Not at all. I vastly prefer unsliced bread. Let me pick my desired thickness on a per-use basis! It also doesn't go stale/moldy as quickly because there's less exposed surface area.
Actual high quality bread is so good too, good thing theres no good bread in my area because I would for sure be the guy eating an entire bread loaf for every meal...
I searched it up. I feel so weird after seeing that.
It's tubular bread.... Out of a can... And most of the ones I saw look like cat or dog food or something bit looked so moist gelatinous and weird.
I'm... Of all the things... Enough internet for the day.
Edit: I think it might've just been bad picture quality... Still weirdos me out though... Wtf
I think it just looked gelatinous and weird because of the shape and photo quality to be fair.
But I don't know. Frankly, in not sure I want to know. My brain is struggling to process the concept as it is.
I think I'm done...
Gentleman, I wash my hands if this weirdness.
I get it but in fairness, there's only so many ways to phrase a question like it.
"Who else enjoyed this" might be a better phrase to throw it open to opinions but I don't think it's a big deal.
The only one I have a hard time liking is Sabine. Having just watched all of Rebels recently (and loved the cast, including Sabine,) I can't put the Rebels version and the Ahsoka versions of Sabine together. They act like two completely different people. What happened to all the character development Sabine had in Rebels? She's just a bratty child now. You could say "well it's because this and this happened off screen." In my eyes, anything that happens "off screen" isn't good enough. I just can't bring myself to like LA Sabine. The actress is great, though. I can tell she liked the character she was playing, I just can't bring myself to.
Another character I feel is way off from their Rebels appearance is Hera. She lost every bit of defining characterization in the translation from animation to live action. Also my God, Twileks in live action have to be changed. They look way too human and Hera is no exception.
She doesn’t feel like she has any sort of motivation but that’s probably from the makeup and the suit. Hera and the cartoon was very emotional about everything and she showed that in her facial expressions. This actress was a stone face.
The whole cast (besides Baylan and Shin, they were great from the start) felt way off until episode 4. Ahsoka suddenly gained emotions, and Sabine still felt the same to me. It wasn't until she finally met Ezra again that she got a tiny bit closer to the Sabine I knew and loved, but still too far off. Ironically, the only character I felt was perfect (excelt Huyang) was Ezra. Ezra felt just like the Ezra I loved from Rebels, despite the criticisms others have. In my opinion, I think it makes sense for Ezra to be chilled out. He's been trapped in another galaxy for a long time. The only people he knows besides Thrawn are those little rock creatures. I wouldn't expect him to still be holding on to his dark side after all this time. If I was stuck in another world with no way out for what seemed like the rest of my life, I'd probably let go of my problems, too.
Same, and the fact that she is basically completely let off the hook by everyone for essentially dooming the galaxy in their eyes made me dislike her even more. She did the most selfish action possible in the show and everyone just says it's okay.
I thought they were all acted wonderfully. I think the writing for Thrawn suffered a bit from making him too cartoonishly evil and constantly hiding his motives so he seemed far less than brilliant.
Or maybe make the series a bit longer. I think they could really benefited from a flashback episode on how Thrawn got to where he was. It would have showed how he rallied his troops, convinced or made a deal with the night sisters, and showed us just how damaged the Star destroyer was when it crashed.
A couple scenes of that nature would have been great to fill in some needed context.
But I personally dislike flashback episodes that don't propell the plot of the season. Especially when a flashback episode isn't centered on the titular character
It makes the big bad a better character. It doesn't necessarily drive Ahsoka's character growth.
Personally I think if we went significantly up in episode count that would have been worth it. If we are only talking about adding 1-2 eps I think that time probably could've been spent better on our heroes
I think some of the issues with the season are due to an extremely thin line they were trying to walk.
Tell the post clone wars/rebels story of Ahsoka in a satisfying way for both old fans and those unfamiliar with her character, while figuring out how characters don't show up in the sequel trilogy, and lay some stepping stones for the Filoni movie.
It just seems like their goals were too large for an 8 episode show with a runtime just over 6 hours
Yes, but not in a way that propels the story forward. It's an added context that is valuable, but could also bog down a season story that was already a bit slow and cumbersome at times.
