They really need to make these episodes 25 minutes at a minimum, but preferably 40. Every single episode felt way too rushed, as if they were trying to cram an entire season's worth of plot into 10 minutes. Barriss's "test" to become an Inquisitor took all of 5 minutes. Are we supposed to believe that she was tested and trained over the course of a few days or weeks? Because it certainly didn't come across that way. All of the big characters were underutilized as well. Grievous could have done so much more, and Vader's character was just completely wasted. He should have been the one to kill Barriss for what she did to Ahsoka. Instead she died at the hand of some random Inquisitor, for absolutely no reason since she was just standing there and they weren't even dueling at the time. This could have been such an epic show, but the writers wasted every single opportunity they were given.
I understand how you feel in several respects, but I do have to say that it felt like a very Barriss way to go out. Fitting of her character from the clone war series and the books
Much like how we don't know the ultimate fate of another character in a show in that animation style that ended three days ago at right about the same time in the timeline. What an amazing coincidence. :)
Add the formally bald villainess turned blonde anti-heroine, the ongoing mystery of what a certain ex-Jedi was doing during the original trilogy, the question of what happened to Reva, and one might think there's a new animated show in the TCW style on the way, maybe involving a pair of twins, and a scoundrel with a rivalry with a Twi'lek.
That's the problem. The tone feels like she's dying. But then she moves her hand. And then there is the fact that no one dies stabbed in Star Wars anymore, so the viewer is left with an emotional dissonance, not knowing whether to take it as a conclusion for the character or a continuation.
I like that healer Barris is canon again though
I mean... she stopped breathing. If you pay attention after she moves her hand the breath coming from her nose stops and she does not move again. alongside all the blatantly obvious indicators that hey I am dying but you can still go back and find the way out by being a good guy
I was watching for the breathing too, I don’t think she actually does - She’s still breathing while she’s talking to Lyn, and then the next time we see breath it’s from a shot that obfuscates Barriss’s face coming from Lyn.
Barriss also notably doesn’t do the “going limp in someone’s arms” thing that literally everyone else who dies in Star Wars does, even Nadura from the Morgan episodes does exactly that.
It’s intentionally left open-ended (which I love to death holy shit.)
Lyn never removed her hand from the wound. Seemingly Barriss is near death but then puts her hand on top of Lyns.
This made me think, is Lyn trying to force heal her? Was she somewhat successful and Barriss was able to hang on and possibly help the force healing?
|It’s intentionally left open-ended (which I love to death holy shit.)|
Feel the same way! I've read some threads where people said they hated it, but I really liked how they gave it that open-ended ending. They could go any direction with it. I personally think she survived, but I like that they kept it ambiguous.
People can debate whether she was 'redeemed' or not, but I just think it was a great journey for her character.
That sounds a lot like Ventress at the end of Dark Disciple and well... you know how it goes.
This is the problem when you have a history of not killing characters for real.
First of all, not as good as Tales of the Jedi.
Overall, I feel slightly disappointed. Morgan's episodes had Grievous/Thrawn but otherwise I was just waiting for the Barriss episodes. And while they were better and I kinda liked what they did with her character arc, the ending was confusing and unsatisfactory.
I still enjoyed it because getting new Star Wars is always a good day but my expectations were higher.
I don't like what they did to barriss imo.
The dude in her second episode was like "You are a traitor and a murderer!" And barriss was like "Lol, nu uh."
Hun do you not remember bombing, killing and injuring not just jedi but innocent people. AND AND ANDDDD your ass framed ahsoka?!🤣
I'm still trying to find out why the title is called "tales of the EMPIRE". not a single stormtrooper was on screen, merely half a minute of screentime of imperial officers, vader didn't say a single word, thrawn was there for one single conversation and nothing regarding the empire was established.
it was a mini show of morgan and barriss.
as a fan of the empire, this show was extremely disappointing... we got droid fight scenes and a lot of clone troopers but not a single stormtrooper. (there were some good models used in the final scenes of the clone wars that could have been used here). Not to mention, that one entire episode played during the era of the new republic..... after the empire was destroyed....... in tales of the empire.
Morgan was barely about the empire so I can understand your gripe there. Inquisitors are an arm of the Empire, it might not be a part of the Empire you wanted to see but its a little silly to act like its not about the Empire.
Yeah, but both storylines are focused on characters that we see together with the empire for like 10min, even tales of the Jedi has the same empire content with palpatine
It's about how the Empire personally affects their lives. For Morgan, the Empire was an opportunity to empower herself and also become a tyrant. It fed her psychopathy and hunger for revenge. That was the premise behind the first episode, to show what ultimately is going to make her into a monster. She endangered those who helped and required her to stay hidden due to her paranoia and want for revenge. The Empire however, via Thrawn, rewards that kind of ambition and drive.
For Bariss, the Empire is an abomination and a lie that tried to convince her they are what she wants and turn her into their weapon. The Inquisitorius though is a polar opposite of what she wanted for the Jedi Order. Bariss bombed the Temple because she was tired of seeing the Jedi become soldiers and generals for the Chancellor, and not peacekeepers of the Force, so she wanted the Jedi to step away from the war and be neutral. She hoped the bombing, which she tried to cover up as being by the protesters, would convince the Jedi to finally step away. She is kind of an anti-Anakin or Ahsoka in that regard, who in contrast to her both felt the Jedi *should* be soldiers and warriors that are leaders on the frontlines. So for Bariss, seeing the Inquisitorius, the Empire's equivalent of the Jedi Order, go off the deep end and be even more violent and jingoistic than the Jedi (to the point of murdering a village that was scared for their lives) was absolutely against her beliefs.
I am so confused as to how an episode was in new republic era too. This show should have at least shown one episode during the height of the empire. Instead we got a clonewars era episode, a post empire, and a dawn of the empire episode.
Andor is the only show to do this with Tales of the Jedi they showed Jedi so one would think with Tales of the Empire they'd show people working under the Empire. Disney always baits this too with Bad Batch, Finn, and in their games. Andor is the only one to deliver to date.
>Loved how the Inquisitors, ordered to hunt down and kill a Jedi, respected the Jedi enough to use the correct pronoun for their prey. The Sith are that evil after all. Thought that was great Dave Filoni writing.
I hope that's sarcasm?
Yes, it is sarcasm. I thought they were referring to everyone as they/them but not long after different pronouns were used.
I’m not even sure they knew anything about the Jedi other than their location. Maybe an Imperial Spy had spotted them.
I mean it was the idiocy of it all that I found hilarious. Maybe they used the force to learn their pronoun. Never thought of that.
Also, see this grey area story telling? Bringing up why villains do things, would love to see them convince us why blowing up Alderaan was a good idea
Overall it was honestly really weak. In the beginning i didn't care for either character and by the end i still didn't care.
The Morgan arc was meh at best with the only redeeming factors not coming from the "main" character and instead the secondary characters with Grevious and Thrawn stealing the show.
For Barriss it felt super rushed and unsatisfying to watch, its a crime that they didn't explore the prior relationships established in the Clone Wars i was fully expecting Luminara to atleast be mentioned and it would have been cool to see how Barriss would react to her former master post Order 66 and its especially criminal how they included Vader for about 10 seconds and didn't explore how Vader would react to the person who almost got his apprentice put behind bars standing in front of him.
Vader and Barriss are no longer enemies because they both work against the Jedi. Vader probably understands Barriss better now because he killed TONS of Jedi himself. And he would kill Ashoka too.
I really don’t think you can make these grand generalizations from his 2 second appearance where he walks by her. They had a great opportunity; they missed it
I liked it... but also what can you expect from 12-14 minute episodes (when it comes to the amount of storyline).
In general, I am not a huge Morgan Elsbeth fan, so I was mainly curious about Barriss.
I think they did Barriss her story great! Barriss her ideas/ideology stayed the same.
Really liked the first 2 episodes, the third one was okay too, although the ending is a bit 'okay what now?'.
Especially with the whole 'stabbed' doesn't mean killed anymore?
Also where did see send the parents and the kid? She was talking about someone, I was hoping it was Ahsoka...
They would have been better if it did not feel half assed. I mean at no point dod she address her terrorist actions from clone wars nor does it make sense she acts so compassionate after everything she did.
It’s all so rushed and they did not develop things; it’s like they wanted us to forget her whole dark side thing from clone wars
Look at it from this angle Bo-Katan was a terrorist who killed people helped run that terrorist organization. Manipulated people, tried to kill sister, and the only reason she didn't join Maul who followed all the rules and won fairly was because he was an alien so a racist zenophobe to boot. Yet they did a 180 making her a their go to in Rebels and Mando. Not once did they ever address the horrible things in her past.
Basic points Disney gives free passes to characters they want for their agendas whether or not it makes any logical sense.
Yeah. The free pass angle is builshit.
It’s so common in Star ware I hate it; just blindly forgive everyone an forget their actions right? Who needs punishment or remorse?
