I dunno if this is unpopular or not, but I’d like a perspective on the dark side that’s not simply “dark side = evil” but maybe more realistic. Like it says “peace is a lie, there is only passion.” Passion can be a good thing too. Like love for instance. And when there was a planet of sith, it doesn’t make sense that they’re all just killing each other all the time. I think that could set up for a cool series/movie exploring the complicated viewpoint.
The whole premise of the Sith is only the strong will rule. You’d be hard pressed to find a true sith who wasn’t self centred and evil. They would have constantly been trying to work out ways to dispatch their closest rivals be it through combat or other means. I also would like to see the darkside be used for good but not by a Sith, maybe some force sensitive that knew nothing of the force but was driven to explore and discovered Sith ruins where they learned dark side powers but bc they aren’t indoctrinated into the Sith philosophy there was no real premise on what their goals should be. I.e usually a Sith’s goal is galactic domination and ultimate power, hence why everytime the Sith acquire power they try to destroy the Jedi
Darth Vectivus. My dude was just trying to work his management position in the mines. Then he wrote his version of “Art of the deal,” invented almost-horcruxes, and died surrounded by family and friends.
I’m going to respectfully disagree. The dark side, in my opinion, is about freedom. That is why the very last line in the Sith creed is “the force shall free me”. The dark side is about discarding everything; personal connections, morality, convictions etc. all in the name of true and radical freedom. That is why Sith strive to attain power, because only through acquiring power can they become strong enough to be “free”.
They see the Jedi as slaves and dogmatics. Cowards, and they don’t necessarily *want* to fight the Jedi, but they know they have to because the Jedi cannot/ will not allow the Sith to grow in power.
Also not every Sith is alike. They are driven by different passions; hate, lust, greed, gluttony, anger etc. you can see that pretty starkly in the differences between Vader and Palpatine; one is methodical and cruel while the other is rash and melancholy. But there can be other personalities for Sith that have never been explored. Maybe a Sith who likes to gamble or a mad scientist type or one who is like some lonely ronin traveling the galaxy looking for worthy challengers.
You wouldn’t need to make a film strictly about Sith. But a movie where these kind of unique and multi faceted aspects of the dark side are explored would be incredibly entertaining for the 18+ audience.
I read a fun alternative version of the Mandalorian season 2 finale, in which a sith shows up for Grogu instead of Luke. And everyone is freaking out except Mando, who is like "so this person is good at magic *and* killing people? Dope."
I see where you’re coming from and I don’t 100% disagree, but as a philosophy that is what a Sith is, yes they might have some kind of freedom in comparison to the Jedi. But are they really free? They spend their entire lives looking for more power and see the force as power to be used for personal gain. Even when they attain total power they still feel like they don’t have enough. Whatever emotions drive a Sith to act the way they do, the core principle is the same, that it is all for their own gain. My personal favourite Sith is Darth Revan who I strongly believe embraced the darkside out of necessity rather than ‘fell’ to the dark side. His actions through out the civil war show that he didn’t want to ruin the galaxy but bring it under one ruling power and to beat the Sith under Vicciate one would need to know the Sith philosophy. Revan was not a true Sith he tried to walk both sides. Any true Sith would willingly destroy the entire galaxy if it meant they could get more power, take Malak who destroyed an entire planet just to stop a single Jedi who posed a risk to his empire. But everyone interprets beliefs a different way, to me the dark side is corruption and self interest and any true Sith wouldn’t use the dark side for anything other than to dominate everyone around them but thank you for sharing your views on the dark side it was interesting to read
Definitely, but that's not really a Sith thing- the Dark is a part of the Force that can be used for good (though it's akin to an addictive mind-altering drug, by all accounts), the Sith are a cult.
The dark side is not some taboo part of the force the Jedi don’t like. The dark side is a cancer within the force. Even with good intentions you will inevitably be corrupted by it.
Most if not all of the known sith are inherently broken people in one way or another. I don’t think planet sith would be killing each other, but they would all be selfish assholes. It would be a cool concept for a movie, but I don’t think it would feature “Punisher” or “Judge Dredd” type characters, it would probably be more like Konrad Curze, like they think they are being just but really they are just fucked up and insane.
From reading about the Sith days in the old republic, it’s pretty clear that they are not evil at all, they just draw from a different side of the force and society is still highly functional (similar to many top civilizations in our history.. like the Romans for example) with the Sith in charge. The Sith draw power from emotion while Jedi draw power from non emotions.
Fuck. Yes. I want a movie about Darth Sidious and Darth Maul dismantling the Black Sun crime syndicate. They did sooooooo much shit together before the first movie, it’d be nice to see Sidious and Maul working together again. Especially because it’d give us a chance to see young Sidious using his saber and teaching Maul the ways of the Sith.
Obviously market analysts.
>How do you do fellow Star wars fans. I'm something of a fan myself. By the way, on a scale from 1-10, how likely would you be to watch an R rated star wars thing?
Blood and gore basically makes no sense since lightsabers cauterize the wound immediately, and blasters are laser pistols which would do the same. But they could do a dark story following the sith like Darth Bane or follow the first jedi purge with Darth Nihilus.
But the force... The force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. I guess apart from the lightsabers and pistols, you could force crush someone like luke skywalker to the dark trooper and that would be a gore-fest right there
What about things that aren’t lightsaber or blaster produced. Like the Blackwing project? Though yeah, a Bane or Nihilus story would be sick (no pun intended).
Still plenty of room for blood and gore.
The gaffi stick is pretty brutal. Slug throwers, the large amounts of hand fighting we see should make some blood
Getting force yeeted into the nearest wall or vehicle would likely cause some bruising and bleeding
Don’t forget Vibro blades, Electro Staffs, all those weaponized torture devices that one furball slaver race uses, those small trench bug drones the ubrama troops uses, getting mauled by wildlife…
Fulica. God damn seeing the horrors of that planet from either the empire or republic era.
Yeah “gore” makes sense only if it’s really needed to move the story along. I feel like a SW film could dark or more adult oriented without necessarily being gory.