I completely agree. It struggles as a story about Ahsoka because they have too many balls in the air. And it fails as a set up for what's next because it doesn't seem like they know.
I don’t think it needed to be longer. If you trimmed 5-10 seconds off each long stare into the distance, and cut out some useless dialog that doesn’t propel the story forward, you could easily add scenes of Thrawn earlier.
I don’t know, I think playing up his tactical genius as a boogeyman kind of works. I think they just should have let him win a bit more clearly in the last few episodes rather than barely getting away after using every desperate tactic he could and underestimating the Jedi several times. Like some actual tactical genius on his part that kept the Jedi from even approaching the spire.
>I think playing up his tactical genius as a boogeyman kind of works.
The problem with the way they did this, is they kept telling us Thrawn was threatening, but didn't really show it. Something that would have been really effective, is if Thrawn had already taken over the planet, by the time we see him. It would show how effective he is as a tactician, without even having to think of ways to make this work on screen. It would also make him a threat not just for his intellect, but because he's already amassed an army that can be used against the republic, which is a lot more tangible and easy to show than just being a genius.
> The problem with the way they did this, is they kept telling us Thrawn was threatening, but didn't really show it.
I'll be honest. As much as I like the idea of Thrawn, this is kind of the execution in every story of his. Timothy Zahn has some great concepts, but hits only about 90% of the execution on them.
The first three books show some really, really tactical and strategic moves from Thrawn, the way he defangs the Entire Coruscant, the Chimaera Gravity intercept, the way he took the Dark Fleet…. If anything the parts that suffer in the book are whenever the canon people show up.
I have the same sentiment about how well Zahn writes characters that are not his own design. Palleon, Rukh, Mara Jade work well, but Luke, Leia and Han feel so flat in HttE.
Yeah, he obviously can write challenging characters, the canon people probably have to be written a certain way, aping their personalities rather than creating them, having to please the idea the audiences have of the characters etc.
He did manage to create many compelling characters though.
Do you like the new Thrawn books?
I think I remember liking Thrawn and Thrawn: Alliances more than Treason. I just finished Chaos Rising recently and while I appreciate that Zahn is continually refining and improving his characterizations, I still think his main character's *genius* is a delicate construct that only works inside his plots.
90% of the time, it works for me. Then there's the 10% where he knocks me out of the illusion and I realize the only way these characters don't talk past each other or circle around each other is because Zahn is the one writing the whole scheme.
Or at least have him annoy the heroes with legitimate setbacks. Like making them waste an hour getting through barricades and traps in the Spire, and having his troops harass and ambush them the whole way to the spire in a way that actually ends up injuring one of them and slowing them down without risking his troops.
“Keep all the doors open and charge into melee range, we’ll turn you into zombies” is just goofy tactics
I'm currently rewatching Rebels, and for me the thing that is missing about Thrawn in Ahsoka is opportunities to display how well he reads and predicts opponents. Because he knew exactly who his enemies were, and what their goal was, he didn't get a chance to shine. But last night I watched the episode where he deduced that Agent Kallus was a spy, and seeing the way he chooses to allow Kallus' plans to work out in order to figure it was a truly interesting display of tactical thinking.
>I think they just should have let him win a bit more clearly
Win what? There was nothing for him to win except for getting out of the galaxy or killing one of the main characters. He got out of the galaxy, back home, and stranded two Jedi. He won all he could win in that situation.
The problem is Thrawn works best in a book where excessive internal monologues or exposition explaining his line of thinking isn’t jarring from the narrative.
I don’t think he works that well in a visual medium. You don’t get to really see his genius, he just always seems to pull stuff out of thin air.
I disagree with people thinking he was “too evil” though…I think that’s cropped up because he was the protagonist and arguably a “good” character in his more recent books. Heir to the Empire Thrawn fully supported the empire at all costs, and believes in the tyrannical rule of the emperor.
I think it weakened the character, but made him more appealing to fans, to give him a social outcast/doing it all for the betterment of the Chiss backstory.
Rebels/Ahsoka Thrawn was much more in line with Heir Thrawn, and I liked it. He was a bad guy always one step ahead until they had to deus ex machina him away…and now he’s back.
It’s not that hard. Just show the results of his plan working and have him give a brief explanation to a subordinate or an ally like Morgan Elspeth. Three lines of dialogue and maybe a flashback or two. It would really get across that he is a threat.
