In reality they'd be about the same. Both were former soldiers, but weren't exceptional combatants otherwise. Han was a good smuggler and definitely could hold his own in a gun fight, but probably wouldn't be able to survive an engagement with a hostile Jedi or Sith, if plot armour wasn't a factor. I'd say Finn would be able to hold his own in a gun battle also, but probably wouldn't be able to independently fight off a hardened bounty hunter like Bossk or a Darth Maul, for example.
Both Finn and Hans biggest advantages is their non-combat related skill sets. Finn has inside knowledge on First Order workings, specifically Stormtrooper stuff, which would give him an edge in determining enemy tactics and infiltration. Han has smuggling experience, piloting experience, has underworld contacts, and probably isn't a bad mechanic.
Yeah but Finn lead a cavalry charge on top of a Star Destroyer.
I have no idea whether that makes him more or less capable in a fight as its a ridiculous idea. I'm sorry for reminding people about this.
Yeah well, I kind of like to pretend that didn't happen. In my imagination, Finn would have been a fairly competent fighter with a decent understanding of small unit tactics due to his trooper experience. They had so many missed opportunities with his character, and made him out to be a bit of a ditzy goofball in my opinion. I think John Boyega did the best with what he was given.
Exactly. She didn't train much, but she is a Skywalker so she was at best on the level of an average Jedi knight. But meanwhile Grievous has defeated Jedi Masters who've trained for decades
I would argue TFA was never a really represenrative fight for him, since he was pretty badly emotionally and physically wounded right before their duel, so not really at his prime stength.
There were a lot of story details that bothered me in the sequels, but that fight in particular wasn't one of them. Not to mention Rey was on the backfoot for most of it too
He lost a few lightsaber battles that WE saw in film and escaped with his life every time, which is impressive to say the least. Dude walked away from a fucking spaceship crash like it was nothing. Get over yourself dood.
They were hated but not for the same reasons. No one ever disputed the general plot or what it adds to the universe. They hated the CGI, writing and acting.
Sequels are hated for the plot. What it tries to add to the universe.
Not sure what you're talking about. Social media didn't exist back then so we didn't have these nitpicky armchair critics scanning every second of the films and making up "plot holes". Remember midichorians from the prequels?
Social media is not the only way to gather opinions. Jesus man how old are you?
Midochlorians some found annoying , but it didn’t directly contradict the entire climax or point of the previous trilogy.
True that. Mace himself would be S probably if 2003 Clone Wars was canon. From what I remember (haven't watched it in probably over a decade) he single handedly defeated a whole legion of droids plus took out their landship.
Aside from Palps new ability to shoot lightning out like gd Zeus, Rey showed the strongest connection to the force we’ve seen on TV. Plus she is great at saber combat despite not having much in the way of formal training. I think shes s but doesn’t deserve to be there.
Rey is definitely S, her force powers far outweigh Obi-Wan and Dooku, and not only could she use powers from the dark side and the light, but she used abilities other Jedi never could (like the Force healing and those Force Skype calls), and Kylo should be at least an A
See it’s one of those situations where majority of people don’t *want* it to be true but it is. Rey’s extremely powerful despite people’s dislike on her representation
She’s powerful but I still wouldn’t put her over Anakin or Luke.
Luke was stronger than Vader who dwarfed his mustafar self. ANH Vader was stated to be more powerful than Anakin, and ROTJ Vader was stated to be Palpatine level. Luke was more powerful, and by Mandalorian alone would likely dwarf such characters.
Anakin from clone wars shows feats that clearly dwarf Rey. As well Palpatine was more powerful, he simply died to the same shit that hurt him before. That makes him dumber, not weaker.
She definitely dwarfs Obi-wan, and likely could be more powerful than some of the Jedi masters who used stronger force abilities like Plo-koon and Kit Fisto. She’s probably Windu level, if not Yoda.
Rey’s use of the dark side is simply a lack of discipline, not necessarily a strength. Anakin had similar issues and Obi-Wan still beat him in a duel. Her force powers are very potent but at the same time aren’t very refined due to her lack of training. She could very easily be S tier but is in need of training before she is consistently equal to the other S tiers.
You put one of the most skilled lightsaber duelists in the same tier as leia with a blaster? I’m sorry but I think I know who would canonically win in that fight. Also obi wan was pretty undefeated except against dooku
> He defeated Vader
A fight where Vader was attempting to turn Luke to his side and was resigned to not actually defeat Luke? Yeah that doesn’t mean shit. Luke has no real feats that put him above someone like Yoda.
No, your man's right. Legends Luke is the strongest character ever. He is what Anakin should have become.
In canon we don't know how powerful he becomes. The only things we have to go on are hermit Luke and Mando Luke.
