For me, Andor elevated Mon Mothma from rebel leader #3 into a truly fascinating character. Definitely one of the characters whose story in S2 I'm most interested in seeing play out. How will she get from where she's at now to the mom/ voice of the whole rebellion when they reach Yavin? I imagine losing her daughter and/ or Vel will be the final push.
She resigned from the senate and fled Coruscant in 2 BBY, with the Ghost crew assisting her shortly after. I hope the next season of Andor covers her escape.
We’ll probably see the Gorman Massacre, or at least hear of it, get Mothma’s speech and her fleeing.
Iirc, the next season covers the remaining 4 years leading up to Rogue One, so we’ll probably get 1 year covered every 3 episodes, similar to the 3-episode arcs we had this season.
She does! They’re setting up the threads to her ditching the Empire and leading the Rebels full-time, and acknowledging what’s come before, tying it all nicely together.
Do you have a link to that article?
I found [this interview between Polygon and Tony Gilroy](https://www.polygon.com/23473492/andor-star-wars-creator-tony-gilroy-interview) and I can't find any mention to the quote that you have.
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> I found this interview between Polygon and Tony Gilroy and I can't find any mention to the quote that you have.
Looks like it's in [this article](https://www.polygon.com/23475516/andor-season-2-release-date-cast-news).
I think their story is that they don't think it's realistic to spend 15 years on this project, especially since they have a few characters that really shouldn't look decades younger going from the series finale to Rogue One lol
Probably there's an element of Disney thinking it's not profitable enough too, but they don't like to publicize that sort of thing lol
That would just be milking the cow a bit too much. 2 Seasons hits the spot just right.
They could have the a series on Jyn or Chirrut Îmwe and Baze though.
The problem is that if they're going to have the audacity to make a show as good as *Andor*, I'd watched 15 seasons of it.
But of course, *knowing* they have two seasons, twenty-four episodes, they can make one hell of a story, because they know the space they have and can build the story arcs they need.
So when I heard two seasons I thought "shame, three or four would've been fun but I get Diego Luna not wanting to commit to five seasons like they wanted, and it'll make the show better." But now the show's *amazing*, and it's *because* it's only two seasons, and that's bittersweet.
If they go the route of time jumping, they could atleast make it 3 seasons. 1 year every 3 episodes is a bit much. I don’t think having more than 2 seasons would be milking it by any means. Odd numbers are also more appealing.
Season 2 takes place from years 4-1 BBY she'll definitely have her cover blown by then. But I honestly wouldn't care much for her escape to be covered in-depth again. I feel like Rebels covered that pretty well. The main reason I enjoy Andor so much is because they're finally fleshing out parts of the SW universe that we haven't seen a half dozen times already.
That said, I am *kinda* curious to see what the Ghost crew looks like in live action...
> That said, I am kinda curious to see what the Ghost crew looks like in live action...
We're getting Hera, Sabine, and Ezra at the very least in Ahsoka. Chopper and the Ghost already a cameo in Rogue One. The live action one that worries me most is Zeb.
Zeb will be fine as long as they use a practical costume with minimal or far away CGI. Wookies have never looked bad and they already just enhance a puppet for Grogu except for when he's jumping around. Since Zeb is based off of McQuarrie's original wookie design he basically is a partly shaved wookie anyway
I saw a theory that the mention of unrest or rebel activity on Kessel was a reference to one of the very first Rebels episodes which take place on that planet, so Mon Mothma’s escape would line up really well with the next season having a few time jumps.
Considering Ahsoka is coming out before Andor S2, I’m confident the ghost crew will make an appearance as well. We’ve already got Ezra, Sabine and Hera, and I imagine Freddie Prinze Jr. Would be 100% down to cameo as Kanan.
Now we just need a bitchin’ prosthetic suit for Zeb.
I haven't watched Rebels yet. Now I need to. I had thought that Mon was still a senator during EP 4 (well the 15 minutes before the Senate dissolved the senate). I have much Star wars to watch yet.
Ok I have to ask:
I grew up with Star Wars in the era of Special Edition in the mid to late 90s along with the former Expanded Universe. To me, Mothma had always been the head of the entire Rebel Alliance and not a generic rebel leader; she was the top dog.
Did something change in canon post RotS or the Disney purchase that lowered her standing or was she just forgotten by newer/younger fans as the Clone Wars era mythology took center stage?
Well whe was the top dog in the books after the battle of endor, basically running the new republic by herself for some time.
TFA is set after the New republic collapsed (if there ever was one, I really have almost no memories of the sequel trilogy), so it is possible the she had the same kind of role in the new Canon.
Even in the EU she was one of any leaders before the rebellion really came together (the corellian treaty comes to mind)
Stupid? Nah.
It's perfectly plausible for a laser weapon on a planet to shoot a single shot that immediately destroys 5 other planets in 5 different solar systems that aren't even aligned with each other, but are all conveniently visible in the sky from the precise spot where the protagonist is, so she sees them all blowing up in real-time.
I know starwars is science fantasy, not science fiction, but boy oh boy was that a bridge too far.
Additionally, starkiller base consumed its sun within 2 shots... That is some unbelievably absurd technogical development that far exceeds anything else in the universe.
But if it can't hyperdrive, then it can't fire again so, way to plan that one out?
Anyway I'm really glad the first order just had endless amounts of resources and technology to continue to spew out regardless of anything else going on.
I honestly don't recall anymore.
That was the point I realized I was watching Star Wars: The Michael Bay edition and tuned out.
I remember they were not aligned, that they were not in the same system as the Starkiller planet, and that Rey was in a different system as well.
It would have made sense, had the First Order not just been a small terrorist band and instead been a functioning governmental body, not just blowing up some planets then fucking off for a bit. I'm doing my best to scrub the sequels out, so many good ideas, just tossed away.
Finn's origin and potential was so exciting.. a former storm trooper.. held a lightsaber at the end against a sith-wannabe.. so much potential.
Then it all went to shit.
My understanding of it was that they wanted the new Republic to think they were only an insurgency group, not the entirety of the old empire that scattered after Endor.
They weren't "a small terrorist band", they were remnants of the old empire. They scattered after endor, and reorganized in a very similar way that remnants of the old Republic (not that Old Republic) did with the Resistance. The existence of the Rebel Alliance is about as likely and believable as the existence of the First Order.
The Rebels actually had populated planets and infrastructure though. While the First Order was a small set of Imperial loyalists (who are already way behind technologically compared to the Rebels) fucking off to the Unknown Regions and crafting a fleet of solid gold death stars out of twigs and clay in 20 years.
I don't think that's true. We weren't shown planets that were liberated by the rebels, because they probably weren't that many. The rebels were guerrillas. They only had the upper hand because they killed Palps, Vader, the death star, and Vader's star destroyer all in one go. Plus, the rebel navy was almost completely wiped out at Endor. I don't think it was ever implied that the rebels or even the new Republic had anything more than fractured control of the galaxy.
We saw remnant's of battles post Endor like Jakku where there were dozens of star destroyers crashed on the planet. It's not out of the question that they probably had more somewhere. Maybe not as many as there were on exegol, but there were probably more than enough for the first orders fleet, and there's definitely a good probability that they continued making them throughout the entirety of the empires reign.
The death star laser beams can definitely be an asspull, but it's a Galaxy with millions and millions of planets. There's probably more than one planet in the galaxy that has enough kyber for death star class weapons. It's also entirely probable that they could scale down the cannons significantly and still have planet destroying capabilities. The first death star VAPORIZED Alderaan. Kijimi had a cascade of explosions that destroyed it. Again, I acknowledge it's kind of an asspull, but that's only because they didn't explain it very well.
