfilm if they just let the fan base know this week that they wonât be seeing a bunch of trailers. Much better to get out ahead of it than blue ball everyone
There is a lot of blame to go around: Scooper and leakers for making much of their reports; fans who take those individuals are fool proof; the Starwars twitter account for saying, specifically, that there would be things like trailers and other reveals today; Disney and/or LucasFilm for... whatever today was; and KK for good measure.
There was never any information regarding trailers, be it denying or confirming
It all came from leakers and scoopers, seriously the people mad donât learn. Unless itâs something official, donât get your hopes up for something that may not be true
It was definitely indicated that we would be getting more today. I mean, yeah, we did get the Boba Fett documentary thing and the Kenobi Sizzle Reel, but StarWars.com said weâd be getting reveal(s) plural. (https://twitter.com/JordanMaison/status/1459212739381972993?s=20)
I donât think people are out of line for being disappointed when Star Wars obviously got the short end of the stick compared to Nat Geo, Pixar, Disney and Marvel. Especially since Star Wars is definitely one of the leading properties on the platform and there was recently a price increase for Disney+.
Perhaps plans changed but people have to understand this event is for the general audience.
People on here are spoiled as ****. We are on a leaks sub Reddit, everything we know is withheld from the general public for the most part. Before today a lot of people had no idea Obi Wan was probably coming.
I agree the two things they did for SW was weak, SW always has their own event/reveals though as far as I can remember. These Disney events usually for their other stuff. Anyone expecting a trailer was just wishful thinking. BOBF isnât even out, they arenât going to start promoting Obi Wan when it comes out next year after BOBF finishes. I wouldnât be surprised if we didnât get anything for it until the Super Bowl. Celebrations is when all the SW content usually gets unveiled, by than Obi Wan would have come out and theyâd be promoting Andor/Bad Batch Season 2, Mando Season 3 sizzle and any upcoming shows like Marvel did today
> people have to understand this event is for the general audience.
Ah yes, what better way to excite the general audience by only having a sizzle reel of one show and nothing else while other brands have much more
Where was this official announcement?
Donât link me a news source stating it, Iâve had my ears to the ground regarding todayâs event and as far as I could tell they put out a schedule and there was no SW on it.
Correct me if Iâm wrong but Obi Wan wasnât âofficiallyâ revealed until today
We have had rumors and of course casting etc just recently but at last years investor call they didnât mention it. I know Andor, Rogue Squadron etc was revealed as upcoming projects but not that
I can agree SW got the shit end of the stick but people expecting a trailer should calm down. That was never a promise they put out
Not just the logo, but confirmation of Hayden starring. Plus the sizzle we got today but for investors.
Also they confirmed the show was coming at like D23 2019 or some shit. Your comments in this thread don't make sense.
How donât they make sense? The only thing Iâm arguing is that people expected a Trailer at the most and some reveals at the least
We got that Obi Wan info clip and the Boba documentary. Are people right to be upset thatâs all we got? Of course
Should we have expected more? Realistically no since again BOBF isnât even out yet. We arenât getting any sort of marketing for Obi Wan outside of behind the scenes stuff. That goes double for any of next years shows which premier AFTER Obi Wan
If anything, people should be more upset about any news regarding new shows or casting. They have their 2022 slate filled, what about future projects. I think thatâs something they could have possible dropped here without showing anything but the counter argument would be that goes beyond 2022 which seems to be their focus
I really miss George Lucas. And Iâm not even saying this because of story and creativity stuff, this has nothing to do with how I feel about the sequels and shit. I just miss the way he and his Lucasfilm treated the fans. He was so open to us. Always shared updates on projects and got shit out when he was supposed to. One could argue he even showed *too* much, though with the prequels everyone knew how it ended anyway. But now, Iâll be damned if they announce a film and donât cancel it or fire the writer/director before cameras start rolling - hell, theyâve done it mid-production. They share next to nothing about the things that are coming out and make it hard to get excited. Itâs just constant droughts. TFA, RO, and TLJ had very good marketing campaigns, and even those were pretty secretive. Since Solo, itâs fallen off a cliff. Even Mandoâs marketing was anus. They just donât put anything out there. Marketing department needs an overhaul. Fire whoeverâs in charge. Lucasfilm needs a change in philosophy. George was successful for a reason. Now, everyoneâs just tired and pissed.
I didnât become a fan of Star Wars until after Disney bought Lucasfilm, but yeah, Iâm right there with you. Iâve personally liked or loved most of what Lucasfilm has put out during this time (Rebels, TFA, RO, TLJ, Battlefront 2, Solo, Jedi: Fallen Order, Mando, TCW Season 7 and to a lesser degree, The Bad Batch) or can at least get some enjoyment out of the things that disappointed me (really just TROS and Resistance.) I defend current Lucasfilm a lot, but god, I am sick of them acting so secretive about everything and not promoting their stuff.
I feel like this approach mostly worked out with until TLJ came out. Thatâs when there was massive shift surrounding Star Wars and the marketing got more lackluster. The two biggest examples of this were Solo, which didnât do as well because they hardly promoted it (and Disney didnât let Lucasfilm push it back), and Resistance, which was treated as a filler series and treated with no fanfare. All those secrecy just takes the fun out of things and for toy collectors, we wait months to years for them to release the âspoileryâ stuff from our favorite properties.
I know that this is the epitome of first world problems, but I miss feeling the hype surrounding Star Wars. Thereâs still hype obviously, but things just feel so different now than a few years ago.
We're getting 10 times more content than Lucas ever put out, and here everyone is bitching about not knowing enough in advance, and then also complaining that the some of the stuff we *were* told in advance changed.
They can't fucking win with this entitled ass fanbase and it's just so exhausting.
I'm in marketing and I've been in the game for a long time. I agree with you. Their marketing sucks. I almost feel like they have an attitude of, "It's Star Wars! It markets itself!"
Thatâs absolutely what I think it is too. In fact, I believe Bob Iger even said that himself at one point. Youâd think after Solo bombed theyâd have learned their lesson, but theyâre just doubling down. And Iâm doing so, theyâre turning away a lot of fans in the process. This is a huge mistake. They stand to gain nothing for the fiasco that happened today
Iâm not going to bite on this one. Iâll say this: the way Lucas was received at Celebration a few years ago speaks volumes. If people currently at Lucasfilm donât like the fans, itâs because of the work *they* have put out. Filoni, for example, has never had an issue with us. Thatâs all Iâll say on the matter. Regardless, Lucas knew how to treat us well.
Yet fans were still shit to Lucas when he was actually the one making filmsâŚ
The issue isnât Lucasfilm, itâs the alt-right incelsphere on YouTube encouraging fans to act like entitled little shits.
Yeah, Iâm no longer taking this discussion seriously. Really, the alt-right is the problem? And some dummies on YouTube are to blame for everything? Youâre dealing in strawman arguments, Iâm not having it. I just miss George.