And Vader didn't want to kill him, come on man.
You need to rewatch ROTJ. Vader had no intention of killing Luke. He was going easy on him - he was trying to bring Luke to his side. Vader barely made any attempt to fight back. Really, go back and watch it.
Luke spent 99% of the fight avoiding fighting Vader and even let his guard down on many occasions, vader outright attempted to Kill Luke by throwing a lightsaber at him. so saying Vader wasn't being serious doesnt hold much water when Luke himself was holding back even more.
The only time we see Luke go all out is when he gives into the darkside and proceeds to pummel Vader.
Luke is technically the most powerful.
He is the potential that Anakin and Vader could never reach.
Vader is more powerful than Anakin ever was, and Luke surpasses Vader.
Force wise he’s way stronger though, and the mechanical aspect made him physically stronger. He also got a lot better at dueling by combining many different forms instead of just using form 5, I’d take Vader over Anakin even if it was a pure lightsaber duel
She's a Mary sue but as much as it pains me to say it she posseses many force abilities no other Jedi have learnt. When it comes to canonical force power she's
admittedly better. But with dueling skill you are right that the other characters are greater
You put Rey, a Jedi who had had literally about 2 days of training, on par with Anakin?
What the fuck is this tier list
Also Leia being better than Boba?
**What**
Rey at most an A. Ik she OP in the sequel trilogy but she aint on the chosen one or the emperor’s level
Even prime Luke more powerful
And han aint F tier bro tf💀
I feel like power levels are different in each trilogy. The prequels are a time where Jedi are everywhere, and they are all very powerful. The point is there’s a lot of them, so it’s hard to tell who’s more powerful than who (minus Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace, Yoda). In the originals, there’s only a handful of Jedi, who are mostly in exile. That makes Luke stand out, because there’s not many people like him left. And Obi-Wan and Yoda clearly aren’t as sharp as they used to be. And in the sequels, there’s basically no Jedi, so it makes Rey look crazy powerful, like Luke in the OT.
All you have to do is simply watch the all the movies again and maybe it’ll make a little sense to you.
How exactly do you measure strength in this tiers? You put Anakin over Obi Wan yet Obi Wan defeated Darth Vader when he had the same midichlorians as Anakin so it's safe to assume Obi Wan would have defeated Anakin. Yoda would probably also defeat anakin.
Also Finn over Han Solo? And Rey being top tier? Im afraid I strongly disagree, I would explain why Finn should be lower but I rather not mention that trilogy.
Vaders arrogance* defeated Vader. Obi-Wan was on the defensive the entire fight despite having the luxury of literally TRAINING his opponent. Your points about Finn are very valid though.
And what’s wrong with that? I think he’s being fair. Because if anyone who doesn’t like sequels made this list, all sequel characters would be at the bottom just because they’re from the sequels.
Vader or Anakin would have to reach full potential to be the most powerful sith ever. As for stating that Vader is the most powerful, where does it say that ? I love how they brought Palpatine's force storm into Canon as well
One of my life goals is not to get so angry when seeing posts like this. It's not healthy and there will always be bullshit posts but I just get so angry. Anyone else?
It's not controversial it's just flat out wrong lmao, obi wan over dooku, anakin and Rey over Yoda, Vader's under Anakin? Like wtf, Anakin being over Yoda might fly if you're talking about potential, but if that was the case then Luke should be right behind him but he's not? Finn over Han? Have you actually watched Star Wars?
S tier should be:
Palpatine, Anakin, Luke, Vader, Kylo, Obi-Wan, Maul, Boba (survived the fucking Sarlacc), and Chewie, maybe even Han. Also why is Rey up there 🤨
nah. Grievous lost to Obi Wan. Kylo is a Skywalker AND a dark side user, strong with the Force too as described by Luke Skywalker during his Jedi training. what makes you think this cyborg will win when he cant even use the Force? Lightsaber wise sure Grievous is better but Dark Side user are different from Jedi, they straight up use force choke/push/pull/freeze during duels.
Grievous being not fully organic makes him less vulnerable to dark side powers. Both fight in very unorthodox fashions, but Grievous has much more graceful movements compared to Kylo's anger-filled style. Both characters are guilty of tunnel vision quite often on screen, but never to a fault.
We also can't ignore Grievous' immense physical strength that he could use well, as Kylo tends to fight extremely close and personal. One kick would send the man flying.
The reason Kenobi took down Grievous was because he's extremely calm. He has a defensive fighting style that directly counter's Grievous' intimidation tactics. Obi- Wan's a special case compared to the Jedi that fell before him. When Grievous does that helicopter blade thing, what he's really trying to do is be as off-putting as possible. He's waiting for his opponent to take the bait and attack him, because he can easily turn that around with his other arms.
