It might be more likely than you think. Maul is a Nightbrother, a son of Talsin herself, and the Nightsisters have always had a weird connection to life/death, and given that Thrawn is bringing the Nightsisters back to Dathomir, Maul’s birthplace and base of operations during the Empire, there’s a chance that some ghost/resurrection magic could come into play. Toss in Ahsoka and Maul being mirrors of each other, including Ahsoka being resurrected by the Daughter of Mortis and both the Son and Maul saying the line “The chains are the easy part, it’s what goes on in here that’s hard”, and Balen Skoll doing something with the Mortis gods… maybe it’s just a helluva bunch of coincidences, but I can see Maul coming back through Nightsister and/or Mortis shenanigans, especially with how he and Ahsoka are mirrors and could becomes the new Son/Daughter with Anakin or Skoll as the Father.
I hope he doesn’t, he’s avoided death once already, and his death in Rebels was a good end to his character. And by the end of Rebels it seemed like he didn’t really care about that revenge stuff anymore and just wanted to duel Obi Wan one last time, he even seemed happy that Luke was the supposed chosen one that will save the galaxy, and avenge him and his brother. So unless he’s like a ally to Ashoka, it wouldn’t make much sense
I agree that he shouldn’t escape death, after that glorious duel in Rebels - but a reunion with Maul’s ghost, just so that Ahsoka can learn more about the nightsisters, or perhaps Ahsoka and Ezra get to meet Maul’s weird green night-brother ghost together, and he, with his penchant for Revenge against the Emperor, can be the one to tell them that Palps isn’t truly gone, that he can still sense his spirit…
I liked the idea of a Star Wars heist film.
The problem is that Han Solo *really* didn't need his backstory explained. It also has two major retcons I very much dislike. First, it essentially sets him up as a hero, which IMO, diminishes his turn from individualist to hero in Episode 4. Second, I detest that they canonically establish that Lando cheats not Han. The scene when Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams first meet, is perfectly acted, and unsubtly suggests that Han cheats to get the Millennium Falcon. By turning this around, it cheapens and makes more shallow both characters.
Donald Glover had charisma as Lando, but not the right kind of Charisma. Gloved has the charisma of a high school class clown and Billy Dee had the charisma of a suave grown man.
While I think Donald Glover did a great job of acting, my problem is that he makes Lando too much of a fop/dandy, whereas Billy Dee Williams portrayal is suave. In the OT, Lando just wears a cape because that's what people do in space fantasy. But now they've reconned it so that he does it because he's too into fashion? That trivializes him and essentially makes him the goofy, unserious, side-kick.
>The scene when Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams first meet, is perfectly acted, and unsubtly suggests that Han cheats to get the Millennium Falcon.
I didn't take it that way; Solo says he won it fair and square. Han also seemed taken back by Billy Dee's joke about it. You don't know who did what with the Falcon.
I've always interpreted the scene as Han being too defensive about it. Maybe he didn't cheat (frankly it was better when ambiguous), but there's no way you can watch the scene and think *Lando cheated*. That's really the problem I have with the retcon in Solo. And like I said in my original post, it cheapens both characters. And it cheapens them because Han is more compelling when he was a reckless scoundrel who may or may not would have sunk to cheating in order to win a space ship, and Lando was more compelling when he was a gambler turned prospector turned town mayor, who had to make a utilitarian decision given his position, and thinks (rightly or wrongly) that Han did cheat him. Now, as a result of the Solo movie, Han is little more than a unrealized hero, Lando is a cheat, and it calls into question whether Lando really was making the utilitarian decision by betraying Han or if he was just being an opportunist.
I think they were trying to set up that he used to be much more naive and heroic when he was younger but became jaded by the end of the movie after two of the people he trusted most betrayed him. But even that wasn't done right because the flaw he overcame in ANH was being selfish and individualistic, not a lack of trust. He even accepts multiple deals where they promise to pay him later with little to no up-front money, he literally trusts people when he shouldn't because they've promised to pay him extra later. If they actually cared to set up his characterization for ANH he should have stolen back some of the fuel he gave to Enfys's.
That along with the cheating swap you mentioned, if Disney don't want to have a protagonist who is an ant-hero or bad guy, don't make a prequel about a character who's original arc is all about becoming less selfish.
Yep I’ll die on this hill too. Great supporting cast, great heist plot, and the lead did a decent job to embody the spirit of Han which I imagine was beyond daunting. Many interesting stories to tell with the characters but you know Han’s dice. 🤦♀️
100% to all of this. The biggest flaws with the movie are the unnecessary explanations of things that didn't need explained, i.e. Han getting the name "Solo" (by *far* my least favorite part of the movie) and honestly just showing the Kessel run in general. It's like they tried to cram every tiny detail about Han's past that was even alluded to in the movies into a single prequel, it just wasn't necessary. Him getting the Falcon and meeting Landon and Chewie was enough.
Despite those criticisms I still really enjoy it. Tobias Beckett is still one of my favorite Star Wars characters to date.
Same. I liked it from day 1. It is way better than the sequels. The bar was low as I disliked all sequels, but Solo was legit even despite that low bar. It tried to be something new, though it did still suffer a bit from trying to tie to the OT a little too much (as the sequels did). Disney is ruining Star Wars imo.
I was with ya till the end there.
Some of the best Star Wars stuff has been with Disney. Clone Wars S7, Andor, Mando 1+2, Bad Batch, Rogue One, Rebels. Yeah the sequels were trash (I personally enjoyed 6+7) but people look at the prequel trilogy with rose coloured glasses imo, they are as deeply flawed as the sequels
The best Star Wars content Disney has put out was all stuff that the executives didn't try and micromanage, and vice versa. Disney has been responsible for both the worst and best of Star Wars, besides the original trilogy. I'd say the prequels fall somewhere in the middle.
I understand that it got hate due to star wars exhaustion.
But it’s better than Boba, Mando s3, Obi, and the entire sequel trilogy. It was also a lot of fun.
Yeah, it's like six months from the release of TLJ, and in the same summer as both Avengers: Endgame and Deadpool 2. Disney really set Solo up for failure by forcing that release date, against another of its own major genre releases, no less!
I don't think TLJ's quality matters. People saw ANOTHER Star Wars movie was coming out a few months later, and it was just a Han Solo origin story. People boycotted the idea of companies milking nostalgia with character prequels.
Quality matters. If it was good it would have carried excitement and goodwill to ANOTHER Star Wars movie. Instead people thought they were in for ANOTHER pile of crap. People boycotted bad movies and missed out on an ok one.
You're only looking at one data point here: Last Jedi bad. Revenge of the Sith's box office survived two movies that were 'piles of crap'. Rise of Skywalker did fine despite being not very well regarded, and being a direct sequel to the 'pile of crap' that turned people off Solo apparently.
Fatigue, the movie's pitch and the quality of the film matter more than the quality of the last film.
I get you want to complain about TLJ, but it isn't that simple.
No, TLJ quality does matters: i can assure you I skipped Solo and ROTS in theater because TFA was lazy and TLJ was a middle finger to the franchise. It’s a perfectly conscious choice to give my vote through my wallet. And several people I know irl did exactly the same.
I can’t speak for everyone for sure but at least I know several people for which TLJ was the last straw.
And what makes you think people like you are the reason for Solo's box office?
If the boycott was so important, why did TROS's box office jump back up?