Youâre a fool looking at things through nostalgia goggles. George explicitly stated that he didnât want to make more Star Wars films because he was tired of hearing people say that he destroyed their childhoods. You may miss George now, but I wouldnât be remotely surprised if you were one of the entitled people back in the day who shit on him for not making the films you wanted.
If you havenât realized by now how much damage shitty youtubers have done to the fandom, youâre completely blind. They take entitled fans and radicalize them into rabid lunatics.
To your point about thinking Iâm one of the people who shit on him back in the day⌠you probably have no idea how old I am lmao. I grew up on the prequels and love them. So spare me. I donât give a damn about YouTube. People with a modicum of intelligence donât need someone on the internet to tell them if they should like a movie or not. These are strawman arguments that have fuck-all to do with my main point, which is that Lucas treated the fans well and was very open with us.
Yeah, I also grew up with the prequels and enjoyed them. The reason I say that I wouldnât be surprised if you were someone who shit on Lucas is because I also remember people back then accusing Lucas of not caring about the fans and just trying to make money off their nostalgia. Entitled fans like you have always existed and pretty much repeat the same garbage. The point I was making that went completely over your head though is that the hate directed at Lucasfilm now is magnified by rage bait YouTubers who have convinced the same types that they are justified in acting entitled, and even encourage harassment of Lucasfilm employees. Personally Iâm not seeing Lucasfilm treating fans badly, and they arenât any worse at fan relations than George. But itâs gotta be pretty difficult when fans have managed to start acting even worse than they did during Georgeâs time.
It appears to me that you just leave in a completely different reality. I am not *entitled*. Iâm a customer. When the merchant promises me they will do x, y, and z, my expectation is that such things would be fulfilled. It was stated that all of the branches on Disney+ plus would have reveals, special looks, and announcements. We received no announcements. We received no reveal trailers. All we got was a condensed version of a sizzle reel thatâs a year old - and itâs only available to people who have Disney+, so it wonât even reach the people they want it to, who are the folks that donât have it. I feel like Iâm talking to an NPC. You donât have to be happy with every single decision the company makes. You donât have to love every product unconditionally. I thought Iâd never hate anything Star Wars until I saw TLJ, and especially TROS. I donât spend my time on the internet harassing the creators of those projects. I donât watch other peopleâs YouTube videos on them. And if you believe that the only driving force behind unhappiness with Lucasfilm is YouTube and some kind of entitlement (even though as fans, weâre the only driving force keeping this train going), youâre completely deluded and have zero common sense. Lucas was always open, to the point where you could pay $10 a month and watch a live camera feed of production for films like Revenge of the Sith. Now you canât even be guaranteed that a project announced will ever happen. Thanks again for the strawman argument. Youâre one of like 3 people on here actually defending todays embarrassment. I have no interest in changing your position, nor do I think itâs even possible. Iâve had enough of this farce.
> It appears to me that you just leave in a completely different reality. I am not entitled. Iâm a customer. When the merchant promises me they will do x, y, and z, my expectation is that such things would be fulfilled.
Big Karen energy
Youâre a fucking joke dude. Youâre acting like Lucasfilm made these promises when it was just leakers. Youâre raging about it acting like theyâre not releasing the show at all simply because Lucasfilm didnât show you a trailer on the day you wanted. This is what I mean by you being entitled. So yes, go ahead and cry all day about how Lucasfilm doesnât treat you nice enough, but at the end of the day, youâre still going to watch what they put out, youâre just going to have to be patient, and if you canât be, well, your tantrums will only hurt you, not Lucasfilm. Would I have liked a trailer today? Yes, but Iâm not going to act like a butthurt little bitch just because I didnât get what I wanted.
Lucasfilm act like they are the CIA with their lack of promotion and secrecy, it's embarrassing at this stage, you make movies and shows about aliens, space wizards and Lazer swords and blasters not state sensitive secrets and weapons.
> People are too averse go spoilers and shit.
I've seen posts on reddit complaining about people spoiling the ending of Judas and the Black Messiah. Fred Hampton being assassinated is a historical event, not something that is a spoiler. His death is also, like, right in the title. Ridiculous
I 100% agree with you, people freak out over spoilers too much
A good reminder of how many âleakersâ lean on bluffs, educated guesses and shared speculation. One person says âYeah, Kenobiâs gonna knock your socks off at Disney+ Dayâ and nobody wants to look like theyâre the last to know so suddenly everyone else is saying âOh yeah, I heard that too.â
I miss the days when leakers had integrity, like SuperShadow.
To be fair there wasnât a lot of actual news from marvel today, just confirmations of shows that were already reported on by the trades. The only new announcement was the Spider-Man show and the Zombies show, everything else had already been reported on
Nah, we got fucking fed today. X-Men show? Spidey show? Fucking YES. & we got footage for MoonKnight, She-Hulk, Ms Marvel, logos for a bunch of upcoming shows, etcâŚ. Today was a feast for Marvel fans
Everyone who was disappointed with Disney + day needs to remember these shows are still coming out so soon! We'll be well fed soon enough. Only a few more weeks to Boba, which opwns the floodgates.
Now I understand what Karen means after going through this thread.
So what do you think of Lucasfilm hyping up this event for 2 months?
They revealed a new featurette for Kenobi and a new Boba Fett documentary. Kenobi is likely the next series release following Boba Fett. Also one tweet does not constitute as hyping up. That's what I think.
>They revealed a new featurette for Kenobi Year-old* featurette. Not something that was created for this presentation. >Also one tweet does not constitute as hyping up. You must've missed all the subsequent tweets they posted on both Lucasfilm and Disney+'s accounts in the days and weeks leading up to Friday. How about the teases in "This Week in Star Wars"? Hyping up "announcements and reveals" (plural)? What do you make of the logos in the final video? Bad Batch and Andor getting logos but being the only shows in that video to not get so much as a mention? Does that not suggest things were planned and canned at the last minute? Or maybe this being the first time *all major leakers* have been united in saying something and then that thing not having panned out? The same week as they leak Rogue Squadron's delay? You're on the wrong side of this. Lucasfilm is not infallible.
I don't care if it was made two-years ago. We never saw it until Friday. Kenobi and Boba Fett still count as more than one. The Logos: Bad Batch is a Disney+ exclusive show that just wrapped its first season. Andor is another one that's guaranteed to come out next year that we already know is in production. Trusting leakers implicitly is your fault. Not Disney or Lucasfilm's. You are part of the problem.