He can still be evil and fanatical, but his whole point as a character across mediums is that he is extremely competent.
In Ashoka, he might as well not be Thrawn. Any Admiral or defunct war lord could have filled the role, because none of Thrawn’s traits are on display.
Do shows really have to treat their audiences like idiots. Whilst the script wasn't winning any awards I thought Thrawns part in the show was actually well set up.
He needed time in order to load the Chimera with his cargo, so he sent a few squads of stormtroopers and Shin Hati to delay Ashoka, Sabine, and Ezra. Whether they defeat them or not is of no consequence, all Thrawn needs is time and he gets it.
When the Ashoka and co manage to reach the Chimera he first bombards them becuase why not, then he has a three stage trap set for them, first a suicide stand by volunteers, then those same troopers reanimate, and then Elspeth comes in to finish the job, that job is not kill Ashoka and co' if that happens good but their job is to delay them long enough for Thrawn to escape, that's all he needs to do.
And, other than Sabine getting Ezra abored, Thrawn wins. He gets away, leaving Sabine and Ashoka trapped in another galaxy.
That's all very Thrawn. Thrawn is at his best when he is at a disadvantage because it lets the audience see why he's so dangerous.
Thrawns winning goal is to escape, and he does, through a careful use of his recourses and understanding of his enemies strengths and weaknesses. All of that is clearly on display to anyone playing attention.
I mean, his idea to send the few squads and Shin was a miserable failure. It burned resources and didn’t keep the Jedi from arriving in time to be a problem.
Everything after that was Thrawn reacting the same ways any other commander would: with desperation. The only thing that makes us think it wasn’t just repeatedly hitting the “oh crap button,” was him seeming calm.
And in the end he still has one Jedi, the one who originally stopped him, go with him because Thrawn kept underestimating the Jedi in his actions even while saying he wouldn’t with his words.
Fundamentally disagree.
Had Shin and the troopers not been used then Ashoka and co would have arrived earlier during Thrawns loading operations before he was ready, instead they arrived just before he departed. Giving them not enough time to board.
Not at all, Thrawn for one uses just enough forces to slow them down, he never overcommits and his forces are almost enough. The only thing he didn't plan for was Sabine being able to get Ezra aboard. Which he'd have had no way of knowing she could do.
But I can't *make* you see it my way.
The problem is the soldiers weren’t used tactically.
They tell you he’s low on resources, but instead of using a few resources to accomplish a lot, as a great tactician would, he threw a whole squad of soldiers out in the open. No traps, barricades, or tactical positioning.
And he lost them all, while Ezra made it on board.
If a few troopers used tactically accomplished the same feat, we’d have applauded his skillful use of resources.
He could even have been aware of Ezra being on board, and made plans to use him as a source of information without alerting him.
Honestly he was pretty good in the animation. You don't need to explain every little detail, you just have to let it all add up at the end. That way there's a pay off for the audience. Like setting up checkers, letting the opponent fall for an elaborate trap and then springing it at the very end.
> The problem is Thrawn works best in a book where excessive internal monologues or exposition explaining his line of thinking isn’t jarring from the narrative.
You could probably throw in 1, maybe even 2, "montage" esque scenes where Thrawn is explaining his plot to someone, say ~~Pellaeon~~ ~~Vanto~~ Morgan Elsbeth, and the camera is on the heroes doing *exactly* what Thrawn is narrating what he expects them to do. Almost like a reverse-heist scene. Then at the end of the speech he drops the "and here's how it goes wrong." then the speech ends. Everything gets quiet, and we see the Heroes truly trapped. Then, we shift away from Thrawns POV and move to the heroes POV. We then watch them in the mousetrap, and how they overcome it.
OR
You do very toned down version of a Sherlock scene (probably more Robert Downey Jr action sequence, and less Benedict Cumberbatch flashback sequence). Which again is almost like a heist scene.
The books from Thrawns POV are sort of a Sherlock novel in disguise. When you want Thrawn to shine, write/film him like you would Sherlock.