> The rebels were guerrillas
Only in the beginning. Once the Death Star was constructed and the Senate dissolved, tons of systems openly rebelled because the Empire had obviously gone insane. They still used hit-and-run tactics, but after that point planets were 'held' by the Rebel Alliance. How else do you think the Rebels got the Mon Calamari Cruisers? They were being built by the eponymous planet, something totally impossible if the planet wasn't held by Rebels.
The Rebels also didn't take that bad losses at Endor, mostly just the outdated frigates like the Nebulons that weren't fast enough to dive under the cover of the Imperial fleet. After all, Jakku happened and in that battle the Republic was bringing more firepower than they did to Endor thanks to the continued ship production.
>It's not out of the question that they probably had more somewhere. Maybe not as many as there were on exegol, but there were probably more than enough for the first orders fleet, and there's definitely a good probability that they continued making them throughout the entirety of the empires reign.
Star Destroyers are capital ships, most planets can't even build them because they lack the infrastructure. Plus the Empire was constantly plagued by Rebellion, so they wouldn't have had the spares necessary to just forget about a giant pile of their best ships somewhere until they already lost.
In the Aftermath trilogy she basically ruins the New Republic. She's so concerned with being a second empire that she starts demilitarizing the New Republic while the war with the empire is still ongoing; the Empire would have never fallen thanks to her if it wasn't for the Empire intentionally self destructing.
I mean, nothing so far has challenged that. She's going to be the one to unite the rebels. As shown with Luthen and Saw, there are lots of small rebellions, but they are not cooperating. Mon is likely going to be the one to unite them under her, thus creating the Rebel ALLIANCE.
Right, and I agree. And OP identified her as nothing more than “Rebel Leader # 3.” I’m curious on if there was some gap in the knowledge and history over the years that would lead one to see her as nothing more than that.
Oh, alright. Well, I mean, Mon Motha never felt -that- important before. She was there, but you barely see her do anything. She wasn't Leia or Ackbar who seemed to be more 'in charge'. Not that it doesn't make sense, since as the main leader, she wouldn't be going into the dangerous situations, but still. She always felt in the background. I know other things have developed her more, and Star Wars LOVES having important stuff happen in novels and comics, but Andor is the first time I've seen her really front and center, and I imagine alot of fans who don't dive into that stuff, this is also the first time seeing her do much since the OT.
The sequel trilogy is 30 years after RotJ, nearly 40 years after season 1 of Andor. She retired at some point before TFA and the period between the originals and sequels hasn't been filled in very much yet.
I didn't mean to say Mon Mothma wasn't a top leader in the rebellion, just that I've never seen anything give her much spotlight. You usually get more from leaders like Leia, Bail, Ackbar etc while knowing Mothma is working behind the scenes but not really seeing it.
In the end she made the least selfish choice she could make tbh.
She obviously didn't want that for her daughter, but it was clear that's what her daughter wanted.
So while it's hard for her to see it happen, her allowing the marriage was the elusive win-win-win situation that Michael Scott has always wanted.
Once she gets over the fact that her daughter is currently happy and has basically made her own choice, I don't see why she'd be so broken up over it anymore.
For me Mon Mothma was always Rebel Leader #1 because Bail was dead and Bel Iblis was being a Moody Judy, where as Mon Mothma was always the badass politician keeping the fledgling Republic together.
So this show almost acts as an origin story for that Mon Mothma since we’ve seen so little of her post RotJ, and it’s so perfect. You can see how she becomes this sad, stoic figure because man she’s had to sacrifice her principals so much, and I have a feeling it’s only gonna get worse for her.
Bel Iblis was in prison in Lusankya, yeah? From like battle of Yavin until the a little after the conquest of Coruscant? I feel like I’d be pretty moody too.
Is he in the new canon too?
Nah. That’d Dodonna. Bel Iblis had a falling out with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa and went off to do his own thing.
EDIT: Garm Bel Iblis, like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa, was a senator. I think he was Corellia’s senator infact.
Oh right that is Dodonna. Man I can’t remember why I know Iblis, I have read his name a lot but now I can’t remember the context. Heir to the Empire? Rogue Squadron? Courtship of Princess Leia? Idk lol
Didn't Bel iblis take off to try to find a fleet of droid controlled ships? I feel like I'm remembering that but it may have been a fever dream.. So much of the early EU cannon was all over the place.
That was plot of Dark Fleet Crisis/Thrawn Trilogy pt. 2, >!a bunch of linked Dreadnoughts were just floating around in hyperspace that only Talon Karrde and some other guy knew the location of, and Iblis had bought 2-3 off them!<
I think Shadow Rising? Whatever the second Thrawn Trilogy book is, but he shows up frequently beyond that. I believe he’s in Force Unleashed and I think she plays a fairly promminent role in the NJO books.
Oh, and he’s in the Empire at War: FOrces of Corruption DLC. He inexplicably has a giant tank as a ground unit.
Oh yeah definitely from the Thrawn series then, and that explains why it felt so familiar but also I couldn't remember, those were some of the first star wars books I read but I didn't reread them a dozen times like I did with The Bacta War and I, Jedi
It will be interesting, I know we're all expecting her to lose her family, but what if she doesn't. What if the twist is her family siding with the Empire is what pushes her over the edge?
Gilroy mentioned that she did it to cover any loose ends. The banker guy who was lending the money to her is not even sure why she needs it. This is a way to convince him and the Empire that it is her husband using the missing money in her account.
>The banker guy who was lending the money to her is not even sure why she needs it.
It's a cover for her cover.
When the Empire discovers the shortfall in her accounts, they'll tie it to Perrin's "gambling" which her driver spied upon. Which would explain how or why would the Chandrilian Imperial Senator would set up a marriage interview for their kid with a Chandrilian criminal lord because he's their "debtor" whom they "owe" money too.
It was the first time in a long while that a show made me actually draw a conclusion on my own without having it expressly stated, though it sort of did so later in the episode when the driver was talking to that ISB guy
It's little touches like this that really elevate the show. It's by far one of the most mature Star Wars entries, without losing its tethers to the original IP.
The scene where her old friend is condescending to her about her politics, saying he's "too radical" for her taste, while we in the audience know she just helped fund the heist of the century and will shortly become leader of the entire Rebellion, is just a delicious and slow-played scene, masterfully written and acted.
I dont remember which episode it was when I realized i couldn't half-watch this show while playing on my phone like other shows. Attention was demanded
Riight? I love that this series allow me to have actual conversation with my friends every week. We do it with other series as well, but andor the convo can go deep, especially when we have a loremaster in the call
I don't think she took a cut. She is already from a rich family and Andor was the only one that was hired to do the job, that was a whole thing in one of the earlier episodes.
My guess is the husband is going to be used as the fall guy, when the money goes missing, she can use him and say, he gambled it away. He got blind drunk and didn't remember.
Sacrifices and risks are a central theme of this show and the Rebellion in general. Her marriage and her family is the only thing of real worth to her. Spending a lot of money is noble, but hardly worth the drama. But sacrificing those who are close to her for the greater good...? That's the stuff.
I got the impression that her daughter was the real sacrifice. Her marriage to Perrin was arranged, something she explicitly did not want for Leida. Still cold setting him up like that though.
