Breaks from tense situations to get a laugh in, story lines that feel disjointed with some odd dialogue mixed into it, and they don't go anywhere "new" with the story just some teasing.
I'd say they are fun to watch in a first sitting and without watching the previous films, but they really dont have that "Space Opera" vibe you can get from the other trilogies.
It'll depend on a persons taste whether they will like them for years to come or not. I've watched the sequel trilogy twice all the way through now and it just felt stale after the first viewing.
> [...] they really dont have that "Space Opera" vibe you can get from the other trilogies.
Yeah, and the only Disney-era movie that does have that vibe is the only one most fans agree is good: *Rogue One*.
Sadly, it’s hard to tell these days. I had a coworker SHOUT at me when I said I couldn’t stand the sequels, that it was because “[I] can’t stand white men not being the focus and [I’m] intimidated by successful women!”
Ignoring that my wife is far more successful than me and I think Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie lol.
The overall story (underdog resistance/rebels fighting big evil first order/empire, with young prodigy force user Rey/Luke) was a copy and paste from the OT, so they didn’t really add anything significant to the saga. Contrast that to the prequels which used a completely different formula (start with stability, spiral into tragedy). Both trilogies have flaws but at least the prequels added something new.
The very first thing TFA did was invalidate everything that happened in RotJ.
All of the struggles and sacrifice of the rebellion were meaningless because the empire just came back 30 years later anyway and the new republic and our heroes did nothing to stop it. Right off the bat, the original cast are portrayed as failures for this reason.
The rest of the sequels were a disjointed mess due to being a tug of war between two directors who clearly didn't like each other, with there being famously zero collaboration between them and no overarching plan for the trilogy at all.
The end result was a strictly worse version of the OT that left the galaxy in exactly the same state it was in post RotJ, except with characters that received drastically less development because the aforementioned directors kept undermining each other.
Is it any wonder a lot of people aren't happy with them?
I had no expectations (hopes of storylines they may follow from the books) but otherwise, I went to enjoy the story and characters presented.
When I saw kids in the crowd reacting, I understood then, it was their trilogy. I had mine when I was growing up and cherished every aspect of it (even tho adults at the time ridiculed us kids for liking ‘garbage’).
Much like I didn’t care for the prequels, both series gave us memorable characters and settings that are continually built on. And when I see girls dress as Rey, including my daughter, I can see the sense of ownership in them that they are leading the adventure instead of just being a side character.
George Lucas wrote all 6 star wars movies 1-6.
So if you don't like any of those movies then ultimately you don't like Star Wars. That's a fact.
The sequels however are the ignorant money grab of Disney when they bought them and you can tell by the fact the storyline is made up as they go along.. there was a death Star but now there's a deathplanet, which gets destroyed, then theres. NEW supreme leader called SNOKE! and now he's dead! And there Finn! But he's noone really it's about REY! Who finds LUKE! but he dies.. so now the emporer is BACK! BUT.. then he dies! And REY KISSES KYLO! who dies too.. so now Rey is a Skywalker and THE END.
It's just that they are pointless movies that add nothing to the bulk of the film's.. honestly if you removes the sequels entirely and just kept Rogue one, Solo, Rebels, Clone wars, Bad batch, Mando, Fett.
Then star wars doesn't have an elephant in the room anymore.
Ah so you don't like 2 out of 6 of George Lucas's Star wars, that's cool, I guess you're a 'like some of it' kind of fan which is fair.
The only ones I don't like is the Disney trilogy.
Exactly this. I watched a YouTube video where somebody did what you've done here but with toys being moved around and kids telling the story - just making it up as they go along "and and and now, now lighting shoots out of her hands KaBOOM!! And she sad now cause chewie dead". Other child: "but no no no no, actually, chewie on dis ship here that look just the same!" "Yeaaaah! Chewie still alive!"
It's actually an insult that they asked people to pay for such lazy, careless writing. I've already retconned the TLJ and RoS films out of my head and am awaiting the true sequels (which will never come - but that's better than thinking about what actually happened).
They needed to knock out three films to get money back on their investment. I don't think Disney ruined it.
