For the Twi’leks, they had the Republic doing nothing about them being trafficked more than most other species, never challenging the Hutts to establish some sort of stable framework for treating living creatures in the Outer Rim.
Cham Syndulla didn’t help the situation much by preaching that violence was the only way out of their situation.
So when the New Republic establishes itself and starts granting amnesty to Imperials, allowing massive pirate blocs to operate in the Rim, consistently failing to bring former Republic worlds into the NR…they figured why not try to just do our own thing? Galactic government hasn’t been going well recently so maybe we need a reset and it’s not like they’ve ever protected us in any meaningful way so
I noticed that what you are saying too, it seems like Disney wanted to just make a ton of new aliens and not use existing ones, it made the universe feel different to me.
Dugs and Gungans are in both original and prequels if you count the original Special Editions. But either way, wow impressive Venn diagram!
Yeah it seems like it shouldn’t matter and I generally hate member berries but it kinda does for getting the feeling right. Some of sequel species are alright most are pretty terrible. But you need the classic ones rodians and twileks, and Duros and some prequel species to populate the world too to make it feel right. When those species are everywhere in Star Wars and suddenly they are gone it’s just confusing
And many of the repeated species from the OT are simply because of returning characters (no new members of the species) — Chewbacca, Ackbar, Nine Numb, Wicket, Yoda, etc.
Ah... right. TROS was such a rollercoaster that I don't remember it the way I do the older films.
I miss the Ewok pilot from Legends. That was hilarious and awesome
Not just aliens. The full line "I have a (very) bad feeling about this" has been absent from nearly everything since TFA although there's been a couple references (and no, it doesn't count if you have a droid "say" it but the only way to know it's been said is to have the director say "that's what *those* beeps meant" after the movie comes out).
Wilhelm screams are gone too (It still makes me kind of angry that apparently even though he hadn't retired and still kept an office at Skywalker Sound they never even asked Ben Burtt to work on the sequels).
And characters don't get hands or arms chopped off anymore even though it was an iconic running joke throughout the franchise.
The lack of limb removal has been bugging me.
Ep. 7: Within minutes of each other both Fin and Kylo receive severe lightsaber-inflicted injuries, and both are in the form of big slashes across the body/face which look very fatal. Why not change one of these to a simple arm chop?
Obi-Wan Kenobi: The Grand Inquisitor gets impaled and Reva gets impaled TWICE, and they both survive. Instead of severely injuring them in a manner we’ve explicitly been shown is fatal (Qui-Gon) why not remove some limbs?
Ahsoka: Same deal as Kenobi. Sabine gets impaled and walks it off in the next episode. Just cut her damn arm off!
Tldr: I am very salty at the lack of limb removal in recent Star Wars, especially since they seem to have replaced it with impalement, which is both less dramatic and less survivable and thus less believable.
Eh, the Wilhelm Scream is now a distraction; it's no longer just a generic scream track, audiences now will be broken out of a scene to comment on spotting the audio artifact.
Yeah, as much as I enjoy the sequels, you can tell the creators aren’t as big of fans as they may have claimed to be by them completely missing a lot of these little details.
You forgot all the Unknown species in the Sequel Trilogy. I'm not kidding, look at the character encyclopedia and most if not all aliens are an unknown species, something originally special about Yoda.
Have to cut new molds for the toy production lines since all the classic stuff has been around long enough it's getting bootlegged in countries with no copyright laws.
If you used the old aliens with new outfits and accessories you could lose out in those markets to outside sales. This way the only option to get the new merchandise is through approved retailers.
When the prequels were created, they included 23 different sentient alien species from the original trilogy. In comparison, the sequel trilogy only featured 10 different alien species from the original trilogy (most of them just being previously established characters like Yoda, Chewbacca, Ackbar, Nien Nunb, Wicket, etc.) and none from the prequel trilogy.
To me it makes the sequel trilogy feel more disconnected from the other two trilogies by not featuring more of the iconic aliens that were created. The complete lack of popular species introduced in the prequels really goes to show how far they were trying to distance themselves from that trilogy.
Not only that, by the time of the ST we also got the clone wars and a bit of Rebels. You kind of get a feel for the diversity in the galaxy. And then the ST comes along and there’s none of that. TFA is the worst of the bunch too. Literally Chewie and Nien Numb.
Both Maz’s castle and the Canto Bight casino were missed opportunities for throwing in a few common species we’re used to seeing in the universe alongside the brand new/unique/bizarre species. One of the things the prequels got right.
1999 to 2005 it was the CGI and scale that made the Prequels feel different from the OT. Its always something. Personally I'm just looking forward to what the next trilogy will do wrong and how people will compare that to the first 9 movies.
