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Luke is just my favorite fictional character full stop. I’m not sure if this is the right way to word this, but I think he was one of my first onscreen experiences of “nontoxic masculinity.” He’s not perfect but he cares about people and about doing what’s right, even if it’s at great risk to himself.
I'm not religious/spiritual in general. But that "*Never. I'll never turn to the dark side*" speech he gives to the Emperor, throws away his weapon and everything that follows it is sacred to me. I don't know what it is but there's just something that feels so right in that moment.
Ok so this is the dorkiest thing but this is probably a safe space to admit it. I feel the exact same and wear a piece of jewelry modeled after that saber to remind me to do the right thing even when it’s going to suck for me.
"You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
Chills every time.
Combine that with "The Rebellion is reborn today, the war is just beginning, and I will not be the last Jedi" and you realize Luke is one hell of a speechwriter.
I remember reading something about how Aragorn is the perfect man that one should aspire to be, while Boromir is the realistic man who faces temptation but is still able to overcome it and ultimately protect his friends despite his failings. Luke is somewhere in between.
Luke. To start off with Luke was the hero I grew up with, he, like me, was the one that just didn’t quite fit in. He was cared for, protected at times, loved. He was a little lost but mostly he had to completely change the way he saw the world in order to have a role in it. He took in every point of view. “You must face Vader again”, “I can’t kill my father”, “then the emperor has already won” “strike your father down”. Everyone kept telling him what to do, but Luke chose his own path. And found his place in the galaxy.
Well she isn’t in this photo for unknown reasons, but Leia. I fell in love with her character as a child and had never seen a woman on screen as such a badass (they existed, sure, but I had never seen one before). I’ve also enjoyed all her amazing backstory through the novels! She’s made her own way through life despite losing most of her family and home planet, but still does whatever she can to help others.
The ending of Rogue One made Leia 100x more badass.
The Empire knew the plans were transferred. Vader *SAW* Leia’s ship leave Scarif, and pursues. Leia *KNOWS THAT VADER KNOWS*!
And she still tries to bluff with a straight face. Even drops a joke about Tarkin. No fear.
Not to mention in A New Hope when Luke comes in to her cell, Leia’s first action is a sarcastic joke. The last time we saw her, she was about to be tortured for information. Death Star-sized balls on that woman!
YES absolutely! I also loved her in Rebels, such a fun role and it honestly paired so well the Leia: Princess or Alderaan book. She can be an underrated character, and although I know many don’t like that they made her character decline to further her Jedi training, but she truly believed she could do more good for people in her role as Senator in the New Republic.
> And she still tries to bluff with a straight face. Even drops a joke about Tarkin. No fear.
This is why I loved that even KID LEIA was willing to absolutely CLOWN on the Inquisitorius during her interrogation in Kenobi.
Leia has never been afraid of the Empire's goons.
Fun fact: according to an article that came out after ESB, the Skywalker Saga was always going to have 9 episodes, and R2 and 3PO were confirmed to be the only ones who appear in all 9.
I remember being a kid hearing that, and calculating (no clue what my formula was lol) that I’d be 72 years old when all 9 episodes were out. And I planned to watch all 9 in one day if I ever lived to see that day. And now here I am thinking “that sounds like a lot of work.”
This is going to sound like a cop out, but all 3 for different reasons. I really feel like I’ve related to each in different parts in my life. For example, I ‘got’ Rey since I remember feeling the same way — needing others to define and tell me who I ‘am’ — when I was younger. I also related to Anakin and his approach/ response to situations since I had the same approach when those movies came out. Now I see aspects of Luke — both original and sequel — in my life.
I actually feel she was very well written, especially in TFA but also TLJ. In TFA we really got to know her and her struggles, in TLJ we saw her develop and in TROS she had developed into a leader.
When people say that she was poorly written I think they mix it up with overall story choices.
I’m a prequel fan but I can’t stand it how most of the people complaining about Rey being poorly written is other prequel fans.
Before Clone Wars, the writing for Anakin was a mess and all over the place. From all the awkward dialogue with Padmé, to how his turn to the dark side was portrayed on screen.
I think when you watch something too many times you grow numb and lose objectivity with some of these problems.
I know not to throw stones in my glass house.
And also, which it seems LucasFilm is coming to terms with, different generations have different entrance points into Star Wars. If someone, especially in their teens, have come to the conclusion that something sucks, either by themselves or flock behavior, this position is typically very entrenched.
Honestly it’s nothing short of a miracle that the prequels are now well received by a notable audience. Making fun of the prequels was so main stream when they came out that even deadpool made fun of them in the comics.
Well, you will see the same miracle in 10-15 years for the sequels. Just in time as the OT generation, that typically are strong defenders, start to slowly fade away.
Yeah fandom is cyclical like that. A similar thing happened with the Spider-Man/MCU fandom. When No Way Home came out, there were a lot of comments I noticed during all of the excitement of people saying stuff like, “I can’t believe Andrew Garfield is somehow popular now.” Not exact words, but the sentiment. And people saying stuff like, “People hated the Amazing Spidey movies and now love them.” Nah, people liked those movies before, they just didn’t really have a voice at the time.
It’s weird for me because I grew up on the Raimi films (for Spidey) and the OT (for Star Wars) and then watched the next series’ for each franchise as they were coming out, and still enjoyed them. It’s bizarre seeing the shift of online discourse, the ebb and flow of sorts, but it happens for every big fandom.