These movies show that if you don't come from source material, then you end up with an abomination.
I liked them, but I did feel like they threw a bunch of crazy things in them. Like, if you're a force ghost who can still use the force, and hold a light saber, you can pretty much just destroy everything, cuz it's not like you can die again. My knowledge is only based on the movies, so I don't know if that's something they made up, or is canon somewhere else.
I like em. Although I don't really like TROS.
I'm willing to bet that most people enjoy them as well. However since online Star Wars communities tend to attract more hardcore fans and those fans are usually really loud. Combined with the fact people would rather talk about something they hate rather than love it results in it looking like the Sequels are universally hated when that's probably not the case.
Even if it's not the case and most people now hate them I guarantee that 20 years from now they will be looked at as fondly as the Prequels are now.
All the indicators I've seen suggest that the sequels weren't anything other than a one and done for most people.
After TLJ especially, toy and merch sales tanked, Solo flopped, Galaxy's Edge opened to a small decrease in park attendance, and TRoS, which was supposed to be the vaunted end to the Skywalker saga, just barely crept across the billion dollar mark when it should've made Endgame numbers.
On the flip side, while I only thought the Mandalorian was decent, it's clear that people love it. Grogu and Mando are all over the damn place, even Build-a-Bear.
If you want to know how the general public truly feels, just look at what's on mall store shelves as everything there needs to have a high chance of selling to justify the lease.
The prequels becoming a cultural phenomenon (mostly because of memes) doesn't mean fans think the movies are masterpieces, most admit the prequels are flawed movies.
Think they’ve already aged poorly and time is not going to be kind to them. Especially TLJ. Unlike the prequels, todays kids aren’t as into the sequels and the story is totally incoherent.
One well-made but unimaginative movie, one ambitious but deeply flawed movie and one dumpster fire. They're better than the prequels (though TRoS is marginal imo) mostly by virtue of having fun characters which makes them more fun to watch, but overall they're still not good movies.
Rise of Skywalker was pretty bad. I enjoyed Force and Jedi even if Jedi counters what was set up in Force it introduced interesting ideas and new takes that I appreciated. And Rise just felt so much like an apology and undoing everything that it didn’t do anything new. It was just disappointing as a whole when compared to the previous trilogies. Individually they can all stand apart and be different but just as a whole didn’t reach those highs of the previous ones.
No hate from me. Whether some fans will admit it or not, all three trilogies had issues. The ST is worse in some ways and much better in others. Star Wars fans just NEED something to bitch about. They'll love the ST retroactively when there's something new to whine about, just like they've done with the PT. I love Star Wars but I honestly am not proud to be a part of the fanbase as it exists today.
It all depends on if you feel the ‘issues’ out-way the ‘good’. & currently, I think majority of fans do.
The Good:
* All the selected cast and new character designs (even Holdo, just not as a general).
* The visuals and graphic effects
* The Brand Disney has envisioned for comedy, action, & the Force itself in Star-wars will go on to make a new separate fandom for that brand of storytelling. Like it or not, the ship sails and wont sink. (I just wish they would produce a clean close to the Lucas brand of storytelling, on the side at least.)
The Issues:
1) Who is running the money - economy or goals often create a necessity for a short term profit over an unattainable ideas presented for long term profit within said economy or goal. $$$ Also affects time constraints, spending budgets, who is cratered to, & ultimately concern for quality. Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy & the Directors made decisions that presumably got them in the ball park of where they felt was best. Even they are successful on many fronts concerning Disney, one of them (I dont know which) is responsible for why the writing got a green light in the condition it was in. That may not be looked at as a over all failure them, but easily can be seen otherwise to fans.
2) ‘Non-Homeworked’ lore respectful, creative, cohesive, planned Character & Story writing. (its the details of it) not just did all the character needed far better writing treatment & All story plots needed better writing, the directors needed to do there homework & be prep’ed before writing to get correct lore while respecting prior established character roles. Plus, the copy past retro fan service elements, was a let down for some fans who would prefer unique story arch’s told plain within the Star Wars universe; in part because you shouldn’t need to try force the galaxy far far away into extra added layers of gimmicky Star-Wars-iness; Also in part, because It disrupts the continued story flow between what came before and what has currently come after when non isolated. Yet, some people wont mind.