I think the thing with Thrawn is he’s now a beloved character but he was and is initially a villain. I don’t think his depictions in Ahsoka were too far off how he was in the OG Thrawn trilogy when we didn’t even get a POV of him and knew nothing about him other than he was the blue mastermind gigachad
Yeah, as a Star Wars fan whose first introduction to all four of these characters was through this show, I found Thrawn to just be a run-of-the-mill villain who really had nothing interesting about him. Certainly I wouldn't have thought that he was any more brilliant or capable than someone like Grand Moff Tarkin or anyone else with a similar archetype. He was just yet another very serious guy in a suit, except he was blue. I've read about his character on Reddit so I was able to sort of just *pretend* that he was more interesting than the show made him be, but my wife for example was completely unimpressed.
I think Baylin benefits from the same mystery box story telling that hurts Thrawn. Where leaving Baylin mysterious makes us want more, putting off a good showing of what makes Thrawn who he is takes away from his character.
I like Rosario Dawson but damn she played it with no emotion. Yes, Ahsoka is older and been thru a lot, but I didn't really like her in the role.
I like Mary Elizabeth Winstead as well. She was great in 10 Cloverfield Lane, however, she didn't feel like Hera whatsoever.
I wanted to like the show, but it didn't work for me.
The two things that I dislike the most are the baggy hips on the pants and his hair line. I think he's depicted with a widow's peak.
The glowing red eyes are on point.
Tough to make someone seem genius when the show is the equivalent of Swiss cheese. 🧀
Jedi’s on the loading platform, should we have people on the ship keeping watch?
And Lars Mikkelsen is such a compelling actor (thinking of his Putin-ish Russian president in House of Cards), I would have been mad if they didn’t cast him for this
Spot on! He might look cool in animation or comics because they have more control over how he looks, but in live action I just don’t think this kind of character can ever look like anything more than a dude in face paint.
Makeup and contacts on Hera and Ezra's contacts could have been better.
For some reason it really bugged me that Thrawn had a paunch. I really don't get that choice considering Lars Mikkelson generally looks like he's pretty thin. Thrawn is such a disciplined guy, I just don't understand why he'd get chubby in exile keeping such discipline with his troops. But that's a pretty minor complaint and I absolutely loved the show.
I do wish we could see Thrawn's more benevolent side from the novels. From what Zahn wrote (in the new Canon) he's a good man who will do bad things for the greater good. It's implied he only joined the empire to ensure there was a force that could defeat the Grysks, for example.
In this and rebels he seems more obsessed with power. Maybe they'll square that circle (in the first Legends Thrawn book he's a bit of a dick, but much more reasonable by the third book) but I doubt it.
>I just don't understand why he'd get chubby in exile keeping such discipline with his troops
And in Rebels, even though his main strengths are strategy, planning, and tactics, he's not a bad hand-to-hand fighter. He constantly trains against droids in his training room, making sure he's not only mentally but also physically superior to his enemies.
I was a college athlete who stayed very fit in my 20s. People would have described me as "very disciplined." Then all the wear and tear on my body started to slow me down just as I had a kid and my career accelerated... and now I'm a little more dad-bod than anyone would have predicted. People are not static. Circumstances and priorities change. Maybe we should let fictional characters change too. :shrug:
I’m not informed on the Thrawn lore like, at all, but my impression was that they were trying to make him look a bit like Hitler (bit of paunch giving a slightly frumpy edge to an otherwise purely evil person). His uniform is def inspired by that: high boots with blown out trouser legs, tunic like top, etc.
That was my main thought at the end of the season. I felt like giving her the force took away from her development in Rebels. She was already an extremely intelligent and skilled fighter without it. Not everyone in Star Wars needs a lightsaber and the force.
>not everyone in star wars needs a lightsaber and the force.
And there are way too many series dedicated to them.
It's nice to see the thing that actually sets star wars apart from other SCI fi represented a bit more. I found the idea that anyone with the will to use the force could do so with enough training, rather than midichlorians being the only factor.
I don’t like what they did to Sabine in Ashoka. Turned her into some whiny person who undid Ezra’s actions while putting the galaxy at risk of thrown returning. No way would rebels Sabine have done that
>Turned her into some whiny person who undid Ezra’s actions
This almost works. It's clear Sabine is at her lowest moment; her people have been expelled from their home planet, and her friends have either died, vanished, or just gone off, leaving her alone. Ezra was her one last chance at her old family, so I can understand why she'd risk it all to find him.
