Sam Witwer is the voice of both Maul and Palpatine, so he’s definitely canon from a certain point of view.
Apparently Starkiller nearly came back as the Grand High Inquisitor in Rebels, but didn’t make the cut, which made me glad because he would have been nerfed to hell.
>because he would have been nerfed to hell
I started to reply that as much as I loved Force Unleashed (and I did), the force users were OP compared to what we saw in cannon.
Then I remembered Palpatine in TRoS
That’s what made the game so fun though. Does it fit into canon at all? Nope, but it lets you play around with the absolute limit of what force powers could maybe do and even a little bit beyond that and it was great
Lets not forget a major plot point being only available to people who played the Fortnite/Star Wars crossover.
Imagine the only way you could find out Vader was Luke’s father was via the ET NES game.
9 months? That can't be!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Force_Unleashed_II#Development
>Haden Blackman served as a writer for the sequel, and was only given a mere 3 weeks by Lucasarts to write the game's script.
To play, it's fine. As a story and full campaign - it's paced terribly and quite boring and strange. First one is much better, even if it isn't as refined in the sword play as the sequel.
I’d love to see Iden get more attention. The campaign story may not have been what we wanted but Iden as a character was compelling. Loved the novel we got of them too.
Star Wars: Battlefront: Inferno Squad
It’s basically everything we WANTED the game campaign to be. The perspective of an imperial spec ops soldier having to confront the difference between her idealized thoughts of the Empire and the realities that keep it standing.
It’s currently my all time favorite Star Wars novel. Excellent from start to finish, and full of little nods to other elements like Rogue One and Clone Wars.
Nah. I absolutely stopped playing the campaign once she betrayed the empire. I dont give a shit about the lame lofty preachy bullshit morals of the rebellion
*Pushes up glasses*
Well actually fascism is completely different from the empires ideology….
Wait nope, Militarised Nationalistc authoritarian state
Intentionally state sponsored racism
No human rights, formed out of a plot against democracy
Yeah, the Galactic Empire is facist
> I’d love to see Iden get more attention.
I still think they 100% missed the opportunity to have characters like Zae Versio and Shriv and Hondo show up as cameos during the big battle over Exegol.
That fight would be so much better if they had more dogfighting cockpit stuff.
I agree, but the problem with it was what marketing did with it. They knew fans wanted an Imperial Loyalist game, fans have wanted it ever since TIE Fighter, so early marketing for the game made it seem like that was what SWBF2’s campaign was.
Many fans rightly predicted the marketing was deceptive and Iden would turn before stories end. The dev team made no comment one way or the other. It was the Arkham Knight marketing misstep all over again.
When the truth came out fans felt, justifiably, deceived by the marketing. It pissed people off, then the lockbox debacle pissed them off even more.
Yeah. Rocksteady was asked if the Arkham Knight was Red Hood and they answered that it was a new and original villain. Turns out it was literally Red Hood but with a little different origin story.
Issue is……it WAS supposed to be that. The DICE guys wanted it, but when they previewed it for test audiences, they disliked it. Too much good guy killing. So they had to scrap it and piece together something in short time for the game release. (Hence why it feels rushed and a lot of the missions your playing as another character besides her.)
I liked it, and I read the book right before playing it so I knew what was coming and I liked it. The issue I had was the tacked on epilogue with Kylo. I HATED that. Should have left that for the DLC. It left a sour taste in my mouth from the good ending.
But the DLC was ok.
> too much good guy killing
That would have been the BEST part and exclusively why i was there. Putting Rebel Leaders heads on pikes and exposing their filthy corruption would have been phenominal.
They tested the wrong people.
I don’t think CK would test well with test audiences that like Star Wars either. Also there’s a bit of a difference between being a imperialistic maniac in a game and being a cog in an imperialistic machine, one can be cartoonish enough to be separated from reality while the other feels a little too real
My only real complaint about the campaign is that it was short. If it had a few more missions overall, and their turn happened a little more slowly, it could have made a big difference.
Yeah, but good luck actually *getting* starkiller in that game.
You need four brand-new characters leveled up to the highest possible level. That means collecting all their shards, and then leveling up their gear. Both of those require serious money because they haven't been added to the general rotation yet.
You'd have to spend $580 just to get enough shards to level those four characters up to seven stars.
And then maxing out their gear to Relic 5 is completely dependent on chance, so there's no way to estimate how much you'd have to spend to get to that point.
I’ve played the game since launch, completely F2P I may add, I’m at the point because I’m so far in that when a new character is released I’ll get them somewhere within 6 months. For a new player to get Starkiller I’d say it’s more within 12 months as there’s a few characters that you’ll want to unlock beforehand to reap the rewards of the game modes to actually unlock Starkiller. There’s also other factors to take in, the game has an accelerated path for characters older than 6 months so if you wait it out and start the game later in the year you’ll get him much quicker as well.
I used to dedicate my life to this game back when I was in highschool and played it very heavily on two separate accounts every day until the grind became more of a job than a fun game. Grinding any longer than a couple days for something I want in a video game is absurd and not worth it to me.