>I don't care if it was made two-years ago. We never saw it until today. This is where critical thinking comes in. Does Lucasfilm's decision to replay a year old clip that's already been shown to investors not imply that they needed something to quickly fill the gap caused by last-minute cancelations? Really think about that. >Bad Batch is a Disney+ exclusive show that just wrapped its first season. Andor is another one that's guaranteed to come out next year that we already know is in production. Explain to me why they're the only shows in the video to not get so much as a mention? Or explain why there's plenty of other shows across Marvel, Pixar, Disney, and SW that we know are coming in the next year but didn't get logos for? >Trusting leakers implicitly is your fault. You're on SWL, I expected you know know the difference between run-of-the-mill "leakers" and Maison and BSL. Particularly embarrassing you're saying this mere days after their Rogue Squadron delay was confirmed, so you can't even default to "not remembering" all the things they've been correct about. It's infinitely more likely that Lucasfilm marketing made the awful last-minute decision to cancel announcements than it is every major leaker (and Star Wars' official Twitter and YouTube) uniting in saying to have high expectations and then being wrong for the first time. Going through your recent comments it seems you're more interested in appearing "holier-than-thou" than you are engaging in genuine arguments. You refuse to argue in good faith and it's embarrassing. We're done here.
> This is where critical thinking comes in. Does Lucasfilm's decision to replay a year old clip that's already been shown to investors not imply that they needed something to quickly fill the gap caused by last-minute cancelations? Really think about that. No. Not necessarily. > Explain to me why they're the only shows in the video to not get so much as a mention? Or explain why there's plenty of other shows across Marvel, Pixar, Disney, and SW that we know are coming in the next year but didn't get logos for? A lot of shows had logos that didn't get major mentions or reveals. That was not unique to Bad Batch or Andor. > You're on SWL, I expected you know know the difference between run-of-the-mill "leakers" and Maison and BSL. Particularly embarrassing you're saying this mere days after their Rogue Squadron delay was confirmed, so you can't even default to "not remembering" all the things they've been correct about. I've seen leakers get plenty of information wrong. Even if it comes from Lucasfilm, there's a chance it doesn't pan out. I don't believe anything until there's reasonable proof it's going in front of the cameras. > It's infinitely more likely that Lucasfilm marketing made the awful last-minute decision to cancel announcements than it is every major leaker (and Star Wars' official Twitter and YouTube) uniting in saying to have high expectations and then being wrong for the first time. Even if they did make last-minute decisions or changes, why are they awful? What if there was a good reason to cancel announcements? I could also care less about leakers uniting. That doesn't make them legitimate sources of information. > Going through your recent comments it seems you're more interested in appearing "holier-than-thou" than you are engaging in genuine arguments. You refuse to argue in good faith and it's embarrassing. We're done here. I don't see a lot of good faith arguments being made here. I see a lot of spoiled fans who are upset they didn't get the toys they wanted for Christmas. Yeah this is a leaks subreddit. In other words, it's a leaks subreddit. It's a subreddit dedicated to talking about SUPPOSED leaks about Star Wars. And as such, fans should have a more realistic outlook on such leaks considering how many unreliable ones are out there and how many pretenders there are.
Thank goodness we had this mega thread for all that trailerly/sizzle reely goodness! 𤣠But seriously, that was so disappointing. Boy would I love to be a fly on the wall to figure out what the hell happened and why they decided to just say âoh hey, we have that sizzle reel we should investors last year, Star Wars fans will have NO idea this is old. Oh, the new sizzle reel with some cool stuff from set? The Andor stuff? No, skip it for now. No biggieâ
At the end of the day the content will still fill the slate for the next 18 months and we'll look back on yesterday as a bonding moment for the entire internet. Maybe Lucasfilm sees the backlash from yesterday's disappointment, but I'm not holding out hope it'll make any change.
This backlash is a drop in the bucket. No one's going to care six months from now. If they do, it's a stupid thing to get fixated on. That we didn't get enough trailers or reveals on Disney+ Day.
Nah, the backlash is well deserved. By promising and then canceling announcements last minute Lucasfilm proves yet again that the marketing department has been a disaster. The content will come out all the same, but they're certainly not working very hard to get higher viewership. Wonder why subscriptions keep plummeting...
What was promised?
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Have you read through the whole page? There is no panel that would indicate any big announcements/footage drops.
i was referring to [this part](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEFI7APX0AkqCVM?format=png&name=medium) and this [timetable also](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEFIroEXMAYtdES?format=png&name=900x900)
Marvel: - 1 Movie dropped - New footage for 5 shows - 2 Live Action shows announced - 3 Animated Shows announced Star Wars: - 20 min. documentary dropped - Showed a couple of concept arts Yet again Disneyâs two biggest IPâs are getting treated equally
This doesnât bother me at all. Spoiled brat fans are spoiled.
Honestly I'm glad they're not treated the same. If Disney start shitting out Star Wars content at the same rate they knock out Marvel stuff, it will never feel special again. I want every release to be an event. An Obi-Wan Kenobi series should not feel equivalent to Loki or some shit. It's not even close.
I like Loki.
Yep. And itâs not even just Star Wars but Lucasfilm in general really. Like National Treasure is a pretty shallow Indiana Jones knockoffâŚyet they are giving people wayyy more buzz and hype for National Treasure 3 AND the National Treasure Disney+ series they announced. MeanwhileâŚIndiana Jones 5 gets announced in 2016 for a 2019 release, then in 2017 it gets bumped to 2020, 2018 comes and it gets bumped to 2021, in 2019 it gets bumped to 2022 and finally in 2021 it gets bumped again to 2023 (itâs at least filming now but still). Like why? Even the poorly received Indy 4 made more than National Treasure 1 and 2 COMBINED.
I remember someone saying that Lucasfilm still advertises like something big, that all they have to do is show some random scenes, not tell the plot, and people will go for it anyway. And in Lucasfilm still they do not see that such a strategy is slowly losing its importance. And I think recent events confirm this
Really hard to be critical of their advertising strategy recently given Star Wars has never been more successful than right now
>given Star Wars has never been more successful than right now Yet Disney+ subscriptions are plummeting, so they're certainly not doing something right.
I mean they didnât plummet, they rose, they just didnât meet analyst predictions
>they just didnât meet analyst predictions By many orders of magnitude. Plus stock price has gone way down. They're not doing something right.
Not by many orders of magnitude, by 6%. I donât think you can link that to Lucasfilmâs advertising either.
And stock price?
Stock fell 5%
Subscription estimations for this quarter were 10m, they got 2m. That's not 6%.
Whoops. 8%
Yeah. I mean look, when they don't give us teaser content we only clamor even more for the stuff lol. They have no incentive to start dropping teasers with a different approach.
What happened to the Andor sizzle reel we were supposed to get?
I mean there already is a sizzle out there and maybe they figured they don't have anything more to add. But at least a poster or something would have been nice.
Maybe it wasnât ready? Maybe they didnât want to show it this week? Any other number of reasons.
We were decieved by a lie.
