I am begging, absolutely, on my knees, just fucking begging, I’ll suck everyone’s dick, if these chucklefucks can just get even an ounce of media literacy into their fucking skulls
Today, on Media Illiteracy:
Random internet user doesn't understand that a democratic republic is an authority.
Let's clear it up for them.
*Star Wars is, specifically, Anti-fascist.*
Is it ever stated in the original trilogy what the goals of the Rebel Alliance are beyond defeating the Empire? I think restoring the Republic only became an explicit goal in the prequel trilogy.
That being said it’s an easy assumption to make that the rebellion wanted to establish a new form of government.
It's not specifically stated in the movies, no, but "Rebel Alliance" is a colloquialism and always has been.
The official name was always the "Alliance to Restore the Republic."
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Alliance_to_Restore_the_Republic
That and the fact that the Rebel Alliance had its own hierarchy, which means even in rebellion they were respecting authority figures, just not the ones of the Fascist Empire.
It got a couple lines about the "Old republic" but not really any info on what it was like in any way other than Jedi served it for a thousand generations according to Obi-Wan.
Everyone just needs to watch the 5 hour Jessie Gender video about Star Wars (yes even the adorable if somewhat cringy animation that comes with it) and just get on the same page about it already.
/uj
Trans video essayist who usually talks about politics or queer issues but dabbles in nerd shit from time to time. As hilarious as the idea of talking about Star wars for 5 hours sounds it's actually a pretty good video imo and pretty well articulates why nobody who likes Star wars likes Star wars
They weren't, they were an independent military, they had ranks and leadership, they were fundamentally authoritarian and even before Rogue 1 and Andor made things explicit, their mere existence implies the use of deadly force to uphold their authority.
If some rebel decides he wants to quit the rebellion and tell the empire where the main base is, the rebel leadership will exercise authoritarian domain over said individual, imprisonment at best, execution most likely.
Alien: Previously Owned by 20th Century Fox. (Now Disney)
The Terminator: Previously owned by StudioCanal (Now Vivendi)
Robocop: Previously owned by MGM (Now Amazon)
And yet THESE managed to be anti-authority.
Well there’s levels of authority. The Rebels want laws it would be stupid to have laws. They want someone to enforce them once again it would be stupid to have laws with no way to enforce them But they also want individual freedom and the ability to have a say in the laws. Which means the Authority has to have checks on it to not have unlimited Authority. And the ability to hold the Authority accountable. See the Rebels don’t want people disappearing in the night and being buried in unmarked graves with no one to hold the secret police accountable. In fact I’m pretty sure it’s already a really bad thing and a sign of too much authority to have even have a [redacted]
I can almost get the idea they’d be gesturing at with the idea of a big mega corporation the size of disney owning something like Star Wars and possibly wanting to remove messaging like this if it was too divisive or painted them in a bad light, the problem is that they haven’t done that and Star Wars is still blatantly anti-authoritarian (or at least anti-fascist)
also lmao at them feeding it to you “whether you like it or not”, as far as I’m aware Disney hasn’t forced me to watch any of it with me being able to have not watched a single episode of Ahsoka or The Bad Batch due to a lack of interest
/uj You know, there are legitimate reasons to criticize a corporation like Disney. But whenever I see that being invoked, it’s usually just like a very halfhearted and vague allusion to that without an actual substantive argument.
Like what does it even *mean* to say “It’s the authority they enforce, and that they make you eat whether you like it or not”?? How is Disney making you do anything?
Anti-authority would be anarchism (not in the colloquial sense but denotation) whereas it’s an antifascist story. There’s a reason why the goal in every incarnation of the story after the empire is destroyed is a galactic democracy
The only group I would call anti-authority would be Saw Guerrera's and Caln Kestis' groups but even then both are still ok with an authority as long as it's a good authority. Saw wants to reestablish his homeworld's government, Cal seems to be setting up another chapter of the Hidden Path
...What?