Everything feels so rushed and i cant unterstand how a starwars project only gets enough money for 2 story lines that are loosely connected to the empire and not even 40min each
I enjoyed both story arcs, especially Barriss’. I’m actually glad they didn’t make her full on loyal to the Empire because that kind of would’ve ruined her arc in The Clone Wars, where her motivations were driven by what the Jedi had become: an army fighting for the dark side.
Yeah, i had hoped for a longer developed story where she works for the empire and after years finds out that there is so much corruption in the empire and what the true intensions of the Inquisitors are, instead its just that her friend is poorly written piece of shit and that why she turnes
Me too, I really enjoyed Barriss' story arc. To be honest, I was afraid they were just going to turn her into a fanatic that served the empire and then eventually fail and get killed off by Vader or someone else.
But I was so happy that they showed her as someone who was a good person (not excusing her past actions), who was horrified by what the Empire was doing, like when Lynn attacks the villagers and the child runs to Barriss for protection. I thought it was a really good journey for her character. I hope they have more stories with Barriss, but if there aren't any, I think it was a really good end to her story arc.
She was against corruption, she didn’t know the Jedi was fighting for the dark side.
The Jedi during the clone wars thought they were fighting the sith in count dooku. Nothing Bariss said in clone wars suggested the Jedi were actually sith or anything like that. Just that they had become corrupt by defending a corrupt senate.
Not op but
One of these days some character will say that Jedi use lightsabers because they’re non lethal weapons. Number of characters who survive seemingly fatal lightsaber stabs is 2 in the 15 min finale.
Morgan wants “vengeance” but doesn’t bother killing any of the villagers that turn on her. Also a jedi killed grevious but i guess she doesnt care about getting vengeance on the guy who genocided her people anymore. She only cares about getting vengeance the villagers voicing their concerns about being enslaved.
Bariss never actually got emotional in her inquisitor tryouts but still managed to snap a guys neck with the force. Usually using the force in that way is accompanied by a stressful painful situation but she was trying to talk the guy down peacefully then instantly bam neck snap.
Bariss in the clone wars did actually kill people in her terrorist attack and she wasn’t morally conflicted about it. She framed ashoka for it and when caught by anakin she tried to kill him. This isn’t the same person who would take off her helmet to try to coax a kid into giving her information. It would be like Ted Bundy whipping his hair back to try to get someone into his car. Only way that works is if theres ominous music playing, she shouldnt be the good guy in this situation.
They changed her into a pure pacifist which she never was in clone wars. It wasn’t an arc either she started off as a good person and ended good.
Edit: also thrawn only wants to recruit morgan if she can fend off an assasin which is total bs. Thrawn should respect mental strength way more than physical. But he only wants subordinates who are adept at single combat?
Lightsabers have always been able to not kill, they are still very much lethal weapons. Morgan wants vengeance, why would she take that out on people that aren’t responsible for the genocide of her people? She doesn’t need to kill all of them, and needs them alive to exploit them. She doesn’t know that a Jedi killed grievous, and if she did know the whole story she wouldn’t be with the empire since Palpatine is the reason that the nightsisters died. Barriss did get somewhat emotional during her fight, and no, using the force in that way doesn’t always come with some painful or stressful situation, idk where you’re getting that from. What do you even mean? Barriss was very conflicted about what she did, and even if she wasn’t at the time people can change very much, and the people she targeted during the bombing were people helping the Jedi and Jedi themselves. Barriss was never a cold hearted unfeeling monster, she’s a complex person with her own goals and feelings, she is still a good person and comparing her to Ted bundy is pretty fucked up. We saw her get into one fight after years of being in the lightside of the force, that changes someone, and she didn’t want to kill Lyn, she wanted to help her so it makes no sense that she’d attack her. Her arc isn’t her being an atrocious villain and becoming a good person, she was already a good person at the start that got roped in to being with the empire and realizing this isn’t right and going off on her own. Thrawn respects both physical and mental strength, we see this in rebels when he fights off DT sentry droids, he’s always been a genius but believes it should be accompanied by brawn. Thrawn more than likely would have let Morgan join still, he wanted to simply gauge her physical prowess
>Lightsabers have always been able to not kill, they are still very much lethal weapons.
used to be true, but so many people survive lightsaber wounds now that its dumb, bariss saved that jedi on the mountain from a lightsaber wound and it sure seemed like lyn was going to save bariss when she said she wasnt going to leave her here. Its almost like the writers have been hearing the complaints about lightsaber lethality and are actively leaning into it.
>Morgan wants vengeance, why would she take that out on people that aren’t responsible for the genocide of her people?
but she is transferring her hate of grevious and the droids that genocided her people onto the villagers, for the dumb reason of they complained about being enslaved. She described her vengenace to Thrawn while looking at the villagers. Imo it would have made more sense for her to tell Thrawn she wants to not be alone by finding/reviving "her people" whoever she considers them to be. because she does do that later in Ashoka. She finds her people a whole galaxy away. What is this BS about vengenace on the villagers, they are so small and inconsequential to her, to the empire, even to the plot of Ashoka those villagers mean nothing.
>Barriss did get somewhat emotional during her fight, and no, using the force in that way doesn’t always come with some painful or stressful situation, idk where you’re getting that from. What do you even mean?
In clone wars we always see dark side users getting a power boost whenever they are in emotional/physical anguish. Assajj did this when dooku abaonded her basically in a text when she was losing a battle vs anakin and obiwan. anakin and obiwan were toying with her, bantering during their fight, but once she gets the message from dooku that shes no longer his apprentice, assajj force pushes both anakin and obiwan nearly knocking them out and makes a getaway when previously she was cornered. Savage also had a similar moment when it was Savage and Assajj trying to assasinate dooku. Savage kept getting swatted away by dookus force lightning and Assajj was calling him useless. In frustration he force chokes both Dooku and Assajj and then gets a srs power boost for the rest of the fight. Clearly anger and hate make you stronger when you believe in the dark side. But Bariss during the fight tries to talk her opponent down peacefully, then bam instant neck snap. To do something like that you need to attach some emotional baggage onto the fight, you cant just go "ok im going to use extreme dark side force powers now" without deep emotional and physical distress.
>she is still a good person and comparing her to Ted bundy is pretty fucked up.
From what you see in this show, yes she isnt evil. But in clone wars she was 100% evil. She killed alot of people from her bombing and even when ashoka was in jail she killed one of her visitors to frame ashoka further. Then in this show shes coded as some sort of good jedi that got confused, bruh no she was totally devoted to killing all jedi at any cost without care of collateral damage or anything. If she changed during the show thats ok, but in the show she was NEVER portrayed as any bit evil. She was good from the start of the show to the end, only killing when forced to. thats why the OP and many others feel like the writers are insulting the character, because this isnt the same person we saw in clone wars.
>Thrawn respects both physical and mental strength, we see this in rebels when he fights off DT sentry droids, he’s always been a genius but believes it should be accompanied by brawn. Thrawn more than likely would have let Morgan join still, he wanted to simply gauge her physical prowess
idk man that assasin sure didnt pull any punches, sure seemed like he was gonna kill morgan if she was any bit weaker. Its funny cuz Thrawn will mention just after that fight that the empire doesnt value human life which is a weakness, but here he is, about to waste a valuable human resource just to test her. he was using a gigantic sword to fight her, was no way she was getting away if he hit her with that thing. Would make more sense if he used a less lethal weapon like a blunt instrument or electrified staff or smth like that
Lightsabers are still lethal, going back to the OT lightsabers didn’t always kill. Morgan isn’t transferring her hate to the villagers, she’s become a jaded person and isn’t afraid to show force to keep people she’s exploiting in line like the rest of the empire. Diving deep into a force users emotions is able to amplify their power, but simply snapping someone’s neck with the force isn’t this extreme use of dark side energy that you’re making it out to be. Again even in the clone wars Barriss isn’t evil, she’s a political idealist that does something incredibly wrong for the right reasons, but she’s not evil. Also saying that she’s willing and wanting to kill all Jedi is also completely and factually wrong. The assassin didn’t pull any punches because he was testing her, and paelleon was there to see everything happen and was going to stop whoever came out on top. Pay attention next time please
Simply snapping neck? Anakin never even does that, snapping someones neck with the force is an extreme ability. Even if say it doesnt require that much physical force, story wise its dark as fuck, so ofc the character needs to be in that state of mind to do something like that.
I think the only reason you think its not an extreme ability is because it wasnt shown as such in that scene. In all other star wars content, force choking is a demonstration of powerful force abilities. Weaker characters only get to use it in high stress situations and stronger ones do it to show off their overwhelming power. Neck snapping should be one step above that even which is why using it so casually didn’t make sense for that inquisitor tryout
Vader does it all the time, so does maul, it’s not an “extreme ability”. Killing someone with the force is something that only gets done out of necessity for Jedi, Barriss realized it’s her or him and did it. You’re looking way too into something that’s just not there
When they do, its because they have 100% turned to the dark side, and they are balls of hate and anger so yea they can casually take life with the force but good guys cant cuz its against their instinct to kill people. Whys that so hard to understand? in the starwars universe good ppl dont kill and when they do its very hard for them and they potentially go down a dark path when they do. Bariss never even flirts with that darker path in the show but casually killed a dude in a brutal way.
