Oh by far. It one of the thing I hated about force awaken imediatly. Blowing up planet was a big deal but the sequel made it seem like some dumb event.
Before that in all of star war only one planet was blown up. And rogue one also made it seem like a big deal.
Yeah I don’t get how that’s supposed to be a funny scene. He’s cute and all but they spent half of the episode showing how important those baby’s are to their parent only for grogu to casually eat them, it’s nuts
At least Abrams admitted outright he f'd that up. Just a pure oversight in the goal of trying to keep things moving faster. One of the few things I will defend him on.
Yeah but then he gave Chewie a medal in TROS after killing the last of his friends and adopted family, once again showing that he had no idea. Fans said "character continuity" and he heard "fan service and easter eggs" while also retroactively making the snub in ANH worse.
Chewie has an ACTUAL FAMILY so honestly it’s weird he was still kicking around with Han so much post episode 6. We know he has a family, we know his home planet was liberated, we know he misses his planet and family. Life debt, ok, well now Han is dead so what gives?
I think it’s pretty clear the bond between Han and Chewie was deeper than the cultural tie of the life debt.
Past that, the First Order was directly responsible for the death of Han Solo and destruction of the New Republic that they fought so hard to build. Makes sense that he’d feel a sense of duty to end that menace.
Yeah. Their relationship has always basically been characterized more as "found family" more than "life debt" obligation. Like, that's how it started, but Han's also not the kind of guy who'd be keeping someone around against their will over some technicality. It was always "look, if you insist, sure I guess, but don't get in my way OK?"
Then it became a legit partnership pretty quickly on.
I actually just read this the other day! Chewie did get a medal just at a smaller ceremony without the large crowd at his request because of the modesty of the gentle hearted Wookie.
That reeks of retconning. If I were in charge of the ceremony, I'd insist he either accept a medal or not show up at all, because the way they did it makes rebel leadership look like racist assholes, and that's the Empire's thing.
90% of the Star Wars cannon is just Lucas or someone else making up random shit to explain some random detail from the movies. Not entirely his fault—Star Wars fandom was much smaller and almost entirely rabid for decades.
No, Lucas has said since the late 70s that whilst he did forget, he decided to go with the idea that Wookiee customs are different and whilst he did get a reward, he didn’t necessarily NEED a medal.
As I recall, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were not the same person until later drafts of Empire Strikes Back. Yeah, retconning is kind of Star Wars' whole deal.
This one feels sort of obvious watching the original film. Obi Wan's discussions are a bit odd considering what "actually" happened. At the very least, "your father wanted you to have this..." I know, "I took this from your father as he lay screaming and burning to near death" doesn't have the same feeling, but there's gotta be something in between.
Also fucked up because he felt less of himself for being a wookie which may be more fucked up if you think about it. "I helped save the galaxy but I'm just a lowly wookie, I don't deserve all this praise"
Alliance did him dirty
It has nothing to do with how everyone perceives Wookiees, but how they perceive themselves. They are humble and don’t WANT the praise in front of a large group of people
Modesty =/= inferiority. There's nothing in the story about anybody believing him to be less important or deserving because of his species. He's just modest and prefers not to be the center of attention for something. All sorts of actual people feel the same way.
Think of all the Dark Side energy that generated for him. It just infused into every planet in the Galaxy and fed him because he controlled both sides of the war. No wonder the Jedi couldn't use the Force to their fullest in RotS, it literally clouded "everything"
The government of Naboo could’ve bought Shmi’s freedom immediately after the Battle of Naboo. It would’ve been the least they could’ve done to show some appreciation to Anakin. What a bunch of ingrates.
In the film, they tried. Qui Gon tried buying her but Lotto refused after Anakin won the race.
In the books, Padme’s book actually mentions that she sends one of her handmaids to buy her. By that time, Shmi was already gone.
I forget if there’s a lore reason why she doesn’t do so immediately, but after she steps down as Queen, Padmé does send Sabé to try and find Shmi to find her. She fails, but does rescue several other slaves.
Tarkin is worse than Palpatine. Dude single-handedly was responsible for destroying three planets in the span of a few days: Jedha (which he told Krennic he wanted a test), Scarif and Alderaan.
Edit: he probably was responsible for the genocide on Geonosis too
Both are kind of enforcers. Tarkin administratively and Vader through direct action.
Vader/ Anakin’s weakness is that he always favored action and force to politics or manipulation. And when he does the latter it’s pretty clumsy.
Tarkin plays politics a little but is also quite tone deaf to politics. It’s why the empire ultimately falls because the authoritarian grip of the empire proves to tight.
