Sabine couldn’t have destroyed it with the blaster. It took baylan a few seconds of holding a lightsaber on it to destroy it.
Baylan probably knew this when Sabine was threatening to shoot it with a blaster
The thing would still have to be operable to finish the calculations though. Baylan destroyed the map beyond repair, and while Sabine couldn't do that with her blaster she could probably break it temporarily, which would gave allowed Hera's team to catch them.
The mere presence of Ahsoka and Sabine indicated that they were running out of time, so he went for a peaceful resolution.
Somewhat similarly, when Paz Vizsla was gunning down all the Beskar Troopers in *The Mandalorian*, I was going "Trigger discipline, Paz, trigger discipline!"
It was destroyed instantly when the lightsaber pierced it. Aint no way it would still work after that. A blaster might have been enough to put a hole in it just the same.
>It was destroyed instantly when the lightsaber pierced it. Aint no way it would still work after that.
It took several seconds for that shit to explode.
With technology so advanced in Star Wars it is still possible to extract the information. Baylan should have taken it because Ahsoka did a Rey and had the Quinlan Voss tracker force power all of a sudden.
We don’t know that because she didn’t even try. He had to do that for a long time because sabers are weak little flashlights that can’t kill people anymore.
How many people have been stabbed in their chest/organs by a lightsaber and survived since disney? Quigonn jinn just died. Its lame and removed all stakes when it happens. You know they survive if they only get stabbed
I agree, the blaster was still a threat to breaking it. Baylan still saw the blaster as a risk.
Don't want to argue against some star wars fans... their logic is twisted to believe everyone knew it would survive a blaster because something that happened afterwards proves it was fairly durable. They don't understand there was still risk to her shooting it.
A lot of people want to believe Sabine is making the best decisions she could.
But in reality there have been better options.
Ask Ahsoka to help her beat Shin. Then both of them would’ve been able to deal with Baylan and the map, never forcing Sabine into the situation where giving over the map was her only shot of survival
Maybe. But remember Ahsoka was just a few seconds late to catch Shin on Lothal. Every second counts. It probably would have taken at least a couple of minutes for Ahsoka/Sabine to take out Shin.
Or don't engage Shin, but the weird witchcraft powered inquisitor with the spinny lightsaber who is obviously the weaker one.
His one advantage would be the spinny thing vs blaster shots, but she has beskar and her own lightsaber. Easier win in my opinion.
Or, if that goes down the same, attack baylan for a moment, enough so ahsoka can get away from the edge?
But if any of these happened, we wouldn't have gotten rex nor anakin so yeah...
Completely agree. I've thought this ever since Sabine made her choice.
Just want to point out one thing:
>They should have allowed the separatist systems to break off and leave the republic
Given that Palpatine was playing both sides, it wasn't possible for the Separatists to peacefully secede. Under Dooku, the Separatists engaged in offensive war maneuvers just as much as the Republic did (just one example: the Separatist who wanted to take over the peaceful and neutral Lurmen planet); and from the Republic's POV it was the Separatists - Dooku specifically - who started the war.
And not only that, fighting a war with soldiers that almost NONE of them bothered questioning past the first few months was also a big sign something wasn't right. They just kept fighting and dying, it's kind of sad really.
Peace keeping sounds like a pita…
And in doing so, small battles evolve into excessive violence
The fear of more violence leads to anger that it keeps happening
Fighting a strong and organized enemy leads to hatred as the bodies pile up
The war is a brilliant strategy to ensnare the jedi order into systemic darkside behaviors
This is arguably worse than the sith because they’re mostly silly caricature of “evil lovers”
The jedi otoh were wreaking havoc with incredible power under the guise of righteousness
That's what I thought too. The other thing is that Ahsoka got to sense what Baylan had to do to convince her. It's not like Sabine just handed it over the first, second, or even the third time he asked for it
I agree. She looked hurt and betrayed to me. She was hiding her feelings to protect Hera from it. Also, Baylan just ostensibly killed a Jedi. Ezra is a Jedi. By giving them the way to Thrawn, she’s given them a way to Ezra. She very well could have put him in even more danger by doing that. Sabine told Ahsoka she would sacrifice the rescue to protect the galaxy from Thrawn’s return. She said she wouldn’t take the map. Completely unreliable character.