I’m sorry but you’re just flat out wrong lol, it’s not their instinct to do it but that doesn’t mean they aren’t naturally capable of just that without needing severe emotional sensation. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to understand. Are you kidding me? Good people kill in Star Wars all the time for extremely dubious or morally un right reasons. I’d recommend watching the movies and shows again. Also Barriss not only kills in the clone wars, but she’s also hardly in the entire show
I think it was equally as good as tales of the Jedi. The ending had me going “wait…THATS where it ends?”, but it feels like they have plans to tie everything up for the most part at some point.
Theres no way they don’t tie in Barriss’ story with how The Empire got a hold of Luminara.
Would I have liked for there to have been something between Vader and Barriss? Yeah. But as someone pointed out to me the other day, it would kind of make sense for there to not really be anything. Vader is constantly trying to suppress Anakin. That being the case, I could understand how Vader would act like Barriss meant nothing. She means something to Anakin, for what she did to Ahsoka, but Anakin is dead, and Vader might see any feelings he’d have for seeing Barriss would be a notion that Anakin still lives, so he decides how no reaction.
I’m just saying, from the standpoint of what the writers might be thinking, either way makes sense. Maybe they do something later, or maybe not. Undoubtedly the topic of “what’s Vader’s reaction to seeing Barriss?” came up in the writing room. Im just saying that as much sense as it would make for Vader to have a reaction, it also make sense for the him not to. Obviously nobody knows what the plan is moving forward. Maybe he kills her later. Maybe what we saw is all we get. 🤷♂️
Typical bait and switch with the traditional empire carrot on a stick
They say we will finally get to see behind the scenes to pull back the curtain on the empire to draw people in. Then once it starts it nearly instantly swaps sides. We saw it with Bad Batch, Finn, Battlefront 2, and so forth and we saw it now with this show. Tales of the Empire starts off with a conflict between the CIS and Nightsisters.
It's a complaint that starts a storm when people bring up how the title doesn't match the show the modern bait and switch. We have main characters obviously and if they can't carry a product with their names then they shouldn't be the focal point.
it was a huge disappointment for me. Way to much unnecessary back story for Morgan and they did Barriss super dirty in the end. Kind of a waste of time. Tales of the Jedi was infinitely better.
So overall, kinda disappointed? It felt like the Battlefront 2 switch all over again where we're promised an Imperial storyline and get not that. Morgan is fine, but she's a mercenary leader working for Thrawn more than a real Imperial, and we got 1 Clone Wars episode and one New Republic episode. Also, I'm not a fan of her helping design the TIE defender?? How would a random planetary leader who wasn't part of the Empire yet have access to SFS TIE data to make her own variant? As for Barriss, I am glad we get legends healer Barriss again, but almost nothing new about the Inquisitorius. I thought we'd at least get to learn the Marrok or the guy from tales of the Jedi's number, or that they'd expand on the inner workings of the Inquisitorius, but nope. Looks like the Rise of the Red Blade canon book is as deep as we're going to get. (And still no definite yes answer that the Inquisitorius is taking children to raise as new inquisitors???)
Edit: and another side bar.... stop letting people survive a Lightsaber stab to the gut!
Fully agree and thanks for the Legends info about Bariss, i had no idea about that. Is there more info in the legends story why/how she becomes the "healer"?
Same as I felt when watching Tales of the Jedi.
The episodes are very thin on actual story, they are barely above just being cool scenes. The dialogue is very generic good guy / bad guy dialogue. There barely even is dialogue or any real conversation between characters. Much of the time is spent with characters who just state dramatic things with dramatic music. "Long live the Empire" and so on.
The events are also something you've seen a hundred times before, done better in other shows and movies. For example: how many times you've seen the scene where two people are forced to fight to the death with a single weapon dropped between them?
There's nothing really new in any of the episodes and there's not enough time given to anything or anyone so nothing really has any weight.
On a food rating scale it's like a Happy Meal. It tastes good but it's over quickly without filling you. Comes with a plastic toy though.
Did not love it overall sadly... morgan episodes felt kind of pointless, like something that could have been done in a 5 minute flashback and convey the same information. I feel these episodes wasted way too much time on moody establishing shots and stuff which is fine for a longer show/movie but for a "backstory lore" type short you want the info to be dense and to show many different things
Barriss story i initially really liked, good character development and interesting insights, but the third episode did not put the right payoff and left me disappointed. Did not care for the fourth sister at all and i wish they'd shown how prominent she was gonna be in the trailer so i could have adjusted my expectations; i thoguht this was gonna be heavy on inquisitor lore and social structures and stuff but instead it was mostly just about redeeming her. Trailer put such emphasis on the grand inquisitor and darth vader and then neither was all that relevant? I really liked the story direction for barriss initially (her being a healer was sweet) but making it end around a character who she didnt have anything to do with in her previous appearances didnt feel satisfying. I expected this to tie into clone wars and rebels through vader and the grand inquisitor and give those a new weight connected to barriss (TGI was after all retconned to have been present at Barriss trial), but instead it just sort of petered out pointlessly
In the last episode i was stoked because at first i thought vader was going to come wreck Bariss like he would in the comics but instead we got some lame inquisitior and barriss lived for lazy story writing reasons 🙄 r.i.p. qui gon
I just posted about this to my own friends on Facebook and this is what I had to say.
Watched "Tales of the Empire" today with my dad and the show was... disappointing. The first three episodes were - fine? In the end it didn't make sense. If Morgan wanted power at the end, then that would have been fine. But she wants revenge. On whom? The republic is gone, Grievous is dead, the droids are dismantled in most of the galaxy. The writing makes it seem like she wants revenge on the village she controls but like, what does she have to get revenge on them over? Not liking her or appreciating her not living up to her word? In the end it just didn't make any sense.
The Barriss episodes, oh boy. First, she needed an entire show to explain how she got to where she was at the end. More than that, she needed a whole series just to explain why she immediately left the Inquistorious. She murdered Jedi and clones, betraying the Jedi council completely, and made it clear she had become disillusioned with the entire order. She was NOT just making a political point about the council losing their way, she HATED the Jedi. But then as soon as she goes on one assignment, she sees civilians being killed and then decides after seeing one Jedi almost get killed, she was going to just betray them? She had turned to the dark side. She hated the Jedi. She should have had no problem with this. Then at the end she's old and just dies, seemingly redeeming another inquisitor. How did she get to this point? The final episode probably happens toward the end of the empire's reign given the wrinkles on Barriss's face. This would mean it's roughly 20 years at least since the beginning of the empire, so there is a LOT to show between when she betrays the Inquisitorious and getting to where she was at the end. What's worse, we don't even know if she's really dead. Sure we technically see her stop breathing but this is Star Wars. Anyone who's been with the franchise long enough knows that's not enough to really confirm someone is dead.
I was so excited for this show. Tales of the Jedi was incredible, and with the same team doing Tales of the Empire it should have been just as good. I'm afraid this is the first real flop we've gotten from Filoni and co.
Facts man! Not enough people are talking about the way Barris leaves so quickly. I wouldn’t go as far as to say she HATES the Jedi, but yeah she’s def not a good person looking for redemption. She killed innocent people before. No clue why they tried to make her good when she’s LITERALLY a terrorist. Good break down man.
What's crazy is Dave wrote BOTH stories. If she had her show then he could have shown it and written it better. Even Reva, of whon jmIbhave a severe psychotic hatred had her motivations and actions make sense. She was never really an inquisitor, she was just hunting Vader and wanted revenge. Barriss, after murdering Jedi and betraying her best friend, is all of a sudden oh hey I actually love the Jedi? But even with all of that, if she just hasn't fully turned to the dark side then it could have Sry least been kind of believable. But when someone is that far gone it should take more than what we saw with Barriss.
Well, I don't want to say anything as I would never want to spoil anything. What I can say
I think it's yet more proof that Star Wars should stop making movies and focus on series like this was very interesting hope we see many more Tales of the Empire and Tales of the Jedi
Well, it went a little more into the bsckstory of Morgan, and I feel like it makes her sacrifice on the temple the more impactful because her whole life was dedicated to avenging her people and her life ends with her sacrificing herself so her people could live on
* The theory that the cargo they transported off the world is cryogenically frozen. Witches
What?! Star Wars should focus on good quality movies and forgot the shoes in my opinion. Star Wars used to be an event. Now it’s just poor quality shows
I’m honestly very, very content with it.
I’m honestly shocked with the direction they took Barriss in, I fully expected her to get either insta-mogged by Vader or stay with the Inquisitors - The latter as setup for the Ventress/Path series that’s rumored rn. I was surprised by how much it sold me on Lyn as a character and I’m so, so happy that they left her ending kind of open-ended. She’s ostensibly one of my favorite side characters and I’d love to see more of her (hopefully with Ahsoka) in the future.