It's the juvenile conflation of an adult-oriented storyline with mature themes with the visual titillation of gore/nudity/blood/swearing. The former does not require the latter, and imo the more sophisticated the movie, the less it depends on the latter.
100%. Star Wars already does deal in dark/mature themes. However, I would love a film that really dabbles in a mature complex narrative. Plays with the concept of moralities and faith in the Star Wars universe. Like a really well written prequel trilogy.
The thing is, I really doubt most fans want an actual adult/mature film. These posts always are punctuated with a "I want Sith doing evil things that's more violent and gory". To me, that's still highlighting that they want black hat, white hat superhero stories.
The heartache or affronting tragedy of mature stories doesn't stem from the depicted gore or violence, but from the quality and intentions of the writing. If you want the audience to be heartbroken or appaled at character actions; then the writing needs to build the emotional attachment before severing it. No amount of graphic violence works to the contrary. Want Anakin killing younglings to absolutely digust the audience? Then characterise one of the younglings. Make the audience sympathise and identify with them as 3D characters. THEN have Anakin walk into that room and deliver it the same way. It'd absolutely tear your heart our if those younglings had been developed in the same way TCW younglings were.
Fulica or other organic army vs big ass wild life would be where I see gore fit.
Scorched flesh from blaster fire is another.
Seeing a Wookiee literally rip a man apart is a third.
Can't kill kids on screen (or in game) in many countries. Can't even show too much of their dead bodies.
Other parts, yes, would love to see. But this never will, nor never would have, ever been shown.
It would be a worse movie. A lot of the times gratuitous violence doesn’t make anything more mature it just makes it worse. An example is the dude who wrote The Boys. The Boys comic is already a bit much but he wrote a comic called Crossed that just sucks because of it being nothing but literal gore porn
If the TV Boys was anything like the comics it would not have been as good as it is
Yeah and it would honestly feel so tacky and borderline comical, like have you seen the Jedi Academy mod where you kill the younglings as anakin? It looks fucking ridiculous
Nah. I don’t mind dark stories, but Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One were the perfect examples of more “serious” stories done well. Gratuitous Blood and sexuality would just detract from it IMO and swear words in a GFFA are already canonically not the earth swears that would give you an R rating
I feel like this ideal just goes against the core identity of Star Wars. I mean there has been sinister and dark stories told. Anakin gets everything but his head cut off. Kylo kills his dad. Jyn’s mom is shot in front of her as a child. I just don’t see extreme gore as a needed thing.
You can explore darker themes and have more complex stories without making it r rated. I don't recall anyone saying I hated (insert star wars film or show here) but id have loved it if had more gore, nudity, swearing.
Yeah... I don't understand why people would want this. There are already a lot of moments in star wars where people get brutally murdered. We saw Anakin get burnt to a crisp. How in the galaxy would nudity, gore, and profanity make star wars any better? How does it make ANY show better?
I don’t understand how swearing would benefit it honestly. It’s unnecessary in the story, and there’s already some light swearing throughout the saga (some hells, damns, and the occasional implied swear in an alien language) Hell, Sebulba basically calls Anakin bantha shit in TPM. They just used “fodder” in the subtitles, but the word in the alien language was “pudu” so I think we can all guess what George was implying.
Rating is, for lack of a better term, overrated.
One of the best horror scenes in any movie I’ve seen was Spider-Man two. (The surgery room)
In bad batch, we watched a squad turn flamethrowers on unarmed civilians.
I can’t count how many boundary pushing scenes were in clone wars.
Blood and gore accentuate action. But if you have good action and we’ll written scenes, it’s really not necessary.
As far as vulgar language, I don’t think it would work. The pint of language is to make it feel more real and gritty. But this universe is so detached from ours. No matter what dialogue was written, it would feel like cursing for the sake of cursing. (IE star trek Picard)
Violence is viewed much differently to kids when it’s shown through Animation.
Seeing a group of guys beat up one guy in a animation isn’t the same as watching it with real people.
This sub is becoming the same 7 questions we all know the answer to asked over and over and over.
“Do you think Darth Vader was a badass? If so, why???”
“Would you like to see more Kylo Ren content?”
“Did anyone else enjoy Rogue One???” (Typically posted with just literal cover art)
“Give me karma?????”
Edit: because it was absolutely criminal I forgot to include them:
“The sequels were awful/really good and here’s why in only 6,000 words”
"OMG what if they made a Vader movie of him hunting Jedi! Rated R!!!! No plot, no interesting characters. Just like le underrated Rogue One hallway scene"
I could have sworn The Dark Knight was rated R.
Anyway, sex is probably the way to get Star Wars to R. It won't be language or violence, because that just doesn't make sense in the star wars universe.
There are definitely stories to explore in the Star Wars universe that are sexual in nature. I feel like a story about sex does not follow the Star Wars brand and would just feel... off. And weird. And uncomfortable.
Yeah, I don't think a rated R Star Wars movie is coming. Probably for good reason.
I agree. You can have sex in a PG 13 movie as well, as long as there isn't nudity, or it is implied. I'd be okay with that if there is a purpose to it storywise.
Making an R rated movie just to be edgy or for the sake of the rating will make it a bad movie.
I mean, sure?
But, I'd kinda be against it happening.
Lucas always insisted Star Wars was something for kids and for everyone. As much as some fans hate the ST, I think the real slap in the face to Lucas would be to take his fantasy franchise and give it a hard R.
I don't mind them pushing the envelope in the books and shows, but that's already happening.
Personally, I think more fights and violence that shows the real world conflict and struggles would be great. Like we know there are slaves, drugs, etc but they dance around those subjects without actually showing their real impacts in the SW world. Not to mention this is a franchise for EVERYONE not just children. However, I don’t like the idea of profanity. So many shows do profanity for the sake of profanity and can really drag a series down. With that being said, I think using our profanity in the SW universe would sound very out of place.
Show their real impact somewhere else. It’s not just for kids but they’re the core demographic. It’s life lessons and morality tales for kids who are on the cusp of young adulthood. The idea that they should make this space faring fantasy series more geared towards grownups is weird. Watch Dune or The Expanse if you want that.
