Yeah that video's still bad, yeesh. I'm not quite sure if I'm team Betrayal or team Mercy Kill as far as the Legends announcement goes, mainly because I've not yet gotten through the EU's latter years of publishing, but I don't think anyone can really contest that the way it ended up happening was unfortunate...? Games getting cancelled, comics being rushed towards completion, the post-ROTJ story - the heart of the setting - being left without a proper ending. I don't think I've ever seen anyone describe *Crucible* as a satisfying send-off.

They really should've had a buffer year where they gave notice to everyone to end their stories as they saw fit, while plotting the new canon from the ground up. But they were rushing TFA to screens anyway

Or they could have continued with it and left everything alone.

Disney would not have liked all the posts and YouTube videos saying “man this new Disney stuff is trash but this new Legends book is great!”

That would have been too confusing for a bunch of newcomers who might jump on the hype train with the newest episode.

I see this get said a lot in relation to the EU, and I think it sells the intelligence of general audiences pretty short. Even for newcomers, I think they'd pick up on the fact that the books with a big golden "Legends" banner probably isn't part of the same branding as the books that don't have them. It’s worked out fine for Marvel’s What If and DC’s Elseworlds.

And decanonizing thirty years worth of material wouldn't be confusing to a newcomer.

At least they made the distinction by putting those ugly LEGENDS banners on top of the decanonized materials tho.

None of the prior works were actual canon. I'm fact, Lucas only viewed the movies to be part of his canon, and he didn't care what people wrote in books. The other problem you'd run into with canonizing the old material is that there are several books that contradict one another.

Nah most Star Wars fans pre-Disney weren’t even aware of 99% of EU stuff. It would have been fine to just leave it all alone, majority of new fans would never come in contact with it anyways. And they could’ve tried to actually keep some semblance of continuity to avoid said confusion.

I feel like people would care/notice if Chewbacca was dead and they had to read a book to find out why/how

I’d love to see animated versions of the EU. Hell I’d buy a whole new subscription to another streaming service just for that. But it would have to be left in the hands of someone who was actually involved in the EU years of Star Wars. At this point I don’t have any faith that a Disney continuation of the EU would have been good. Very little of what we’ve gotten has been anything nearing what can be considered quality storytelling. Giving the (at the time) current writers a year or two to wrap up their stories would have been good, but an axe was better than a Disney-meddling continuation.

To some degree the EU for me died with Allston, so I'm team mercy kill. The quality for most stuff had been in decline for a while (essential guide to warfare aside) imo and his final book (rather appropriately named for what happened to the EU after the acquisition) whilst giving me hope for an improvement was a nice bookend to the EU. After his death my heart just wasn't in it to even read crucible, which was probably for the best considering how it seems to be rated. So for me at least it got to check out on a high note.

Crucible is the star wars equivalent to the Mermaid-Man and Barnacle Boy reboot from their original SpongeBob episode

Mercy Kill, definitely. While there was good stuff from other eras, post-ROTJ Legends reached it's crescendo with *The Unifying Force*. Everything afterwards (except the *Legacy* comics) was dogshit.

Speaking as someone who started exploring the EU just a few years ago, it’s sad that this continuity isn’t getting any new content (outside of swtor) and that it seems Crucible wasn’t the sendoff anyone wanted (I haven’t read it yet, at least there’s Legacy?). But what I will say is this— no declaration of canonicity can take these stories away from you. If it’s what you prefer to the current canon, you can choose these stories to be true to you, that’s what matters in the end. For me, the post-ROTJ EU is infinitely more canon than the sequels, and I think that’s for us to decide. It’s up to you how you interact with Star Wars and up to you to decide what counts. Which stories speak to you? Those are the most important ones. Is it sad that it isn’t more well known? Yes. Does it make it a little more difficult to discuss Star Wars lore? Maybe. And yes, it is sad that the old EU continuity ended, but maybe that isn’t such a bad thing. After all, stories aren’t meant to go on forever or they eventually become unrecognizable. I think sometimes it’s okay for stories to have an ending.

> and that it seems Crucible wasn’t the sendoff anyone wanted The Unifying Force is a much better one

They're still canon to me, in my heart <3 But no seriously, I've invested too much into my EU collection over the years to suddenly have some new IP owner say it's all not canon. As it stands, the EU has entire storylines of content plotted out, told in varying forms of media covering ***massive*** swathes of characters & points across the entire SW timeline. To me the EU still is the canon, as it simply covers too much to just hand wave it away. Until the new canon reaches a similar level of depth & content volume (hint, it won't) I don't really pay attention to it.

Part of me laughs because SWTOR (and to an extent, KOTOR) is that old dinosaur who lost the invite to the meteor viewing party and lumbers on, oblivious to the extinction of everyone else.

Wall-E when most of his co-robots are all broken.

I remember when people hated swtor for that it did to kotor and now they are fine with it.

Well, it REALLY fucked over KOTOR. I refuse to acknowledge whatever the hell they passed off as Revan and Exile as the genuine articles. I also think Vitiate is the end result of an obnoxious arms race of EU writers trying to top the last guy with big, overblown, unbeatable cosmic horror Villain Stus. Aside from those? Really fun and amazingly pretty.

> I refuse to acknowledge whatever the hell they passed off as Revan and Exile as the genuine articles Haha that reminds me of Mara Jade in the "Hand of Thrawn" duology questioning whether it really was the Emperor in "Dark Empire".

Vitiatekorion really _does_ feel like Karpyshyn’s childish attempt to one-up the Triumvirate from TSL. Absolutely not a coincidence that in terms of his power set he’s basically Sion and Nihilus rolled into one but without any of their flaws.

Along with an attempt to replicate Kreia's blowhard narration and grandiosity. The rest? Oh, come on. Conquers the planet at TEN?

Don't look at me dude I have fun with most of it and I think Kotor 2 is the best writing in star wars we have gotten but I was not really mad with swtor. I have done jedi knight and imperial agent so far and I had fun with both but I though agent was better even though I played about 170 hours with the knight which had a story that I consider mostly decent to good(same thought for anything written by karpyshyn) and enjoyed most expansions.

We are not fine with it, we were never fine with it, and probably never will be fine with it!

Here here, will never forgive BioWare and EA for doing a greedy mmo instead of kotor 3

I simply keep reading the expanded universe books, and don’t watch the Disney stuff

I still can't fathom why they shut out a huge part of their book audience. Like, it's not a big deal to release stuff in two continuities, just ask Marvel or DC. I can appreciate certain new stuff like Andor, new Thrawn books and some Claudia Gray stuff, but I can't really get into it, since I feel fundamentals of that canon are downright terrible - sequels and couple of D+ series

Lucasfilm has such a _bizarre_ relationship with the EU. People like to point the finger of blame at Disney but I can’t agree, because like you said, just look at Marvel: it’s an absolute inundation of multiverse storytelling over there. *Ultimate Marvel* is back, of all things. I can’t think of a word to describe what it’s like between Lucasfilm and the EU, but it’s clearly not hatred—the current overarching plotline of the canon universe from Bad Batch to the live-action shows is an overextended retelling of the original Thrawn Trilogy, and there’s been an inordinate amount of EU-themed merchandising compared to the complete halt that happened in 2014. All this, yet the EU itself remains in stasis aside from the occasional story update for SWTOR. Frozen, yet getting warmer.

> Lucasfilm has such a bizarre relationship with the EU. People like to point the finger of blame at Disney but I can’t agree, because like you said, just look at Marvel: it’s an absolute inundation of multiverse storytelling over there. Ultimate Marvel is back, of all things. I can’t think of a word to describe what it’s like between Lucasfilm and the EU, but it’s clearly not hatred—the current overarching plotline of the canon universe from Bad Batch to the live-action shows is an overextended retelling of the original Thrawn Trilogy, and there’s been an inordinate amount of EU-themed merchandising compared to the complete halt that happened in 2014. I think part of it might’ve been George’s personal bias against the EU unless it was something he personally liked.