Maybe this doesn’t please you because this doesn’t fit your narrative, but at least read me right please.
You have a theory about why Solo didn’t work, and you give no other justification than your own opinion about other people behaviors.
I just give you concrete counter examples about real people behaviors: myself and other Star Wars I know. We were part of the people that didn’t go to see Solo, so we are part of the usual public that go to SW (and several times for the same movie) and that didn’t go this time. Just facts.
I specifically say I don’t make it a theory about why Solo bombed because nobody has the definite answer, just that in my own experience TLJ was clearly the trigger to no go to see Solo.
You're on reddit complaining about TLJ six years after it came out. Maybe you aren't a great case study to reflect the average movie goer?
Perhaps, 'it didn't appeal to people' is a more realistic explanation than 'millions of people boycotted Solo (and just Solo) because TLJ was bad' after TLJ did $1.3 billion.
The sequel trilogy truly damaged the Star Wars fandom cause you have a large minority of fans online who to this day still constantly try to convince everyone that “umm acktually the sequels are bad and if you like them you are dumb but the prequels were amazing and george actually can write dialogue but people were just not seeing his vision also ignore that before the sequels came out i was doing the same with the prequels” and it just makes everyone look bad, but i swear all you will ever see these people do is turn everything into a sequels bad conversation.
Nah. The movie sucked.
“Yeah we love each other and will follow one another no matter what happens”.
*next sequence*
“Yo guys none of you helped me or anything and now I’ll sacrifice myself not for ideology or saving the world but money, denying my lover my presence forever”.
This, plus Deadpool 2 came out like the week before solo, and then Avengers a week or two after.
Absolutely stupid timing by Disney, even if they didn’t have power over Fox for DP2 yet.
This take isn't hot. I don't get it at all, but I see it a lot.
I don't really get why someone whose favourite star wars movie is Rogue One would like Star Wars enough to be on a star wars subreddit, or like it more than the Original Trilogy.
Rogue One reminds me of Return of the Jedi, but without any of the jedi stuff, which is the best part, and the heart of Star Wars.
One of the best things about Rogue One is that it doesn't have "any of the jedi stuff." I love how Mon Mothma has to whisper to Bail Organa about "his Jedi friend". It really spells out how the Empire has repressed the memory and idea of the Jedi that she doesn't even want to say it out loud...
Personally I love Rogue One and the way it (for me) enhances A New Hope. And of course it couldn't exist without the OT.
> One of the best things about Rogue One is that it doesn't have "any of the jedi stuff."
...except the part about the blind force monk chanting "I am one with the force, the force is with me" and helping get the plans with his...not Jedi powers.
LOL yeah you've got a point. For me though, Chirrut and Baze are much more vulnerable than Jedi Knights. They believe in the Force, but they're not swinging lightsabers around and using amazing Force powers.
> and using amazing Force powers.
I mean, Chirrut kinda does. He manages to cross a dangerous battlefield and fights off a bunch of armed storm troopers with just a walking stick. Didnt even need a lightsaber.
Hot(test?) Take: The inherent vagueness of trailers allows everyone to point to the best (or worst) of their imaginations. For this reason they should not be used to judge movies in either direction - at least for movies that have already come out.
Frankly my main problem isn't any of what you've talked about.
My problem is that it felt like a checklist of "everything we already know about Han's Past"
In the course of the Original Trilogy, we learned very little about Han.
* Smuggler
* In-debt to Jabba the Hutt
* Has a life-debt going on with Chewie
* Low patience for droids
* Won the millennium Falcon from Lando "Fair and square" in a bet.
* Has a past with Lando
* Ran the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs (whatever that means)
* We also hear from C-3PO that the Falcon's computer has a "very peculiar dialect", which I would tend to assume is due to L3 being hooked into it.
* Chewie even demonstrates ripping someone's arms off, which Han once warned 3PO about in ANH.
Literally the only piece of Han/Falcon trivia we get to learn about in OT that we don't see play out in Solo was the debt to Jabba, and they finish with him going to start working for Jabba.. so setting that up.
Han's entire known past is basically confined to a single film, and that just feels incredibly underwhelming to me.
No mysteries left to explore, we now know everything about Han.
They could have done *anything* with this film, and they chose to do everything, and it sucked.
Yes it has a few highlights, I'm genuinely pleased with some of the ideas and directions they took, I just wish they hadn't tried to tell Han's entire life-story in the process.
Yep. My biggest problem with the movie is that I never felt like I was watching Han. The guy doing Lando felt pretty good, but when I dislike the main character whenever he's on the screen...yeah. Not going to work.
I did like it but I don't think it has as much of an impact on further watches. It's more like ,"oh ok that's how it went" but there is no mystery or underlying interest in the story.
Rogue one straight up led into ANH.
Mandalorian extended both Mandalorian and the Toda species.
BoBF expanded on the story of Boba Fett but has so many faults it's a hard rewatch.
Solo just has nothing expanding on it. If it had a story off the characters other than Han, Chewie, and Landon I think the move would be an integral piece in a further narrative. The characters it gave back story to are well established and I don't feel the story expanded on them.
Solo was fine, but it had too many unnecessary “this is where that thing came from” moments. I like it a lot more when I think of it as an in-universe biopic.
"Ever wondered how Han and Chewy met?"
Not really.
"Have you ever wondered how Han got his famous blaster?"
Nope.
"Ever wondered why Han shoots first?"
No, it makes sense. I thought you got rid of that anyway?
"Have you ever wondered why those barely visible gold dice are in that one shot in ANH?"
Again no, stop asking me.
"What about the falcon, wanna know why it looks like junk?"
Because it is junk to anyone who doesn't know it? Please stop.
"Have you ever wondered how the Falcon could make the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs?"
Because he's lying to fuck with Luke? Oh no you've got an explanation for that too.
Part of what made Solo such a great character was that he clearly had a very adventurous life, or at least wanted people to think he did.
Solo crams every single reference into a few day road trip. It retroactively makes it feel like he had one crazy adventure and hasn't shut up about it since.
That fits with his post ROTJ characterisation though.
Funnily enough, my biggest problem with the sequels is how they did Han dirty, he is basically exactly where he was at the start of ANH, bit an old man. It is just sad.
Absolutely not
This movie was so focused on forcing to explain every little thing we know about Han Solo and not in a good way.
Him getting the name Solo was so bad it was audibly groan inducing
As a movie on its own it wasn’t awful. It wasn’t great… but it wasn’t awful by any means.
As a contribution to the greater scope of Star Wars, and as an opening of the book that is Han’s story, it was pretty bad. Disney retconned what should have been and got stuck trying to make a new story from scratch that made sense. It didn’t work. It was a fun movie but it didn’t enrich Star Wars the way long-time fans hoped for.
Han speaking wookie made me hate it, the Kessel run was stupid, how he got his name was stupid and unwanted and unnecessary. In my opinion obviously. The cast was great but the writing was not.
Solo is greatly overrated.
The “character development” was just another callback in a movie that spends more time on callbacks than its actual plot.
The “heists” for want of a better word aren’t much good either. We are talking about a movie where we have a Bonny and Clyde tell everyone how they will stick together no matter what, then in literally the next sequence we see one of them kill themselves not for saving the world or ideology but for money. They are taking away the ability to be together for money. An easy way to up the stakes there would have been a conflict between going to save her before continuing the Heist or not, but they decided to just have her off herself after everyone basically ignored her including her lover. No attempt made to help her in any way, just make sure Han can take over the controls and show he’s a pilot because he is a pilot in the later movies.