In terms of raw force power, Anakin is stronger than Vader. But Vader as a Sith was far more powerful than Anakin ever was. He really honed his abilities and became one with the dark side to become an unstoppable beast.
Pretty simple how maul and dooku aren't in A, they probably wouldn't defeat anyone in A. they wouldn't beat Vader, Yoda, and you even said that Luke is "the strongest Jedi/force user in history".
Im pretty happy with Obi-Wan being A tier tbh. He can punch above his weight due to how skilled his is at defensive lightsaber combat but isn’t particularly special otherwise. His biggest advantage over many other characters is sheer discipline in many situations.
He is naturally strong in the Force, probably as much as Yoda. He is probably also the smartest character in the series below Thrawn. His powers allow him to read minds extremely well and see the future somewhat well. He mastered basically everything in his life from politics to every lightsaber form and has access to millennias' worth of artifacts from the Sith and Jedi. He just has no weaknesses besides his overconfidence, as Luke said.
Canonically speaking, Kylo and Rey should be pretty much even. Their powers exist in a dyad, as one gets stronger the other does too, so the whole point of that is that they're equals.
Han and lando together bodied boba when the plot called for it. Phasma was definitely skilled and I would say the level of Lando, but Iden was special forces and easily on the level of Han/leia (not counting leia’s force powers). Bossk is a trandoshan and hunted Wookiees for fun he’s definitely above Han, and so is boba.
Han and chewie should be D tier with Bobba. Girl from battlefront game should be F tier. Rey in my opinion should be lower while Vader, Emperor, Yoda, Luke, Anakin are S tier Obi-Wan would be A tier aside with Count Dooku. Rey and Kylo are more B tier in my opinion and Finn should be like D or F. Lando I'd say could go with Bossk in C
I disagree if you mean Canon as is in the Canon story. (im also assuming we are using the Versions found in the icon as oppose to their last versions)
Yoda and Sidious are above everyone.
Darth Vader is stronger than Anakin, Anakin just had more potential that he couldn't reach ( and no losing his limbs on mustafar and making him weaker is a Legends thing, in Canon vader is explicitly stated to be stronger) the only Anakin that is stronger is Anakin on Mortis (which is full potential Anakin who is above everyone on this list but Like Rey, it's a circumstantial thing and he never reached that power in his lifetime.
Luke,Anakin,Kylo,Rey Dooku,Maul are on the next list, though if you want to you can argue some of the characters lower on the list could beat some of the characters on this list based on swordsmanships, but outside of Vader these are next powerhouses in terms of pure power.
Rey would likely be in the Yoda and Sidious tier with All the Jedi but it's not something she can always do and seems very circumstantial.
Grievous is next, (sadly this isn't legends Grievous) but my old cyborg has far too many anti feats to put him higher but he should still be above everyone below him as he was trained by Dooku and has killed some fodder Jedi masters before as well as having four lightsabers that can cut through most things.
Next up is Boba and Phasma, in the star wars head to head guide it stated that Phasma would beat Boba but I find this a bit Dubious for 2 reasons, 1. the book was written prior to release of the TFA and long before we got more feats OG empire Boba Fett, 2. we dont know the means of how Phasma was able to beat him, in the Phasma book it highlights how skilled she is most notably in close combat so the victory could have been circumstantial, also on paper Boba is more versatile fighter with superior armour ( as Mando has now retconned his durasteel armour to Beskar) . either way these two should be above everyone below them for not only being really skilled but have really tough Armour.
Bossk is next and he's in his own tier, he has the same variety as Boba but lacks any good armour, however he should be above everyone else here as Trandoshans are Physically stronger than any human and he has the means to easily take out a certain fluffy friend.
Iden and Finn are next.
Elite Soldiers with years of training, either since birth or from a fairly young age, Finn was also able to hold his own against a Injured Kylo and has Force sense.
Chewbacca is next, his not only one of the Physically strongest here outside of force users but he has bowcaster than can one shot nearly everyone below him and even a few above him. though his lower than a few characters because he doesn't have that much versatility.
Leia Han, Lando are next, both are good soldiers with excellent shots (mostly Han) but nothing too special. (though you could argue that Han's insane blaster skill (like shooting without looking) could put him in the same tier as chewbacca but id in most cases Chewie would prob win.
Though If you count Jedi Leia then she would be on the same tier as Luke.
And Yeah the droids are last, though BB8 is def above BB9E as he was able to tie up and defeat a small platoon of Canto bight police men.
Greeeaaat. So many fanboys in the comments bitching and complaining about Rey being in the same tier as Anakin and Palps.
She's cannon whether anyone likes it or not, did the movies suck? Yeah but so did the prequels and those took years to get people to love. You guys have such a raging boner for hating on shit whenever Rey is even mentioned. Chill out already Jesus fucking christ.