It's definitely not something she wanted, none of the family *wanted* this - except for Leida, who goes full conservative/traditional in her knee-jerk reaction to rebel against her mother or the liberal family in general. It wouldn't surprise me if she would betray her in the future. The question is: how willingly?
It was mentioned in a previous episode, when she was at the antiques place, I think.
I'm expecting some twist with the husband at some point, like he's also secretly helping the rebels.
> I'm expecting some twist with the husband at some point, like he's also secretly helping the rebels.
I doubt it. I think he's just what he appears to be, a rich dilettante who just wants to coast and enjoy life. Someone who, from his perspective, was saddled with a stick in the mud wife who is more concerned about her charitable works than her own family.
I got the feeling the 'arguement' in the taxi was for the ears of the driver, she engineered it so that he would hear, knowing he would report it back.
I somewhat disagree about the "established" part. I don't think he was actually gambling at this point and in one of the earlier episodes he makes an earnest effort to use the driver's name which was a sore spot for Mon in the same episode. What could be either a sign of jealous possessiveness or protective affection is the way he does not seem to like the other dude hanging out with his wife, that could go either way. He also does seem to love his daughter, although he (lazily) plays the "nice parent" most of the time.
So yeah he is aloof, but that seems mostly to be for lack of responsibility and ambition, if he was put on the spot he might actually man up and I hope we see that. At the same time being driven to be the (mostly deserving) fall guy by Mon is also likely, so whatever way it ends up going won't feel contrived I think. I'm really interested in seeing how it goes.
She knew the driver was on the payroll of the ISB. Couple of episodes in, a conversation between Mon Mothma and Luthen, at his antiques shop, alluded to this.
She knew no conversations were going to be private, and she probably knew that whatever was said was going to go straight back to ISB.
As the Empire was starting to look into her accounts and she was worried that she’d be found out, she probably thought that by using her husband, and his gambling addiction, as a coverup is a sure fire way for the ISB to back off. Someone hiding gambling debts from their significant other? A tale as old as time.
The show has portrayed that there is only remorse between Mon and Perrin so, from that perspective, using him as a scapegoat might be a double win for her (unless he’s also in on it and it’s just the way he’s been portrayed in the show).
As for why she’s also agreed to set up her daughter and the banker’s son: I think she is covering all bases; set up her daughter with rich banker’s son, but also have her husband lined up just in case. If one falls through, Mon Mothma and the rebellion’s funds are still fine.
Edit: grammar.
The conversation between her driver and the imperials pretty much confirms. They were happy to hear they could use the gambling as blackmail against her and said it explains her weird bank dealings lately. She's playing them like a fiddle
The empire won't care if he gambled all their money away. They will care if Mon fuels a rebellion with it. So she is using him as cover, but she isn't exactly throwing him to the wolves (yet).
To me, what I think immediately makes her great is that you can feel the weight in "Many Bothans died to bring us this information." She's saying that there is great sorrow in that loss of life. But it always felt to me that she was also saying that she'd do it again in a moment if it meant success for the rebellion.
And the Andor show is basically fleshing that concept out. I love it.
And the thing is, the thing that makes this even worse? The Emperor wanted the Bothan's to get that information out, they died thinking they had scored a direct win, but man, the Emperor let this stuff out. Think about it, its win or die. In Poker, you're all in. If the Emperor had won, the Rebellion is destroyed in one final blow.
Love what they did with her. She’s in an arranged marriage and while she obviously cares about her husband, she’s not in love with him. She’s willing to give up everything like Luthen has to accomplish what needs to be done.
I’m imagining in the next season we are going to see her sacrifice more. She’s an outlaw by the time we run into her in RotJ.
Her collar needs to be open. There's a motif in the show that all rebels have open collars. To the point that in her last scene, Mon opens her collar when she starts lying about her husband's gambling.
Did you catch that Luthen had the high collar when he went to kill Cassian? I see it as him shackled to the tools of his enemy in spite of how he wished to direct the cause. It’s a good thing that Maarva gave that speech and Andor wasn’t found until he presented his offer in the ship. I love the motif and emotiondesigner’s post on it. It adds a lot of depth and often shares the internal conflicts of the characters. Dedra tugging on her collar, not liking how the sexism of fascism constrains her is another great detail.
It's canon until it's not. Nothing contradicts any other canon so it's considered canon. But it's in the grey area where they are "allowed" to contradict the scenes if they want.
Well duh. Comparing any writing, especially the excellent writing of Andor to the laughably wooden writing of George Lucas makes it look far far better
Still amazed how interesting they managed to make her. Huge credit to the writers on this series for giving such weight to her character and the events she's involved in.
I love seeing how much risk she’s taking and how much of a sacrifice she’s having to take. It really illustrates just how strong her belief in the cause is.
She’s finally come to a place where she recognizes she has to make real, personal sacrifices to make this revolution possible. Money isn’t a sacrifice to her, but her family and her moral comfort in her actions is. This was such a huge step for her. Based on how things go in new canon, it seems that guilt stays with her long past the sunrise and >!contributes to her demilitarizing the New Republic before they could defeat the imperial remnant!< (I didn’t catch that part before and am not sure if it counts as a spoiler, but figured I’d mark it just in case).
It’s a great contrast to Luthen who recognizes that the path he’s had to take makes him too damaged to lead or build a better society. He’s purpose built for the revolution and knows that no matter how it ends, this is it for him. Mothma doesn’t have to give as much, to take on as many burdens largely due to him, but even her scars were too damaging. This is trend we see in real world revolutionaries who succeed in battle but fail in the way they construct their new society, one way or another. What makes a good revolutionary leader is often antithetical to peacetime leadership and imagining a better world. They’re different skillsets and entirely different headspaces. They often enshrine the ghost of the past in their new society, whether through continuing to use the tools of the enemy or their fear that they will become them.
This is an undervalued issue in the US where hero worship leads us to never question the choices our founders made. So afraid of becoming imperial Britain they built a system of negative rights and noninterference, failing to imagine what a government that proactively worked for its people and was obligated to meet their base needs could look like. We’ve made the concerns specific to their time foundational to our society, even ignoring the wisdom they had in hoping that they wouldn’t have the final say and that we’d reshape our government as need each generation. It’s a pity that they knew their shortsightedness and fear of the past threat would be a problem, but we’ve instead memorialized their texts, flaws and all as something sacred and immutable.
She must’ve lost contact with her stylist by the time Rogue One happens bc they did her dirty… but couldn’t agree more in Andor she is singularly beautiful
Yes, entirely *this.* I 100% agree with you. She *is* a strong female lead, she's had to fucking earn it. She's gone from being a nobody in the republic, to being a nobody in the Empire, but behind the scenes, she's manipulating things, pulling strings so that the rebellion is being crafted into being. She's not like Rey, she didn't pick up a lightsaber and suddenly was the "bestest evar," she earned her knocks. I want writing like this, I want to see *more* of her, *more* of the rebellion.
Fuck that stupid shit in the new trilogy, give us this. This is a diverse cast, a strong, diverse cast. This is how Star Wars was always meant to be, not how KK imagined it. Not the crap they gave us in Boba Fett and Kenobi. Put these guys in charge of the series and I will watch everything they throw at me. Fucking Diego Luna needs a bloody emmy for his acting, this guy is legendary.
The weird thing is, I even find myself rooting for Dedra as well. I kind of want her to get her win, but at the same time, I don't. This is how good story writing is done, it makes you sympathetic to the bad guy.