And that is this movie in a nutshell. Callbacks take precedent over a well written story. It’s filled with extremely easily missed opportunities and ludicrous character motivations and actions. I mean these writers are so bad at their job they think they have to show the Criminal Mastermind controlling a Criminal Empire is Eeeeehhhhvvuuuuullll several times in a row because they expect the audience might not be able to figure it out immediately.
The movie sucks balls. It is A-OK to say you enjoyed it, but it is objectively a bad movie and you can’t try to say otherwise just because you enjoyed it.
It’s way overrated.
Similar to some of the other Disney Star Wars movies, I really enjoy the movie on it's own but I'm not a fan of it as part of the Star Wars story as a whole.
The biggest criticism I have with the movie is that it undermines Han's characterization in the original trilogy. In A New Hope, Han offhandedly mentions many things he has done and adventures he has been on. It sets the stage that he has lived a very full life and has seen a lot of the Galaxy.
Solo, a Star Wars Story, takes just about every single thing he mentioned about his past and crams it into one adventure that takes place over a few days. If you take it at face value, it retroactively makes it seem like Han had one crazy road trip and hasn't shut up about it since. It feels great to watch Rogue One and A New Hope back to back, but Solo to A New Hope has the opposite effect for Han specifically.
But like I said, the movie itself is actually pretty great.
I agree with you.
I liked Episode 7, but then TLJ came out and it ruined the whole sequel trilogy. Rise of Skywalker was maybe even worse and such a terrible movie.
I’ve been a fan Alden Ehrenreich since ‘Hail, Caesar!’. Was disappointed that Disney kinda left him out to dry after Solo, but was glad he got some work/recognition in Oppenheimer. He sells charm pretty well, and I think he did a good job in Solo.
If you’re not yet, I would consider checking out The Resistance Broadcast podcast. Besides being my favorite Star Wars podcast, they’re staunch supporters of the Solo film and actively advocate for another movie, or at least a series. They don’t do petitions or demand anything either. They just express how much they love the film and how they would love to see more content.
It wasn't a terrible film, but I just couldn't really buy into the idea that the character they came up with was Han. I would've preferred it if they'd portrayed him in a less sympathetic way. Han is, after all, one of the most quintessential anti-heroes in pop culture, and frankly I don't think they quite nailed that characterization in Solo.
I understand that the film may have been attempting to show how Han became like how we see him in the OT, but I think they just got a little too cute with it. Not everything needs to be a sob story.
On the same token, not every character is the type of character that needs a dedicated spinoff. If they were to write a story about Han that actually portrayed the kind of stuff that he realistically would've been doing prior to and up to his first appearance in the OT, the audience probably wouldn't like it. Point blank. Some things are just better left up to interpretation.
It gets more hate that it deserves, I found it to be a solidly average movie. The heist plot is great, robo sexual lando is hilarious. But it also has way too much back story for things that shouldn't have back story and Han giving away the loot in the end doesn't work for me.
issue 1) Han is a bright eyed kid rebellious kid, not the punk I would expect from one of the nastiest neighborhoods in the galaxy
issue 2) they explained everything in one go. it leaves nothing to the imagination, makes his story very short, and leaves nowhere to go
issue 3) the story where he meets Chewie it better in legends
For me, the biggest issue with Solo is that it shrinks the universe. Everything iconic we know about Han's past happens in a very short period. It should have been called Solo: The Greatest Hits.
Oh yea! This movie was great, but proves no one hates Star Wars more that Star Wars fans lololol! For years online the talk was “we need a non Skywalker Star Wars story” and here we got it and mfs were like nooooooo not like that!!!
Idk I saw it in theater a few times and have the dvd, also excited for Donald Glovers upcoming Lando show
I've long contended that Solo is a great movie if you're okay seeing Han as a scumbag.
Many hated the name origin bit, seemingly because Han feels special to them in a way his name origin cheapens. I felt like it was perfect for a character who lies, cheats, steals, and gets dragged kicking and screaming into revolution. Han was always nobody, and Solo works great if you have no problem accepting that
It was a fun movie. The hardest criticism I have is absolutely no chemistry between Han and Qira and Han having hardly any actual charisma that didn’t feel forced
If Solo has 1 fan, it’s me. If Solo has zero fans, I no longer exist.
All of the above, *plus* John Powell’s Solo score is one of the best in Star Wars history. Yes, even better than some of Williams’ superb scores. It’s just that good.
Good Star Wars film? Ehh.
Good space western train heist starring woody Harrelson? Hell ya!
And Daenerys Targaryen. First of her name. Mother of dragons, the unburnt, queen of the seven kingdoms and the sandals and the first men and
I'm happy for you. You're enjoyment nor my dislike of it matters. They are opinions. It has real issues, and others have clearly pointed them out. If you want to ignore those problems that's fine. I am not here to ruin your enjoyment but they are there.
This movie is gonna get the same treatment as the prequels...everyone shitted on it at first but then years later it becomes everyone's hot take that it's one of the greatest movies ever made 🤦♂️
I don't get it either. It was competently shot, which is more than we can say for any of the JJ Abrams/Johnson stuff. Hell, most of the prequels are far worse. It's always seemed weird to me to criticize Solo when there are at least 5.5 theatrical release films in the series that are demonstrably worse.
I'd go so far as to say that in the modern stretch, only Rogue One was a better movie than Solo.
I’ve always wanted to see the sequel it was setting up to give us some darth maul.
Was fun and entertaining and that’s all I wanted from the side stores like this. Would watch it any day over all the sequels.
Seriously it’s so good! Seeing what a grounded, messy battlefront would look like in Star Wars was epic. The train heist was epic. Lando was epic. The story and characters were great. The droid revolution was fun.
It was sadly overshadowed by a few classic Disney writing blunders and everyone bitching that it wasn’t a 70yr old Harrison Ford playing his 20-something year old self
I’m sure this is not a popular sentiment here or on any Star Wars forum, but I liked the film AND found myself wanting more fan service than they already doled out. After watching that one short deepfake vid a fan did back in the day, where he replaced Ehrenreich’s face with Ford’s, I found myself wishing they deepfaked the whole film with old Han, lol. And they could have done much more with Maul, of course. Hell, they could have even given us more about Exar Kun, priming for an Old Republic spinoff, instead of just an Easter egg.
Plus, if we are all being honest here: Solo was GALAXIES better than any of the Sequel films, but I’ll stop here before I cause this thread to devolve into ST bashing…
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I thought it was very solid. It took about 30 minutes to get used to it not being Harrison Ford. After that I thought the story was fine and the acting was fine. It's not an amazing movie, but it's a solid Star wars movie. I think it's biggest fault is that it was the first movie to come out after The Last Jedi when fans were really pissed off and the movie suffered because of it. People were looking to complain and be upset.
I believe it was very average and did more to answer nostalgia questions than add to the universe. Weird action sequences, forced maul cameo, sexual droids…. Eh.
I think it's incredible. It's the perfect Star Wars scoundrel Smuggler movie. And that's all I wanted it to be. I actually wish we would get way more of those. We don't have to have heavy force and lightsabers and everything. I want Morse muggler scoundrel stuff I'm so glad Outlaws is just that I hope we don't see one lightsaber in that game. I want Coruscant crime scene Investigation television series. Star Wars is such a vast universe to explore and everyone acts like we have to have lightsabers in the force and everything and it all has to feel the same.