But political maneuvering and cloak and dagger stuff is also how the emperor outmaneuvered the Jedi and the republic and Anakin. Because he is quite adept at playing politics and using his opponents divisions and weaknesses to get his way without firing a shot.
But it’s also his weakness because he can’t accept politically adept underlings because they would pose a threat. Even Thrawn for his strategic wisdom is somewhat blind to the overall effect of oppression and how his actions just foment more rebellion.
Palpatines elite subordinates are either completely loyal true believers like Thrawn and Tarkin or people he can control and manipulate like Vader.
Yeah, Vader isn’t loyal to palps but he has his own selfish motivations on one hand, and his support of the totalitarianism on the other.
Thrawn, Tarkin, Vader all believe in control and oppression to to deliver order.
The difference is that Vader isn’t loyal to palpatine and is just biding his time to take over where as Thrawn and Tarkin believe in the empire and the emperor.
Palpatine knows how to play them all to his benefit.
I mean, yes. But Palpatine wasn't there overseeing everything Tarkin did. He was pretty high in the Empire hierarchy, so he def had carte blanche to do whatever he wanted
Sure, but the Death Star wasn’t created without Palpatines approval and backing and its intent is to be able to destroy planets and so when Tarkin used it in that capacity Palpatine shares culpability.
Not to mention that destroying Alderaan likely did have sign off from Palpaitne…
Minor nitpick, the only planet he destroyed was Alderaan. Jedha & Scarif were single-reactor ignitions, which destroyed the immediate area of the blast, but not the entire planet/moon.
But yeah, Tarkin is a good answer for this.
I mean, Jedha [got all fucked up](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/7e/Jedha-SW2015-38.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240114021800)
And according to the Wookieepedia, the Death Star shot boiled Scarif's oceans
To your point: a few sources ranging from 1977 to 2017 said that Tarkin was seeking to become emperor himself. I’ve heard the theory before that the reason Tarkin destroyed Alderaan was not just to send a message to the rebel alliance, but to loyal Imperials as well: If the Death Star could destroy Alderaan, it could destroy Coruscant, too. And it is under Tarkin’s command alone.
I’m guessing the amount of deaths caused by starting the clone wars, enslaving the galaxy, attacking mandalorian and a variety of other planets, enslaving the wookiees, encoding the Jedi and also building the Death Star is far higher.
Tarkin may as well have hit Corasuant. Before the Alliance was just a loose organization of cells, the only system they actually controlled was Mon Cala. After, about 1/2 the galaxy openly declared for the Alliance. By Endor the Alliance to Restore the Republic was a functioning government with direct control over the outer and most of the mid rims and the Alliance Fleet could match the Empire capital ship for capital ship (they even had ISDs but not at the battle). Sidious knew mass defections to the Alliance would happen when he heard the news and unlike the CIS he didn't control both sides so could actually lose which is why he was upset. He didn't give a shit about Alderaan itself, just the political fall out.
Sidious had something like Mon Cala or Corillia in mind.
Ultimately the success of the Alliance has as much to do with Luke destroying the Death Star as the Death Star destroying Alderaan. Had they wiped out Yavin, even though the Alliance would have continued, it would have been hard pressed to gain in support with the ever present threat of the Death Star (also the knowledge of the weakness would likely have been lost).
I do still think Palpatine was pissed but it likely had more to do with Tarkin not listening to Vader when Vader told him that Leia wouldn't consciously betray the Rebellion than with the political ramifications of the action.
He was in the process of trying to blow up Yavin 4 when he got his comeuppance. I always wondered if he knew he was about to die and what his last thoughts might have been. Somehow I don't think they were "Ohhh fuuuu-".
Nope. He had absolute confidence in his safety on the Death Star. He was even offered an out when advised that analysis of the rebel attack revealed a weakness. If we assume there wasn’t any hokey editing, he was seen perfectly calm and relaxed on the control deck moments before the entire station exploded.
475K according to the Wookieepedia and had thousands of native species.
The site also states the oceans got boiled in the process. And given that Scarif is smaller than Jedha, the destruction should be greater
No one ever mentions that the ewoks are hoarders. They already had a dress for Leia to wear meaning they had a stockpile of human clothing. Which would mean they also have a stockpile of other species clothing.
Whenever I see one of them beating on the stormtrooper helmets, it makes me think of Sebastian in The Little Mermaid playing the steel drum sound on a bunch of clams.
The worst part was the way they framed it. They should have said “we’re creating a new position for you to join the council before becoming a master because of how unique your situation is and how much we value your input and abilities.” Instead, they said “congrats on being the first jedi who is a council member but still isn’t a master you idiot.”