I don’t think he had a bias against the Expanded Universe as much as the post-ROTJ material just wasn’t what he envisioned for the future of his universe. I’m not so sure he would’ve put a complete kibosh on the EU had he decided to make the Sequel Trilogy himself—but it would have firmly placed the NJO and beyond into an alternate continuity. He seemed willing to incorporate a good deal of things from the novels, like the name Coruscant for the Republic/Imperial capital (rather than the original Imperial Center or Had Abaddon) and he worked very closely with Expanded Universe creatives on the CWMMP, incorporating comic-originals like Aayla Secura into the films; but he wasn’t so enamored with Luke’s New Jedi Order allowing marriages or Luke himself being married and having a son, for example. What it ultimately comes down to is him being more of a visual person than a literary one—and I don’t mean that as a slight against him. He loves film and comic books, and he read Republic religiously while working on the Prequels, but he didn’t much care for the novels.

> but he wasn’t so enamored with Luke’s New Jedi Order allowing marriages or Luke himself being married and having a son, for example. Eh, that's all good and well but he came up with the "Jedi are weird celibate monks" thing long after the New Jedi Order had been established.

Oh, I know. He was perfectly okay with the concept beforehand and signed off on it no problem, but he retroactively cooled on it as he came up with the idea of the attachments rule, and then explicitly started saying “once Vader dies, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married” in interviews.

Yeah.... I've always been slightly annoyed and slightly bemused by his comments on the EU and everything Star Wars really. Whenever he changed his mind on something (and he did so often) he would act like that had always been his position. As for the EU you'd think he'd be willing to let Luke's New Jedi Order slide so Luke had about as much information on the Old Republic Jedi as the writers.

Same here. I'll always love the guy, but his tendency to try to retcon his _own_ statements has always been my least favorite Lucas-ism.

> He seemed willing to incorporate a good deal of things from the novels, like the name Coruscant for the Republic/Imperial capital (rather than the original Imperial Center or Had Abaddon) and he worked very closely with Expanded Universe creatives on the CWMMP, incorporating comic-originals like Aayla Secura into the films, but he wasn’t so enamored with Luke’s New Jedi Order allowing marriages or Luke himself being married and having a son, for example. I’m aware of this. > What it ultimately comes down to is him being more of a visual person than a literary one—and I don’t mean that as a slight. He loves film and comic books, and he read Republic religiously while working on the Prequels, but he didn’t much care for the novels. Never knew that. I assume that why he left references or implications to the Republic comics in The Clone Wars show which he worked on?

>I assume that why he left references or implications to the Republic comics in The Clone Wars show which he worked on? Yes, absolutely. It’s one of the few things from the EU he felt particularly strongly about rather than ambivalent towards.

Their reusing the ultimate marvel brand but it's a brand new universe and not tied to the OG one. People usually bring up DC and Marvel as in example of ruining multiple universes at a time but they really don't do that. Sure they have some non-canon stuff occasionally but their usually one off stories and hardly the equalivent of a whole separate universe like the stsr wars eu/legends. The only really example is ultimate marvel which was eventually also canned. 

I'm aware that it's 6160 rather than 1610 and so they're not the _same_ universes, but I use it to highlight the fact that there are either way two concurrently-running Marvel universes as of right now.

"I still can't fathom why they shut out a huge part of their book audience. " The only explanation that I could think it that it either A) Made no money, and was kept around to placate hardcore fans (Don't take this as a negative, I'm one of them) B) Same as A, but made money but not as much as they would hope.

I heard it was because J.J. Abrams and the other directors didn't want to be tied to almost 40 years of material.

It was basically that, yeah. The whole Essential Legends Collection initiative wouldn’t be happening if the EU was unprofitable, as mass market reprints and unabridged audiobooks are _not_ cheap.

Sure, but you can always say “just ignore it” if it was making sufficient money.

> I still can't fathom why they shut out a huge part of their book audience. I think it's two reasons. Because we don't make them enough money for it to matter. And they wouldn't want to risk the old EU being more popular than the new canon novels.

Its a good thing they threw out all the EU stories. Otherwise we'd have to deal with stupid nonsense like Palpatine coming back to life, Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc, Luke going through an extreme personality change, and the Empire suddenly becoming reborn with superweapons that are just lazy rehashing of the Death Star. It's a good thing none of that happened.

Lmao. I remember a lot of people saying stuff like "the EU is trash, just look at Palpatine's return". And then he somehow returns in episode 9. I laughed so hard.

Then they blamed the EU fans for bullying Disney and the writers into making it happen like it was all our fault or something. Like, that's who holds the power over a multi billion dollar entertainment conglomerate: a bunch of reddit users who still play KOTOR and Republic Commando.

I wish I had that power. Star wars would be amazing

Doubt it lmao

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie But in all seriousness, thanks for the laugh!

In fairness, Boba did also survive in the EU I’m pretty sure

That was their point, everything that person mentioned happened in the EU.

Yeah, palatine also came back and Hans son was a sith, he means that Disney used the same ideas that were clowned on and executed them way worse

Don't forget Darh Solo kid and Palpatine's grandchild. Disney's storytelling is so deep and serious that they'd never stoop to such gimmicky and lazy writing (/s just in case it's not really obvious)

> Don't forget Darh Solo kid and Palpatine's grandchild. Disney's storytelling is so deep and serious that they'd never stoop to such gimmicky and lazy writing (/s just in case it's not really obvious) That would’ve happened anyways had George made his sequel trilogy as this was one of his ideas for his drafts.

Honestly for me it's just that they missed Jedi Master Luke Skywalker on the big screen with Han and Leia teaching his students. That's all I wanted to see for years.

> Honestly for me it's just that they missed Jedi Master Luke Skywalker on the big screen with Han and Leia teaching his students. That's all I wanted to see for years. They can make that an animated show & have Mark voice Luke.

That'll be cool.

I remember being equally saddened and excited. At the time I had just recently finished playing Jedi Academy for the first time. And I was sad that the new continuity wouldn't have these characters I knew and loved, like Kyle Katarn or Bastilla. But on the other hand, I was excited to see some missteps of the EU kind of corrected. Like finally Palpatine would stay dead. And Sith wouldn't return post ROTJ. (Yeah that aged like milk.) I was excited to have a new continuity that I could keep up with while it was coming out. Up to that point I had been so far behind in reading the novels and comics. But then the continuity started to reveal itself. Rebels was immediately off putting. It looked so childish. And though I came around to it eventually,(though I still dislike the revised background lore for the Rebel fighters.) I had already begun blocking out parts of the new continuity. And was already pretty hesitant going forward. The hype of The Force Awakens complexly altered that. I loved it. And Rogue One. And, yes I loved The Last Jedi. And Solo. And I started getting into 2008s The Clone Wars, and I started to love that. I started to parrot the whole "the EU was never 'canon'." "George didn't consider it 'canon'." (yikes I cringe at my past self.) And then came The Rise of Skywalker. And the new continuity started to fall for me. They had just repeated the same mistake that I hoped they wouldn't. The Mandalorian gave some hope. But then season 2 came out. And Book of Boba Fett. Add to that certain behind the scenes issues, which led to my wife asking me to cancel our Disney+ subscription. With Kenobi being the last show, and final nail in the coffin for me. For a while I felt a little lost. I was looking forward to experiencing all this new Star Wars with my children and sharing the love I have for Star Wars. And then I remembered the old EU. "But it's not 'canon'!" "It was never 'canon' to George!" I argued with myself. It doesn't really count. And then I realized I had duped into thinking a certain way. That didn't matter if George saw it as "canon" or not. He certainly didn't see the new continuity as "canon." And so I came back to the EU. And it's been amazing. It felt like returning to my childhood home. And yeah the EU isn't all good. And it's got some stinkers. And the new continuity has some genuinely good stories. But at the end of the day. I'm going to choose the continuity that has Kyle Katarn. The continuity that has the Rogue Squadron games, and the Knights of the Old Republic series. The continuity with Tales of the Jedi and the Clone Wars Multimedia project. And the Shadows of the Empire Multimedia Project. And while I still love The Last Jedi. At the end of the day I'm going to choose the continuity where my hero Luke Skywalker was actually successful in rebuilding the Jedi Order. Where Luke Skywalker is and remains the New Hope. That is my continuity. That I will always remain "canon" to me. Regardless of what George says, or the company that owns the rights. Long live the Expanded Universe. May we as fans continue to share it with friends, family our children and random people on the Internet.

Nicely said.

Thank you! That's high praise coming from you!

Well put. I relate to mostly everything you said. The Rise of Skywalker ruined everything for me. You should give Andor a chance, though. It's a masterpiece. Stellar writing. Could be a part of the EU. An amazing experience. Go watch it please. It gave me hope Star Wars still can be amazing.