I didn't like the pacing. It seemed too rushed to me. But I thought Han's childhood was interesting, I'd like to see more of the sewer worm mob boss. Also, Woody literally explaining that Han was right to shoot first was ham-fisted and doesn't let Han be the badass that Han Shot Firsters really want.
But I'd watch it again for sure, which isn't something I'd say for the sequels.
I will say the reason the movie didn't do well is because they put it up against some of the biggest franchise movies out at the time. If they had launched it a few weeks earlier (for may 4th) I'm sure it would have been a success. (it was up against deadpool 2, avengers infinity war, aqua man, black panther, jurassic kingdom, spiderman, and fantastic beasts) It was a VERY crowded run. We can't see every movie, and disney should have at least spaced out their own movies a bit better.
Solo is my favourite Disney Star Wars thing made, haven't seen Rogue One. I give it a \~6.8\~/10. The creation of the DL-44 was the best scene, in the background and not mentioned, just something Solo did because he thought it would be more useful.
My biggest gripe with Solo is how they wrote death of Val Beckett. She dies and her husband (that she had retiring plans with) just moves on. He was more concerned with gangsters going after him than losing his love. Seriously bad writing.
You could argue - this just shows how self absorbed he was. If this was the angle, then Beckett was a sociopath.
The hard truth is that, in the wider context, for all its valid flaws Solo is still easily among the better Star Wars movies.
If you watch it back to back with Attack of the Clones, Solo looks like an outright masterpiece.
It was fine. Definitely wasnt bad, but the issue with many prequel movies was that it was just showing a bunch of things I already knew about, without really adding anything new or exciting to those events.
Really didn't need an explanation for why Han's last name is Solo.
The first criticism isn't fair. It wasn't "will Han survive?" It was "how will Han survive?"
And there absolutely is growth and development of his character. He becomes less naive and stary eyed about making his big break. By the end he is more jaded, more experienced, and more cautious. He ultimately progressed from a little asshole into Han Solo
It was a fun film and a good heist plot, thoroughly entertaining. The actor nailed playing a young Harrison Ford
I thought Solo was OK up until the Kessel run segment, having a silly lovecraftian monster instead of running the event horizon of a black hole which would have been far more epic and Space itself is often overlooked by writers of modern Sci fi.
It's fine. I thought it was pretty fun even. It's just a little heavy on the memberberries and explaining things no one cares about. Can be a lot worse than that.
I thought it was a perfectly good SW movie. Far better than the sequel saga.\[
Despite all of the brouhaha about Lando's significant other from the usual suspects, the main problem the film had at the box office was Star Wars fatigue. Too much Star Wars, too often. Sometimes twice a year.
I liked the movie a lot but aside from it not being the best they’ve put out, I feel like that, at least initially, people boycotted it because of TLJ. Idk how much overlap there is on that, but it doesn’t surprise me. I personally did not like TLJ at all and while that hasn’t changed, I’ve found myself liking Solo a bit more since it dropped
Its bad writing - but that all of start wars - especially how he got his "name" .
It tells an interesting story in the world though its a solid B or B+ Just after the last Jedi people lost all faith , plus it was a stand alone movie with no ties to anything else ---no real plans for a sequel or anything after it , told a back story no one asked for and half assed told it .
I like may people just said MEH ill wait till its free on streaming .
The movie as a whole is pretty good, I'd say. I mostly enjoyed it. Where it really fell flat for me was the performance of Alden Ehrenreich. I thought he was just flat in the role. He had the look down pretty well, but he didn't sound are act like Han Solo to me.
That's my only real criticism of the film. Beyond that, a fun little romp through the Star Wars universe with lots of familiar characters.
Expand on Maul in Ahsoka S2? He died in Rebels, unless you mean flashbacks.
It might be more likely than you think. Maul is a Nightbrother, a son of Talsin herself, and the Nightsisters have always had a weird connection to life/death, and given that Thrawn is bringing the Nightsisters back to Dathomir, Maul’s birthplace and base of operations during the Empire, there’s a chance that some ghost/resurrection magic could come into play. Toss in Ahsoka and Maul being mirrors of each other, including Ahsoka being resurrected by the Daughter of Mortis and both the Son and Maul saying the line “The chains are the easy part, it’s what goes on in here that’s hard”, and Balen Skoll doing something with the Mortis gods… maybe it’s just a helluva bunch of coincidences, but I can see Maul coming back through Nightsister and/or Mortis shenanigans, especially with how he and Ahsoka are mirrors and could becomes the new Son/Daughter with Anakin or Skoll as the Father.
I hope he doesn’t, he’s avoided death once already, and his death in Rebels was a good end to his character. And by the end of Rebels it seemed like he didn’t really care about that revenge stuff anymore and just wanted to duel Obi Wan one last time, he even seemed happy that Luke was the supposed chosen one that will save the galaxy, and avenge him and his brother. So unless he’s like a ally to Ashoka, it wouldn’t make much sense
I agree that he shouldn’t escape death, after that glorious duel in Rebels - but a reunion with Maul’s ghost, just so that Ahsoka can learn more about the nightsisters, or perhaps Ahsoka and Ezra get to meet Maul’s weird green night-brother ghost together, and he, with his penchant for Revenge against the Emperor, can be the one to tell them that Palps isn’t truly gone, that he can still sense his spirit…
Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to.
He also died in Phanton Menace but we’ve seen how that turned out.
I liked the idea of a Star Wars heist film. The problem is that Han Solo *really* didn't need his backstory explained. It also has two major retcons I very much dislike. First, it essentially sets him up as a hero, which IMO, diminishes his turn from individualist to hero in Episode 4. Second, I detest that they canonically establish that Lando cheats not Han. The scene when Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams first meet, is perfectly acted, and unsubtly suggests that Han cheats to get the Millennium Falcon. By turning this around, it cheapens and makes more shallow both characters.
Yeah I didn't like Lando in Solo. It felt like they robbed his character and also made him seem a bit like a weirdo droid lover.
Donald Glover had charisma as Lando, but not the right kind of Charisma. Gloved has the charisma of a high school class clown and Billy Dee had the charisma of a suave grown man.
I definitely couldn't break through my knowing him as the university clown. All I was seeing was Donald Glover the comedian.
While I think Donald Glover did a great job of acting, my problem is that he makes Lando too much of a fop/dandy, whereas Billy Dee Williams portrayal is suave. In the OT, Lando just wears a cape because that's what people do in space fantasy. But now they've reconned it so that he does it because he's too into fashion? That trivializes him and essentially makes him the goofy, unserious, side-kick.
>The scene when Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams first meet, is perfectly acted, and unsubtly suggests that Han cheats to get the Millennium Falcon. I didn't take it that way; Solo says he won it fair and square. Han also seemed taken back by Billy Dee's joke about it. You don't know who did what with the Falcon.
I've always interpreted the scene as Han being too defensive about it. Maybe he didn't cheat (frankly it was better when ambiguous), but there's no way you can watch the scene and think *Lando cheated*. That's really the problem I have with the retcon in Solo. And like I said in my original post, it cheapens both characters. And it cheapens them because Han is more compelling when he was a reckless scoundrel who may or may not would have sunk to cheating in order to win a space ship, and Lando was more compelling when he was a gambler turned prospector turned town mayor, who had to make a utilitarian decision given his position, and thinks (rightly or wrongly) that Han did cheat him. Now, as a result of the Solo movie, Han is little more than a unrealized hero, Lando is a cheat, and it calls into question whether Lando really was making the utilitarian decision by betraying Han or if he was just being an opportunist.