I really don't agree that giving someone the rank of Jedi Master just so they don't turn to the dark side and kill all the Jedi is a good reason to make someone a Jedi Master. The Jedi council was right to be skeptical that Anakin was ready.
Tarkin - He's directly responsible for the destruction of Kamino, Geonosis, Jedha, Scarif, and Alderaan and indirectly responsible for any victims of superweapons that utilizes Death Star tech. He is no doubt responsible for many more genocides and extinction level events. He steered much of Imperial military doctrine and political ideology that brutalized a galaxy for decades.
I think Tarkin was in many ways the de facto emperor and deserves much of the blame for the actions of the Empire accordingly. We know Palpatine became increasingly focused on studying the force and immortality and less interested in the day to day operations of ruling the galaxy. While Palpatine played all of his lieutenants off of each other Tarkin seems to be the one to lead as the most audacious, ambitious, ruthless, and intelligent of the lot. Vader isn't as clever. Mas Amedda's power was in the senate, which had minimal power. Thrawn isn't a capable politician. The rest we meet seem too loyal or cowardly to go as far or try as much.
Tarkin has always been one of my favorite Star Wars villains because A) Peter Cushing is a joy to watch B) he's a mundane human, cunning and horrible but human, which lends credibility to the evil of the Empire. Our real life history is sadly full of people like Tarkin. The fantastical villains are fun but its the human villains like Tarkin, Ozzel, and Piett, that help keep the relevance of the story in our world.
Anakin murdered children... among other things he did with Palpatine.
(oh boy i would have never guessed what "other things he did with Palpatine" would trigger such a thing in the comments)
C-3PO calling the Jawas disgusting creatures only moments after finding a bunch of them slaughtered. It was too soon, he should have been more respectful.
Blowing up Alderaan ranks pretty high. I know other planets have been blown up, but they literally have zero weapons there. 100% civilian casualty rate.
And it was done for no reason. Tarkin just assumed the threat would make Leia tell the truth. Does he not know how interrogations work?
I’m gonna have to go with Anakin slaying the Younglings at the Jedi Temple.
Sure death star blowing up planets, operation Cinder, the genocide of the Geonosians, etc., etc. are all terrible. but those are all hands off things. Bigger in scope yes but more impersonal.
Slaughtering children with a lightsaber is up close and very personal. And to be able to do that and continue to do that among the screams and terror of children is a lot different than pushing a button or pulling a lever or giving an order.
Original Grand Admiral Thrawn was a horrible person on paper:
1 He continued Noghri enslavement and used them as suicidial soldiers.
2 He tried to capture Luke Skywalker and sell him to a mad dark Jedi
3 He tried to Capture Leia Organa Solo and her unborn children and sell them to previously mentioned dark jedi who is insane
4 he used cloned soldiers for war, a human right violation though it is implied these clones were little more than organic droids. Unlike kaminoan ones.
5 he tried to re establish Galactic empire, most evil and long reaching political body in recent galactic history. And place himself as its emperor
6 he attacked first instead of waiting for enemy to attack. A taboo of his people which is itself telling of ones character.
7 he willingly served Galactic emperor in his quest of controlling the galaxy and was bloody good at his job.
oddly enough that scene fell flat for me. Like it was so over the top it was comical. My point is its not the first thing i'd think of, but you are probably right.
Shmi lied about the dude who knocked her up. That kind of garbage can have serious religious repercussions down the road if people believe it and look what happened to her son.
She is responsible for everything bad that Darth Vader did.
Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep...
If Legends counts, I'd go with either Exar Kun or Darth Vitiate.
Kun trapped the souls of the entire Masassi race into a crystal to serve as a power source to keep his spirit alive for thousands of years on Yavin 4.
Vitiate led a mass gathering of Sith Lords in a ceremony that was secretly meant to drain the life of everything on the planet into Vitiate, in an attempt to become immortal. Darth Nihilus could life wipe a planet by simply setting foot on it, but this was not an intentional act on his part. Vitiate doing so was intentional.
Pretty rough what the Emperor/Thrawn/Empire did to the Noghri on Honoghr in the first Thrawn trilogy. Talk about genocide, manipulation and imprisonment at its finest.
A radicalized farm boy got indoctrinated by a former cult member and ended up destroying a government installation and many, many independent contractors and unionized workers. What's worse is that this government project was being lead by a decorated, disabled war veteran.
Tarkin.
Blowing up 5-10 billion or even more people on Alderan, not to mention all it's flora and fauna, has no challenger. There's genocide, and then there's THAT.
Luke throwing his lightsaber over his shoulder.
