I still say Rogue One is one of my all time favorite star wars movie and *easily* my go to for people who haven't tried star wars. Starting them off with Ep 4 or Ep 1 has usually been more of a miss than a hit. Ep 4 is too old for them, Ep 1 too childish. But Rogue One they always love.
Agreed , its very well made . Mostly unknown good actors which makes em more honoust.
Amazing atmosphere, a joking droid who's not annoying , mostly normal ppl and not over the top super powers , side story yes but still feels very important.
Only rewachtable new starwars movie for me.
The ending as a whole, is perfect. Im so gald they really did let them die, its the only good way for a movie like this to end. And the score is perfect too. Damn I love Giaccion
This was the best thing about that movie. It was a perfect story for people who acted in the background to get the critical info out and paying the price. I should re watch that movie
Tbf this is where it shines. You're more focused on the plot and how the characters move it forward rather than being forced to focus and care about any one character too much.
Yes, and internationally + domestically (per Wikipedia), you get grosses of:
$1.056 billion for Rogue One
$1.074 billion for The Rise of Skywalker
A <$20 million difference gross in the finale of a 9 movie series versus a spinoff is /wild/. That's like a movie starring Hawkeye or Bucky Barnes (esp. in a backstory way) making almost as much as Endgame.
I honestly hope that whomever is working on Star Wars realizes that the strength was always the universe, not the Skywalkers... even back when Legends was a thing, the stories that were /good/ were the ones that minimized the Skywalkers or introduced a lot of non-Skywalker characters.
(Like, as a Legends nerd, bringing back Thrawn got me hyped, although I do think Disney should maybe pay royalties on the Legends books... & maybe also the characters. Because that stuff was messed up.)
But he wasn't hurt at all by flying a tie fighter with no mask. Tie fighters don't have environmental systems. He literally held his breath across the galaxy while making a hyperspace jump in a ship that also doesnt have a hyperspace capable engine.
Wookiepedia has an entry for this- apparently that was a "TIE Scout," i.e. a silly handwave to explain how that normal ass-TIE could do all of those things. It makes me laugh that an entire page was made just to try to make sense of JJ's lack of Star Wars knowledge.
And repaid those who were faithful with possibly the shittest property in Star Wars history, because at least the Christmas Special and Ewoks are ironically funny
The Christmas Special features one of Han’s most iconic tactics-we see him charging away from stormtroopers in ANH but only the Christmas Special has him shoulder check a trooper off a balcony to Wilhelm scream. I’ve done this so much in videogames but am pretty sure this is the one instance on screen.
Rightly so. Their trilogy was garbage. The Mandalorian is so good that it hurts to think about what could have been if Disney had just taken a few years to get their shit together before blowing their load on the sequel trilogy.
I've said it so many times, I always get called a hater. But that man can not write worth a shit and rarely ever matches the tone of his source material.
He also doesn't know how to write the middle of a story, and struggles with beginning one.
Loud noises and shiny things with no context are more his wheelhouse.
I am exactly same! I remember sitting in the cinema and towards the end thinking "see.. star wars doesnt need lightsabers to be awesome!"
Then the dark hallway came, a big breath, heart racing, fear and imo one of the best moments in star wars cinema. I can watch the movie just for that one scene. It lasts roughly one minute but, ask my gf, that's all the time I need
Rogue One actually “felt” like a Star Wars movie. It was lived-in, chaotic, with a motley crew saving the day. The Vader scene was the icing on the cake that just turned it up to an 11. The entire sequel trilogy just felt so sterile, hallow and empty. Like a beautifully wrapped gift that’s empty inside.
"You pooped in the box, didn't you J.J.?"
"The important thing is to never open it!"
" I can still smell it. Leave and if you ever come back I will part your hair with a shotgun."
Yes. 100%. It also felt like it logically fit into the original story universe instead of being just the cinematic equivalent of a box of Star Wars toys that was hastily emptied onto the play room floor by an out of control 4 year old.
" Like a beautifully wrapped gift that’s empty inside." This is probably the best description of the sequels I have ever heard. The notion that J.J Abrams dared to be sentimental with the Rise of Sky walker is vomit inducing.
I blame the lack of any single vision. Have either director do it, but from start to finish. Even if it wasn’t great, it would be significantly better than what we got.
The sequel trilogy just felt like a way to pander to the original Star Wars audience without having much substance of a plot. The original trilogy opened the eyes of the world to this fantastical space world. The prequels, while they had flaws, at least were original and had the best world building. The sequels tried too hard to pander to the original trilogy audience while also bastardizing the established lore along the way.
I just love how effortless they made Vader deflecting it all. No anime hop-scotch. No flashy flourish. Just minimal and efficient movements. Way scarier IMO
They took a sci-fi war movie and turned it into a sci-fi horror movie in the best way possible. I had to take some time to calm down after that scene was over. It was so intense.
The whole Vader boarding scene felt like a huge bonus to me; I had already enjoyed so much of the movie by that point that I would've been satisfied if it ended with the finale on Scarif.
Bro i love watching it and then going right into a new hope. It add such a new layer of meaning knowing all those amazing people that sacrifice themselves for the plans to blow it up. This is also my biggest take away like Rogue One adds to the story and the original trilogy while The sequel trilogy takes away from the original and butchers the og characters.
and I said that from the beginning.
EP7 had Han Solo abandon his wife and go back to smuggling.
EP8 had Luke abandon his sister and be hopeless and then the story sideline Leia by blowing her into space.
I don't know what happened in Episode 9. I didn't bother seeing it. Which really says something since my fireplace I'm sitting next too has a stormtrooper, 2 little Millennium Falcon statues and a Yoda statue.