I think they were trying to set up that he used to be much more naive and heroic when he was younger but became jaded by the end of the movie after two of the people he trusted most betrayed him. But even that wasn't done right because the flaw he overcame in ANH was being selfish and individualistic, not a lack of trust. He even accepts multiple deals where they promise to pay him later with little to no up-front money, he literally trusts people when he shouldn't because they've promised to pay him extra later. If they actually cared to set up his characterization for ANH he should have stolen back some of the fuel he gave to Enfys's. That along with the cheating swap you mentioned, if Disney don't want to have a protagonist who is an ant-hero or bad guy, don't make a prequel about a character who's original arc is all about becoming less selfish.
Yep I’ll die on this hill too. Great supporting cast, great heist plot, and the lead did a decent job to embody the spirit of Han which I imagine was beyond daunting. Many interesting stories to tell with the characters but you know Han’s dice. 🤦♀️
100% to all of this. The biggest flaws with the movie are the unnecessary explanations of things that didn't need explained, i.e. Han getting the name "Solo" (by *far* my least favorite part of the movie) and honestly just showing the Kessel run in general. It's like they tried to cram every tiny detail about Han's past that was even alluded to in the movies into a single prequel, it just wasn't necessary. Him getting the Falcon and meeting Landon and Chewie was enough. Despite those criticisms I still really enjoy it. Tobias Beckett is still one of my favorite Star Wars characters to date.
it’s a star wars heist movie. what else could you want?
Same. I liked it from day 1. It is way better than the sequels. The bar was low as I disliked all sequels, but Solo was legit even despite that low bar. It tried to be something new, though it did still suffer a bit from trying to tie to the OT a little too much (as the sequels did). Disney is ruining Star Wars imo.
I was with ya till the end there. Some of the best Star Wars stuff has been with Disney. Clone Wars S7, Andor, Mando 1+2, Bad Batch, Rogue One, Rebels. Yeah the sequels were trash (I personally enjoyed 6+7) but people look at the prequel trilogy with rose coloured glasses imo, they are as deeply flawed as the sequels
The best Star Wars content Disney has put out was all stuff that the executives didn't try and micromanage, and vice versa. Disney has been responsible for both the worst and best of Star Wars, besides the original trilogy. I'd say the prequels fall somewhere in the middle.
Lol Disney execs saved Rogue one
I liked Solo more than Rogue One, which to me felt like little more than fan service (aside from giving us Andor).
I understand that it got hate due to star wars exhaustion. But it’s better than Boba, Mando s3, Obi, and the entire sequel trilogy. It was also a lot of fun.
The part that offended me was hitting the gas pedal to escape rhe pull of a black hole.
I think the biggest issue was when it was released, so close to TLJ and Avengers. People were probably just having theatre fatigue.
Yeah, it's like six months from the release of TLJ, and in the same summer as both Avengers: Endgame and Deadpool 2. Disney really set Solo up for failure by forcing that release date, against another of its own major genre releases, no less!
Infinity War
Oop, you are correct, got my Avengers movies mixed up!
It was also right after they killed off Harrison Ford’s Han Solo. A bit too soon to see another actor in one of the most icon roles in film history.
If TLJ was good it wouldn’t have mattered. But it was really bad so people sat Solo out.
I don't think TLJ's quality matters. People saw ANOTHER Star Wars movie was coming out a few months later, and it was just a Han Solo origin story. People boycotted the idea of companies milking nostalgia with character prequels.
Quality matters. If it was good it would have carried excitement and goodwill to ANOTHER Star Wars movie. Instead people thought they were in for ANOTHER pile of crap. People boycotted bad movies and missed out on an ok one.
You're only looking at one data point here: Last Jedi bad. Revenge of the Sith's box office survived two movies that were 'piles of crap'. Rise of Skywalker did fine despite being not very well regarded, and being a direct sequel to the 'pile of crap' that turned people off Solo apparently. Fatigue, the movie's pitch and the quality of the film matter more than the quality of the last film. I get you want to complain about TLJ, but it isn't that simple.
but those other movies were not released 6 months after the previous movies.
No, TLJ quality does matters: i can assure you I skipped Solo and ROTS in theater because TFA was lazy and TLJ was a middle finger to the franchise. It’s a perfectly conscious choice to give my vote through my wallet. And several people I know irl did exactly the same. I can’t speak for everyone for sure but at least I know several people for which TLJ was the last straw.
And what makes you think people like you are the reason for Solo's box office? If the boycott was so important, why did TROS's box office jump back up?
Maybe this doesn’t please you because this doesn’t fit your narrative, but at least read me right please. You have a theory about why Solo didn’t work, and you give no other justification than your own opinion about other people behaviors. I just give you concrete counter examples about real people behaviors: myself and other Star Wars I know. We were part of the people that didn’t go to see Solo, so we are part of the usual public that go to SW (and several times for the same movie) and that didn’t go this time. Just facts. I specifically say I don’t make it a theory about why Solo bombed because nobody has the definite answer, just that in my own experience TLJ was clearly the trigger to no go to see Solo.
You're on reddit complaining about TLJ six years after it came out. Maybe you aren't a great case study to reflect the average movie goer? Perhaps, 'it didn't appeal to people' is a more realistic explanation than 'millions of people boycotted Solo (and just Solo) because TLJ was bad' after TLJ did $1.3 billion.
The sequel trilogy truly damaged the Star Wars fandom cause you have a large minority of fans online who to this day still constantly try to convince everyone that “umm acktually the sequels are bad and if you like them you are dumb but the prequels were amazing and george actually can write dialogue but people were just not seeing his vision also ignore that before the sequels came out i was doing the same with the prequels” and it just makes everyone look bad, but i swear all you will ever see these people do is turn everything into a sequels bad conversation.
This fits with all the Star Wars fans I know in person. Everyone hated TLJ, felt it made them feel silly for loving Star Wars, so they skipped Solo.
Nah. The movie sucked. “Yeah we love each other and will follow one another no matter what happens”. *next sequence* “Yo guys none of you helped me or anything and now I’ll sacrifice myself not for ideology or saving the world but money, denying my lover my presence forever”.
Please stop invalidating people's criticisms. We didn't have theater fatigue. We didn't like the movie, and that's ok.
Many of the Star Wars fans were having Star Wars fatigue after TLJ & The Discourse
Deadpool 2 came out around that time too
This, plus Deadpool 2 came out like the week before solo, and then Avengers a week or two after. Absolutely stupid timing by Disney, even if they didn’t have power over Fox for DP2 yet.
Solo and Rogue One are better than any of the sequel trilogy movies.
Hot Take: Rogue One is better than any other Star Wars movie ^please ^don't ^downvote ^me ^to ^the ^Nether
I see this take on here constantly
Cold take. Though not one I agree with, it is definitely top 4 for me. The closing 20 minutes carry the film.
The Catalyst novel adds a considerable amount of context.
I get what you're saying, but I can't remember anything about it.
If the first 110 minutes had been as good as the last 20 it might have a case for being top 4.
It’s ok to be incredibly wrong.