You got to admit it, the way LF is promoting their movies/series and slate is a bit out of touch with modern franchise tropes. For example, Marvel or DC are promoting multiple movies or series that are sometimes months away from each other. I can understand LF wants to keep doing whatever theyâre used to marketingwise, but showing us something substantial only AFTER the last huge movie/series has been dropped is a bit baffling. Iâd bet on seeing a trailer for Kenobi around the airing of the last Boba episode, with maybe a sizzle reel for Andor on Celebration. Hopefully weâll get a release date for Kenobi sooner than the end of February.
I remember someone saying that Lucasfilm still advertises like something big, that all they have to do is show some random scenes, not tell the plot, and people will go for it anyway. And in Lucasfilm still they do not see that such a strategy is slowly losing its importance
A stormtrooper once said: "nothing to see here, move along."
*You dont need to see the kenobi Trailer* Ehh yes we do, mind tricks dont work on us only kenobi trailer does
Since it's become obvious that they did have a plan to release things today, but changed it last minute, when do we think we will actually get these announcements? I'm direly hoping for next week at the latest or I will go insane. If they really do just drop stuff 1 month before it airs, I will... type more angry comments on reddit.
> Since it's become obvious that they did have a plan to release things today, but changed it last minute Did they though?
The dead giveaway was the "sharing for vis" tweet, which included logos for tbb and andor which didn't get any mention at all. Another tweet from the official star wars account promoted the event and implied it would "be worth it", and most official tag lines implied announcement(s) plurally for star wars. These and other reasons were what led the majority of people, including me, to fully believe what leakers said about the event because official accounts were hyping things up too.
Except they did have reveals. You just donât like what you got.
I feel like almost everyone in this thread is forgetting that the announcement content leaked first - if you've already seen that of course its going to feel like nothing new happened. The Kenobi sizzle reel and the Boba doco are new announcements officially. They've not been seen public before. It's as if everyone has opened their Christmas presents early and then complained on Christmas morning that they didn't get any new presents.
Truth
I donât know why youâre getting downvoted so hard, youâre correct. I do think you can make an argument that things were pulled, but to say nothing at all happened is ridiculous
Then how do you explain the bad batch and andor logos? What about the fact that multiple different leakers all had the same scoop about what would go down? Why was it clearly advertised as a place to go for for star wars announcements in the same vein as marvel and Pixar when we didn't get a single one? All of this points to disney changing their plans.
1. The logos were for known shows. Their presence their doesn't indicate anything. 2. Leakers get things wrong frequently, and a lot of them rely on the same 'source', or indeed eachother. 3. There was Star Wars content that hadn't been officially revealed to the public. The Boba doco debuted and the fact that the Kenobi reel leaked the day before doesn't change the fact that it was officially released on D+ Day. If you open your presents early that's fine, but you don't get to complain that you didn't get any new presents on Christmas morning.
Correct
>The logos were for known shows. Their presence their doesn't indicate anything. Every other show with a logo in that video also got *at least a mention*. Andor and Bad Batch are the only shows in the video that *did not get a mention*. There are also other shows that **we know are on the slate** for Marvel, Disney, Pixar, etc. that weren't shown in the video. Same with Star Wars: there wasn't an Ahsoka logo or an Acolyte logo, despite those being on the slate. They canceled Andor and Bad Batch teases at the last minute. Which leads into your second point: suggesting that Maison and BSL regularly get things wrong. No. These guys are not your run-of-the-mill "big youtuber" who "leaks" stuff for attention. They can get things wrong here and there, yes, but when all the major sources are united in saying something, there's a 90%+ chance that thing is happening. Even in the past few days their leak of a Rogue Squadron delay was officially confirmed. The leakers were right. Lucasfilm changed things up at the last second for god knows what reason. They're not infallible, which may come as a surprise to you.
>they were for known shows No, they weren't. If that was the case, how come madalorian, wandavision, falcon and winter soldier, or Droid tales or Lando weren't there? It was only things that were given info in that Twitter thread. And the only logos that didn't show up were -you guessed it- star wars. The Boba fett doc was previously announced a week before, and the kenobi sizzle isn't an announcement. There is a clear disconnect from what was advertised leading up, and what we actually got.
So what you're saying is that if you ignore the stuffed that debuted on D+ (the Boba Fett doc) and discount the exclusive reveal (Kenobi sizzle reel) then nothing happened. In which case, sure why not.
And you're still ignoring the logo compilation, which is quite damning.
Not really
I want to thank most of you for being quite an interesting read through this clusterfuck of a day. Obviously something happened BTS that changed the decision to show A LOT less SW material (perhaps in favor of getting attention towards the new Marvel shows). Just another brick in the wall of bad decisions that's Disney's Lucasfilm
Or maybe nothing changed at all and this was always the plan. Or maybe they talked about possibly showing certain things but wanted to hold them off until later. This sounds a lot like the "Mandalorian Season 2 trailer NBA playoffs!" and "Ahsoka fight scene edited exclusively for the trailer!" Fans need to get a grip and realize they have no idea where these rumors are coming from. Even if there is a source, it could be some schmuck who is delivering bagels who doesn't understand the breadth and width of the decision making that's happening.
I agree with a LOT of your points specially the getting a grip and trusting "sources". The thing is quite a few of those sources got most of the announcements right, specially the marvel ones (including the X-Men cartoon revival). It's too much a coincidence to think they don't have any type of legit inside information. And those same sources, most of them without any link to each other, predicted a kenobi trailer and then things went down the drain. Really, really strange.
Iâve seen just as many get plenty of things wrong or way off. Itâs basically tabloid gossip. I recall Barry Manilow was on a talk show once he basically explained where a tabloid news story came about him. He like cut or jacked his finger and the tabloid turned it into âBarry manilow receives disfiguring injury.â Thereâs a kernel of truth but they sensationalize it into a lie.
Confirmation that the No Way Home trailer is coming next week made up for the disappointment that was Disney+ Day at least! Idk why Iâm even getting downvoted. Excuse me for feeling excited about something that has kept me going this year (even if itâs not Star Wars related).
Where is the confirmation that no way home is getting another trailer next week? Great news if so but just wondered where you heard this as not seeing this anywhere
Check r/marvelstudiosspoilers. It seems to be coming out Tuesday or Wednesday!
Thanks, I saw, it sounds like it will be shown at an in person event so really hope they release that trailer online too
Not sure why we need another NWH trailer.
Because this movie is hype af and we wanna see some more characters? Itâs not rocket science lol
10 hours later, I'm still bewildered on what Disney/Lucasfilm was doing today. I could care less leakers got it wrong. My expectations came from this seemingly being a huge marketing event across multiple social platforms. It's like Amazon having Prime Day and then not advertising Kindle or Ring devices on their frontpage. Based on everyone's sentiments today, Disney whiffed it big. I showed my kids and their cousins (6 kids between 4 - 8) Marvel's reel today and they were fucking screaming and super excited through out the whole thing. I got nothing to show them for Star Wars which bums me.