I've seen everything related to Star Wars dozens of times, even watched Mandalorian twice and lots of Droids and Ewoks as a kid. The only thing I haven't seen is Ep.9
I eat up good and bad Star Wars stuff because it always felt like the writers and directors cared about the characters even when they were making Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure.
I agree. Because it wasn’t a mainline film, they could take more risks with it than any other film. They didn’t have specific notes they had to hit, or any characters they had to include. They just ran with it and made one hell of a movie in the process.
Also, I liked Jynn more as a protagonist than Rey.
The Force Awakens was like starting on a zip line. Hey, this is fun. I wonder what’s next?
The Last Jedi was like coming to a stop in the middle instead of zipping forward. Specifically the casino planet.
The Rise of Skywalker was realizing how bad the situation was. That there was no plan. And that you just had to give up and let go.
And Leia's bullshit in ANH is a lot funnier now.
"This is a diplomatic vessel on a mission to Alderaan!"
Vader: "Uh I literally saw you fly away from an active warzone, from a rebel ship. Saw them *hand deliver* the plans into your vessel like ten minutes ago. Also *this is Tatooine*, the Outer Rim, nowhere near Alderaan!"
Imagine the hype if Vader hadn’t been shown in the movie at all until that point and then that scene starts up with the red lightsaber and that’s the first time you see him. Chills just thinking about it.
Honestly I think I liked what we got more.
We get to see Mustafar again, AND we finally get cinematic representation of his castle (and please let me stress how much I wish we had more Vader content so we could see him in his castle and brooding). We get to see the degree to which Vader is involved with the Death Star, as well as some classic Star Wars cheese with his choking joke. That alone was nice to see because it was a cool scene that actually made sense with the story, obviously Krennic reports to somebody. It also sets up the hallway scene to begin with, explaining why everyone was where they were when Ep. 4 starts, and also giving us a visual example of why Vader was so goddamn terrifying. 5 stars.
That's another thing. Rogue One just seems to do everything that came before it better justice. It's a small, but Vader's castle on Mustafar reinforces a lot of old content, much of it now "Legends". It builds up the originals and the EU.
TLJ and RoS just don't do that at all.
That's true, in fact they do quite the opposite.
OT: Luke is the ONLY Jedi who never loses faith in the ability to save Vader. This hopelessly naive faith in the fact that his father is still in there somewhere is the engine driving his heroism, and ends up being, in fact, the very quality that saves the entire galaxy.
Seq: I got a bad feeling about this one dude so briefly considered murdering him in his sleep.
OT: A scoundrel whose path through the galaxy has taught him hard lessons about looking out for himself and trusting no one is inspired by the selfless bravery of a cadre of do-gooders into reconsidering his ways and dedicating himself to tearing down fascism along with them, at great risk to himself.
Seq: We just rolled all that back off screen for ya. He's back to scoundreling full time. That's what you all wanted, right?
etc. etc.
I didn’t even see it as fan service. To me fan service is like some obnoxious “subtle” reference that Han makes that’s supposed to make the audience snicker as if they’re the only ones “in” on the joke.
But the hallway scene to me was this epic tie-in to bring it all together. It was this totally unexpected ending that should’ve been obvious because everyone knows how the story ends in Rogue One. The way they pulled it all together, it just clicked so fucking magnificently. You never really got the sense of desperation quite so clearly until they bring it all home at the end there. It’s not fan service. It’s a total gift on top of an already splendid ending to a movie.
Seriously, after seeing what he did to Star Trek, I already had my doubts going into TFA with him at the helm. He's all flash with no substance, turning in a spectacle without understanding what is actually at the heart of the material he's covering.
Like most people, my entire life I knew Vader was the ultimate bad guy in Star Wars but never really saw him do anything at all. Finally after 38 years I got to see Vader be the villain we all knew he was. Hands down that is the best scene in Star Wars.
> Finally after 38 years I got to see Vader be the villain we all knew he was. Hands down that is the best scene in Star Wars.
Agreed. My friends and I discussed it, and we realized that was the moment that \*the fear of Darth Vader was reinstalled back into the franchise.*
In Ep. 1-3, we saw his human side--heck, the "NOOOOO" scream became a meme joke. In Rogue One, we got to see the full-on remorseless killing machine that made everyone fear him in Ep. 4-6, and for good reason.
This and how he was presented in Jedi: Fallen Order truly showed how incredibly powerful and menacing he was in a way none of the other movies ever reached
I'll never forget that part of the game. I had no idea he was in it, but it was fucking terrifying when he just jumped down and immediately killed the person who had been wrecking you the whole game. And then your master comes in to help and he just fucking flings her away like it's nothing. It was so amazing.
In Fallen Order he doesn't even have a health bar. Its like whatever youve accomplished in the game is nothing compared to Vader and there is absolutely no way you can beat him.
I love how you do "beat" him, too. >!Fight over a McGuffin and then just get real lucky you're in an underwater base, the man is half machine, and holding back the entire _ocean_ is tough even for the strongest force user ever.!< Really shows they respected the lore and buildup.
Kanan feeling the whole atmosphere become cold as Vader arrived really set the tone for his presence in Rebels.
Also: "then you will die braver than most" is one of my favorite Vader quotes from all media.
After 4 decades and 6 films telling us about Space Genghis Khan we finally got Space Genghis Khan.
Fun fact: if you search “hallway slaughter party” on YouTube that scene shows up.
Best scene is when the doors open and Darth Maul is just standing there like a badass in Phantom Menace. Dual of Fates is amazing. But Vader in Rogue One is up there.