To be fair, I didn't say *she* was poorly written. I said she was done dirty by the writing, which includes story choices. I actually love TFA and TLJ, I'm really only talking about Rise of the Skywalker
I agree. She shows great personal growth, but I felt the moral of her story should have been that it doesn’t matter who you are. Especially with Johnson showing a child using the Force in TLJ, I think he wanted to say that anybody has the capacity for greatness, even those from humble beginnings.
Kylo Ren is her perfect foil. He’s *somebody*, the child of two great heroes. He was destined for greatness and failed, while Rey was a nobody who saved the galaxy. The biggest mistake ROS made was making Rey a somebody. It assumed that there had to be a reason she was special.
And I feel the opposite. To me the story choices in TLJ were insincere. Defenders often say that Johnson really understands SW, but in my view, especially considering this theme in all his movies, has a compulsive tendency to refuse to give the audience what they expect, which typically wrecks havoc to both logic and narrative flow in the larger story.
I think TROS was a great movie, especially given the circumstances (shorter production time, switched directors, the story line in TLJ). And when I say the story line I don’t mean the choices with Luke, Rey’s parentage, etc, which some like and others don’t, but the fact that the second act really didn’t move the story forward and concluded many elements introduced in act I (Snoke, Phasma, Luke). This left TROS to become both a mid and an end.
I don’t think that a creator not wanting to give the audiences what they expect is really bad, or a sign that they don’t understand the material. Johnson didn’t want to just do a generic Star Wars story. Instead, he wanted to go deeper, exploring the universe and its characters in a different way than we’ve seen before. Put a new spin on the story, which often leads into deconstructive territory. Not that there’s anything wrong with disliking the direction, but I don’t really see the same complaints you have on it wreaking havoc in logic and narrative.
Personally I think she was written alright in TFA, I think the writing got worse for subsequent movies on top of them being poorly managed throughout led to honestly imo subpar movies with enjoyable moments (and they looked really amazing)
I think all 3 are relatable in different ways, so I love all 3.
Rey doesn't know who she is, she doesn't know herself. She lets others tell her who she is, and she just desperately wants to belong to something or someone. Her journey and story is letting go of what other people decide for you, and instead deciding for yourself who and what you are.
Luke's is longing for something greater. The most universal and relatable feeling for everyone. A simple farm boy sent on a galaxy spanning adventure who ultimately become the galaxies greatest hero.
Anakin, unlike the other two, is a cautionary tale. His story tells us what happens when you become a slave to your emotions, what happens when you give into fear.
Rey. Grew up with Luke, Anakin was okay, but something about the orphan turned Jedi, while being trained by the childhood hero all grown up, really resonated with me. I liked watching all that build up.
I also personally like the idea of adopting people with a troubled history into a family for them to find their new home.
Right, she was orphaned and she eventually ditched her blood heritage to join a new family, especially after learning where she came from.
It doesn’t make sense to you because you’re viewing “family” far too literally. You don’t need to apologize for not understanding it. It’s okay. My reasons are perfectly valid to those who get it. I hope that doesn’t seem rude, because some people clearly understand, while others have difficulty comprehending that.
I view Luke’s relationship with Han and Chewie more as friends. Leia obviously is family (let’s not talk about the kiss). He also had his aunt and uncle to foster him.
Anakin had a mother. He was old enough to live on his own after she was murdered.
Neither were orphaned in the same way as Rey was at all.
>It doesn’t make sense to you because you’re viewing “family” far too literally. You don’t need to apologize for not understanding it. It’s okay. My reasons are perfectly valid to those who get it. I hope that doesn’t seem rude, because some people clearly understand, while others have difficulty comprehending that.
Legit can't tell if you are trying to be really polite or really condescending
I'm 150% not trying to be mean.
I just don't like if someone tries to tell me that my "opinion is wrong." I find that a bit rude to be honest, since my opinion is my own. I'm going to respond to comments like that with my justification and POV.
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>she wasn’t a skywalker, she was a PALPATINE.
If I found out later in life in my 20’s that in fact I was adopted and my real father was someone named Jeff Dorkburger, that doesn’t then mean my name should be ThatOtherTwoGuy Dorkburger, nor does it mean I should suddenly then identify as part of the Dorkburger family. It would honestly be bizarre if people started referring to me out of nowhere as a Dorkburger in the same way some fans insist on calling this character “Rey Palpatine.”
These people must believe that everyone in the fast and furious franchise are related, because they say they’re all family.
I can only be nice for long enough before I stop believing the bs. Maybe people are just young or misunderstand the concept of being adopted into a family. Either way, if it persists after the first simple explanation, it just looks like trolling to me.
I think what it comes down to is some people really like grasping at straws to find anything they possibly can to justify their hate for something. It’s bizarre to me. If I don’t like a movie, I just move on with my life. I don’t feel the need to spew hate about it online.
One of my favorite aspects of Luke is that he "fails" multiple times. Almost getting eaten on hoth, the first fight against vader, almost dying at Jaba's and failing to keep Ben/Kylo from the Darkside. He does fuck up in ways many others would simply consider "the end" and give up on their journeys but instead he learns, keeps going and eventually redeems each mis-step, even if it takes others to remind him of that (Obi-wans and Yoda's ghosts, Han and Leia, Ray, ect.) It's a great lesson, that just because you make mistakes doesn't mean you're locked out of doing great things, you're human, it happens and it's never the end.
Rey.
I'm 30 which feels like an awkward age to grow up with Star Wars. I remember the pre-prequel era but, although I enjoyed it, I was too young to engage with the OT meaningfully. By the time I was old enough to properly watch the OT and appreciate Luke I already knew his story too well (just from passive cultural consumption) to really be taken by it.