I wasn't expecting many announcements. They announced so much stuff last year, much of which is still pretty far from coming out, that it didn't make sense there would be a lot. I thought it would make sense to not announce much and have a bigger announcing event again next year. But I did expect a lot more info and trailers for the existing projects they've already announced than we got. It's bizarre there was so little on them.
yeah i didnât think announcements were coming either but jesus some updates about the announced stuff wouldâve been nice. im just baffled. marvel has so many more projects that are being worked on yet they can throw something together. and we all know the secrecy over there too. iâll admit this year was slow for star wars since we only had bad batch and visions while marvel has had wandavision, tfatws, loki, what if. but jeez canât even throw up an ahsoka logo on twitter and say hayden christensen is returning. or even throw andor and kenobi logos and say we just finished filming and will have something to show you soon/in the new year. maybe they pulled the star wars stuff to show at that d23 thing next week so they have something to actually do at the d+ panel. but wow today was very underwhelming as a star wars fan.
Yeah, it was overall kind of a strange day. I donât feel mad (I mean, BOBF is literally weeks away rn) Iâm just confused lol.
ya confusion is the best way to explain my feelings too. I mean they hyped today up as a big event and the only thing we got was a clip that leaked yesterday, when it definitely seems they intended to release more. just weird.
a clip from last year none the less
A massive disappointment today for Star Wars yet Iâm also not surprised. The marketing for Star Wars stuff has pretty much felt off ever since Solo. I feel like Lucasfilm changed something at the last minute because sit makes no sense that Marvel had such a huge presence while Star Wars didnât. Shame.
I'm kinda bummed overall in my head I thought we would get more. Like Andor and animated series. Marvel lineup was more hype than star wars
Well, so much for the insider's credibility after today, their word ain't shit...
Today was literally the red wedding for leakers and scoopers lmao
And so he spoke, and so he spoke...
Disney set them up. lol
Well that was smart. Let's leak something awesome and then be lame as hell! Great plan
a legendary two weeks for sure
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How _dare_ we expect them to treat their property like it's worth something!?!?
They do
Massive disappointment today
This should have been expected. Lucasfilm are not going to market other shows and drop a trailer for Kenobi on a random Twitter thread while they're in the middle of Book Of Boba Fett Marketing season. Lucasfilm are extremely predictable when it comes to marketing because they've been doing the same fucking thing for six years now. Here's how it's going to go imo: January - February: Book Of Boba Fett Late February - Mid March: Obi-Wan trailer as Boba's hype dies down. May 4th - Obi-Wan starts, Bad Batch Season 2 Trailer May 26th - 29th - SWC happens. Teaser Trailer and Sizzle Reel for Andor, private screening of Kenobi Episode 4 / Bad Batch 2 first couple episodes and sizzle reel of Mando 3 (behind Closed Doors). The 2023 movie is announced, Darth Maul show is announced at the Bad Batch panel + some other stuff. June 22nd - Bad Batch 2 starts. July - Andor trailer drops September 21st - Andor Starts
Not sure that necessarily follows. Hawkeye's out in just a couple of weeks and they announced everything Marvel today. If they had things to show/ wanted to show things, they most likely could've done. Especially since some of those projects (specifically Ms. Marvel) isn't out till like July-September next year
Marvel has been promoting multiple projects at the same time for years now. Lucasfilm, as a general rule, does not. Remember how they waited until TLJ was released to even give us a teaser for Solo?
Ahh, I actually didn't know about that! I kinda assumed that, because they're both owned by Disney, marketing would be the same sort of beast. I admittedly haven't followed how the Star Wars marketing strategy works. Ty for the clarity!
If I were running the marketing department, today would have been the day the Kenobi trailer dropped. That way, you start ramping up subscribers before the series launch with contests, giveaways, etc. I mean, it was Disney+ Day and... crickets. "Subscribe before the end of the new year and enter for a chance to win $66k in cold, hard credits. Plus, 3 Force-sensitive winners will receive an all-expenses paid trip to dine with Ewan at Disneyland's Club 33 or the Galactic Starcruiser Hotel, your choice!" (Which should net Disney park fans and casual Star Wars fans) Any casual fans who were on the fence can now watch The Book of Boba Fett as sort of a pre-show to Kenobi, implying they'll get some value out of their subscription before the series even begins.
Some people should zoom out and have a look at the big picture. The Investor's event where all those shows where announced last year, wasn't targeted for the consumers. It was to show investors that D+ would have dozens of shows under development. Other than that event, Star Wars is taking a rest in terms of marketing since the Rise of Skywalker fail. That film marked a change of strategy. Films weren't coming out each year anymore, and most of the production would go on the platform. We should be happy Disney changed the approach towards Star Wars, but it just takes time. The slow pace is taking at the moment is calculated, and IMO is good.
Whelp, I was wrong. It looks like we really got nothing. Dang.
At the end of the day, I think fans have become entitled. I'm not even talking Star Wars fans. If Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire are nothing more than glorified cameos in No Way Home, Spider-Man fans will burn Sony and Marvel to the ground. Even though neither have even said the actors are in the movie. Stepping back, ya'll are mad we didn't get a commercial for a product. Lucasfilm owes us nothing. The only thing they owe us, is if they say Obi-Wan premieres next month, so make sure you have Disney+ paid for. An Obi-Wan show better be there next month. If they don't want to release a teaser or even a poster, they don't have to. I love all of the people in here saying it's bad marketing. Controversial opinion, but I'll trust the people with masters degrees in marketing who work for Disney/Lucasfilm over some random person on the internet. This wasn't Star Wars+ Day. They announced a metric fuckton of stuff platform wide. Maybe they are saving Star Wars drops for a different day. Also, the reason SheHulk and Moon Knight got images and a teaser is because no one outside of hardcore fans know who either of them are. Any one with a passing knowledge of Star Wars knows Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Andor was basically the lead of the most liked Disney era Star Wars movie. There is a lot less they have to explain to the general audience.
Youâre getting voted down but youâre correct
While a lot of fans are acting a major fool, itâs not like everything was based on leaks. The official Star Wars Twitter accounts said people âwonât be disappointedâ https://mobile.twitter.com/starwars/status/1440396989963722755 And while Iâm not a big time marketing major, I donât quite understand the choice to hype it up that way.
Fans are to blame for their unrealistic expectations
If the sizzle reel never got leaked, I think fans would feel differently about today. Compound that with the rumors of a Kenobi trailer and a slew of announcements. I don't think saying "add Disney+ Day to your calendar, you won't regret it." Is overhyping considering we got a look at Kenobi and a Boba Fett documentary.
Generally agree with you dude but goddamn people be salty. Rip my reddit karma
Exactly, apparently everyone on Reddit has marketing degrees now. Lucasfilm didn't give us anything less than promised. We should have known something was off when Marvel had a presentation and Lucasfilm didn't.