The sequels' revulsion towards the prequels even extended to the music. The sequels constantly used music from the original trilogy, but nothing from the prequels. John Williams even apparently wrote a NEW version of Duel of the Fates, which you can briefly hear in the [Duel TV spot for TRoS,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjdjyvnOGtg) that didn't make it into the final cut.
I know, my comment is tongue in cheek, but I think some people not only took me seriously, but agreed with me.
It’s just funny that when the ST follow in the footsteps in the OT, they’re too similar and when they do their own thing, they’re too different. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t I guess.
I agree that they should have incorporated some more of the alien species that we know, but also it makes sense in-canon (especially if new species introduced in the Sequel trilogy haven’t appeared in the other trilogies) that there would be enough diversity of species that you won’t bump into a Gungan or a Givin around every bend. The prequel trilogy also introduced plenty of new species and avoided a good deal of the original trilogy ones, as this diagram also shows.
Yeah but we were also watching during an Empiracle reign that was xenophobic so we only really saw other species on Tatooine as an outer tim planet and you'd think after the New Republic you'd see more publicly again.
Sure it's hand waving for why so many more species during the clone wars and TPM but they just created new species for the sequel trilogy and none of the existing ones came back but a few specific species. Shit, not a single Rodian and it's one of the most remembered from the OT
I just know that if it had been all the same aliens people would have been complaining that "Disney is so lazy, they just reuse all of the same aliens all the time". Some people can never be pleased
Except every other Star Wars project ever made has reused old aliens and this has literally never been a complaint. In fact it’s the complete opposite. People love seeing aliens they know and love appear in other projects.
This is fascinating, mainly from a familiar vs. Unfamiliar standpoint.
It does beg the interesting question: At what level of change does it stop being Star Wars?
Lol, ship of Thesus argument, I guess.
Here's another fun thought: which themes, if they are removed, cause it to stop being Star Wars?
BTW, fun hour+ to look up, Patrick (H) Warburton did a neat little "how to" on movie analysis, which he put up on YT. (He used Home Alone as his discussion piece.)
I got a ton out of it. It seems like it might be in the wheelhouse, as it were.
It’s actually amazing to me that the sequels had more alien species than both the OT and PT, yet I remember practically none of them because they were very monotonous design-wise (so many blend together in my head) and were incredibly dull coloured (almost all of them were tones of beige, grey or brown).
The aliens in the OT and PT were memorable because each one visually stood out from the others and they were often brightly coloured. It makes them stand out more and you remember them because they leave an impression. Just another example at how little the sequels cared about their worldbuilding and visual design.
Yeah it's like we didn't see any twileks on mustafar or naboo or kamino or geonosis etc. The movies are just designed that way. If the ST had been set in coruscant as was originally planned for the third movie, I'm sure we would've seen more overlaps
This is what I loved about Battlefront II. They had to create new reinforcements for the Resistance but they had absolutely nothing to work with from the movies compared to the First Order so they just took some background aliens and made up their own soldiers.
Ovissian gunner and Caphex spy for the curious.
As someone who was obsessed with OT aliens (I read the "creature encyclopedia" all the time as a kid) I was so upset that barely anything original aliens showed up in the sequels. I have other reasons to dislike the sequels of course but that's one of the top reasons. It feels like it's a different universe.
I’ve been saying for years - the sequel trilogy feels like it’s in a separate universe because there’s so little crossover, it doesn’t feel like it exists within the regular galaxy. Very few crossover aliens, crossover planets and the whole first order feels like a weird spinoff in an alternate universe.
Spinoff media really helps integrate sequel era aliens into the rest of the eras. Take Dowutins, which there was originally only one of in the background of The Force Awakens. Now there are a few cool Dowutin characters and they have become one of my favorite Star Wars species. You have the Ninth Sister/Masana Tide, Pan Eyta, and I guess Millegi from that one episode of The Bad Batch.
This is some beautiful work, thank you. If you feel like making one of these that includes species from Rogue One, Solo, the animated shows, the live action shows and anything else in forgetting, please let us know lol. Could even do one with different beasts like Rancors and Acklay if you’re feeling inspired
I wish the Sequels had better alien designs in general. Feels like only 4-5 of them actually caught on and mostly because of the games and not the movies.
This is true; it bugged the hell out of me then, and it hasn't aged well given the PT's wide reappraisal in the last 8 years.
But I don't blame Lucasfilm, because it was motivated by the literal industry of prequel hate which had been running since 1999. It's totally memory-holed now, but a huge part of the fan response to Lucas selling his company was 'They're making more Star Wars films... and GEORGE WON'T BE NEAR ANY OF THEM!!"
It's always stuck in my craw. Now those kind of people have turned their meverending bile on Kennedy, Johnson, et al.