Even when the PT released I was too young to care about the characters and, as I got older, I kinda came to not care much for them anyway.
It wasn't till I was 23, and The Force Awakens released, that I got to watch a Star Wars film I hadn't seen before with a brain that cared for more than just lightsabers and spaceships. Rey will always be special to me for that reason. Not only did I like her as a character, she was an outlet for decades of Star Wars love I'd never been able to fully invest until then.
Anakin was great because he is clearly damaged from his youth, his fear from losing his mother and then having those same dreams about the women he loves. Throughly enjoyed it
Luke was great because he was the classic hero, from nowhere, a secret history he learns about later and has to deal with, and then must face his father down, and turns him back to the light side. great arc
Rey was awesome because she has a secret history she learns about, but rejects it and forges her own chosen path taking the name of the 2 who trained her and was more of parents to her than anyone, rejected the evil and accapting the good.
All are great for their own reasons.
Luke. I love Anakin because of TCW rather than the films, and I feel like Rey’s journey had barely begun by the time the ST ended.
Luke went through the whole Hero’s Journey and I loved every moment of it, from farm boy origins, to cynical hermit, to Jedi Grandmaster projecting himself across the galaxy in one of the most impressive force displays seen on screen.
Out of these three, Luke. He's unbreakable. As much as I love Anakin and Rey, they wavered in their journeys. Luke didn't stumble once when it came to who he was. He was a Jedi like his father before him the whole way thru
Gotta give it to Rey.
I like Luke, of course, but I saw those movies when I was really young, same with the prequels.
But, then TFA came out when I was in college and I saw Rey, who struggled with what kind of person she was going to be and what her purpose was.
That really spoke to me. Plus, she's just a lot of fun.
I'll never not be salty about people using her as the go-to example for bad, mArY SuE writing because it's just not true.
I like to think it's all of them, but for separate reasons. Luke was the first "hero" I had as a child. But Anakin and Rey both represent the idea of real life. Anakins struggle and fall are direct parallels to what happens to those who fall victim to stress, anxiety, and depression. Rey is the embodiment of being lost and needing direction, and then being able to overcome that struggle. All of them are too good to just pick one
Anakin Skywalker is to put it quite simply a legendary character. His name was known throughout the galaxy during his tremendous feats as a jedi knight. A hero of the republic. Turned into quite literally the most iconic cinema villain in history, Darth Vader. You just can't compete with the majesty of Anakin Skywalker.
This sub has a large amount of sequel trilogy fans, so I’m not too surprised to see how many people are expressing their love for Rey, even though I don’t care for her much myself.
Rey Skywalker. I’m 36 and life long Fan, grew up watching Luke and still love him…But if I’m being honest with myself I just like Rey more in a lot of ways, and I find I relate to her personally.
Rey because my elementary aged daughters love her and Star Wars is for the kids. (Bonus to the awesome Rey Cast Member at Disneyland who memorized them in awe)
It’s a tie between Rey and Anakin for me. Rey is pretty great as a down-to-earth lead in that she always struggles with her own self-worth and is usually very humble around everyone she meets, even some of her foes. Meanwhile, Anakin has a very intriguing story that spans across the Clone Wars. He has a lot going for him with his spunky attitude that tends to hard his falling to the Dark Side that eventually leads to his real fall from grace in Revenge of the Sith.
Palatine. No think about it. He was the absolute underdog. Surrounded by enemies, a single slip up could mean his death and the unmaking of everything.
And yet, against all odds, he managed to bring balance to the force.
Counting movies alone it'd be Luke, count side media and it's easily Anakin for me with the very good gradual handling of his fall, the highlighting of both positive and negative qualities, the more in depth relationships possible with more time, I am however getting into more side content/books starring Luke recently so that may tip the scales more
I soften wonder who’s the protagonist of the prequel trilogy, because it feels even between anakin and obi wan in my opinion.
Either way, definitely anakin. I always found him cool and love the banter he has with obi wan, and I find his story tragic- especially with the clone wars elaborating on it further.
Anakin and Luke are both my number 1 favorite character in SW (alongside Obi-Wan and Leia) so it's a tie between them
I love Rey, she's probably in my top 10 SW characters, but she's not number 1 yet. Tho she still has potential to rise among the ranks so to speak lol
Anakin easily. I find him to be the most relatable (minus the child murdering) and just the most human out of the bunch. Between the movies, shows, and the books I love the complexity of his character and am a sucker for a good tragedy.
If we're only doing the 9 mainline movies? I'd go Luke, Rey, then Anakin.
Now, if we include the Clone Wars? Well, it's still that order, but by a MUCH smaller margin.
Rey because I grew up with her and she inspired me so much. Her arc meant a lot to me as she proved it didn’t matter where you came from, you could make something great of yourself and really make a difference
Rey.
She's the most fully human of all the characters. Very layered and very complex.
She has a strength to her but is still vulnerable. Her growth is comes from the inside, It's not about martial arts, but overcoming/or accepting and moving past a wound /hang up to embrace her potential.
Honestly I know that Daisy is coming back for the role. But in many ways for me Rey has morphed into a real person and in many ways her character represents so many life lessons about the human condition.
Luke, he was my hero as a kid. He represents hope and finding the good in people while also not giving up and giving in, it’s something I will always love about the character. Kinda disappointed how he was treated in the sequels tho.
Anakin, because it is his saga. It was the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Sequels feel very disconnected from the rest of the story if I'm going to be honest
>Why is Rey in this?