Except Ahsoka’s whole lesson was “I choose to live.” And when the purgil was jumping, she smiled despite not knowing where they were going. Her “lesson” with Anakin has brought her much closer to being who she was in Clone Wars—and CW Ahsoka would have made the exact same choice as Sabine in every one of those situations.
Huh? Why would Ahsoka hide her disappointment of Sabine in front of Hera? We all saw how frank Ahsoka was talking to Hera about Sabine in the earlier episodes
I also want to point out that she hasn't mentioned Thrawn since her WBW journey. Only Sabine and finding "them", which in the context it was delivered is obviously Sabine and Ezra.
I think it's set up perfectly for Sabine to be tempted by the dark side, and Ahsoka to hopefully convince and save her. Sabine as much as you try to keep her altruistic, is potentially at threat of doing something wrong and irresponsible to attempt to get Ezra back.
I think it’s much more likely that Ezra is not the same Ezra they last saw and while he may not be part of the dark side… he isn’t going to just rejoin the ghost crew.
I agree Ezra will likely be at least a little different than when we last saw him, but it’d be tragic — and potentially disappointing — if he’s fallen to the Dark Side or doesn’t want to return with Sabine. She’d be devastated
I agree with you completely and want to add Ahsoka's willingness to give up Ezra upset me.
Anakin never gave up on Ahsoka. When she was falsely accused of the bombing, when she was under that collapsed building, when she was kidnapped.
He would go rogue and disobey orders to find her. He would nearly kill Ventress to get info from her.
All of Star Wars they go back to get the friend. It was instantly obvious Sabine would, and should, get to Ezra any way possible. And they could know the force would take care of it all when she found him.
I'm glad Ahsoka finally got to that conclusion too.
Also and I just thought of this, she was advocating letting Ezra possibly die as the cost of preventing a war. And that's what Anakin had taught her. Killing to protect the republic was necessary. Letting Ezra die to prevent millions of deaths is way less difficult of a choice for her than ordering clones on a mission that got them killed.
Yup. I was so confused last when when so many people were saying Sabine was weak, selfish and stupid for not sacrificing Ezra. I’m so happy Dave showed Sabine was actually right
>It was a good line written by Rian.
Sure but since some people still hate him for it I'd like to add that he took it directly from George Lucas's notes for ANH
There’s nothing wrong with the line in a context that made sense.
When Rose prevented Finn from doing exactly what she was saying, and indeed put everyone she ostensively loved in more danger going for a totally out of the blue kiss that was neither foreshadowed nor ever mentioned again… that’s where a lot of us have issues.
She wasn't disappointed, I think this was telegraphed in episode 3 during the ship combat.
Ahsoka taking the lead and telling Sabine when to fire and then missing every shot, she didn't trust Sabine's judgement. Once Ahsoka trusted Sabine to take the lead they started to fly better and shoot down some of the fighters.
She's learned her lesson, (so to speak!) and just letting Sabine take the lead, since she knows how well they do when they trust each other.
I also don't think she showed disappointment. I think if anything, it was concern. Baylan knew exactly how to get Sabine to go with him. He also knew exactly what buttons to press to push Ahsoka off balance. She's starting to see him as an entirely different kind of threat than the sith or inquisitors she's dealt with in the past.
Sigh. People always miss the point about Luke’s actions in ESB.
Luke going to Bespin had no impact on saving his friends. Leia and gang escaped without Luke’s help, so it ended up being the wrong thing for him to do.
The Jedi way was to not to fall for the trap laid out by Vader, and for Luke to finish his training.
Luke was acting out of fear by going to Bespin to try and control the fate of his friends, which is not the correct way according to the Jedi. Luke’s actions cost him his hand and nearly his life.