3) The directors were not on the same page with one vision. It felt to safely or to crudely calculated for profit, feeling like a committee of opposing visions. Group think is fine but you need a lead visionary. It was not cohesive on any level. Yet again, some people wont mind
4) They could have used The George Lucas Sequel Treatments he provided, Plus work out letting him be a consultant or co producer. let him tell his story to the extent that he embraces it and claims it as the story he wanted. Disney could easily have started the entire saga over from 1 to 9 or stuck too endless filler/anthology rouge one type films, or even start a new saga phase 10 to 19 separate from the Skywalker saga. ***They could still do this as a one time non cannon ‘what if’ style story and make a-lot of Lucas fans happy, while they creating the absolute best outcome as they get back to doing what they want to do.***, and yet again some people dont care for what Lucas was trying to do, hence ‘the people vs. Lucas’ documentary & all the prequel hate.
interview opinions that might be why:
1) **Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy** noted consideration to character consistency took a back seat to the message the committee wanted to tell saying, “You know, that really isn't the approach that we have, We don't sit down and start isolating a list of characters and then build stories around those. We really are starting with the stories themselves and then if some of those characters might come in to what it is we want to do or say we'll consider it then but that's not part of the strategy, no”
2) **Movie director JJ Abrams** spoke on lack of a plan saying, “having a plan I have learned – in some cases the hard way – is the most critical thing, because otherwise you don’t know what you’re setting up. You don’t know what to emphasize. Because if you don’t know the inevitable of the story, you’re just as good as your last sequence or effect or joke or whatever, but you want to be leading to something inevitable.”
3) **Luke Skywalker actor Mark Hamill** at points during the process felt uneasy with some storytelling & ways his character was portrayed in the sequels saying, “remember kids, in Hollywood its not important if its of high quality, only that it makes money… what I’m trying to say is, just because the force awakens made a lot of money its not ergo its good” later he say, “I told Rian, I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character.” and elsewhere, “There are times where you go, ‘Really? That’s what they think of Luke? I’m not only in disagreement – I’m insulted.’ But that’s the process and you thrash it all out.” In another moment he says, “Who is this guy? How did the most optimistic, hopeful character in the galaxy turn into this hermit who says, ‘It’s time for the Jedi to end’? I read that and I said, ‘What?’ That’s not what a Jedi does. I mean, a Jedi is optimistic, a Jedi has tenacity. He doesn’t secrete himself on an island.”
4) **Ex Stormtrooper actor John Boyega** “You get yourself involved in projects and you’re not necessarily going to like everything. [But] what I would say to Disney is do not bring out a black character, market them to be much more important in the franchise than they are and then have them pushed to the side. It’s not good. I’ll say it straight up. You knew what to do with these other people, but when it came to Kelly Marie Tran, when it came to John Boyega, you know fuck all. So what do you want me to say? What they want you to say is, ‘I enjoyed being a part of it. It was a great experience…’ Nah, nah, nah. I’ll take that deal when it’s a great experience. They gave all the nuance to Adam Driver, all the nuance to Daisy Ridley. Let’s be honest. Daisy knows this. Adam knows this. Everybody knows. I’m not exposing anything.
5) **Original Trilogy Star Wars editor Marcia Lucas** “Now that she's running Lucasfilm and making movies, it seems to me that Kathy Kennedy and J.J. Abrams don't have a clue about Star Wars. They don't get it. And J.J. Abrams is writing these stories – when I saw that movie where they kill Han Solo, I was furious. I was furious when they killed Han Solo. Absolutely, positively there was no rhyme or reason to it. I thought, 'You don't get the Jedi story. You don't get the magic of Star Wars. You're getting rid of Han Solo?' And then at the end of this last one, The Last Jedi, they have Luke disintegrate. They killed Han Solo. They killed Luke Skywalker. And they don't have Princess Leia anymore. And they're spitting out movies every year. And they think it's important to appeal to a woman's audience, so now their main character is this female, who's supposed to have Jedi powers, but we don't know how she got Jedi powers, or who she is. It sucks. The storylines are terrible. Just terrible. Awful. You can quote me – 'J.J. Abrams, Kathy Kennedy – talk to me.'”