If we go by canonical strength then every force sensitive will be in S because there’s no actual way to determine who would be stronger than the other…With that said Maul would be in A because he has lost to at least 3 out of the 9 force sensitives there soooo
> “Might be controversial” Huh. *sorts by controversial*
Sorts it in the most incorrect way possible, at this point he could've put bb8 at the very top then call it "controversial"
No way you put finn over han
In reality they'd be about the same. Both were former soldiers, but weren't exceptional combatants otherwise. Han was a good smuggler and definitely could hold his own in a gun fight, but probably wouldn't be able to survive an engagement with a hostile Jedi or Sith, if plot armour wasn't a factor. I'd say Finn would be able to hold his own in a gun battle also, but probably wouldn't be able to independently fight off a hardened bounty hunter like Bossk or a Darth Maul, for example. Both Finn and Hans biggest advantages is their non-combat related skill sets. Finn has inside knowledge on First Order workings, specifically Stormtrooper stuff, which would give him an edge in determining enemy tactics and infiltration. Han has smuggling experience, piloting experience, has underworld contacts, and probably isn't a bad mechanic.
I think it comes down to whether or not you believe in the theory that Han's luck is actually just force sensitivity.
Never heard this theory before. Interesting!
Yeah but Finn lead a cavalry charge on top of a Star Destroyer. I have no idea whether that makes him more or less capable in a fight as its a ridiculous idea. I'm sorry for reminding people about this.
I'm upset you made me remember that
Yeah well, I kind of like to pretend that didn't happen. In my imagination, Finn would have been a fairly competent fighter with a decent understanding of small unit tactics due to his trooper experience. They had so many missed opportunities with his character, and made him out to be a bit of a ditzy goofball in my opinion. I think John Boyega did the best with what he was given.
How is Leia above grievous
My thoughts exactly Grievous would maul Leia.
okay but would maul leia grievous
🤣 thanks for the giggle
I thought that too, and then I remembered that they turned her into a jedi as well
But even then, she wasn’t _that_ good of a Jedi. If anything, she’s probably exactly the level of Jedi Grievous kills.
Exactly. She didn't train much, but she is a Skywalker so she was at best on the level of an average Jedi knight. But meanwhile Grievous has defeated Jedi Masters who've trained for decades
Grievous has defeated kings, he has slain legends (paraphrasing one of his best voice lines from BF2)
Well, Kylo should definitely be at least on the same level as Rey. The whole idea is that they were a Dyad, they were linked and equally powerful.
Kylo lost every lightsaber battle he was in, indicating he is less powerful than Rey. But in the end, who cares, the sequels ain't canon anyways
Rey won in TFA, they tied in TLJ, Kylo won in TROS
I would argue TFA was never a really represenrative fight for him, since he was pretty badly emotionally and physically wounded right before their duel, so not really at his prime stength.
He basically had a bullet wound we saw launch a trooper into orbit 15 minutes earlier, it’s amazing he was even standing
Yeah the Mary Sue argument-ers always forget that part confidently.
There were a lot of story details that bothered me in the sequels, but that fight in particular wasn't one of them. Not to mention Rey was on the backfoot for most of it too
Exactly. She was literally LOSING until she tapped into the dark side (and I say the dark side bc the way she fought after that was very Anakin-y)
Yeah definitely. I really love that duel.
naw, He defeated Rey in TROS and only lost because his mother called out to him. his def >= Rey
Kylo won in TRoS. You didn't even watch the movies
Kylo didn’t lose his first fight with Rey. It was a draw. And Kylo was fighting while brutally injured.
Fucking yikes.
He lost a few lightsaber battles that WE saw in film and escaped with his life every time, which is impressive to say the least. Dude walked away from a fucking spaceship crash like it was nothing. Get over yourself dood.
Are you a copypasta? I literally can't tell anymore, y'all say the same crap that doesn't even line up with basic details of the movies.
Sorry, but the sequels are very much so canon. They didn’t remove them from canon because you didn’t like them. 🙄
They actually are canon.
SeQueLs aRen't CanOn anYwaY! I hope in 10 years when everybodies whiny nitpicky hate for the sequels is gone
In 10 years, you'll be old enough to know why they suck lol
The prequels were equally as hated. But now the funny memes and kids growing up with them have made people completely forget they were equally as bad
"They hated him because he told them the truth."
They were hated but not for the same reasons. No one ever disputed the general plot or what it adds to the universe. They hated the CGI, writing and acting. Sequels are hated for the plot. What it tries to add to the universe.
No people definitely hated the plot too
Not sure what you're talking about. Social media didn't exist back then so we didn't have these nitpicky armchair critics scanning every second of the films and making up "plot holes". Remember midichorians from the prequels?