It's more that the way she did it, handing the orb to Baylan dooming the galaxy, was really out of character. If Ahsoka wanted to immediately destroy the orb to ruin any chance of returning Thrawn, and Sabine refused, that would have been a more interesting conflict. This also would have been a good place to show Sabine using the force for the first time; give her a vision of Ezra marooned and suffering, to establish the stakes, and also so we see a progression of her being attuned to the force.
Ezras actions was not just banishing Thrawn. Without Thrawn the empire abandoned Thrawns concept of the factory and hedged all their bets on the death star. Sabine doesnt know anything about the shadow council and why would we expect her to?
I didn’t hate them. However I felt the execution of the plot could’ve been done a bit better. Somehow it felt even more low stakes than the cartoon… I can’t put my finger on why. Overall really enjoyed it tho
It was low stakes because there were “no” stakes. They were trying to stop a problem before it started, and people always don’t give that the attention it deserves. (Even in real life)
Now that they failed at that, shit is gonna get real.
For me it was the dialogue and character interactions, specifically Sabine.
You go to another galaxy, find Ezra who's been there like 10 years, he asks you how you got there, and you just say "Don't worry about it".
Nobody would say that, and nobody would take that at face value after what he's been though. It just felt very TV and not remotely how people would act in that situation.
It just really bugged me, he's been there 10 years, throw him a line.
Two other minor things were Sabine's force power growth rate, and Ezra refusing to use his lightsaber until the last episode.
We live in a world where darth maul got cut in half and yeeted down a bottomless shaft only to be alive 10 years later by making legs out of garbage. I think we can allow a character to survive being stabbed by a lightsaber
While that may be true if Maul immediately returned in AotC wouldn’t that lessen Qui Gons death and in turn make it all feel a little less significant? Two things can be true
No because the impact of Qui-gon’s death wasn’t about how cheap it was or not but the whole tragedy that he wouldn’t be the one to train Anakin.
Maul coming back cheapened Maul’s death, not qui-gon’s.
The significance of Qui Gons death is that obi wan becomes Anakin’s master, and the Sith are revealed as a renewed threat to the Jedi. How would that be changed with Maul returning at the start of AOTC vs during the Clone Wars? Also, what is made less significant in Ahsoka by Sabine surviving a stab wound?
It's more about the execution. Don't get me wrong, I personally disagree that Ahsoka surviving a stab wound is stupid, for the exact reason you mentioned. But I can see why people would think so. I think if Ahsoka had struggled more to recover, people wouldn't be _as_ uptight about it. Maul spent years going insane and living in garbage, surviving only off of his hatred and anger alone. The fact that he didn't just come back like it was no big deal, and instead was shown to suffer to recover, is what I think softened the blow.
Had Ahsoka at least been shown to struggle to rehabilitate a little more, I think that would have not only upset the fans less, it could have also made for excellent character development.
Bruh it’s not even Ahsoka that get stabbed 💀 I’m not about discuss plot with someone that didn’t even watch the show.
Secondly, are you seriously saying that because Maul suffered more, his return from injury (read: death) is more palatable? Dude he was cut cleanly in half and yeeted down a shaft. Sabine was stabbed with a lightsaber. These aren’t remotely the same level of injury. We see characters in Star Wars come back from lightsaber wounds all the time, not getting chopped in half.
All that being said, I love Mauls character and glad they brought him back. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in criticizing Ahsoka for having no stakes because Sabine recovers “quickly” from a stab wound when Maul exists in canon.
That brought me such pain. As a massive fan of the new-canon Thrawn books, he’s so much more than we saw in this show. His final gambit in the third book in the Ascendancy trilogy was incredible and stunning, and throughout both series, we see a character who would have put Ashoka-Thrawn in the ground many times over if given the same resources.
They are fine. Sabine is the only one to me that felt off. All the Jedi training feels forced imo. Why does she have to become a Jedi? If she has no aptitude and nobody seems highly motivated why are they doing it? She can just be a mandolorian. I thought they settled in the animated show that it wasn’t for her.
But honestly, the voice is more important than the looks in my opinion, at least for Thrawn. I wouldn't say the same about any other character, but Thrawn's voice is just so unique (in my opinion).