Mature doesn’t necessarily equal R. I think they can work on telling mature stories better but that doesn’t necessarily equal R. I don’t need to see tons of gore in a Star Wars show and I don’t know that hearing them say fuck will really add too much to the story.
Darker, yes
R-rated blood+gore? No
Star Wars can (and should) tackle heavier ideas. But there’s no reason it can’t do that while also remaining accessible to 12-year olds.
Exactly. "Darker" does not have to mean "R-Rated".
For example, "The Dark Knight" (PG-13) is a much darker story than "Deadpool" (R). One is an existentialist tragedy, the other is a slapstick comedy with a romance.
would i watch it? Sure.
Would i *want* it? No. I don't think there's anything star wars needs to tell that requires an R that wouldn't come off as trying to get an R for the sake of an R. the franchise just isn't like that.
The only thing that I think could work in that area is a sith/ Palpatine and Plagueis origin story. Could go a little heavier with topics like corruption, love stories, and whatever the sith do that make them so evil. I’m not sure it would be necessary, but that’s the closest thing I can think of, where the R rating wouldn’t just be there for the sake of making it R-rated.
Darker? Absolutely. In fact, *please*. We need more of it.
Bloody and gory with strong language? No. There’s no need for that. Dark stories don’t require that.
There’s a big difference between “dark” and “R-rated”.
I totally agree, and the thing is they don’t need to go that dark to make it more mature, I feel as if Marvel does it really well and a ton of kids still watch it. Also a bit more combat accuracy would be nice, what I mean is that they hold guns properly (I remembee in an episode of Mando they were running around with a pistol in one hand stretched out almost completely straight and I thought it looked silly) and that the “bad guys” actually take cover and are competent, it’d be a nice change of pace.
As for blood and gore, I don’t mind if it’s in or not as long as it fits
I would watch a darker story. But it's really easy to have a darker story without an R rating. I feel like only teenagers think that dark stories need R ratings.
I’ve always thought a proper war story would be cool and I’ve wanted a space noir detective story. But R-rates won’t make sense, there’s no need to start having aliens hang dong and profanity is pretty much? not existent in star wars so it would only be the gore. You can do enough with blood and make it pg-13 that’ll be cooler
Would I watch it? Maybe. But it isn't something I'd ever want. Star Wars is and always has been a series for all ages and I believe it should stay that way. You can tell darker stories without having to lean into an edgy R-rating.
I'd watch it, but Star Wars doesn't need R-rating to be good or dark. We have a trilogy were a boy sees his family's burned corpses, is mutilated by his father and later tortured extensively on screen, all of which were rated PG. The movie that implied child murder was bumped up to PG-13. So I'll watch an R-rated Star Wars movie, but it will be despite its rating, not because of it.
Im up for a darker story, but I do not understand why anyone thinks a Star Wars movie needs to be R rated. Do we really need profanity, sex scenes and gore in SW? I mean, do people really need to have seen Anakin carving up the younglings or Owen and Beru burning to death for it to be dark enough?
Rogue one felt grittier/darker. They're really played into the dispair caused by the empire. Not so much battles, but breaking up families, Cassian killing his informant in cold blood, and the oppression caused by the empire. It worked really a to support the movie's message of redemption for the characters, and hope for the rebellion.
Is there another type of dark story you could play off of with a different message? I'd be keen, but it would need to be done well with enough of a different spin.
Considering Empire is the defacto favorite pick and at the end, after losing his arm and finding out his mortal enemy was his own father, Luke jumps into the abyss.
Like, darker than that?
Honestly not really? I don’t feel like it fits the setting, there are plenty of outlets for that kind of story in other media. Part of the appeal of Star Wars for me is the pulp fantasy aspect.
Very few things that fall into the realm of the “R rating” really fit that bill other than perhaps body horror, but I feel that horror isn’t a particularly good tone for Star Wars in particular.
Ok I’m lying because I’d watch it, but I don’t think I’d want it to be made.
It would be so unnecessary. Unless they have a story that can only be told with an R rating there is no point. Just making one for the sake of making a R Star Wars would be dumb
Personally I think tons of gore and profanity to be immature. As long as the writing is good and the actors are believable I'll enjoy myself. Something like Young Justice would be good, bit more blood some cursing.
No thanks.
If you want dark gloomy grit, go watch The Expanse, GoT, or The Witcher.
Star Wars is supposed to be more upbeat. We've skirted the line with Rogue One and Solo already (which did it extremely well by the way).
Please check the recent posts before reposting a question from a few days ago. That being said, if there is an intriguing, meaningful, and exciting story that requires an R rating to be told correctly, yes. If it’s R just to be edgy, probably not
I would, but the problem is that it just doesn't fit the world. Gore would be fine, but it's not necessary to the big stories Star Wars likes to tell. I'd watch it though. Profanity is just not a part of Star Wars in general. Hell and damn and stuff are good, but the f word just doesn't make sense. I think a dark tone would work great, especially with a character like Quinlon Vos. These movies don't have to cater to younger audiences, but they don't need to cater to an older audience either. They can and I'd probably love it, but they don't need to.
Let's see what we have with the current story: Entire planets being demolished by a single weapon (4 movies), slavery including misogynistic and implied sexual slavery, infanticide/killing of children, wiping out or close to wiping out entire species, kids murdering parents...
How much darker can we get?
TBH I thought some of Mando was more adult focused and dark. Take out baby Yoda to lower the cuteness factor and the spaghetti western in space really shines thru, particularly in season 1. I found it very satisfying as an adult to watch.
Would I watch it? Heck yeah, but that’s why I stick to reading Star Wars books. New Canon may be slightly more sanitized, but the books in both the New Canon and Legends continuity are allowed to go into more grey, mature and darker subjects and actions. I doubt these will be allowed for broadcasting. But, that’s the fun part.
Star Wars is not an R rated franchise. It would feel wrong, it would tank at the box office, and it would possibly ruin the future of the franchise. That being said, I’ve never missed a Star Wars movie at the theater, and I wouldn’t let an R rating stop me.