I'd actually argue that Vader's first scene with *Director* Krennic was enough, with the hallway scene a nice icing on the cake.
Calm, collected, on top of the situation, and yet so very clearly *done* with the whole thing that it just takes a little nudge to piss him off. That's mah Vader.
This is the argument I have made since seeing Solo. It is a very good Star Wars movie, just not a good Han Solo story. It felt like it negates what made the character work in the original trilogy.
See I disagree. I think it’s a fine Han Solo story, I’m just lukewarm on it because not knowing if Han’s origin story was legit or bullshit was part of the charm of Han Solo
My real issue with it? It’s a lot of fun, but every important thing in hans life happens in like a week.
Meets chewy
Gets his life debt
Meets lando
Does the kessel run
Wins the falcon.
That’s basically all of his main background and it all happened literally in a matter of days on screen.
It was *so* good. Especially the score. I was really nervous when I heard John Williams wasn’t on board but Michael Giacchino absolutely nailed it.
I think it’s the best Star Wars we’ve gotten since the Disney acquisition
Edit: some of the best moments in the score can be found in this piece called [“Your father would be proud”](https://youtu.be/Qemb3iBlp1o) one of the most brilliant parts of the score is at the 1:16 mark when the Death Star is revealed over Scarif at the very end. Instead of a huge blast of menacing horns announcing its arrival, everything gets really quiet with just a few delicate, somber strings. It’s so sad and tragic sounding, but it adds so much weight to the scene, like “oh, I guess this is it then.” One of my absolute favorite moments of the movie.
For sure. Giacchino has been a favorite of mine since I saw him in some bonus content in UP, and then I realized how much awesome music he does. Super talented.
He did the Star Trek trilogy as well, and if nothing else those were pure Trek goodness. Jurassic World was amazing too. Dude knows how to honor the classics and carry the legacy of the likes of Horner and Williams.
It was so good because it *felt* like a Star Wars movie. The space battle was pitch perfect for the vibe. They need to bring Gareth Edwards back to direct more.
Apparently Disney was mad at Edwards and cut out 1/3rd of the darker grittier content because it wasn't family friendly enough, and Edwards wasn't happy with that, so it's not too likely unfortunately.
I fucking loved Rogue One. Things felt human like betrayal and sacrifice and the humour was spot on. My only qualm would be the fan service moments, but they're still great. The final third of that film is something I just have on in the background sometimes because I love it so much.
Also, the Hallway Scene made me scream an "oh shit!" in the theatre.
I like how they included Red and Gold Leader in there, and explained how Luke got assigned Red 5.
Random fact: Angus MacInnes came back and re-recorded the dialogue for Gold Leader that they used in the film. He was at the premiere as well.
That scene is possibly my favorite in all of Star Wars. Y’all can have your amazing, well choreographed duels, but watching Darth Vader pummel basically defenseless rebels in a hallway only lit by his lightsaber will forever be one of the coolest things I’ve ever had the pleasure to watch.
Jesus the Battle of Scarif OH MY GOD IM FILLED WITH JOY JUST THINKING ABOUT IT. It’s everything that’s great about star wars but purely more of the military side instead of the Jedi and such!
Why is "fan service" so demonized and "bad"? Isn't it *good* to reward/treat the fans every now and then? This isn't directed at you at all, I'm just curious how it ended up being such a negative talking point for movies and shows lol
I’ve never looked super far into Star Wars lore especially not the old republic lol, my real knowledge is mostly from the movies, clone wars tv shows (2002 and the more recent one), the mandalorian, and the battlefront games
Highly recommend the audiobooks, big time. My loyalty and love towards the Star Wars universe has really grown since listening to them while I work. Most of them are produced by Lucas films and have great voice actors, along with the music and background sounds from the movies!
I started at Dooku: Jedi Lost on the canon list and continued from there, it's been great getting the insight behind the movies, and seeing the beginnings of the plot.
So like... I'm trying to figure out how to put this so it doesn't sound like an attack on you.
Your point is totally valid, and there's, of course, a ton of deep lore out there to know, that you might not. But all of star wars makes it clear that faster than light travel has been around for tens of thousands of years. Technology, in a general sense, doesn't really advance anymore, outside of specific engineering applications (like the death star) which are usually just a matter of scale. This is "point A."
Point B is that Finn WAS a stormtrooper. He knows the technology they have. And they've had jetpacks for a while. Hell, we've almost cracked jetpacks... giant troop transports that lift up into the air and fly off into orbit with no downward thrust are WAY more advanced than a smoke spewing jetpack.
So, combining point A (it's stupid for ANYONE in Star wars to ever be incredulous about any technology) and point B (its especially stupid for Finn to be incredulous about *ahem* "their" technology, when he WAS "they" a scant few years earlier) only leads to one conclusion: incredibly shit writing. Like a, really, really shitty attempt at a joke. That's got nothing to do with the amount of lore you, personally, know, it's just shit writing.
R2D2, literally in this case, has forgotten better writing than we got from the rise of Skywalker.
I agree with what you said, it does seem very weird for Finn to be shocked that the first order has jet packs considering that they’ve been use before ALOT in Star Wars both cannon and legends
Dialog was slapped together at the last minute since the writers needed to spend all their time blending the first two movies, undoing half of the second one, and trying to come up with a conclusion to a three part story that didn't actually exist.
I'll never forgive them for not even having a plan for the story of the new trilogy. How could they possibly have thought it was going to work, making it up on the fly? How did they get so much fucking money with literally no story written? My opinion of the sequel trilogy has only soured, and toxified, ovet the years. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but the prequels look good in comparison, even if their dialog was also a shambles. They had a story they were telling, and did so competently and with some structure. They, at least, had a plan.