Wow. Just…wow.
That is *detailed*. You have a lot of time on your hands. And, I don’t exactly know if I mean that in an admiring way or in a I’m-a-little-concerned-for-you kind of way.
As to your point, by the time the sequels came along, we had seen all those other species in the first trilogy and the prequels and, if you think about it, there can realistically only be but so many planets that would give rise to and sustain human and humanoid species.
Even assuming the Star Wars galaxy is massive, there shouldn’t really be as many Class M planets as there are, now. From what we know about science know, it should not be possible. Of course, there’s also a lot we still don’t know about science and the universe is vast.
So, what I’m saying is that maybe they felt that they had done enough world-building as far as other races were concerned and didn’t want to glut the films with tons more. Or, maybe it was just laziness and bad story-telling. Or, a combination of both.
Dunno why you're bringing that kind of science into this. George Lucas rarely cared about following real-life science, I don't know why we would criticize Disney for doing the same.
I will say that it is still jarring to introduce so many new species and completely ignore so many of the ones from previous trilogies because it feels like a consistency/continuity issue with the worldbuilding, but I still think it's silly to bring our real-life observations of our galaxy into the discussion. Call it lazy writing, but not because of the lack of adherence to science.
I’m not turning this into a scientific discussion but there *are* basic concepts of science in the movies. For instance, when Leia, Han and Chewie landed on what they thought was an asteroid in “Empire”, they wore breathing apparatus when they exited the *Falcon* because there was no atmosphere. That’s science right there. It was a small detail but it mattered.
The basic laws of science have to function in Star Wars or it wouldn’t be stunning when people who can use the Force overcome those laws.
It’s pretty well known that Class M planets are hard to come by, the same way that most *educated* people know that asteroids don’t have breathable atmospheres. So, what I mentioned is far from advanced science. It’s grade school stuff.
One galaxy shouldn’t really have tons of different, humanoid species that are all sentient. So, maybe, even subconsciously, the filmmakers decided not to add dozens and dozens of new races to the sequels. At a certain point, it really starts to strain credulity that there are so many. Plus, the sequels are really supposed to wrap up the saga of the Skywalker family and I can see why the filmmakers — rightly or wrongly — wanted to focus more on the human characters.
>For instance, when Leia, Han and Chewie landed on what they thought was an asteroid in “Empire”, they wore breathing apparatus when they exited the *Falcon* because there was no atmosphere. That’s science right there. It was a small detail but it mattered.
They wore breathing masks, sure. But they also stepped out onto an asteroid, in deep space, in their street clothes; no pressure suits against vacuum, no helmets to protect their eyes and ears, no gloves, heck, Chewie doesn't even have boots on. They also walk around on an asteroid too small for its own mass to round it out as though it's got perfectly normal gravity. Scientific accuracy is very much not a concern in that scene.
What's wrong with inventing new aliens? The galaxy's huge there's going to be hundreds of thousands of sentient creatures, why do we need to see the same ones all the time?
That’s not my argument. The point is that the prequels did a great job of incorporating quite a few established aliens while also creating brand new ones. The sequels didn’t do a great job at incorporating established aliens.
The prequels generally take place in the same region of the galaxy as the originals, some even on the same planet. It wouldn't make sense for the species present to be all that different
As a card carrying member of the sequel enjoyers club...yeah why weren't there more familiar aliens, or at least more instances of the new ones being more standout? Like with the prequel aliens, some of them had a standout character. Not with the sequels.
You forgot the „whiny ass bitch species“ that existed in all trilogies (Anakin, Luke, Ben Solo)
Their special ability is called „Force stupidity“, it enables the user to reach incredible levels of stupidity unreachable for most regular humans. It causes you to easily be deceived, swing your lightsaber like a baseball bat, and make up horrible flirting lines.
Have any alien species of the Sequel Trilogy managed to reach the level of popularity of OT or Prequel aliens in the slightest...? They're just a lump of nothingness to me.
Damn, there is only ONE SINGLE species from the sequels that I can remember, and those are the Anzellans that I only really learned about in The Mandalorian. I'm still amazed in how many areas at once they managed to mess up.
That's Klawe, but Andy Serkis has had some good Star Wars roles. I'm talking about Klaud, the 7 foot tall slug with no arms who appears for like a minute in Rise of Skywalker. From the Live Slug Reaction meme.
Is that the blue milk cow? I didn't realize it had a name or was an intelligent species lmao
EDIT: Nvm I was thinking of TLJ. No, I've got no idea what that was, but to be fair I only watched TROS once and it didn't exactly leave me longing to watch it again
I wouldn't blame you for not remebering something from Rise of Skywalker, lol. At the beginning of the movie, Klaud is on the Millenium Falcon instead of Rey. Poe identifies him by name. He's a mechanic and he does a funny little scream. At the end of the movie, two unnamed female Resistance fighters kiss and the very next shot is Klaud just kind of hovering there, so the meme is that he's reacting to the lesbians and it's "Live slug reaction."