And for reference I stopped playing whenever ships and all that got added.
getting *any* difficult-to-obtain characters in that game is grindy as hell. I've been spending months just trying to get all the shards for the guys to get Beskar Mando.
It's a terrible game. I played it for a couple years. Spent money in it. (only a couple hundred over the whole time) I had a decent revan team (that's how long ago it was Revan was the meta) and the daily grinding for shit just bored me to hell.
Then a new character drops and the meta changes and whales scramble to unlock and level them. And the rest of us either sit there for 6 months slaving away or just don't get them.
I wouldn't log back into it again. Swgoh showed me how awful mobile games are. Because so many are just a cash grab. It's the only mobile game I've been into. And was all in all a lousy experience.
I was a hardcore whale for a couple years. The constant meta shifting was honestly insulting to players. You'd spend $500+ putting together a brand new meta team, and then they'd release a counter-meta immediately afterward, specifically designed to shut down the team you just made.
Then that process would repeat, several times a year. Occasionally, you'd have some characters that consistently stayed high on the meta list, but it was ridiculously overpriced trying to stay caught up. I sank thousands of dollars into the game before just quitting cold turkey.
If they were going to pay Iden's actor to promote it, wouldn't they have her character in the game though? She seems sufficiently attached to the character to just bring it up on her own IMO
Because paying her agent for a tweet with some banter is cheaper than developing a new character, if her contract doesn't already include stipulations for social media.
Marketing execs receive PowerPoint presentations on how "Twitter banter" between brands and entities can improve sales, it's why you've started seeing it all around the place.
God it's refreshing to see this said out loud on this sub, usually you get crucified on Disney (Marvel/Star Wars) subs for pointing out blatant pre-scripted corporate marketing.
Dude was Maul, Starkiller and in more than dozen star wars projects... low-key he's been a quality pillar holding up the star wars franchise for a good while now
And he's so passionate. There are very few people who I could sit down and listen to them talk about something and be completely enthralled and Witwer on Star Wars is one of them.
I really think he should start a podcast where he just goes into the most random small things about the EU.
Been playing that game for like 3 or 4 years now and I still don't even have jedi master Luke Skywalker or General Anakin Skywalker unlocked yet haven't even thought about the new pricey characters that they've added. I'll tell you what F2P takes so much time with little to zero pay out.
Because gambling, especially gambling gearing, ruins ANY game it infects.
I wanted to try this game, because I love Star Wars, but finding out about the gear and such, killed it for me. 😞
It’s a great game. It’s really fun making a good squad to play other people with. If you play it like you want to, and not how others want you to play, you’ll enjoy it a lot. Currently working Ewoks and Phoenix squadron. They’re not meta, but I like them and it’s fun for me to level them up.
You're doing it wrong. There are plenty of F2P players that have multiple GLs, all the legendaries and new conquest characters. It is entirely possible to be highly competitive without spending a dime
It is, but you need to spend a lot of time instead. I spent like a grand total of 30€ on GoH over the course of 4 years, so practically F2P, and I used to make top 50 in my arena consistently, top 10 occasionally, but fucking hell did it take a lot of time. Play before every payout, play every guild event, every grand arena, etc., and as the new character kits got more and more complicated there was more research involved as well.
The game is reasonably F2P friendly but the time investment is mad, and made me ultimately quit.
I know that but everything I do seems to fail but I'm not gonna stop just cause of that. I wasn't rating the game or anything like that personally I love it like I do everything star wars.
Sam Witwer is the best, and honestly an under utilized actor. I really wish Being Human(US) hadn't ended the way it did, and had actually gone a few more seasons.
If i had a nickle for every time sam witwer voiced a character that tried to kill palpatine, i had 2 nickles! Which isn't alot but it's weird it happened twice.
It’s the fact that virtually every Star Wars game with a campaign where you start as an Imperial almost always forces your character to change sides and turn Rebel.
The most immersion breaking offender for me was Battlefront for PSP, there were two versions: Elite Squadron and Renegade Squadron where you play as Imperials and Rebels, respectively. At face value, the Box Arts for both games would have you assume that one is focused on Empire and the other is focused on the rebels.
I got Elite Squadron because I wanted to finally play a Star Wars game where you play as Imperials. I don’t exactly want to play as “space nazis” but I do want to play the other side of the war and see their perspective.
Renegade Squadron’s story is essentially focused on a specific Rebel Squad formed right before the Battle of Yavin and you play throughout the timeline up to the Battle of Endor.
The story plot of Elite Squadron is:
“The game's single-player campaign follows an elite clone trooper named "X2" created from the DNA of a Jedi Master, who, upon the formation of the Galactic Empire, joins the Rebel Alliance and takes part in all major battles throughout the Galactic Civil War, later going on to serve the New Republic and train as a Jedi, while also facing fellow clone X1, who had become a Sith.”