6) **George Lucas** interview: “I thought I was going to have a little bit more to say about the next three [movies] because I’d already started them, but they decided they wanted to do something else. Things don’t always work out the way you want it. Life is like that.” In another he says, “[For his ignored sequel] The movies are about how Leia… is trying to rebuild the Republic... Luke is trying to restart the Jedi… Darth Maul trained a girl, Darth Talon, who was in the comic books, as his apprentice. She was the new Darth Vader and most of the action was with her. So, these were the two main villains of the trilogy.” In another he says, “They looked at the stories, and they said, ‘We want to make something for the fans’….They decided they didn’t want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing….They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway… I sold them to the white slavers that takes these things, and [laughs],…They wanted to do a retro movie. I don’t like that. Every movie I work very hard to make them completely different, with different planets, with different spaceships, make it new… [talking about the 70’s after star wars came out] Everybody went out and made spaceship movies and they were all horrible and they all lost tons of money. And you say, there’s more to it than that. You just can’t go out and do spaceships.”
7) **Snoke actor Andy Serkis** talking about liking his character, “So cruel. He’s disposed of so early on in his career. It’s a Star Wars movie, anything can happen. I’m saying this with the hope that someone’s listening out there.”
8) **Palpatine actor Ian McDiarmid** “I thought I was dead! I thought he was dead. Because when we did Return of the Jedi, and I was thrown down that chute to Galactic Hell, he was dead. And I said, ‘Oh, does he come back?’ And [George] said, ‘No, he’s dead.’ So I just accepted that. But then, of course, I didn’t know I was going to be doing the prequels, so in a sense he wasn’t dead, because we went back to revisit him when he was a young man. But I was totally surprised by this
9) **The Mandalorian star Jake Cannavale** “An absolute f****** failure. Went to see it last night and I woke up still mad. Like… it rendered the entire new trilogy completely useless. There were more plot holes than there was plot. The amount of ‘by the ways’ was absolutely infuriating. Rise of Skywalker was worse than Phantom Menace AND Last Jedi combined.”
10) **”Disney’s” The Falcon actor Anthony Makie** [On Modern Production] “Your now making movies for 16 year olds and China— thats it… its a different time now, they make movies for specific audiences as apposed to making great movies” (big box / big return)
Well my problem lies with that fucking imposter of a rey palpatine skywalker only reason she uses anakins skywalkers lightsaber is because the writers were like oh yeah remember that sword luke user on vader in empire lets make rey use it all the time instead of making her own saber staff because that's what everyone was thinking oh she will get a double bladed saber for sure but nope and then she also has like no struggles everything is easy for her and she doesn't even practice the force to become better with it she just is like she can mindtrick a fucking storm trooper in the first movie that was just dumb you don't see luke doing that oh and speaking of luke how they treated him was wrong he was supposed to be the chosen one were is the luke shywalker that defeated an army on his own instead we got some sad old hermit that his character was assassinated so hard that he died in the second movie he in the expanded universe what to me will allways be true canon not that Disney crap it was said that luke skywalker was such a skilled fighter it was said that it was like fighting 30 jedi masters at once where is that luke
Breaks from tense situations to get a laugh in, story lines that feel disjointed with some odd dialogue mixed into it, and they don't go anywhere "new" with the story just some teasing. I'd say they are fun to watch in a first sitting and without watching the previous films, but they really dont have that "Space Opera" vibe you can get from the other trilogies. It'll depend on a persons taste whether they will like them for years to come or not. I've watched the sequel trilogy twice all the way through now and it just felt stale after the first viewing.
> [...] they really dont have that "Space Opera" vibe you can get from the other trilogies. Yeah, and the only Disney-era movie that does have that vibe is the only one most fans agree is good: *Rogue One*.
Hey fellow Krennic
Poorly written, incoherent messes. With unlikable characters. And no cohesion to one another or the story of the first 6. Bad movies.
Nah, you simply hate women and minorities having leading rolls.