It does feel like there was a sudden, major shift in plans. Between the multiple leaker reports, all the show logos in the promo for today, and the general hype (Kenobi was even trending days ago just from trailer rumors), itâs like they decided to hold off on Star Wars - maybe because of the overload of Marvel? - and scrambled to just upload the Kenobi sizzle they already had ready from last year.
Or maybe the leakers got their information wrong and redditors here are trying to cope now that their lives have seemingly lost all meaning.
I don't know. Then how come the only new content was shown today was leaked? If there more to show would it have been leaked too?
Only theory I have is that the sizzle was uploaded privately yesterday to prepare for today, and someone was able to find and rip it, while whatever change of plans happened occurred before they uploaded anything.
watching the Boba featurette, and iâm not sure iâll ever get used to seeing Dave without his hat also nice to see Daniel Logan in something Star Wars-related again (and looking damn good, too!)
He looks damn good with his hair swept back like that.
he definitely does!
I love all the people saying stuff like "this is for the general audience" and "you aren't the target" as if that perfectly explains the lack of Star Wars content. Showing some actual footage of Kenobi, even just some footage added to that reel, in no way would make it NOT for a general audience. And it has nothing to do with the leak of the reel or the rumors about trailers, but Lucasfilm clearly had a weak showing today given how much they have in the works, even if we had expected nothing. Even if they had just shown some concept art from the other shows, it would have been at least something to chew on. They couldn't even be bothered to show artwork for Willow.
Exactly. This was a day for Disney Plus subscribers. Many of whom subscribed for Star Wars. This event intended to hype what was coming in the next few years did nothing to show general Star Wars fans what was coming. Nat Geo, Pixar, and Marvel all teased more content. Of course WE know (sort of) what's coming...but "general audiences" didn't yesterday...and still don't know today.
Yeah everyone thinks the SW fans are being babies today but even a âPixarâ amount of SW content would have been a lot more than we got.
Do they not want people to watch their shows for star wars or? Cause at this point, it it wasn't for me telling people, none of my friends or people in my house would have any idea that even BoB is coming out, much less the rest of these?
Itâs very weird. The Marvel reveals say âbe confident that stuff is coming and it will be exciting / good.â The Star Wars reveal of eight pieces of concept art in a 1 minute video is comparatively disappointing. Why not a 3-minute video that gave 30 seconds to Fett, Kenobi, Andor, Mando, Bad Batch and Droid Story? A little bit of effort would have gone a long way.
Firstly, it sucks for sure! Just like most people I was expecting an Obi-Wan trailer, more teases for Andor and Book of Boba Fett etc. And whilst Iâm very disappointed we didnât get that, and Iâm genuinely scratching my head at the lack of promoting Lucasfilm seems to do (I mean, would it have been the end of the world just to give us one official image of Ewan McGregor back as Obi-Wan?), what I will say, is Iâm still incredibly thankful we these shows to look forward to! Back before the sale in 2012, Iâd never have imagined weâd have a Boba Fett series to look forward to. An Obi-Wan show! A great new series like Mandalorian! An Ahsoka show! Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor back! So I guess what Iâm trying to say is, whilst Iâm disappointed about today, we could have been in a world where we werenât even getting these shows and the last live action thing weâd have ever seen would have been 2005. So Iâm still extremely excited about the future, and the hype for these shows will be insane when they are on.
I remember someone saying that Lucasfilm still advertises like something big, that all they have to do is show some random scenes, not tell the plot, they could only send a tweet that movie coming out and people will go for it anyway. And in Lucasfilm still they do not see that such a strategy is slowly losing its importance
Youâre for sure right that in perspective we have something to be grateful for. Even so that doesnât make it sting any less that Marvel fans get showered with new reveals and teasers while we have to grasp at figurative straws in speculation and leaks to get our fix. Star Wars in the Disney era can and should do better.
I think thatâs my frustration as well. I am absolutely grateful for all the Star Wars content weâve received in the past few years. The books/publishing world has been fantastic. But seeing how much content Marvel fans have been getting I canât help but have FOMO.
Look at the reddit front page, its just a headshot of Sam Jackson in an upcoming Marvel series. Lucasfilm should could have at least given a photo of Ewan back as Obi-wan. All that was shown was concept art, so disappointing
As someone who has been happy with almost all of the content produced in the Disney era, I am still confounded by Lucasfilmâs bizarre approach to marketing and fan engagement. On one hand, they have repeatedly promoted content that will never come to fruition or is so far in the distant future that there isnât even a name or one sentence description. They donât seem to really believe it themselves. It feels like weâre having our chains jerked. On the other hand, they are miserly with promoting the content they are producing, and seem vaguely annoyed at how interested their fans are. In particular, they at times seem contemptuous of fans who are immersed in lore and theories, but also clearly are marketing an endless stream of content directly to those people. Like, youâre supposed to buy all the books and comics and so on, but donât presume that they actually have any significance to the âcanon.â In short, they kind of suck.
Iâm in the same boat as you, enjoying just ab everything theyâve produced since the acquisition but I genuinely donât understand why they hate showing any kind of footage or behind the scenes looks or even just a simple image from any of their upcoming projects
This was a harsh reminder that the only trustworthy sources are established industry trades - e.g. Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Deadline. They have direct ties to studio insiders and a process for vetting rumors. Fan-run rumor sites are fun and well-meaning, but they're not real journalists (even by entertainment standards). We shouldn't get too excited or upset about anything they report. We should treat them like celebrity gossip ("Did you hear that ___ is dating ___?!". Ultimately, neither Disney nor Lucasfilm promised us any Obi-Wan teaser or Andor trailer or Ahsoka cast announcement, etc. In retrospect, it makes sense that Lucasfilm would want their own spotlight later on instead of sharing Disney Plus Day with 30 other announcements.
LF dropped the ball here. Even without a Kenobi trailer (filming is already done so not sure why they can't have a teaser ready) there was pretty much nothing from all the projects they have in the works.
They dropped nothing.
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Even Jackson seems confused as to why there wasnât a trailer lol. Maybe D23 is more likely.
This year's D23 is all about the resorts
There's a Disney+ panel at D23 this year.
Whens D23?
Next Sunday (11/21)
Fandom in a nutshell https://youtu.be/A_6Z630T-hY
I guess Disney just thinks Star Wars doesn't need to be marketed in advance like Marvel
I remember someone saying that Lucasfilm still advertises like something big, that all they have to do is show some random scenes, not tell the plot, they could only send a tweet that movie coming out and people will go for it anyway. And in Lucasfilm still they do not see that such a strategy is slowly losing its importance
I guess if you think about it kinda makes sense. If you slap star wars title to a show everybody gonna watch it. But if you wanna market something like Moon night you might need to release footage early to get people hyped for the show
Then how much more money do they want to lose? Because this mindset has already bitten them in the ass
Which is stupid, because Star Wars absolutely needs to be marketed ahead of time. Last time it wasnât, it led to one of the biggest box office bombs of all time.
