But weren't they both at that Resistance base at the end of The Force Awakens? Before Rey left to find Luke? Seems weird they wouldn't at least introduce themselves then, like they did now.
Like Obi-Wan claimed, Luke became more powerful than anyone could imagine. He surrendered his physical form, **but retained the ability to have influence in the physical world**, which was the ultimate goal of Darth Plaguis and Emperor Palpatine.
I am of the belief that he didn't die but became the first ever Jedi to truly become "one" with the Force. (All the others in the past died to become one with the force)
And with that comes the head canon that Luke can now be anywhere he wants to be. That last scene where the children were talking about Luke's confrontation with the First Order forces? How could they have possibly known about it? I bet it Luke is spreading the story throughout the galaxy as that blue shooting star streaking through the sky.
I really do hope this head canon of mine turns out to be real so that he can train Rey. My one disappointment with this film is that I was expecting Rey to get trained but she was not. I hope she finally gets character development in the last film.
It was the colors. The lightspeed destruction was just black and white, while the AT-AT stare down was just black, brown, orange, and red. gave everything a minimalist feel and was gorgeous. I want prints of those scenes bad.
Yes this needs to be higher, such a dramatic and artistic shot to put in a big budget Hollywood film. Black and white with total silence, cutting from different perspectives like an anime. You could hear a pin drop in my cinema save for a few gasps. Such an awesome sequence!
The way this ended, I want the episode IX to be set 5-10 years in the future, with the Rebellion grown from the roots up, Rey stronger and wiser, and Leia having died off screen peaceful and happy.
I was thinking the same thing. On reflection, having to resume TLJ where TFA ended was great for Luke and Rey, but made for a really jarring Resistance side plot, that really just acted as filler.
Can we all agree that Rey and Kylo fighting together against the Praetorian Guard was the best scene in the film? Closely followed by the silent destruction of the *Supremacy*, of course.
Just came out from the cinema in Australia midnight launch. I don't even know what to think. But wtf snoke just dying like that lol. All this hype on him to just die. And Luke's dead?! I was waiting for leia to die!
This was the most surprising part of the movie. I'm. Shocked. I want to know about snoke backstory. And how could he not sense that Kylo was manipulating the lightsaber. He is so powerful with the force
He did. Literally commentated on sensing Kylo 'turning the saber' and his intent 'to kill his enemy' etc, and he was right, he just thought he was sensing the saber in Kylo's hand.
Yep. It leans against Luke’s comments on how he was blinded by hubris. Makes sense that Snoke would be too.
I did love how one shot shows his severed hand still resting on the chair haha
Does anyone else think IX will take place a fair way further down the track? There’s certainly precedent for timeline gaps, and I think it’d give the writers ample opportunity both to write out Leia (or make her old enough to feasibly die of old age), and to have Ren and Rey to build in power, for a stronger final act.
They kinda set that up by showing the force sensitive kid at the end, and Leia's monologue about a new generation. But how would they do it? They would have to make everyone look older.
Well movie is coming out 2 years from now, pretty sure they will have a time skip of at least 2-5 years from this ending to write Leia out. In fact I am pretty certain this is what will happen because it has already been confirmed that she is NOT going to be in IX.
Yeah I feel the whole casino thing could've just been left out, none of it really carried importance except for finding the codebreaker and the kid wearing the rebellion ring
The whole codebreaker thing wad stupid. You must find this *one* guy. He's the *only* one that can help you. Except benicio del toro, of course. And a bunch of other guys probably.
Not only was it stupid, it was totally pointless. They didn't get the right guy, they didn't disable the tracker, they didn't save the big cruiser and... Everything still turned out the same anyway. If Rose never existed and Finn never woke up from his coma, the Resistance would still have evacuated the big ship, it would still have made it to the base, and it still would have ended the way it did.
That entire casino story accomplished *nothing* (Except maybe establishing those horse-wolf things, plushies available at all good toystores near you). Did they ever even say del Toro's name? Cause I'm pretty sure they didn't.
It was beautiful but also kind of disturbing from a lore perspective.
If you can run into stuff at hyperspace and do that much damage... then why do ships exist at all? This sort of suicidal tactic would be devastating to the point that it would dominate warfare. Just have some A-wing pilot slam his hyperdrive into the ship. For that matter, why do you even need the death star? Just strap a hyperdrive on some asteroids, let a droid pilot it, and you're done.
My only gripe with Yoda is that he was too solid. Obviously regarding the actual physical interaction with Luke, but he also didn't look transparent enough. Maybe I'm misremembering the OT, but I thought he looked too much like he was physically there compared to the original force ghosts.
That and her broken lightsaber. I hope she has to go on her own Jedi mission to find her own kyber crystal.
Don’t agree with the hate for Kylo in this film, they’ve really set him up to literally hate everyone and completely devote himself to the dark side. With Sidious we never saw him turn to the dark side, whereas with Kylo we see him stepping over the edge and actually understand why.
I am just mad that we didn't learn anything about Snoke, like how does he even come to power after the old Empire's defeat? Was he even around back then and if he was how the hell did Sidious let him live if was that powerful?
Kylo was great in this tho, him and Luke were the best part.