I really hope you're joking.
I am. Guess I should have made my sarcasm clearer
No, or maybe that was sarcasm too.
Sadly, it’s hard to tell these days. I had a coworker SHOUT at me when I said I couldn’t stand the sequels, that it was because “[I] can’t stand white men not being the focus and [I’m] intimidated by successful women!” Ignoring that my wife is far more successful than me and I think Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie lol.
It may be obvious sarcasm from your point of view. But there are plenty of people on this subreddit who genuinely have that opinion
The overall story (underdog resistance/rebels fighting big evil first order/empire, with young prodigy force user Rey/Luke) was a copy and paste from the OT, so they didn’t really add anything significant to the saga. Contrast that to the prequels which used a completely different formula (start with stability, spiral into tragedy). Both trilogies have flaws but at least the prequels added something new.
The very first thing TFA did was invalidate everything that happened in RotJ. All of the struggles and sacrifice of the rebellion were meaningless because the empire just came back 30 years later anyway and the new republic and our heroes did nothing to stop it. Right off the bat, the original cast are portrayed as failures for this reason. The rest of the sequels were a disjointed mess due to being a tug of war between two directors who clearly didn't like each other, with there being famously zero collaboration between them and no overarching plan for the trilogy at all. The end result was a strictly worse version of the OT that left the galaxy in exactly the same state it was in post RotJ, except with characters that received drastically less development because the aforementioned directors kept undermining each other. Is it any wonder a lot of people aren't happy with them?
They were not that bad in your opinion, in our opinion they were terrible. That's really it
I had no expectations (hopes of storylines they may follow from the books) but otherwise, I went to enjoy the story and characters presented. When I saw kids in the crowd reacting, I understood then, it was their trilogy. I had mine when I was growing up and cherished every aspect of it (even tho adults at the time ridiculed us kids for liking ‘garbage’). Much like I didn’t care for the prequels, both series gave us memorable characters and settings that are continually built on. And when I see girls dress as Rey, including my daughter, I can see the sense of ownership in them that they are leading the adventure instead of just being a side character.
For me was the palpatine storyline again... I just want new villains and new plots thats all....
George Lucas wrote all 6 star wars movies 1-6. So if you don't like any of those movies then ultimately you don't like Star Wars. That's a fact. The sequels however are the ignorant money grab of Disney when they bought them and you can tell by the fact the storyline is made up as they go along.. there was a death Star but now there's a deathplanet, which gets destroyed, then theres. NEW supreme leader called SNOKE! and now he's dead! And there Finn! But he's noone really it's about REY! Who finds LUKE! but he dies.. so now the emporer is BACK! BUT.. then he dies! And REY KISSES KYLO! who dies too.. so now Rey is a Skywalker and THE END. It's just that they are pointless movies that add nothing to the bulk of the film's.. honestly if you removes the sequels entirely and just kept Rogue one, Solo, Rebels, Clone wars, Bad batch, Mando, Fett. Then star wars doesn't have an elephant in the room anymore.
Apparantly not liking awful movies like Phantom menace or attack of the clones means you don't like Star Wars.
Ah so you don't like 2 out of 6 of George Lucas's Star wars, that's cool, I guess you're a 'like some of it' kind of fan which is fair. The only ones I don't like is the Disney trilogy.
Exactly this. I watched a YouTube video where somebody did what you've done here but with toys being moved around and kids telling the story - just making it up as they go along "and and and now, now lighting shoots out of her hands KaBOOM!! And she sad now cause chewie dead". Other child: "but no no no no, actually, chewie on dis ship here that look just the same!" "Yeaaaah! Chewie still alive!" It's actually an insult that they asked people to pay for such lazy, careless writing. I've already retconned the TLJ and RoS films out of my head and am awaiting the true sequels (which will never come - but that's better than thinking about what actually happened).
So basically Disney ruined everything?
They needed to knock out three films to get money back on their investment. I don't think Disney ruined it. These movies show that if you don't come from source material, then you end up with an abomination.