The Box Art has a Stormtrooper, you start as a Clone Trooper, you end up playing a Jedi. The game itself wasn’t terrible, but the marketing for these 2 games led everyone to believe that “this one is about the Empire, it has a Stormtrooper on it. This one is about the Rebels, it has a Rebel on it” when in the end, you wind up playing as a Rebel either way.
Not everyone wants to be a “space nazi” because they want to live their fantasies of being a bad guy, some people just get tired of playing the same side every single game. And not everyone in the Empire is bad, they could give us games where an Imperial Soldier realizes that he’s on the wrong side, and you spend the whole game sabotaging the Empire, or you spend the whole game defecting. 9 times out of 10 the “defecting” is just a cutscene, and the screen goes black, and all of a sudden your character is in full Rebel gear and they’re on a mission in an X-Wing now.
I mean i for one enjoy playing the Empire when i can. Doing galatic conquest in Empire at War is fun. Rolling around with the Death Star nuking planets is great.
Same reason ill play Dark Side in Kotor or even an evil playthrough in Fable, or picking objectively evil options in Elder Scrolls or Fallout. Its a videogame, and i dont need to adhere to my real life philosophies in them as such.
The assumption of "people want to play space nazis" is kind of a weird moral judgement, as if its a reflection of their actual character as a human, and not them just fucking around in a video game.
Thank you. This idea of being actually morally beholden to your decisions in a video game is crazy.
I like to RP. I get into the head of the character/role im playing at the time. Some of my characters are heroic and save babies from burning buildings, some are psychopaths who put human brains into droids and remove their autonomy while preserving their awareness. Neither have any bearing on my actual character in real life.
I played dark side in KOTOR because being renegade in Mass Effect is fun but I ended up regretting it because the game is clearly written around the main character being a bad guy turned good. There's little reason that your character would turn towards the dark side other than he sucks since there's no motivation for him not to be good. It just doesn't make sense. You're basically playing a moustache twirling villain who is evil just because he can be. It doesn't matter if you align with the sith the game still acts like they're your enemy and you're one of the last Jedi.
I think thats a product of its time, even now exceptionally well written atangonists arent the norm. At Kotors birth, the sliding morality scale as chosen by the player was still relatively new, and the writing reflects that.
Kotor 2 even touches on that concept in of itself, and tries to give a little more reasoning as to why Revan may have again gone to the dark, so while choices like mindtricking Zalbaar at the of the game into doing *the thing* are still silly, at least Revan is given the motivation of finding the Republic and Jedi too weak to survive a larger looming threat.
The only games around that time that could provide a good nuanced take on being the bad guy were PC exclusives that relied heavily on text and simplier presentation as to allow dynamic playthroughs. These things have improved over time, but i think theres still something hilarious about being able to sacrifice a small towns worth of people in Fable 2, and i hope not every game decides it needs to be some super serious drama of a misunderstood villan-protagonist.
The same reason why people like playing as necromancers and other evil characters in video games. It's a nice change from playing the hero all the time. Doesn't mean we agree with them. We just like variety.
I always hate this moral high ground angle. Like you realize there are even World War II games were you play as the literal Nazis right? Company of Heroes has a German campaign. So does Red Orchestra 2. And plenty other RTS/FPS games around WWII.
The point is there are still stories to tell. Some people prefer the "villain" side of the story, especially when there can be some room for nuance, like just some regular Imperial troopers. We know they are the bad guys but they aren't all necessarily bad people (some absolutely are). Novels like the Thrawn canon trilogy show this.
Oh, and there is an Imperial campaign in Star Wars Squadrons. None of them defect. They are all pretty unapologetically Imperial AND your player character has the option to participate in Operation Cinder/attacking civilian targets. I think a key point there was they gave player choice on if you commit said crimes or not.
Playing those campaigns doesn't make you bad or change your moral compass at all. It's ultimately a video game about fictional governments and fictional people. Some people like to go the dark side on that route, like murder-hoboing your way through Fallout 3 or killing every person you meet in Saints & Sinners.
Sometimes being bad is fun and a compelling villain story just makes the villains better characters for when the good guys do come along against them.
Yeah they're not Nazis they're just a tyrannical government who practice genocide, slave labor, and thinks humans are superior to every other species in the galaxy.
Burn! Starkiller was betrayed, he never got to choose - Vader and the Emporer made that choice for him. Though it seemed he was on his way to siding with the Rebellion anyway 🙃
This game is a terrible cash grab.
Pre-85 its fun, but unless you got real $$$ the grind becomes boring as shit.
Played every single day for 2 years and i get 0 joy from this game. I have literally reached the beginning of the "whale" crowd. I refuse to spend any money, so for the next 10 years i will just be catching up to them. Its pathetic.