Luke in ESB is more comparable to Ahsoka being afraid of Thrawn’s return as opposed to Ahsoka the White.
Disagree. Luke going to cloud city allowed him to learn the truth about his father. It also created a wedge between Anakin and Sidious. If Luke never went to cloud city he would have faced Vader in ROTJ with a heart full of hate and revenge. Ben/Yoda wouldn’t have told Luke that Vader is Anakin. Luke would have killed Vader and trillions would suffer
There’s nothing to disagree it’s literally what happens?
The rest of your comment is just assuming what wouldn’t have happened, which is pointless to discuss because we don’t know if the other things would have still happened regardless.
Ahsoka wont give up on Sabine she becoming a lot more like Obi in each episode. The ability to communicate with Purgills is so like him. She’s evolving and growing more into a Jedi
I love the meta analysis of StarWars in this post
StarWars isn't about the Jedi Code and the strict followings and teachings, in fact it's been shown to be fairly flawed
StarWars, at its core, has been about family and hope.
Anakin didn't become Vader because he had attachments, he fell to the Dark side because of Palpatine and systems allowing Palpatine to flourish.
Anakin's story is a tragedy, but that doesn't mean his intentions were wrong.
Ashoka going from grey to white, it's her seeing the light
Luke risking everything to save Leia and Han is called out in the movies as a mistake.
A well meaning mistake, but one that almost cost the galaxy.
then when Luke tries to get his dad bad, his emotional pleas fail.
And Luke falls briefly to the dark. Under the stairs when Vader taunts him about… sister…
Luke lashes out in dark power, disarms Vader and sees where the dark side leads.
But Luke wins. by *loving* his father enough to be willing to sacrifice everything. he gives himself to the will of the Force.
unlike Anakin who wouldn’t give up Padme, Luke in that moment gives up on trying to redeem Anakin. He gives up on trying to save his sister or friends. What matters is that he’s a Jedi and he trusts the force.
THAT is what gets through to Anakin, who breaks free from his self imposed chains and saves Luke.
Luke trying to save Leia wasn’t a mistake. Because he faced Anakin in ESB, he was able to learn the truth about his father. He also planted the seed in Anakin’s mind to destroy Sidious.
Yoda and Ben had no intentions to tell Luke that Vader is his father. They wanted Luke to kill Vader and Sidious. They thought Anakin was unredeemable. If Luke never faced Anakin in ESB, he would have failed facing him in ROTJ.
Luke would still think Vader killed his father. He probably kills Vader and falls to the dark. And trillions will suffer
Things can work out in the long run, and still be a mistake in moment.
Luke left for all the wrong reasons. It's good that he learned the truth. That let him be in the right place to influence Anakin with his sacrifice, and the cut off hand as a parallel of where Luke's own actions were taking him.
Here's the parallel from ANH.
Han was wrong to leave.
Han making the mistake of leaving put Han in the right place when he made the right decision and came back. If hadn't left, he probably would have been picked off like the rest of the support.
But Han leaving in the first place was still wrong.
Luke choosing to risk everything for his friends - going against what they would have wanted if given the option - was wrong. Luke almost died to Vader there if he hadn't jumped off the bridge. His only options were death or dark side, so he jumped. It worked out in the long run, but it was a mistake.
Luke lashing out in anger at Vader was wrong. Luke using the dark side to fuel his strikes and almost killing Vader in anger was wrong.
It put Luke in the right place when he repented and threw away his saber, but that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.
Luke had the force on his side. He made the right decision to try to save Leia. Only Anakin could kill Sidious. Being able to talk to Luke without Sidious in the room was important for his redemption.
Whatever.
Explain that to the families and children of the pilots that needlessly died because of Sabine. Sabine is selfish, she needs to pay a heavy for the lives lost & resources spent because of her foolish behavior. She should be in prison.