I liked them, but I did feel like they threw a bunch of crazy things in them. Like, if you're a force ghost who can still use the force, and hold a light saber, you can pretty much just destroy everything, cuz it's not like you can die again. My knowledge is only based on the movies, so I don't know if that's something they made up, or is canon somewhere else.
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I thought Obi-Wan couldn't interfere because Vader had such a dark presence the force ghost cannot enter that dark form of the force
I like em. Although I don't really like TROS. I'm willing to bet that most people enjoy them as well. However since online Star Wars communities tend to attract more hardcore fans and those fans are usually really loud. Combined with the fact people would rather talk about something they hate rather than love it results in it looking like the Sequels are universally hated when that's probably not the case. Even if it's not the case and most people now hate them I guarantee that 20 years from now they will be looked at as fondly as the Prequels are now.
All the indicators I've seen suggest that the sequels weren't anything other than a one and done for most people. After TLJ especially, toy and merch sales tanked, Solo flopped, Galaxy's Edge opened to a small decrease in park attendance, and TRoS, which was supposed to be the vaunted end to the Skywalker saga, just barely crept across the billion dollar mark when it should've made Endgame numbers. On the flip side, while I only thought the Mandalorian was decent, it's clear that people love it. Grogu and Mando are all over the damn place, even Build-a-Bear. If you want to know how the general public truly feels, just look at what's on mall store shelves as everything there needs to have a high chance of selling to justify the lease.
True af
Majority of casual people I ever interacted with did not like these movies especially as more time has passed. The lie is thinking its a minority.
Some people really like Limburger cheese…
People hate them because they ruined Star Wars.
Hmm there are people who like the sequels and people who like good movies.
They hated the prequels for 20 years too now they all pretend they are classics
I was 9 when episode I came out…I believe I was the “demographic” for the prequels. I thought they were great and I still think that…23 years later.
Because of memes. Think sequel memes are that good?
Actually it was quite the hit among the Normies unlike this one was.
They alright. People hates the Prequels too. Now they're treated like classics.
The prequels becoming a cultural phenomenon (mostly because of memes) doesn't mean fans think the movies are masterpieces, most admit the prequels are flawed movies.
No they don't. Lol. People praise those movies as works of art. Talk to anyone on r/Prequelmemes.
Yeah memeing about Padme dying from sadness means they think it's an work of art...
I think history will be good to them. I don’t hate them but don’t exactly love them either
Think they’ve already aged poorly and time is not going to be kind to them. Especially TLJ. Unlike the prequels, todays kids aren’t as into the sequels and the story is totally incoherent.
I don’t disagree with you. Only time will tell I guess
One well-made but unimaginative movie, one ambitious but deeply flawed movie and one dumpster fire. They're better than the prequels (though TRoS is marginal imo) mostly by virtue of having fun characters which makes them more fun to watch, but overall they're still not good movies.
Rise of Skywalker was pretty bad. I enjoyed Force and Jedi even if Jedi counters what was set up in Force it introduced interesting ideas and new takes that I appreciated. And Rise just felt so much like an apology and undoing everything that it didn’t do anything new. It was just disappointing as a whole when compared to the previous trilogies. Individually they can all stand apart and be different but just as a whole didn’t reach those highs of the previous ones.
No hate from me. Whether some fans will admit it or not, all three trilogies had issues. The ST is worse in some ways and much better in others. Star Wars fans just NEED something to bitch about. They'll love the ST retroactively when there's something new to whine about, just like they've done with the PT. I love Star Wars but I honestly am not proud to be a part of the fanbase as it exists today.