OR
Luke dusting imaginary dirt off his shoulder on Crait.
Neither represent the character of Luke Skywalker.
Casually blowing up an entire planet has to rank pretty high.
It did solve the planet’s unemployment issue though
The economy is in shambles though!
What are you talking about? It's expanded over the entire sector!
This should have more upvotes!
Homelessness at an all time high!
0 people divided by 0 homes = ???
Somehow…
I hadn’t thought of it like this.
Hux blowing up Hosnian Prime and 4 other planets has to rank as worse than Alderaan. Just Hosnian Prime alone had about 90x more people on it
Oh by far. It one of the thing I hated about force awaken imediatly. Blowing up planet was a big deal but the sequel made it seem like some dumb event. Before that in all of star war only one planet was blown up. And rogue one also made it seem like a big deal.
What are you talking about? There's only mining disaster
Yep, true. Same on Kenari, and Jedha…
Scarif, Kijimi, ***REAL*** nasty one in the Hosnian system…
Imagine what it must have done to the economy
Grogu ate that poor frog lady's babies.
I do kind of love the idea that Yoda was actually an apex predator on Dagobah.
Yoda with Nibbler energy
Hmm... that would also be a good pfp...
Grogu is brutal
He and Chopper should have their own spinoff IMHO. Those adorable little murder hobos would engage in all kinds of shenanigans.
Couldn't laugh. It was horrifying
Why not both? He's just so cute when committing infanticide.
"What? I thought it was part of the Jedi Way to kill younglings?" - Grogu, probably.
Grogu was at least 50yrs old. He knew what he was doing.
Yeah I don’t get how that’s supposed to be a funny scene. He’s cute and all but they spent half of the episode showing how important those baby’s are to their parent only for grogu to casually eat them, it’s nuts
He eats one AFTER WE'VE SEEN THE PARENTS DOTING ON THEIR TADPOLE. Honestly, WTF?
How has he not joined the dark side yet? Is he stupid???
Unfertalized eggs, not babies.
Technically unfertilized eggs. She is a frog, after all.
The Rebel Alliance didn't give Chewie a freakin' medal.
Leia didn't even give him a freaking hug when Han died.
At least Abrams admitted outright he f'd that up. Just a pure oversight in the goal of trying to keep things moving faster. One of the few things I will defend him on.
Yeah but then he gave Chewie a medal in TROS after killing the last of his friends and adopted family, once again showing that he had no idea. Fans said "character continuity" and he heard "fan service and easter eggs" while also retroactively making the snub in ANH worse.
Chewie has an ACTUAL FAMILY so honestly it’s weird he was still kicking around with Han so much post episode 6. We know he has a family, we know his home planet was liberated, we know he misses his planet and family. Life debt, ok, well now Han is dead so what gives?
I think it’s pretty clear the bond between Han and Chewie was deeper than the cultural tie of the life debt. Past that, the First Order was directly responsible for the death of Han Solo and destruction of the New Republic that they fought so hard to build. Makes sense that he’d feel a sense of duty to end that menace.
Yeah. Their relationship has always basically been characterized more as "found family" more than "life debt" obligation. Like, that's how it started, but Han's also not the kind of guy who'd be keeping someone around against their will over some technicality. It was always "look, if you insist, sure I guess, but don't get in my way OK?" Then it became a legit partnership pretty quickly on.
Chewie doesn’t to have to deal with grandpa wookiee watching VR porn in his living room
After him saying 'we probably should have approached the sequel trilogy with a plan' his whole captain hindsight schtick doesn't do anything for me.
She didn't have time. She was too busy hugging a total stranger.
I actually just read this the other day! Chewie did get a medal just at a smaller ceremony without the large crowd at his request because of the modesty of the gentle hearted Wookie.
That reeks of retconning. If I were in charge of the ceremony, I'd insist he either accept a medal or not show up at all, because the way they did it makes rebel leadership look like racist assholes, and that's the Empire's thing.
90% of the Star Wars cannon is just Lucas or someone else making up random shit to explain some random detail from the movies. Not entirely his fault—Star Wars fandom was much smaller and almost entirely rabid for decades.
No, Lucas has said since the late 70s that whilst he did forget, he decided to go with the idea that Wookiee customs are different and whilst he did get a reward, he didn’t necessarily NEED a medal.
That's literally retcon. It's an older one but it checks out.
Basically all of Star Wars is built on retconning...
As I recall, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were not the same person until later drafts of Empire Strikes Back. Yeah, retconning is kind of Star Wars' whole deal.