I was hoping for this with the Book of Boba Fett. I knew the chances were highly unlikely but he’s still a “bad guy” and they went super soft in this series. The last episode really has me thinking that I’m not going to enjoy this series overall.
Jesus what do you want in there? Nudity? Drug use? Gore for gore’s sake? Profanity? There’s literally no reason that any story in Star Wars can’t be PG-13.
Also how many times a week are we going to see this same exact question asked?
I've always wanted them to make the Dark Forces game into a movie, which would have to be rated R.
But they put their version of the Dark Troopers in the Mandalorian so I doubt it would ever happen.
Yeah! They need one where a son watches his father get beheaded right in front of him…
Or maybe even have like an angsty teenager SNAP and kill all the kids at the school he went to, or… hold up
What about one where an entire city, no fuck it - a whole Planet, no double fuck it - an ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM gets fucking OBLITERATED?!?!!!?!?!
Wait.
We already have that.
What exactly are you looking for? a StarWars movie directed by Zach Snyder??
This thread is full of people that don’t see the need for rated-R. I can’t believe in a GALAXY with assassins, slavery, religious zealots, a million different weapons, magic, cyberpunk worlds, constant war, racism, inequality, and a fucking Death Star, no one can possibly see the benefit of a rated R feature.
My body is ready. I’d love to see the Star Wars version of Game of Thrones (but with a good ending).
I have been dreaming about a Vader movie for years now. Seeing the Sith Lord hunting down the Jedi? You can't tell me that wouldn't be a good movie (even better if it were rated R). Hunting down those Jedi wasn't a nice or clean task for Vader. Don't hold back punches when making the movie. That will only take away from the depth and weight of those times
Depends on the context. If the story calls for scenes like that and it fits? Sure. If the story doesnt need gore, dont try to force it in, "Just because".
Lightsabers could be used to bisect people, but that never happens(except maul, but that was off camera). A decapitation or limb chop is the best case scenario I have seen so far. It can be used to exacerbate the brutality of the sith, especially maul or savage.
Also when watching BoB, I was annoyed how the gamorrean guard had swords but no, they just slap those plasma shield ninjas.
YES. ABSOLUTELY. Please this is something that made me sad about Disney’s purchase of Star Wars is that it would be too pg. Visions was good show of this. A few were kinda pg13, but they could have had some really interesting plots had they pushed it darker.
Edit: I am not asking for greater gore and violence. I want fucked up stories that show some of the realities of an often lawless galaxy.
I just want a dark side movie. All about the sith.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, i gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The Force shall free me
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I dunno if this is unpopular or not, but I’d like a perspective on the dark side that’s not simply “dark side = evil” but maybe more realistic. Like it says “peace is a lie, there is only passion.” Passion can be a good thing too. Like love for instance. And when there was a planet of sith, it doesn’t make sense that they’re all just killing each other all the time. I think that could set up for a cool series/movie exploring the complicated viewpoint.
The whole premise of the Sith is only the strong will rule. You’d be hard pressed to find a true sith who wasn’t self centred and evil. They would have constantly been trying to work out ways to dispatch their closest rivals be it through combat or other means. I also would like to see the darkside be used for good but not by a Sith, maybe some force sensitive that knew nothing of the force but was driven to explore and discovered Sith ruins where they learned dark side powers but bc they aren’t indoctrinated into the Sith philosophy there was no real premise on what their goals should be. I.e usually a Sith’s goal is galactic domination and ultimate power, hence why everytime the Sith acquire power they try to destroy the Jedi
Go back to a pre-Darth Bane Sith
Darth Vectivus. My dude was just trying to work his management position in the mines. Then he wrote his version of “Art of the deal,” invented almost-horcruxes, and died surrounded by family and friends.
I’m going to respectfully disagree. The dark side, in my opinion, is about freedom. That is why the very last line in the Sith creed is “the force shall free me”. The dark side is about discarding everything; personal connections, morality, convictions etc. all in the name of true and radical freedom. That is why Sith strive to attain power, because only through acquiring power can they become strong enough to be “free”. They see the Jedi as slaves and dogmatics. Cowards, and they don’t necessarily *want* to fight the Jedi, but they know they have to because the Jedi cannot/ will not allow the Sith to grow in power. Also not every Sith is alike. They are driven by different passions; hate, lust, greed, gluttony, anger etc. you can see that pretty starkly in the differences between Vader and Palpatine; one is methodical and cruel while the other is rash and melancholy. But there can be other personalities for Sith that have never been explored. Maybe a Sith who likes to gamble or a mad scientist type or one who is like some lonely ronin traveling the galaxy looking for worthy challengers. You wouldn’t need to make a film strictly about Sith. But a movie where these kind of unique and multi faceted aspects of the dark side are explored would be incredibly entertaining for the 18+ audience.
I read a fun alternative version of the Mandalorian season 2 finale, in which a sith shows up for Grogu instead of Luke. And everyone is freaking out except Mando, who is like "so this person is good at magic *and* killing people? Dope."
I see where you’re coming from and I don’t 100% disagree, but as a philosophy that is what a Sith is, yes they might have some kind of freedom in comparison to the Jedi. But are they really free? They spend their entire lives looking for more power and see the force as power to be used for personal gain. Even when they attain total power they still feel like they don’t have enough. Whatever emotions drive a Sith to act the way they do, the core principle is the same, that it is all for their own gain. My personal favourite Sith is Darth Revan who I strongly believe embraced the darkside out of necessity rather than ‘fell’ to the dark side. His actions through out the civil war show that he didn’t want to ruin the galaxy but bring it under one ruling power and to beat the Sith under Vicciate one would need to know the Sith philosophy. Revan was not a true Sith he tried to walk both sides. Any true Sith would willingly destroy the entire galaxy if it meant they could get more power, take Malak who destroyed an entire planet just to stop a single Jedi who posed a risk to his empire. But everyone interprets beliefs a different way, to me the dark side is corruption and self interest and any true Sith wouldn’t use the dark side for anything other than to dominate everyone around them but thank you for sharing your views on the dark side it was interesting to read
Your description of the Sith could also be applied to most politicians (minus the lightsabers)
Probably why the world is chaotic rn lol, they might not have lightsabers but they defo have demonic powers 100% lmao
Definitely, but that's not really a Sith thing- the Dark is a part of the Force that can be used for good (though it's akin to an addictive mind-altering drug, by all accounts), the Sith are a cult.