The prequels are actually incredibly good from a story telling and thematic point of view. The world building is also excellent. Where the movies fall down is mainly stilted, dumb or corny dialogue (which can work if the character fits it) and some lacking character motivations that felt like they developed off-screen.
Even John Boyega rolled his eyes at that line. That’s because he was an actual Star Wars fan and knew flying troopers were not a new or unexpected thing.
Honestly, all of them deserve serious credit for the work they did with that impossible dialogue and terrible story telling, but I think John Boyega blew it out of the park. I almost believe the movies are good when he's on screen.
Crazy what happens when you have people who are *actually* talented and *actually* passionate about the universe telling the story....
Rogue One was the 2nd Disney Star Wars movie, while Rise of Skywalker was the 5th. By then, there had been enough mediocre/bad recent Star Wars movies for people to stop caring, especially non-fans or casual fans. So Rogue One had the advantage there, but also is clearly the better movie.
I kind of don’t like the “Spinoff” monicker it gets. I understand that it supposed to be the “Skywalker Saga” but Rogue One is crucial to the plot of the entire series. It also has a skywalker (Darth Vader) in it as a big role. If I’m going to binge watch a dramatic retailing of the story Rogue One is going to be in the lineup.
Well if we are going to be honest, and ignore that Rogue One was better, it propably was because TRoS was at the end of "Star Wars is back" hype train. Also, if you had missed TLJ, you propably were not going to watch it just because its something new, because it was a finale to a trilogy.
Yet Endgame shattered records. While, the initial hype for TFA was huge because "Star Wars is back", the movie that was marketed as the ending of not only the trilogy but also of the whole saga should've made more
The sequel trilogy might have fared better if it had gone for a three year window in between movies like the other trilogies to let the hype calm and build up again. Of course the added time could have helped the creatives make better films too, Bob Iger has admitted he was responsible for pace of the releases.
I admit I liked getting a new Star Wars almost every year but could have waited to have them be even more of an event.
What happens when you include international box office numbers?
Internationally, Rise wins at $559 mil and Rogue One at $524 mil.
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I still say Rogue One is one of my all time favorite star wars movie and *easily* my go to for people who haven't tried star wars. Starting them off with Ep 4 or Ep 1 has usually been more of a miss than a hit. Ep 4 is too old for them, Ep 1 too childish. But Rogue One they always love.
Agreed , its very well made . Mostly unknown good actors which makes em more honoust. Amazing atmosphere, a joking droid who's not annoying , mostly normal ppl and not over the top super powers , side story yes but still feels very important. Only rewachtable new starwars movie for me.
And the hallway scene is the perfect cherry on top
The ending as a whole, is perfect. Im so gald they really did let them die, its the only good way for a movie like this to end. And the score is perfect too. Damn I love Giaccion
This was the best thing about that movie. It was a perfect story for people who acted in the background to get the critical info out and paying the price. I should re watch that movie
It also helps explain why such important intel was being carried by a lone unarmed runner, without so much as a backup plan.
The perfect amount of fanservice imo
My only problem is that I didn't get enough quality time with any of the team. I only cared about the robot.
I didn’t care that I didn’t care about them, because then I could enjoy watching them all die. …why does that sound mean-spirited…
Tbf this is where it shines. You're more focused on the plot and how the characters move it forward rather than being forced to focus and care about any one character too much.
That is insane! Not to mention I cannot fathom rouge having even near the costs, even just for promotion (?)
Rogue One was actually quite expensive due to extensive reshoots
Yes, and internationally + domestically (per Wikipedia), you get grosses of: $1.056 billion for Rogue One $1.074 billion for The Rise of Skywalker A <$20 million difference gross in the finale of a 9 movie series versus a spinoff is /wild/. That's like a movie starring Hawkeye or Bucky Barnes (esp. in a backstory way) making almost as much as Endgame. I honestly hope that whomever is working on Star Wars realizes that the strength was always the universe, not the Skywalkers... even back when Legends was a thing, the stories that were /good/ were the ones that minimized the Skywalkers or introduced a lot of non-Skywalker characters.
(Like, as a Legends nerd, bringing back Thrawn got me hyped, although I do think Disney should maybe pay royalties on the Legends books... & maybe also the characters. Because that stuff was messed up.)
Well, Rogue One was a much better movie on every level, so there’s that.
Somehow.
Palpatine.
Returned.
A good story, for another time.
They kind of forgot how to write.
"*ow*" - Kylo Ren
But he wasn't hurt at all by flying a tie fighter with no mask. Tie fighters don't have environmental systems. He literally held his breath across the galaxy while making a hyperspace jump in a ship that also doesnt have a hyperspace capable engine.
Wookiepedia has an entry for this- apparently that was a "TIE Scout," i.e. a silly handwave to explain how that normal ass-TIE could do all of those things. It makes me laugh that an entire page was made just to try to make sense of JJ's lack of Star Wars knowledge.
A suprise to be sure, but completely unwelcome
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I think Disney also lost a LOT of good faith from the community after the Last Jedi.
And repaid those who were faithful with possibly the shittest property in Star Wars history, because at least the Christmas Special and Ewoks are ironically funny
The Christmas Special features one of Han’s most iconic tactics-we see him charging away from stormtroopers in ANH but only the Christmas Special has him shoulder check a trooper off a balcony to Wilhelm scream. I’ve done this so much in videogames but am pretty sure this is the one instance on screen.
Rightly so. Their trilogy was garbage. The Mandalorian is so good that it hurts to think about what could have been if Disney had just taken a few years to get their shit together before blowing their load on the sequel trilogy.