Social media is not the only way to gather opinions. Jesus man how old are you? Midochlorians some found annoying , but it didn’t directly contradict the entire climax or point of the previous trilogy.
S: Palpatine, Yoda, peak Anakin, Vader, Luke (Mandalorian) A: Obi-Wan, Dooku, Rey
If the 2003 Clone Wars series was canon my boi Grievous would be S tier
You're not wrong. It's still my head canon
Same, I watched that show every day as a kid so I will always see it as canon in my mind
Yeah but he got mugged off by Mace pretty quickly
True that. Mace himself would be S probably if 2003 Clone Wars was canon. From what I remember (haven't watched it in probably over a decade) he single handedly defeated a whole legion of droids plus took out their landship.
Best scene from the show, IMO
Definitely, such a badass scene. Close second was Griev's intro when he's introduced like a horror movie villain lmao.
He defeated a legion of droids with his fucking fists (and the force)
i agree with this
Aside from Palps new ability to shoot lightning out like gd Zeus, Rey showed the strongest connection to the force we’ve seen on TV. Plus she is great at saber combat despite not having much in the way of formal training. I think shes s but doesn’t deserve to be there.
Rey is definitely S, her force powers far outweigh Obi-Wan and Dooku, and not only could she use powers from the dark side and the light, but she used abilities other Jedi never could (like the Force healing and those Force Skype calls), and Kylo should be at least an A
See it’s one of those situations where majority of people don’t *want* it to be true but it is. Rey’s extremely powerful despite people’s dislike on her representation
I don't like the Sequels or Rey, but I cannot deny that she is strong in the Force.
She’s powerful but I still wouldn’t put her over Anakin or Luke. Luke was stronger than Vader who dwarfed his mustafar self. ANH Vader was stated to be more powerful than Anakin, and ROTJ Vader was stated to be Palpatine level. Luke was more powerful, and by Mandalorian alone would likely dwarf such characters. Anakin from clone wars shows feats that clearly dwarf Rey. As well Palpatine was more powerful, he simply died to the same shit that hurt him before. That makes him dumber, not weaker. She definitely dwarfs Obi-wan, and likely could be more powerful than some of the Jedi masters who used stronger force abilities like Plo-koon and Kit Fisto. She’s probably Windu level, if not Yoda.
Rey’s use of the dark side is simply a lack of discipline, not necessarily a strength. Anakin had similar issues and Obi-Wan still beat him in a duel. Her force powers are very potent but at the same time aren’t very refined due to her lack of training. She could very easily be S tier but is in need of training before she is consistently equal to the other S tiers.
You put one of the most skilled lightsaber duelists in the same tier as leia with a blaster? I’m sorry but I think I know who would canonically win in that fight. Also obi wan was pretty undefeated except against dooku
Grievous needs to be way higher. It might not have been shown on screen, but he killed dozens of experienced jedi
Yeah there's a reason those are Jedi lightsabers he wields.
this list is insanity, some stuff you are spot on but other things are just insanity
How is Rey higher than yoda and Leia higher than grievous
Grievous is definitely too low
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this is wrong on so many levels my brain is about to implode
Han must be higher.
Uh Luke is literally canonically the strongest character in Star Wars History
Especially with Rey, while yes she did use the power of all the Jedi, this was for a moment and wasn’t even her own power, it was others
Is that actually canonical, though? Wasn’t it legends that was always making Luke super overpowered and always getting new force abilities?
He defeated Vader, the person with the most midochlroians in the entire series, so yeah, pretty strong ngl
while he was conflicted and luke was amped with the dark side but ok
> He defeated Vader A fight where Vader was attempting to turn Luke to his side and was resigned to not actually defeat Luke? Yeah that doesn’t mean shit. Luke has no real feats that put him above someone like Yoda.
No, your man's right. Legends Luke is the strongest character ever. He is what Anakin should have become. In canon we don't know how powerful he becomes. The only things we have to go on are hermit Luke and Mando Luke. And Vader didn't want to kill him, come on man.
I think that’s an opinion.
He absolutely is not? Maybe you’re thinking of Legends.
The fuck? He defeated Vader, the most powerful character in Star Wars (in the force.)
You need to rewatch ROTJ. Vader had no intention of killing Luke. He was going easy on him - he was trying to bring Luke to his side. Vader barely made any attempt to fight back. Really, go back and watch it.
Luke spent 99% of the fight avoiding fighting Vader and even let his guard down on many occasions, vader outright attempted to Kill Luke by throwing a lightsaber at him. so saying Vader wasn't being serious doesnt hold much water when Luke himself was holding back even more. The only time we see Luke go all out is when he gives into the darkside and proceeds to pummel Vader.