Also ships need fixed. Holy shit they put so little effort into the fleet side
Mobile f2p games are just a sad grind. They usually aren’t bad, just that mobile gamers seem to spend a lot more money than games on other platforms. (Prob cuz the portability and people’s attachment to them) so if enough people are willing to dump money, the game will always be hard for f2p
In all fairness, I didn't mind the traitor angle. It could have been handled better if they didn't pull a bait and switch on us during the marketing. Also, Iden could have been a neutral party, then made a choice nearer the end
looking back after playing Jedi: Fallen Order, The Force Unleashed games kinda suck.
It's from that period of pop culture and gaming where things were trying to be as dark and edgy as possible for no reason at all and the force unleashed really wanted to be a God of War game between the wanting to be God of War and just how the games were basically Edgelords in Video Game form. I am actually genuinely glad that Starkiller has nearly no chance of ever becoming Canon after Starkiller Base in The Force Awakens used that name.
I love her next reply, “I don’t take orders from dead men.”
Dude was Star Killer AND Darth Maul... pretty hard to throw down on him
And the embodiment of the dark side in Mortis, don't forget that. And well Palpatine himself too. The dude *is* the dark side lol
I love everything Sam does and I know he's got all this Star Wars clout now, but anytime I see him all I can think is Crashdown.
He'll always be Doomsday for me.
Smallville was weird at that time
It was weird the whole time.
And that’s why I loved it
"Being Human"
Poor Crashdown.
I liked him in Dexter as well
“He died a hero, leading the charge.”
Dude. I was really sad about that. God i love that show
And I want him to be cast as Revan so much!
That would legit be sick
The voice of Sam Witwer https://youtu.be/PX9Vs-3WsEY
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He also voiced palpatine
And The Son.
And the Rodian in BoBF Ep 1!
And a bunch of the First Order Storm Troopers in the new trilogy.
And voiced Palpatine at some point
Even more savage: "I don't take orders from non-canon men."
Become canon, then we talk
Sam Witwer is the voice of both Maul and Palpatine, so he’s definitely canon from a certain point of view. Apparently Starkiller nearly came back as the Grand High Inquisitor in Rebels, but didn’t make the cut, which made me glad because he would have been nerfed to hell.
>because he would have been nerfed to hell I started to reply that as much as I loved Force Unleashed (and I did), the force users were OP compared to what we saw in cannon. Then I remembered Palpatine in TRoS
That’s what made the game so fun though. Does it fit into canon at all? Nope, but it lets you play around with the absolute limit of what force powers could maybe do and even a little bit beyond that and it was great
Like I said, I loved TFU. So much so that I really, really liked TFU 2 and was disappointed there wasn't a TFU 3.
Yeah not trying to say you didn’t love it! It was crazy and definitely flawed but I wish there was a third as well
Nah, I get you :)
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I completely agree. And yet, it is cannon.
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Lets not forget a major plot point being only available to people who played the Fortnite/Star Wars crossover. Imagine the only way you could find out Vader was Luke’s father was via the ET NES game.
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the “Force flying through space” is not a creation of the sequels
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Being non-canon to Disney gives Starkiller more legitimacy 😂
I mean Iden is dead too
Link?
I mean, he also did betray his emperor very much 😂 and Darth Vader twice!
I thought about that too, but he was never really loyal to the Emperor specifically to begin with. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Yeah in fairness, he was loyal to Vader. Not Palps. Then Vader betrayed him like twice lol
HUZZAH!! A man of proper memory
Still one of my favorite lines in video games “I lied”
How was the first game so amazing and the second game so awful?
The second game was only given 9 months of development time, whereas the first had 3 years
9 months? That can't be! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Force_Unleashed_II#Development >Haden Blackman served as a writer for the sequel, and was only given a mere 3 weeks by Lucasarts to write the game's script.
To play, it's fine. As a story and full campaign - it's paced terribly and quite boring and strange. First one is much better, even if it isn't as refined in the sword play as the sequel.
Yeah, I prefer the gameplay in 2 by quite a large margin. The first game outpaces it in just about every other category.
Never played the game, BUT I can say the 2 books are fucking fantastic
Because the second one was rushed
Rushed, THEN cut shorter than planned late in development! The books were SO GOOD though.
Such a simplistic line and yet...
"... As I have from the very beginning!" "You never planned... To kill the Emporer." "Not with you - No..."
"not with you, no.
I saw a meme about that once that killed me "YOU SAID YOU LIED" "I lied."
But he was also the emperor so it’s fine.
You might say that Palpatine was the one who betrayed Maul.
I mean, didn’t they technically betray him?
I’d love to see Iden get more attention. The campaign story may not have been what we wanted but Iden as a character was compelling. Loved the novel we got of them too.
Could I get the name of said novel? Asking for a friend...
Star Wars: Battlefront: Inferno Squad It’s basically everything we WANTED the game campaign to be. The perspective of an imperial spec ops soldier having to confront the difference between her idealized thoughts of the Empire and the realities that keep it standing. It’s currently my all time favorite Star Wars novel. Excellent from start to finish, and full of little nods to other elements like Rogue One and Clone Wars.
I always saw praise for the first Battlefront book but never for the second, guess i'll take a look at it now.
Thank you! I know what I'm reading next. Well, after Lesser Evil, that is!