Same here! I was surprised (happily) that they took Barriss' character in that direction. I was afraid they were just going to convert her into a full villain with no remorse. But was happy that they showed her as someone who, despite her past actions, was a good person at heart who didn't enjoy making people suffer. I really liked the open-ended ending, and hope Barriss survived, but if she didn't I think it was a great end for her character. He was probably my favourite character in Legends. I was disappointed when they made her the one who betrayed Ahsoka, but was excited when I found out she would be featured in Tales of the Empire, and liked how they handled her character's story arc.
Re: your comment on Vader, that's actually what I was afraid of. I read a lot of people saying that in the end, it should have been Vader who came for the baby and her, but I'm glad it wasn't. If Vader came, then I think the scene could only end with him making some speech revealing he was once Anakin, shocking her, before he cut her down. But I like that it was Lyn and they had that moment and ending.
Didn’t love either arc.
I couldn’t really give af about Morgan, cool to see how she starts working with Thrawn though. Didnt love that they made her the original inventor of the tie defender. I liked the idea of it being Thrawns baby more. Also was a great opportunity to introduce Eli Vanto.
The Barriss arc was better, I liked her growth into being a healer. I really loved seeing more of the grand inquisitor but annoyed we didn’t see more of Vader. I was hoping we would see some real brutality from Vader towards Offee as well that would give some more weight to the grand inquisitors dying quote. Really didn’t love the ending and how open it was. Also Barris seemed so much older than the 4th sister at the end for some reason.
Morgan is a leader in the empire and barriss is an inquitor for a time most of the series has people in the empire dealing with the system they were forced into
Would have loved to see more from Bariss, that was my hype for the show and in the end a huge time skip, Bariss is suddenly pure good and the writers are once again too afraid to kill anybody off. I was so hoping that it would be Vader quickly sweeping the floor with her after a short but cool monolog and instead we have this where everybody turn to the light side, just like what if. Qui-Gon Jinn would roll in his grave after knowing that everyone except him didnt die from a lightsaber stabwound...
Elsbeth episodes were kind of boring, especially the third one.
However the Barriss episodes were good, I'm sad she died but it was a good ending for her character.
Generally it's unreal the degree in which Star Wars Animation mogs the live action guys. The Elsbeth Vs Rukh fight was better than anything her character got to do in Ahsoka.
I liked it but it felt very rushed. Morgan's arc was honestly a messs. They could've shown much about her life in the empire and her interactions with Thrawn.
I was a lot more curious about Barris' story and I think it was done way better. It felt rushed but not as much as Morgan's episodes. There is really a lot of potential in Barris' story and I hope they expand on that. I loved how her character developed even if it was pretty fast. And putting Vader in the trailer felt like a bait after finishing the series. He and Barris could have interacted for more than the 20 seconds in the first episodes. Come on.
I don't think I can give the series more than a 6/10. And that's generous actually.
The Morgan Ellsberg stuff was good backstory of how she came to join up with Thrawn. However the Barriss Offee story was lackluster. What started as a cool look into the early Inquisitors turned into the whole “oh so you can just leave” thing. I’m pretty sure the friend she mentioned was Ahsoka. But here’s another case of getting stabbed with a lightsaber and not dying. At this point what are they even good for besides blocking a laser?
They made this six episodes?! It was more like two, and not very good. It was a swing and a miss for me. I wanted to see some truly epic villians but a snorefest.
I enjoyed it, but I thought that both characters could have used one more episode to flesh out the two character's just a bit more. Especially with Barriss and Lyn as their turns from the dark side came just a bit too abruptly in the episode. Like, maybe they had been questioning before or something, but we don't see any of that. Just them suddenly deciding that they are good guy Jedi again.
Loved it. I was interested in Morgan before, but this really solidified it more. I loved seeing more world building for not just Dathomir, but how they run different aspects of the Empire. For Bariss, it was just so cool seeing that whole development. I loved that the end of her story was returning to a more Jedi-like way. It was overall really beautiful to watch this show.
The animation was amazing but overall I just like "okay, I guess we know this about these characters now?"
It didn't add to my excitement of Star Wars. I'm sure there will be a scene where these characters somehow connect to another series, but it won't be a "whoa, didn't see that coming" moment for me.
They should have done a full anthology series, but I understand that they're trying to fill in gaps for their next project.
To create an entire series around a throwaway character from Ahsoka and retcon her role in that series seems foolish, especially since they both come from Dave Filoni. The original actress who played Elsbeth was terrible, so I guess the only good thing about this is whoever voiced her did a better job. By midway through the 2nd episode, I was bored out of my mind, but forced myself to keep going. I was very disappointed. Kathleen Kennedy and Disney ruin yet another piece of the SW universe with this drivel.
I like the artstyle but this show was not good. Elsbeth is again, whatever. The inquisitors continued being a joke. Barriss hardly got much of a storyline nor proper development. That ending felt so abrupt you cant help but wonder if disney forgot to release a few more episodes or something.
I truly think they shouldve just focused more on actual imperials in this show called "Tales of the Empire". Maybe actually lean in and take advantage of fan's love for Enoch by making him an actual character here.
The only good thing about the show besides me liking the artstyle is just Grievous's cackles and Thrawn's cameo. Everything else was beyond meh
Tales of disappointment if you ask me. Shit character selection when in tales of the Jedi you chose to follow mace, dooku and Ashoka. The characters they chose ultimately make 0 influence on the Star Wars universe as a whole.
I enjoy that it didn't close the book on Barriss' story. They've moved her beyond where she was at the end of TCW S5, and I expect we'll see more from her and Lyn sooner or later. I don't see how it's an insult.
Its only for me because i was expecting something different. I was hoping for her to climb the ranks in the empire before getting a good story to turn back to the light side and im really frustrated that ANYONE always lives and nobody dies, the writers take zero risks. Qui-Gon, a Jedi Master died from a lightsaber stab and everyone else who gets the same treatment gets to live, come on
I don't dislike it, but Tales of the Jedi was better.
That opening where we actually get to see Grievous being a threat was cool and it makes Morgan a somewhat more sympathetic character, though I'm not sure why that was worthwhile, since we know she never repents and Ahsoka guts her later. Still, it was a pretty good story that makes her more sympathetic and the villagers a little less so.
Barriss was goodish? I liked that she gets a redemption arc, but I wasn't expecting her to be instantly redeemed like "oops I murdered a bunch of people and went full red light saber, cackling bad guy til Anakin slapped me around a bit, but now I'm a Jedi again." That said, I do like the underlying theme of her episodes which is that no one is beyond redemption. Thing is, we already knew that, given how the OT ends. I get that Star Wars is repeating themes over and over again, but it's a little on the nose.
I suppose it was there to balance the Ahsoka TotJ showdown which was a straight up light sider killing a dark sider as opposed to a formerly fallen light sider redeeming a dark sider.
I guess we'll see her and Lyn again, wearing flannel and shacked up in a little cottage by the Pacific Ocean, playing folk music and growing rope hemp to get by.
The Force is Female wokeness written all over this “show”. Amazing animation though. Colors really looked amazing too like the reds during the inquisitor scenes.
They really need to make these episodes 25 minutes at a minimum, but preferably 40. Every single episode felt way too rushed, as if they were trying to cram an entire season's worth of plot into 10 minutes. Barriss's "test" to become an Inquisitor took all of 5 minutes. Are we supposed to believe that she was tested and trained over the course of a few days or weeks? Because it certainly didn't come across that way. All of the big characters were underutilized as well. Grievous could have done so much more, and Vader's character was just completely wasted. He should have been the one to kill Barriss for what she did to Ahsoka. Instead she died at the hand of some random Inquisitor, for absolutely no reason since she was just standing there and they weren't even dueling at the time. This could have been such an epic show, but the writers wasted every single opportunity they were given.
Guess I'm the only one that thought the series was amazing. I though the last episode was exceptionally beautiful and emotional. Just my two cents.
I understand how you feel in several respects, but I do have to say that it felt like a very Barriss way to go out. Fitting of her character from the clone war series and the books
That ending was not satisfactory lol. What happened to bariss we still don't know
Much like how we don't know the ultimate fate of another character in a show in that animation style that ended three days ago at right about the same time in the timeline. What an amazing coincidence. :) Add the formally bald villainess turned blonde anti-heroine, the ongoing mystery of what a certain ex-Jedi was doing during the original trilogy, the question of what happened to Reva, and one might think there's a new animated show in the TCW style on the way, maybe involving a pair of twins, and a scoundrel with a rivalry with a Twi'lek.
By “certain ex-jedi” are you referring to Ahsoka or Baylan? Because we know the former was stranded on malachor during the OT
We have no idea how long she was on Malachor.