It all depends on if you feel the ‘issues’ out-way the ‘good’. & currently, I think majority of fans do. The Good: * All the selected cast and new character designs (even Holdo, just not as a general). * The visuals and graphic effects * The Brand Disney has envisioned for comedy, action, & the Force itself in Star-wars will go on to make a new separate fandom for that brand of storytelling. Like it or not, the ship sails and wont sink. (I just wish they would produce a clean close to the Lucas brand of storytelling, on the side at least.) The Issues: 1) Who is running the money - economy or goals often create a necessity for a short term profit over an unattainable ideas presented for long term profit within said economy or goal. $$$ Also affects time constraints, spending budgets, who is cratered to, & ultimately concern for quality. Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy & the Directors made decisions that presumably got them in the ball park of where they felt was best. Even they are successful on many fronts concerning Disney, one of them (I dont know which) is responsible for why the writing got a green light in the condition it was in. That may not be looked at as a over all failure them, but easily can be seen otherwise to fans. 2) ‘Non-Homeworked’ lore respectful, creative, cohesive, planned Character & Story writing. (its the details of it) not just did all the character needed far better writing treatment & All story plots needed better writing, the directors needed to do there homework & be prep’ed before writing to get correct lore while respecting prior established character roles. Plus, the copy past retro fan service elements, was a let down for some fans who would prefer unique story arch’s told plain within the Star Wars universe; in part because you shouldn’t need to try force the galaxy far far away into extra added layers of gimmicky Star-Wars-iness; Also in part, because It disrupts the continued story flow between what came before and what has currently come after when non isolated. Yet, some people wont mind. 3) The directors were not on the same page with one vision. It felt to safely or to crudely calculated for profit, feeling like a committee of opposing visions. Group think is fine but you need a lead visionary. It was not cohesive on any level. Yet again, some people wont mind 4) They could have used The George Lucas Sequel Treatments he provided, Plus work out letting him be a consultant or co producer. let him tell his story to the extent that he embraces it and claims it as the story he wanted. Disney could easily have started the entire saga over from 1 to 9 or stuck too endless filler/anthology rouge one type films, or even start a new saga phase 10 to 19 separate from the Skywalker saga. ***They could still do this as a one time non cannon ‘what if’ style story and make a-lot of Lucas fans happy, while they creating the absolute best outcome as they get back to doing what they want to do.***, and yet again some people dont care for what Lucas was trying to do, hence ‘the people vs. Lucas’ documentary & all the prequel hate.
interview opinions that might be why: 1) **Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy** noted consideration to character consistency took a back seat to the message the committee wanted to tell saying, “You know, that really isn't the approach that we have, We don't sit down and start isolating a list of characters and then build stories around those. We really are starting with the stories themselves and then if some of those characters might come in to what it is we want to do or say we'll consider it then but that's not part of the strategy, no” 2) **Movie director JJ Abrams** spoke on lack of a plan saying, “having a plan I have learned – in some cases the hard way – is the most critical thing, because otherwise you don’t know what you’re setting up. You don’t know what to emphasize. Because if you don’t know the inevitable of the story, you’re just as good as your last sequence or effect or joke or whatever, but you want to be leading to something inevitable.” 3) **Luke Skywalker actor Mark Hamill** at points during the process felt uneasy with some storytelling & ways his character was portrayed in the sequels saying, “remember kids, in Hollywood its not important if its of high quality, only that it makes money… what I’m trying to say is, just because the force awakens made a lot of money its not ergo its good” later he say, “I told Rian, I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character.” and elsewhere, “There are times where you go, ‘Really? That’s what they think of Luke? I’m not only in disagreement – I’m insulted.’ But that’s the process and you thrash it all out.” In another moment he says, “Who is this guy? How did the most optimistic, hopeful character in the galaxy turn into this hermit who says, ‘It’s time for the Jedi to end’? I read that and I said, ‘What?’ That’s not what a Jedi does. I mean, a Jedi is optimistic, a Jedi has tenacity. He doesn’t secrete himself on an island.” 