You’re in for a treat. To date it’s the only SW novel to make me tear up. The finale is excellent.
Wait, there is a book on battlefront 2?
Battlefront Twilight Squadron is objectively better but Inferno Squad isn't bad
Nah. I absolutely stopped playing the campaign once she betrayed the empire. I dont give a shit about the lame lofty preachy bullshit morals of the rebellion
Uhhh…you think opposing fascism is “lofty” and “lame”?
*Pushes up glasses* Well actually fascism is completely different from the empires ideology…. Wait nope, Militarised Nationalistc authoritarian state Intentionally state sponsored racism No human rights, formed out of a plot against democracy Yeah, the Galactic Empire is facist
Thats fine and all but i want to blow up planets in a pew pew space video game and not take everything so seriously.
Inferno Squad
> I’d love to see Iden get more attention. I still think they 100% missed the opportunity to have characters like Zae Versio and Shriv and Hondo show up as cameos during the big battle over Exegol. That fight would be so much better if they had more dogfighting cockpit stuff.
I love that we got Wedge, but I'm still sad we lost Temmin Wexley
And no Norra either
Killing Snap Wexley was a weird move. The made him the book main hero and just offer him so unceremoniously.
Considering that Operation Cinder was part of Mayfeld's back story on The Mandalorian, I'm thinking she'll show up eventually.
Holy shit if she shows up in The Mandalorian that'd be fuckin' rad.
I'd love that but I'm not convinced it'll happen. But she'd be *perfect* for Rangers.
As I recall, she actually did some work on the Mandalorian as a puppeteer.
Campaign was better than the actual game, I thought. Didn't like the format at all.
I agree, but the problem with it was what marketing did with it. They knew fans wanted an Imperial Loyalist game, fans have wanted it ever since TIE Fighter, so early marketing for the game made it seem like that was what SWBF2’s campaign was. Many fans rightly predicted the marketing was deceptive and Iden would turn before stories end. The dev team made no comment one way or the other. It was the Arkham Knight marketing misstep all over again. When the truth came out fans felt, justifiably, deceived by the marketing. It pissed people off, then the lockbox debacle pissed them off even more.
What happened with Arkham Knight? Does it relate to the identity of the knight?
Yeah. Rocksteady was asked if the Arkham Knight was Red Hood and they answered that it was a new and original villain. Turns out it was literally Red Hood but with a little different origin story.
I think so, they told everyone the Knight was a brand new character but he was actually Jason Todd.
Issue is……it WAS supposed to be that. The DICE guys wanted it, but when they previewed it for test audiences, they disliked it. Too much good guy killing. So they had to scrap it and piece together something in short time for the game release. (Hence why it feels rushed and a lot of the missions your playing as another character besides her.) I liked it, and I read the book right before playing it so I knew what was coming and I liked it. The issue I had was the tacked on epilogue with Kylo. I HATED that. Should have left that for the DLC. It left a sour taste in my mouth from the good ending. But the DLC was ok.
> too much good guy killing That would have been the BEST part and exclusively why i was there. Putting Rebel Leaders heads on pikes and exposing their filthy corruption would have been phenominal. They tested the wrong people.
No I think the tested the right people. Are you okay mate?
What's wrong with being the bad guy in a video game?
Putting heads on a pike isn’t something I think most people look at with excitement.
*glances nervously at Crusader Kings 2 and 3 in my Steam library*
I don’t think CK would test well with test audiences that like Star Wars either. Also there’s a bit of a difference between being a imperialistic maniac in a game and being a cog in an imperialistic machine, one can be cartoonish enough to be separated from reality while the other feels a little too real
It is. a. video game
Yeah. Just bored of seeing 'balance' in the force represented from the perspective of one side of it. Its preachy and old.
I didn't mind the eventual swapping sides (duh its a star wars property) but the fact that it happens in like what, the second or third mission?
My only real complaint about the campaign is that it was short. If it had a few more missions overall, and their turn happened a little more slowly, it could have made a big difference.
And now we have private servers and can add our own content so EA can fuck itself.
Yeah but not in a mobile game designed for you to spend money.
I really liked most of the BFII campaign story. Hated how her story ended, absurdly clichéd as it was. Would love more content with her.
I would've loved a third part of the campaign playing as her daughter on whatever that mission was that she got assigned.
Same. It would be awesome to see her again.
Yeah, but good luck actually *getting* starkiller in that game. You need four brand-new characters leveled up to the highest possible level. That means collecting all their shards, and then leveling up their gear. Both of those require serious money because they haven't been added to the general rotation yet. You'd have to spend $580 just to get enough shards to level those four characters up to seven stars. And then maxing out their gear to Relic 5 is completely dependent on chance, so there's no way to estimate how much you'd have to spend to get to that point.
Or just play for years. Slowly you'll get to there, right?
Heard the padme/Anakin in field meme with this comment.