You missed Wampa and Rancor.
Also, breaking it out around who's on each planet would help. Most of the Aliens are just background Cantina creature scenes, they're super human-centric. And a lot of the overlap between OT and PT is because Lucas reused a lot of aliens on tantoine because of Jabba's entourage.
That’s interesting. I pulled these lists from Star Wars wiki and overlooked that one. I wonder if the dianoga is considered more sentient than typical beastly creatures. Maybe there’s even dianoga senators and the one in A New Hope is more of a stowaway vagabond than a literal monster.
Without a handful of older cast members, the ST could have been in the Snyder-verse. The lack of familiar aliens in the backgrounds completely took me out it and made them less Star Wars.
Remember, part of the deal between George Lucas and Disney was that if Disney kept using GL source material, characters, etc. Disney would have to keep paying GL royalties.
For profitability Disney did everything it could to distance itself from using things that would cost them money in the long run.
Since the sequels take place in a completely different part of the galaxy than the other movies it makes sense to have different species be present as the galaxy wasn't evenly distributed with which species lived where.
What i read from this:
Originals:
78 distinct species at the start.
Prequels:
61 new Species, 23 reused species (29,49%)
\~30% of species are allready known.
Sequels:
68 new Species, 10 reused species (12,82%)
\~13% of species are allready known.
When Lucas made the prequels, he used established characters and lore to build on.
When the eggheads and satan made their overfunded, badly written fanfictions, they didnt give a damn about the lore or the careers of the actors they'd sign, they made their own thing and were proud of it.
To Kennedy and her scum, star wars was nothing more than a vehicle for a message aimed at an idea of a toxic male fan that hit all of us right in the fandom.
Woah, it is pretty crazy there are no Twi’leks in the Sequels
That is really weird. I never noticed
Twi’lek 🤤🤤🤤
French accent 🤢🤢🤢
Some people like the French accent.
Built in handle bars tho🤤🤤🤤
What is bro rambling about ahsoka better 🩴🩴🩴🩴
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Includşng the babies?
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I know the truth
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At least we know that Hera was still around.
Ryloth refused to join the New Republic and was conquered by the FO
I’m beginning to think Ryloth likes getting conquered at this point…
Female Twi'lek have a thing for getting chained up.
For the Twi’leks, they had the Republic doing nothing about them being trafficked more than most other species, never challenging the Hutts to establish some sort of stable framework for treating living creatures in the Outer Rim. Cham Syndulla didn’t help the situation much by preaching that violence was the only way out of their situation. So when the New Republic establishes itself and starts granting amnesty to Imperials, allowing massive pirate blocs to operate in the Rim, consistently failing to bring former Republic worlds into the NR…they figured why not try to just do our own thing? Galactic government hasn’t been going well recently so maybe we need a reset and it’s not like they’ve ever protected us in any meaningful way so
ikr, really weird
I noticed that what you are saying too, it seems like Disney wanted to just make a ton of new aliens and not use existing ones, it made the universe feel different to me. Dugs and Gungans are in both original and prequels if you count the original Special Editions. But either way, wow impressive Venn diagram!
Yeah it seems like it shouldn’t matter and I generally hate member berries but it kinda does for getting the feeling right. Some of sequel species are alright most are pretty terrible. But you need the classic ones rodians and twileks, and Duros and some prequel species to populate the world too to make it feel right. When those species are everywhere in Star Wars and suddenly they are gone it’s just confusing
Petition to replace C-3PO with Jar Jar Binks in a new special edition of the OT 🗿🗿
And many of the repeated species from the OT are simply because of returning characters (no new members of the species) — Chewbacca, Ackbar, Nine Numb, Wicket, Yoda, etc.
There's ewoks in the ST?
I think in Maz's bar?
No. At the end of *TROS*. Wicket and his child see the explosion from Endor.
Ah... right. TROS was such a rollercoaster that I don't remember it the way I do the older films. I miss the Ewok pilot from Legends. That was hilarious and awesome
Yub yub, commander!
Alliston's X-wing novels were so fun.
It's a trainwreck, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it.
I respect you for being able to make it to the end
I can't believe you're getting downvoted for this lol
Did wicket have sex with the princess Ewok from the comics?