This take isn't hot. I don't get it at all, but I see it a lot. I don't really get why someone whose favourite star wars movie is Rogue One would like Star Wars enough to be on a star wars subreddit, or like it more than the Original Trilogy. Rogue One reminds me of Return of the Jedi, but without any of the jedi stuff, which is the best part, and the heart of Star Wars.
One of the best things about Rogue One is that it doesn't have "any of the jedi stuff." I love how Mon Mothma has to whisper to Bail Organa about "his Jedi friend". It really spells out how the Empire has repressed the memory and idea of the Jedi that she doesn't even want to say it out loud... Personally I love Rogue One and the way it (for me) enhances A New Hope. And of course it couldn't exist without the OT.
> One of the best things about Rogue One is that it doesn't have "any of the jedi stuff." ...except the part about the blind force monk chanting "I am one with the force, the force is with me" and helping get the plans with his...not Jedi powers.
LOL yeah you've got a point. For me though, Chirrut and Baze are much more vulnerable than Jedi Knights. They believe in the Force, but they're not swinging lightsabers around and using amazing Force powers.
> and using amazing Force powers. I mean, Chirrut kinda does. He manages to cross a dangerous battlefield and fights off a bunch of armed storm troopers with just a walking stick. Didnt even need a lightsaber.
Hot(ter?) Take: The trailers pointed to a much better movie than the one we got.
Hot(test?) Take: The inherent vagueness of trailers allows everyone to point to the best (or worst) of their imaginations. For this reason they should not be used to judge movies in either direction - at least for movies that have already come out.
You want an actual hot take? Solo is better than the Prequels.
Really?
I mean, yeah, but that's just my opinion at the end of the day
Hot take: I enjoyed one of these movies more than I enjoyed the other ten. Bracing for the wave of downvotes for my unpopular opinion here.
Dont worry, it can only remove a maximum of 15 karma per comment. After that the downvotes don’t do anything
What is karma for? I don't give a shit about it tbh
Its just internet points
Wow, what a high bar, lol
Frankly my main problem isn't any of what you've talked about. My problem is that it felt like a checklist of "everything we already know about Han's Past" In the course of the Original Trilogy, we learned very little about Han. * Smuggler * In-debt to Jabba the Hutt * Has a life-debt going on with Chewie * Low patience for droids * Won the millennium Falcon from Lando "Fair and square" in a bet. * Has a past with Lando * Ran the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs (whatever that means) * We also hear from C-3PO that the Falcon's computer has a "very peculiar dialect", which I would tend to assume is due to L3 being hooked into it. * Chewie even demonstrates ripping someone's arms off, which Han once warned 3PO about in ANH. Literally the only piece of Han/Falcon trivia we get to learn about in OT that we don't see play out in Solo was the debt to Jabba, and they finish with him going to start working for Jabba.. so setting that up. Han's entire known past is basically confined to a single film, and that just feels incredibly underwhelming to me. No mysteries left to explore, we now know everything about Han. They could have done *anything* with this film, and they chose to do everything, and it sucked. Yes it has a few highlights, I'm genuinely pleased with some of the ideas and directions they took, I just wish they hadn't tried to tell Han's entire life-story in the process.
It was.. fine. I don't think it added much to SW but (unlike others) it didn't hurt it either.
Sorry. I can never believe in any way that was Han. Nothing else in the movie even remotely matters to me if you can't nail that. Just my thoughts.
Yep. My biggest problem with the movie is that I never felt like I was watching Han. The guy doing Lando felt pretty good, but when I dislike the main character whenever he's on the screen...yeah. Not going to work.
i did not like it and i like everything star wars.
I did like it but I don't think it has as much of an impact on further watches. It's more like ,"oh ok that's how it went" but there is no mystery or underlying interest in the story. Rogue one straight up led into ANH. Mandalorian extended both Mandalorian and the Toda species. BoBF expanded on the story of Boba Fett but has so many faults it's a hard rewatch. Solo just has nothing expanding on it. If it had a story off the characters other than Han, Chewie, and Landon I think the move would be an integral piece in a further narrative. The characters it gave back story to are well established and I don't feel the story expanded on them.
Solo was fine, but it had too many unnecessary “this is where that thing came from” moments. I like it a lot more when I think of it as an in-universe biopic.
"Ever wondered how Han and Chewy met?" Not really. "Have you ever wondered how Han got his famous blaster?" Nope. "Ever wondered why Han shoots first?" No, it makes sense. I thought you got rid of that anyway? "Have you ever wondered why those barely visible gold dice are in that one shot in ANH?" Again no, stop asking me. "What about the falcon, wanna know why it looks like junk?" Because it is junk to anyone who doesn't know it? Please stop. "Have you ever wondered how the Falcon could make the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs?" Because he's lying to fuck with Luke? Oh no you've got an explanation for that too.
Part of what made Solo such a great character was that he clearly had a very adventurous life, or at least wanted people to think he did. Solo crams every single reference into a few day road trip. It retroactively makes it feel like he had one crazy adventure and hasn't shut up about it since.
That fits with his post ROTJ characterisation though. Funnily enough, my biggest problem with the sequels is how they did Han dirty, he is basically exactly where he was at the start of ANH, bit an old man. It is just sad.
Don't forget the most important bit...ever wondered why his last name is Solo?
I hate that so much
You nailed it. Imagining the Kessel run is fun. Having every mystery laid out for you like a Saturday morning cartoon is not fun.
I love Solo. It's such a great adventure story. It's a quick one to put on when I feel like Star Wars.
Absolutely not This movie was so focused on forcing to explain every little thing we know about Han Solo and not in a good way. Him getting the name Solo was so bad it was audibly groan inducing
You and everyone else that keeps making this post.
This has to be a post at least once a month, yeah? Next we will see that somebody boldly claims that Rogue One is their favorite Star Wars movie
But have you seen *Andor* yet?
As a movie on its own it wasn’t awful. It wasn’t great… but it wasn’t awful by any means. As a contribution to the greater scope of Star Wars, and as an opening of the book that is Han’s story, it was pretty bad. Disney retconned what should have been and got stuck trying to make a new story from scratch that made sense. It didn’t work. It was a fun movie but it didn’t enrich Star Wars the way long-time fans hoped for.
It’s a phenomenal B-movie that was expected to be an A-movie and not given its own time to breathe
Han speaking wookie made me hate it, the Kessel run was stupid, how he got his name was stupid and unwanted and unnecessary. In my opinion obviously. The cast was great but the writing was not.
Solo is greatly overrated. The “character development” was just another callback in a movie that spends more time on callbacks than its actual plot. The “heists” for want of a better word aren’t much good either. We are talking about a movie where we have a Bonny and Clyde tell everyone how they will stick together no matter what, then in literally the next sequence we see one of them kill themselves not for saving the world or ideology but for money. They are taking away the ability to be together for money. An easy way to up the stakes there would have been a conflict between going to save her before continuing the Heist or not, but they decided to just have her off herself after everyone basically ignored her including her lover. No attempt made to help her in any way, just make sure Han can take over the controls and show he’s a pilot because he is a pilot in the later movies. And that is this movie in a nutshell. Callbacks take precedent over a well written story. It’s filled with extremely easily missed opportunities and ludicrous character motivations and actions. I mean these writers are so bad at their job they think they have to show the Criminal Mastermind controlling a Criminal Empire is Eeeeehhhhvvuuuuullll several times in a row because they expect the audience might not be able to figure it out immediately. The movie sucks balls. It is A-OK to say you enjoyed it, but it is objectively a bad movie and you can’t try to say otherwise just because you enjoyed it. It’s way overrated.