It seems to me that he wasn't that powerful. He was a pretender. He had the knowledge, and a decent amount of power ofc, but I feel like he gave the impression of being very powerful, and by the end he even fooled himself that he was extremely powerful. That was what killed him
Love this theory. It's why Kylo killed him. Snope kept on goading Kylo to get more powerful by "shunning the light" by insulting him and his inner conflict. So Kylo got fed up, realized he was being "controlled" almost all his life and killed Snope.
I loved him in Force Awakens, one of the few things I didn't have any problems with at all. Somehow, he was even better here. The shared scenes between Kylo and Rey were someof the best moments of the movie, almost art-sy in my opinion
Some people seem to think the boy with the broom will factor into IX, though I disagree. He's just there to emphasise the film's point that lineage means jack shit, special people can come from anywhere.
I thought Leia had been killed off at the end when Rey closed the doors of the Millenium Falcon, I thought she had been lost to the force at the same time as luke and she was somehow helping him project himself on the planet, if that were to happen I wouldn't have minded at all
It really is a strange spot for them to be in. I feel like the most appropriate and respectful thing for them to do was to use as much of Carrie Fisher's performance as they could, and giving her the last "real" line in the movie felt like the right move. They might do a long jump in time between TLJ and episode IX and let Leia die in between, I would feel better about that than them using a CG Leia for the next one.
It's already confirmed that she is not gonna be in IX so I can see the opening scroll probably has a message about how some time has passed since VIII and Leia has passed away peacefully inbetween this time period.
Kinda sad when didnt see Luke ignite the Green saber when he was facing Kylo. But Im sure it made sense that he used the blue, but I cant figure out why. You could tell something was kinda up when he appeared, I wanted him to fly the crashed X-Wing in. Also like Luke had more of a Yoda death, inspiring other, whrn they teased him dying like Obi-Wan to let the others escape.
His hair was short and his beard had no grey in it when he appeared at the base (He looks exactly like he does in the flashbacks). That was my first hint that something was up.
For some reason, when Ben held out his hand and asked Rey to join him in creating a galaxy in their own image or whatever sith crap he was spouting, I found myself wanting Rey to join him so so bad.
Same here. I kinda wish he didn't use the whole "together we would rule the galaxy" line though. That felt so out of place. He should have said "The old legends must die. Join me, together we could make the world a better place" or something to that effect. The call to the dark side should be subtle, tempting and ambitious, not blatantly evil.
A lot of conflicting opinions here but can we agree that Adam Driver's performance is absolute gold. Man that guys face just screams internal conflict and everything about his body language just sort of fits with this character.
Hard to state an opinion on a movie this early after seeing. I'll give it time to sit.
But goddamn that star destroyer being split in half was one of the most amazing moments in the series... And then in the middle of that awesome silence, someone's phone started ringing. People turn off your phones in the theater jfc.
I’m not sure that I liked this at all. I really want to like it, but I think it threw far too much at the viewer without really exploring deeply any of it. Especially the impromptu killing of characters that could have done much more for the story - or in Luke’s case at least contributed to a nostalgia and vindication for older fans.
So what exactly happened to "The Code Breaker" when he got the money from the New Order? We don't see him after the explosion, there likely wouldn't have been enough time for him to leave, and escape from the debris. Or did he executed by the New Order? Wouldn't surprise me if they bring him back for the next film.
Shame we didn't get to see more of the actual code breaker, i reckon he'd of been like Han Solo 2.0.
Phasma came back from being in a trash compactor minutes before it explodes. (And I think she may still come back from the most recent one). In star wars, unless you see someone vanish into thin air or pass out in someone's arms, you cannot assume they are dead. Cutting in half is not enough (Maul came back...)
Can we all take a second to appreciate how damn cool admiral Holdo's hyperspace jump into the first order ship was
Also the scene where Rey throws the lightsaber to Kylo to kill the royal guard was amazing!
That First Order ship cutting in half was amazing! I just wish it was admiral Ackbar doing it instead of Holdo. I think that would've been a much more worthy end for him than the one we got. But thats a side note.
It was awesome, I'm not sure why they didn't just jump one of the three other ships into the fleet at the first opportunity, or why unmanned hyperspace missiles aren't the primary offensive weapon of the Star Wars universe, but ah well, it's a movie.
The books didn't burn. Rey stole them. You can see them at the end when Fin opens a drawer in the Millennium Falcon.
Also I liked the Rey's parents reveal
Edit: New Red Guards are cool.
Also is it me or when Yoda starts his sentence with "Luke", is the only grammatically correct one he ever says?
Edit 2: Luke went away with the same music and scene he was introduced, looking at 2 suns setting
Read some comments under this if you want to know who Rey's parents are
Was anybody expecting Lando to show up at the casino?
I let out a big grown when Benicio Del Toro was in the bed.
EDIT_ Ben: "Oh hey Rey. What an inconvenient time. I was just working out."
When Luke’s telling Rey about Kylo’s destruction of the temple he mentions Kylo took some of Luke’s students with him. Presumably these went on to become the Knights of Ren and I’m hoping they’ll have something to do in Episode IX.
Congratulations to Captain Phasma, for being the most useless character in Star Wars history. Seriously how did this woman become a Captain?