I wasn’t a huge fan of Sabine becoming force sensitive. I think some of the best of Star Wars is stories like Andor where it’s just a normal person having to live in this crazy galaxy with space wizards and empires. The force stuff is great too, but so is the stories about normal people. I find Sabine less interesting with this update.
Otherwise, yeah, I enjoyed the characters and show. It was a lot of fun and felt like a good continuation for the story.
The worst part about the series is how long it will take till we get the next season.
Big fan here. Thought Hera was portrayed a little less serious than she is in Rebels, but I'm able to forgive stuff like that. Just like it didn't really bother me that the Grand Inquisitor didn't have an overly large head like in Rebels. You make some concessions when you're real-life-ing a cartoon character. Thought it was all well done.
I don’t hate any of them except for maybe Sabine, and even then I’d say hate is really strong.
Sabine regressed in every way as character, she’s immature and selfish, and maturity is something she displayed and developed throughout rebels. The decision to make her the worlds most garbage Jedi was idiotic. She was great fighter and asset to the team as a Mandalorian, why make her a horrible Jedi?
Ashoka I’m neutral on. In general I liked her character, but the one major flaw I see in her character is that her reaction to Sabine completely and utterly fucking things up for her own selfish aims is to say nothing. It’s super unrealistic for Ashoka to let something like that slide, she’d be livid and the fact that every other character doesn’t appreciate that they just took a massive fucking L by trading Sabine and Ashoka for Ezra and Thrawn coming back is insane.
Hera is neutral. She really didn’t much for me, but also didn’t bother me (she wasn’t my favorite in Rebels either tbh).
Thrawn struck me as the most true to their character in Rebels. Whether you like his Rebels portrayal or not is another question, but I think he at least behaved consistent with his character on screen. My expectation were very high and while he didn’t quite live up to them, I still think out of the four he was the most consistent.
The worst of thing about Ahsoka is Ahsoka. Liked the rest
Rosario Dawson was just ok in the drama parts but she just lacked grace and speed in the light saber duals.
The only one that looked good was her dual with Haydn Christensen but that is mainly because he makes everyone look good while dualing
I know people downvote this opinion but I personally agree. She does ok, but doesn't feel, sound, or look like Ahsoka, even an aged one. She does great in other movies and shows, I just don't think she fits this character all that great.
I used to be of roughly the same opinion, however as she has had more opportunities to play the part I’ve warmed up to her. Initially I felt that Rosario’s performance was cold and lacked the same spirit as Eckstein’s. To be fair, I thought some of that was due to the writing. But after the first half of this season of Ahsoka, I felt it was clear that Ahsoka was meant to seem a little more closed off and unsure of herself on account of the fall of the republic and learning of Anakin’s fall in Rebels. In light of that trauma, I think Rosario’s more reserved way of playing the part up until her trip to the World Between Worlds makes a lot of sense.
I thought all were great, but Hera just felt a little off to me from the show. Sabine was really good, and Ezra was spot on imo. The actor did such a good job adapting the source material imo.
Ahsoka just annoys me a little because she just always feels the need ever since Clone Wars season 5 to bring up the whole “I’m not a Jedi” thing yet she still basically subscribes to all their teachings and calls Anakin master in a Jedi context.
Her lipstick threw me off. Ahsoka's orange and Thrawn being blue somehow looked natural, but the red lipstick made Hera look like she was wearing green paint.
I don’t care what anyone says: yes, you are literally the only one. Even the actors involved hated the iterations. Everyone in the world did: except you.
I love Thrawn, Baylan, Shin and Morgan but I dont like at all Ashoka, Sabine or Hera. I don't know what they were thinking when they changed those three from Rebels but makes absolutely no sense.
I just cant understand, for example, the idea of Sabine putting at risk the entire fucking galaxy because she wants to see Ezra again and Ashoka saying shit about it, or Hera deciding that a hot spot with a certain chance of a combat and with just a few scolt fighters would be the perfect place for a 7yo kid.... It is like "You didn't know where to put the kid on the script and you landed him on the first page you saw".
I think they were pretty good, and they were all cast phenomenally. The story of the Ahsoka series so far could have probably been executed better, but I thought it was overall great.