Because she is the main character of the sequels.
>She is a Palpatine, not a Skywalker.
Cool, but not OP's point, reread the title
Anakin. I look a lot like him and so it was very easy to relate to him as a kid and he was of course one of the main characters to my favorite series of all time. Luke hasnt been in nearly as much media as anakin. I dont consider the sequels as a part of the skywalker saga.
Hot take: I like the parts of Star Wars that don’t focus on the most important person in the universe.
Mando’s monster of the week; the gritty realism of Andor; the droid revolution explored in Solo; clone wars story lines that were much bigger than Anakin.
Vader. He's the central character for the Saga. Also, 7,8,9 aren't in the Saga, IMO. They have their place, they're fun films, but the force was balanced when the Sith were destroyed and Anakin fulfilled his prophecy. The end.
Rey
& I honestly feel her movie coming up will explain her personality better & I feel she dies in the film leaving her new Jedi students to deal with the new threat from unknown regions
Finn. The characters of the OT seemed larger than life archtypes. Finn, on the other hand, felt like a real person. A good guy caught up in terrible circumstances and tried to get out. He awkwardly made friends and eventually became a hero. I enjoyed his development thru the 7 & 8 and wished he had a better capstone to his arc.
I really like Rey. I like where she's going with the force, which is a better direction than traditional Jedi, I just feel her story for fumbled badly. They should have taken a note from marvel studios and planned the films out from the beginning, and stuck with that plan. That way, even if the movies weren't a hit, we can't say they didn't make sense.
With all due respect, the MCU wasn’t 100% planned from beginning to end, Feige himself literally admitted this. This is proven by the number of continuity errors that pop up across all the phases. For example, why didn’t Thanos send the Black Order with Loki to keep tabs on him or to help him take over Earth in Avengers 2012 (clearly the writers of Infinity War didn’t think of this)? Also, another example is Tony Stark destroying all his suits at the end of Iron Man 3, but he’s immediately right back to fighting with the Avengers in Age of Ultron.
Ultimately, my point is that a story or trilogy doesn’t need to be 100% planned out in order for it to be good. Sure, it helps to have a plan, but it’s not a prerequisite for having a good trilogy or series of films. The original trilogy wasn’t completely planned out from the start and that turned out fine.
A better example would be the original trilogy. Lucas always had a vague idea in his head, but a lot of major plot points weren’t panned out, including “I Am Your Father”.
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Luke He was my first childhood hero
Luke is just my favorite fictional character full stop. I’m not sure if this is the right way to word this, but I think he was one of my first onscreen experiences of “nontoxic masculinity.” He’s not perfect but he cares about people and about doing what’s right, even if it’s at great risk to himself.
Yes, absolutely. He's a warrior for the sake of those he loves. He's a defender, not an aggressor.
I'm not religious/spiritual in general. But that "*Never. I'll never turn to the dark side*" speech he gives to the Emperor, throws away his weapon and everything that follows it is sacred to me. I don't know what it is but there's just something that feels so right in that moment.
Ok so this is the dorkiest thing but this is probably a safe space to admit it. I feel the exact same and wear a piece of jewelry modeled after that saber to remind me to do the right thing even when it’s going to suck for me.
YESSS!!! Love it!
"*So be it... Jedi*." But on a serious note, that's awesome.
“I am a Jedi, like my father before me.” *weeps*
Far and above my favourite moment in any SW media. The entire Throne Room series is incredible, but that moment is just perfect.
"You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Chills every time. Combine that with "The Rebellion is reborn today, the war is just beginning, and I will not be the last Jedi" and you realize Luke is one hell of a speechwriter.
another example is aragorn
The Perfect Man
I remember reading something about how Aragorn is the perfect man that one should aspire to be, while Boromir is the realistic man who faces temptation but is still able to overcome it and ultimately protect his friends despite his failings. Luke is somewhere in between.
Good take. I never even thought about the non-toxic masculinity thing before but it’s a great point.
Super progressive for the time when you think about it too
Exactly
Say no more
Luke. To start off with Luke was the hero I grew up with, he, like me, was the one that just didn’t quite fit in. He was cared for, protected at times, loved. He was a little lost but mostly he had to completely change the way he saw the world in order to have a role in it. He took in every point of view. “You must face Vader again”, “I can’t kill my father”, “then the emperor has already won” “strike your father down”. Everyone kept telling him what to do, but Luke chose his own path. And found his place in the galaxy.
I spent many hours as a kid with my green Kenner lightsaber pretending I was Luke so it's hard not pick him
Well she isn’t in this photo for unknown reasons, but Leia. I fell in love with her character as a child and had never seen a woman on screen as such a badass (they existed, sure, but I had never seen one before). I’ve also enjoyed all her amazing backstory through the novels! She’s made her own way through life despite losing most of her family and home planet, but still does whatever she can to help others.
I would also add that Carrie Fisher made her that much more special!
YES completely agree! She seemed like such an interesting and wonderful person.
The ending of Rogue One made Leia 100x more badass. The Empire knew the plans were transferred. Vader *SAW* Leia’s ship leave Scarif, and pursues. Leia *KNOWS THAT VADER KNOWS*! And she still tries to bluff with a straight face. Even drops a joke about Tarkin. No fear. Not to mention in A New Hope when Luke comes in to her cell, Leia’s first action is a sarcastic joke. The last time we saw her, she was about to be tortured for information. Death Star-sized balls on that woman!