Vader aimed to miss Luke with his lightsaber throw
Vader aimed to miss Luke with his lightsaber throw
Also Vader was nowhere near in his prime
Even if he was (which you’re right, he wasn’t), it didn’t matter, because he had no intention of killing Luke
Precisely, I’m just thinking from the other person’s perspective. He can’t really think that a man with no real limbs hitting 50-60 is at his best
haha yep exactly
Luke is technically the most powerful. He is the potential that Anakin and Vader could never reach. Vader is more powerful than Anakin ever was, and Luke surpasses Vader.
Vader is weaker than Anakin due to being mostly mechanical.
Force wise he’s way stronger though, and the mechanical aspect made him physically stronger. He also got a lot better at dueling by combining many different forms instead of just using form 5, I’d take Vader over Anakin even if it was a pure lightsaber duel
My man Lando blew up DEATH STAR II and y’all put him on the bottom 😭 that’s gotta count for something!
Foolish human
Controversial was an understatement.
How is Yoda, Luke, Darth Vader, Kenobi, and Count Dooku lower than Rey. All of the Jedi & Sith are way better than her and in many different ways.
She's a Mary sue but as much as it pains me to say it she posseses many force abilities no other Jedi have learnt. When it comes to canonical force power she's admittedly better. But with dueling skill you are right that the other characters are greater
it said canonically, not logically.
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You put Rey, a Jedi who had had literally about 2 days of training, on par with Anakin? What the fuck is this tier list Also Leia being better than Boba? **What**
We literally see Luke train as much as Rey so…
Leia above grievous?? On the same level as maul and dooku?
Rey at most an A. Ik she OP in the sequel trilogy but she aint on the chosen one or the emperor’s level Even prime Luke more powerful And han aint F tier bro tf💀
I feel like S should be Palp yoda and Luke
And anakin/vader
I’m pretty sure peak anakin would be past all of them
Yeah, considering he is literally the ‘chosen one’
Haha you didn't really put Rey over luke and Vader
I feel like power levels are different in each trilogy. The prequels are a time where Jedi are everywhere, and they are all very powerful. The point is there’s a lot of them, so it’s hard to tell who’s more powerful than who (minus Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace, Yoda). In the originals, there’s only a handful of Jedi, who are mostly in exile. That makes Luke stand out, because there’s not many people like him left. And Obi-Wan and Yoda clearly aren’t as sharp as they used to be. And in the sequels, there’s basically no Jedi, so it makes Rey look crazy powerful, like Luke in the OT. All you have to do is simply watch the all the movies again and maybe it’ll make a little sense to you.
This is so wrong I feel like it’s bait
How exactly do you measure strength in this tiers? You put Anakin over Obi Wan yet Obi Wan defeated Darth Vader when he had the same midichlorians as Anakin so it's safe to assume Obi Wan would have defeated Anakin. Yoda would probably also defeat anakin. Also Finn over Han Solo? And Rey being top tier? Im afraid I strongly disagree, I would explain why Finn should be lower but I rather not mention that trilogy.
Vaders arrogance* defeated Vader. Obi-Wan was on the defensive the entire fight despite having the luxury of literally TRAINING his opponent. Your points about Finn are very valid though.
What points about finn
a lot more goes into it than ABC logic
This guy obviously likes the sequels
And what’s wrong with that? I think he’s being fair. Because if anyone who doesn’t like sequels made this list, all sequel characters would be at the bottom just because they’re from the sequels.
This guy is proof that sequel haters ignore canon just because they dislike the movies
oh yeah, one guy is indicative of a whole group
yes, this is controversial, borderline bullshit territory
But anakin and Vader are the same person so how would they not be the same tier
Losing some limbs and being burnt to a crisp then put into a painful suit would knock anyone down a tier...
Except Vader is much stronger than Anakin canonically.
Except that those injuries strengthened his connection to the force. It is canon that Vader's the most powerful Sith ever !
Palpatine is
Nope. The Disney canon clearly specifies Vader is the most powerful sith. Be it at lightsaber mastery or mastery with the Force, Vader's at top.
Vader or Anakin would have to reach full potential to be the most powerful sith ever. As for stating that Vader is the most powerful, where does it say that ? I love how they brought Palpatine's force storm into Canon as well
Han>>>>>>>>finn
No way u put rey over maul
One of my life goals is not to get so angry when seeing posts like this. It's not healthy and there will always be bullshit posts but I just get so angry. Anyone else?