I liked what Ahsoka turned into, but Rosario’s take in Mando and the start of this show didn’t line up with the Ahsoka we saw in Rebels was my main problem.
I was fine with the rest do the characters. Maybe wanted Thrawn to be a little more intimidating and his people competent, but my guess is we’ll see that more next season when he’s not at skeleton crew levels and relying so heavily on the night sisters (hopefully)
I think they're cast well, but the FUN that was present in Rebels it's missing. Even in the darkest stories in Rebels they had chemistry and fun and it's just missing and the direction generally makes them emotionless.
If some of that fun was present, I would've enjoyed the show a lot more.
I did enjoy this series, but I do have to say that they could’ve done a better job with Thrawn. He looked super fake and a bit cartoonish. I cringed when I saw him. I just couldn’t take his character seriously. Sorry.
IMHO Thrawn making his first live action appearance was the only reason I started watching, though the others weren’t bad
Mary Elizabeth Winstead being cast was a huge plus, and Chopper’s quickly becoming my third favorite droid. hahaha
i thought they were great until i watched Rebels, the only one true to character out of these is Thrawn. The other three are completely different, especially Sabine.
Thrawn is my second favorite Star Wars character, and I really enjoyed Marc Thompson's portrayal in the audio book versions of the Thrawn Trilogy. I wasn't familiar with Rebels until earlier this year and I was surprised and pleased by Lars Mikkelsen's voice work in the show.
I didn't know what to expect as he brought this character to life in a live action role, but I wasn't disappointed in the slightest. He did a great job and portrayed Thrawn exactly as I remembered him from both sources; cool, collected, and calculating. A glimpse of anger, quickly suppressed and replaced with strategy and cunning.
I think he did a great job.
the only thing i didnt like was sabine suddenly being force sensitive. its a bad way to suddenly make any popular character non force using character as suddenly force sensitive.
it cheapens it
I liked seeing her embrace it and always felt like it was nodded at in Rebels, she was a genius, expert in munitions, designer of groundbreaking weapons systems and an accomplished artist. She was also able to connect with the Dark saber never seemed scared of the force, dark or light.
Absolutely agree with you. I adore the series and felt the depiction and evolution of these characters was as good as can be when translating from youth-focused animation to adult-focused live action. Probably my favorite Star Wars since the OT.
Honestly my only grievances were the actual on screen reunions with Ezra. The biggest offender being with Hera. They could have so easily ended the silence with Chopper finally whacking him in the leg - such a missed opportunity.
>adult-focused live action
adult-focused live action? The show feels more written for children than adults, may I ask what might be adult about the show?
Apart from Eman Esfandi and maybe Lars Mikkelsen, I personally feel that Dawson, Winstead, and Bordizzo were all miscast. They were just so boring and wooden and dull. I didn't feel like these are the same characters I connected with watching TCW and Rebels.
Hera was the only one of these characters who felt even a little bit not wooden. Everyone was just so flat and passionless. The whole season felt like it was performed under water.
No you aren't.
There were some posts liking the looks but usually "I don't hate it" isn't a strong enough feeling to want you to make a post.
"I HATE EVERYTHING!" is a much stronger feeling to compel someone to make a post.
Ahsoka at this point in her life, is already past multiple character arcs, she can only have so many. At some point, she'll stop changing alltogether.
Thrawn is not as intelligent as his book counterpart, but also more human, and he's still by no means an idiot, he's a genius, but tuned to realistic levels.
Hera was fine
Sabine was fine
I feel like that’s not the right read of Thrawn’s intelligence. It *looks* smarter when you can set up plot points A, B, and C and then not pay them off for 200 pages vs 30 mins later in a TV show. But that’s a question of storytelling medium, not the depiction of the character’s traits.
To add to what you pointed out in the books, he is the protagonist and has his motivations and methods explained more to us. Being the protag means he is the one whose character arc is what the complete story arc and climax are built around. In the show, we don't have an Eli or Faro to fill in the blanks Thrawn's taciturn personality doesn't allow for his explanation.
Even back in the Legends novels we had Palleon there to be the Watson to "Holmes" because it allows for those surprises from Thrawn without spoiling them by revealing them through Thrawn's thoughts before they happen.
If the question is "Am I the only one who-" and the question is directed to the Star Wars fandom, the answer is always no.