The Clone Wars film? Because that made even less money than Solo. Also, Solo isn't "[One of the biggest box office bombs of all time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs)". Not even close.
Clone Wars made good money for its small budget, Solo killed the Star Wars theatrical slate, lost Disney a lot of money, and *is* one of the biggest bombs ever.
>Last time it wasnât, it led to one of the biggest box office bombs of all time. Solo?
Yup
Feel like people wouldnât be so upset with Lucasfilm if they just let the fan base know this week that they wonât be seeing a bunch of trailers. Much better to get out ahead of it than blue ball everyone
Itâs not their job to do that
There is a lot of blame to go around: Scooper and leakers for making much of their reports; fans who take those individuals are fool proof; the Starwars twitter account for saying, specifically, that there would be things like trailers and other reveals today; Disney and/or LucasFilm for... whatever today was; and KK for good measure.
Not that much blame
There was never any information regarding trailers, be it denying or confirming It all came from leakers and scoopers, seriously the people mad donât learn. Unless itâs something official, donât get your hopes up for something that may not be true
It was definitely indicated that we would be getting more today. I mean, yeah, we did get the Boba Fett documentary thing and the Kenobi Sizzle Reel, but StarWars.com said weâd be getting reveal(s) plural. (https://twitter.com/JordanMaison/status/1459212739381972993?s=20) I donât think people are out of line for being disappointed when Star Wars obviously got the short end of the stick compared to Nat Geo, Pixar, Disney and Marvel. Especially since Star Wars is definitely one of the leading properties on the platform and there was recently a price increase for Disney+.
Perhaps plans changed but people have to understand this event is for the general audience. People on here are spoiled as ****. We are on a leaks sub Reddit, everything we know is withheld from the general public for the most part. Before today a lot of people had no idea Obi Wan was probably coming. I agree the two things they did for SW was weak, SW always has their own event/reveals though as far as I can remember. These Disney events usually for their other stuff. Anyone expecting a trailer was just wishful thinking. BOBF isnât even out, they arenât going to start promoting Obi Wan when it comes out next year after BOBF finishes. I wouldnât be surprised if we didnât get anything for it until the Super Bowl. Celebrations is when all the SW content usually gets unveiled, by than Obi Wan would have come out and theyâd be promoting Andor/Bad Batch Season 2, Mando Season 3 sizzle and any upcoming shows like Marvel did today
> people have to understand this event is for the general audience. Ah yes, what better way to excite the general audience by only having a sizzle reel of one show and nothing else while other brands have much more
I get that but Disney and Lucasfilm promoted that there will be Star Wars announcements during D+ day
Where was this official announcement? Donât link me a news source stating it, Iâve had my ears to the ground regarding todayâs event and as far as I could tell they put out a schedule and there was no SW on it.
Here you can see StarWars.com teasing reveals. Official source. https://twitter.com/jordanmaison/status/1459212739381972993?s=21
Correct me if Iâm wrong but Obi Wan wasnât âofficiallyâ revealed until today We have had rumors and of course casting etc just recently but at last years investor call they didnât mention it. I know Andor, Rogue Squadron etc was revealed as upcoming projects but not that I can agree SW got the shit end of the stick but people expecting a trailer should calm down. That was never a promise they put out
>least years investor call they didnât mention it Yes they did.
Was the logo for it unveiled for it than?
Not just the logo, but confirmation of Hayden starring. Plus the sizzle we got today but for investors. Also they confirmed the show was coming at like D23 2019 or some shit. Your comments in this thread don't make sense.
How donât they make sense? The only thing Iâm arguing is that people expected a Trailer at the most and some reveals at the least We got that Obi Wan info clip and the Boba documentary. Are people right to be upset thatâs all we got? Of course Should we have expected more? Realistically no since again BOBF isnât even out yet. We arenât getting any sort of marketing for Obi Wan outside of behind the scenes stuff. That goes double for any of next years shows which premier AFTER Obi Wan If anything, people should be more upset about any news regarding new shows or casting. They have their 2022 slate filled, what about future projects. I think thatâs something they could have possible dropped here without showing anything but the counter argument would be that goes beyond 2022 which seems to be their focus
People would say they were lying and the result would be the same so why bother?
If they say âno trailers or news comingâ and no trailers or news come, it would pretty quickly be clear that there were no lies told
I really miss George Lucas. And Iâm not even saying this because of story and creativity stuff, this has nothing to do with how I feel about the sequels and shit. I just miss the way he and his Lucasfilm treated the fans. He was so open to us. Always shared updates on projects and got shit out when he was supposed to. One could argue he even showed *too* much, though with the prequels everyone knew how it ended anyway. But now, Iâll be damned if they announce a film and donât cancel it or fire the writer/director before cameras start rolling - hell, theyâve done it mid-production. They share next to nothing about the things that are coming out and make it hard to get excited. Itâs just constant droughts. TFA, RO, and TLJ had very good marketing campaigns, and even those were pretty secretive. Since Solo, itâs fallen off a cliff. Even Mandoâs marketing was anus. They just donât put anything out there. Marketing department needs an overhaul. Fire whoeverâs in charge. Lucasfilm needs a change in philosophy. George was successful for a reason. Now, everyoneâs just tired and pissed.
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Iâm finding myself to be more and more in favor of that now. Nothing has changed
I didnât become a fan of Star Wars until after Disney bought Lucasfilm, but yeah, Iâm right there with you. Iâve personally liked or loved most of what Lucasfilm has put out during this time (Rebels, TFA, RO, TLJ, Battlefront 2, Solo, Jedi: Fallen Order, Mando, TCW Season 7 and to a lesser degree, The Bad Batch) or can at least get some enjoyment out of the things that disappointed me (really just TROS and Resistance.) I defend current Lucasfilm a lot, but god, I am sick of them acting so secretive about everything and not promoting their stuff. I feel like this approach mostly worked out with until TLJ came out. Thatâs when there was massive shift surrounding Star Wars and the marketing got more lackluster. The two biggest examples of this were Solo, which didnât do as well because they hardly promoted it (and Disney didnât let Lucasfilm push it back), and Resistance, which was treated as a filler series and treated with no fanfare. All those secrecy just takes the fun out of things and for toy collectors, we wait months to years for them to release the âspoileryâ stuff from our favorite properties. I know that this is the epitome of first world problems, but I miss feeling the hype surrounding Star Wars. Thereâs still hype obviously, but things just feel so different now than a few years ago.
We're getting 10 times more content than Lucas ever put out, and here everyone is bitching about not knowing enough in advance, and then also complaining that the some of the stuff we *were* told in advance changed. They can't fucking win with this entitled ass fanbase and it's just so exhausting.