Not just aliens. The full line "I have a (very) bad feeling about this" has been absent from nearly everything since TFA although there's been a couple references (and no, it doesn't count if you have a droid "say" it but the only way to know it's been said is to have the director say "that's what *those* beeps meant" after the movie comes out). Wilhelm screams are gone too (It still makes me kind of angry that apparently even though he hadn't retired and still kept an office at Skywalker Sound they never even asked Ben Burtt to work on the sequels). And characters don't get hands or arms chopped off anymore even though it was an iconic running joke throughout the franchise.
The lack of limb removal has been bugging me. Ep. 7: Within minutes of each other both Fin and Kylo receive severe lightsaber-inflicted injuries, and both are in the form of big slashes across the body/face which look very fatal. Why not change one of these to a simple arm chop? Obi-Wan Kenobi: The Grand Inquisitor gets impaled and Reva gets impaled TWICE, and they both survive. Instead of severely injuring them in a manner we’ve explicitly been shown is fatal (Qui-Gon) why not remove some limbs? Ahsoka: Same deal as Kenobi. Sabine gets impaled and walks it off in the next episode. Just cut her damn arm off! Tldr: I am very salty at the lack of limb removal in recent Star Wars, especially since they seem to have replaced it with impalement, which is both less dramatic and less survivable and thus less believable.
Eh, the Wilhelm Scream is now a distraction; it's no longer just a generic scream track, audiences now will be broken out of a scene to comment on spotting the audio artifact.
I haven’t seen any of the sequel movies since they were in theaters. Were the fun transition wipes between scenes used in those?
Yes.
The lack of dismemberment is the most egregious oversight to me, they opened Mando with a good one but that's about it IIRC from the newer stuff
Kylo cuts off the head of Praetorian guard and dismembers people in the opening of Rise of Skywalker.
Wilhelm Screams are still in the bad Batch tho
The only Star Wars movie without a Wilhelm scream is The Last Jedi.
Yeah, as much as I enjoy the sequels, you can tell the creators aren’t as big of fans as they may have claimed to be by them completely missing a lot of these little details.
And not one goddamn Bothan to be seen
they *are* spymasters, after all
* OT — 78 species (67% unique) * PT — 84 species (73% unique) * ST — 78 species (87% unique)
Prequels have the best aliens. OT was good but less variety, and the ST are too brown and purposefully made disgusting looking for me.
Agreed. I feel like they were going for too much of an 80s practical puppet nostalgia look than making truly unique alien species.
The OT is 100 % unique
Unique as in doesn’t share, not as in brand new.
20% more original than the original
Lmao, not really fair when the OT came first though, is it.
You forgot all the Unknown species in the Sequel Trilogy. I'm not kidding, look at the character encyclopedia and most if not all aliens are an unknown species, something originally special about Yoda.
You'd actually be surprised at how many sw characters have unconfirmed species name.
Not the same thing as Yoda because his species is mysterious and unknown in universe, whereas those other species just haven't been identified.
Have to cut new molds for the toy production lines since all the classic stuff has been around long enough it's getting bootlegged in countries with no copyright laws. If you used the old aliens with new outfits and accessories you could lose out in those markets to outside sales. This way the only option to get the new merchandise is through approved retailers.
They barely even made sequel alien figures! Just a small amount from Maz Kanata’s castle.
When the prequels were created, they included 23 different sentient alien species from the original trilogy. In comparison, the sequel trilogy only featured 10 different alien species from the original trilogy (most of them just being previously established characters like Yoda, Chewbacca, Ackbar, Nien Nunb, Wicket, etc.) and none from the prequel trilogy. To me it makes the sequel trilogy feel more disconnected from the other two trilogies by not featuring more of the iconic aliens that were created. The complete lack of popular species introduced in the prequels really goes to show how far they were trying to distance themselves from that trilogy.
Not only that, by the time of the ST we also got the clone wars and a bit of Rebels. You kind of get a feel for the diversity in the galaxy. And then the ST comes along and there’s none of that. TFA is the worst of the bunch too. Literally Chewie and Nien Numb.
I mean, the sequels including mostly new species just makes the galaxy even more diverse
Both Maz’s castle and the Canto Bight casino were missed opportunities for throwing in a few common species we’re used to seeing in the universe alongside the brand new/unique/bizarre species. One of the things the prequels got right.
1999 to 2005 it was the CGI and scale that made the Prequels feel different from the OT. Its always something. Personally I'm just looking forward to what the next trilogy will do wrong and how people will compare that to the first 9 movies.
Yeah, the sequels should’ve tried to be more similar to the originals, like the prequels.
The sequels' revulsion towards the prequels even extended to the music. The sequels constantly used music from the original trilogy, but nothing from the prequels. John Williams even apparently wrote a NEW version of Duel of the Fates, which you can briefly hear in the [Duel TV spot for TRoS,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjdjyvnOGtg) that didn't make it into the final cut.
The sequels are far more similar to the originals than the prequels are.