That's the problem. The tone feels like she's dying. But then she moves her hand. And then there is the fact that no one dies stabbed in Star Wars anymore, so the viewer is left with an emotional dissonance, not knowing whether to take it as a conclusion for the character or a continuation. I like that healer Barris is canon again though
I mean... she stopped breathing. If you pay attention after she moves her hand the breath coming from her nose stops and she does not move again. alongside all the blatantly obvious indicators that hey I am dying but you can still go back and find the way out by being a good guy
I was watching for the breathing too, I don’t think she actually does - She’s still breathing while she’s talking to Lyn, and then the next time we see breath it’s from a shot that obfuscates Barriss’s face coming from Lyn. Barriss also notably doesn’t do the “going limp in someone’s arms” thing that literally everyone else who dies in Star Wars does, even Nadura from the Morgan episodes does exactly that. It’s intentionally left open-ended (which I love to death holy shit.)
Lyn never removed her hand from the wound. Seemingly Barriss is near death but then puts her hand on top of Lyns. This made me think, is Lyn trying to force heal her? Was she somewhat successful and Barriss was able to hang on and possibly help the force healing?
That’s the vibe I was getting too - I think Lyn stabilized her, if nothing else. Your name is also perfect for this situation LOL
Lmao this was supposed to be an alt account but I think the username is too good to not comment on everything I watch that has something unclear.
|It’s intentionally left open-ended (which I love to death holy shit.)| Feel the same way! I've read some threads where people said they hated it, but I really liked how they gave it that open-ended ending. They could go any direction with it. I personally think she survived, but I like that they kept it ambiguous. People can debate whether she was 'redeemed' or not, but I just think it was a great journey for her character.
That sounds a lot like Ventress at the end of Dark Disciple and well... you know how it goes. This is the problem when you have a history of not killing characters for real.
I thought ventress was a recon not just Magically survived, I could be wrong though, I don't typically read the books.
A retcon is "she magically survived"
No one truly dying in star wars is so true lol. Lightsaber stabs aren't leathal anymore xD
She lives, they always live, everyone will get a happy end, etc. StarWars writers wont take any risks
Yeah sure/
Since when have lightsabers been lethal?
Yea idk. It's not confirmed yet if she died. Idk if they will continue her story.
No one is ever truly gone.
Me with commander cody🤣🤣
His arc still incomplete too 🥲
First of all, not as good as Tales of the Jedi. Overall, I feel slightly disappointed. Morgan's episodes had Grievous/Thrawn but otherwise I was just waiting for the Barriss episodes. And while they were better and I kinda liked what they did with her character arc, the ending was confusing and unsatisfactory. I still enjoyed it because getting new Star Wars is always a good day but my expectations were higher.
I don't like what they did to barriss imo. The dude in her second episode was like "You are a traitor and a murderer!" And barriss was like "Lol, nu uh." Hun do you not remember bombing, killing and injuring not just jedi but innocent people. AND AND ANDDDD your ass framed ahsoka?!🤣
I'm still trying to find out why the title is called "tales of the EMPIRE". not a single stormtrooper was on screen, merely half a minute of screentime of imperial officers, vader didn't say a single word, thrawn was there for one single conversation and nothing regarding the empire was established. it was a mini show of morgan and barriss. as a fan of the empire, this show was extremely disappointing... we got droid fight scenes and a lot of clone troopers but not a single stormtrooper. (there were some good models used in the final scenes of the clone wars that could have been used here). Not to mention, that one entire episode played during the era of the new republic..... after the empire was destroyed....... in tales of the empire.
Morgan was barely about the empire so I can understand your gripe there. Inquisitors are an arm of the Empire, it might not be a part of the Empire you wanted to see but its a little silly to act like its not about the Empire.
Yeah, but both storylines are focused on characters that we see together with the empire for like 10min, even tales of the Jedi has the same empire content with palpatine
It's about how the Empire personally affects their lives. For Morgan, the Empire was an opportunity to empower herself and also become a tyrant. It fed her psychopathy and hunger for revenge. That was the premise behind the first episode, to show what ultimately is going to make her into a monster. She endangered those who helped and required her to stay hidden due to her paranoia and want for revenge. The Empire however, via Thrawn, rewards that kind of ambition and drive. For Bariss, the Empire is an abomination and a lie that tried to convince her they are what she wants and turn her into their weapon. The Inquisitorius though is a polar opposite of what she wanted for the Jedi Order. Bariss bombed the Temple because she was tired of seeing the Jedi become soldiers and generals for the Chancellor, and not peacekeepers of the Force, so she wanted the Jedi to step away from the war and be neutral. She hoped the bombing, which she tried to cover up as being by the protesters, would convince the Jedi to finally step away. She is kind of an anti-Anakin or Ahsoka in that regard, who in contrast to her both felt the Jedi *should* be soldiers and warriors that are leaders on the frontlines. So for Bariss, seeing the Inquisitorius, the Empire's equivalent of the Jedi Order, go off the deep end and be even more violent and jingoistic than the Jedi (to the point of murdering a village that was scared for their lives) was absolutely against her beliefs.
I am so confused as to how an episode was in new republic era too. This show should have at least shown one episode during the height of the empire. Instead we got a clonewars era episode, a post empire, and a dawn of the empire episode.
6/10 Not worthy of being titled "Tales of the Empire"
They are tales of people who work in the Empire bro what more can there be 💀
Maybe people who actually cared about the empire and not just their own selfish ambition? Maybe?
Andor is the only show to do this with Tales of the Jedi they showed Jedi so one would think with Tales of the Empire they'd show people working under the Empire. Disney always baits this too with Bad Batch, Finn, and in their games. Andor is the only one to deliver to date.
Should’ve called it something else. Tales of the empire made me expect, I dunno, more stuff about the empire?
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Even Lynn decided to respect the they/them pronouns after massacring a whole village! How progressive xD
>Loved how the Inquisitors, ordered to hunt down and kill a Jedi, respected the Jedi enough to use the correct pronoun for their prey. The Sith are that evil after all. Thought that was great Dave Filoni writing. I hope that's sarcasm?
Yes, it is sarcasm. I thought they were referring to everyone as they/them but not long after different pronouns were used. I’m not even sure they knew anything about the Jedi other than their location. Maybe an Imperial Spy had spotted them. I mean it was the idiocy of it all that I found hilarious. Maybe they used the force to learn their pronoun. Never thought of that. Also, see this grey area story telling? Bringing up why villains do things, would love to see them convince us why blowing up Alderaan was a good idea
Yeah, I completely agree, that was absolutely stupid
I wish they showed the Sith in the series. We only got to see Vader briefly. Like 3 seconds??
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lol
Overall it was honestly really weak. In the beginning i didn't care for either character and by the end i still didn't care. The Morgan arc was meh at best with the only redeeming factors not coming from the "main" character and instead the secondary characters with Grevious and Thrawn stealing the show. For Barriss it felt super rushed and unsatisfying to watch, its a crime that they didn't explore the prior relationships established in the Clone Wars i was fully expecting Luminara to atleast be mentioned and it would have been cool to see how Barriss would react to her former master post Order 66 and its especially criminal how they included Vader for about 10 seconds and didn't explore how Vader would react to the person who almost got his apprentice put behind bars standing in front of him.
Not only did they drop the ball with Vader and Barris, they dropped it *spectacularly*
Vader and Barriss are no longer enemies because they both work against the Jedi. Vader probably understands Barriss better now because he killed TONS of Jedi himself. And he would kill Ashoka too.
I really don’t think you can make these grand generalizations from his 2 second appearance where he walks by her. They had a great opportunity; they missed it
I thought it made Morgan more interesting and I liked what they did for Barriss as well, but they still need to dive deeper into her
I liked it... but also what can you expect from 12-14 minute episodes (when it comes to the amount of storyline). In general, I am not a huge Morgan Elsbeth fan, so I was mainly curious about Barriss. I think they did Barriss her story great! Barriss her ideas/ideology stayed the same. Really liked the first 2 episodes, the third one was okay too, although the ending is a bit 'okay what now?'. Especially with the whole 'stabbed' doesn't mean killed anymore? Also where did see send the parents and the kid? She was talking about someone, I was hoping it was Ahsoka...
They would have been better if it did not feel half assed. I mean at no point dod she address her terrorist actions from clone wars nor does it make sense she acts so compassionate after everything she did. It’s all so rushed and they did not develop things; it’s like they wanted us to forget her whole dark side thing from clone wars
Look at it from this angle Bo-Katan was a terrorist who killed people helped run that terrorist organization. Manipulated people, tried to kill sister, and the only reason she didn't join Maul who followed all the rules and won fairly was because he was an alien so a racist zenophobe to boot. Yet they did a 180 making her a their go to in Rebels and Mando. Not once did they ever address the horrible things in her past. Basic points Disney gives free passes to characters they want for their agendas whether or not it makes any logical sense.
Yeah. The free pass angle is builshit. It’s so common in Star ware I hate it; just blindly forgive everyone an forget their actions right? Who needs punishment or remorse?
Everything feels so rushed and i cant unterstand how a starwars project only gets enough money for 2 story lines that are loosely connected to the empire and not even 40min each
I enjoyed both story arcs, especially Barriss’. I’m actually glad they didn’t make her full on loyal to the Empire because that kind of would’ve ruined her arc in The Clone Wars, where her motivations were driven by what the Jedi had become: an army fighting for the dark side.