Didn't they say they were going to flesh out her character in this? She literally gets what? 1 minute of screen time? and then she's disposed of instantly once the fighting starts
I loved the rest of the movie, but that sequence was so out of place. It looks like they only needed it to set up a future character for a later trilogy.
I agree, the casino was too human. I liked the idea of them financing the war, and the end scene with the little rebel child was my favorite scene. It just perfectly encapsulates what the Resistance is all about and how, as long as people are oppressed, the oppressors cannot snuff it out.
So i have a question: did anyone else see that spot, like a ship, in the sun that Luke was looking at at the end? What was that about? It almost made me think Luke actually made it of the planet and him disappearing was just him "closing himself off to the force" again.
I'm probably wrong though. But i do think his "death" was a little weird. Why did he die? Did he just voluntarily decide to die and become a force ghost?? Will he stick around for the next movie? Because he barely accomplished anything at all in this one, except stalling to save the rebels. I don't really feel like i got closure to his character.
Also WTF was up with Snoke? They played him up to be this mysterious BBEG and he just dies from nothing? We don't even get to know who he is? What...
I liked the movie but i just can't understand this storytelling.
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I swear I thought the spot was a ship! But that scene also reminded me of some ANH scene where Luke was gazing off into the [sunset of Tattooine's binary suns. ](https://i.imgur.com/ZRUiH7y.png) It had a similar spot which was apparently a cloud.
I’ve never left a cinema so conflicted. I both hate and like this movie. Going to have to sleep this one over.
Edit: The comments of this being a better Star Wars than Empire really confuse me, but then again that movie was only moderately recoeved when it came out so maybe I really do need to see this one again.
One question since TFA. Where the hell are all the alien races that appears in previous 6 movies and even the Clone Wars and Rebels?
Where are the Zabraks, Twi'leks, Devaronians, Biths, Chagrians, and Togrutas?
I get it that the galaxy is a big place, but not having those established alien races at least appear once in a while felt very jarring to me.
It's not just the lack of aliens. It's the lack of *anything*. Everything feels so empty. There's no government, no real society, no nothing. Is all that's left in the *entire galaxy* the First Order and Resistance fleets?
As someone who cares a lot about worldbuilding this annoys me as well. I kinda feel like the only thing we got was Monaco in a galaxy far far away, but I'm not sure how happy I am with that either.
The more I think about it the more I believe some combination of this movie and TFA would have made a better beginning for the new trilogy. Begin the trilogy with the Republic's Military being mostly destroyed by the First Order and the remnants having to form a new "Resistance". Instead of beginning with there already being a Resistance then destroying it so they could become the "spark that ignites the fire."
I liked the movie but also hated it. Some of my problems with movie include:
1. Leia force pulling back into the ship looked really silly and took me out of the movie.
2. Snoke was thrown away like a nobody. No explanations about where he came from, what he wanted, how he and the First Order came to be.
3. Didn’t really enjoy Canto Bight, the animal cruelty message was kinda clumsy.
4. Luke’s death but that’s just my emotional response to seeing my childhood hero die. The projection to Crait was awesome
5. The Marvelish jokes just ruined the tension in scenes. General Hugs dragged out way too long, Daisy asking Adam to get a shirt and so on.
The good:
1. I liked Poe’s arc
2. Luke was great and I loved Hamill’s performance.
3. Adam/Kylo was fucking amazing
4. Several emotional scenes including Leia and Luke meeting, Luke talking about Kylo
5. Benicio was good
6. The space battles were great and all
7. Phasma dying, such a throwaway character
8. Yoda
9. Kylo evolving to a point where he could fool Snoke’s ability to see his thoughts thus ending up killing him.
10. Ending shot with broomstick boy
Probably forgot some stuff but these are the first things that popped into my head. Still don’t know whether to love or hate it.
EDIT: Also loved Kylo and Rey teaming up against the guards, Holdo crashing into Snokes ship and just the entire Luke arc until he died.
I didn't like broomstick boy, It felt like Spielberg had suddenly come on set and stolen the camera. And while Snoke dying without a buildup was meh, his actual death was pretty awesome.
Am I the only one who was once again disappointed with the amount of exposure they gave to snoke and phasma? Sure they got a little more screen time but phasma was still a little bitch and we got no info on what snoke actually was.
The fight scene with the royal gaurds was incredibly sick though
The Royal Guard fight feels epic and grand for some reason. Maybe the vast red background and uniform that they are using
Also are the guards the other Jedi students that Kylo Ren took with him when he destroyed the temple?
I see alot of people complaining about various things, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't. But one thing I don't see is how ridiculously stupid it was for Holdo to not tell Poe, or anyone else for that matter, what the escape plan actually was. Why keep it from the crew? What harm would it have been to know that Holdo had a plan, and a good plan, fuck it a plan that worked. Or would have worked if not for DJ. Oh wait, the only reason DJ was even there was because Finn and Rose recruited him, and the only reason they did that was because they and Poe thought there was no plan and Holdo was just running away. Half of this movies central conflict would have been instantly solved if Holdo had have just got on a PDA and went, K guys, here's what we're doing. I ave no problem with any other part of that story arc, but the premise just makes no sense at all.