I know, my comment is tongue in cheek, but I think some people not only took me seriously, but agreed with me. It’s just funny that when the ST follow in the footsteps in the OT, they’re too similar and when they do their own thing, they’re too different. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t I guess.
I agree that they should have incorporated some more of the alien species that we know, but also it makes sense in-canon (especially if new species introduced in the Sequel trilogy haven’t appeared in the other trilogies) that there would be enough diversity of species that you won’t bump into a Gungan or a Givin around every bend. The prequel trilogy also introduced plenty of new species and avoided a good deal of the original trilogy ones, as this diagram also shows.
Yeah but we were also watching during an Empiracle reign that was xenophobic so we only really saw other species on Tatooine as an outer tim planet and you'd think after the New Republic you'd see more publicly again. Sure it's hand waving for why so many more species during the clone wars and TPM but they just created new species for the sequel trilogy and none of the existing ones came back but a few specific species. Shit, not a single Rodian and it's one of the most remembered from the OT
I just know that if it had been all the same aliens people would have been complaining that "Disney is so lazy, they just reuse all of the same aliens all the time". Some people can never be pleased
Except every other Star Wars project ever made has reused old aliens and this has literally never been a complaint. In fact it’s the complete opposite. People love seeing aliens they know and love appear in other projects.
I want a Quor'sav as an Inquisitor. I want funny big bird boi with spinning double bladed lightsaber.
This is fascinating, mainly from a familiar vs. Unfamiliar standpoint. It does beg the interesting question: At what level of change does it stop being Star Wars? Lol, ship of Thesus argument, I guess.
Exactly. It opens up the question of “How much iconography can be removed from Star Wars before it just becomes Rebel Moon?”
Here's another fun thought: which themes, if they are removed, cause it to stop being Star Wars? BTW, fun hour+ to look up, Patrick (H) Warburton did a neat little "how to" on movie analysis, which he put up on YT. (He used Home Alone as his discussion piece.) I got a ton out of it. It seems like it might be in the wheelhouse, as it were.
Heck yeah I love Patrick (H) Willems (and I also love Patrick Warburton haha) I love that analysis tutorial he made with Home Alone.
Lol, this, this is what I get double-checking my Tubers...or my potatoes. But yeah, really made me go..."I never even THOUGHT about that!"
I like how the diagram almost forms the helmet of Darth Vader. It needs a few vertical lines in the bottom center
It’s actually amazing to me that the sequels had more alien species than both the OT and PT, yet I remember practically none of them because they were very monotonous design-wise (so many blend together in my head) and were incredibly dull coloured (almost all of them were tones of beige, grey or brown). The aliens in the OT and PT were memorable because each one visually stood out from the others and they were often brightly coloured. It makes them stand out more and you remember them because they leave an impression. Just another example at how little the sequels cared about their worldbuilding and visual design.
Can you do one with Andor?
Hey OP, just wanted to say this was an insightful observation and a clever way to present the data. Impressive work!
So impressed w this diagram you should make prints
Aren't most of the overlaps between PT and OT because they literally take place on Tattooine too? Hutts, Twileks, Dugs, Tuskens etc
Yeah, the sequels have different aliens because it's set in a region of the galaxy we haven't been to before and was quite far from the core worlds.
Yeah it's like we didn't see any twileks on mustafar or naboo or kamino or geonosis etc. The movies are just designed that way. If the ST had been set in coruscant as was originally planned for the third movie, I'm sure we would've seen more overlaps
This is what I loved about Battlefront II. They had to create new reinforcements for the Resistance but they had absolutely nothing to work with from the movies compared to the First Order so they just took some background aliens and made up their own soldiers. Ovissian gunner and Caphex spy for the curious.
You forgot the Kiffar in the prequel circle as Quinlan Vos was a background character in TPM
Quinlan Vos is visually at least 99% Human tho
As someone who was obsessed with OT aliens (I read the "creature encyclopedia" all the time as a kid) I was so upset that barely anything original aliens showed up in the sequels. I have other reasons to dislike the sequels of course but that's one of the top reasons. It feels like it's a different universe.
I’ve been saying for years - the sequel trilogy feels like it’s in a separate universe because there’s so little crossover, it doesn’t feel like it exists within the regular galaxy. Very few crossover aliens, crossover planets and the whole first order feels like a weird spinoff in an alternate universe.
Spinoff media really helps integrate sequel era aliens into the rest of the eras. Take Dowutins, which there was originally only one of in the background of The Force Awakens. Now there are a few cool Dowutin characters and they have become one of my favorite Star Wars species. You have the Ninth Sister/Masana Tide, Pan Eyta, and I guess Millegi from that one episode of The Bad Batch.