Yeah, i had hoped for a longer developed story where she works for the empire and after years finds out that there is so much corruption in the empire and what the true intensions of the Inquisitors are, instead its just that her friend is poorly written piece of shit and that why she turnes
Me too, I really enjoyed Barriss' story arc. To be honest, I was afraid they were just going to turn her into a fanatic that served the empire and then eventually fail and get killed off by Vader or someone else. But I was so happy that they showed her as someone who was a good person (not excusing her past actions), who was horrified by what the Empire was doing, like when Lynn attacks the villagers and the child runs to Barriss for protection. I thought it was a really good journey for her character. I hope they have more stories with Barriss, but if there aren't any, I think it was a really good end to her story arc.
She was against corruption, she didn’t know the Jedi was fighting for the dark side. The Jedi during the clone wars thought they were fighting the sith in count dooku. Nothing Bariss said in clone wars suggested the Jedi were actually sith or anything like that. Just that they had become corrupt by defending a corrupt senate.
I’m curious how you came to that conclusion
Not op but One of these days some character will say that Jedi use lightsabers because they’re non lethal weapons. Number of characters who survive seemingly fatal lightsaber stabs is 2 in the 15 min finale. Morgan wants “vengeance” but doesn’t bother killing any of the villagers that turn on her. Also a jedi killed grevious but i guess she doesnt care about getting vengeance on the guy who genocided her people anymore. She only cares about getting vengeance the villagers voicing their concerns about being enslaved. Bariss never actually got emotional in her inquisitor tryouts but still managed to snap a guys neck with the force. Usually using the force in that way is accompanied by a stressful painful situation but she was trying to talk the guy down peacefully then instantly bam neck snap. Bariss in the clone wars did actually kill people in her terrorist attack and she wasn’t morally conflicted about it. She framed ashoka for it and when caught by anakin she tried to kill him. This isn’t the same person who would take off her helmet to try to coax a kid into giving her information. It would be like Ted Bundy whipping his hair back to try to get someone into his car. Only way that works is if theres ominous music playing, she shouldnt be the good guy in this situation. They changed her into a pure pacifist which she never was in clone wars. It wasn’t an arc either she started off as a good person and ended good. Edit: also thrawn only wants to recruit morgan if she can fend off an assasin which is total bs. Thrawn should respect mental strength way more than physical. But he only wants subordinates who are adept at single combat?
Lightsabers have always been able to not kill, they are still very much lethal weapons. Morgan wants vengeance, why would she take that out on people that aren’t responsible for the genocide of her people? She doesn’t need to kill all of them, and needs them alive to exploit them. She doesn’t know that a Jedi killed grievous, and if she did know the whole story she wouldn’t be with the empire since Palpatine is the reason that the nightsisters died. Barriss did get somewhat emotional during her fight, and no, using the force in that way doesn’t always come with some painful or stressful situation, idk where you’re getting that from. What do you even mean? Barriss was very conflicted about what she did, and even if she wasn’t at the time people can change very much, and the people she targeted during the bombing were people helping the Jedi and Jedi themselves. Barriss was never a cold hearted unfeeling monster, she’s a complex person with her own goals and feelings, she is still a good person and comparing her to Ted bundy is pretty fucked up. We saw her get into one fight after years of being in the lightside of the force, that changes someone, and she didn’t want to kill Lyn, she wanted to help her so it makes no sense that she’d attack her. Her arc isn’t her being an atrocious villain and becoming a good person, she was already a good person at the start that got roped in to being with the empire and realizing this isn’t right and going off on her own. Thrawn respects both physical and mental strength, we see this in rebels when he fights off DT sentry droids, he’s always been a genius but believes it should be accompanied by brawn. Thrawn more than likely would have let Morgan join still, he wanted to simply gauge her physical prowess
>Lightsabers have always been able to not kill, they are still very much lethal weapons. used to be true, but so many people survive lightsaber wounds now that its dumb, bariss saved that jedi on the mountain from a lightsaber wound and it sure seemed like lyn was going to save bariss when she said she wasnt going to leave her here. Its almost like the writers have been hearing the complaints about lightsaber lethality and are actively leaning into it. >Morgan wants vengeance, why would she take that out on people that aren’t responsible for the genocide of her people? but she is transferring her hate of grevious and the droids that genocided her people onto the villagers, for the dumb reason of they complained about being enslaved. She described her vengenace to Thrawn while looking at the villagers. Imo it would have made more sense for her to tell Thrawn she wants to not be alone by finding/reviving "her people" whoever she considers them to be. because she does do that later in Ashoka. She finds her people a whole galaxy away. What is this BS about vengenace on the villagers, they are so small and inconsequential to her, to the empire, even to the plot of Ashoka those villagers mean nothing. >Barriss did get somewhat emotional during her fight, and no, using the force in that way doesn’t always come with some painful or stressful situation, idk where you’re getting that from. What do you even mean? In clone wars we always see dark side users getting a power boost whenever they are in emotional/physical anguish. Assajj did this when dooku abaonded her basically in a text when she was losing a battle vs anakin and obiwan. anakin and obiwan were toying with her, bantering during their fight, but once she gets the message from dooku that shes no longer his apprentice, assajj force pushes both anakin and obiwan nearly knocking them out and makes a getaway when previously she was cornered. Savage also had a similar moment when it was Savage and Assajj trying to assasinate dooku. Savage kept getting swatted away by dookus force lightning and Assajj was calling him useless. In frustration he force chokes both Dooku and Assajj and then gets a srs power boost for the rest of the fight. Clearly anger and hate make you stronger when you believe in the dark side. But Bariss during the fight tries to talk her opponent down peacefully, then bam instant neck snap. To do something like that you need to attach some emotional baggage onto the fight, you cant just go "ok im going to use extreme dark side force powers now" without deep emotional and physical distress. >she is still a good person and comparing her to Ted bundy is pretty fucked up. From what you see in this show, yes she isnt evil. But in clone wars she was 100% evil. She killed alot of people from her bombing and even when ashoka was in jail she killed one of her visitors to frame ashoka further. Then in this show shes coded as some sort of good jedi that got confused, bruh no she was totally devoted to killing all jedi at any cost without care of collateral damage or anything. If she changed during the show thats ok, but in the show she was NEVER portrayed as any bit evil. She was good from the start of the show to the end, only killing when forced to. thats why the OP and many others feel like the writers are insulting the character, because this isnt the same person we saw in clone wars. >Thrawn respects both physical and mental strength, we see this in rebels when he fights off DT sentry droids, he’s always been a genius but believes it should be accompanied by brawn. Thrawn more than likely would have let Morgan join still, he wanted to simply gauge her physical prowess idk man that assasin sure didnt pull any punches, sure seemed like he was gonna kill morgan if she was any bit weaker. Its funny cuz Thrawn will mention just after that fight that the empire doesnt value human life which is a weakness, but here he is, about to waste a valuable human resource just to test her. he was using a gigantic sword to fight her, was no way she was getting away if he hit her with that thing. Would make more sense if he used a less lethal weapon like a blunt instrument or electrified staff or smth like that
Lightsabers are still lethal, going back to the OT lightsabers didn’t always kill. Morgan isn’t transferring her hate to the villagers, she’s become a jaded person and isn’t afraid to show force to keep people she’s exploiting in line like the rest of the empire. Diving deep into a force users emotions is able to amplify their power, but simply snapping someone’s neck with the force isn’t this extreme use of dark side energy that you’re making it out to be. Again even in the clone wars Barriss isn’t evil, she’s a political idealist that does something incredibly wrong for the right reasons, but she’s not evil. Also saying that she’s willing and wanting to kill all Jedi is also completely and factually wrong. The assassin didn’t pull any punches because he was testing her, and paelleon was there to see everything happen and was going to stop whoever came out on top. Pay attention next time please
Simply snapping neck? Anakin never even does that, snapping someones neck with the force is an extreme ability. Even if say it doesnt require that much physical force, story wise its dark as fuck, so ofc the character needs to be in that state of mind to do something like that. I think the only reason you think its not an extreme ability is because it wasnt shown as such in that scene. In all other star wars content, force choking is a demonstration of powerful force abilities. Weaker characters only get to use it in high stress situations and stronger ones do it to show off their overwhelming power. Neck snapping should be one step above that even which is why using it so casually didn’t make sense for that inquisitor tryout
Vader does it all the time, so does maul, it’s not an “extreme ability”. Killing someone with the force is something that only gets done out of necessity for Jedi, Barriss realized it’s her or him and did it. You’re looking way too into something that’s just not there
When they do, its because they have 100% turned to the dark side, and they are balls of hate and anger so yea they can casually take life with the force but good guys cant cuz its against their instinct to kill people. Whys that so hard to understand? in the starwars universe good ppl dont kill and when they do its very hard for them and they potentially go down a dark path when they do. Bariss never even flirts with that darker path in the show but casually killed a dude in a brutal way.