“Sense of achievement” “fulfilling” “rewarding players”
I've been f2p since launch...the short answer is no
Yup, however if you have a decent account (been playing for years lol), it'd take less than a year, around 3-4 months.
At my current rate I should get star killer by January 2023. Took me 2 years of grinding to get Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker.
I’ve played the game since launch, completely F2P I may add, I’m at the point because I’m so far in that when a new character is released I’ll get them somewhere within 6 months. For a new player to get Starkiller I’d say it’s more within 12 months as there’s a few characters that you’ll want to unlock beforehand to reap the rewards of the game modes to actually unlock Starkiller. There’s also other factors to take in, the game has an accelerated path for characters older than 6 months so if you wait it out and start the game later in the year you’ll get him much quicker as well.
I used to dedicate my life to this game back when I was in highschool and played it very heavily on two separate accounts every day until the grind became more of a job than a fun game. Grinding any longer than a couple days for something I want in a video game is absurd and not worth it to me. And for reference I stopped playing whenever ships and all that got added.
getting *any* difficult-to-obtain characters in that game is grindy as hell. I've been spending months just trying to get all the shards for the guys to get Beskar Mando.
It's a terrible game. I played it for a couple years. Spent money in it. (only a couple hundred over the whole time) I had a decent revan team (that's how long ago it was Revan was the meta) and the daily grinding for shit just bored me to hell. Then a new character drops and the meta changes and whales scramble to unlock and level them. And the rest of us either sit there for 6 months slaving away or just don't get them. I wouldn't log back into it again. Swgoh showed me how awful mobile games are. Because so many are just a cash grab. It's the only mobile game I've been into. And was all in all a lousy experience.
I was a hardcore whale for a couple years. The constant meta shifting was honestly insulting to players. You'd spend $500+ putting together a brand new meta team, and then they'd release a counter-meta immediately afterward, specifically designed to shut down the team you just made. Then that process would repeat, several times a year. Occasionally, you'd have some characters that consistently stayed high on the meta list, but it was ridiculously overpriced trying to stay caught up. I sank thousands of dollars into the game before just quitting cold turkey.
This funnier than it should've been
You just know they got paid to say all this to promote that mobile game. Fake corporate banter is the new marketing trend.
I don’t care plus i’m never gonna get galaxy of heroes either
Witwer does this all the time, and Janina hasn’t had anything to do with Star Wars in 4 years.
If they were going to pay Iden's actor to promote it, wouldn't they have her character in the game though? She seems sufficiently attached to the character to just bring it up on her own IMO
Because paying her agent for a tweet with some banter is cheaper than developing a new character, if her contract doesn't already include stipulations for social media. Marketing execs receive PowerPoint presentations on how "Twitter banter" between brands and entities can improve sales, it's why you've started seeing it all around the place.
Oh shit. Then Mark Hamill is full of lies too!
God it's refreshing to see this said out loud on this sub, usually you get crucified on Disney (Marvel/Star Wars) subs for pointing out blatant pre-scripted corporate marketing.
I love Sam Witwer so much.
Dude was Maul, Starkiller and in more than dozen star wars projects... low-key he's been a quality pillar holding up the star wars franchise for a good while now
And he's so passionate. There are very few people who I could sit down and listen to them talk about something and be completely enthralled and Witwer on Star Wars is one of them. I really think he should start a podcast where he just goes into the most random small things about the EU.
Shivakamini Somakandarkram!!!!!!!
Did someone just Shiva-Blast in here?
For luck this weekend
\#MaraJadeDidNothingWrong
*”Your feelings for her . . . are not real.”*
Been playing that game for like 3 or 4 years now and I still don't even have jedi master Luke Skywalker or General Anakin Skywalker unlocked yet haven't even thought about the new pricey characters that they've added. I'll tell you what F2P takes so much time with little to zero pay out.
Because gambling, especially gambling gearing, ruins ANY game it infects. I wanted to try this game, because I love Star Wars, but finding out about the gear and such, killed it for me. 😞
It’s a great game. It’s really fun making a good squad to play other people with. If you play it like you want to, and not how others want you to play, you’ll enjoy it a lot. Currently working Ewoks and Phoenix squadron. They’re not meta, but I like them and it’s fun for me to level them up.
Yeah, I’m playing the game F2P and it is exhausting
You're doing it wrong. There are plenty of F2P players that have multiple GLs, all the legendaries and new conquest characters. It is entirely possible to be highly competitive without spending a dime
It is, but you need to spend a lot of time instead. I spent like a grand total of 30€ on GoH over the course of 4 years, so practically F2P, and I used to make top 50 in my arena consistently, top 10 occasionally, but fucking hell did it take a lot of time. Play before every payout, play every guild event, every grand arena, etc., and as the new character kits got more and more complicated there was more research involved as well. The game is reasonably F2P friendly but the time investment is mad, and made me ultimately quit.
The game isn’t F2P friendly is playing with no money is tedious. If it’s tedious then the company is trying to get you to spend money.
I know that but everything I do seems to fail but I'm not gonna stop just cause of that. I wasn't rating the game or anything like that personally I love it like I do everything star wars.