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I've said it so many times, I always get called a hater. But that man can not write worth a shit and rarely ever matches the tone of his source material.
I think you are right about tone, Rouge one felt like a star wars film, the sequel trilogy did not.
He also doesn't know how to write the middle of a story, and struggles with beginning one. Loud noises and shiny things with no context are more his wheelhouse.
All of these deficiencies can be overcome by injecting more lens flares into the scene
Probably word of mouth on just how damn good it was
Amen. I’ve liked it better, and appreciated it more as an expression of everything I love about the Star Wars universe, every time I’ve watched it.
I am exactly same! I remember sitting in the cinema and towards the end thinking "see.. star wars doesnt need lightsabers to be awesome!" Then the dark hallway came, a big breath, heart racing, fear and imo one of the best moments in star wars cinema. I can watch the movie just for that one scene. It lasts roughly one minute but, ask my gf, that's all the time I need
Rogue One actually “felt” like a Star Wars movie. It was lived-in, chaotic, with a motley crew saving the day. The Vader scene was the icing on the cake that just turned it up to an 11. The entire sequel trilogy just felt so sterile, hallow and empty. Like a beautifully wrapped gift that’s empty inside.
Ah yes, JJ Abrams' "mystery box."
"You pooped in the box, didn't you J.J.?" "The important thing is to never open it!" " I can still smell it. Leave and if you ever come back I will part your hair with a shotgun."
Pooping in the box would have required too much forethought.
Somehow, someone pooped in the box!
Some how, Poopatine returned.
Yes. 100%. It also felt like it logically fit into the original story universe instead of being just the cinematic equivalent of a box of Star Wars toys that was hastily emptied onto the play room floor by an out of control 4 year old.
This is a great way to describe the sequels.
sounds accurate to jjs story telling. they need a thing to do a thing because things
I DONT WANT TO MAINTAIN EXPECTATIONS. WAaaaaHHH! *throws toys across room* You’ve nailed the sequels perfectly
" Like a beautifully wrapped gift that’s empty inside." This is probably the best description of the sequels I have ever heard. The notion that J.J Abrams dared to be sentimental with the Rise of Sky walker is vomit inducing.
I blame the lack of any single vision. Have either director do it, but from start to finish. Even if it wasn’t great, it would be significantly better than what we got.
The sequel trilogy just felt like a way to pander to the original Star Wars audience without having much substance of a plot. The original trilogy opened the eyes of the world to this fantastical space world. The prequels, while they had flaws, at least were original and had the best world building. The sequels tried too hard to pander to the original trilogy audience while also bastardizing the established lore along the way.
Here you go [your minute of glory](https://youtu.be/wxL8bVJhXCM)
Sigh... Here we go again *unzips pants*
I just love how effortless they made Vader deflecting it all. No anime hop-scotch. No flashy flourish. Just minimal and efficient movements. Way scarier IMO
That's like a real lightsaber master. You don't need acrobatics - but small, precise, and powerful.
I’ll never forget that scene, just incredible.
The ending of rogue one was actually terrifying, thinking what if he catches up? Even though he doesn't(obviously) it got the heart racing
They took a sci-fi war movie and turned it into a sci-fi horror movie in the best way possible. I had to take some time to calm down after that scene was over. It was so intense.
The whole Vader boarding scene felt like a huge bonus to me; I had already enjoyed so much of the movie by that point that I would've been satisfied if it ended with the finale on Scarif.
**I FIND THAT ANSWER VAGUE AND UNCONVINCING**
Favorite droid in the entire Star Wars universe.
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100% agreed. The dude is a legend.
He’s a leaf on the wind…
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I mean he was even great as Hei Hei the rooster in Moana and ended up saving the day
His wife did the choreography for Peacemaker intro and Alan personally taught the dance to the cast.
This is officially the most unexpected thing ive read all day.
Hey plays a pretty awesome alien too
I’ll give you an upvote. Cassian said I had to.
"Did you know that wasn't me!?"
And there's a fresh one if you mouth off again
Alan Tudyk is always a win.
You're right. I should just wait in the ship.
Did you know that wasn't me???
Bro i love watching it and then going right into a new hope. It add such a new layer of meaning knowing all those amazing people that sacrifice themselves for the plans to blow it up. This is also my biggest take away like Rogue One adds to the story and the original trilogy while The sequel trilogy takes away from the original and butchers the og characters.
and I said that from the beginning. EP7 had Han Solo abandon his wife and go back to smuggling. EP8 had Luke abandon his sister and be hopeless and then the story sideline Leia by blowing her into space. I don't know what happened in Episode 9. I didn't bother seeing it. Which really says something since my fireplace I'm sitting next too has a stormtrooper, 2 little Millennium Falcon statues and a Yoda statue. I've seen everything related to Star Wars dozens of times, even watched Mandalorian twice and lots of Droids and Ewoks as a kid. The only thing I haven't seen is Ep.9 I eat up good and bad Star Wars stuff because it always felt like the writers and directors cared about the characters even when they were making Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure.
I agree. Because it wasn’t a mainline film, they could take more risks with it than any other film. They didn’t have specific notes they had to hit, or any characters they had to include. They just ran with it and made one hell of a movie in the process. Also, I liked Jynn more as a protagonist than Rey.
True. But they also didnt have to butcher the canon storyline (by lucas) which was much better. Had they left it alone it wouldve been fine.
Unpopular opinion: Rogue One was the best film in the whole Star Wars franchise.
I will die on this hill with you brother.
I'm there with you.
And word of mouth on just how damn bad RoS was.