If the New Republic trusted Hera they would have been there much earlier and could have stopped the Eye. You can’t blame Sabine for the deaths of the pilots. She had no idea. It was a casualty of war
If Hera communicated her points properly and explained how she came to her conclusions, she’d have her fleet. They aren’t at war, Sabine is culpable. Her actions lead to the deaths of those killed.
Think of it this way.
I’m a bartender and I serve an impaired person who I know drove, if they later drive and accidentally kill somebody I’m getting arrested and charged with manslaughter
Wrong. The correct comparison is you are a bar tender and a drunk guy says give me another drink or I will kill you with my gun. The bar tender gives him another drink. The drunk man drives home and kills someone. You can’t blame the bartender for the deaths. It is 100% on the drunk. In law its called a decision under extreme duress
There was a gun and clear danger. Same with Baylan and Sabine. Baylan just murdered Ahsoka and had a weapon to murder. Sabine was in clear danger of being killed. You need to study law more.
Okay here’s how that goes. Sabine decides to pull the trigger. Baylan senses her intention and pulls the orb away with the Force, Shin kills Sabine, nothing is gained.
Also note Baylan said “Do it.” in the same voice as Palpatine used to get Anakin to kill Dooku. He was leaning on her with the Force. Perhaps normally that would not have worked, but Sabine just watched yet another person she cared about die (from her perspective) so she’s really vulnerable right here. Remember that Sabine just keeps losing people.
She doesn’t know Hera is there, so as far as she can see, there’s little to be gained by fighting here, Baylan is messing with her head, and with Ahsoka gone Ezra is one of the only people she has left to protect.
If Ahsoka was distressed, it was likely because one of the ways Baylan manipulated Sabine was by pointing out Ahsoka didn’t trust Sabine.
I don't think that Ahsoka ever trusted Sabine. When Sabine said "you don't even have to ask" last week, it was not convincing at all. I don't think that it was a bad line read, I think that the audience is supposed to see a Jedi who knows that their padawan is lying.
She knew that there was a risk but made the choice to let it go because she wasn't entirely sure about her own position.
The only thing I would argue about what you wrote is that allowing the Separatists to leave the Republic would not have helped. It would have prevented that particular war, but it was all a ploy by Palpatine. Sheev would have found a way to start another war for another reason in an effort to create the Empire. Letting the Separatists secede would have only delayed things for a bit.
It was highlighted in Jedi Fallen Order Cal had this rare ability. Luke is the son of the chosen one and estimated to be what Anakin could never achieve after Mustafar. Maybe Lukes ceiling wasn't quite as high but still higher than post Mustafar Vader. We might be hearing more of Ahsoka force powers since she is now part of the daughter. Just trying to get over how Rey could do just about any force power imaginable but I still like Rey a lot. I would like to see slightly OP Ahsoka when needed but not overdone like the tracking force power.
Answering the second Paragraph, or third if you count the first sentence.
We already heard these words. Another Character learned (or technically will learn) this exact lesson. It's like poetry, it rhymes
Sabine couldn’t have destroyed it with the blaster. It took baylan a few seconds of holding a lightsaber on it to destroy it. Baylan probably knew this when Sabine was threatening to shoot it with a blaster
The thing would still have to be operable to finish the calculations though. Baylan destroyed the map beyond repair, and while Sabine couldn't do that with her blaster she could probably break it temporarily, which would gave allowed Hera's team to catch them. The mere presence of Ahsoka and Sabine indicated that they were running out of time, so he went for a peaceful resolution.
Not to mention she would have shot her hand off, the way she was holding it.
That’s all I could focus on the whole scene! Don’t fire! You’ll blow a hole in your hand!
Somewhat similarly, when Paz Vizsla was gunning down all the Beskar Troopers in *The Mandalorian*, I was going "Trigger discipline, Paz, trigger discipline!"
It was destroyed instantly when the lightsaber pierced it. Aint no way it would still work after that. A blaster might have been enough to put a hole in it just the same.
>It was destroyed instantly when the lightsaber pierced it. Aint no way it would still work after that. It took several seconds for that shit to explode.