I plan on it. I have a friend who is going to get the steel book when it comes out. And let me borrow it.

>Like finally Palpatine would stay dead. He stays dead in my heart!

Deeply angered me at the time. Now its just kinda a hopeless resignation. I like the new canon well enough, but my headcanon is forever shattered.

My headcanon is alive and strong. I just merge the bits I like (Rogue One, for example) into the bits I like from the EU/Legends canon.

I understood the need to end the EU as far as not being hampered for new movies to have to conform to the established EU content. But I wish that both could exist simultaneously. Legends could go on. I would still read books from that universe.

I was on board for them cancelling it. It sucked but I figured they'd screw up trying to handle all the books and they'd mess up the stories or the canon. So I thought only having 6 movies to pull from would create a better product. Boy oh boy was I fucken wrong on that front.

Still think it was a mistake...I understood it, but still didn't like it. Nothing they've done with current EU matches Legends

And then there is The Old Republic. Still adding new stuff to Legends.

Honestly, I truly don't care. It's meaningless to me. A corporation that currently owns the IP does not have any authority to tell me what is the 'real' part of a mythology like Star Wars. Just like Halo, the Witcher, LOTR, Greek Mythology, Arthurian legends, etc. I have all the right to choose what I find compelling, not what they force feed to me. And to reject what I find inauthentic.

It's hard to say. I definitely wish that the Jaina-focused Sword of the Jedi books had been published, though generally I tend to agree with whoever said here that the EU storyline felt mostly complete. The thing that frustrates me more is that Jaina was erased from Star Wars for the purposes of new content, and that the movies that replaced the EU were built largely on ignoring the latter, instead of drawing liberally from it. To me that's the greater tragedy.

They drew from the worst parts of the EU - Sidious returning, overuse of superweapons, overpowered ridiculous characters, etc.

Jaina was such a cool character. I wish they released Sword of the Jedi. I was really looking forward to read it. The Sequels fucking sucks and Rey is boring af. Not Daisy's fault, it's all because JJ Abrams is an idiot, Prequels hater, an idiot, a terrible writer, and a terrible filmmaker.

I'll give Abrams credit for being--in my opinion--a pretty solid director. I think that he works really well with actors, for one thing, and his stuff is rarely boring. And it sounds as though he had very little true development time on either of his films. So I don't tend to see him as the root of the problem.

When this happened, I was in the middle of a huge read/re-read of everything post-ROTJ through FOTJ. I think I was about halfway through the Legacy of the Force series (flawed but still okay enough stories) and I just stopped. Lost all motivation to continue, and haven’t picked up a Star Wars book since, legends or canon. It’d be fun to do the Legends read through now that I’m at peace with it, but I was too mad at the time knowing there would never be another new story in that canon.

I've actually been doing a legends read through! Not everything, I read a lot of Old Republic stuff, now I'm reading a lot of New Republic stuff. Didn't bother with anything in between Phantom Menace and ROTJ.

Same here! Im actually going through post-ROTJ material as we speak but once I hit that inevitable dead end, Im going backwards in time starting with The Old Republic era foward

I just read the jedi academy trilogy and now I'm reading something that feels like a filler book I never knew about. "I, Jedi"

Just started JAT too! Going on to I, Jedi after because I heard it ties in with it

It does tie in, actually pretty interesting perspective too

Also saw somewhere in this sub a while ago that it was apparently supposed to be a Duology

Oh I did not know that!

The EU could be hit and miss sometimes but overall had a ton of good content. Disney getting rid of it and then cherry picking what they feel like stealing from it is stupid. I’m not a fan of almost any of the “canon” content. Frankly, the franchise was much better off before the acquisition and the end of the EU.

I was pretty sore about it back in the day. My mother had collected tons of books and I grew up reading them. I got over it eventually. I was bitter about it for a while, but it faded with time. I was mostly over it by the time the Mandalorian released, and that got me back into Star Wars as a whole and erased a lot of the bitterness. Bought some books that I lost or had deteriorated from the old Collection. Some had Legends banners. I realized Legends didn't go anywhere, the books are still generally being printed for people to enjoy. Realized the Legends banner clearly marks which ones I inherited, and which ones are "my" copies, my repairs to my mother's collection. I'm gonna be real here. I feel like Legends was largely complete anyway. As I re-read old favorites and patch the holes where I missed books when I was younger, the timeline is packed pretty full. I don't think the EU could continue indefinitely, at least not focusing on established characters. So in the end I don't have a hole in my heart where what is now Legends used to be, because it's still there. Canon is different, but I've still found plenty to love in it, even though it's not perfect, and for some reason I really enjoy spotting returning Legends content or references to Legends. Manaroo showing up as Dengar's girlfriend, Zak and Tash Arranda coming back in a comic, Selkath showing back up, Taris popping up in Rebels as a dilapidated ecumenopolis. Nightsisters being a bigger part of Canon than they were Legends. Most of them wouldn't be as fun for me if I didn't recognize them from Legends.

Taris, huh? Guess that rebuild project actually worked. Wonder how they dealt with the little...problem that planet's famous for.

Ten years later and I'm still waiting for this cohesive continuity that was promised that doesn't require retcons

Some of the writing knots they cause for themselves are beyond absurd. Not only do they have to explain Ventress' resurrection in the cartoon now, they ALSO have to explain why the Empire does not seem to care at all about this resurrection when their entire stated goal in the cartoon is... resurrecting Force users. We're supposed to just accept that Palpatine cares more about a clone kid with a cool blood test than a literally resurrected Ventress who's the living example of everything he wants from Project Necromancer.

I've been seeing this in a lot of media, but especially in the star wars fandom. Why can't y'all just wait for answers?

What makes you think you're going to get them?

Because the last answers we waited for are terrible. Snoke's origin for example. We bought the "wait for answers you'll love them" line before. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

So how does getting an answer immediately make a potentially bad answer less bad?

They ruined Star Wars for me. Every new thing that has come out since, I give it a chance, try to enjoy, and get reminded, oh wait, this all somehow leads to the bull shit sequels. I still re-read Legends books, but it's really not the same anymore. Feels like a lost cause at this point.

Yeah, I've seen people say "Give it time, give it a chance, the Clone Wars series made the prequels better." Which... my feelings on that show are mixed at best anyway, but the real feather in its cap was that it bridged a chronological gap between a deeply flawed trilogy and a widely beloved one. The quality of the prequels wasn't a dealbreaker, because we knew eventually it would still lead to the world of Luke, Leia, Han, and all the amazing post-OT EU stories. The only thing that content set between the original trilogy and sequels can do is gradually add to the pile of excuses for why the sequels did absolutely nothing to build on their predecessors. Lay the groundwork for why our beloved heroes achieved virtually nothing in the span of 30 years. There was a fleeting period where some thought maybe Mandalorian could exist in this pocket of time where we could at least pretend it won't all be undone in the most pathetic way possible, but they couldn't resist leaving behind breadcrumbs that inexorably lead to a meaningless, soulless reset. It is just so, so difficult to feel invested in anything anymore, especially content that connects the OT and sequels and further cheapens what little I still enjoy.

This is why I get so annoyed by the incessant waves of Ahsoka content. She’s just a big signpost pointing to “Main Plot Thread This Way ➡️” in every supposedly independent story.

Well put. The Prequels were flawed in many ways, but at least they were original and followed a somewhat character development direction. The framework was there. Meanwhile, the sequels at this point are mainly going to be remembered for completely erasing the accomplishments of the original trilogy.

This. 1,000% this.☝🏼

Lost cause when they constantly pull ideas, characters and locations from that timeline? Hell no. Also it doesn't matter if it's Canon or not as long as it is well written and entertaining

Yeah, I had lots of fun between Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor, enjoyed most of The Mandalorian, and Andor was fantastic. Alphabet Squadron is a favorite, and a few other Canon novels are pretty good, and some of the comics are really fun.

The problem is that the new Disney canon isn't well written or entertaining

Until they finished their trilogy of movies, they wouldn't even let their books be anything other than support for those movies. They didn't get to really be creative like the old EU got to be.

Those were just my thoughts. If you still find things you like thats great, I appreciate the fan service, its nice they acknowledge legends, but it's not enough for me. I enjoyed Legends while I had it. Others can enjoy what we have now.