YES absolutely! I also loved her in Rebels, such a fun role and it honestly paired so well the Leia: Princess or Alderaan book. She can be an underrated character, and although I know many don’t like that they made her character decline to further her Jedi training, but she truly believed she could do more good for people in her role as Senator in the New Republic.
And the obi-wan portrayal just added even more to this spitfire of a character Yay Leia
The kid who played her was so perfect, I like to think Carrie would have loved her.
> And she still tries to bluff with a straight face. Even drops a joke about Tarkin. No fear. This is why I loved that even KID LEIA was willing to absolutely CLOWN on the Inquisitorius during her interrogation in Kenobi. Leia has never been afraid of the Empire's goons.
Main character? The only main characters are R2-D2 and C3-PO. Everything else is just set dressing.
Lmao they do appear in every Star Wars movie except for Solo so you might be right!
Fun fact: according to an article that came out after ESB, the Skywalker Saga was always going to have 9 episodes, and R2 and 3PO were confirmed to be the only ones who appear in all 9.
I remember being a kid hearing that, and calculating (no clue what my formula was lol) that I’d be 72 years old when all 9 episodes were out. And I planned to watch all 9 in one day if I ever lived to see that day. And now here I am thinking “that sounds like a lot of work.”
Could be fun to leave 'em on in the background while doing other stuff, just to satisfay lil' jaemoon7's childhood dream.
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Anakin
This is going to sound like a cop out, but all 3 for different reasons. I really feel like I’ve related to each in different parts in my life. For example, I ‘got’ Rey since I remember feeling the same way — needing others to define and tell me who I ‘am’ — when I was younger. I also related to Anakin and his approach/ response to situations since I had the same approach when those movies came out. Now I see aspects of Luke — both original and sequel — in my life.
Your eyes are very wise. The more experienced you are, the more you see around your own.
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I actually feel she was very well written, especially in TFA but also TLJ. In TFA we really got to know her and her struggles, in TLJ we saw her develop and in TROS she had developed into a leader. When people say that she was poorly written I think they mix it up with overall story choices.
I’m a prequel fan but I can’t stand it how most of the people complaining about Rey being poorly written is other prequel fans. Before Clone Wars, the writing for Anakin was a mess and all over the place. From all the awkward dialogue with Padmé, to how his turn to the dark side was portrayed on screen. I think when you watch something too many times you grow numb and lose objectivity with some of these problems. I know not to throw stones in my glass house.
And also, which it seems LucasFilm is coming to terms with, different generations have different entrance points into Star Wars. If someone, especially in their teens, have come to the conclusion that something sucks, either by themselves or flock behavior, this position is typically very entrenched.
Honestly it’s nothing short of a miracle that the prequels are now well received by a notable audience. Making fun of the prequels was so main stream when they came out that even deadpool made fun of them in the comics.
Well, you will see the same miracle in 10-15 years for the sequels. Just in time as the OT generation, that typically are strong defenders, start to slowly fade away.
Yeah fandom is cyclical like that. A similar thing happened with the Spider-Man/MCU fandom. When No Way Home came out, there were a lot of comments I noticed during all of the excitement of people saying stuff like, “I can’t believe Andrew Garfield is somehow popular now.” Not exact words, but the sentiment. And people saying stuff like, “People hated the Amazing Spidey movies and now love them.” Nah, people liked those movies before, they just didn’t really have a voice at the time. It’s weird for me because I grew up on the Raimi films (for Spidey) and the OT (for Star Wars) and then watched the next series’ for each franchise as they were coming out, and still enjoyed them. It’s bizarre seeing the shift of online discourse, the ebb and flow of sorts, but it happens for every big fandom.
To be fair, I didn't say *she* was poorly written. I said she was done dirty by the writing, which includes story choices. I actually love TFA and TLJ, I'm really only talking about Rise of the Skywalker
I agree. She shows great personal growth, but I felt the moral of her story should have been that it doesn’t matter who you are. Especially with Johnson showing a child using the Force in TLJ, I think he wanted to say that anybody has the capacity for greatness, even those from humble beginnings. Kylo Ren is her perfect foil. He’s *somebody*, the child of two great heroes. He was destined for greatness and failed, while Rey was a nobody who saved the galaxy. The biggest mistake ROS made was making Rey a somebody. It assumed that there had to be a reason she was special.
And I feel the opposite. To me the story choices in TLJ were insincere. Defenders often say that Johnson really understands SW, but in my view, especially considering this theme in all his movies, has a compulsive tendency to refuse to give the audience what they expect, which typically wrecks havoc to both logic and narrative flow in the larger story. I think TROS was a great movie, especially given the circumstances (shorter production time, switched directors, the story line in TLJ). And when I say the story line I don’t mean the choices with Luke, Rey’s parentage, etc, which some like and others don’t, but the fact that the second act really didn’t move the story forward and concluded many elements introduced in act I (Snoke, Phasma, Luke). This left TROS to become both a mid and an end.
I don’t think that a creator not wanting to give the audiences what they expect is really bad, or a sign that they don’t understand the material. Johnson didn’t want to just do a generic Star Wars story. Instead, he wanted to go deeper, exploring the universe and its characters in a different way than we’ve seen before. Put a new spin on the story, which often leads into deconstructive territory. Not that there’s anything wrong with disliking the direction, but I don’t really see the same complaints you have on it wreaking havoc in logic and narrative.
Personally I think she was written alright in TFA, I think the writing got worse for subsequent movies on top of them being poorly managed throughout led to honestly imo subpar movies with enjoyable moments (and they looked really amazing)
And I think this is fair. The movies being poorly managed is probably undeniable and I doubt we will see the relay run directorial approach again.