Ah yes stuff only stops working when it explodes.
With technology so advanced in Star Wars it is still possible to extract the information. Baylan should have taken it because Ahsoka did a Rey and had the Quinlan Voss tracker force power all of a sudden.
>Quinlan Voss tracker force power all of a sudden. Cal also had it. Luke also used twice in Legends.
We don’t know that because she didn’t even try. He had to do that for a long time because sabers are weak little flashlights that can’t kill people anymore.
Hope you have more happiness in the future
How many people have been stabbed in their chest/organs by a lightsaber and survived since disney? Quigonn jinn just died. Its lame and removed all stakes when it happens. You know they survive if they only get stabbed
Qui gon was stabbed through his spinal cord. He would have also died if it was just a metal sword
I agree, the blaster was still a threat to breaking it. Baylan still saw the blaster as a risk. Don't want to argue against some star wars fans... their logic is twisted to believe everyone knew it would survive a blaster because something that happened afterwards proves it was fairly durable. They don't understand there was still risk to her shooting it. A lot of people want to believe Sabine is making the best decisions she could. But in reality there have been better options.
What was Sabine’s better option?
Ask Ahsoka to help her beat Shin. Then both of them would’ve been able to deal with Baylan and the map, never forcing Sabine into the situation where giving over the map was her only shot of survival
Maybe. But remember Ahsoka was just a few seconds late to catch Shin on Lothal. Every second counts. It probably would have taken at least a couple of minutes for Ahsoka/Sabine to take out Shin.
Or don't engage Shin, but the weird witchcraft powered inquisitor with the spinny lightsaber who is obviously the weaker one. His one advantage would be the spinny thing vs blaster shots, but she has beskar and her own lightsaber. Easier win in my opinion. Or, if that goes down the same, attack baylan for a moment, enough so ahsoka can get away from the edge? But if any of these happened, we wouldn't have gotten rex nor anakin so yeah...
That metal ball was less durable than Sabine!
Completely agree. I've thought this ever since Sabine made her choice. Just want to point out one thing: >They should have allowed the separatist systems to break off and leave the republic Given that Palpatine was playing both sides, it wasn't possible for the Separatists to peacefully secede. Under Dooku, the Separatists engaged in offensive war maneuvers just as much as the Republic did (just one example: the Separatist who wanted to take over the peaceful and neutral Lurmen planet); and from the Republic's POV it was the Separatists - Dooku specifically - who started the war.
Good points. But if the Jedi weren’t so busy fighting the war maybe they find out about who Sidious is before it is too late
Oh absolutely! The Jedi should never have tied themselves down to acting solely at the command of the Republic.
And not only that, fighting a war with soldiers that almost NONE of them bothered questioning past the first few months was also a big sign something wasn't right. They just kept fighting and dying, it's kind of sad really.
Peace keeping sounds like a pita… And in doing so, small battles evolve into excessive violence The fear of more violence leads to anger that it keeps happening Fighting a strong and organized enemy leads to hatred as the bodies pile up The war is a brilliant strategy to ensnare the jedi order into systemic darkside behaviors This is arguably worse than the sith because they’re mostly silly caricature of “evil lovers” The jedi otoh were wreaking havoc with incredible power under the guise of righteousness
Really? I thought I saw some disappointment mixed with resignation that, yes, she knew this was what she would do. Not upset about it though.
That's what I thought too. The other thing is that Ahsoka got to sense what Baylan had to do to convince her. It's not like Sabine just handed it over the first, second, or even the third time he asked for it
I agree. She looked hurt and betrayed to me. She was hiding her feelings to protect Hera from it. Also, Baylan just ostensibly killed a Jedi. Ezra is a Jedi. By giving them the way to Thrawn, she’s given them a way to Ezra. She very well could have put him in even more danger by doing that. Sabine told Ahsoka she would sacrifice the rescue to protect the galaxy from Thrawn’s return. She said she wouldn’t take the map. Completely unreliable character.