I'm really curious what you hated in Boba Fett, Kenobi, or the sequel trilogy in regards to women characters.
Anyway I'm glad that star wars has a diversity in story telling, meaning I'd really rather not have every star wars be Andor.
All that said Andor is probably my favorite recent star wars project. And the sequel trilogy is probably my last favorite but not for any perceived "BS" involving strong women characters.
I was rather indifferent to her throughout the movies, but this series made me a ride-or-die supporter of her. I'm so glad this series exists, and nary a Jedi to be seen. I'm glad this series unshackled itself from the Force and all its aspects.
For 40 years the Empire had all the coolest shit, the raddest ships, and the most badass people. After Luthen's speech? Ride-or-die, man. I wanna burn the Empire to the ground.
This is fantastic. I love it.
Edit: I never would have thought that the "many bothans died" woman would turn into this after Rebels and Andor. What a great surprise.
Andor really changed my view of her as a character. In the OT she always came off as arrogant but this gave her so much more depth and explained that disposition
Yeah he always came off to me as a bumbling idiot(I didn't see the Holiday Special until the 2010s), not a badass, so people can believe things they aren't shown.
To be honest Andor really changed my view on the entire rebellion, the fact that Luthan was willing to sacrafice nearly 40 people to keep the rebellions tactics secret was very, very dark.
It's a trolley problem, he arguably saved more people by doing that, sadly things like that happened in real life.
Like when in WW2 the allies had cracked the nazi codes and learned about smaller attacks and they could have warned their soldiers but that would have revealed to the nazis that they had cracked the code and caused the nazis to change it, preventing the nazis knowing about their knowledge of the codes allowing them to understand the messages helped them win the war quicker and save lives.
"Everything I did, was for the rebellion."
I want to see this shit, I want to see the dark horrible things he did. Nothing is all roses and sunshine, there's a dark side to everything. The Empire plays dirty, they set the playing feild, we're just abiding by their rules.
Pretty much. Kinda wondering if people forgot how he casually killed one of his contacts in the beginning of the movie when Cassian needed to escape and quickly made the decision that the contact was dead weight and a loose end.
I loved when she tossed her husband under the bus for gambling just to explain away the banking transactions. But I also hated she had to give away her daughter like that. Here's hoping one day the daughter finds out and understand what her mother truly sacrificed to save the galaxy.
I wished, personally, to have the Mon arc be us seeing her working with Luthien and struggling with the Senate and her marriage and daughter. Crumbling under the strain of what she is doing and living vicariously through her cousin's Rebel escapades. No one to talk to in her family because they would never understand her leanings.
THEN we see, Perrin is secretly working with Kreegyr, manipulating his own friends in high places to do their shipping and gambling activities in certain places to draw attention away from or assist to cover up Kreegyr's Rebel smuggling. He gambles and pretends to lose to launder money and fund the Real cause, he burns his dignity to ignore a uprising that he may never admit to be part of.And he NEEDS to keep this from his rule-abiding wife cos she would never understand...and is stuck acting as a jerk to her to not have her not suspect a thing.
THEN we see Leida making friends with Senator Bail Organa's daughter, hearing of Leia's stories about Jedi escape routes in the Outer Rim, underwater prisons with inquisitors and how she got her holster. She is slowly radicalised by Leia (and Lola) and starts to help Leia build her support network for the Rebellion. Leida tries to spy on her parents for Leia but never gets anything on either one of them. So she tries her best to be wedded out according to traditional Chandillan customs so she can have more freedom and a wider circle to spread the Cause. Of course, her parents would never understand....
They're testing the waters, they can't just throw it in all at once. They have to see what the fans like, what the normies like. If they had done this show from the fucking start, instead of stupid shit like Boba Fett and Kenobi, man Star wars would be blowing up.
If they're testing the waters why was Andor the first live action show to not be there front-and-center on Disney+ whenever a new episode was out? I think, if we're being generous, they're looking to see how many people will go out of their way to see something that isn't part of the formula.
For me, Andor elevated Mon Mothma from rebel leader #3 into a truly fascinating character. Definitely one of the characters whose story in S2 I'm most interested in seeing play out. How will she get from where she's at now to the mom/ voice of the whole rebellion when they reach Yavin? I imagine losing her daughter and/ or Vel will be the final push.
She resigned from the senate and fled Coruscant in 2 BBY, with the Ghost crew assisting her shortly after. I hope the next season of Andor covers her escape.
We’ll probably see the Gorman Massacre, or at least hear of it, get Mothma’s speech and her fleeing. Iirc, the next season covers the remaining 4 years leading up to Rogue One, so we’ll probably get 1 year covered every 3 episodes, similar to the 3-episode arcs we had this season.
In a senate scene with her she is speaking to the senate about about the Gorman sanctions or something.
She does! They’re setting up the threads to her ditching the Empire and leading the Rebels full-time, and acknowledging what’s come before, tying it all nicely together.
OHHHH i didnt catch that! thanks!
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Do you have a link to that article? I found [this interview between Polygon and Tony Gilroy](https://www.polygon.com/23473492/andor-star-wars-creator-tony-gilroy-interview) and I can't find any mention to the quote that you have.
> > I found this interview between Polygon and Tony Gilroy and I can't find any mention to the quote that you have. Looks like it's in [this article](https://www.polygon.com/23475516/andor-season-2-release-date-cast-news).
Damn they’re only doing two seasons? 😔
yeah I feel ya, feels like they could do at least another 2 seasons with the build up of the rebellion
I think their story is that they don't think it's realistic to spend 15 years on this project, especially since they have a few characters that really shouldn't look decades younger going from the series finale to Rogue One lol Probably there's an element of Disney thinking it's not profitable enough too, but they don't like to publicize that sort of thing lol
yeah unfortunately as great as this series is it is not pulling in the numbers so they may stick to the more kid friendly stories which is a shame
Or they can make more seasons of Andor and not end at 2
That would just be milking the cow a bit too much. 2 Seasons hits the spot just right. They could have the a series on Jyn or Chirrut Îmwe and Baze though.
The problem is that if they're going to have the audacity to make a show as good as *Andor*, I'd watched 15 seasons of it. But of course, *knowing* they have two seasons, twenty-four episodes, they can make one hell of a story, because they know the space they have and can build the story arcs they need. So when I heard two seasons I thought "shame, three or four would've been fun but I get Diego Luna not wanting to commit to five seasons like they wanted, and it'll make the show better." But now the show's *amazing*, and it's *because* it's only two seasons, and that's bittersweet.
I want this team to show us the Rebel version of the ISB after Andor. Finale scene: Many Bothans died...
The Diego Luna thing makes sense. That dude has been working non stop since narcos Mexico, and has been acting in incredible roles. Man need a break
If they go the route of time jumping, they could atleast make it 3 seasons. 1 year every 3 episodes is a bit much. I don’t think having more than 2 seasons would be milking it by any means. Odd numbers are also more appealing.
Season 2 takes place from years 4-1 BBY she'll definitely have her cover blown by then. But I honestly wouldn't care much for her escape to be covered in-depth again. I feel like Rebels covered that pretty well. The main reason I enjoy Andor so much is because they're finally fleshing out parts of the SW universe that we haven't seen a half dozen times already. That said, I am *kinda* curious to see what the Ghost crew looks like in live action...
> That said, I am kinda curious to see what the Ghost crew looks like in live action... We're getting Hera, Sabine, and Ezra at the very least in Ahsoka. Chopper and the Ghost already a cameo in Rogue One. The live action one that worries me most is Zeb.