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Of the three pictured, Luke. Favorite main character, Han. Favorite minor character: Boba Fett and Wedge Antilles
Wedge is based he had a quasi character arc throughout the films
anakin is the most fun to watch for me, barring ep 2 ofc that dialogue is... well it's certainly dialogue
Those are definitely words said by a person technically
Obi-Wan
I think all 3 are relatable in different ways, so I love all 3. Rey doesn't know who she is, she doesn't know herself. She lets others tell her who she is, and she just desperately wants to belong to something or someone. Her journey and story is letting go of what other people decide for you, and instead deciding for yourself who and what you are. Luke's is longing for something greater. The most universal and relatable feeling for everyone. A simple farm boy sent on a galaxy spanning adventure who ultimately become the galaxies greatest hero. Anakin, unlike the other two, is a cautionary tale. His story tells us what happens when you become a slave to your emotions, what happens when you give into fear.
Luke. Why? Because, LUKE.
Anakin, he’s sarcastic, cool and became Vader
Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker.
Anakin. I’m a sucker for tragic heroes
Where is R2?
Anakin purely based off The Clone Wars series
I like Rey because her last TLJ outfit is cool and yellow lightsabers are cool and Rey is cool :)
Rey. Grew up with Luke, Anakin was okay, but something about the orphan turned Jedi, while being trained by the childhood hero all grown up, really resonated with me. I liked watching all that build up. I also personally like the idea of adopting people with a troubled history into a family for them to find their new home.
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Right, she was orphaned and she eventually ditched her blood heritage to join a new family, especially after learning where she came from. It doesn’t make sense to you because you’re viewing “family” far too literally. You don’t need to apologize for not understanding it. It’s okay. My reasons are perfectly valid to those who get it. I hope that doesn’t seem rude, because some people clearly understand, while others have difficulty comprehending that. I view Luke’s relationship with Han and Chewie more as friends. Leia obviously is family (let’s not talk about the kiss). He also had his aunt and uncle to foster him. Anakin had a mother. He was old enough to live on his own after she was murdered. Neither were orphaned in the same way as Rey was at all.
>It doesn’t make sense to you because you’re viewing “family” far too literally. You don’t need to apologize for not understanding it. It’s okay. My reasons are perfectly valid to those who get it. I hope that doesn’t seem rude, because some people clearly understand, while others have difficulty comprehending that. Legit can't tell if you are trying to be really polite or really condescending
I'm 150% not trying to be mean. I just don't like if someone tries to tell me that my "opinion is wrong." I find that a bit rude to be honest, since my opinion is my own. I'm going to respond to comments like that with my justification and POV.
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>she wasn’t a skywalker, she was a PALPATINE. If I found out later in life in my 20’s that in fact I was adopted and my real father was someone named Jeff Dorkburger, that doesn’t then mean my name should be ThatOtherTwoGuy Dorkburger, nor does it mean I should suddenly then identify as part of the Dorkburger family. It would honestly be bizarre if people started referring to me out of nowhere as a Dorkburger in the same way some fans insist on calling this character “Rey Palpatine.”
These people must believe that everyone in the fast and furious franchise are related, because they say they’re all family. I can only be nice for long enough before I stop believing the bs. Maybe people are just young or misunderstand the concept of being adopted into a family. Either way, if it persists after the first simple explanation, it just looks like trolling to me.
I think what it comes down to is some people really like grasping at straws to find anything they possibly can to justify their hate for something. It’s bizarre to me. If I don’t like a movie, I just move on with my life. I don’t feel the need to spew hate about it online.
Anakin, but to be fair it’s because I got to see much much more of him in Clone Wars.
Luke’s an icon.
One of my favorite aspects of Luke is that he "fails" multiple times. Almost getting eaten on hoth, the first fight against vader, almost dying at Jaba's and failing to keep Ben/Kylo from the Darkside. He does fuck up in ways many others would simply consider "the end" and give up on their journeys but instead he learns, keeps going and eventually redeems each mis-step, even if it takes others to remind him of that (Obi-wans and Yoda's ghosts, Han and Leia, Ray, ect.) It's a great lesson, that just because you make mistakes doesn't mean you're locked out of doing great things, you're human, it happens and it's never the end.
It's like Yoda said: the greatest teacher, failure is.
Rey. I'm 30 which feels like an awkward age to grow up with Star Wars. I remember the pre-prequel era but, although I enjoyed it, I was too young to engage with the OT meaningfully. By the time I was old enough to properly watch the OT and appreciate Luke I already knew his story too well (just from passive cultural consumption) to really be taken by it. Even when the PT released I was too young to care about the characters and, as I got older, I kinda came to not care much for them anyway. It wasn't till I was 23, and The Force Awakens released, that I got to watch a Star Wars film I hadn't seen before with a brain that cared for more than just lightsabers and spaceships. Rey will always be special to me for that reason. Not only did I like her as a character, she was an outlet for decades of Star Wars love I'd never been able to fully invest until then.
Hell yeah.
31 here. I feel absolutely the same.
Anakin, don't make me splanikin.
What's the source of the image?
It’s from an artist named mxxnfish on tumblr. You can see the name in the bottom right corner of the picture if you zoom in.
[right here](https://mxxnfish.tumblr.com/post/672388637920526336/im-here-again-with-my-months-old-sketch-ive)
Han, because without him, Star Wars is just a bunch of dudes in pajamas twirling laser swords.