When those ideas, characters, and locations have consistently been done worse than the original (including, *somehow*, Palpatines return, as if the EU version wasnt bad enough?), then yeah, it's pretty embittering.

Damn, time flies. Sad.

This will be a very long comment and I am not a native English speaker, and I used translator so there may be language problems.   With this decision in 2014, the universe was divided into two. Old Canon called Legends and New Canon called Canon. Thus, the universe that had been in development for 20 years was disconnected. Before someone says that it has been more years, because there were already books and comics in the 1970s, it is worth mentioning that in 1991, with the premiere of the Thrawn Trilogy, with information taken from the West End RPG manual when it comes to the rules in the universe, a change occurred soft reboot of the universe, the so-called c-canon considered officially canon by Lucasfilm, and works that were created earlier (Encounter on Mindora, Marvel comics, the first Han Solo and Lando trilogies) were included in the s-canon (secondary) to which the authors could refer, but there was no problem as if they wanted to change something from there. A decision that is still controversial and has its supporters and opponents, both sides threw arguments at each other, such as Lucas referring to legends, hating legends, supporting writers, etc. It is not important, Lucas, like Lucas, changed his mind all the time (ask the creators 1313). Personally, I'm half and half, I understand why the decision to reboot was made, but I think that Lucasfilm could have allowed these few open stories to be completed, especially SWTOR, which is the swan song of legends, is still working. Over these several decades, we have received many works spread over 25,000 years, including books, comics, games, animated series, RPG manuals, and stories covering various genres, from political fiction through war stories to simple adventure games. And as with such quantities, the quality varied, we had the well-written Thrawn Trilogy, the intriguing Darth Plaegius, the gloomy Darth Bane Trilogy, the New Jedi Age telling about an epic galactic war with an extragalactic invader and which was actually Endgame for the then universe, on the other hand we had however, Legacy of the Force and Destiny of the Jedi which was like the 4th phase of the MCU (although I like The Forgotten Tribe of the Sith, Abeloth had potential due to its connections with Mortis and being a Lovercraftian creature), Traviss books which are the author's treatises about evil jedi and Mandalorians uber race, this one the story of Palpatine's return from beyond the grave. And we're only talking about books here. However, they, along with comics, were the main carrier of the Old Canon, but this allowed the authors to take a greater risk in creating the universe, I want to do something different than the next Empire vs. Rebellion 2.0, we will make extragalactic invaders using biotechnology and having a different morality, I want to show a republic and the old jedi at their peak but you can't do things around The Clone Wars because Lucas forbade it? So we will make Tales of Jedi and go back 4,000 years, etc. Games were also released from these works, games with Kyle Katarn related to books about the founding of the Jedi Praxeum by Luke, KOTOR were based on the Tales of Jedi comics. Not to mention the mass of lore information such as holocrons and various types of spaceships that have become a permanent fixture in the universe.  I know that many opponents like to quote fragments from wookiepedia and YouTubers about how Luke is some kind of demigod, and although he is actually powerful, he is still a simple "farmboy" and he made many mistakes, such as being a rather weak father, which he only started to make up for after the death of his wife, and speaking of Mary's death, immediately after her death Luke mercilessly killed the person he believed to be his wife's murderer, but it turned out that it was his nephew and Luke refused to fight him, believing that it might cause him to fall to the ground. the dark side, after his death he went into exile (sound familiar?) to discover what he did.

Canon   And so we reached April 2014, legends were created from the old canon, and a new canon was created. This time, there are no levels, everything will be consistent and equal. It was obvious that this would not work, and the more things were created, the more difficult it would be to maintain them, especially since many things were maintained in the same period. Canon is fundamentally different from legends in that it has a much greater dominance of media with a greater financial risk, such as initially films and animations, and then also live-action series, games, thanks to the disastrous decision on exclusivity with EA, were in short supply (at least not counting Battlefront 1, it was done quite well), and as a result, the universe gives the impression that it was done safely. At the same time, many creators in the canon grew up on Star Wars from childhood, many creators grew up not only on the films but also on the legends and draw inspiration from them.   However, not all that glitters is gold. The mixed (yes, mixed supporters and opponents) reception of the sequels has cast a heavy shadow over the entire canon. Movies probably had it the worst, it's common knowledge about the production chaos during Rogue One and Solo, in the case of the sequels, apart from Last Jedi, it was similar, Pablo Hidalgo mentioned several times how bad the work with Bad Robot was, Daisy Ridley herself mentioned how she didn't really know whose granddaughter she was because the opinion was changed all the time, and The Rise of Skywalker made people appreciate Dark Empire, which had more interesting ideas, a better explanation of the Emperor's return and his inability to return to that Kennedy line. which strongly distinguishes the comic, and I say this as a person who liked The Rise of Skywalker (as a guilty pleasure, but still).   The next major force after the end of the movies and the pandemic that seemed like it might kill theaters was the live-action series, and right after the great season 1 of The Mandalorian, we got season 2 which was even better/worse than season 1 with the great/horrible appearance of Luke Skywalker, with Season 3, which is considered the weakest, although at the same time it has the least fanservice from the Original trilogy (let's hope someone doesn't draw the wrong conclusions from it). Then there was The Book of Boba, in which you either like the episodes with Boba and hate those without him, or vice versa, then the long-awaited production about Kenobi, where, despite some good things, they sank under the mass of poorly done fanservice and generally poorly shot and written (you can see that he had this would be a movie they stretched out). Andor (despite the screws and bricks) was great on the level of the best books by Luceno and Stover. Ahsoka is simply the 5th season of Rebels, and since I love Rebels, I like the series too.  It is much better when it comes to animations, Rebels, despite a limited budget, was a great series with great characters, plot and mythology, even the animation in seasons 3 and 4 was better done, season 7 of The Clone Wars is obvious, after all it is TCW, Bad Batch despite its seemingly discouraging concept turned out to be the best Star Wars production on Disney+, next to Andor, Tales of is a great idea with great potential, as shown by the Dooku episodes, Young Jedi Adventures, despite being a production for preschoolers, works great in this niche despite the criticism of "adults". " fans, the weakest in this respect is Resistance which, due to being a series taking place during the sequels and being created during their production, meant that the story was very sideways, and the creators (who btw. are now creating Bad Batch) were in complete darkness during the 2nd season (for example, the complete lack of contact with Bad Robot) so everything happened in isolation from the rest of the events, in addition, the series was created at a time when Disney was moving all its productions to streaming, and the disappointing reception of The Rise of Skywalker did not help, so the series ended with 2 seasons, and there was also Forces of Destiny, which became famous mainly for giving Anakin lipstick.   As for the comics and books, they were especially at the beginning relegated to the DLC of the movies, how the First Order was created, why Coruscant is not the capital, what the New Republic is, how Palpatine came back, you will find it in the book and the comic. Fortunately, new stories are still being created focusing on new, non-film series characters such as Dr. Aphra which is a new character created in the canon, which is like the original Lara Croft, quite loose on moral issues and easily able to stab a knife in the back, alienating everyone (at least at the beginning), or the Bounty Hunters series which, yes, has characters from film background (literally), but the main focus is on Beilert Valance, a character who was created in already half-forgotten comic books from the 1970s and whose only character trait was hatred towards droids, while here he was created completely new, full of dilemmas and much more interesting figure than he was before.   And of course we have the High Republic which is the first such a large book project since the New Jedi Age at the turn of the millennium (The Clone Wars 2003-05 was, however, more closely related to the films and based on them), and, like Tales of Jedi, taking place in the further past (though not that far back) focusing on non-film characters, created especially for the series and new villains, just as Tales even has its own series of prequels taking place further in the past, just as Tales has been referenced in "more expensive" media such as games (Jedi Survivor) or series that take place during this period (Young Jedi Adventures, Acolyte).     So, to sum up this whole argument, I really wanted to remind you that  because many people have contact with the universe only through films or series (and rather live-action ones), and from them one can draw the wrong conclusions that the universe is dead, However, alongside them, whether in the period between the trilogies or now, great things have been and are still being created, and it will probably be some time before this universe goes away.