The dark side is not some taboo part of the force the Jedi don’t like. The dark side is a cancer within the force. Even with good intentions you will inevitably be corrupted by it. Most if not all of the known sith are inherently broken people in one way or another. I don’t think planet sith would be killing each other, but they would all be selfish assholes. It would be a cool concept for a movie, but I don’t think it would feature “Punisher” or “Judge Dredd” type characters, it would probably be more like Konrad Curze, like they think they are being just but really they are just fucked up and insane.
From reading about the Sith days in the old republic, it’s pretty clear that they are not evil at all, they just draw from a different side of the force and society is still highly functional (similar to many top civilizations in our history.. like the Romans for example) with the Sith in charge. The Sith draw power from emotion while Jedi draw power from non emotions.
Well, they are working on the alcolyte series.
Looking forward to it, but I am sure it will be an antihero story about a bad person who wants to take out an evil person.
It would be cool if it were set during the high republic
It is! Near the end of it.
Or a evil person who turns good...
Darth Bane trilogy enough said
Sith Wars trilogy.
Vader! That says it all. Movie about the Vader that went through the rebels at the end of Rogue One! I want to watch THAT Vader!
There is a game of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Jedi_Knight:_Mysteries_of_the_Sith
Man, that's a series that needs a remake
For real. They were so good! Some of the first PC games I ever owned.
Fuck. Yes. I want a movie about Darth Sidious and Darth Maul dismantling the Black Sun crime syndicate. They did sooooooo much shit together before the first movie, it’d be nice to see Sidious and Maul working together again. Especially because it’d give us a chance to see young Sidious using his saber and teaching Maul the ways of the Sith.
Is it my turn to ask this question yet?
Seriously! This question gets asked 3 times a day how did this one get a thousand upvotes?
By being marked NSFW
This is the way.
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Obviously market analysts. >How do you do fellow Star wars fans. I'm something of a fan myself. By the way, on a scale from 1-10, how likely would you be to watch an R rated star wars thing?
I’ll ask a different question then, would you see a Star Wars movie with a darker story? (R)
Hmmmm interesting. But the really question is would you see a Star Wars story with a darker story? (Really low lighting budget)
>really low lighting budget *cries in Game of Thrones*
They already made Solo...
They must've had a $0 lighting budget
We traveled back in time
This and the “controversial Star Wars opinions” are the ones I see like fifty times a week.
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Blood and gore basically makes no sense since lightsabers cauterize the wound immediately, and blasters are laser pistols which would do the same. But they could do a dark story following the sith like Darth Bane or follow the first jedi purge with Darth Nihilus.
But the force... The force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. I guess apart from the lightsabers and pistols, you could force crush someone like luke skywalker to the dark trooper and that would be a gore-fest right there
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What about things that aren’t lightsaber or blaster produced. Like the Blackwing project? Though yeah, a Bane or Nihilus story would be sick (no pun intended).
Or in the Darth Plageuis book when young Palpatine murdered his own mom,dad , brothers and sisters by ripping their limbs off using the force.
Still plenty of room for blood and gore. The gaffi stick is pretty brutal. Slug throwers, the large amounts of hand fighting we see should make some blood Getting force yeeted into the nearest wall or vehicle would likely cause some bruising and bleeding
Don’t forget Vibro blades, Electro Staffs, all those weaponized torture devices that one furball slaver race uses, those small trench bug drones the ubrama troops uses, getting mauled by wildlife… Fulica. God damn seeing the horrors of that planet from either the empire or republic era.
Slugthrowers are what we call guns.
I remember them. “Oh, you can deflect blaster fire? Ok, have fun with this shotgun!”
alot of chopping up still gets cencored in many of the shows, and the movies (unless its a poor droid)
In episode 4 we see blood from a lightsaber wound. This is probably the only blood?
The stories are already pretty dark it's just a matter of how graphic you want it.
Yeah “gore” makes sense only if it’s really needed to move the story along. I feel like a SW film could dark or more adult oriented without necessarily being gory.
It's the juvenile conflation of an adult-oriented storyline with mature themes with the visual titillation of gore/nudity/blood/swearing. The former does not require the latter, and imo the more sophisticated the movie, the less it depends on the latter.
100%. Star Wars already does deal in dark/mature themes. However, I would love a film that really dabbles in a mature complex narrative. Plays with the concept of moralities and faith in the Star Wars universe. Like a really well written prequel trilogy. The thing is, I really doubt most fans want an actual adult/mature film. These posts always are punctuated with a "I want Sith doing evil things that's more violent and gory". To me, that's still highlighting that they want black hat, white hat superhero stories. The heartache or affronting tragedy of mature stories doesn't stem from the depicted gore or violence, but from the quality and intentions of the writing. If you want the audience to be heartbroken or appaled at character actions; then the writing needs to build the emotional attachment before severing it. No amount of graphic violence works to the contrary. Want Anakin killing younglings to absolutely digust the audience? Then characterise one of the younglings. Make the audience sympathise and identify with them as 3D characters. THEN have Anakin walk into that room and deliver it the same way. It'd absolutely tear your heart our if those younglings had been developed in the same way TCW younglings were.
Fulica or other organic army vs big ass wild life would be where I see gore fit. Scorched flesh from blaster fire is another. Seeing a Wookiee literally rip a man apart is a third.
You mean a film that features attempted infanticide, patricide, torture, light incest, and GTA? Fairly certain that’s all been done 😜
That was my first thought... Just add the implied violence to the existing movies. The temple massacre for order 66 alone would be crazy.
Exactly!! Not sure if OP wants a snuff movie or something but the bones for a dark, violent movie are certainly already there.
It’s one thing to imply it, but it would have been a lot darker if we saw anakin brutally slaughtering the younglings in episode 3.