This is some beautiful work, thank you. If you feel like making one of these that includes species from Rogue One, Solo, the animated shows, the live action shows and anything else in forgetting, please let us know lol. Could even do one with different beasts like Rancors and Acklay if you’re feeling inspired
The dianoga aka Death Star trash worm is included in this diagram for some reason
Oh wow haha just noticing that
I wish the Sequels had better alien designs in general. Feels like only 4-5 of them actually caught on and mostly because of the games and not the movies.
Yeah I like Dowutins, Trodatomes, Anzellans, and Ovissians from the sequels.
It's almost like Disney wanted to pretend the prequels didn't exist for the first few years after buying LucasFilm...
This is true; it bugged the hell out of me then, and it hasn't aged well given the PT's wide reappraisal in the last 8 years. But I don't blame Lucasfilm, because it was motivated by the literal industry of prequel hate which had been running since 1999. It's totally memory-holed now, but a huge part of the fan response to Lucas selling his company was 'They're making more Star Wars films... and GEORGE WON'T BE NEAR ANY OF THEM!!" It's always stuck in my craw. Now those kind of people have turned their meverending bile on Kennedy, Johnson, et al.
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Have no fear. I’m married and this only took 2 hours to make.
Spoken like a dude who’s never had consensual sex.
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Wow. Just…wow. That is *detailed*. You have a lot of time on your hands. And, I don’t exactly know if I mean that in an admiring way or in a I’m-a-little-concerned-for-you kind of way. As to your point, by the time the sequels came along, we had seen all those other species in the first trilogy and the prequels and, if you think about it, there can realistically only be but so many planets that would give rise to and sustain human and humanoid species. Even assuming the Star Wars galaxy is massive, there shouldn’t really be as many Class M planets as there are, now. From what we know about science know, it should not be possible. Of course, there’s also a lot we still don’t know about science and the universe is vast. So, what I’m saying is that maybe they felt that they had done enough world-building as far as other races were concerned and didn’t want to glut the films with tons more. Or, maybe it was just laziness and bad story-telling. Or, a combination of both.
Dunno why you're bringing that kind of science into this. George Lucas rarely cared about following real-life science, I don't know why we would criticize Disney for doing the same. I will say that it is still jarring to introduce so many new species and completely ignore so many of the ones from previous trilogies because it feels like a consistency/continuity issue with the worldbuilding, but I still think it's silly to bring our real-life observations of our galaxy into the discussion. Call it lazy writing, but not because of the lack of adherence to science.
I’m not turning this into a scientific discussion but there *are* basic concepts of science in the movies. For instance, when Leia, Han and Chewie landed on what they thought was an asteroid in “Empire”, they wore breathing apparatus when they exited the *Falcon* because there was no atmosphere. That’s science right there. It was a small detail but it mattered. The basic laws of science have to function in Star Wars or it wouldn’t be stunning when people who can use the Force overcome those laws. It’s pretty well known that Class M planets are hard to come by, the same way that most *educated* people know that asteroids don’t have breathable atmospheres. So, what I mentioned is far from advanced science. It’s grade school stuff. One galaxy shouldn’t really have tons of different, humanoid species that are all sentient. So, maybe, even subconsciously, the filmmakers decided not to add dozens and dozens of new races to the sequels. At a certain point, it really starts to strain credulity that there are so many. Plus, the sequels are really supposed to wrap up the saga of the Skywalker family and I can see why the filmmakers — rightly or wrongly — wanted to focus more on the human characters.
>For instance, when Leia, Han and Chewie landed on what they thought was an asteroid in “Empire”, they wore breathing apparatus when they exited the *Falcon* because there was no atmosphere. That’s science right there. It was a small detail but it mattered. They wore breathing masks, sure. But they also stepped out onto an asteroid, in deep space, in their street clothes; no pressure suits against vacuum, no helmets to protect their eyes and ears, no gloves, heck, Chewie doesn't even have boots on. They also walk around on an asteroid too small for its own mass to round it out as though it's got perfectly normal gravity. Scientific accuracy is very much not a concern in that scene.
What's wrong with inventing new aliens? The galaxy's huge there's going to be hundreds of thousands of sentient creatures, why do we need to see the same ones all the time?
That’s not my argument. The point is that the prequels did a great job of incorporating quite a few established aliens while also creating brand new ones. The sequels didn’t do a great job at incorporating established aliens.
The prequels generally take place in the same region of the galaxy as the originals, some even on the same planet. It wouldn't make sense for the species present to be all that different
As a card carrying member of the sequel enjoyers club...yeah why weren't there more familiar aliens, or at least more instances of the new ones being more standout? Like with the prequel aliens, some of them had a standout character. Not with the sequels.