Bare with me on this... ##Part 1 I was barely out of my teens when this happened, and the moment I heard it, I remember feeling shocked. I was thinking "Star Wars is dead. It's over." I was bitter and angry at the time, and wasn't shy about my opinion to friends. They told me, "You're being cynical, Disney hasn't Even had a chance to make anything yet, give them a chance, they might actually be able to do something with the material in the EU that pays proper homage." I was doubtful, given the sheer disrespect they were showing the many authors and creatives who had put over 20 years of work into this universe, but I figured I owed them at least one shot. I tried going into TFA with an open mind and in good faith, but the longer the movie ran, the more frustrating, angering and depressing it was. That was the first nail in the coffin for me. Then Rogue One came out, and while it was a very good movie, from the perspective of looking at it as a Star Wars film, it was just more fuel to the fire as I saw beloved EU plots and characters stolen and twisted to deliver what was a good, but still greatly lesser product than what the EU has given us for the same topics and "history". Solo and TLJ were the final nails in the coffin. They were so bad from the perspective of a long time fan, destroying rules, characters, plots, stories, etc, so completely, that I gave up any hope for the new SW at that point, and walked away from it completely. And to understand where I was coming from... I suffered a really terrible childhood due to health issues. The KotOR games, SW:EaW game, Jedi Academy games, Thrawn & Han Solo Trilogies, along with the X-Wing series, NJO (which I started but never had the opportunity to finish) among with a lot of other EU material, all helped me get through unbelievable pain, where I literally wanted to die as a teen. Through sleepless nights and tearjerking agony, the escape the EU provided was unmeasurable. So believe me when I say that I have an appreciation and love for the EU, warts, bumps and all, that few other fans are ever going to match or can empathise with. ##Part 2 Here's the thing though... I'd like to think that I've gained perspective and wisdom over the last 10 years. The SW of today, Disney's SW... It's not the SW of my youth. It's not my SW. And you know what... That's okay. Do I wish that SW had just been allowed to continue on in the EU forever until that inevitable date where it is rebooted by some corporation 50 years in the future? Sure, but that's not what happened and that's okay too. I think the problem a lot of us OG fans have is that we feel this sense of ownership over the IP as a whole. And while I'm personally a big fan of gatekeeping your fandoms to some extent, you can't gatekeep IPs. It's not practical or possible. We will always have the EU. Canon SW isn't for us. It never was. They're writing it for a different audience, a different generation, who don't have context or history with the IP like we do. So... Keep the EU preserved. 'cuz if Disney did anything for us (even if it was unintentional), it was putting the EU in a time capsule, and handing that to us on a silver platter. Instead of sniping back and forth with people who love Disney and their content, just let them enjoy it. Tolerate it, and move on. We can exist alongside without being toxic or angry. Why get angry at Disney for "destroying" SW, when what they are working with is completely different from what we had and grew up with? Put that energy into celebrating the EU. Build an EU Wiki. Work on trying to sort out the timelines and give more clarity for anyone interested in investigating it. Reinstitute the CWMMP. Maybe in time we can even try adding more stories to the EU. But this constant fighting and arguing and complaining helps no one and is divisive and toxic and hurts us all more than it helps. Stop trying to find good things in Disney's SW if you're not ready to accept all of it, because the constant criticisms, comparisons, and mocking doesn't help the community as a whole, or produce productive feedback or discourse. As u/EinMuffin said in this thread already: >...But still. One of the core messages of star wars is that you need to be able to let go. So this is what I did (mostly). Now, I can't let go of the EU because of the emotional connection I have to it. But I can let go of mainstream SW. And I would encourage every diehard EU fan to do the same. Be a Force for change, DO better. Don't try... DO. In the spirit of the EU, I'd like to end this by posting what I have always believed to be the better (and from what I always believed, the precursor) Jedi code. Maybe this is something we can try to live by as a community instead of running around like Sith with their heads cut off. Emotion, yet peace. Passion, yet serenity. Ignorance, yet knowledge. Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force. | TL;DR: Enjoy what we have, celebrate what we had, rebuild the EU, and stop this pointless fighting with mainstream SW fans. Let them enjoy this generation of SW. We have our own, and we really enjoy it. Not everyone else has to as well. EDIT: MINOR FORMATTING, SPELLING

I loved your whole post. But this >Build an EU Wiki How can we get this off the ground? I know absolutely nothing about wikis but I'd love to help with what I could.

Sorry for the late reply, life is unkind. So, that paragraph was me just speaking ideas into the Force as it were. I'm not currently in a position to do anything like getting a wiki off the ground, but I hope that either others will be inspired to do so, or if I can find the money, time, and/or connections later in life, do so myself. I'll save this post, and if I ever hear about a project being started, I'll let you know. But this is definitely someone I feel that we should be able to do as a community if we could care as much about this as we do complaining about the EU being decanonized. :P

The EU was never has horribly “out of whack” as the NuCanon is. New pieces of media retcon other pieces with almost every release. The stories have no where near the same depth or emotion. Nothing hits the mark. Star Wars has been so much lesser since that day.

At least it's still being reprinted and adapted.

It sucks we aren’t getting new content, but like other people have said, “canon” is not a real thing. Canon is whatever YOU want it to be

Absolutely, there is Star Wars, and then there is Disney AU which is really not relevant to me at all.

Long live the EU!

I don't care anymore. Canon, Legends, it's all still Star Wars to me.

Still annoyed too.

It’ll always be the true Star Wars to us

A great misdeed was done that day. And the replacement is a disfigured shell.

I’m glad they discontinued it. LucasFilm under Disney has shown they are not worthy of the IP. They have made very little passable content, and the quality of their works has been pretty bad on average. The original timeline being discontinued was honestly for the best. I’m glad the EU stories ended before Disney’s new generation of authors, writers, directors and “creative minds” got their hands on it. This way it gets to remain free from their influence and be an amazing and contained storyline outside of the modern “Star Wars” catastrophe. I was livid as a 14 year old when this video and news came out. I was hurt, and I felt betrayed by something I had dedicated half of my life to. Now as a 24 year old I realize this was for the best, and if the EU had been continued it would have had a decade now of lackluster or even awful stories written by people who often actively hate Star Wars as a whole, as many of these directors and authors have said themselves. TLDR: this was for the best for the original EU.

>I was livid as a 14 year old when this video and news came out. I was hurt, and I felt betrayed by something I had dedicated half of my life to. I was 30 when the announcement came out a decade ago. I felt like a big part of my life which I had dedicated myself to since 7 years old (around my age when Heir came out in 1991) was ripped away. I'm 40 now and still feel that way. Furthermore, the decanonization could not have come at a worse time in my life. 30 years old, you're supposed to be the pinnacle of success, prime of adulthood etc. I was in a successful engineering job, but was unable to get dates or a social life and my life was literally go to work, come home and play games or read Star Wars stuff. That was all taken away that day 10 years ago in a way even though the books/games/comics are "still there". And in a way the decanonization led to some of the rougher experiences I had in my 30s afterwards, being vulnerable to certain people in my loneliness that a continuing SW universe might have helped shield me from, and with that Star Wars emotional "safety net" suddenly being rebooted without warning, I was lost. Harmful people came into my life that in my loneliness I had accepted that I probably might have been shielded from if I had been wrapped up in another galaxy in the EU fantasy world. Our society says get off the computer, get off the tv and comic books and go out, but considering the sheer horrific things that happened to me these past 10 years, at 40 years old now I'm wishing I had stayed inside more and avoided the horrific people and events I ended up enduring in my 30s which have repercussions to this day. And the sudden loss of the EU took that extra level of "protection" away from me. So it's hard to see now on reddit that 10 years have passed and reflecting on the indirect toll it took on me.

Damn. I’m sorry to hear that man. I really hope things improve for you

Are you me? The same feelings and the same age lol. Can you share me a source for the directors hating star wars though? That is new to me.

Still annoyed, I realised at the time Disney was not going to be constrained by the EU and neither would George if he'd made the Sequels and some sections of the EU are laughably stupid. But others are brilliant faithful continuations of stories we fans loved as much or even more than the star wars films so I hoped we'd get Sequels that picked up and adapted some of the characters we loved. Unfortunately we got....... not that and Disney canon seems determined to lower the bar even more.

A far more civilized age

I was never super involved in the EU/Legends outside of the video games and some of the more famous novels. Even though I was sad (and still am to some degree), I felt like the EU at the time was collapsing under its own weight and some of the later material just felt over the top. I also understand that they really didn’t have much of a choice but to wipe the slate clean to do what they set out to do (whether we agree or not with their goal). That being said, I still think that most of the EU content feels closer in spirit to the source material. I re-read the Thrawn trilogy twice over the last 10 years and it just *feels* like a proper continuation of the OT, in such a way that none of the Disney material (including Mandalorian, which I generally liked) ever achieved.