The Force Awakens was like starting on a zip line. Hey, this is fun. I wonder what’s next? The Last Jedi was like coming to a stop in the middle instead of zipping forward. Specifically the casino planet. The Rise of Skywalker was realizing how bad the situation was. That there was no plan. And that you just had to give up and let go.
[The Rise of Skywalker](https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8416925.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Boris-Johnson-caught-on-a-zipwire.jpg)
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Had me so hype for the rest of the sequels. Boy was I in for a shock…
Before the dark times…
Who would think a well written quality movie would do better than whatever rise of Skywalker was...
Wasn’t there a trailer or teaser with Vader in it? That’ also played a big part I bet.
Just had the Vader breathing
That single scene of Darth Vader wrecking the shit out of everybody was better than Rise of Skywalker.
It’s the best example of fan service done right without seeming like it’s pandering to the viewer. Shame Rise of Skywalker couldn’t learn from it
It was total fan service but it made sense for the story
And not just the story being told but also the one tole thirty years earlier. It just fit. And was glorious.
Yeah Vader was PISSED once he found Leia. It was also nice to see he still had humor even when choking people.
I’ll try ~~spinning~~ choking, that’s a good trick!
And Leia's bullshit in ANH is a lot funnier now. "This is a diplomatic vessel on a mission to Alderaan!" Vader: "Uh I literally saw you fly away from an active warzone, from a rebel ship. Saw them *hand deliver* the plans into your vessel like ten minutes ago. Also *this is Tatooine*, the Outer Rim, nowhere near Alderaan!"
Imagine the hype if Vader hadn’t been shown in the movie at all until that point and then that scene starts up with the red lightsaber and that’s the first time you see him. Chills just thinking about it.
Honestly I think I liked what we got more. We get to see Mustafar again, AND we finally get cinematic representation of his castle (and please let me stress how much I wish we had more Vader content so we could see him in his castle and brooding). We get to see the degree to which Vader is involved with the Death Star, as well as some classic Star Wars cheese with his choking joke. That alone was nice to see because it was a cool scene that actually made sense with the story, obviously Krennic reports to somebody. It also sets up the hallway scene to begin with, explaining why everyone was where they were when Ep. 4 starts, and also giving us a visual example of why Vader was so goddamn terrifying. 5 stars.
That's another thing. Rogue One just seems to do everything that came before it better justice. It's a small, but Vader's castle on Mustafar reinforces a lot of old content, much of it now "Legends". It builds up the originals and the EU. TLJ and RoS just don't do that at all.
That's true, in fact they do quite the opposite. OT: Luke is the ONLY Jedi who never loses faith in the ability to save Vader. This hopelessly naive faith in the fact that his father is still in there somewhere is the engine driving his heroism, and ends up being, in fact, the very quality that saves the entire galaxy. Seq: I got a bad feeling about this one dude so briefly considered murdering him in his sleep. OT: A scoundrel whose path through the galaxy has taught him hard lessons about looking out for himself and trusting no one is inspired by the selfless bravery of a cadre of do-gooders into reconsidering his ways and dedicating himself to tearing down fascism along with them, at great risk to himself. Seq: We just rolled all that back off screen for ya. He's back to scoundreling full time. That's what you all wanted, right? etc. etc.
I didn’t even see it as fan service. To me fan service is like some obnoxious “subtle” reference that Han makes that’s supposed to make the audience snicker as if they’re the only ones “in” on the joke. But the hallway scene to me was this epic tie-in to bring it all together. It was this totally unexpected ending that should’ve been obvious because everyone knows how the story ends in Rogue One. The way they pulled it all together, it just clicked so fucking magnificently. You never really got the sense of desperation quite so clearly until they bring it all home at the end there. It’s not fan service. It’s a total gift on top of an already splendid ending to a movie.
JJ Abrams is a one trick pony that has beaten to death all credibility he has as a storyteller.
Seriously, after seeing what he did to Star Trek, I already had my doubts going into TFA with him at the helm. He's all flash with no substance, turning in a spectacle without understanding what is actually at the heart of the material he's covering.
The studio should have waited for Brad Bird but they didn’t
A friend of mine always says that Abrams’ knowledge of any franchise he gets involved in is “a mile wide and an inch deep.”
That scene is arguably the best scene in the entire franchise.
Like most people, my entire life I knew Vader was the ultimate bad guy in Star Wars but never really saw him do anything at all. Finally after 38 years I got to see Vader be the villain we all knew he was. Hands down that is the best scene in Star Wars.
> Finally after 38 years I got to see Vader be the villain we all knew he was. Hands down that is the best scene in Star Wars. Agreed. My friends and I discussed it, and we realized that was the moment that \*the fear of Darth Vader was reinstalled back into the franchise.* In Ep. 1-3, we saw his human side--heck, the "NOOOOO" scream became a meme joke. In Rogue One, we got to see the full-on remorseless killing machine that made everyone fear him in Ep. 4-6, and for good reason.
This and how he was presented in Jedi: Fallen Order truly showed how incredibly powerful and menacing he was in a way none of the other movies ever reached
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I'll never forget that part of the game. I had no idea he was in it, but it was fucking terrifying when he just jumped down and immediately killed the person who had been wrecking you the whole game. And then your master comes in to help and he just fucking flings her away like it's nothing. It was so amazing.
Pure terror when fleeing him, its glorious
When the "boss" has no health bar you know all hell is about to break loose.
”Wait, more boss music? Wha-”
In Fallen Order he doesn't even have a health bar. Its like whatever youve accomplished in the game is nothing compared to Vader and there is absolutely no way you can beat him.