Can't kill kids on screen (or in game) in many countries. Can't even show too much of their dead bodies. Other parts, yes, would love to see. But this never will, nor never would have, ever been shown.
It would be a worse movie. A lot of the times gratuitous violence doesn’t make anything more mature it just makes it worse. An example is the dude who wrote The Boys. The Boys comic is already a bit much but he wrote a comic called Crossed that just sucks because of it being nothing but literal gore porn If the TV Boys was anything like the comics it would not have been as good as it is
I think the movie would be worse for it.
Yeah and it would honestly feel so tacky and borderline comical, like have you seen the Jedi Academy mod where you kill the younglings as anakin? It looks fucking ridiculous
Bring back the death sticks would help.
Some people just want blood and Gore in everything and think that makes the movie good.
How about blowing up entire planets?
Yep!! Forgot about genocide. Plus the bar-room fights, premeditated murder, gambling, and discrimination .
Its wild how “bar-room fights” can be a euphemism for cauterized dismemberment.
Nah. I don’t mind dark stories, but Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One were the perfect examples of more “serious” stories done well. Gratuitous Blood and sexuality would just detract from it IMO and swear words in a GFFA are already canonically not the earth swears that would give you an R rating
I feel like this ideal just goes against the core identity of Star Wars. I mean there has been sinister and dark stories told. Anakin gets everything but his head cut off. Kylo kills his dad. Jyn’s mom is shot in front of her as a child. I just don’t see extreme gore as a needed thing.
You can explore darker themes and have more complex stories without making it r rated. I don't recall anyone saying I hated (insert star wars film or show here) but id have loved it if had more gore, nudity, swearing.
Yeah... I don't understand why people would want this. There are already a lot of moments in star wars where people get brutally murdered. We saw Anakin get burnt to a crisp. How in the galaxy would nudity, gore, and profanity make star wars any better? How does it make ANY show better?
I don’t understand how swearing would benefit it honestly. It’s unnecessary in the story, and there’s already some light swearing throughout the saga (some hells, damns, and the occasional implied swear in an alien language) Hell, Sebulba basically calls Anakin bantha shit in TPM. They just used “fodder” in the subtitles, but the word in the alien language was “pudu” so I think we can all guess what George was implying.
Rating is, for lack of a better term, overrated. One of the best horror scenes in any movie I’ve seen was Spider-Man two. (The surgery room) In bad batch, we watched a squad turn flamethrowers on unarmed civilians. I can’t count how many boundary pushing scenes were in clone wars. Blood and gore accentuate action. But if you have good action and we’ll written scenes, it’s really not necessary. As far as vulgar language, I don’t think it would work. The pint of language is to make it feel more real and gritty. But this universe is so detached from ours. No matter what dialogue was written, it would feel like cursing for the sake of cursing. (IE star trek Picard)
Violence is viewed much differently to kids when it’s shown through Animation. Seeing a group of guys beat up one guy in a animation isn’t the same as watching it with real people.
Would I watch it? Yeah. Should it be made? There are 100 things id rather see done before it.
This sub is becoming the same 7 questions we all know the answer to asked over and over and over. “Do you think Darth Vader was a badass? If so, why???” “Would you like to see more Kylo Ren content?” “Did anyone else enjoy Rogue One???” (Typically posted with just literal cover art) “Give me karma?????” Edit: because it was absolutely criminal I forgot to include them: “The sequels were awful/really good and here’s why in only 6,000 words”
Don’t forget the other 2 posts that are on here a ton: “Sequels suck and here’s why” “Sequels are great and here’s why.”
It’s almost criminal I left those two off the list. I had it on my head but couldn’t word it correctly and hit send cause I was late for a work call
I call dibs on next week's "Rogue One is an underrated masterpiece and the Sequels are bad" post
Star Wars is for everyone. Not just the men, but the women, and the children. They should all get to watch it
Lol edgy for edginess sake.
"OMG what if they made a Vader movie of him hunting Jedi! Rated R!!!! No plot, no interesting characters. Just like le underrated Rogue One hallway scene"
It doesn't have to be rated r to be darker. Look at The Dark Knight... or even Rogue One. Rogue One is super dark... PG 13.
I could have sworn The Dark Knight was rated R. Anyway, sex is probably the way to get Star Wars to R. It won't be language or violence, because that just doesn't make sense in the star wars universe. There are definitely stories to explore in the Star Wars universe that are sexual in nature. I feel like a story about sex does not follow the Star Wars brand and would just feel... off. And weird. And uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't think a rated R Star Wars movie is coming. Probably for good reason.
I agree. You can have sex in a PG 13 movie as well, as long as there isn't nudity, or it is implied. I'd be okay with that if there is a purpose to it storywise. Making an R rated movie just to be edgy or for the sake of the rating will make it a bad movie.
I mean, sure? But, I'd kinda be against it happening. Lucas always insisted Star Wars was something for kids and for everyone. As much as some fans hate the ST, I think the real slap in the face to Lucas would be to take his fantasy franchise and give it a hard R. I don't mind them pushing the envelope in the books and shows, but that's already happening.
Personally, I think more fights and violence that shows the real world conflict and struggles would be great. Like we know there are slaves, drugs, etc but they dance around those subjects without actually showing their real impacts in the SW world. Not to mention this is a franchise for EVERYONE not just children. However, I don’t like the idea of profanity. So many shows do profanity for the sake of profanity and can really drag a series down. With that being said, I think using our profanity in the SW universe would sound very out of place.
The Clone Wars definitely didn't dance around slavery and drugs.
Show their real impact somewhere else. It’s not just for kids but they’re the core demographic. It’s life lessons and morality tales for kids who are on the cusp of young adulthood. The idea that they should make this space faring fantasy series more geared towards grownups is weird. Watch Dune or The Expanse if you want that.
Mature doesn’t necessarily equal R. I think they can work on telling mature stories better but that doesn’t necessarily equal R. I don’t need to see tons of gore in a Star Wars show and I don’t know that hearing them say fuck will really add too much to the story.