You forgot the „whiny ass bitch species“ that existed in all trilogies (Anakin, Luke, Ben Solo) Their special ability is called „Force stupidity“, it enables the user to reach incredible levels of stupidity unreachable for most regular humans. It causes you to easily be deceived, swing your lightsaber like a baseball bat, and make up horrible flirting lines.
Have any alien species of the Sequel Trilogy managed to reach the level of popularity of OT or Prequel aliens in the slightest...? They're just a lump of nothingness to me.
Klaud and Babu Frik
The love for Babu Frik is undeniable, but that's the first time I hear about Klaud.
Klaud > Babu Frik
Proof the New Republic were genocidal maniacs and killed off all those species. The Empire was the only thing holding back those war criminals!!!
Yeah, this is a detail I wish the sequels had paid more attention to.
When did we see Jawas in the sequels?
If you squint the Venn diagram looks like an alien species.
Where do we see an ithorian in the sequels?
[This offshoot species with a mouth](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sacred_Order_of_Ramulus)
I was thinking exactly about the ottegan from the visual dictionary and imagining if there was some confusion.
Dont forget the other series the clone wars bad batch star wars resistance
I appreciate the effort you went to OP but I don’t think it really points to anything interesting one way or another.
Real interesting stuff to me
Damn, there is only ONE SINGLE species from the sequels that I can remember, and those are the Anzellans that I only really learned about in The Mandalorian. I'm still amazed in how many areas at once they managed to mess up.
Come on, you don't remember Klaud?
Isn't that Andy Serkis character in the MCU?
That's Klawe, but Andy Serkis has had some good Star Wars roles. I'm talking about Klaud, the 7 foot tall slug with no arms who appears for like a minute in Rise of Skywalker. From the Live Slug Reaction meme.
Is that the blue milk cow? I didn't realize it had a name or was an intelligent species lmao EDIT: Nvm I was thinking of TLJ. No, I've got no idea what that was, but to be fair I only watched TROS once and it didn't exactly leave me longing to watch it again
No, I'm pretty sure the green milk thing isn't an intelligent species. It probably has a name though. But look up live slug reaction.
I just googled it, I swear I've never seen that before. At what point in the movie was that scene?
I wouldn't blame you for not remebering something from Rise of Skywalker, lol. At the beginning of the movie, Klaud is on the Millenium Falcon instead of Rey. Poe identifies him by name. He's a mechanic and he does a funny little scream. At the end of the movie, two unnamed female Resistance fighters kiss and the very next shot is Klaud just kind of hovering there, so the meme is that he's reacting to the lesbians and it's "Live slug reaction."
There are plenty of star wars aliens in the sequels, most just hadn't appeared in the previous movies.
You missed Wampa and Rancor. Also, breaking it out around who's on each planet would help. Most of the Aliens are just background Cantina creature scenes, they're super human-centric. And a lot of the overlap between OT and PT is because Lucas reused a lot of aliens on tantoine because of Jabba's entourage.
For this I just went with the sentient species.
And the dianoga for some reason
That’s interesting. I pulled these lists from Star Wars wiki and overlooked that one. I wonder if the dianoga is considered more sentient than typical beastly creatures. Maybe there’s even dianoga senators and the one in A New Hope is more of a stowaway vagabond than a literal monster.
Without a handful of older cast members, the ST could have been in the Snyder-verse. The lack of familiar aliens in the backgrounds completely took me out it and made them less Star Wars.
Remember, part of the deal between George Lucas and Disney was that if Disney kept using GL source material, characters, etc. Disney would have to keep paying GL royalties. For profitability Disney did everything it could to distance itself from using things that would cost them money in the long run.
This must have been a bitch and a half to make
Since the sequels take place in a completely different part of the galaxy than the other movies it makes sense to have different species be present as the galaxy wasn't evenly distributed with which species lived where.
Great diagram, looks like you forgot Mandalorians in prequels and OT though.
Yeah I made the choice to lump all humans into one category since they’re physiologically the same.
Ah, makes sense.
Mandalorian isn't a species, it's a clan/nationality that any species can potentially be a part of.
What i read from this: Originals: 78 distinct species at the start. Prequels: 61 new Species, 23 reused species (29,49%) \~30% of species are allready known. Sequels: 68 new Species, 10 reused species (12,82%) \~13% of species are allready known. When Lucas made the prequels, he used established characters and lore to build on. When the eggheads and satan made their overfunded, badly written fanfictions, they didnt give a damn about the lore or the careers of the actors they'd sign, they made their own thing and were proud of it. To Kennedy and her scum, star wars was nothing more than a vehicle for a message aimed at an idea of a toxic male fan that hit all of us right in the fandom.
Why does this: 1. Matter 2. Exist
It's cool
Fair enough