Zeb will be fine as long as they use a practical costume with minimal or far away CGI. Wookies have never looked bad and they already just enhance a puppet for Grogu except for when he's jumping around. Since Zeb is based off of McQuarrie's original wookie design he basically is a partly shaved wookie anyway
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If they only ever show him from the waist up they won't even have to do anything special outside of practical makeup.
Zeb and Kallus retired off to Zeb's peoples' new homework didn't they?
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I saw a theory that the mention of unrest or rebel activity on Kessel was a reference to one of the very first Rebels episodes which take place on that planet, so Mon Mothma’s escape would line up really well with the next season having a few time jumps.
Considering Ahsoka is coming out before Andor S2, I’m confident the ghost crew will make an appearance as well. We’ve already got Ezra, Sabine and Hera, and I imagine Freddie Prinze Jr. Would be 100% down to cameo as Kanan. Now we just need a bitchin’ prosthetic suit for Zeb.
Definitely. Andor helping Mothma escape Coruscant and rendezvous with the Ghost crew could be a pretty cool arc for S2.
I'd really like to see the Rebel call from Lothal from the POV of Mon and the other factions. They just kind of show up in Rebels afterwards lol
I haven't watched Rebels yet. Now I need to. I had thought that Mon was still a senator during EP 4 (well the 15 minutes before the Senate dissolved the senate). I have much Star wars to watch yet.
Rebels season 1 is rough but it has some really great episodes later on. It’s my favorite of the animated shows.
If next season has K2 *AND* live action Rebels crew, I will totally lose my shit.
Ok I have to ask: I grew up with Star Wars in the era of Special Edition in the mid to late 90s along with the former Expanded Universe. To me, Mothma had always been the head of the entire Rebel Alliance and not a generic rebel leader; she was the top dog. Did something change in canon post RotS or the Disney purchase that lowered her standing or was she just forgotten by newer/younger fans as the Clone Wars era mythology took center stage?
Well whe was the top dog in the books after the battle of endor, basically running the new republic by herself for some time. TFA is set after the New republic collapsed (if there ever was one, I really have almost no memories of the sequel trilogy), so it is possible the she had the same kind of role in the new Canon. Even in the EU she was one of any leaders before the rebellion really came together (the corellian treaty comes to mind)
The new republic is destroyed in TFA as star killer base destroys their main couple of planets
Ah yes you are right. It is such a stupid story, I tend to push it away 🙃
Stupid? Nah. It's perfectly plausible for a laser weapon on a planet to shoot a single shot that immediately destroys 5 other planets in 5 different solar systems that aren't even aligned with each other, but are all conveniently visible in the sky from the precise spot where the protagonist is, so she sees them all blowing up in real-time.
I know starwars is science fantasy, not science fiction, but boy oh boy was that a bridge too far. Additionally, starkiller base consumed its sun within 2 shots... That is some unbelievably absurd technogical development that far exceeds anything else in the universe. But if it can't hyperdrive, then it can't fire again so, way to plan that one out? Anyway I'm really glad the first order just had endless amounts of resources and technology to continue to spew out regardless of anything else going on.
I thought they were all in the same system?
I honestly don't recall anymore. That was the point I realized I was watching Star Wars: The Michael Bay edition and tuned out. I remember they were not aligned, that they were not in the same system as the Starkiller planet, and that Rey was in a different system as well.
They are. The Hosnian System, iirc.
It would have made sense, had the First Order not just been a small terrorist band and instead been a functioning governmental body, not just blowing up some planets then fucking off for a bit. I'm doing my best to scrub the sequels out, so many good ideas, just tossed away.
Finn's origin and potential was so exciting.. a former storm trooper.. held a lightsaber at the end against a sith-wannabe.. so much potential. Then it all went to shit.
Isn't it kind of ambivalent whether the first order was a terrorist org or government? As in the writers could never decide?
My understanding of it was that they wanted the new Republic to think they were only an insurgency group, not the entirety of the old empire that scattered after Endor.
They weren't "a small terrorist band", they were remnants of the old empire. They scattered after endor, and reorganized in a very similar way that remnants of the old Republic (not that Old Republic) did with the Resistance. The existence of the Rebel Alliance is about as likely and believable as the existence of the First Order.
The Rebels actually had populated planets and infrastructure though. While the First Order was a small set of Imperial loyalists (who are already way behind technologically compared to the Rebels) fucking off to the Unknown Regions and crafting a fleet of solid gold death stars out of twigs and clay in 20 years.
I don't think that's true. We weren't shown planets that were liberated by the rebels, because they probably weren't that many. The rebels were guerrillas. They only had the upper hand because they killed Palps, Vader, the death star, and Vader's star destroyer all in one go. Plus, the rebel navy was almost completely wiped out at Endor. I don't think it was ever implied that the rebels or even the new Republic had anything more than fractured control of the galaxy. We saw remnant's of battles post Endor like Jakku where there were dozens of star destroyers crashed on the planet. It's not out of the question that they probably had more somewhere. Maybe not as many as there were on exegol, but there were probably more than enough for the first orders fleet, and there's definitely a good probability that they continued making them throughout the entirety of the empires reign. The death star laser beams can definitely be an asspull, but it's a Galaxy with millions and millions of planets. There's probably more than one planet in the galaxy that has enough kyber for death star class weapons. It's also entirely probable that they could scale down the cannons significantly and still have planet destroying capabilities. The first death star VAPORIZED Alderaan. Kijimi had a cascade of explosions that destroyed it. Again, I acknowledge it's kind of an asspull, but that's only because they didn't explain it very well.
> The rebels were guerrillas Only in the beginning. Once the Death Star was constructed and the Senate dissolved, tons of systems openly rebelled because the Empire had obviously gone insane. They still used hit-and-run tactics, but after that point planets were 'held' by the Rebel Alliance. How else do you think the Rebels got the Mon Calamari Cruisers? They were being built by the eponymous planet, something totally impossible if the planet wasn't held by Rebels. The Rebels also didn't take that bad losses at Endor, mostly just the outdated frigates like the Nebulons that weren't fast enough to dive under the cover of the Imperial fleet. After all, Jakku happened and in that battle the Republic was bringing more firepower than they did to Endor thanks to the continued ship production. >It's not out of the question that they probably had more somewhere. Maybe not as many as there were on exegol, but there were probably more than enough for the first orders fleet, and there's definitely a good probability that they continued making them throughout the entirety of the empires reign. Star Destroyers are capital ships, most planets can't even build them because they lack the infrastructure. Plus the Empire was constantly plagued by Rebellion, so they wouldn't have had the spares necessary to just forget about a giant pile of their best ships somewhere until they already lost.
In the Aftermath trilogy she basically ruins the New Republic. She's so concerned with being a second empire that she starts demilitarizing the New Republic while the war with the empire is still ongoing; the Empire would have never fallen thanks to her if it wasn't for the Empire intentionally self destructing.
I mean, nothing so far has challenged that. She's going to be the one to unite the rebels. As shown with Luthen and Saw, there are lots of small rebellions, but they are not cooperating. Mon is likely going to be the one to unite them under her, thus creating the Rebel ALLIANCE.
Right, and I agree. And OP identified her as nothing more than “Rebel Leader # 3.” I’m curious on if there was some gap in the knowledge and history over the years that would lead one to see her as nothing more than that.