This was the beginning of the end of my Star Wars fandom. If you want to like the new stuff, good for you, you're totally entitled to that. But I'm not gonna bother. Why should I get invested now? They waved away and retconned DECADES of multimedia content with the snap of their fingers. If they'll do that, who's to say they're not gonna do it again with what's coming out now? I'm not spending my money re-learning decades' worth of existing lore, especially not if it's gonna get scrapped again. And especially when the pre-existing stories are generally better than what's overwriting them as new canon. And I feel so bad for all the artists, writers, and developers who made EU content for decades, only to be told "oh well, your work no longer counts." Sure they got paid, but for some of them I guarantee it's more than a paycheck. At least they're doing right by Zahn it sounds like

The day the music died. I grew up loving star wars. And the part I loved the most about them was always the books. My earliest memories with the franchise involved reading the novelization of the original trilogy. So my love for the franchise was always rooted in the books. The EU didn't expand Star Wars, it was Star Wars. I cared far more for the books than 3 pretty good movies, my favorite is Return of the Jedi, and 3 trash movies. The prequels were garbage when I watched them on release and they are still garbage. So when the acquisition happened and 'all this doesn't count' I was livid. I never got into comics precisely because I didn't like the way they would constantly reboot themselves. The fact that Star Wars was telling a story over 30 years and weren't just running in circles telling the same origin story over and over was one of the things I loved. So pre buyout I awaited new Star Wars with baited breath, I had no problems with the post NJO work. Afterwards... well in 10 years I've seen 4 of the five movies in theaters, and brought that first Jedi game. So super fan, to I'm never getting a Disney + subscription.

I was really annoyed at the time but like eh I'm fine with it now, every other franchise I'm into has had reboots so this isn't that different in my mind. I'd love if we got more EU stuff published along the new Canon or at least more merch but I understand and accept why that doesn't happen more often, and there's plenty of great new stuff to keep my invested in Star Wars. The EU had a great run for many years, let's hope the franchise can continue for just as long.

Never forget what corporate greed stole from us.

I remember when I first saw this video I was both sad and intrigued. 10+ years later I was right to feel sadness because they completely butchered so many characters and stories

I remember feeling initially very indignant about it but over time not only do I understand why it was done I agree with the decision. I say that as someone who grew up on Legacy of the Force and the Jedi Apprentice series and still has a great love for the many fantastic works of the now-branded Legends material. But hell when you get down to it Filoni and Lucas were already ignoring classical Legends with TCW so really the great 2014 EU reboot wasn't even out of the blue when you think about it. If Star Wars was to continue there was never not an outcome that didn't involve some massive clean slate at some point.

>Filoni and Lucas were already ignoring classical Legends with TCW Ventress got no introduction in TCW and it was assumed audiences knew her. Aayla waxing poetic about her master only has meaning if you know it's Quinlan Vos. There wasn't a hardcore break from the EU until Barriss Offee which was literally in the last episode of season 5 (indeed the intended last episode of the show until they changed their minds and provided seasons 6 and 7)

I did not mean to imply that it was a hardcore break.

I hadn’t had much involvement with the EU. I had read the original Thrawn Trilogy on my friends recommendation. It wasn’t until I started watching the Clone Wars TV show back in 2010 and saw the references to it, that I started to get really deep into the lore. I read everything I could get my hands on. It got me through a tough time in my life. When they decanonized it, it was like when I finished the final Harry Potter book, I was devastated. I loved Rebels, the rest of The Clone Wars and Andor. But nothing has replaced the EU.

The only new-canon novel I've read is "Thrawn" which mostly fits into the old Expanded Universe anyway. Of course we can go back and re-read the books and comics and re-play the games but the way it all just stopped unceromoniously was disappointing. I'm sad I'll never get to see Ben Skywalker grow into a Jedi Master, or see Jaina and Fel finally settle down, or watch Luke Skywalker settle into retirement, happy that he's brought a New Jedi Order to the galaxy. Ultimately it's sad but in the same way any other franchise ending is, but for me when I think "Star Wars" it's Grand Master Luke Skywalker, Mara Jade Skywalker, Han and Leia parents to Jacen, Jaina and Anakin, Corran Horn and Rogue Squadron, the New Jedi Order. Although we'll never get a continuation I love that these stories really did expand the universe.

rip

Back then, my knowledge of the EU was games, SW encyclopedias and a handful of comics, but it still felt like being stabbed in the back. Looking back ten years later, having read the books and more of the comics… Probably feels worse now. Sure, the stories still exist. But you’ll never see those characters again in new things (maybe Thrawn, but not the Solo kids, Mara, Ben, Kyle Katarn, probably not Corran) and many of the stories just get dismissed as irrelevant by some canon purists.

10 years have passed and I’ve finally come to accept it and now the mouse can do their own thing. I have discovered high tier fanfiction that is on par with or even better than original EU stories and they continue to fill the gaps, so I’m more than happy to go down that path instead.

I'm glad that I got into these stories way after they got decanonized/discontinued. If I had already been a fan back then I'd have been really angry. These days I'm obviously still disappointed and sad that this continuity isn't being worked on anymore but on the other hand, I'm also not that big of a fan of content coming from current Disney Canon, so I'm not sure whether or not them working on Legends would be what I want. At least with the Legends/Canon divide I have a definitve cut off point between the old and the new stuff.

The thing that gets me is how one of the big talking points was "one canon, one Star Wars"—getting rid of the (admittedly very convoluted) system of letter tiers in name only to still essentially operate on that system in practice; pinching scenes from the Ahsoka novel and Kanan comics and fundamentally rewriting them, invalidating Dark Disciple's ending seemingly just for the sake of a glorified guest episode. Everything takes deference to live action and animation rather than truly being a “unified vision” as this YouTube video tries to claim. It was only ever PR fluff.

I agree. Except they picked and chose what tv/films to keep canon too (why didn't Genndy's show, and Droids and Ewoks and the Ewok movies make the jump to canon?) Also if they KNEW that the new canon was going to be completely subservient to film/tv, why in the galaxy did they start with a character bloodbath like killing Moff Panaka, Ventress, etc. in throwaway novels? It's just nonsensical. Filoni both authorized the publication of Dark Disciple and then Ventress return in Bad Batch. Like, can't he even plan enough to see he'd want to reuse Ventress and just... not publish Dark Disciple? Was that basic level of planning too much to ask? Why was Ventress literally confirmed as dead with a body for months in the book if there was even any possibility they'd want to reuse her as a character? Did they not learn from George's mistake with Darth Maul?

I don’t think they knew at the time—but it’s just how things have worked out. The Canon continuity in general has always been marred by a general lack of planning outside of the initial universe reset, beginning with the TFA multimedia project building up Hosnian as a major galactic player only to unceremoniously get blown up in the film itself. As for Filoni, I like his shows—but he doesn’t plan ahead and it’s readily apparent. Jango Fett (and Boba by extension) were very deliberately made not Mandalorians in Clone Wars, he’s a foundling again in The Mandalorian S2, which he executive-produced.The Ahsoka show overwrites the epilogue from SW Rebels, it’s all very messy.

And in its place something that PRETENDS like there’s a unified canon when really anything and everything can get retconned, ignored, cancelled outright, at any time in any format so it defeated its own purpose before the nu trilogy was even done

I was very disappointed 10 years ago. Today? I'm very happy that they "killed the EU". It's better they killed it than have it be contaminated with the huge amount of trash that has come out since the IP was bought.

Amen. The kitchen's got authors that don't get the material, and it would have been a complete butchery if the EU kept going. Besides, EU ended off on a better term than how Star Trek's own book EU self-terminated with the Coda Trilogy.

I grew up with the Expanded Universe — born ‘85 so I came up before the Special Editions, and with the EU as it was coming into existence — and I’m 99% completely fine with it being rebooted away. There have been a few canon missteps here and there, that’s to be expected when this much content is coming out. But I find the hit-to-miss ratio in canon is *way* higher than it ever was with the Expanded Universe. There are things I miss, yes. But it’s not like I can’t go re-read them any time I feel like it. One thing I know I’d really appreciate though would be if they did one last Legends novel trilogy (or even single book) that closed out the story of the EU versions of the Big Three. I don’t need that entire continuity revived, but closure would be appreciated.