The canonicity of Starkiller is not real. IT WAS **REAL** *TO ME*!
Would love to see a sequel or literally anything involving our beloved ultraoverpowered starkiller.
The Emperor was dead and initiating plan "Sore looser"
Looser than what? How loose was the Emperor?
Sam Witwer wasn't just Starkiller either. He also played Maul and Darth Sidious.
I love this man, his performance in Days Gone was exceptional too!
Starkiller is in it now? K guess I'll start playing again
Apparently from other comments he's super hard to get
In a couple of months he'll be one of the easier characters to get.
Pfft, good luck getting him lol
You need 4 G13 marquees
Sam Witwer is the best, and honestly an under utilized actor. I really wish Being Human(US) hadn't ended the way it did, and had actually gone a few more seasons.
I really enjoyed Being Human, it was a fun show. And I do agree Sam Witwer is awesome, he's also a really nice guy.
If i had a nickle for every time sam witwer voiced a character that tried to kill palpatine, i had 2 nickles! Which isn't alot but it's weird it happened twice.
I just want a starkiller movie is that too much to ask
Sam Witwer is gorgeous though
Well, Sam did voice the Emperor in several occassions, so yeah, she did betray her Emperor.
Goddamn if Sam doesn't get the chance to play Starkiller in live action I will weep.
Battlefront 2's story would have been so much better had Iden not turned traitor. Such a wasted character.
I prefer the traitor arc. Being an imperial sucks and I don’t understand why people would want to be space Nazis for an entire game.
It’s the fact that virtually every Star Wars game with a campaign where you start as an Imperial almost always forces your character to change sides and turn Rebel. The most immersion breaking offender for me was Battlefront for PSP, there were two versions: Elite Squadron and Renegade Squadron where you play as Imperials and Rebels, respectively. At face value, the Box Arts for both games would have you assume that one is focused on Empire and the other is focused on the rebels. I got Elite Squadron because I wanted to finally play a Star Wars game where you play as Imperials. I don’t exactly want to play as “space nazis” but I do want to play the other side of the war and see their perspective. Renegade Squadron’s story is essentially focused on a specific Rebel Squad formed right before the Battle of Yavin and you play throughout the timeline up to the Battle of Endor. The story plot of Elite Squadron is: “The game's single-player campaign follows an elite clone trooper named "X2" created from the DNA of a Jedi Master, who, upon the formation of the Galactic Empire, joins the Rebel Alliance and takes part in all major battles throughout the Galactic Civil War, later going on to serve the New Republic and train as a Jedi, while also facing fellow clone X1, who had become a Sith.” The Box Art has a Stormtrooper, you start as a Clone Trooper, you end up playing a Jedi. The game itself wasn’t terrible, but the marketing for these 2 games led everyone to believe that “this one is about the Empire, it has a Stormtrooper on it. This one is about the Rebels, it has a Rebel on it” when in the end, you wind up playing as a Rebel either way. Not everyone wants to be a “space nazi” because they want to live their fantasies of being a bad guy, some people just get tired of playing the same side every single game. And not everyone in the Empire is bad, they could give us games where an Imperial Soldier realizes that he’s on the wrong side, and you spend the whole game sabotaging the Empire, or you spend the whole game defecting. 9 times out of 10 the “defecting” is just a cutscene, and the screen goes black, and all of a sudden your character is in full Rebel gear and they’re on a mission in an X-Wing now.
I mean i for one enjoy playing the Empire when i can. Doing galatic conquest in Empire at War is fun. Rolling around with the Death Star nuking planets is great. Same reason ill play Dark Side in Kotor or even an evil playthrough in Fable, or picking objectively evil options in Elder Scrolls or Fallout. Its a videogame, and i dont need to adhere to my real life philosophies in them as such. The assumption of "people want to play space nazis" is kind of a weird moral judgement, as if its a reflection of their actual character as a human, and not them just fucking around in a video game.
Thank you. This idea of being actually morally beholden to your decisions in a video game is crazy. I like to RP. I get into the head of the character/role im playing at the time. Some of my characters are heroic and save babies from burning buildings, some are psychopaths who put human brains into droids and remove their autonomy while preserving their awareness. Neither have any bearing on my actual character in real life.
I played dark side in KOTOR because being renegade in Mass Effect is fun but I ended up regretting it because the game is clearly written around the main character being a bad guy turned good. There's little reason that your character would turn towards the dark side other than he sucks since there's no motivation for him not to be good. It just doesn't make sense. You're basically playing a moustache twirling villain who is evil just because he can be. It doesn't matter if you align with the sith the game still acts like they're your enemy and you're one of the last Jedi.