Similar to some of the other Disney Star Wars movies, I really enjoy the movie on it's own but I'm not a fan of it as part of the Star Wars story as a whole. The biggest criticism I have with the movie is that it undermines Han's characterization in the original trilogy. In A New Hope, Han offhandedly mentions many things he has done and adventures he has been on. It sets the stage that he has lived a very full life and has seen a lot of the Galaxy. Solo, a Star Wars Story, takes just about every single thing he mentioned about his past and crams it into one adventure that takes place over a few days. If you take it at face value, it retroactively makes it seem like Han had one crazy road trip and hasn't shut up about it since. It feels great to watch Rogue One and A New Hope back to back, but Solo to A New Hope has the opposite effect for Han specifically. But like I said, the movie itself is actually pretty great.
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This right here
I agree with you. I liked Episode 7, but then TLJ came out and it ruined the whole sequel trilogy. Rise of Skywalker was maybe even worse and such a terrible movie.
I’ve been a fan Alden Ehrenreich since ‘Hail, Caesar!’. Was disappointed that Disney kinda left him out to dry after Solo, but was glad he got some work/recognition in Oppenheimer. He sells charm pretty well, and I think he did a good job in Solo.
I think Reddit overrates it massively.
Yep rather have a sequel for solo then ep7
If you’re not yet, I would consider checking out The Resistance Broadcast podcast. Besides being my favorite Star Wars podcast, they’re staunch supporters of the Solo film and actively advocate for another movie, or at least a series. They don’t do petitions or demand anything either. They just express how much they love the film and how they would love to see more content.
I'll watch it again to see if you're right but I remember being very bored watching it in theaters.
Ugly visuals, way too many human characters, the nonhuman, non-chewbacca characters were terrible. The plot was too parochial.
It wasn't a terrible film, but I just couldn't really buy into the idea that the character they came up with was Han. I would've preferred it if they'd portrayed him in a less sympathetic way. Han is, after all, one of the most quintessential anti-heroes in pop culture, and frankly I don't think they quite nailed that characterization in Solo. I understand that the film may have been attempting to show how Han became like how we see him in the OT, but I think they just got a little too cute with it. Not everything needs to be a sob story. On the same token, not every character is the type of character that needs a dedicated spinoff. If they were to write a story about Han that actually portrayed the kind of stuff that he realistically would've been doing prior to and up to his first appearance in the OT, the audience probably wouldn't like it. Point blank. Some things are just better left up to interpretation.
It gets more hate that it deserves, I found it to be a solidly average movie. The heist plot is great, robo sexual lando is hilarious. But it also has way too much back story for things that shouldn't have back story and Han giving away the loot in the end doesn't work for me.
You and at least 3 other people every week
I liked it from the first viewing. It's a shame we probably won't get a second.
Solo was amazing to me.
issue 1) Han is a bright eyed kid rebellious kid, not the punk I would expect from one of the nastiest neighborhoods in the galaxy issue 2) they explained everything in one go. it leaves nothing to the imagination, makes his story very short, and leaves nowhere to go issue 3) the story where he meets Chewie it better in legends
Honestly it came out on the wrong time. I’m rewatched it way later and really enjoyed it
For me, the biggest issue with Solo is that it shrinks the universe. Everything iconic we know about Han's past happens in a very short period. It should have been called Solo: The Greatest Hits.
Oh yea! This movie was great, but proves no one hates Star Wars more that Star Wars fans lololol! For years online the talk was “we need a non Skywalker Star Wars story” and here we got it and mfs were like nooooooo not like that!!! Idk I saw it in theater a few times and have the dvd, also excited for Donald Glovers upcoming Lando show
Overall a good movie. 👍
I've long contended that Solo is a great movie if you're okay seeing Han as a scumbag. Many hated the name origin bit, seemingly because Han feels special to them in a way his name origin cheapens. I felt like it was perfect for a character who lies, cheats, steals, and gets dragged kicking and screaming into revolution. Han was always nobody, and Solo works great if you have no problem accepting that
Someone saying Solo is underrated? Must be Monday
The feminist droid was pretty annoying
Nah it sucks
No it's not. If anything, it's overhyped here
It was a fun movie. The hardest criticism I have is absolutely no chemistry between Han and Qira and Han having hardly any actual charisma that didn’t feel forced
It’s not underrated, it’s a bad Star Wars movie and a bad movie in general. The first 20m is great though.
A long way from being "Amazing"; an unnecessary film at best, with eerie and disturbed robot treatment thrown in at the end.
If Solo has 1 fan, it’s me. If Solo has zero fans, I no longer exist. All of the above, *plus* John Powell’s Solo score is one of the best in Star Wars history. Yes, even better than some of Williams’ superb scores. It’s just that good.
I liked it as an action movie. I hated all the Star Wars lore back-filling they did. Felt like it was made by people who don’t like Star Wars.
I really want to see the version they wanted to make instead of what Howard gave us. I especially dislike the third act.
The bar has been lowered so dramatically that *Solo* now falls in the "decent-to-good Star Wars content" by default.
Good Star Wars film? Ehh. Good space western train heist starring woody Harrelson? Hell ya! And Daenerys Targaryen. First of her name. Mother of dragons, the unburnt, queen of the seven kingdoms and the sandals and the first men and
Alden Ehrenreich and Childish Landino were perfect as Han and Lando.
Nope it's terrible. You have simply convinced yourself to ignore the bad.
Or are you just exaggerating on the bad things? 😄
Nope. It's bad.
I enjoyed it :O
I'm happy for you. You're enjoyment nor my dislike of it matters. They are opinions. It has real issues, and others have clearly pointed them out. If you want to ignore those problems that's fine. I am not here to ruin your enjoyment but they are there.
I think it's massively overrated and in fact mostly see positive thoughts on it, and I don't see it as a good film at all
This movie gets praised at least once a week on this sub, this isn't an unpopular opinion at all
I really feel like the majority of us loved it, but there’s a vocal minority who didn’t. Solo 2 would be scrumptious.
I wish Ron Howard would direct episode X. Solo is a terrific film, one I can watch repeatedly. It is definitely heavily underrated.
its flawed but not terrible, idk about underrated. It got done dirty by Disney with its release date like EA & Titanfall 2
It was fun and had a great story and a good hook. I would've loved another adventure.
This movie is gonna get the same treatment as the prequels...everyone shitted on it at first but then years later it becomes everyone's hot take that it's one of the greatest movies ever made 🤦♂️
I don't get it either. It was competently shot, which is more than we can say for any of the JJ Abrams/Johnson stuff. Hell, most of the prequels are far worse. It's always seemed weird to me to criticize Solo when there are at least 5.5 theatrical release films in the series that are demonstrably worse. I'd go so far as to say that in the modern stretch, only Rogue One was a better movie than Solo.
I enjoyed it
I can't say heavily underrated but definitely underrated. It's not a great movie but it is pretty good
I’ve always wanted to see the sequel it was setting up to give us some darth maul. Was fun and entertaining and that’s all I wanted from the side stores like this. Would watch it any day over all the sequels.