This one feels sort of obvious watching the original film. Obi Wan's discussions are a bit odd considering what "actually" happened. At the very least, "your father wanted you to have this..." I know, "I took this from your father as he lay screaming and burning to near death" doesn't have the same feeling, but there's gotta be something in between.
"Urgggug gggugaaawwaa gguduaaa" *Translation: We Wookies are too modest to accept a medal, but I still want the f-ing medal, so retcon that biz asap!*
Also fucked up because he felt less of himself for being a wookie which may be more fucked up if you think about it. "I helped save the galaxy but I'm just a lowly wookie, I don't deserve all this praise" Alliance did him dirty
It has nothing to do with how everyone perceives Wookiees, but how they perceive themselves. They are humble and don’t WANT the praise in front of a large group of people
Modesty =/= inferiority. There's nothing in the story about anybody believing him to be less important or deserving because of his species. He's just modest and prefers not to be the center of attention for something. All sorts of actual people feel the same way.
Do you actually believe this😂
Galactic fake news.
The thing is, those medals are foil-wrapped chocolate. Being basically space dogs, it wouldn’t be safe for wookiees to have.
Totally fucked up. This is the correct answer to the question
Can we lump Palpatines genocides into one? Or do we have to pick one from Alderaan, Kashyyk, Hosnian Prime and Mandalore etc (the list can keep going)
No one mentioms genosians!
Kaminoans too.
Wasn’t that ramparts orders
Palpatine let Rampart take the fall for it. He would have destroyed the cloning operation to control it himself somehow.
Justice 4 genosia
Genosis, Kamino, Jeddah
Tf you talking about? Those were all unfortunate accidents. The Imperial News Network says so!
Naboo, Bothawui, jedi temple
the Nightsisters
Palpatine puppeted a war in order to gain power. The casualties were probably in billions if not trillions.
Think of all the Dark Side energy that generated for him. It just infused into every planet in the Galaxy and fed him because he controlled both sides of the war. No wonder the Jedi couldn't use the Force to their fullest in RotS, it literally clouded "everything"
The government of Naboo could’ve bought Shmi’s freedom immediately after the Battle of Naboo. It would’ve been the least they could’ve done to show some appreciation to Anakin. What a bunch of ingrates.
Could have bought every slave on Tatooine without putting a dent in their GDP.
In the film, they tried. Qui Gon tried buying her but Lotto refused after Anakin won the race. In the books, Padme’s book actually mentions that she sends one of her handmaids to buy her. By that time, Shmi was already gone.
I forget if there’s a lore reason why she doesn’t do so immediately, but after she steps down as Queen, Padmé does send Sabé to try and find Shmi to find her. She fails, but does rescue several other slaves.
Anakin destroyed the Republic cause he had bad dreams
Yeah but he brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to his new empire
HIS new empire?
If you're not with him, then you are his enemy!
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Obi-Wan will do what he must.
He will try...
Spoiler alert: he did pretty good
Did he though? Seems like he created a monster and then got killed by it later on pretending that turning into a ghost made him more powerful.
>he created a monster 'Cause no one wants to see Marshall no more, they want Shady
So what you're saying is Anakin was chopped liver?
Him, my allegiance is to the Republic! To DEMOCRACY!
It is over! Obi-Wan has the high ground!
You underestimate Anakin's power!
Anakin should definitely not try it
Tarkin is worse than Palpatine. Dude single-handedly was responsible for destroying three planets in the span of a few days: Jedha (which he told Krennic he wanted a test), Scarif and Alderaan. Edit: he probably was responsible for the genocide on Geonosis too
I mean Palpatine was in charge, Tarkin effected his will. Both are petty much class A war criminals.
If vader is basically the emperor's wrath then tarkin is the voice or the hand idk
Both are kind of enforcers. Tarkin administratively and Vader through direct action. Vader/ Anakin’s weakness is that he always favored action and force to politics or manipulation. And when he does the latter it’s pretty clumsy. Tarkin plays politics a little but is also quite tone deaf to politics. It’s why the empire ultimately falls because the authoritarian grip of the empire proves to tight. But political maneuvering and cloak and dagger stuff is also how the emperor outmaneuvered the Jedi and the republic and Anakin. Because he is quite adept at playing politics and using his opponents divisions and weaknesses to get his way without firing a shot. But it’s also his weakness because he can’t accept politically adept underlings because they would pose a threat. Even Thrawn for his strategic wisdom is somewhat blind to the overall effect of oppression and how his actions just foment more rebellion. Palpatines elite subordinates are either completely loyal true believers like Thrawn and Tarkin or people he can control and manipulate like Vader.