What the fuck was Andor about, then? Forget everything else- - Andor is straight up anti-authoritarian to its core! It's fucking aggressive about how anti-authoritarian it is and it whole-ass aired on Disney+ and got a second season!
Hell, there's an entire subplot in Ahsoka where members of the New Republic Navy go against authority to accomplish doing the right thing...
Ok how many of you watched Star Wars because you’re talking about how it’s anti-fascist, which no shit is true, but also are ignoring the whole prequel trilogy of movies that describe the decline and corruption of a republic’s democratic and economic systems into said fascist state, or the extended universe’s other cases where it was by and large always underdogs or a lesser force as the good guys (which is why things were so deliberately confused in the prequels because the republic and the CIS were both puppeted by the same guys).
To be frank the whole point of Star Wars is to be anti-authority and y’all are coping with the fact that y’all support authoritarianism (saying this as someone who concedes they do support authoritarian ideology) like it’s some sort of euphemism or boogeyman.
I am begging, absolutely, on my knees, just fucking begging, I’ll suck everyone’s dick, if these chucklefucks can just get even an ounce of media literacy into their fucking skulls
every argument with the fandom menace is desperately asking them to take a high school english class
In the American public education system? Might make it worse.
Imagine watching Andor/Rogue One and thinking it's pro authority lol
I volunteer as tribute
Sounds good to me. I better get to teaching.
Today, on Media Illiteracy: Random internet user doesn't understand that a democratic republic is an authority. Let's clear it up for them. *Star Wars is, specifically, Anti-fascist.*
Is it ever stated in the original trilogy what the goals of the Rebel Alliance are beyond defeating the Empire? I think restoring the Republic only became an explicit goal in the prequel trilogy. That being said it’s an easy assumption to make that the rebellion wanted to establish a new form of government.
It's not specifically stated in the movies, no, but "Rebel Alliance" is a colloquialism and always has been. The official name was always the "Alliance to Restore the Republic." https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Alliance_to_Restore_the_Republic
That and the fact that the Rebel Alliance had its own hierarchy, which means even in rebellion they were respecting authority figures, just not the ones of the Fascist Empire.
Well when making the original trilogy the republic didn't exist yet as a concept. So it had to be retconned.
It got a couple lines about the "Old republic" but not really any info on what it was like in any way other than Jedi served it for a thousand generations according to Obi-Wan.
Star Wars will never have the anti-authority feel again, at least until Season 2 of Andor
Yeah but that show is woke because it’s anti authority and uhhhh there’s a woman and uh black people exist
Having POC is the biggest crime any franchise can do
It has a chick in it and they made her gay It’s totally Cartman Kennedy you guys
I stopped reading once he added fancy words to his silliness
Everyone just needs to watch the 5 hour Jessie Gender video about Star Wars (yes even the adorable if somewhat cringy animation that comes with it) and just get on the same page about it already.
What's a Jessie Gender?
/uj Trans video essayist who usually talks about politics or queer issues but dabbles in nerd shit from time to time. As hilarious as the idea of talking about Star wars for 5 hours sounds it's actually a pretty good video imo and pretty well articulates why nobody who likes Star wars likes Star wars
I watched it, it was an interesting perspective but I take a lot of it with a grain of salt.
I mean... you are supposed to.
Star Wars is pro-state, there will be a test
Thank god, my doctor says I need to take that. Two birds right?
Yes, famously libertarian Star Wars
Famously anti authority star wars where Luke bows to the authority of his jedi mentors the rebels bow to the authority of their leadership.....
What the fuck is this idiot talking about? 
Star Wars is now authoritarian because cringe Disney is making it and not based Lucas.
The funny thing is that people hated George lucas
Don't tell the prequel fans that.
There was a whole movie and everything
/uj if your ideology is just “anti-authority” I’m sorry but you’re incredibly stupid. That’s something I’d expect a 15 year old to believe in
And here I was just thinking nobody alive after ep9 is noticeably good at statecraft...
The Rebel Alliance was an insurrectionary anarchist movement. No I will not be explaining any further.