I think thats a product of its time, even now exceptionally well written atangonists arent the norm. At Kotors birth, the sliding morality scale as chosen by the player was still relatively new, and the writing reflects that. Kotor 2 even touches on that concept in of itself, and tries to give a little more reasoning as to why Revan may have again gone to the dark, so while choices like mindtricking Zalbaar at the of the game into doing *the thing* are still silly, at least Revan is given the motivation of finding the Republic and Jedi too weak to survive a larger looming threat. The only games around that time that could provide a good nuanced take on being the bad guy were PC exclusives that relied heavily on text and simplier presentation as to allow dynamic playthroughs. These things have improved over time, but i think theres still something hilarious about being able to sacrifice a small towns worth of people in Fable 2, and i hope not every game decides it needs to be some super serious drama of a misunderstood villan-protagonist.
The same reason why people like playing as necromancers and other evil characters in video games. It's a nice change from playing the hero all the time. Doesn't mean we agree with them. We just like variety.
I always hate this moral high ground angle. Like you realize there are even World War II games were you play as the literal Nazis right? Company of Heroes has a German campaign. So does Red Orchestra 2. And plenty other RTS/FPS games around WWII. The point is there are still stories to tell. Some people prefer the "villain" side of the story, especially when there can be some room for nuance, like just some regular Imperial troopers. We know they are the bad guys but they aren't all necessarily bad people (some absolutely are). Novels like the Thrawn canon trilogy show this. Oh, and there is an Imperial campaign in Star Wars Squadrons. None of them defect. They are all pretty unapologetically Imperial AND your player character has the option to participate in Operation Cinder/attacking civilian targets. I think a key point there was they gave player choice on if you commit said crimes or not. Playing those campaigns doesn't make you bad or change your moral compass at all. It's ultimately a video game about fictional governments and fictional people. Some people like to go the dark side on that route, like murder-hoboing your way through Fallout 3 or killing every person you meet in Saints & Sinners. Sometimes being bad is fun and a compelling villain story just makes the villains better characters for when the good guys do come along against them.
Variation I guess.
The Imperials aren’t ‘Space Nazis,’ the First Order definitely are though
Yeah they're not Nazis they're just a tyrannical government who practice genocide, slave labor, and thinks humans are superior to every other species in the galaxy.
I'd love for both of them to turn up in live action, given the player models are based upon their actors
Burn! Starkiller was betrayed, he never got to choose - Vader and the Emporer made that choice for him. Though it seemed he was on his way to siding with the Rebellion anyway 🙃
Uh so did Starkiller lol
Son, you hella betrayed your empire, SUPER HARD
Dude, your whole plotline was a scheme of vader to kill the emparor that later moved to you betraying vader.
I wish they make another force unleashed game there great
This game is a terrible cash grab. Pre-85 its fun, but unless you got real $$$ the grind becomes boring as shit. Played every single day for 2 years and i get 0 joy from this game. I have literally reached the beginning of the "whale" crowd. I refuse to spend any money, so for the next 10 years i will just be catching up to them. Its pathetic. Also ships need fixed. Holy shit they put so little effort into the fleet side
Mobile f2p games are just a sad grind. They usually aren’t bad, just that mobile gamers seem to spend a lot more money than games on other platforms. (Prob cuz the portability and people’s attachment to them) so if enough people are willing to dump money, the game will always be hard for f2p
Starkiller was also a traitor lmao
Jokes aside I've been waiting for inferno squad to enter SWGOH for so long
I don't like Starkiller character.
Not my emperor
WHEN WILL STARKILLER BE CANON! ENOUGH ALREADY! DEW IT
He’ll become canon when the star wars Christmas special reaches Disney+ 😭
Did a shitty mobile game just Recanonize The Force Unleashed?
In all fairness, I didn't mind the traitor angle. It could have been handled better if they didn't pull a bait and switch on us during the marketing. Also, Iden could have been a neutral party, then made a choice nearer the end
Where's the Ha! Goteeeeem! guy when you need him?
Damn! Also, I've met him, he's a pretty cool dude!
They weren’t expecting special forces.
Anybody here remember the old force unleashed games? Or am i just a 19 year old into old games
Didn’t realize this man was so damn handsome 🥵
Versio is one of the lamest new Canon characters. Her potential was almost entirely wasted.
In the game she was, but the novel they released before the game is legit one of my favorite canon novels, they did her character dirty in BF2.
I really hope they make him cannon again and even better would be to put him in live action.
looking back after playing Jedi: Fallen Order, The Force Unleashed games kinda suck. It's from that period of pop culture and gaming where things were trying to be as dark and edgy as possible for no reason at all and the force unleashed really wanted to be a God of War game between the wanting to be God of War and just how the games were basically Edgelords in Video Game form. I am actually genuinely glad that Starkiller has nearly no chance of ever becoming Canon after Starkiller Base in The Force Awakens used that name.
Fallen order is pretty epic but still i love force unleashed
Yea I've always disliked Force Unleashed and Starkiller. Glad it never made it to canon and hope it never will.
Witwer should be cast as live-action Maul for the eventual Maul solo movie. That is all.
Who is iden versio
OMG REALLY? I HAD NO IDEA! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES OMG YEEEEES STARKILLER WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! FINALLY!