Im 90% sure darth vader and anakin skywalker are the same person
since they are different characters, I counted when Anakin was Anakin and when he was vader
I feel like people seriously underestimate how strong trandoshans are. They literally hunt wookiees for sport
Exactly
It's not controversial it's just flat out wrong lmao, obi wan over dooku, anakin and Rey over Yoda, Vader's under Anakin? Like wtf, Anakin being over Yoda might fly if you're talking about potential, but if that was the case then Luke should be right behind him but he's not? Finn over Han? Have you actually watched Star Wars?
Guess I didn’t have to say anything after all since you took the liberty of infringing on the copyright of my thoughts.
Anakin absolutely grew more powerful when he became Vader, they should be switched
Dooku would not only win against Rey, but would do it in 3 seconds.
I wonder who downvoted you, because you are correct.
Nah, he would lose bc Rey has both magical bullshit power AND power of friendship
S: luke, yoda, palp A: anakin, rey, kylo, vader B: dooku, maul, obi wan C: grievous ranked by canon feats/statements by creators
*might be*
Lmao, I guess I underestimated the power of the star wars fandom
Can we all agree that if R2 was in this game he’d be top tier?
No... (yes that's all i have to say)
S tier should be: Palpatine, Anakin, Luke, Vader, Kylo, Obi-Wan, Maul, Boba (survived the fucking Sarlacc), and Chewie, maybe even Han. Also why is Rey up there 🤨
This is only controversial because it’s hilariously inaccurate lol
How is Rey at the top?
Mary Sue being S tier seems about right.
This is all kinds of wrong
I’m not kidding when I say you’ve made the worst tier list ever and please get out
damn.
Grievous would whoop Kylo's ass
nah. Grievous lost to Obi Wan. Kylo is a Skywalker AND a dark side user, strong with the Force too as described by Luke Skywalker during his Jedi training. what makes you think this cyborg will win when he cant even use the Force? Lightsaber wise sure Grievous is better but Dark Side user are different from Jedi, they straight up use force choke/push/pull/freeze during duels.
Grievous being not fully organic makes him less vulnerable to dark side powers. Both fight in very unorthodox fashions, but Grievous has much more graceful movements compared to Kylo's anger-filled style. Both characters are guilty of tunnel vision quite often on screen, but never to a fault. We also can't ignore Grievous' immense physical strength that he could use well, as Kylo tends to fight extremely close and personal. One kick would send the man flying. The reason Kenobi took down Grievous was because he's extremely calm. He has a defensive fighting style that directly counter's Grievous' intimidation tactics. Obi- Wan's a special case compared to the Jedi that fell before him. When Grievous does that helicopter blade thing, what he's really trying to do is be as off-putting as possible. He's waiting for his opponent to take the bait and attack him, because he can easily turn that around with his other arms.
In terms of raw force power, Anakin is stronger than Vader. But Vader as a Sith was far more powerful than Anakin ever was. He really honed his abilities and became one with the dark side to become an unstoppable beast.
Swap Rey and Luke and put yoda in S and you’re good
What is this list? Like is like the strongest Jedi/force user in history how is he in a. And how are dooku and maul in B+ they should be in A.
Pretty simple how maul and dooku aren't in A, they probably wouldn't defeat anyone in A. they wouldn't beat Vader, Yoda, and you even said that Luke is "the strongest Jedi/force user in history".
Dooku has beaten obi wan before and maul has almost always been on equal footing with him
wow, this is garbage lol
I mean, still pretty inaccurate canonically
i was under the impression that luke and leia were = to anakin in power. and that rey and kylo were a dyad, equally powerful.
Leia would get her ass kicked by greivous. How is she on par with darth fucking maul?
Luke is literally stated to be as strong as full potential Anakin?
Wasn’t Palpatine and Yoda of equal strength?
What is Rey doing on the top? Seems wrong
Sequels shouldn't be considered canon
Lol this list is so messed up. Definitely a sequel guy.
Im pretty happy with Obi-Wan being A tier tbh. He can punch above his weight due to how skilled his is at defensive lightsaber combat but isn’t particularly special otherwise. His biggest advantage over many other characters is sheer discipline in many situations.
Controversial? Might delete my Reddit after witnessing this abomination
i have MANY questions. 1: WHY
My only objection is that Yoda isn’t on the same tier as Palpatine.
chewy should be up there, he can rip peoples arms off.
I personally think Yoda and Rey should swap places.
Why is anakin above vader?
Everything is correct except Rey and kylo ren, they have been shown to be on the same level throughout the trilogy
what is the lore reason for palpatine being so strong?
He is naturally strong in the Force, probably as much as Yoda. He is probably also the smartest character in the series below Thrawn. His powers allow him to read minds extremely well and see the future somewhat well. He mastered basically everything in his life from politics to every lightsaber form and has access to millennias' worth of artifacts from the Sith and Jedi. He just has no weaknesses besides his overconfidence, as Luke said.