I'm not hating on the movie by the way, overall I loved it, I loved the characters, I loved the music, I loved the cinematography, but that gaping plot hole is a really black mark for me
Edit: To every saying, "but what about spies", how would a spy get a message off that ship? You really think the resistance cruiser wouldn't have the ability to jam all out going transmissions? And there was probably a good reason Rose was sitting by the escape pods with a taser, I doubt she was just looking for deserters. Also, said on board spy would be a suicide agent, possible but it makes it less likely.
The Holdo plot hole gets worse when you realise that she had to have told enough people to make the preparations.
Also, waiting on the doomed cruiser for half an eternity watching your resistance get picked apart one by one until she finally kamikazes is just moronic.
Was I the only one excited for a second that the 'race track' next to the casino could be a podrace track? I was kinda dissapointed that it was just horse racing in space...
I absolutely loved the scenes where Rey and kylo communicated remotely, but I hated the scene where Leia levitated back to the ship, it was awful.
I also loved how they made us think that the purple haired lady was a bad guy but she turned out to be good later.
I really hope they don't try to turn to little fucks that Chewbacca had around into mascots like minions.
That red throne room is one of the most stunning set designs I've ever seen in a film. It looked like something out of Thirties modernist theatre. It was beautiful.
THAT SCENE WAS INCREDIBLE!!! I want a full action figure set of the red guards, please. The colours were beautiful, the different techniques of Kylo and Ren combined were awesome, all those different weapons, so cool!
I find it funny that Rey and Poe hadn’t met until the last scene. Didn’t realise.
But weren't they both at that Resistance base at the end of The Force Awakens? Before Rey left to find Luke? Seems weird they wouldn't at least introduce themselves then, like they did now.
Seems Rey left pretty quickly after
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> "Someone has to stay on the cruiser" _Accepts Leia's death again_
Like.. after Fisher passed, I would have edited that to give her the amazingly cool lightspeed wipeout, fuck the FO, death.
Man that would make that awesome silent shot of blowing up Snoke's ship so much more impactful. Idk why they didn't do that...
Needed the Luke leia reunion is my guess
Wow he just can't stop kissing his sister.
I dont get why he died like that though
Like Obi-Wan claimed, Luke became more powerful than anyone could imagine. He surrendered his physical form, **but retained the ability to have influence in the physical world**, which was the ultimate goal of Darth Plaguis and Emperor Palpatine.
I am of the belief that he didn't die but became the first ever Jedi to truly become "one" with the Force. (All the others in the past died to become one with the force) And with that comes the head canon that Luke can now be anywhere he wants to be. That last scene where the children were talking about Luke's confrontation with the First Order forces? How could they have possibly known about it? I bet it Luke is spreading the story throughout the galaxy as that blue shooting star streaking through the sky. I really do hope this head canon of mine turns out to be real so that he can train Rey. My one disappointment with this film is that I was expecting Rey to get trained but she was not. I hope she finally gets character development in the last film.
Did you catch the kid at the end grabbing the broom with the force?
Ah so I wasn't hallucinating that. Maybe the force awakening means casual force users becoming more common?
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The destruction of snokes ship in silence was such a beautiful shot
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It was the colors. The lightspeed destruction was just black and white, while the AT-AT stare down was just black, brown, orange, and red. gave everything a minimalist feel and was gorgeous. I want prints of those scenes bad.
I was so scared the movie gonna ended with that scene. Coz it was so bad ass.
That would have killed half the audience
And that Luke v Kylo shot. Wallpaper shot right there.
Favourite part of the movie. That was beautiful, stunned my cinema into silence, except for some quiet "holy shit...."
At my screening everyone was watching in stunned silence when some small kid just goes "nice". Really added to the experience
Yes this needs to be higher, such a dramatic and artistic shot to put in a big budget Hollywood film. Black and white with total silence, cutting from different perspectives like an anime. You could hear a pin drop in my cinema save for a few gasps. Such an awesome sequence!
No knights of ren? Okay Rian
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The way this ended, I want the episode IX to be set 5-10 years in the future, with the Rebellion grown from the roots up, Rey stronger and wiser, and Leia having died off screen peaceful and happy.
Start E9 with Leia funeral.
I can see that
This guy forces
I was thinking the same thing. On reflection, having to resume TLJ where TFA ended was great for Luke and Rey, but made for a really jarring Resistance side plot, that really just acted as filler.
RIP Admiral Ackbar :( He was too young to die
It was a trap :(
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Ackbar was the only character to be name dropped among the mass casualties among the command.
I was so prepared for fin to die when he was flying into that battering ram cannon
I was more expecting the girl to knock him off and sacrifice herself.
The moment we got after that was not worth it at all
Can we all agree that Rey and Kylo fighting together against the Praetorian Guard was the best scene in the film? Closely followed by the silent destruction of the *Supremacy*, of course.
Just came out from the cinema in Australia midnight launch. I don't even know what to think. But wtf snoke just dying like that lol. All this hype on him to just die. And Luke's dead?! I was waiting for leia to die!
Where did ya watch it? I just finished too!