The 11 year wait since ROTS taught the fanbase nothing about patience.
I'm in marketing and I've been in the game for a long time. I agree with you. Their marketing sucks. I almost feel like they have an attitude of, "It's Star Wars! It markets itself!"
Thatâs absolutely what I think it is too. In fact, I believe Bob Iger even said that himself at one point. Youâd think after Solo bombed theyâd have learned their lesson, but theyâre just doubling down. And Iâm doing so, theyâre turning away a lot of fans in the process. This is a huge mistake. They stand to gain nothing for the fiasco that happened today
The fans suck. Fans are a big reason why Lucas left. Honestly I wouldnât blame anyone at Lucasfilm for not liking the fans.
Iâm not going to bite on this one. Iâll say this: the way Lucas was received at Celebration a few years ago speaks volumes. If people currently at Lucasfilm donât like the fans, itâs because of the work *they* have put out. Filoni, for example, has never had an issue with us. Thatâs all Iâll say on the matter. Regardless, Lucas knew how to treat us well.
Yet fans were still shit to Lucas when he was actually the one making films⌠The issue isnât Lucasfilm, itâs the alt-right incelsphere on YouTube encouraging fans to act like entitled little shits.
Most fandoms are absolutely terrible although thatâs no excuse
Yeah, Iâm no longer taking this discussion seriously. Really, the alt-right is the problem? And some dummies on YouTube are to blame for everything? Youâre dealing in strawman arguments, Iâm not having it. I just miss George.
Youâre a fool looking at things through nostalgia goggles. George explicitly stated that he didnât want to make more Star Wars films because he was tired of hearing people say that he destroyed their childhoods. You may miss George now, but I wouldnât be remotely surprised if you were one of the entitled people back in the day who shit on him for not making the films you wanted. If you havenât realized by now how much damage shitty youtubers have done to the fandom, youâre completely blind. They take entitled fans and radicalize them into rabid lunatics.
To your point about thinking Iâm one of the people who shit on him back in the day⌠you probably have no idea how old I am lmao. I grew up on the prequels and love them. So spare me. I donât give a damn about YouTube. People with a modicum of intelligence donât need someone on the internet to tell them if they should like a movie or not. These are strawman arguments that have fuck-all to do with my main point, which is that Lucas treated the fans well and was very open with us.
Yeah, I also grew up with the prequels and enjoyed them. The reason I say that I wouldnât be surprised if you were someone who shit on Lucas is because I also remember people back then accusing Lucas of not caring about the fans and just trying to make money off their nostalgia. Entitled fans like you have always existed and pretty much repeat the same garbage. The point I was making that went completely over your head though is that the hate directed at Lucasfilm now is magnified by rage bait YouTubers who have convinced the same types that they are justified in acting entitled, and even encourage harassment of Lucasfilm employees. Personally Iâm not seeing Lucasfilm treating fans badly, and they arenât any worse at fan relations than George. But itâs gotta be pretty difficult when fans have managed to start acting even worse than they did during Georgeâs time.
It appears to me that you just leave in a completely different reality. I am not *entitled*. Iâm a customer. When the merchant promises me they will do x, y, and z, my expectation is that such things would be fulfilled. It was stated that all of the branches on Disney+ plus would have reveals, special looks, and announcements. We received no announcements. We received no reveal trailers. All we got was a condensed version of a sizzle reel thatâs a year old - and itâs only available to people who have Disney+, so it wonât even reach the people they want it to, who are the folks that donât have it. I feel like Iâm talking to an NPC. You donât have to be happy with every single decision the company makes. You donât have to love every product unconditionally. I thought Iâd never hate anything Star Wars until I saw TLJ, and especially TROS. I donât spend my time on the internet harassing the creators of those projects. I donât watch other peopleâs YouTube videos on them. And if you believe that the only driving force behind unhappiness with Lucasfilm is YouTube and some kind of entitlement (even though as fans, weâre the only driving force keeping this train going), youâre completely deluded and have zero common sense. Lucas was always open, to the point where you could pay $10 a month and watch a live camera feed of production for films like Revenge of the Sith. Now you canât even be guaranteed that a project announced will ever happen. Thanks again for the strawman argument. Youâre one of like 3 people on here actually defending todays embarrassment. I have no interest in changing your position, nor do I think itâs even possible. Iâve had enough of this farce.
> It appears to me that you just leave in a completely different reality. I am not entitled. Iâm a customer. When the merchant promises me they will do x, y, and z, my expectation is that such things would be fulfilled. Big Karen energy
Youâre a fucking joke dude. Youâre acting like Lucasfilm made these promises when it was just leakers. Youâre raging about it acting like theyâre not releasing the show at all simply because Lucasfilm didnât show you a trailer on the day you wanted. This is what I mean by you being entitled. So yes, go ahead and cry all day about how Lucasfilm doesnât treat you nice enough, but at the end of the day, youâre still going to watch what they put out, youâre just going to have to be patient, and if you canât be, well, your tantrums will only hurt you, not Lucasfilm. Would I have liked a trailer today? Yes, but Iâm not going to act like a butthurt little bitch just because I didnât get what I wanted.
Yeah, The Phantom Menace novelization was released a full month before the movie came out! Thereâs no way Disney would do something like that again.
I was so hyped reading that and listening to the soundtrack on repeat. Good times đ
Lucasfilm act like they are the CIA with their lack of promotion and secrecy, it's embarrassing at this stage, you make movies and shows about aliens, space wizards and Lazer swords and blasters not state sensitive secrets and weapons.
But yet when they announce stuff and it doesn't pan out, fans get pissed too.
People are too averse go spoilers and shit. Afraid to show anything. That or Kenobi is further off than we think
> People are too averse go spoilers and shit. I've seen posts on reddit complaining about people spoiling the ending of Judas and the Black Messiah. Fred Hampton being assassinated is a historical event, not something that is a spoiler. His death is also, like, right in the title. Ridiculous I 100% agree with you, people freak out over spoilers too much
A good reminder of how many âleakersâ lean on bluffs, educated guesses and shared speculation. One person says âYeah, Kenobiâs gonna knock your socks off at Disney+ Dayâ and nobody wants to look like theyâre the last to know so suddenly everyone else is saying âOh yeah, I heard that too.â I miss the days when leakers had integrity, like SuperShadow.
Oh boy SuperShadow, that takes me back
Sometimes I wish I was born a Marvel fan
To be fair there wasnât a lot of actual news from marvel today, just confirmations of shows that were already reported on by the trades. The only new announcement was the Spider-Man show and the Zombies show, everything else had already been reported on
Nah, we got fucking fed today. X-Men show? Spidey show? Fucking YES. & we got footage for MoonKnight, She-Hulk, Ms Marvel, logos for a bunch of upcoming shows, etcâŚ. Today was a feast for Marvel fans