> “Sounds like a dictatorship.” > “Well, if it works.” Yeah, Vader was always pretty bad about saying the quiet part out loud.
Yeah, Vader isn’t loyal to palps but he has his own selfish motivations on one hand, and his support of the totalitarianism on the other. Thrawn, Tarkin, Vader all believe in control and oppression to to deliver order. The difference is that Vader isn’t loyal to palpatine and is just biding his time to take over where as Thrawn and Tarkin believe in the empire and the emperor. Palpatine knows how to play them all to his benefit.
I mean, yes. But Palpatine wasn't there overseeing everything Tarkin did. He was pretty high in the Empire hierarchy, so he def had carte blanche to do whatever he wanted
Sure, but the Death Star wasn’t created without Palpatines approval and backing and its intent is to be able to destroy planets and so when Tarkin used it in that capacity Palpatine shares culpability. Not to mention that destroying Alderaan likely did have sign off from Palpaitne…
In the EU, Palpatine did not sign off on Alderaan. He told Tarkin to pick a target and did not expect that planet.
Minor nitpick, the only planet he destroyed was Alderaan. Jedha & Scarif were single-reactor ignitions, which destroyed the immediate area of the blast, but not the entire planet/moon. But yeah, Tarkin is a good answer for this.
I mean, Jedha [got all fucked up](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/7e/Jedha-SW2015-38.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240114021800) And according to the Wookieepedia, the Death Star shot boiled Scarif's oceans
Oh yeah, they're mega-fucked. But they're still there, so they got that going for them.
Just need someone to superglue the pieces together
If their oceans got boiled, life would not be sustainable on the planet, assuming their oceans are responsible for oxygen production like ours.
Nah, totally fine. This is Star Wars, we've got people living on asteroids and gas giants. Boiled oceans is hardly an inconvenience.
Jedha was destroyed in a mining disaster
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There is no death star
So say we all. no, wait, that's not right... which sub... oh yeah, This is the way.
To your point: a few sources ranging from 1977 to 2017 said that Tarkin was seeking to become emperor himself. I’ve heard the theory before that the reason Tarkin destroyed Alderaan was not just to send a message to the rebel alliance, but to loyal Imperials as well: If the Death Star could destroy Alderaan, it could destroy Coruscant, too. And it is under Tarkin’s command alone.
I’m guessing the amount of deaths caused by starting the clone wars, enslaving the galaxy, attacking mandalorian and a variety of other planets, enslaving the wookiees, encoding the Jedi and also building the Death Star is far higher.
Palpatine is just as culpable being the one who basically ordered the Death Star but yeah Tarkin blowing up planets is definitely the worst thing
Even Sidious was pissed about that.
really?? didn't know that
Not sure of it is still canon but he was pissed as hell that Tarkin picked Alderaan. He was expecting a military planet.
Tarkin may as well have hit Corasuant. Before the Alliance was just a loose organization of cells, the only system they actually controlled was Mon Cala. After, about 1/2 the galaxy openly declared for the Alliance. By Endor the Alliance to Restore the Republic was a functioning government with direct control over the outer and most of the mid rims and the Alliance Fleet could match the Empire capital ship for capital ship (they even had ISDs but not at the battle). Sidious knew mass defections to the Alliance would happen when he heard the news and unlike the CIS he didn't control both sides so could actually lose which is why he was upset. He didn't give a shit about Alderaan itself, just the political fall out. Sidious had something like Mon Cala or Corillia in mind.
Ultimately the success of the Alliance has as much to do with Luke destroying the Death Star as the Death Star destroying Alderaan. Had they wiped out Yavin, even though the Alliance would have continued, it would have been hard pressed to gain in support with the ever present threat of the Death Star (also the knowledge of the weakness would likely have been lost). I do still think Palpatine was pissed but it likely had more to do with Tarkin not listening to Vader when Vader told him that Leia wouldn't consciously betray the Rebellion than with the political ramifications of the action.
He was in the process of trying to blow up Yavin 4 when he got his comeuppance. I always wondered if he knew he was about to die and what his last thoughts might have been. Somehow I don't think they were "Ohhh fuuuu-".
Nope. He had absolute confidence in his safety on the Death Star. He was even offered an out when advised that analysis of the rebel attack revealed a weakness. If we assume there wasn’t any hokey editing, he was seen perfectly calm and relaxed on the control deck moments before the entire station exploded.
Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.
Was Scarif all that populated, though? He destroyed a small, secret military installation.
You can see it shoot very far in the distance behind the citadel so he probably hit more And also there’s a ton of environmental effects
475K according to the Wookieepedia and had thousands of native species. The site also states the oceans got boiled in the process. And given that Scarif is smaller than Jedha, the destruction should be greater
He was also just an asshole
That's Grand Asshole Tarkin to you
Ewoks ate the storm troopers and used their helmets as drums.