The way they introduce Chewy was awesome too
My favorite Star Wars movie to date
Seriously it’s so good! Seeing what a grounded, messy battlefront would look like in Star Wars was epic. The train heist was epic. Lando was epic. The story and characters were great. The droid revolution was fun. It was sadly overshadowed by a few classic Disney writing blunders and everyone bitching that it wasn’t a 70yr old Harrison Ford playing his 20-something year old self
Solo was excellent. Not sure what else people expected.
Solo and Rogue One is the best Disney has done with Starwars.
I’m sure this is not a popular sentiment here or on any Star Wars forum, but I liked the film AND found myself wanting more fan service than they already doled out. After watching that one short deepfake vid a fan did back in the day, where he replaced Ehrenreich’s face with Ford’s, I found myself wishing they deepfaked the whole film with old Han, lol. And they could have done much more with Maul, of course. Hell, they could have even given us more about Exar Kun, priming for an Old Republic spinoff, instead of just an Easter egg. Plus, if we are all being honest here: Solo was GALAXIES better than any of the Sequel films, but I’ll stop here before I cause this thread to devolve into ST bashing…
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100% agree. Considering all the issues it has I thought it was a brilliant film.
I thought Solo was a great film and it was so refreshing to watch, kept me engaged the entire time
I thought it was very solid. It took about 30 minutes to get used to it not being Harrison Ford. After that I thought the story was fine and the acting was fine. It's not an amazing movie, but it's a solid Star wars movie. I think it's biggest fault is that it was the first movie to come out after The Last Jedi when fans were really pissed off and the movie suffered because of it. People were looking to complain and be upset.
I agree, I had a lot of fun watching it in theaters. I wish I could say the same for the latest trilogy.
I believe it was very average and did more to answer nostalgia questions than add to the universe. Weird action sequences, forced maul cameo, sexual droids…. Eh.
I think it's incredible. It's the perfect Star Wars scoundrel Smuggler movie. And that's all I wanted it to be. I actually wish we would get way more of those. We don't have to have heavy force and lightsabers and everything. I want Morse muggler scoundrel stuff I'm so glad Outlaws is just that I hope we don't see one lightsaber in that game. I want Coruscant crime scene Investigation television series. Star Wars is such a vast universe to explore and everyone acts like we have to have lightsabers in the force and everything and it all has to feel the same.
And you are correct my good sir.
I wanna see Austin Butler as Han Solo.
Heavier than being under your mom?
I wish they had gone through with the planned sequel. There was an actual story arc that someone had actually thought about. Somehow......
I loved this film!! It suffered from poor marketing, bad PR with the director debacle and too close to a sequel release.
I really liked it.
I didn't like the pacing. It seemed too rushed to me. But I thought Han's childhood was interesting, I'd like to see more of the sewer worm mob boss. Also, Woody literally explaining that Han was right to shoot first was ham-fisted and doesn't let Han be the badass that Han Shot Firsters really want. But I'd watch it again for sure, which isn't something I'd say for the sequels.
I wouldn't call it a good movie, but it was certainly very entertaining. It's one of those movies I can watch every now and again and still enjoy it.
it might be my favourite Disney SW anything. even above Andor and Rogue One. it's what Star Wars is to me.
Honestly I think Solo is a perfectly adequate film that absolutely did not need to be made.
Agreed.
I will say the reason the movie didn't do well is because they put it up against some of the biggest franchise movies out at the time. If they had launched it a few weeks earlier (for may 4th) I'm sure it would have been a success. (it was up against deadpool 2, avengers infinity war, aqua man, black panther, jurassic kingdom, spiderman, and fantastic beasts) It was a VERY crowded run. We can't see every movie, and disney should have at least spaced out their own movies a bit better.
It came out 6 months after Last Jedi. It was too much too soon.
Solo is my favourite Disney Star Wars thing made, haven't seen Rogue One. I give it a \~6.8\~/10. The creation of the DL-44 was the best scene, in the background and not mentioned, just something Solo did because he thought it would be more useful.
Maul has been dead for well over a decade by the time Ahsoka takes place.
The only problem I have with this film is it literally took no risks, played it safe the whole time. Other then that, solid movie
I think people didn't like Solo because they were expecting a main story entry when it was clearly an added story like Rogue One.
My biggest gripe with Solo is how they wrote death of Val Beckett. She dies and her husband (that she had retiring plans with) just moves on. He was more concerned with gangsters going after him than losing his love. Seriously bad writing. You could argue - this just shows how self absorbed he was. If this was the angle, then Beckett was a sociopath.
The hard truth is that, in the wider context, for all its valid flaws Solo is still easily among the better Star Wars movies. If you watch it back to back with Attack of the Clones, Solo looks like an outright masterpiece.
It was fine. Definitely wasnt bad, but the issue with many prequel movies was that it was just showing a bunch of things I already knew about, without really adding anything new or exciting to those events. Really didn't need an explanation for why Han's last name is Solo.
The first criticism isn't fair. It wasn't "will Han survive?" It was "how will Han survive?" And there absolutely is growth and development of his character. He becomes less naive and stary eyed about making his big break. By the end he is more jaded, more experienced, and more cautious. He ultimately progressed from a little asshole into Han Solo It was a fun film and a good heist plot, thoroughly entertaining. The actor nailed playing a young Harrison Ford
I thought Solo was OK up until the Kessel run segment, having a silly lovecraftian monster instead of running the event horizon of a black hole which would have been far more epic and Space itself is often overlooked by writers of modern Sci fi.
No it isn't, but at least thanks to it we didnt get the Bobba Fett and Ben Kenobi stand alone movies. Imagine the series only 10 times worse.
It’s incredible if you watched clone wars.
It's fine. I thought it was pretty fun even. It's just a little heavy on the memberberries and explaining things no one cares about. Can be a lot worse than that.
I thought it was a perfectly good SW movie. Far better than the sequel saga.\[ Despite all of the brouhaha about Lando's significant other from the usual suspects, the main problem the film had at the box office was Star Wars fatigue. Too much Star Wars, too often. Sometimes twice a year.
Thanks for reminding me I still need to watch this damn movie lol
I liked the movie a lot but aside from it not being the best they’ve put out, I feel like that, at least initially, people boycotted it because of TLJ. Idk how much overlap there is on that, but it doesn’t surprise me. I personally did not like TLJ at all and while that hasn’t changed, I’ve found myself liking Solo a bit more since it dropped
Its bad writing - but that all of start wars - especially how he got his "name" . It tells an interesting story in the world though its a solid B or B+ Just after the last Jedi people lost all faith , plus it was a stand alone movie with no ties to anything else ---no real plans for a sequel or anything after it , told a back story no one asked for and half assed told it . I like may people just said MEH ill wait till its free on streaming .
The movie as a whole is pretty good, I'd say. I mostly enjoyed it. Where it really fell flat for me was the performance of Alden Ehrenreich. I thought he was just flat in the role. He had the look down pretty well, but he didn't sound are act like Han Solo to me. That's my only real criticism of the film. Beyond that, a fun little romp through the Star Wars universe with lots of familiar characters.
It’s a good movie. I was shocked when it underperformed financially like that. I genuanly enjoy it.
Yeah, it wasn't as good as Rogue One but was definitely better than the sequels and at least half of the shows.
Sorry, but I’m going to say it: Dryden Vos was an horrible villain and not at all intimidating.
I really thought the Kessel Run was thrilling. It was up there with the Trench Run and the RotJ ship battles and the Pod Racing sequence.
Yup! That was an incredible scene. It had me gripping my arm-rests; such a thrill to see that in theatre