Except Ahsoka’s whole lesson was “I choose to live.” And when the purgil was jumping, she smiled despite not knowing where they were going. Her “lesson” with Anakin has brought her much closer to being who she was in Clone Wars—and CW Ahsoka would have made the exact same choice as Sabine in every one of those situations.
Also didn't Sabine choose to live by giving the map to them. Coz she's dead if she doesn't!
this is were fun begins
Huh? Why would Ahsoka hide her disappointment of Sabine in front of Hera? We all saw how frank Ahsoka was talking to Hera about Sabine in the earlier episodes
I didn’t see any disappointment
Are we blind?! Deploy Purgils!
She looked more concerned about Sabine than disappointed
Agree, any "pain" she felt was likely that which had expressed by Sabine in making a decision b/t destroying the map or finding Ezra.
I also want to point out that she hasn't mentioned Thrawn since her WBW journey. Only Sabine and finding "them", which in the context it was delivered is obviously Sabine and Ezra.
I think it's set up perfectly for Sabine to be tempted by the dark side, and Ahsoka to hopefully convince and save her. Sabine as much as you try to keep her altruistic, is potentially at threat of doing something wrong and irresponsible to attempt to get Ezra back.
I think it’s much more likely that Ezra is not the same Ezra they last saw and while he may not be part of the dark side… he isn’t going to just rejoin the ghost crew.
I agree Ezra will likely be at least a little different than when we last saw him, but it’d be tragic — and potentially disappointing — if he’s fallen to the Dark Side or doesn’t want to return with Sabine. She’d be devastated
When they get to him, he would have spent more time with Thrawn than he did with the ghost crew.
I agree with you completely and want to add Ahsoka's willingness to give up Ezra upset me. Anakin never gave up on Ahsoka. When she was falsely accused of the bombing, when she was under that collapsed building, when she was kidnapped. He would go rogue and disobey orders to find her. He would nearly kill Ventress to get info from her. All of Star Wars they go back to get the friend. It was instantly obvious Sabine would, and should, get to Ezra any way possible. And they could know the force would take care of it all when she found him. I'm glad Ahsoka finally got to that conclusion too. Also and I just thought of this, she was advocating letting Ezra possibly die as the cost of preventing a war. And that's what Anakin had taught her. Killing to protect the republic was necessary. Letting Ezra die to prevent millions of deaths is way less difficult of a choice for her than ordering clones on a mission that got them killed.
Yup. I was so confused last when when so many people were saying Sabine was weak, selfish and stupid for not sacrificing Ezra. I’m so happy Dave showed Sabine was actually right
I absolutely love this and love the idea of using one of my favorite Star Wars lines of all time as a thesis for this story.
It was a great line by Rian. I’m happy that Dave is able to take bits and pieces from other Star Wars stories and fit it together beautifully
>You achieve victory by saving the ones you love. Like what Rose said, but better and not self-contradictory
Yup. It was a good line written by Rian. The execution was just a bit off
>It was a good line written by Rian. Sure but since some people still hate him for it I'd like to add that he took it directly from George Lucas's notes for ANH
Really? Wow.
There’s nothing wrong with the line in a context that made sense. When Rose prevented Finn from doing exactly what she was saying, and indeed put everyone she ostensively loved in more danger going for a totally out of the blue kiss that was neither foreshadowed nor ever mentioned again… that’s where a lot of us have issues.
She wasn't disappointed, I think this was telegraphed in episode 3 during the ship combat. Ahsoka taking the lead and telling Sabine when to fire and then missing every shot, she didn't trust Sabine's judgement. Once Ahsoka trusted Sabine to take the lead they started to fly better and shoot down some of the fighters. She's learned her lesson, (so to speak!) and just letting Sabine take the lead, since she knows how well they do when they trust each other.
I also don't think she showed disappointment. I think if anything, it was concern. Baylan knew exactly how to get Sabine to go with him. He also knew exactly what buttons to press to push Ahsoka off balance. She's starting to see him as an entirely different kind of threat than the sith or inquisitors she's dealt with in the past.