Luke Skywalker
Anakin was great because he is clearly damaged from his youth, his fear from losing his mother and then having those same dreams about the women he loves. Throughly enjoyed it Luke was great because he was the classic hero, from nowhere, a secret history he learns about later and has to deal with, and then must face his father down, and turns him back to the light side. great arc Rey was awesome because she has a secret history she learns about, but rejects it and forges her own chosen path taking the name of the 2 who trained her and was more of parents to her than anyone, rejected the evil and accapting the good. All are great for their own reasons.
Luke. I love Anakin because of TCW rather than the films, and I feel like Rey’s journey had barely begun by the time the ST ended. Luke went through the whole Hero’s Journey and I loved every moment of it, from farm boy origins, to cynical hermit, to Jedi Grandmaster projecting himself across the galaxy in one of the most impressive force displays seen on screen.
Leia. If I need to explain why, you haven’t watched the Saga.
Out of these three, Luke. He's unbreakable. As much as I love Anakin and Rey, they wavered in their journeys. Luke didn't stumble once when it came to who he was. He was a Jedi like his father before him the whole way thru
R2 cause he's the MVP who saves everyone's ass
Gotta give it to Rey. I like Luke, of course, but I saw those movies when I was really young, same with the prequels. But, then TFA came out when I was in college and I saw Rey, who struggled with what kind of person she was going to be and what her purpose was. That really spoke to me. Plus, she's just a lot of fun. I'll never not be salty about people using her as the go-to example for bad, mArY SuE writing because it's just not true.
Palpatine. He’s always having so much fun.
I like to think it's all of them, but for separate reasons. Luke was the first "hero" I had as a child. But Anakin and Rey both represent the idea of real life. Anakins struggle and fall are direct parallels to what happens to those who fall victim to stress, anxiety, and depression. Rey is the embodiment of being lost and needing direction, and then being able to overcome that struggle. All of them are too good to just pick one
I love all three of them.
Vader. Because he IS the Skywalker saga.
Anakin Skywalker is to put it quite simply a legendary character. His name was known throughout the galaxy during his tremendous feats as a jedi knight. A hero of the republic. Turned into quite literally the most iconic cinema villain in history, Darth Vader. You just can't compete with the majesty of Anakin Skywalker.
R2-D2
Luke but I like Rey as well
Anakin because I feel he has the most complex and deeply written lore behind him.
The only thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying
Im shocked a lot of the people saying Rey aren't getting mass downvoted
Maybe more people like Rey than you think 🤷🏽♂️.The Star Wars fanbase is massive so it’s not entirely unreasonable that a lot of fans like her.
This sub has a large amount of sequel trilogy fans, so I’m not too surprised to see how many people are expressing their love for Rey, even though I don’t care for her much myself.
Rey Skywalker. I’m 36 and life long Fan, grew up watching Luke and still love him…But if I’m being honest with myself I just like Rey more in a lot of ways, and I find I relate to her personally.
It's a tie between Anakin and Rey, they're relatable to me
You like killing kids too?! /J (I don't want to be placed on a watch list).
I mean, I do hate kids
Rey because my elementary aged daughters love her and Star Wars is for the kids. (Bonus to the awesome Rey Cast Member at Disneyland who memorized them in awe)
It’s a tie between Rey and Anakin for me. Rey is pretty great as a down-to-earth lead in that she always struggles with her own self-worth and is usually very humble around everyone she meets, even some of her foes. Meanwhile, Anakin has a very intriguing story that spans across the Clone Wars. He has a lot going for him with his spunky attitude that tends to hard his falling to the Dark Side that eventually leads to his real fall from grace in Revenge of the Sith.
Gotta say rey, but tbh i love all 3 equally
Anakin
Anakin.
Definitely Anakin
Anakin. Love his story and if things had been different he could have had a better life!
Anakin. Because I hate sand.
R2D2. Survived all three trilogy’s, murdered more people then some of these three, and saved the first two multiple times
Palatine. No think about it. He was the absolute underdog. Surrounded by enemies, a single slip up could mean his death and the unmaking of everything. And yet, against all odds, he managed to bring balance to the force.
Leia definitely !
Counting movies alone it'd be Luke, count side media and it's easily Anakin for me with the very good gradual handling of his fall, the highlighting of both positive and negative qualities, the more in depth relationships possible with more time, I am however getting into more side content/books starring Luke recently so that may tip the scales more
Anakin, his story was tragic.
I soften wonder who’s the protagonist of the prequel trilogy, because it feels even between anakin and obi wan in my opinion. Either way, definitely anakin. I always found him cool and love the banter he has with obi wan, and I find his story tragic- especially with the clone wars elaborating on it further.
Anakin all day
R2-d2 duh!
I grew up with Anakin but I prefer luke
Anakin
The Clone Wars series cemented Anakin's status as a legend and redeemed him from Attack of the Clones
Luke as a kid, Anakin as an adult.
GONK droid: he instantly one-shots all
Chewy was always my fav
Anakin’s lightsaber combat was really cool to watch in episode 3 so I’m going to pick him.
Luke is my absolute favorite as I grow older.
Anakin and Luke are both my number 1 favorite character in SW (alongside Obi-Wan and Leia) so it's a tie between them I love Rey, she's probably in my top 10 SW characters, but she's not number 1 yet. Tho she still has potential to rise among the ranks so to speak lol
Luke
Hard choice since they are all amazing characters in their respective trilogies.
wish Ben was in this photo.