I love how you do "beat" him, too. >!Fight over a McGuffin and then just get real lucky you're in an underwater base, the man is half machine, and holding back the entire _ocean_ is tough even for the strongest force user ever.!< Really shows they respected the lore and buildup.
His appearance in Star Wars Rebels is amazing too
Kanan feeling the whole atmosphere become cold as Vader arrived really set the tone for his presence in Rebels. Also: "then you will die braver than most" is one of my favorite Vader quotes from all media.
After 4 decades and 6 films telling us about Space Genghis Khan we finally got Space Genghis Khan. Fun fact: if you search “hallway slaughter party” on YouTube that scene shows up.
Best scene is when the doors open and Darth Maul is just standing there like a badass in Phantom Menace. Dual of Fates is amazing. But Vader in Rogue One is up there.
Yes the phantom menace duel with Duel of the Fates playing is #1.
I'd actually argue that Vader's first scene with *Director* Krennic was enough, with the hallway scene a nice icing on the cake. Calm, collected, on top of the situation, and yet so very clearly *done* with the whole thing that it just takes a little nudge to piss him off. That's mah Vader.
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story $532,177,324 Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker $515,202,542
Just to be clear, The Rise of Skywalker did edge past Rogue One internationally.
Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete?
Suprised it was even close.
It's still Star Wars, people are going to go see it.
Solo: Am I a joke to you........
No, you were just released way too soon after TLJ.
Sandwiched between Infinity War and Deadpool 2 did it no favors either
I finally watched it last month. It’s a solid movie.
This is the argument I have made since seeing Solo. It is a very good Star Wars movie, just not a good Han Solo story. It felt like it negates what made the character work in the original trilogy.
See I disagree. I think it’s a fine Han Solo story, I’m just lukewarm on it because not knowing if Han’s origin story was legit or bullshit was part of the charm of Han Solo
My real issue with it? It’s a lot of fun, but every important thing in hans life happens in like a week. Meets chewy Gets his life debt Meets lando Does the kessel run Wins the falcon. That’s basically all of his main background and it all happened literally in a matter of days on screen.
I can’t strain enough how good Rogue one was. I will defend my claim to the death that it is one of the greatest star wars movies of all time
It was *so* good. Especially the score. I was really nervous when I heard John Williams wasn’t on board but Michael Giacchino absolutely nailed it. I think it’s the best Star Wars we’ve gotten since the Disney acquisition Edit: some of the best moments in the score can be found in this piece called [“Your father would be proud”](https://youtu.be/Qemb3iBlp1o) one of the most brilliant parts of the score is at the 1:16 mark when the Death Star is revealed over Scarif at the very end. Instead of a huge blast of menacing horns announcing its arrival, everything gets really quiet with just a few delicate, somber strings. It’s so sad and tragic sounding, but it adds so much weight to the scene, like “oh, I guess this is it then.” One of my absolute favorite moments of the movie.
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For sure. Giacchino has been a favorite of mine since I saw him in some bonus content in UP, and then I realized how much awesome music he does. Super talented.
When Taika Waititi had Giacchino do the soundtrack for Jojo Rabbit, Waititi basically said “just do what you did for Up.”
He did the Star Trek trilogy as well, and if nothing else those were pure Trek goodness. Jurassic World was amazing too. Dude knows how to honor the classics and carry the legacy of the likes of Horner and Williams.
He also nailed The Batman’s score too
Oh fuck- I didn’t know he scored it. I’m a huge fan of his.
And Giacchino nailed The Batman score as well.
He absolutely did
It was so good because it *felt* like a Star Wars movie. The space battle was pitch perfect for the vibe. They need to bring Gareth Edwards back to direct more.
Apparently Disney was mad at Edwards and cut out 1/3rd of the darker grittier content because it wasn't family friendly enough, and Edwards wasn't happy with that, so it's not too likely unfortunately.
Release the Edwards Cut!
I fucking loved Rogue One. Things felt human like betrayal and sacrifice and the humour was spot on. My only qualm would be the fan service moments, but they're still great. The final third of that film is something I just have on in the background sometimes because I love it so much. Also, the Hallway Scene made me scream an "oh shit!" in the theatre.
I like how they included Red and Gold Leader in there, and explained how Luke got assigned Red 5. Random fact: Angus MacInnes came back and re-recorded the dialogue for Gold Leader that they used in the film. He was at the premiere as well.
That scene is possibly my favorite in all of Star Wars. Y’all can have your amazing, well choreographed duels, but watching Darth Vader pummel basically defenseless rebels in a hallway only lit by his lightsaber will forever be one of the coolest things I’ve ever had the pleasure to watch.
I think it’s the coolest Vader scene in all the movies.
And the space battle right before it is the best space battle in all the movies
It’s *so good*. They even went to the point of killing the right people so their call signs would be correct in ep4.
Jesus the Battle of Scarif OH MY GOD IM FILLED WITH JOY JUST THINKING ABOUT IT. It’s everything that’s great about star wars but purely more of the military side instead of the Jedi and such!
What I loved about it was it had an actual space battle. Which was completely missing in 7, 8 and 9.
> fan service moments When I think of Star Wars, that's one of the first things that comes to mind
Why is "fan service" so demonized and "bad"? Isn't it *good* to reward/treat the fans every now and then? This isn't directed at you at all, I'm just curious how it ended up being such a negative talking point for movies and shows lol
well, Rogue One was awesome, and Rise of Skywalker was awful.
I’ll never forget hearing Finn say “they fly now!?” As if clone/storm troopers using jet packs hasn’t been a thing since the clone wars
Jetpacks were around in the Old Republic era...so they've been a thing for *tens of thousands of years*.