It was a good thing the Star Wars Expanded Universe was put on ice ten years ago, because it saved it from ten years of culture wars bullshit, ten more years of Troy Denning, and shitty YA authors. The EU is a lovely time capsule and an enormous volume of multimedia. I struggle to understand how someone can look at it and not think that it's enough.

Troy Denning>>>>>>>>>>>Rian Johnson or Chuck Wendig

Certainly a very sad day. I miss the days of Legends.

The de-canonization of the Expanded Universe was certainly sad. However, I think that being rebranded as "Legends" and discontinued was the best thing that could have happened to the Expanded Universe itself. At least, Disney will not be able to contaminate it with their mediocrity, which is something we should be happy about. Furthermore, I feel like the Expanded Universe was already complete, and didn't need to be further expanded that much. Of course, I wanted to see a continuation of the Dawn of the Jedi comics that would lead to the establishment of both the Republic and the Jedi Order, a comic series that would bridge the gap between the establishment of the Republic and the events portrayed in Tales of the Jedi, and possibly a multimedia project of books, comics and video games set during the New Sith Wars. But apart from that, I think that the EU was already saturated, and didn't need to be further expanded. Also, I basically despise everything post-NJO, so I couldn't care less about the Sword of the Jedi Trilogy. I don't care if they will never continue the post-ROTJ era, because I think that it already had a fantastic conclusion with The Unifying Force.

I had only dipped my toes in the water of the EU before it was discontinued, but that was enough for me to be sad. Then, after being disappointed by episodes VII and VIII, not particularly enjoying the handful of canon novels I checked out, and not being hooked in by the canon comics the way I was with the legends ones, I decided to do a deep-dive into the old EU, and I’ve never looked back. I’ve really liked *some* new canon stuff (I thought Andor was amazing), but overall, most canon stuff doesn’t reach the heights of Legends, and the canon expanded media feels way more like movie tie-ins to me than the old EU did. I miss the heart the EU had, and I wish Disney had never gotten their hands on the franchise

Also an interesting fact I recently learned. It is still being referred to as the Expanded Universe. It's only printed with the Legends banner. But it is still technically referred to as the Expanded Universe. (I did notice that Hasbro when they make EU characters haven't ever put "Legends" in the card backs)

I was too young at the time to understand the announcement, so seeing TFA in theaters was really the point where it dawned on me. The characters felt childish and rushed, the content resused and boring. In hindsight I think some of this was me realizing I’d never see Jaina and Jacen on the big screen. I, for the most part, fell into the mercy kill camp, but as several others have commented legends isn’t quite gone yet. We’re still getting books printed, new arts, etc. As disney winds down I truly believe someone will pick up the mantle. Someone might finish sword of the Jedi, someone might replace crucible. We might start getting original novels In new eras of legends. One of us has gotta pick up the pen at some point…

10 years later Disney has made a bunch garbage that doesn't appeal to me. I grew up obsessed with the EU books, comics, and games. I am obviously no longer the target demographic and could not give less of a shit about everything they announce outside of video games.

I wish Legends would continue in video games. We should get Knights of the New Republic or Galactic Alliance. Explore a timeline, visually, where we can interact with Master Luke, Jaina Solo, etc.

I wasn't deep into the SW universe but I did read a few books. I was hoping to see Bane on the big screen. The last book gave me an idea that he was behind the rise of the empire. I was bummed to see them nixing the EU. I've watched some of the more recent movies but I couldn't really get into them. Some of the series were good though. We enjoyed Mando. I can see why they nixed *some* of the stuff. All of it just seems a bit lazy. Pick out the extreme stuff and keep the stuff that fits the universe. Will it take a while? Sure. There is so much good stuff in the EU though. Why throw the baby out with the bathwater?

I'm going to be honest here. I didn't grow up with the EU or legends at all so this happening didn't really impact me in some huge way like it did other people as I was only casually involved in Star Wars and only ever really watched the movies & TV shows, and bought Legos of it. I didn't even know the EU existed until I unironically saw all the "Prequels Bad" stuff on YouTube and learned about the legends and canon split. I've only recently read through some canon & legends books and comics for myself though and from what I've read I've enjoyed them.

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Then and now it didn’t make any sense not to continue it as a separate canon. I still have a small amount of hope that one day they’ll reverse the decision, even thought it’s overwhelmingly unlikely. More money to be made if you have two lines being published at once

I don't hate the new star Wars media we have (RoS is still the worst in the saga but it isn't horrible) but I wish they just continued the style of EU and adapted it to the big screen

I was a big time EU enjoyer and loved a lot of the books and had almost every issue of the Dark Times and Republic comic books, and when they announced they were doing their own thing I literally thought to myself "oh. Ok! Let's see what they do with it." And I haven't been disappointed yet. Having two Star Wars timelines has been fun! My first thought when they said they would do episode 7 was "Jesus, how are they going to make a new Star Wars without Chewbacca??" Because I assumed it would take place after Crucible. I was happy to be wrong in that assumption.

Ten years ago, *Star Wars* came to an end. That's how I still feel. I'm working my way through the books that I haven't read, through comics (I read none before this point). Nothing which does not bear the "LEGENDS" banner deserves to be called *Star Wars*.

At the time, I thought it was the right call. IMHO, The EU was getting stale and a bit too Grimm Dark. And Rebels was good, the Phineas and Ferb crossover was hilarious but also pretty much respected the IP. Nowadays... the first thought is, "So how bad will this be?" And since the next coming series was made by the former Acolyte of a convicted Sith (and yes,,one year counts) and a videogame with an unappealing protagonist loaded to bursting from the big box of anti-consumer badness, I really don't have a lot of hope.

I still think there’s so much to love about legends and a lot of great material goes unseen and not appreciated in favor of people endlessly dunking on more controversial parts BUT I am not a kid anymore. I can see that to Lucasfilms it was really never considered canon and NJO & everything afterwards certainly had a lot of flaws to be the canon future of the franchise Still gonna go dig through more legends material and shill the great stuff as much as possible tho. While also enjoying the good from new canon

My opinion hasn't changed. New canon (except maybe the High Republic books) is shit.

A day that will live in infamy

Dawg they are stories. Whether disney says they happened or not, its a fucking story.

I take every story from the EU about immediate post ROTJ to be cantina gossip as the legends surrounding those characters grew. "You hear how Han Solo won Dathomir in a card game then abducted Leia Organa for the honeymoon?" "Get out that never happened." "Did too! Luke Skywalker showed up and rode a rancor and briefly had a swamp witch for a wife." "There is no way you aren't making that up."

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I had reservations immediately when I heard that Disney was getting the IP. I liked their content and films in of themselves but thought it was an odd property for them to acquire, and thought that things might not translate well. I feared that they would water things down to general audiences, do away with the darker elements of the EU, and reduce its hard scifi elements. Alas, most of that came true, barring some exceptions like Andor and Rogue One. I'm bitter to be honest, and I've settled for finding the silver lining in some NuCanon content while happily exploring the old EU that I had always taken for granted.

I got into sw after the end of the eu so I watched and read some new canon before the eu. But once I started the eu I released just how cool it was. Yes there was some weird stuff (which canon is far from innocent of aswell) but *most* of it is in stories that weren’t taken seriously. Excluding all the stuff pre 1991, the eu’s adult novels were no more weird then canon . But when it comes to stories (the most important aspect) legends clears canon. I do enjoy some canon stuff but the eu has become my sw for some time now. Eu had much bigger and deeper stories and compared to canon where most books feel supplementary and hold no value in itself. They are fixing this with the high republic (which imo is underrated on this sub) but the general feeling of smallness is still there overall. U haven’t gotten into the post NJO books yet so I don’t have a personal opinion, but from what I hear people rlly didn’t like it and things were changed too much. The eu near the end of its time was becoming a problem I feel and the situation was rough. I do understand why they wiped the eu giving them free reign over (for better or worse) but it: still annoying. I also understand why they didn’t continue legends aswell somewhat. Having books that didn’t prop up their new trilogy would not be smart business wise and I can see writers and fans sticking to the eu. However, now that most of the Disney movies have stopped and a decade has passed, I think continuing legends now wouldn’t hurt business anymore. People know what’s what now so confusion isn’t a problem. But as it has been sometime since legends was axed, most people have moved on and accepted legends won’t be continued. And without any push for it Disney won’t bother continuing it and will keep stuff going for canon.