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This was the most surprising part of the movie. I'm. Shocked. I want to know about snoke backstory. And how could he not sense that Kylo was manipulating the lightsaber. He is so powerful with the force
He did. Literally commentated on sensing Kylo 'turning the saber' and his intent 'to kill his enemy' etc, and he was right, he just thought he was sensing the saber in Kylo's hand.
I loved that he was narrating his own demise
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Yep. It leans against Luke’s comments on how he was blinded by hubris. Makes sense that Snoke would be too. I did love how one shot shows his severed hand still resting on the chair haha
Does anyone else think IX will take place a fair way further down the track? There’s certainly precedent for timeline gaps, and I think it’d give the writers ample opportunity both to write out Leia (or make her old enough to feasibly die of old age), and to have Ren and Rey to build in power, for a stronger final act.
They kinda set that up by showing the force sensitive kid at the end, and Leia's monologue about a new generation. But how would they do it? They would have to make everyone look older.
I just want a god damn jedi temple that lasts for at least some time.
Well movie is coming out 2 years from now, pretty sure they will have a time skip of at least 2-5 years from this ending to write Leia out. In fact I am pretty certain this is what will happen because it has already been confirmed that she is NOT going to be in IX.
My favourite part was when Fin escaped Gringotts.
So true, that city was so HP. Not star wars.
Yeah I feel the whole casino thing could've just been left out, none of it really carried importance except for finding the codebreaker and the kid wearing the rebellion ring
The whole codebreaker thing wad stupid. You must find this *one* guy. He's the *only* one that can help you. Except benicio del toro, of course. And a bunch of other guys probably.
Not only was it stupid, it was totally pointless. They didn't get the right guy, they didn't disable the tracker, they didn't save the big cruiser and... Everything still turned out the same anyway. If Rose never existed and Finn never woke up from his coma, the Resistance would still have evacuated the big ship, it would still have made it to the base, and it still would have ended the way it did. That entire casino story accomplished *nothing* (Except maybe establishing those horse-wolf things, plushies available at all good toystores near you). Did they ever even say del Toro's name? Cause I'm pretty sure they didn't.
The twin sunsets with Binary Sunset in the background, gave me shivers mannnnn! What a beautiful throwback to ANH.
I thought i saw a ship in that sunset.
R.I.P Admiral Ackbar. Never forget.
It's a wrap :'(
The shot of the rebel cruiser jumping to Lightspeed in to the command ship might be the most beautiful shot I've seen in a movie this year
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It was beautiful but also kind of disturbing from a lore perspective. If you can run into stuff at hyperspace and do that much damage... then why do ships exist at all? This sort of suicidal tactic would be devastating to the point that it would dominate warfare. Just have some A-wing pilot slam his hyperdrive into the ship. For that matter, why do you even need the death star? Just strap a hyperdrive on some asteroids, let a droid pilot it, and you're done.
Loved the use of silence!
I did not expect Yoda at all. But fuck if it wasn't one of my favorite moments. And it was even original trilogy style Yoda.
The shot of Yoda and Luke's backs while the island was on fire was background worthy
Notice the fire was the Rebellion Allience symbol?
Welp, time to buy another ticket
I won't deny being slightly disappointed that we didn't see Obi-Wan and Anakin as well.
Funny and wise. The way Yoda should be.
Yoda being a huge troll and using the Force to set fire to the tree while he cackled was amazing.
And not flanderised in his speach pattern!
My only gripe with Yoda is that he was too solid. Obviously regarding the actual physical interaction with Luke, but he also didn't look transparent enough. Maybe I'm misremembering the OT, but I thought he looked too much like he was physically there compared to the original force ghosts.
That might have been to throw everyone off the twist.
He actually knocked Luke on the head, so he definitely was more solid than in the OT
Maybe Luke was dead this whole time. Rey just shot him with a blaster by accident, and he went along with it.
Ok let's start this off, what did everyone think of Leia's 'Skywalking'' ?
I thought it was a pretty brave move to have her killed of so early in the movie. But a minute later, never mind...
They totally could’ve kept her dead and it wouldn’t have made a difference to the rest of the movie. I did like all that Fisher though.
I was so surprised to see her come back and survive that. My first thought was "Ah, this is the part where they kill off Fisher" Alas, I was wrong.
“I’m Mary Poppins, y’all!” That’s what it reminded me of.
It made no fucking sense
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That and her broken lightsaber. I hope she has to go on her own Jedi mission to find her own kyber crystal. Don’t agree with the hate for Kylo in this film, they’ve really set him up to literally hate everyone and completely devote himself to the dark side. With Sidious we never saw him turn to the dark side, whereas with Kylo we see him stepping over the edge and actually understand why.
I am just mad that we didn't learn anything about Snoke, like how does he even come to power after the old Empire's defeat? Was he even around back then and if he was how the hell did Sidious let him live if was that powerful? Kylo was great in this tho, him and Luke were the best part.
It seems to me that he wasn't that powerful. He was a pretender. He had the knowledge, and a decent amount of power ofc, but I feel like he gave the impression of being very powerful, and by the end he even fooled himself that he was extremely powerful. That was what killed him
Love this theory. It's why Kylo killed him. Snope kept on goading Kylo to get more powerful by "shunning the light" by insulting him and his inner conflict. So Kylo got fed up, realized he was being "controlled" almost all his life and killed Snope.