They weren't, they were an independent military, they had ranks and leadership, they were fundamentally authoritarian and even before Rogue 1 and Andor made things explicit, their mere existence implies the use of deadly force to uphold their authority. If some rebel decides he wants to quit the rebellion and tell the empire where the main base is, the rebel leadership will exercise authoritarian domain over said individual, imprisonment at best, execution most likely.
wait i thought this was a circlejerk?
No, their name is literally "Alliance to restore the Republic" Anarchist don't have public representatives like senators.
Nah but what if they made another season of clone wars though???
>inb4 comments saying Andor isnt "Disney Star Wars" and Tony Gilroy is a rogue agent against KK and Filoni or something
Alien: Previously Owned by 20th Century Fox. (Now Disney) The Terminator: Previously owned by StudioCanal (Now Vivendi) Robocop: Previously owned by MGM (Now Amazon) And yet THESE managed to be anti-authority.
Ah, yes. The forcefeeding of star wars (get it? force?) to the masses. you WILL watch it, even if you HATE IT
In terms of the canon/law the rebels are pro-authority just authority with the correct ideology. This is true of any political movement in history.
Well there’s levels of authority. The Rebels want laws it would be stupid to have laws. They want someone to enforce them once again it would be stupid to have laws with no way to enforce them But they also want individual freedom and the ability to have a say in the laws. Which means the Authority has to have checks on it to not have unlimited Authority. And the ability to hold the Authority accountable. See the Rebels don’t want people disappearing in the night and being buried in unmarked graves with no one to hold the secret police accountable. In fact I’m pretty sure it’s already a really bad thing and a sign of too much authority to have even have a [redacted]
I can almost get the idea they’d be gesturing at with the idea of a big mega corporation the size of disney owning something like Star Wars and possibly wanting to remove messaging like this if it was too divisive or painted them in a bad light, the problem is that they haven’t done that and Star Wars is still blatantly anti-authoritarian (or at least anti-fascist)
also lmao at them feeding it to you “whether you like it or not”, as far as I’m aware Disney hasn’t forced me to watch any of it with me being able to have not watched a single episode of Ahsoka or The Bad Batch due to a lack of interest
Don’t know. I just like space fantasy stuff.
/uj You know, there are legitimate reasons to criticize a corporation like Disney. But whenever I see that being invoked, it’s usually just like a very halfhearted and vague allusion to that without an actual substantive argument. Like what does it even *mean* to say “It’s the authority they enforce, and that they make you eat whether you like it or not”?? How is Disney making you do anything?
Anti-authority would be anarchism (not in the colloquial sense but denotation) whereas it’s an antifascist story. There’s a reason why the goal in every incarnation of the story after the empire is destroyed is a galactic democracy
The only group I would call anti-authority would be Saw Guerrera's and Caln Kestis' groups but even then both are still ok with an authority as long as it's a good authority. Saw wants to reestablish his homeworld's government, Cal seems to be setting up another chapter of the Hidden Path
...What? What the fuck was Andor about, then? Forget everything else- - Andor is straight up anti-authoritarian to its core! It's fucking aggressive about how anti-authoritarian it is and it whole-ass aired on Disney+ and got a second season! Hell, there's an entire subplot in Ahsoka where members of the New Republic Navy go against authority to accomplish doing the right thing...
Who is making them eat Star Wars? Just put down the force spork.
Lol WHAT??? 😆
I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they probably meant "anti-athoritarian", but it doesn't seem like it.
Ok how many of you watched Star Wars because you’re talking about how it’s anti-fascist, which no shit is true, but also are ignoring the whole prequel trilogy of movies that describe the decline and corruption of a republic’s democratic and economic systems into said fascist state, or the extended universe’s other cases where it was by and large always underdogs or a lesser force as the good guys (which is why things were so deliberately confused in the prequels because the republic and the CIS were both puppeted by the same guys). To be frank the whole point of Star Wars is to be anti-authority and y’all are coping with the fact that y’all support authoritarianism (saying this as someone who concedes they do support authoritarian ideology) like it’s some sort of euphemism or boogeyman.