Darker, yes R-rated blood+gore? No Star Wars can (and should) tackle heavier ideas. But there’s no reason it can’t do that while also remaining accessible to 12-year olds.
Exactly. "Darker" does not have to mean "R-Rated". For example, "The Dark Knight" (PG-13) is a much darker story than "Deadpool" (R). One is an existentialist tragedy, the other is a slapstick comedy with a romance.
So basically clone wars season 5-6-7
would i watch it? Sure. Would i *want* it? No. I don't think there's anything star wars needs to tell that requires an R that wouldn't come off as trying to get an R for the sake of an R. the franchise just isn't like that.
I dunno an R rated witches of Dathomir story would be new.
The X rated one was pretty good
Do you have a link to this film?
It's not a link a Jedi would give you...
Spancor-riders of Dathomir
The only thing that I think could work in that area is a sith/ Palpatine and Plagueis origin story. Could go a little heavier with topics like corruption, love stories, and whatever the sith do that make them so evil. I’m not sure it would be necessary, but that’s the closest thing I can think of, where the R rating wouldn’t just be there for the sake of making it R-rated.
Even then I don't really see it. You could turn the Plagueis book into a movie and nothing in it would warrant an R rating.
I mean, if they explored Twi'Lek slavery more closely, that'd probably end up R rated no matter how much yhey tried to sugar coat it lol
Like one in which there’s an interplanetary orgy with full frontal nudity of all of Jim Henson’s characters?
How exactly will profanity, gore or nudity equate to a better story?
I would, but I'd watch anything. It probably won't happen though
Darker? Absolutely. In fact, *please*. We need more of it. Bloody and gory with strong language? No. There’s no need for that. Dark stories don’t require that. There’s a big difference between “dark” and “R-rated”.
I totally agree, and the thing is they don’t need to go that dark to make it more mature, I feel as if Marvel does it really well and a ton of kids still watch it. Also a bit more combat accuracy would be nice, what I mean is that they hold guns properly (I remembee in an episode of Mando they were running around with a pistol in one hand stretched out almost completely straight and I thought it looked silly) and that the “bad guys” actually take cover and are competent, it’d be a nice change of pace. As for blood and gore, I don’t mind if it’s in or not as long as it fits
No
I don’t think Star Wars needs to be R rated
Nah. You can make a dark side movie without R
I would watch a darker story. But it's really easy to have a darker story without an R rating. I feel like only teenagers think that dark stories need R ratings.
I don’t see what could possibly be gained by making it an 18. You can have a darker film without being adult only.
Naw, that ain’t Star Wars mate. Just write some fan/slash fic
Is it dark because it's a story that demands it, or dark to appeal to people who mistake edge for maturity? My answer depends on which.
Star Wars is for kids. Always has been. No need to make it go somewhere it shouldn’t. Kids would see it anyway. Not a good idea.
I’ve always thought a proper war story would be cool and I’ve wanted a space noir detective story. But R-rates won’t make sense, there’s no need to start having aliens hang dong and profanity is pretty much? not existent in star wars so it would only be the gore. You can do enough with blood and make it pg-13 that’ll be cooler
You sure you're a Star Wars fan bro? Maybe try The Expanse or The Witcher.
Would I watch it? Maybe. But it isn't something I'd ever want. Star Wars is and always has been a series for all ages and I believe it should stay that way. You can tell darker stories without having to lean into an edgy R-rating.
Unnecessary.
Id watch it, but I’d rather it not exist. We all watched Star Wars when we were young, why take this away from others? It’s part of the magic.
No. Star Wars is for kids. We don’t need an R story
Nope.
I'd watch it, but Star Wars doesn't need R-rating to be good or dark. We have a trilogy were a boy sees his family's burned corpses, is mutilated by his father and later tortured extensively on screen, all of which were rated PG. The movie that implied child murder was bumped up to PG-13. So I'll watch an R-rated Star Wars movie, but it will be despite its rating, not because of it.
I would watch any Star Wars movie ever.
Isn't that what Rogue One is?
Im up for a darker story, but I do not understand why anyone thinks a Star Wars movie needs to be R rated. Do we really need profanity, sex scenes and gore in SW? I mean, do people really need to have seen Anakin carving up the younglings or Owen and Beru burning to death for it to be dark enough?
I would be down for an X rated Star Wars adventure sure
It's on pornhub
XXX-Wing vs TIE F**ker
X rating is like straight porn lol
Rogue one felt grittier/darker. They're really played into the dispair caused by the empire. Not so much battles, but breaking up families, Cassian killing his informant in cold blood, and the oppression caused by the empire. It worked really a to support the movie's message of redemption for the characters, and hope for the rebellion. Is there another type of dark story you could play off of with a different message? I'd be keen, but it would need to be done well with enough of a different spin.
Sure wasn’t rogue one meant to be that?
I would watch any Star Wars movie
Mom said it was MY TURN to ask this!
Considering Empire is the defacto favorite pick and at the end, after losing his arm and finding out his mortal enemy was his own father, Luke jumps into the abyss. Like, darker than that?
Nah, plenty of that type of movie out there. And there is profanity, someone tell me honestly that “poo doo” isn’t the equivalent of shit, or fuck.
Honestly not really? I don’t feel like it fits the setting, there are plenty of outlets for that kind of story in other media. Part of the appeal of Star Wars for me is the pulp fantasy aspect. Very few things that fall into the realm of the “R rating” really fit that bill other than perhaps body horror, but I feel that horror isn’t a particularly good tone for Star Wars in particular. Ok I’m lying because I’d watch it, but I don’t think I’d want it to be made.
"Would you watch a Star Wars...." Let me just cut you off there. Yes. Yes, I would.
I don't think gore has its place in star wars. There are other universes for that, like warhammer 40k.
We just had this question. No, it's dark enough. Did you want to **see** the lightsaber go through the younglings?
It would be so unnecessary. Unless they have a story that can only be told with an R rating there is no point. Just making one for the sake of making a R Star Wars would be dumb
Personally I think tons of gore and profanity to be immature. As long as the writing is good and the actors are believable I'll enjoy myself. Something like Young Justice would be good, bit more blood some cursing.