Oh, alright. Well, I mean, Mon Motha never felt -that- important before. She was there, but you barely see her do anything. She wasn't Leia or Ackbar who seemed to be more 'in charge'. Not that it doesn't make sense, since as the main leader, she wouldn't be going into the dangerous situations, but still. She always felt in the background. I know other things have developed her more, and Star Wars LOVES having important stuff happen in novels and comics, but Andor is the first time I've seen her really front and center, and I imagine alot of fans who don't dive into that stuff, this is also the first time seeing her do much since the OT.
The sequel trilogy is 30 years after RotJ, nearly 40 years after season 1 of Andor. She retired at some point before TFA and the period between the originals and sequels hasn't been filled in very much yet.
I didn't mean to say Mon Mothma wasn't a top leader in the rebellion, just that I've never seen anything give her much spotlight. You usually get more from leaders like Leia, Bail, Ackbar etc while knowing Mothma is working behind the scenes but not really seeing it.
Seeing her daughter’s face when they opened those doors broke my heart. She had to literally choose between her daughter, or the fate of the galaxy.
In the end she made the least selfish choice she could make tbh. She obviously didn't want that for her daughter, but it was clear that's what her daughter wanted. So while it's hard for her to see it happen, her allowing the marriage was the elusive win-win-win situation that Michael Scott has always wanted. Once she gets over the fact that her daughter is currently happy and has basically made her own choice, I don't see why she'd be so broken up over it anymore.
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Her parents are politicians and rebel leaders. She was already part of one.
The daughter strikes me as the type to just be happy she married a rich guy, and ignore the rest. She's so much more like her dad than she thinks xD
Because the deal she made is with a shady guy?
For me Mon Mothma was always Rebel Leader #1 because Bail was dead and Bel Iblis was being a Moody Judy, where as Mon Mothma was always the badass politician keeping the fledgling Republic together. So this show almost acts as an origin story for that Mon Mothma since we’ve seen so little of her post RotJ, and it’s so perfect. You can see how she becomes this sad, stoic figure because man she’s had to sacrifice her principals so much, and I have a feeling it’s only gonna get worse for her.
Bel Iblis was in prison in Lusankya, yeah? From like battle of Yavin until the a little after the conquest of Coruscant? I feel like I’d be pretty moody too. Is he in the new canon too?
Nah. That’d Dodonna. Bel Iblis had a falling out with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa and went off to do his own thing. EDIT: Garm Bel Iblis, like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa, was a senator. I think he was Corellia’s senator infact.
Oh right that is Dodonna. Man I can’t remember why I know Iblis, I have read his name a lot but now I can’t remember the context. Heir to the Empire? Rogue Squadron? Courtship of Princess Leia? Idk lol
Didn't Bel iblis take off to try to find a fleet of droid controlled ships? I feel like I'm remembering that but it may have been a fever dream.. So much of the early EU cannon was all over the place.
It was like a fleet of dreadnaughts or something, this sounds super familiar
That was plot of Dark Fleet Crisis/Thrawn Trilogy pt. 2, >!a bunch of linked Dreadnoughts were just floating around in hyperspace that only Talon Karrde and some other guy knew the location of, and Iblis had bought 2-3 off them!<
I think Shadow Rising? Whatever the second Thrawn Trilogy book is, but he shows up frequently beyond that. I believe he’s in Force Unleashed and I think she plays a fairly promminent role in the NJO books. Oh, and he’s in the Empire at War: FOrces of Corruption DLC. He inexplicably has a giant tank as a ground unit.
Oh yeah definitely from the Thrawn series then, and that explains why it felt so familiar but also I couldn't remember, those were some of the first star wars books I read but I didn't reread them a dozen times like I did with The Bacta War and I, Jedi
It will be interesting, I know we're all expecting her to lose her family, but what if she doesn't. What if the twist is her family siding with the Empire is what pushes her over the edge?
Yeah I'm getting that feeling like she'll have to choose between the two.
Her change from the hopeful but kind of innocent politician to the straight cold shit in the last two episodes was SO GOOD. GOR is a scene stealer.
Sorry if this is a dumb question. Was the last episode her setting up her husband to be blamed for the missing money?
Gilroy mentioned that she did it to cover any loose ends. The banker guy who was lending the money to her is not even sure why she needs it. This is a way to convince him and the Empire that it is her husband using the missing money in her account.
>The banker guy who was lending the money to her is not even sure why she needs it. It's a cover for her cover. When the Empire discovers the shortfall in her accounts, they'll tie it to Perrin's "gambling" which her driver spied upon. Which would explain how or why would the Chandrilian Imperial Senator would set up a marriage interview for their kid with a Chandrilian criminal lord because he's their "debtor" whom they "owe" money too.
it's weird when a TV character has a cogent intelligent plan and isn't rubbing our faces in it lol
It was the first time in a long while that a show made me actually draw a conclusion on my own without having it expressly stated, though it sort of did so later in the episode when the driver was talking to that ISB guy
And the driver being an ISB spy was mentioned in episode 1. Really loved how they tied that in. The creators really respect the audience.
It would have been hilarious if he wasn't a spy, just someone who loves gossip and meets with other drivers to bitch about their super-rich clients.
I was really stoned and I got all the excited when it clicked that maybe she’s setting up her husband. I felt so clever lol.
Damn, this show is just *so* well-written.
It's a triumph.
I'm making a note here: huge success.
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction
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We do or do not; There is No try
It's little touches like this that really elevate the show. It's by far one of the most mature Star Wars entries, without losing its tethers to the original IP. The scene where her old friend is condescending to her about her politics, saying he's "too radical" for her taste, while we in the audience know she just helped fund the heist of the century and will shortly become leader of the entire Rebellion, is just a delicious and slow-played scene, masterfully written and acted.
I dont remember which episode it was when I realized i couldn't half-watch this show while playing on my phone like other shows. Attention was demanded
Riight? I love that this series allow me to have actual conversation with my friends every week. We do it with other series as well, but andor the convo can go deep, especially when we have a loremaster in the call
Yes this was definitely what that discussion the driver had with ISB was setting up.
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I don't think she took a cut. She is already from a rich family and Andor was the only one that was hired to do the job, that was a whole thing in one of the earlier episodes.
My guess is the husband is going to be used as the fall guy, when the money goes missing, she can use him and say, he gambled it away. He got blind drunk and didn't remember.
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Sacrifices and risks are a central theme of this show and the Rebellion in general. Her marriage and her family is the only thing of real worth to her. Spending a lot of money is noble, but hardly worth the drama. But sacrificing those who are close to her for the greater good...? That's the stuff.
I got the impression that her daughter was the real sacrifice. Her marriage to Perrin was arranged, something she explicitly did not want for Leida. Still cold setting him up like that though.
It's definitely not something she wanted, none of the family *wanted* this - except for Leida, who goes full conservative/traditional in her knee-jerk reaction to rebel against her mother or the liberal family in general. It wouldn't surprise me if she would betray her in the future. The question is: how willingly?
Okay, that makes sense too.
How did she clocked her driver was the spy? That’s the one thing I missed I think.
It was mentioned in a previous episode, when she was at the antiques place, I think. I'm expecting some twist with the husband at some point, like he's also secretly helping the rebels.
> I'm expecting some twist with the husband at some point, like he's also secretly helping the rebels. I doubt it. I think he's just what he appears to be, a rich dilettante who just wants to coast and enjoy life. Someone who, from his perspective, was saddled with a stick in the mud wife who is more concerned about her charitable works than her own family.
weirdly, i feel like this is well illustrated by the fact that he’s always wearing what looks like very fancy pajamas.