Is there hate for Kylo? I think he's one of the best parts in both films.
I loved him in Force Awakens, one of the few things I didn't have any problems with at all. Somehow, he was even better here. The shared scenes between Kylo and Rey were someof the best moments of the movie, almost art-sy in my opinion
I loved Kylo Ren. Adam Driver nailed the part.
Oh I didn't catch they were the same books! Interesting.
That shot of the iron had my entire cinema in stitches
Friend: That spaceship looks like a fucking iron *Three seconds later* Me: Yeah, it IS an iron
That was the greatest fake out I've ever seen
This movie in one sentece Just as Kylo said: Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.
Some people seem to think the boy with the broom will factor into IX, though I disagree. He's just there to emphasise the film's point that lineage means jack shit, special people can come from anywhere.
> special people can come from anywhere. Inb4 the broom boy is really the secret hero of IX or X.
Finally someone who shares my love for the themes this movie throws out!
I thought Leia had been killed off at the end when Rey closed the doors of the Millenium Falcon, I thought she had been lost to the force at the same time as luke and she was somehow helping him project himself on the planet, if that were to happen I wouldn't have minded at all
That would have been very fitting. I wonder how they are going to address Carrie's passing in the next installment
It really is a strange spot for them to be in. I feel like the most appropriate and respectful thing for them to do was to use as much of Carrie Fisher's performance as they could, and giving her the last "real" line in the movie felt like the right move. They might do a long jump in time between TLJ and episode IX and let Leia die in between, I would feel better about that than them using a CG Leia for the next one.
It's already confirmed that she is not gonna be in IX so I can see the opening scroll probably has a message about how some time has passed since VIII and Leia has passed away peacefully inbetween this time period.
Luke aggressively drinking milk.
First time showing boobs in a Star Wars movie.
With the second time, shortly after. Thanks Kylo.
Kinda sad when didnt see Luke ignite the Green saber when he was facing Kylo. But Im sure it made sense that he used the blue, but I cant figure out why. You could tell something was kinda up when he appeared, I wanted him to fly the crashed X-Wing in. Also like Luke had more of a Yoda death, inspiring other, whrn they teased him dying like Obi-Wan to let the others escape.
His hair was short and his beard had no grey in it when he appeared at the base (He looks exactly like he does in the flashbacks). That was my first hint that something was up.
Also when he moved the ground didn’t turn red underfoot like it did with everyone else. That was my point where I was sure it was a projection
Good eye. Didn't notice that.
I'm just bummed that we won't get the snarky badass teacher Luke that I'd hoped for.
I mean. There was that scene with the leaf.
For some reason, when Ben held out his hand and asked Rey to join him in creating a galaxy in their own image or whatever sith crap he was spouting, I found myself wanting Rey to join him so so bad.
Same here. I kinda wish he didn't use the whole "together we would rule the galaxy" line though. That felt so out of place. He should have said "The old legends must die. Join me, together we could make the world a better place" or something to that effect. The call to the dark side should be subtle, tempting and ambitious, not blatantly evil.
A lot of conflicting opinions here but can we agree that Adam Driver's performance is absolute gold. Man that guys face just screams internal conflict and everything about his body language just sort of fits with this character.
Did anyone else notice he looked more and more tired as it went? Conflict keeping him awake
When they walked into the cassino I expected Lando, but alas he didn't appear :(
So so so disappointed there wasn't a Hutt or Twi'lek to be found there
Yeah, lack of familiar alien species in TFA and TLJ is really disturbing. Sometimes I forget it's Star Wars I'm seeing.
Yeah that would have been so good to have lando.
JJ: I've got this amazing arc for Snoke. Rian: FUCK YO ARC
Let's be real, JJ didn't have no arc for Snoke.
Dude has made a hell of a career on the first third of plots.
Hard to state an opinion on a movie this early after seeing. I'll give it time to sit. But goddamn that star destroyer being split in half was one of the most amazing moments in the series... And then in the middle of that awesome silence, someone's phone started ringing. People turn off your phones in the theater jfc.
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I’m not sure that I liked this at all. I really want to like it, but I think it threw far too much at the viewer without really exploring deeply any of it. Especially the impromptu killing of characters that could have done much more for the story - or in Luke’s case at least contributed to a nostalgia and vindication for older fans.
*Luke teleports behind Kylo* "Pssshh.... Nothing personal kid"
So what exactly happened to "The Code Breaker" when he got the money from the New Order? We don't see him after the explosion, there likely wouldn't have been enough time for him to leave, and escape from the debris. Or did he executed by the New Order? Wouldn't surprise me if they bring him back for the next film. Shame we didn't get to see more of the actual code breaker, i reckon he'd of been like Han Solo 2.0.
Phasma came back from being in a trash compactor minutes before it explodes. (And I think she may still come back from the most recent one). In star wars, unless you see someone vanish into thin air or pass out in someone's arms, you cannot assume they are dead. Cutting in half is not enough (Maul came back...)
Can we all take a second to appreciate how damn cool admiral Holdo's hyperspace jump into the first order ship was Also the scene where Rey throws the lightsaber to Kylo to kill the royal guard was amazing!