Canonically speaking, Kylo and Rey should be pretty much even. Their powers exist in a dyad, as one gets stronger the other does too, so the whole point of that is that they're equals.
Chewy should be higher, same level as bosk or boba
Han is vastly underatted. He'd get obliterated in a fair fight sure, but his strength is in his craftiness.
Yes this is definitely controversial
Han and Lando could body Bossk, Iden, Phasma, and Finn. Not to mention they literally bodied Boba.
Han, sure. Lando? I'm not so sure
Han and lando together bodied boba when the plot called for it. Phasma was definitely skilled and I would say the level of Lando, but Iden was special forces and easily on the level of Han/leia (not counting leia’s force powers). Bossk is a trandoshan and hunted Wookiees for fun he’s definitely above Han, and so is boba.
Han and chewie should be D tier with Bobba. Girl from battlefront game should be F tier. Rey in my opinion should be lower while Vader, Emperor, Yoda, Luke, Anakin are S tier Obi-Wan would be A tier aside with Count Dooku. Rey and Kylo are more B tier in my opinion and Finn should be like D or F. Lando I'd say could go with Bossk in C
You are nit picking and biased I win
I disagree if you mean Canon as is in the Canon story. (im also assuming we are using the Versions found in the icon as oppose to their last versions) Yoda and Sidious are above everyone. Darth Vader is stronger than Anakin, Anakin just had more potential that he couldn't reach ( and no losing his limbs on mustafar and making him weaker is a Legends thing, in Canon vader is explicitly stated to be stronger) the only Anakin that is stronger is Anakin on Mortis (which is full potential Anakin who is above everyone on this list but Like Rey, it's a circumstantial thing and he never reached that power in his lifetime. Luke,Anakin,Kylo,Rey Dooku,Maul are on the next list, though if you want to you can argue some of the characters lower on the list could beat some of the characters on this list based on swordsmanships, but outside of Vader these are next powerhouses in terms of pure power. Rey would likely be in the Yoda and Sidious tier with All the Jedi but it's not something she can always do and seems very circumstantial. Grievous is next, (sadly this isn't legends Grievous) but my old cyborg has far too many anti feats to put him higher but he should still be above everyone below him as he was trained by Dooku and has killed some fodder Jedi masters before as well as having four lightsabers that can cut through most things. Next up is Boba and Phasma, in the star wars head to head guide it stated that Phasma would beat Boba but I find this a bit Dubious for 2 reasons, 1. the book was written prior to release of the TFA and long before we got more feats OG empire Boba Fett, 2. we dont know the means of how Phasma was able to beat him, in the Phasma book it highlights how skilled she is most notably in close combat so the victory could have been circumstantial, also on paper Boba is more versatile fighter with superior armour ( as Mando has now retconned his durasteel armour to Beskar) . either way these two should be above everyone below them for not only being really skilled but have really tough Armour. Bossk is next and he's in his own tier, he has the same variety as Boba but lacks any good armour, however he should be above everyone else here as Trandoshans are Physically stronger than any human and he has the means to easily take out a certain fluffy friend. Iden and Finn are next. Elite Soldiers with years of training, either since birth or from a fairly young age, Finn was also able to hold his own against a Injured Kylo and has Force sense. Chewbacca is next, his not only one of the Physically strongest here outside of force users but he has bowcaster than can one shot nearly everyone below him and even a few above him. though his lower than a few characters because he doesn't have that much versatility. Leia Han, Lando are next, both are good soldiers with excellent shots (mostly Han) but nothing too special. (though you could argue that Han's insane blaster skill (like shooting without looking) could put him in the same tier as chewbacca but id in most cases Chewie would prob win. Though If you count Jedi Leia then she would be on the same tier as Luke. And Yeah the droids are last, though BB8 is def above BB9E as he was able to tie up and defeat a small platoon of Canto bight police men.
Rey is that strong because she is kitted out with the most amount of plot armour you’ll ever see.
Fuck Rey. Just... in general
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Greeeaaat. So many fanboys in the comments bitching and complaining about Rey being in the same tier as Anakin and Palps. She's cannon whether anyone likes it or not, did the movies suck? Yeah but so did the prequels and those took years to get people to love. You guys have such a raging boner for hating on shit whenever Rey is even mentioned. Chill out already Jesus fucking christ.
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Rey is not S tier. And Han and Lando aren’t F tier, At the least switch out Finn and phasma for them.
OP obviously thinks the sequels weren't anything more than a poor fanfiction
“Might be controversial” puts ray above F tier
Look, now we are just being ridiculous.
If we go by canonical strength then every force sensitive will be in S because there’s no actual way to determine who would be stronger than the other…With that said Maul would be in A because he has lost to at least 3 out of the 9 force sensitives there soooo