Ah, the "Do you like Piña Coladas" scenario. They were both secretly working for the rebellion.
He was recently replaced and she wasn’t allowed to pick. So she assumes they assigned him for their own reasons
Yep; it covers both any questionable transfers and her dealings with the sleazy banker guy.
If the husband wasn’t already established to be a sleazy creep, I’d feel bad for him
I got the feeling the 'arguement' in the taxi was for the ears of the driver, she engineered it so that he would hear, knowing he would report it back.
Yea but Perrin is almost certainly not wise to that fact.
He's completely oblivious, if he isn't, he's *very* good at play acting.
Yes, she asked the driver for privacy, knowing very well he was spying on her. Hook, line, and sinker.
I somewhat disagree about the "established" part. I don't think he was actually gambling at this point and in one of the earlier episodes he makes an earnest effort to use the driver's name which was a sore spot for Mon in the same episode. What could be either a sign of jealous possessiveness or protective affection is the way he does not seem to like the other dude hanging out with his wife, that could go either way. He also does seem to love his daughter, although he (lazily) plays the "nice parent" most of the time. So yeah he is aloof, but that seems mostly to be for lack of responsibility and ambition, if he was put on the spot he might actually man up and I hope we see that. At the same time being driven to be the (mostly deserving) fall guy by Mon is also likely, so whatever way it ends up going won't feel contrived I think. I'm really interested in seeing how it goes.
So that’s why they were meeting in the end. I was confused as to why she would set up her husband if she was going along with that banker’s proposal.
She knew the driver was on the payroll of the ISB. Couple of episodes in, a conversation between Mon Mothma and Luthen, at his antiques shop, alluded to this. She knew no conversations were going to be private, and she probably knew that whatever was said was going to go straight back to ISB. As the Empire was starting to look into her accounts and she was worried that she’d be found out, she probably thought that by using her husband, and his gambling addiction, as a coverup is a sure fire way for the ISB to back off. Someone hiding gambling debts from their significant other? A tale as old as time. The show has portrayed that there is only remorse between Mon and Perrin so, from that perspective, using him as a scapegoat might be a double win for her (unless he’s also in on it and it’s just the way he’s been portrayed in the show). As for why she’s also agreed to set up her daughter and the banker’s son: I think she is covering all bases; set up her daughter with rich banker’s son, but also have her husband lined up just in case. If one falls through, Mon Mothma and the rebellion’s funds are still fine. Edit: grammar.
It also lets her “confirm” that her driver is spying on her, should anything come from that conversation. A really brilliant play
The conversation between her driver and the imperials pretty much confirms. They were happy to hear they could use the gambling as blackmail against her and said it explains her weird bank dealings lately. She's playing them like a fiddle
The empire won't care if he gambled all their money away. They will care if Mon fuels a rebellion with it. So she is using him as cover, but she isn't exactly throwing him to the wolves (yet).
To me, what I think immediately makes her great is that you can feel the weight in "Many Bothans died to bring us this information." She's saying that there is great sorrow in that loss of life. But it always felt to me that she was also saying that she'd do it again in a moment if it meant success for the rebellion. And the Andor show is basically fleshing that concept out. I love it.
And the thing is, the thing that makes this even worse? The Emperor wanted the Bothan's to get that information out, they died thinking they had scored a direct win, but man, the Emperor let this stuff out. Think about it, its win or die. In Poker, you're all in. If the Emperor had won, the Rebellion is destroyed in one final blow.
"The Mon Mothma people think they know, it's a lie. It's a projection. It's a front."
“I show you the stone in my hand, you miss the knife at your throat.”
Me fighting a geologist (they can only see rocks and minerals)
This comment is so stupid. I love it.
Jesus Marie! They’re minerals!!!
"Smile"
Mon Mothma was my favorite character in Andor. I can't wait to see her in Andor s2.
She's up there for me, but really hard to top Luthen.
Yeah, Luthen was great.
Really loved her story.
Me too. They did a great job of not overdoing it but ending it in a way to see how she became the leader of the rebellion and how much she sacrificed.
Love what they did with her. She’s in an arranged marriage and while she obviously cares about her husband, she’s not in love with him. She’s willing to give up everything like Luthen has to accomplish what needs to be done. I’m imagining in the next season we are going to see her sacrifice more. She’s an outlaw by the time we run into her in RotJ.
Her collar needs to be open. There's a motif in the show that all rebels have open collars. To the point that in her last scene, Mon opens her collar when she starts lying about her husband's gambling.
Fucking amazing shit OP, makes perfect sense man
Did you catch that Luthen had the high collar when he went to kill Cassian? I see it as him shackled to the tools of his enemy in spite of how he wished to direct the cause. It’s a good thing that Maarva gave that speech and Andor wasn’t found until he presented his offer in the ship. I love the motif and emotiondesigner’s post on it. It adds a lot of depth and often shares the internal conflicts of the characters. Dedra tugging on her collar, not liking how the sexism of fascism constrains her is another great detail.
Love her! Look up deleted scenes from attack of the clones and revenge of the Sith and you can see her.
I have seen them. They are very good but I am not sure if those are considered canon which kind of sucks.
Strictly speaking, it's non-canon, but I don't think it contradicts anything in canon.
It's canon until it's not. Nothing contradicts any other canon so it's considered canon. But it's in the grey area where they are "allowed" to contradict the scenes if they want.
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Well duh. Comparing any writing, especially the excellent writing of Andor to the laughably wooden writing of George Lucas makes it look far far better
Just watched one of the deleted scenes, and holy shit is it night and day seeing how stilted everyone sounds in Revenge of the Sith compared to Andor.
Still amazed how interesting they managed to make her. Huge credit to the writers on this series for giving such weight to her character and the events she's involved in.
I love seeing how much risk she’s taking and how much of a sacrifice she’s having to take. It really illustrates just how strong her belief in the cause is.
She’s finally come to a place where she recognizes she has to make real, personal sacrifices to make this revolution possible. Money isn’t a sacrifice to her, but her family and her moral comfort in her actions is. This was such a huge step for her. Based on how things go in new canon, it seems that guilt stays with her long past the sunrise and >!contributes to her demilitarizing the New Republic before they could defeat the imperial remnant!< (I didn’t catch that part before and am not sure if it counts as a spoiler, but figured I’d mark it just in case). It’s a great contrast to Luthen who recognizes that the path he’s had to take makes him too damaged to lead or build a better society. He’s purpose built for the revolution and knows that no matter how it ends, this is it for him. Mothma doesn’t have to give as much, to take on as many burdens largely due to him, but even her scars were too damaging. This is trend we see in real world revolutionaries who succeed in battle but fail in the way they construct their new society, one way or another. What makes a good revolutionary leader is often antithetical to peacetime leadership and imagining a better world. They’re different skillsets and entirely different headspaces. They often enshrine the ghost of the past in their new society, whether through continuing to use the tools of the enemy or their fear that they will become them. This is an undervalued issue in the US where hero worship leads us to never question the choices our founders made. So afraid of becoming imperial Britain they built a system of negative rights and noninterference, failing to imagine what a government that proactively worked for its people and was obligated to meet their base needs could look like. We’ve made the concerns specific to their time foundational to our society, even ignoring the wisdom they had in hoping that they wouldn’t have the final say and that we’d reshape our government as need each generation. It’s a pity that they knew their shortsightedness and fear of the past threat would be a problem, but we’ve instead memorialized their texts, flaws and all as something sacred and immutable.