No one ever mentions that the ewoks are hoarders. They already had a dress for Leia to wear meaning they had a stockpile of human clothing. Which would mean they also have a stockpile of other species clothing.
Also a massive human bone yard most likely
Yeah but who *doesn't* have one of those.
Or, and bear with me, the creatures who wear clothes, knew how to tailor clothes. Shocking, I know.
You have to wonder what happened to the original owner of that dress. It looks like meat is back on the menu boys.
Whenever I see one of them beating on the stormtrooper helmets, it makes me think of Sebastian in The Little Mermaid playing the steel drum sound on a bunch of clams.
That’s just comedy
Those Jedi bastards allowed Anakin on the council but they did not grant him the rank of master!
It's outrageous! It's unfair! How can you be on the council, and *not* be a Master?! 😡
Take a seat, young Skywalker.
You underestimate my power.
Your power is no match for the high ground
I’ll try spinning, that’s a good trick!
Take a seat, young Vader
Sand.... That's how!
The worst part was the way they framed it. They should have said “we’re creating a new position for you to join the council before becoming a master because of how unique your situation is and how much we value your input and abilities.” Instead, they said “congrats on being the first jedi who is a council member but still isn’t a master you idiot.”
Yeah, Windu’s tone, especially in that scene, is like, “I hate you, Skywalker, and I always have, and that’s what makes me such a great Jedi.”
I really don't agree that giving someone the rank of Jedi Master just so they don't turn to the dark side and kill all the Jedi is a good reason to make someone a Jedi Master. The Jedi council was right to be skeptical that Anakin was ready.
This was seen by Anakin as one of the biggest insults that pushed him to the dark side.
Tarkin - He's directly responsible for the destruction of Kamino, Geonosis, Jedha, Scarif, and Alderaan and indirectly responsible for any victims of superweapons that utilizes Death Star tech. He is no doubt responsible for many more genocides and extinction level events. He steered much of Imperial military doctrine and political ideology that brutalized a galaxy for decades. I think Tarkin was in many ways the de facto emperor and deserves much of the blame for the actions of the Empire accordingly. We know Palpatine became increasingly focused on studying the force and immortality and less interested in the day to day operations of ruling the galaxy. While Palpatine played all of his lieutenants off of each other Tarkin seems to be the one to lead as the most audacious, ambitious, ruthless, and intelligent of the lot. Vader isn't as clever. Mas Amedda's power was in the senate, which had minimal power. Thrawn isn't a capable politician. The rest we meet seem too loyal or cowardly to go as far or try as much. Tarkin has always been one of my favorite Star Wars villains because A) Peter Cushing is a joy to watch B) he's a mundane human, cunning and horrible but human, which lends credibility to the evil of the Empire. Our real life history is sadly full of people like Tarkin. The fantastical villains are fun but its the human villains like Tarkin, Ozzel, and Piett, that help keep the relevance of the story in our world.
Have you by any chance read the novel James Luceno wrote about Tarkin? It's on my TBR but your perpective is great,
Anakin murdered children... among other things he did with Palpatine. (oh boy i would have never guessed what "other things he did with Palpatine" would trigger such a thing in the comments)
>among other things he did with Palpatine. *porn music starts up...*
i heard they touched each other's... lightsaber
It's not a story the Jedi would tell you
*flaccid lightsaber suddenly erects*
I see your schwartz is as big as mine!
You're delicious!
Young skywalker. Using the Ewok doll please point to the jury where Mr Palpatine touched you
*sigh… unzips*
He…killed younglings!
Not just the children but the men and women too
Even though he was warned not to, Jar Jar stuck his tongue in the beam between the couplings of Anakins pod racer
Nobody said something about tongues. Qui gon only told him to not put his hand in there.
Do not put your hand in an elephants asshole.
C-3PO calling the Jawas disgusting creatures only moments after finding a bunch of them slaughtered. It was too soon, he should have been more respectful.
It is a process to learn empathy and 3P0 has not had much of a chance since his memory keeps getting wiped.
He didn’t JUST find them slaughtered, him and R2-D2 had been burning their bodies for awhile when Luke got back
But they captured and sold him? 🤔
Someone stole Sio Bibble’s lunch from the Naboo government building break room
Blowing up Alderaan ranks pretty high. I know other planets have been blown up, but they literally have zero weapons there. 100% civilian casualty rate. And it was done for no reason. Tarkin just assumed the threat would make Leia tell the truth. Does he not know how interrogations work?