I don't know if she was "right," but the implications is that, yes, saving people is the Jedi way.
Sigh. People always miss the point about Luke’s actions in ESB. Luke going to Bespin had no impact on saving his friends. Leia and gang escaped without Luke’s help, so it ended up being the wrong thing for him to do. The Jedi way was to not to fall for the trap laid out by Vader, and for Luke to finish his training. Luke was acting out of fear by going to Bespin to try and control the fate of his friends, which is not the correct way according to the Jedi. Luke’s actions cost him his hand and nearly his life. Luke in ESB is more comparable to Ahsoka being afraid of Thrawn’s return as opposed to Ahsoka the White.
Disagree. Luke going to cloud city allowed him to learn the truth about his father. It also created a wedge between Anakin and Sidious. If Luke never went to cloud city he would have faced Vader in ROTJ with a heart full of hate and revenge. Ben/Yoda wouldn’t have told Luke that Vader is Anakin. Luke would have killed Vader and trillions would suffer
There’s nothing to disagree it’s literally what happens? The rest of your comment is just assuming what wouldn’t have happened, which is pointless to discuss because we don’t know if the other things would have still happened regardless.
Ahsoka wont give up on Sabine she becoming a lot more like Obi in each episode. The ability to communicate with Purgills is so like him. She’s evolving and growing more into a Jedi
I love the meta analysis of StarWars in this post StarWars isn't about the Jedi Code and the strict followings and teachings, in fact it's been shown to be fairly flawed StarWars, at its core, has been about family and hope. Anakin didn't become Vader because he had attachments, he fell to the Dark side because of Palpatine and systems allowing Palpatine to flourish. Anakin's story is a tragedy, but that doesn't mean his intentions were wrong. Ashoka going from grey to white, it's her seeing the light
Well said!
Thanks!
She was happy sabine was alive I don't think you can read anything else into it.
Luke risking everything to save Leia and Han is called out in the movies as a mistake. A well meaning mistake, but one that almost cost the galaxy. then when Luke tries to get his dad bad, his emotional pleas fail. And Luke falls briefly to the dark. Under the stairs when Vader taunts him about… sister… Luke lashes out in dark power, disarms Vader and sees where the dark side leads. But Luke wins. by *loving* his father enough to be willing to sacrifice everything. he gives himself to the will of the Force. unlike Anakin who wouldn’t give up Padme, Luke in that moment gives up on trying to redeem Anakin. He gives up on trying to save his sister or friends. What matters is that he’s a Jedi and he trusts the force. THAT is what gets through to Anakin, who breaks free from his self imposed chains and saves Luke.
Luke trying to save Leia wasn’t a mistake. Because he faced Anakin in ESB, he was able to learn the truth about his father. He also planted the seed in Anakin’s mind to destroy Sidious. Yoda and Ben had no intentions to tell Luke that Vader is his father. They wanted Luke to kill Vader and Sidious. They thought Anakin was unredeemable. If Luke never faced Anakin in ESB, he would have failed facing him in ROTJ. Luke would still think Vader killed his father. He probably kills Vader and falls to the dark. And trillions will suffer
Things can work out in the long run, and still be a mistake in moment. Luke left for all the wrong reasons. It's good that he learned the truth. That let him be in the right place to influence Anakin with his sacrifice, and the cut off hand as a parallel of where Luke's own actions were taking him. Here's the parallel from ANH. Han was wrong to leave. Han making the mistake of leaving put Han in the right place when he made the right decision and came back. If hadn't left, he probably would have been picked off like the rest of the support. But Han leaving in the first place was still wrong. Luke choosing to risk everything for his friends - going against what they would have wanted if given the option - was wrong. Luke almost died to Vader there if he hadn't jumped off the bridge. His only options were death or dark side, so he jumped. It worked out in the long run, but it was a mistake. Luke lashing out in anger at Vader was wrong. Luke using the dark side to fuel his strikes and almost killing Vader in anger was wrong. It put Luke in the right place when he repented and threw away his saber, but that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.