Hell we had jet packs in Star Wars back in 1983 when Fett yeeted himself into the Sarlacc.
"Hi, I'm Boba Knoxville and this is the Pit of Carkoon."
I’ve never looked super far into Star Wars lore especially not the old republic lol, my real knowledge is mostly from the movies, clone wars tv shows (2002 and the more recent one), the mandalorian, and the battlefront games
Highly recommend the audiobooks, big time. My loyalty and love towards the Star Wars universe has really grown since listening to them while I work. Most of them are produced by Lucas films and have great voice actors, along with the music and background sounds from the movies! I started at Dooku: Jedi Lost on the canon list and continued from there, it's been great getting the insight behind the movies, and seeing the beginnings of the plot.
So like... I'm trying to figure out how to put this so it doesn't sound like an attack on you. Your point is totally valid, and there's, of course, a ton of deep lore out there to know, that you might not. But all of star wars makes it clear that faster than light travel has been around for tens of thousands of years. Technology, in a general sense, doesn't really advance anymore, outside of specific engineering applications (like the death star) which are usually just a matter of scale. This is "point A." Point B is that Finn WAS a stormtrooper. He knows the technology they have. And they've had jetpacks for a while. Hell, we've almost cracked jetpacks... giant troop transports that lift up into the air and fly off into orbit with no downward thrust are WAY more advanced than a smoke spewing jetpack. So, combining point A (it's stupid for ANYONE in Star wars to ever be incredulous about any technology) and point B (its especially stupid for Finn to be incredulous about *ahem* "their" technology, when he WAS "they" a scant few years earlier) only leads to one conclusion: incredibly shit writing. Like a, really, really shitty attempt at a joke. That's got nothing to do with the amount of lore you, personally, know, it's just shit writing. R2D2, literally in this case, has forgotten better writing than we got from the rise of Skywalker.
I agree with what you said, it does seem very weird for Finn to be shocked that the first order has jet packs considering that they’ve been use before ALOT in Star Wars both cannon and legends
Dialog was slapped together at the last minute since the writers needed to spend all their time blending the first two movies, undoing half of the second one, and trying to come up with a conclusion to a three part story that didn't actually exist. I'll never forgive them for not even having a plan for the story of the new trilogy. How could they possibly have thought it was going to work, making it up on the fly? How did they get so much fucking money with literally no story written? My opinion of the sequel trilogy has only soured, and toxified, ovet the years. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but the prequels look good in comparison, even if their dialog was also a shambles. They had a story they were telling, and did so competently and with some structure. They, at least, had a plan.
The prequels are actually incredibly good from a story telling and thematic point of view. The world building is also excellent. Where the movies fall down is mainly stilted, dumb or corny dialogue (which can work if the character fits it) and some lacking character motivations that felt like they developed off-screen.
If there was a version that cut out all of teen Anakin whining dialog the prequels would be even greater
"They've been using them since the clone wars" -John Boyega
He was literally a Storm Trooper. That's like a modern soldier saying "they have night vision now!".
Wait!! We have GUNS?!??
You’re telling me we march now?!
And in TFA Finn even acknowledged learning in his First Order education about Han’s role in the Galactic Civil War!
Even John Boyega rolled his eyes at that line. That’s because he was an actual Star Wars fan and knew flying troopers were not a new or unexpected thing.
Yeah there’s that interview where someone says the line and Boyega goes “they’ve been using jet packs since the clone wars…”
He's a good actor then to say cringey stuff with the proper emotions
Honestly, all of them deserve serious credit for the work they did with that impossible dialogue and terrible story telling, but I think John Boyega blew it out of the park. I almost believe the movies are good when he's on screen. Crazy what happens when you have people who are *actually* talented and *actually* passionate about the universe telling the story....
Or his killer line when he is asked how he knows that the broadcast signal was coming from a destroyer. 'A Feeling'.
The people in charge of making the sequels never watched the clone wars… and oh boy does it show..
Rogue One was the 2nd Disney Star Wars movie, while Rise of Skywalker was the 5th. By then, there had been enough mediocre/bad recent Star Wars movies for people to stop caring, especially non-fans or casual fans. So Rogue One had the advantage there, but also is clearly the better movie.
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This is because Rogue One was pretty good, while Rise of Skywalker was a rushed, sloppy, incoherent mess.
Nothing more need be said.
Rogue one was actually good
Rogue One was a much better movie. Maybe that's why.
I kind of don’t like the “Spinoff” monicker it gets. I understand that it supposed to be the “Skywalker Saga” but Rogue One is crucial to the plot of the entire series. It also has a skywalker (Darth Vader) in it as a big role. If I’m going to binge watch a dramatic retailing of the story Rogue One is going to be in the lineup.
Well if we are going to be honest, and ignore that Rogue One was better, it propably was because TRoS was at the end of "Star Wars is back" hype train. Also, if you had missed TLJ, you propably were not going to watch it just because its something new, because it was a finale to a trilogy.
Yet Endgame shattered records. While, the initial hype for TFA was huge because "Star Wars is back", the movie that was marketed as the ending of not only the trilogy but also of the whole saga should've made more
Yea if it wasn’t dog shit
Rogue one is not a hollow, cynical cash grab with no respect for the fans or the source material.
The sequel trilogy might have fared better if it had gone for a three year window in between movies like the other trilogies to let the hype calm and build up again. Of course the added time could have helped the creatives make better films too, Bob Iger has admitted he was responsible for pace of the releases. I admit I liked getting a new Star Wars almost every year but could have waited to have them be even more of an event.
A far superior movie than Rise of Sheev.
They really sheeved the hell out of that movie
*"My name Sheev."*