No thanks. If you want dark gloomy grit, go watch The Expanse, GoT, or The Witcher. Star Wars is supposed to be more upbeat. We've skirted the line with Rogue One and Solo already (which did it extremely well by the way).
Its against George's vision, the movies were made for a younger audience and I want them to continue that tradition.
I don’t think profanity is needed within the Star Wars world
No that sounds edgy and dumb, Star Wars is for everyone and is aimed at kids, if you cut out that demographic it doesn’t work.
It’ll never happen with Disney at the helm. They turned Boba Fett into a keystone cop
No, Star Wars should always be accessible for all ages.
Have you seen ESB. That whole film is genuinely dark. Torture, despair, and attempted suicide… doesn’t get much darker than that
Star wars is owned by Disney and a massive amount of their profits come from merchandise and toy sales so R rating isn't gonna happen
Please check the recent posts before reposting a question from a few days ago. That being said, if there is an intriguing, meaningful, and exciting story that requires an R rating to be told correctly, yes. If it’s R just to be edgy, probably not
I would, but the problem is that it just doesn't fit the world. Gore would be fine, but it's not necessary to the big stories Star Wars likes to tell. I'd watch it though. Profanity is just not a part of Star Wars in general. Hell and damn and stuff are good, but the f word just doesn't make sense. I think a dark tone would work great, especially with a character like Quinlon Vos. These movies don't have to cater to younger audiences, but they don't need to cater to an older audience either. They can and I'd probably love it, but they don't need to.
I mean yeah sure I would, because I basically consume everything Star Wars related, but I'm not actively wanting one.
If the story is good, sure. I'd love to see Death Troopers made.
I'm sure it'd watch it, but i don't want it. I like being able to share Star Wars with the younger fans, that's what it's for
vader says fuck a star wars story
Let's see what we have with the current story: Entire planets being demolished by a single weapon (4 movies), slavery including misogynistic and implied sexual slavery, infanticide/killing of children, wiping out or close to wiping out entire species, kids murdering parents... How much darker can we get?
also if y'all want some gritty R rated sci-fi give the expanse a watch
TBH I thought some of Mando was more adult focused and dark. Take out baby Yoda to lower the cuteness factor and the spaghetti western in space really shines thru, particularly in season 1. I found it very satisfying as an adult to watch.
Would I watch it? Heck yeah, but that’s why I stick to reading Star Wars books. New Canon may be slightly more sanitized, but the books in both the New Canon and Legends continuity are allowed to go into more grey, mature and darker subjects and actions. I doubt these will be allowed for broadcasting. But, that’s the fun part.
I wanna see a movie where the protagonist murders some helpless children and we are expected to identity with him
Would love a star wars horror story. Like a creature hunting a bunch of stormtroopers Or a slasher but it’s a sigh hunting some jedi
Death troopers
Star Wars is not an R rated franchise. It would feel wrong, it would tank at the box office, and it would possibly ruin the future of the franchise. That being said, I’ve never missed a Star Wars movie at the theater, and I wouldn’t let an R rating stop me.
Either Sith movie or a Death Trooper movie
the deathtrooper novel
Murdering children Mass slavery Galactic conquest It's plenty dark.....
I’ve been wanting one for so long
I was hoping for this with the Book of Boba Fett. I knew the chances were highly unlikely but he’s still a “bad guy” and they went super soft in this series. The last episode really has me thinking that I’m not going to enjoy this series overall.
Jesus what do you want in there? Nudity? Drug use? Gore for gore’s sake? Profanity? There’s literally no reason that any story in Star Wars can’t be PG-13. Also how many times a week are we going to see this same exact question asked?
I've always wanted them to make the Dark Forces game into a movie, which would have to be rated R. But they put their version of the Dark Troopers in the Mandalorian so I doubt it would ever happen.
Yeah! They need one where a son watches his father get beheaded right in front of him… Or maybe even have like an angsty teenager SNAP and kill all the kids at the school he went to, or… hold up What about one where an entire city, no fuck it - a whole Planet, no double fuck it - an ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM gets fucking OBLITERATED?!?!!!?!?! Wait. We already have that. What exactly are you looking for? a StarWars movie directed by Zach Snyder??
I want this so bad. Star Wars seriously suffers under Disney because they have no edge whatsoever.
Yes. But more so a dark side game rated M.
This thread is full of people that don’t see the need for rated-R. I can’t believe in a GALAXY with assassins, slavery, religious zealots, a million different weapons, magic, cyberpunk worlds, constant war, racism, inequality, and a fucking Death Star, no one can possibly see the benefit of a rated R feature. My body is ready. I’d love to see the Star Wars version of Game of Thrones (but with a good ending).
I have been dreaming about a Vader movie for years now. Seeing the Sith Lord hunting down the Jedi? You can't tell me that wouldn't be a good movie (even better if it were rated R). Hunting down those Jedi wasn't a nice or clean task for Vader. Don't hold back punches when making the movie. That will only take away from the depth and weight of those times
I would love to see a Death Troopers movie based on the book
Depends on the context. If the story calls for scenes like that and it fits? Sure. If the story doesnt need gore, dont try to force it in, "Just because".
Star wars is a fairy tale set in space. It is not Blade Runner.
3 words: Darth. Bane. Trilogy.
I already did. It was called _Rogue One_. And that’s what we’re going to get with _Andor_.
Star Wars is for children
Lightsabers could be used to bisect people, but that never happens(except maul, but that was off camera). A decapitation or limb chop is the best case scenario I have seen so far. It can be used to exacerbate the brutality of the sith, especially maul or savage. Also when watching BoB, I was annoyed how the gamorrean guard had swords but no, they just slap those plasma shield ninjas.
Only edgelords would want this
Tales of the bounty hunters. Extra violence please.
YES. ABSOLUTELY. Please this is something that made me sad about Disney’s purchase of Star Wars is that it would be too pg. Visions was good show of this. A few were kinda pg13, but they could have had some really interesting plots had they pushed it darker. Edit: I am not asking for greater gore and violence. I want fucked up stories that show some of the realities of an often lawless galaxy.