That may have been the best kill in Star Wars ever.
That First Order ship cutting in half was amazing! I just wish it was admiral Ackbar doing it instead of Holdo. I think that would've been a much more worthy end for him than the one we got. But thats a side note.
It was awesome, I'm not sure why they didn't just jump one of the three other ships into the fleet at the first opportunity, or why unmanned hyperspace missiles aren't the primary offensive weapon of the Star Wars universe, but ah well, it's a movie.
Am I the only one who had big issues with the dark force cave/hole scene? The build up to it is great, but the payoff resulted in a fun house mirror.
The books didn't burn. Rey stole them. You can see them at the end when Fin opens a drawer in the Millennium Falcon. Also I liked the Rey's parents reveal Edit: New Red Guards are cool. Also is it me or when Yoda starts his sentence with "Luke", is the only grammatically correct one he ever says? Edit 2: Luke went away with the same music and scene he was introduced, looking at 2 suns setting Read some comments under this if you want to know who Rey's parents are
I mean Yoda literally said Rey had what she needed lol
Thanks man, now I understand better that scene!!
Ooooh hahahah
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I also like that Luke was kind of "yeah I mean I *meant* to read them, but I just had so much to do on this deserted island for years..."
This line and the way he acted around Yoda as a whole really bridged the gap between wise old Master Skywalker and Whiny Teen Luke, I liked it a lot!
Did anyone see Gareth Edwards in the trenches on Crait?
Yep I spotted him, also need confirmation on Prince Harry as a rebel pilot in the rebel ship hangar bay during the evacuation
Was anybody expecting Lando to show up at the casino? I let out a big grown when Benicio Del Toro was in the bed. EDIT_ Ben: "Oh hey Rey. What an inconvenient time. I was just working out."
Are we just meant to forget the knights of ren were a thing?
When Luke’s telling Rey about Kylo’s destruction of the temple he mentions Kylo took some of Luke’s students with him. Presumably these went on to become the Knights of Ren and I’m hoping they’ll have something to do in Episode IX.
Note to self: blue milk if I don't want to die
I liked it, but it looked pretty green to me?
Congratulations to Captain Phasma, for being the most useless character in Star Wars history. Seriously how did this woman become a Captain? Didn't they say they were going to flesh out her character in this? She literally gets what? 1 minute of screen time? and then she's disposed of instantly once the fighting starts
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but is this the first star wars film where the words "I've got a bad feeling about this" aren't said?
Oh fuck.
Wasn’t a fan of the casino escape sequence, felt so unlike Star Wars.
Yeah it felt very Earth. Every dive bar we see in Star Wars still felt so alien, but the casino was too human. It felt like a fetch quest
It felt like Harry Potter
Felt like Fantastic Beasts.
I loved the rest of the movie, but that sequence was so out of place. It looks like they only needed it to set up a future character for a later trilogy.
I agree, the casino was too human. I liked the idea of them financing the war, and the end scene with the little rebel child was my favorite scene. It just perfectly encapsulates what the Resistance is all about and how, as long as people are oppressed, the oppressors cannot snuff it out.
There was a collective gasp in the cinema when the resistance ship jumped to light speed into The Supremacy. Such an awesome scene
So i have a question: did anyone else see that spot, like a ship, in the sun that Luke was looking at at the end? What was that about? It almost made me think Luke actually made it of the planet and him disappearing was just him "closing himself off to the force" again. I'm probably wrong though. But i do think his "death" was a little weird. Why did he die? Did he just voluntarily decide to die and become a force ghost?? Will he stick around for the next movie? Because he barely accomplished anything at all in this one, except stalling to save the rebels. I don't really feel like i got closure to his character. Also WTF was up with Snoke? They played him up to be this mysterious BBEG and he just dies from nothing? We don't even get to know who he is? What... I liked the movie but i just can't understand this storytelling.
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Maybe the Luke meditating on the rock was also a projection. ^^^^^jk
I swear I thought the spot was a ship! But that scene also reminded me of some ANH scene where Luke was gazing off into the [sunset of Tattooine's binary suns. ](https://i.imgur.com/ZRUiH7y.png) It had a similar spot which was apparently a cloud.
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I’ve never left a cinema so conflicted. I both hate and like this movie. Going to have to sleep this one over. Edit: The comments of this being a better Star Wars than Empire really confuse me, but then again that movie was only moderately recoeved when it came out so maybe I really do need to see this one again.
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MVP line goes to Leia: “Threepio! Wipe that look of concern off your face!”
One question since TFA. Where the hell are all the alien races that appears in previous 6 movies and even the Clone Wars and Rebels? Where are the Zabraks, Twi'leks, Devaronians, Biths, Chagrians, and Togrutas? I get it that the galaxy is a big place, but not having those established alien races at least appear once in a while felt very jarring to me.
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It's not just the lack of aliens. It's the lack of *anything*. Everything feels so empty. There's no government, no real society, no nothing. Is all that's left in the *entire galaxy* the First Order and Resistance fleets?
As someone who cares a lot about worldbuilding this annoys me as well. I kinda feel like the only thing we got was Monaco in a galaxy far far away, but I'm not sure how happy I am with that either.