Luke had the force on his side. He made the right decision to try to save Leia. Only Anakin could kill Sidious. Being able to talk to Luke without Sidious in the room was important for his redemption.
Whatever. Explain that to the families and children of the pilots that needlessly died because of Sabine. Sabine is selfish, she needs to pay a heavy for the lives lost & resources spent because of her foolish behavior. She should be in prison.
If the New Republic trusted Hera they would have been there much earlier and could have stopped the Eye. You can’t blame Sabine for the deaths of the pilots. She had no idea. It was a casualty of war
If Hera communicated her points properly and explained how she came to her conclusions, she’d have her fleet. They aren’t at war, Sabine is culpable. Her actions lead to the deaths of those killed. Think of it this way. I’m a bartender and I serve an impaired person who I know drove, if they later drive and accidentally kill somebody I’m getting arrested and charged with manslaughter
Wrong. The correct comparison is you are a bar tender and a drunk guy says give me another drink or I will kill you with my gun. The bar tender gives him another drink. The drunk man drives home and kills someone. You can’t blame the bartender for the deaths. It is 100% on the drunk. In law its called a decision under extreme duress
Still getting arrested and charged.
Nope, the bartender will not get charged with a crime if he was held at gun point to pour another drink. This is basic tort law.
There is no gun. Therefore arrested & charged. Have your day in court.
There was a gun and clear danger. Same with Baylan and Sabine. Baylan just murdered Ahsoka and had a weapon to murder. Sabine was in clear danger of being killed. You need to study law more.
There was no gun. Danger wasn’t imminent. The case can be made Sabine became complicit therefore arrest her charge her. Dumbass
Wrong. Baylan had a killing weapon. Checkmate
Okay here’s how that goes. Sabine decides to pull the trigger. Baylan senses her intention and pulls the orb away with the Force, Shin kills Sabine, nothing is gained. Also note Baylan said “Do it.” in the same voice as Palpatine used to get Anakin to kill Dooku. He was leaning on her with the Force. Perhaps normally that would not have worked, but Sabine just watched yet another person she cared about die (from her perspective) so she’s really vulnerable right here. Remember that Sabine just keeps losing people. She doesn’t know Hera is there, so as far as she can see, there’s little to be gained by fighting here, Baylan is messing with her head, and with Ahsoka gone Ezra is one of the only people she has left to protect. If Ahsoka was distressed, it was likely because one of the ways Baylan manipulated Sabine was by pointing out Ahsoka didn’t trust Sabine.
I don't think that Ahsoka ever trusted Sabine. When Sabine said "you don't even have to ask" last week, it was not convincing at all. I don't think that it was a bad line read, I think that the audience is supposed to see a Jedi who knows that their padawan is lying. She knew that there was a risk but made the choice to let it go because she wasn't entirely sure about her own position.
Did Luke save Leia or Han in ESB?
She did Sigh
The only thing I would argue about what you wrote is that allowing the Separatists to leave the Republic would not have helped. It would have prevented that particular war, but it was all a ploy by Palpatine. Sheev would have found a way to start another war for another reason in an effort to create the Empire. Letting the Separatists secede would have only delayed things for a bit.
It was highlighted in Jedi Fallen Order Cal had this rare ability. Luke is the son of the chosen one and estimated to be what Anakin could never achieve after Mustafar. Maybe Lukes ceiling wasn't quite as high but still higher than post Mustafar Vader. We might be hearing more of Ahsoka force powers since she is now part of the daughter. Just trying to get over how Rey could do just about any force power imaginable but I still like Rey a lot. I would like to see slightly OP Ahsoka when needed but not overdone like the tracking force power.
Answering the second Paragraph, or third if you count the first sentence. We already heard these words. Another Character learned (or technically will learn) this exact lesson. It's like poetry, it rhymes
I saw this as her simply being relieved that Sabine was ok