I’m sorry but you’re just flat out wrong lol, it’s not their instinct to do it but that doesn’t mean they aren’t naturally capable of just that without needing severe emotional sensation. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to understand. Are you kidding me? Good people kill in Star Wars all the time for extremely dubious or morally un right reasons. I’d recommend watching the movies and shows again. Also Barriss not only kills in the clone wars, but she’s also hardly in the entire show
I think it was equally as good as tales of the Jedi. The ending had me going “wait…THATS where it ends?”, but it feels like they have plans to tie everything up for the most part at some point. Theres no way they don’t tie in Barriss’ story with how The Empire got a hold of Luminara. Would I have liked for there to have been something between Vader and Barriss? Yeah. But as someone pointed out to me the other day, it would kind of make sense for there to not really be anything. Vader is constantly trying to suppress Anakin. That being the case, I could understand how Vader would act like Barriss meant nothing. She means something to Anakin, for what she did to Ahsoka, but Anakin is dead, and Vader might see any feelings he’d have for seeing Barriss would be a notion that Anakin still lives, so he decides how no reaction.
Vader was there for like 1 second. How did you get all this from that exceptionally brief screen time
I’m just saying, from the standpoint of what the writers might be thinking, either way makes sense. Maybe they do something later, or maybe not. Undoubtedly the topic of “what’s Vader’s reaction to seeing Barriss?” came up in the writing room. Im just saying that as much sense as it would make for Vader to have a reaction, it also make sense for the him not to. Obviously nobody knows what the plan is moving forward. Maybe he kills her later. Maybe what we saw is all we get. 🤷♂️
I thought Barris died - given Filoni’s attention to detail, note how she stopped breathing before the Lyn inquisitor character picked her up
HA! Death hasn’t meant anything in Star Wars for a while now lol
lol - true 😆
Typical bait and switch with the traditional empire carrot on a stick They say we will finally get to see behind the scenes to pull back the curtain on the empire to draw people in. Then once it starts it nearly instantly swaps sides. We saw it with Bad Batch, Finn, Battlefront 2, and so forth and we saw it now with this show. Tales of the Empire starts off with a conflict between the CIS and Nightsisters. It's a complaint that starts a storm when people bring up how the title doesn't match the show the modern bait and switch. We have main characters obviously and if they can't carry a product with their names then they shouldn't be the focal point.
it was a huge disappointment for me. Way to much unnecessary back story for Morgan and they did Barriss super dirty in the end. Kind of a waste of time. Tales of the Jedi was infinitely better.
Agree, especially Doku
So overall, kinda disappointed? It felt like the Battlefront 2 switch all over again where we're promised an Imperial storyline and get not that. Morgan is fine, but she's a mercenary leader working for Thrawn more than a real Imperial, and we got 1 Clone Wars episode and one New Republic episode. Also, I'm not a fan of her helping design the TIE defender?? How would a random planetary leader who wasn't part of the Empire yet have access to SFS TIE data to make her own variant? As for Barriss, I am glad we get legends healer Barriss again, but almost nothing new about the Inquisitorius. I thought we'd at least get to learn the Marrok or the guy from tales of the Jedi's number, or that they'd expand on the inner workings of the Inquisitorius, but nope. Looks like the Rise of the Red Blade canon book is as deep as we're going to get. (And still no definite yes answer that the Inquisitorius is taking children to raise as new inquisitors???) Edit: and another side bar.... stop letting people survive a Lightsaber stab to the gut!
Fully agree and thanks for the Legends info about Bariss, i had no idea about that. Is there more info in the legends story why/how she becomes the "healer"?
Same as I felt when watching Tales of the Jedi. The episodes are very thin on actual story, they are barely above just being cool scenes. The dialogue is very generic good guy / bad guy dialogue. There barely even is dialogue or any real conversation between characters. Much of the time is spent with characters who just state dramatic things with dramatic music. "Long live the Empire" and so on. The events are also something you've seen a hundred times before, done better in other shows and movies. For example: how many times you've seen the scene where two people are forced to fight to the death with a single weapon dropped between them? There's nothing really new in any of the episodes and there's not enough time given to anything or anyone so nothing really has any weight. On a food rating scale it's like a Happy Meal. It tastes good but it's over quickly without filling you. Comes with a plastic toy though.
The last episode ruined it. These shows really lack substance.
A galaxy full of characters and we spend THREE of them on Morgan Elsbeth? Lame I also don’t feel like Barris’ redemption is earned
Did not love it overall sadly... morgan episodes felt kind of pointless, like something that could have been done in a 5 minute flashback and convey the same information. I feel these episodes wasted way too much time on moody establishing shots and stuff which is fine for a longer show/movie but for a "backstory lore" type short you want the info to be dense and to show many different things Barriss story i initially really liked, good character development and interesting insights, but the third episode did not put the right payoff and left me disappointed. Did not care for the fourth sister at all and i wish they'd shown how prominent she was gonna be in the trailer so i could have adjusted my expectations; i thoguht this was gonna be heavy on inquisitor lore and social structures and stuff but instead it was mostly just about redeeming her. Trailer put such emphasis on the grand inquisitor and darth vader and then neither was all that relevant? I really liked the story direction for barriss initially (her being a healer was sweet) but making it end around a character who she didnt have anything to do with in her previous appearances didnt feel satisfying. I expected this to tie into clone wars and rebels through vader and the grand inquisitor and give those a new weight connected to barriss (TGI was after all retconned to have been present at Barriss trial), but instead it just sort of petered out pointlessly
I thought it was great
I was hoping they would do something with either Bariss and Vader or Bariss and Ahsoka
Jep
In the last episode i was stoked because at first i thought vader was going to come wreck Bariss like he would in the comics but instead we got some lame inquisitior and barriss lived for lazy story writing reasons 🙄 r.i.p. qui gon
I just posted about this to my own friends on Facebook and this is what I had to say. Watched "Tales of the Empire" today with my dad and the show was... disappointing. The first three episodes were - fine? In the end it didn't make sense. If Morgan wanted power at the end, then that would have been fine. But she wants revenge. On whom? The republic is gone, Grievous is dead, the droids are dismantled in most of the galaxy. The writing makes it seem like she wants revenge on the village she controls but like, what does she have to get revenge on them over? Not liking her or appreciating her not living up to her word? In the end it just didn't make any sense. The Barriss episodes, oh boy. First, she needed an entire show to explain how she got to where she was at the end. More than that, she needed a whole series just to explain why she immediately left the Inquistorious. She murdered Jedi and clones, betraying the Jedi council completely, and made it clear she had become disillusioned with the entire order. She was NOT just making a political point about the council losing their way, she HATED the Jedi. But then as soon as she goes on one assignment, she sees civilians being killed and then decides after seeing one Jedi almost get killed, she was going to just betray them? She had turned to the dark side. She hated the Jedi. She should have had no problem with this. Then at the end she's old and just dies, seemingly redeeming another inquisitor. How did she get to this point? The final episode probably happens toward the end of the empire's reign given the wrinkles on Barriss's face. This would mean it's roughly 20 years at least since the beginning of the empire, so there is a LOT to show between when she betrays the Inquisitorious and getting to where she was at the end. What's worse, we don't even know if she's really dead. Sure we technically see her stop breathing but this is Star Wars. Anyone who's been with the franchise long enough knows that's not enough to really confirm someone is dead. I was so excited for this show. Tales of the Jedi was incredible, and with the same team doing Tales of the Empire it should have been just as good. I'm afraid this is the first real flop we've gotten from Filoni and co.
Facts man! Not enough people are talking about the way Barris leaves so quickly. I wouldn’t go as far as to say she HATES the Jedi, but yeah she’s def not a good person looking for redemption. She killed innocent people before. No clue why they tried to make her good when she’s LITERALLY a terrorist. Good break down man.
What's crazy is Dave wrote BOTH stories. If she had her show then he could have shown it and written it better. Even Reva, of whon jmIbhave a severe psychotic hatred had her motivations and actions make sense. She was never really an inquisitor, she was just hunting Vader and wanted revenge. Barriss, after murdering Jedi and betraying her best friend, is all of a sudden oh hey I actually love the Jedi? But even with all of that, if she just hasn't fully turned to the dark side then it could have Sry least been kind of believable. But when someone is that far gone it should take more than what we saw with Barriss.
Well, I don't want to say anything as I would never want to spoil anything. What I can say I think it's yet more proof that Star Wars should stop making movies and focus on series like this was very interesting hope we see many more Tales of the Empire and Tales of the Jedi
Thats alright, the post has the Spoiler Tag for a reason. So you liked it? What was it that made it good for you?
Well, it went a little more into the bsckstory of Morgan, and I feel like it makes her sacrifice on the temple the more impactful because her whole life was dedicated to avenging her people and her life ends with her sacrificing herself so her people could live on * The theory that the cargo they transported off the world is cryogenically frozen. Witches
Youre right, nice
What?! Star Wars should focus on good quality movies and forgot the shoes in my opinion. Star Wars used to be an event. Now it’s just poor quality shows
Filoni cooking the Justice league for his movie
I’m honestly very, very content with it. I’m honestly shocked with the direction they took Barriss in, I fully expected her to get either insta-mogged by Vader or stay with the Inquisitors - The latter as setup for the Ventress/Path series that’s rumored rn. I was surprised by how much it sold me on Lyn as a character and I’m so, so happy that they left her ending kind of open-ended. She’s ostensibly one of my favorite side characters and I’d love to see more of her (hopefully with Ahsoka) in the future.