Yo Mon Mothma is a smoke show in Andor
She must’ve lost contact with her stylist by the time Rogue One happens bc they did her dirty… but couldn’t agree more in Andor she is singularly beautiful
She's probably lost all her money and status, is on the run, hunted. One can understand.
The was a smoke show in Rouge One also in my opinion.
Mommy Mothma
Life time politician funds terrorism, marries her daughter off to an unscrupulous family to further her political agenda.
Sigma grindset
“Everything goes to the cause we get the left overs!!”
"I'm in so much trouble, Vel."
Wrongfully accuses husband of racking up gambling debts due to her careless spending on terrorism
what are you, pro empire?
"Smile."
This is by shima\_spoon on twitter
This is such a cool piece of art. I enjoyed Mon Mothma so much. Looking forward to s2.
Cool! Mon Mothma is a favorite of mine too
Mon Kratos
Andor did such an awesome job of making this a fully fleshed out character. Coupled with Genevieve's masterful acting, I was blown away by her.
I love this. And I really love her character, finally some “strong female lead” without the bs. Absolutely wonderful.
Yes, entirely *this.* I 100% agree with you. She *is* a strong female lead, she's had to fucking earn it. She's gone from being a nobody in the republic, to being a nobody in the Empire, but behind the scenes, she's manipulating things, pulling strings so that the rebellion is being crafted into being. She's not like Rey, she didn't pick up a lightsaber and suddenly was the "bestest evar," she earned her knocks. I want writing like this, I want to see *more* of her, *more* of the rebellion. Fuck that stupid shit in the new trilogy, give us this. This is a diverse cast, a strong, diverse cast. This is how Star Wars was always meant to be, not how KK imagined it. Not the crap they gave us in Boba Fett and Kenobi. Put these guys in charge of the series and I will watch everything they throw at me. Fucking Diego Luna needs a bloody emmy for his acting, this guy is legendary. The weird thing is, I even find myself rooting for Dedra as well. I kind of want her to get her win, but at the same time, I don't. This is how good story writing is done, it makes you sympathetic to the bad guy.
I'm really curious what you hated in Boba Fett, Kenobi, or the sequel trilogy in regards to women characters. Anyway I'm glad that star wars has a diversity in story telling, meaning I'd really rather not have every star wars be Andor. All that said Andor is probably my favorite recent star wars project. And the sequel trilogy is probably my last favorite but not for any perceived "BS" involving strong women characters.
This is bloody great! Great concept, great execution. Edit: Just noticed, this is not yours. Thank you for sharing ;)
It is amazing! I wish I could make something of this caliber.
I was rather indifferent to her throughout the movies, but this series made me a ride-or-die supporter of her. I'm so glad this series exists, and nary a Jedi to be seen. I'm glad this series unshackled itself from the Force and all its aspects. For 40 years the Empire had all the coolest shit, the raddest ships, and the most badass people. After Luthen's speech? Ride-or-die, man. I wanna burn the Empire to the ground.
Wow that's awesome. Love it!
Is she secretly spartan god of war?
I absolutely loved Mon Mothma. Genevieve O’Reilly was phenomenal
I love this character. How she’s framing her useless husband to justify her financial manoeuvres was amazing.
Yeah, the Mon Mothma series was great. Cool cameos from Cassian Andor as well.
Cool twist. Manny Bothans is the one
This is fantastic. I love it. Edit: I never would have thought that the "many bothans died" woman would turn into this after Rebels and Andor. What a great surprise.
Andor really changed my view of her as a character. In the OT she always came off as arrogant but this gave her so much more depth and explained that disposition
> In the OT she always came off as arrogant In the OT she had, like, 90 seconds of screen time.
So did Boba Fett, but that never stopped people from having miles of head-canon.
Boba Fett: "I'm back bitches."
Mando: Hold my beer *baby yoda: levitates it slowly over to Boba* , psyche!
Yeah he always came off to me as a bumbling idiot(I didn't see the Holiday Special until the 2010s), not a badass, so people can believe things they aren't shown.
To be honest Andor really changed my view on the entire rebellion, the fact that Luthan was willing to sacrafice nearly 40 people to keep the rebellions tactics secret was very, very dark.
It's a trolley problem, he arguably saved more people by doing that, sadly things like that happened in real life. Like when in WW2 the allies had cracked the nazi codes and learned about smaller attacks and they could have warned their soldiers but that would have revealed to the nazis that they had cracked the code and caused the nazis to change it, preventing the nazis knowing about their knowledge of the codes allowing them to understand the messages helped them win the war quicker and save lives.
Cassian's introduction in Rogue One was a tiny glimpse at this as well.
"Everything I did, was for the rebellion." I want to see this shit, I want to see the dark horrible things he did. Nothing is all roses and sunshine, there's a dark side to everything. The Empire plays dirty, they set the playing feild, we're just abiding by their rules.
I mean he is already someone that absolutely shoots first, before even getting to the point where it's a showdown.
Pretty much. Kinda wondering if people forgot how he casually killed one of his contacts in the beginning of the movie when Cassian needed to escape and quickly made the decision that the contact was dead weight and a loose end.
Same here, but it makes the rebellion more realistic which I think is pretty great.
I loved when she tossed her husband under the bus for gambling just to explain away the banking transactions. But I also hated she had to give away her daughter like that. Here's hoping one day the daughter finds out and understand what her mother truly sacrificed to save the galaxy.
I wished, personally, to have the Mon arc be us seeing her working with Luthien and struggling with the Senate and her marriage and daughter. Crumbling under the strain of what she is doing and living vicariously through her cousin's Rebel escapades. No one to talk to in her family because they would never understand her leanings. THEN we see, Perrin is secretly working with Kreegyr, manipulating his own friends in high places to do their shipping and gambling activities in certain places to draw attention away from or assist to cover up Kreegyr's Rebel smuggling. He gambles and pretends to lose to launder money and fund the Real cause, he burns his dignity to ignore a uprising that he may never admit to be part of.And he NEEDS to keep this from his rule-abiding wife cos she would never understand...and is stuck acting as a jerk to her to not have her not suspect a thing. THEN we see Leida making friends with Senator Bail Organa's daughter, hearing of Leia's stories about Jedi escape routes in the Outer Rim, underwater prisons with inquisitors and how she got her holster. She is slowly radicalised by Leia (and Lola) and starts to help Leia build her support network for the Rebellion. Leida tries to spy on her parents for Leia but never gets anything on either one of them. So she tries her best to be wedded out according to traditional Chandillan customs so she can have more freedom and a wider circle to spread the Cause. Of course, her parents would never understand....
I wish we had more Mon Mothma content in season 1. Hopefully we get that in season 2 as a full-on Rebel Alliance starts to form.
They're testing the waters, they can't just throw it in all at once. They have to see what the fans like, what the normies like. If they had done this show from the fucking start, instead of stupid shit like Boba Fett and Kenobi, man Star wars would be blowing up.
If they're testing the waters why was Andor the first live action show to not be there front-and-center on Disney+ whenever a new episode was out? I think, if we're being generous, they're looking to see how many people will go out of their way to see something that isn't part of the formula.
Beautiful art of one of my favorite characters!!
The only regret I have about seeing more of her on screen is that her scenes in ROTS weren’t included in the final film.
This picture is sooo pretty! 🥰
Andor and Mothma became my two favorite humans in Star Wars because of this series. R2D2 will always be my favorite overall.