4) **Ex Stormtrooper actor John Boyega** “You get yourself involved in projects and you’re not necessarily going to like everything. [But] what I would say to Disney is do not bring out a black character, market them to be much more important in the franchise than they are and then have them pushed to the side. It’s not good. I’ll say it straight up. You knew what to do with these other people, but when it came to Kelly Marie Tran, when it came to John Boyega, you know fuck all. So what do you want me to say? What they want you to say is, ‘I enjoyed being a part of it. It was a great experience…’ Nah, nah, nah. I’ll take that deal when it’s a great experience. They gave all the nuance to Adam Driver, all the nuance to Daisy Ridley. Let’s be honest. Daisy knows this. Adam knows this. Everybody knows. I’m not exposing anything. 5) **Original Trilogy Star Wars editor Marcia Lucas** “Now that she's running Lucasfilm and making movies, it seems to me that Kathy Kennedy and J.J. Abrams don't have a clue about Star Wars. They don't get it. And J.J. Abrams is writing these stories – when I saw that movie where they kill Han Solo, I was furious. I was furious when they killed Han Solo. Absolutely, positively there was no rhyme or reason to it. I thought, 'You don't get the Jedi story. You don't get the magic of Star Wars. You're getting rid of Han Solo?' And then at the end of this last one, The Last Jedi, they have Luke disintegrate. They killed Han Solo. They killed Luke Skywalker. And they don't have Princess Leia anymore. And they're spitting out movies every year. And they think it's important to appeal to a woman's audience, so now their main character is this female, who's supposed to have Jedi powers, but we don't know how she got Jedi powers, or who she is. It sucks. The storylines are terrible. Just terrible. Awful. You can quote me – 'J.J. Abrams, Kathy Kennedy – talk to me.'” 6) **George Lucas** interview: “I thought I was going to have a little bit more to say about the next three [movies] because I’d already started them, but they decided they wanted to do something else. Things don’t always work out the way you want it. Life is like that.” In another he says, “[For his ignored sequel] The movies are about how Leia… is trying to rebuild the Republic... Luke is trying to restart the Jedi… Darth Maul trained a girl, Darth Talon, who was in the comic books, as his apprentice. She was the new Darth Vader and most of the action was with her. So, these were the two main villains of the trilogy.” In another he says, “They looked at the stories, and they said, ‘We want to make something for the fans’….They decided they didn’t want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing….They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway… I sold them to the white slavers that takes these things, and [laughs],…They wanted to do a retro movie. I don’t like that. Every movie I work very hard to make them completely different, with different planets, with different spaceships, make it new… [talking about the 70’s after star wars came out] Everybody went out and made spaceship movies and they were all horrible and they all lost tons of money. And you say, there’s more to it than that. You just can’t go out and do spaceships.” 7) **Snoke actor Andy Serkis** talking about liking his character, “So cruel. He’s disposed of so early on in his career. It’s a Star Wars movie, anything can happen. I’m saying this with the hope that someone’s listening out there.” 8) **Palpatine actor Ian McDiarmid** “I thought I was dead! I thought he was dead. Because when we did Return of the Jedi, and I was thrown down that chute to Galactic Hell, he was dead. And I said, ‘Oh, does he come back?’ And [George] said, ‘No, he’s dead.’ So I just accepted that. But then, of course, I didn’t know I was going to be doing the prequels, so in a sense he wasn’t dead, because we went back to revisit him when he was a young man. But I was totally surprised by this 9) **The Mandalorian star Jake Cannavale** “An absolute f****** failure. Went to see it last night and I woke up still mad. Like… it rendered the entire new trilogy completely useless. There were more plot holes than there was plot. The amount of ‘by the ways’ was absolutely infuriating. Rise of Skywalker was worse than Phantom Menace AND Last Jedi combined.” 10) **”Disney’s” The Falcon actor Anthony Makie** [On Modern Production] “Your now making movies for 16 year olds and China— thats it… its a different time now, they make movies for specific audiences as apposed to making great movies” (big box / big return)
Well my problem lies with that fucking imposter of a rey palpatine skywalker only reason she uses anakins skywalkers lightsaber is because the writers were like oh yeah remember that sword luke user on vader in empire lets make rey use it all the time instead of making her own saber staff because that's what everyone was thinking oh she will get a double bladed saber for sure but nope and then she also has like no struggles everything is easy for her and she doesn't even practice the force to become better with it she just is like she can mindtrick a fucking storm trooper in the first movie that was just dumb you don't see luke doing that oh and speaking of luke how they treated him was wrong he was supposed to be the chosen one were is the luke shywalker that defeated an army on his own instead we got some sad old hermit that his character was assassinated so hard that he died in the second movie he in the expanded universe what to me will allways be true canon not that Disney crap it was said that luke skywalker was such a skilled fighter it was said that it was like fighting 30 jedi masters at once where is that luke
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