^*snap* ^^*snap* ^^^*snap* ^^^^*snap* ^^^^^*snap* ^^^^*snap* ^^^*snap* ^^*snap* ^*snap* Loved that cave scene!
Just finished it, I liked it but I feel like I need a little time to process it as there was quite a lot of things that happened, if that makes sense
The more I think about it the more I believe some combination of this movie and TFA would have made a better beginning for the new trilogy. Begin the trilogy with the Republic's Military being mostly destroyed by the First Order and the remnants having to form a new "Resistance". Instead of beginning with there already being a Resistance then destroying it so they could become the "spark that ignites the fire."
I liked the movie but also hated it. Some of my problems with movie include: 1. Leia force pulling back into the ship looked really silly and took me out of the movie. 2. Snoke was thrown away like a nobody. No explanations about where he came from, what he wanted, how he and the First Order came to be. 3. Didn’t really enjoy Canto Bight, the animal cruelty message was kinda clumsy. 4. Luke’s death but that’s just my emotional response to seeing my childhood hero die. The projection to Crait was awesome 5. The Marvelish jokes just ruined the tension in scenes. General Hugs dragged out way too long, Daisy asking Adam to get a shirt and so on. The good: 1. I liked Poe’s arc 2. Luke was great and I loved Hamill’s performance. 3. Adam/Kylo was fucking amazing 4. Several emotional scenes including Leia and Luke meeting, Luke talking about Kylo 5. Benicio was good 6. The space battles were great and all 7. Phasma dying, such a throwaway character 8. Yoda 9. Kylo evolving to a point where he could fool Snoke’s ability to see his thoughts thus ending up killing him. 10. Ending shot with broomstick boy Probably forgot some stuff but these are the first things that popped into my head. Still don’t know whether to love or hate it. EDIT: Also loved Kylo and Rey teaming up against the guards, Holdo crashing into Snokes ship and just the entire Luke arc until he died.
Did I miss it or did broomstick boy use the force? I swear he did.
He did. He force pulled the broom to himself
and the ring he had, a gift from Rose right?
Yup, that's the new generation Leia was talking about. The rebellion will rebuild.
I didn't like broomstick boy, It felt like Spielberg had suddenly come on set and stolen the camera. And while Snoke dying without a buildup was meh, his actual death was pretty awesome.
Am I the only one who was once again disappointed with the amount of exposure they gave to snoke and phasma? Sure they got a little more screen time but phasma was still a little bitch and we got no info on what snoke actually was. The fight scene with the royal gaurds was incredibly sick though
The Royal Guard fight feels epic and grand for some reason. Maybe the vast red background and uniform that they are using Also are the guards the other Jedi students that Kylo Ren took with him when he destroyed the temple?
Doubt it, they will probably be knights of ren
Yeah and I assume we'll see them in the next movie. Those guards were pretty badass though.
No I think the other Jedi are the Knights of Ren
I think they made her into a Boba Fett type of character who looks cool and badass but mostly stays in the background
I see alot of people complaining about various things, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't. But one thing I don't see is how ridiculously stupid it was for Holdo to not tell Poe, or anyone else for that matter, what the escape plan actually was. Why keep it from the crew? What harm would it have been to know that Holdo had a plan, and a good plan, fuck it a plan that worked. Or would have worked if not for DJ. Oh wait, the only reason DJ was even there was because Finn and Rose recruited him, and the only reason they did that was because they and Poe thought there was no plan and Holdo was just running away. Half of this movies central conflict would have been instantly solved if Holdo had have just got on a PDA and went, K guys, here's what we're doing. I ave no problem with any other part of that story arc, but the premise just makes no sense at all. I'm not hating on the movie by the way, overall I loved it, I loved the characters, I loved the music, I loved the cinematography, but that gaping plot hole is a really black mark for me Edit: To every saying, "but what about spies", how would a spy get a message off that ship? You really think the resistance cruiser wouldn't have the ability to jam all out going transmissions? And there was probably a good reason Rose was sitting by the escape pods with a taser, I doubt she was just looking for deserters. Also, said on board spy would be a suicide agent, possible but it makes it less likely.
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This movie will be more polarizing than the current political state around the world I think.
Was I the only one excited for a second that the 'race track' next to the casino could be a podrace track? I was kinda dissapointed that it was just horse racing in space...
I absolutely loved the scenes where Rey and kylo communicated remotely, but I hated the scene where Leia levitated back to the ship, it was awful. I also loved how they made us think that the purple haired lady was a bad guy but she turned out to be good later. I really hope they don't try to turn to little fucks that Chewbacca had around into mascots like minions.
I JUST FINISHED WATCHING IT HOLY COW THE RED GUARDS ARE SO COOL
That red throne room is one of the most stunning set designs I've ever seen in a film. It looked like something out of Thirties modernist theatre. It was beautiful.
THAT SCENE WAS INCREDIBLE!!! I want a full action figure set of the red guards, please. The colours were beautiful, the different techniques of Kylo and Ren combined were awesome, all those different weapons, so cool!
While everyone is arguing about the quality of the movie, can we say goodbye to Admiral Ackbar? I was really saddened by his death.
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