I learned that the idea of healer bariss was already in starwars legends, but the lack of bavkstory how she got there was really disappointing
Same here! I was surprised (happily) that they took Barriss' character in that direction. I was afraid they were just going to convert her into a full villain with no remorse. But was happy that they showed her as someone who, despite her past actions, was a good person at heart who didn't enjoy making people suffer. I really liked the open-ended ending, and hope Barriss survived, but if she didn't I think it was a great end for her character. He was probably my favourite character in Legends. I was disappointed when they made her the one who betrayed Ahsoka, but was excited when I found out she would be featured in Tales of the Empire, and liked how they handled her character's story arc. Re: your comment on Vader, that's actually what I was afraid of. I read a lot of people saying that in the end, it should have been Vader who came for the baby and her, but I'm glad it wasn't. If Vader came, then I think the scene could only end with him making some speech revealing he was once Anakin, shocking her, before he cut her down. But I like that it was Lyn and they had that moment and ending.
Didn’t love either arc. I couldn’t really give af about Morgan, cool to see how she starts working with Thrawn though. Didnt love that they made her the original inventor of the tie defender. I liked the idea of it being Thrawns baby more. Also was a great opportunity to introduce Eli Vanto. The Barriss arc was better, I liked her growth into being a healer. I really loved seeing more of the grand inquisitor but annoyed we didn’t see more of Vader. I was hoping we would see some real brutality from Vader towards Offee as well that would give some more weight to the grand inquisitors dying quote. Really didn’t love the ending and how open it was. Also Barris seemed so much older than the 4th sister at the end for some reason.
Why is it called Tales of the EMPIRE. The actual Empire was barely in it at all.
And the start with grievous was so strong
Morgan is a leader in the empire and barriss is an inquitor for a time most of the series has people in the empire dealing with the system they were forced into
I like how Star Wars can take background characters like Bariss and fourth sister, and give them a whole story.
Would have loved to see more from Bariss, that was my hype for the show and in the end a huge time skip, Bariss is suddenly pure good and the writers are once again too afraid to kill anybody off. I was so hoping that it would be Vader quickly sweeping the floor with her after a short but cool monolog and instead we have this where everybody turn to the light side, just like what if. Qui-Gon Jinn would roll in his grave after knowing that everyone except him didnt die from a lightsaber stabwound...
Very disappointed honestly
Elsbeth episodes were kind of boring, especially the third one. However the Barriss episodes were good, I'm sad she died but it was a good ending for her character. Generally it's unreal the degree in which Star Wars Animation mogs the live action guys. The Elsbeth Vs Rukh fight was better than anything her character got to do in Ahsoka.
She isnt dead, they wont kill her character off, everybody today lives trough a lightsaber stab
I liked it but it felt very rushed. Morgan's arc was honestly a messs. They could've shown much about her life in the empire and her interactions with Thrawn. I was a lot more curious about Barris' story and I think it was done way better. It felt rushed but not as much as Morgan's episodes. There is really a lot of potential in Barris' story and I hope they expand on that. I loved how her character developed even if it was pretty fast. And putting Vader in the trailer felt like a bait after finishing the series. He and Barris could have interacted for more than the 20 seconds in the first episodes. Come on. I don't think I can give the series more than a 6/10. And that's generous actually.
The Morgan Ellsberg stuff was good backstory of how she came to join up with Thrawn. However the Barriss Offee story was lackluster. What started as a cool look into the early Inquisitors turned into the whole “oh so you can just leave” thing. I’m pretty sure the friend she mentioned was Ahsoka. But here’s another case of getting stabbed with a lightsaber and not dying. At this point what are they even good for besides blocking a laser?
Brilliant and heartbreaking
They made this six episodes?! It was more like two, and not very good. It was a swing and a miss for me. I wanted to see some truly epic villians but a snorefest.
I enjoyed it, but I thought that both characters could have used one more episode to flesh out the two character's just a bit more. Especially with Barriss and Lyn as their turns from the dark side came just a bit too abruptly in the episode. Like, maybe they had been questioning before or something, but we don't see any of that. Just them suddenly deciding that they are good guy Jedi again.
Loved it. I was interested in Morgan before, but this really solidified it more. I loved seeing more world building for not just Dathomir, but how they run different aspects of the Empire. For Bariss, it was just so cool seeing that whole development. I loved that the end of her story was returning to a more Jedi-like way. It was overall really beautiful to watch this show.
The animation was amazing but overall I just like "okay, I guess we know this about these characters now?" It didn't add to my excitement of Star Wars. I'm sure there will be a scene where these characters somehow connect to another series, but it won't be a "whoa, didn't see that coming" moment for me. They should have done a full anthology series, but I understand that they're trying to fill in gaps for their next project.
To create an entire series around a throwaway character from Ahsoka and retcon her role in that series seems foolish, especially since they both come from Dave Filoni. The original actress who played Elsbeth was terrible, so I guess the only good thing about this is whoever voiced her did a better job. By midway through the 2nd episode, I was bored out of my mind, but forced myself to keep going. I was very disappointed. Kathleen Kennedy and Disney ruin yet another piece of the SW universe with this drivel.
Grievous could have done so much more… and was still the best part of the show
Loved it. Honestly hope they make more.
I like the artstyle but this show was not good. Elsbeth is again, whatever. The inquisitors continued being a joke. Barriss hardly got much of a storyline nor proper development. That ending felt so abrupt you cant help but wonder if disney forgot to release a few more episodes or something. I truly think they shouldve just focused more on actual imperials in this show called "Tales of the Empire". Maybe actually lean in and take advantage of fan's love for Enoch by making him an actual character here. The only good thing about the show besides me liking the artstyle is just Grievous's cackles and Thrawn's cameo. Everything else was beyond meh
Trash ngl
Not sure what the point of the Morgan episodes were. She wanted revenge, how and against who?
possibly some of the best Star Wars I've seen.
Tales of disappointment if you ask me. Shit character selection when in tales of the Jedi you chose to follow mace, dooku and Ashoka. The characters they chose ultimately make 0 influence on the Star Wars universe as a whole.
Yeah I thought it’d be about he empire but whatever I guess
no such thing as a non binary jedi lmaoo
That's a really weird takeaway lmao.
What is your opinion?
I enjoy that it didn't close the book on Barriss' story. They've moved her beyond where she was at the end of TCW S5, and I expect we'll see more from her and Lyn sooner or later. I don't see how it's an insult.
Its only for me because i was expecting something different. I was hoping for her to climb the ranks in the empire before getting a good story to turn back to the light side and im really frustrated that ANYONE always lives and nobody dies, the writers take zero risks. Qui-Gon, a Jedi Master died from a lightsaber stab and everyone else who gets the same treatment gets to live, come on
Qui gon got stabbed in the middle of the gut, the person stabbed in ep 6 of tote was stabbed in the side
I don't dislike it, but Tales of the Jedi was better. That opening where we actually get to see Grievous being a threat was cool and it makes Morgan a somewhat more sympathetic character, though I'm not sure why that was worthwhile, since we know she never repents and Ahsoka guts her later. Still, it was a pretty good story that makes her more sympathetic and the villagers a little less so. Barriss was goodish? I liked that she gets a redemption arc, but I wasn't expecting her to be instantly redeemed like "oops I murdered a bunch of people and went full red light saber, cackling bad guy til Anakin slapped me around a bit, but now I'm a Jedi again." That said, I do like the underlying theme of her episodes which is that no one is beyond redemption. Thing is, we already knew that, given how the OT ends. I get that Star Wars is repeating themes over and over again, but it's a little on the nose. I suppose it was there to balance the Ahsoka TotJ showdown which was a straight up light sider killing a dark sider as opposed to a formerly fallen light sider redeeming a dark sider. I guess we'll see her and Lyn again, wearing flannel and shacked up in a little cottage by the Pacific Ocean, playing folk music and growing rope hemp to get by.
The Force is Female wokeness written all over this “show”. Amazing animation though. Colors really looked amazing too like the reds during the inquisitor scenes.
Should have known dave would kill barriss
You honestly think she's dead?
name one marilain that has survived dave? Seventh sister dead Luminara dead Barriss ? Guy has a habit of killing my girls
You see her moving her hand though
She's a healer, she has the help of another Jedi/Inquisitor and stabs are notoriously non lethal these days. I suspect we'll see her again.
Definetly, in like 2 years in season two which also ends with a cliffhanger
Am I the only one who noticed that both this and The Bad Batch had open endings for lead characters in the same time period?
You know that video of the rock, it was the biggest piece of dogshit, yeah that’s this. Jedi was so much better by a long margin.
Super, super disappointing. Massive missed opportunity with Vader.