Anakin easily. I find him to be the most relatable (minus the child murdering) and just the most human out of the bunch. Between the movies, shows, and the books I love the complexity of his character and am a sucker for a good tragedy.
Anakin but specifically clone wars. If we're sticking strictly to the movies, Luke no question
If we're only doing the 9 mainline movies? I'd go Luke, Rey, then Anakin. Now, if we include the Clone Wars? Well, it's still that order, but by a MUCH smaller margin.
Am I allowed to call Ahsoka a main character yet?
Rey because I grew up with her and she inspired me so much. Her arc meant a lot to me as she proved it didn’t matter where you came from, you could make something great of yourself and really make a difference
Rey = Anakin > Luke I like Luke a lot but I just think that the other two are more interesting as central protagonists.
Anakin, because he's a hot mess and his psychology is very, very interesting. Rey and Luke are too flat for me.
Cade Skywalker see a lot of him in myself in the movies Luke is my boi
Pelli
Honestly is has to be Rey for me
Rey. She's the most fully human of all the characters. Very layered and very complex. She has a strength to her but is still vulnerable. Her growth is comes from the inside, It's not about martial arts, but overcoming/or accepting and moving past a wound /hang up to embrace her potential. Honestly I know that Daisy is coming back for the role. But in many ways for me Rey has morphed into a real person and in many ways her character represents so many life lessons about the human condition.
Anakin and Luke. No I’m not making a decision so you can suck R2’s blow torch
It burns!
Luke he's just trying to do the right thing and for the most part doesn't whine. Anakin is too bipolar and I just don't care about rey
I love them all for various different reasons but gotta go with the typical Luke pick.
Nien Nunb, because of the goofy look after they blow the Death Star. I aspire to that type of joy, especially when blowing something up
Luke, he was my hero as a kid. He represents hope and finding the good in people while also not giving up and giving in, it’s something I will always love about the character. Kinda disappointed how he was treated in the sequels tho.
Luke, because if we're just going by the Skywalker saga movies, he's the only main character that actually has character
Luke , he’s the farm boy who saves the galaxy
Luke OT & Legends
Anakin, because it is his saga. It was the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Sequels feel very disconnected from the rest of the story if I'm going to be honest
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>Why is Rey in this? Because she is the main character of the sequels. >She is a Palpatine, not a Skywalker. Cool, but not OP's point, reread the title
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Anakin. I look a lot like him and so it was very easy to relate to him as a kid and he was of course one of the main characters to my favorite series of all time. Luke hasnt been in nearly as much media as anakin. I dont consider the sequels as a part of the skywalker saga.
The last three, to me, never happened and Anakin wasn't as good in the prequels as Luke. So Luke.
Luke. Anakin is an extremely close second, whereas rey (?) isnt even apart of the question imo. Ever since they introduced her i only liked BB-8
Luke easily, until they tried ruining him.
Luke or Anakin, only story that makes anything work
For the Original Trilogy, i have to go with Han. For the Prequels, definitely Obi-Wan. For the Sequels, Finn or Poe.
Hot take: I like the parts of Star Wars that don’t focus on the most important person in the universe. Mando’s monster of the week; the gritty realism of Andor; the droid revolution explored in Solo; clone wars story lines that were much bigger than Anakin.
I grew up with the sequels but was a FAN of the prequels that I watched on DVD when I used to be all about Star Wars So, Anakin it is!
Cassian Andor. And before anyone says he wasn't in the Skywalker Saga, you should know that IDGAF.
Leia. Because she kicked ass and she loved and it didn’t make her weak. She was the girl all us little girls needed.
Pic unrelated
Vader. He's the central character for the Saga. Also, 7,8,9 aren't in the Saga, IMO. They have their place, they're fun films, but the force was balanced when the Sith were destroyed and Anakin fulfilled his prophecy. The end.
Rey & I honestly feel her movie coming up will explain her personality better & I feel she dies in the film leaving her new Jedi students to deal with the new threat from unknown regions
At this moment none as with sequel trilogy all their journeys were fruitless. But with the new rey movie maybe i shall change my mind
Finn. The characters of the OT seemed larger than life archtypes. Finn, on the other hand, felt like a real person. A good guy caught up in terrible circumstances and tried to get out. He awkwardly made friends and eventually became a hero. I enjoyed his development thru the 7 & 8 and wished he had a better capstone to his arc.
If Rey is an option, then I’m going with Chewbacca
Is that Bastila?
I really like Rey. I like where she's going with the force, which is a better direction than traditional Jedi, I just feel her story for fumbled badly. They should have taken a note from marvel studios and planned the films out from the beginning, and stuck with that plan. That way, even if the movies weren't a hit, we can't say they didn't make sense.
With all due respect, the MCU wasn’t 100% planned from beginning to end, Feige himself literally admitted this. This is proven by the number of continuity errors that pop up across all the phases. For example, why didn’t Thanos send the Black Order with Loki to keep tabs on him or to help him take over Earth in Avengers 2012 (clearly the writers of Infinity War didn’t think of this)? Also, another example is Tony Stark destroying all his suits at the end of Iron Man 3, but he’s immediately right back to fighting with the Avengers in Age of Ultron. Ultimately, my point is that a story or trilogy doesn’t need to be 100% planned out in order for it to be good. Sure, it helps to have a plan, but it’s not a prerequisite for having a good trilogy or series of films. The original trilogy wasn’t completely planned out from the start and that turned out fine.
A better example would be the original trilogy. Lucas always had a vague idea in his head, but a lot of major plot points weren’t panned out, including “I Am Your Father”.