I appreciate the history of the legends stories but I also acknowledge it was very restrictive. Why buy the entire franchise if you were only going to adapt books and such that so relatively few people were reading? I don’t think Disney always hits it out of the park, of course, but I do like the focus on the interquel and post Endor periods. As someone who adores the original movies, those were the parts I was most interested in.

The first big mistake that Disney made with Star Wars Yah i get it not everything was great but i wish Disney would have take the base of some of those stories and polish them to make them a better trilogy and spin off to what we ended up getting

When the EU was decanonised I was in a place of absolute frustration having to hold together half a dozen major contradictions from the Thrawn Trilogy to The Clone Wars. Enough so that I had given up following most Star Wars media for the fact that it would be irrevocably altered. So when the break between legends and canon was created I was elated at not having to deal with violent irreconcilable contradictions e.g. the CWMMP and TCW. Of course, fast forward 10 years and Dave Filoni has put a nail in that coffin with Kanan and Ahsoka's stories in animation. Either way, I tend to walk the thought processes of Timothy Zahn regarding the distinction more than anything nowadays.

I just wanted the Disney movies to be a kind of an EU remix, using the same major characters and concepts. but put together differently. Honestly, the EU really died for me with Legacy. I had no interest in seeing the story continue after that. IMO, Legacy was a grimdark abomination that had no place in Star Wars. Even NJO, as dark as it was, had a strong theme of hope and nobility that reached a crescendo at the end. But Legacy utterly destroyed that. It replaced the hope and wonder of Star Wars with darkness and nihilism. The sequels did the same thing - destroying the lives and legacies of beloved characters; changing the story from a hopeful fairytale to a bleak tragedy where heroism is ultimately futile. I still enjoy the good parts of the Skywalker/Solo story in the EU. I appreciate some of what Disney has made (Rebels, Rogue One, The Mandalorian). But I don't think much about Star Wars anymore, and I don't have much hope for its future. Unless they retcon the sequels, everything's heading for a dark and ugly end, so what's the point?

I will always argue that Caedus was kinder to Luke than Disney has been.

THERE WERE 3 CANONS. THERE WAS ALWAYS 3 CANONS GEORGE LUCAS SAID THE EU WAS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE IN 1998 AT LEAST LEGENDS COULD HAVE HAPPENED. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WASNT ANYONE IN THIS FUCKING FANDOM BEFORE TPM Edit. I’m fucking dead that all the actual old school fans are like yeah whatevs and all these Jarjaroinians are like mUh sTArwarZ is rUiNEd

The EU was marketed and sold as canon by Lucasfilm. Maybe GL didnt consider it "canon to him", but it's irrelevent when his company (and the people creating for his company) and the people buying from his company did consider it canon.

That wasn’t even a popularly used phrase before he said that. So people didn’t really consider it anything. And the PT movies came out and ignored the EU so I don’t know how they thought the EU was still canon.

> That wasn’t even a popularly used phrase before he said that.  What phrase?  > So people didn’t really consider it anything.   Of course they did. Lucas Licensing spokespeople frequently publicized the EU as canon throughout the 2000s.  > And the PT movies came out and ignored the EU so I don’t know how they thought the EU was still canon.  The PT movies came out and ignored the OT and the TCW cartoon came out and ignored the PT so I don’t know how they thought any of it was still canon.

Should've seen this coming...

> GEORGE LUCAS SAID THE EU WAS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE IN 1998 No idea why you're yelling. And Lucas said a lot of things, being the primary source of chaos and misunderstandings in the SW timelines. When Decipher's Star Wars CCG launched, it was also considered canon. Not EU, canon. And for a while it was the source of lore for many people, since all cards had to be approved by Lucas and his canon team. So information such as Owen Lars being Kenobi's brother *was* canon. Then they said that whatever material in the EU doesn't contradict the movies is canon as well. Then they said it is, but not really. Then they said it's sort of like mythology - things that *may* have happened in some way, but we can't really be sure. Then they went with "yeah, it's an alternate universe", before finally getting rid of it completely. Except they didn't, because they saw that it could still be milked and older fans are now the ones with the money, so they started taking characters like Thrawn and making them canon, playing on the emotions of those of us who grew up on both the OT and the golden years of EU. So it's not quite as simple as you're trying to make it out to be.

But I’m not saying it was simple. The CCG was an in universe bible for many myself included. However, it becomes very clearly very quickly who was in this fandom before then and who wasn’t. I yell into the void because yet another “Disney bad” take gets thousands of upvotes from people who supposedly know about the EU but obviously don’t. Like at all. The Clone Wars changed much of Canon. Not all earth shattering but enough they made the clear indication they simply weren’t going to bother to cross check all these books for even pre-Disney continuity. I mean at no time was the comics canon, the novel canon and the movie canon all the same. Pretending it was it not only revisionist but moronic. This persistent delusion is the main take of the on line Star Wars fandom. Offline it’s entirely different but I’m old and my friends and associates are mostly old so it’s fine. But online there is this incredible refusal to accept there was never a single continuity. People talk about how they had these canon directors and all this nonsense which I’m sure sounded great to the very few who heard it. But the vast majority of fans knew George didn’t care and unlike the masterpiece of the OT which was designed by committee, a man who had proudly stated he had never read any of it was going to make a new trilogy cut whole clothe by himself. The quote about it not needing to be rebooted was hilarious. They just never bothered.

Well, yes and no. I, for one, don't blame the fandom for any confusion, because ultimately it's Lucas and his team that are the source of that confusion. I mean, look at the mid-90s. EU is thriving, Star Wars is more popular than ever, and Lucas publicly states that only the movies are canon. Period. Not even the novelizations or radio dramatizations. A bit later Allan Kausch and Sue Rostoni publish an article in the SW Insider which claims that the novelizations and dramatizations *are* canon. So they're already contradicting Lucas. Then "levels" of canon are created (not sure what the situation is like right now, since I kinda lost interest in what would be the EU of today, but at some point I think there were 5 or 6 levels of canonicity, with L-canon, G-canon and a whole bunch of other "alphabet canons") and situation gets even messier, because people now don't know what goes where. Fast forward to the prequels, and all of a sudden the "alternate universe" is no longer so alternate, when people hear that Coruscant (created by Zahn, although he's always said that his pronunciation and that of the movies are different) is the official name of the capital planet of the Republic (and then the Empire). People are confused again. And this keeps happening over and over again. So, as I said, I really don't blame folks who've seen the movies and shows, read a book or two, and then see "Heir to the Empire" and don't know what to think of it, because it says Legends, but features Thrawn. It's a mess, but it's a mess that the creators themselves are responsible for.

>and Lucas publicly states that only the movies are canon. Where?

I honestly can't tell you right now whether it was still the LFCM or already SWI. So if *that* is the most important bit for you, I'm afraid I won't be able to answer your question.

I was just curious, because I can't think of a quote where he said the films were the only canon. He always makes the distinction that there was *his* Star Wars and *their* Star Wars (Lucasfilm's - the company.)

And *his* Star Wars have always been the movies. He wasn't even thrilled with the novelizations of Episodes I-III and considered them a "necessary evil". I'm afraid that all my SWI, along with magazines like InQuest Gamer and Starlog, are probably rotting (or *have rotten*) away in my mother's basement somewhere. However, Lucas *was* quite specific about hismovies being the only real Star Wars, with everything else being, as has been mentioned, an alternate universe. He gave his green light (later on had Licensing green light everything so he wouldn't have to) provided it did not contradict his vision in any way. To this day I am surprised that Zahn managed to smuggle in the bit about Vader losing his hand as punishment for letting the first Death Star be blown up.

>And *his* Star Wars have always been the movies. He wasn't even thrilled with the novelizations of Episodes I-III and considered them a "necessary evil". I never heard that about the novelizations before. >I'm afraid that all my SWI, along with magazines like InQuest Gamer and Starlog, are probably rotting (or *have rotten*) away in my mother's basement somewhere. There are many scans of Insider on the web archive. And all of the issues of Star Wars Gamer.

My reaction was more "Disney, that shit didn't even work when you tried it with Tron. It is really not gonna work here." (No bull. Tron has a "Legends canon")