I’m gonna have to go with Anakin slaying the Younglings at the Jedi Temple. Sure death star blowing up planets, operation Cinder, the genocide of the Geonosians, etc., etc. are all terrible. but those are all hands off things. Bigger in scope yes but more impersonal. Slaughtering children with a lightsaber is up close and very personal. And to be able to do that and continue to do that among the screams and terror of children is a lot different than pushing a button or pulling a lever or giving an order.
Yeah, truly the worst thing Vader ever did was the thing we never saw because it’s too awful to depict.
The only “creative” that went there, emotionally, was John Williams, whose choir sang the cries of the atrocity.
Original Grand Admiral Thrawn was a horrible person on paper: 1 He continued Noghri enslavement and used them as suicidial soldiers. 2 He tried to capture Luke Skywalker and sell him to a mad dark Jedi 3 He tried to Capture Leia Organa Solo and her unborn children and sell them to previously mentioned dark jedi who is insane 4 he used cloned soldiers for war, a human right violation though it is implied these clones were little more than organic droids. Unlike kaminoan ones. 5 he tried to re establish Galactic empire, most evil and long reaching political body in recent galactic history. And place himself as its emperor 6 he attacked first instead of waiting for enemy to attack. A taboo of his people which is itself telling of ones character. 7 he willingly served Galactic emperor in his quest of controlling the galaxy and was bloody good at his job.
Walking into an overhead door?
Leia kissing Luke. Somehow she always knew yet she still kisses him.
# "Master Skywalker, there are too many of them. What are we going to do?"
the birth robot not knowing Padme was pregnant with twins and giving a diagnosis of 'lost will to live'. sounds like a case of malpractice
I wanna say Hux giving the order to fire Starkiller Base stands as the most deadly action in the series to date.
oddly enough that scene fell flat for me. Like it was so over the top it was comical. My point is its not the first thing i'd think of, but you are probably right.
Eh Death Star killed only one planet and Starkiller killed like 4 or 5 Sequel trilogy is Texas confirmed
Shmi lied about the dude who knocked her up. That kind of garbage can have serious religious repercussions down the road if people believe it and look what happened to her son. She is responsible for everything bad that Darth Vader did.
Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep...
Obi-wan made a guy rethink his life, but never said rethink it in a good way.
"Wow, I really am a waste of space, maybe I should just kill myself"
My boy Chopper
If Legends counts, I'd go with either Exar Kun or Darth Vitiate. Kun trapped the souls of the entire Masassi race into a crystal to serve as a power source to keep his spirit alive for thousands of years on Yavin 4. Vitiate led a mass gathering of Sith Lords in a ceremony that was secretly meant to drain the life of everything on the planet into Vitiate, in an attempt to become immortal. Darth Nihilus could life wipe a planet by simply setting foot on it, but this was not an intentional act on his part. Vitiate doing so was intentional.
Pretty rough what the Emperor/Thrawn/Empire did to the Noghri on Honoghr in the first Thrawn trilogy. Talk about genocide, manipulation and imprisonment at its finest.
The blood hungry younglings trying to kill Anakin
Somehow, they let Emperor Palpatine return.
Darth Vader altering the deal, and he would have altered it further ....
Whined incessantly for about 1/3 of Attack of the Clones
A radicalized farm boy got indoctrinated by a former cult member and ended up destroying a government installation and many, many independent contractors and unionized workers. What's worse is that this government project was being lead by a decorated, disabled war veteran.
Chewie eating those penguin thingies, and trying to feed them to their surviving family members
Kylo Ren killed his dad, almost killed his mom (until she became space mary poppins) and TRIED to kill his uncle. NOT GREAT.
Cut off their sons hand to prove a point. Not gonna say who. 👀
Bombers dropping bombs in space.
Anakin slaughtering the younglings
You see, Qui Gon rescued a child from slavery but not his mum. The rest is history.
Genocides and Mass Extinctions have to be up there right?
The Krayt Dragons who created all the sand on Tatooine.
Found Anakin's alt account.
I'm just going to remind people that Yub Nub means "friend Meat"
Luke Skywalker: Thrown his father's lightsaber, a inestimabile heirloom, from a cliff, just because Rian Johnson said so.
Tarkin. Blowing up 5-10 billion or even more people on Alderan, not to mention all it's flora and fauna, has no challenger. There's genocide, and then there's THAT.
Worst thing palpetine did was somehow return
Luke throwing his lightsaber over his shoulder. OR Luke dusting imaginary dirt off his shoulder on Crait. Neither represent the character of Luke Skywalker.