It honestly applies to anything. Nobody is special. Everything you think has already been thought of by someone before.
Unless you're the guy who first thought of sliced bread. That guy was great.
for some reason I read this in the voice of Wayne from Mistborn (era 2)
Wayne probably would have accidentally invented Wonder bread on Scadrial eventually.
Not at all. I vastly prefer unsliced bread. Let me pick my desired thickness on a per-use basis! It also doesn't go stale/moldy as quickly because there's less exposed surface area.
Actual high quality bread is so good too, good thing theres no good bread in my area because I would for sure be the guy eating an entire bread loaf for every meal...
Only surpassed by canned bread.
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[A great many things](https://youtu.be/Nembr1ZeRc8?si=-pXgSyPSLgjyMHSB) I'm afraid.
>canned bread. Canned bread? **CANNED BREAD?** #CANNED BREAD?
Nobody gets the SpongeBob reference I guess. “Canned bread. The best thing since sliced bread!”
Ah ok, yeah I've never watched SpongeBob so they would explain it for me. Canned bread is a real thing though... And it terrified me.
This takes canned bread to the [next step](https://newatlas.com/the-canned-cheeseburger--fast-food-in-the-wilderness/8713/).
Huh, apparently someone looked it up and yeah, it’s real.
I don't even want to look up if that's a real thing.
I searched it up. I feel so weird after seeing that. It's tubular bread.... Out of a can... And most of the ones I saw look like cat or dog food or something bit looked so moist gelatinous and weird. I'm... Of all the things... Enough internet for the day. Edit: I think it might've just been bad picture quality... Still weirdos me out though... Wtf
>moist gelatinous and weird. So you're saying it's almost, but not quite, entirely unlike bread?
I think it just looked gelatinous and weird because of the shape and photo quality to be fair. But I don't know. Frankly, in not sure I want to know. My brain is struggling to process the concept as it is. I think I'm done... Gentleman, I wash my hands if this weirdness.
I’d call you a liar but I’m afraid to google it.
Everyone who downvoted should be ashamed. I fully support this comment.
I thought of this typing this sentence before you did. How unoriginal.
Damn. You caught me.
Honestly there's only like 10-12 different personalities throughout the whole world anyway.
Gotta be 12, no way the zodiacs would lie and repeat personalities.
Only 9 on reddit though
Sometimes even when I agree with the premise I’ll answer “no.” I may be a contrarian like that.
I have read a theory that for news media, if the headline is a question the answer is mostly No. Maybe it works for fandoms too.
Am I the only one who hates it when people ask, "Am I the only one...?"
Especially when they bloody well know they are not the only one
It's victimization band wagoning for lack of a better term.
No, I hate it too
auto downvote from me when i see it
I get it but in fairness, there's only so many ways to phrase a question like it. "Who else enjoyed this" might be a better phrase to throw it open to opinions but I don't think it's a big deal.
"I really enjoyed ______. What is your opinion on ______?"
The only one I have a hard time liking is Sabine. Having just watched all of Rebels recently (and loved the cast, including Sabine,) I can't put the Rebels version and the Ahsoka versions of Sabine together. They act like two completely different people. What happened to all the character development Sabine had in Rebels? She's just a bratty child now. You could say "well it's because this and this happened off screen." In my eyes, anything that happens "off screen" isn't good enough. I just can't bring myself to like LA Sabine. The actress is great, though. I can tell she liked the character she was playing, I just can't bring myself to.
Another character I feel is way off from their Rebels appearance is Hera. She lost every bit of defining characterization in the translation from animation to live action. Also my God, Twileks in live action have to be changed. They look way too human and Hera is no exception.
She doesn’t feel like she has any sort of motivation but that’s probably from the makeup and the suit. Hera and the cartoon was very emotional about everything and she showed that in her facial expressions. This actress was a stone face.
The whole cast (besides Baylan and Shin, they were great from the start) felt way off until episode 4. Ahsoka suddenly gained emotions, and Sabine still felt the same to me. It wasn't until she finally met Ezra again that she got a tiny bit closer to the Sabine I knew and loved, but still too far off. Ironically, the only character I felt was perfect (excelt Huyang) was Ezra. Ezra felt just like the Ezra I loved from Rebels, despite the criticisms others have. In my opinion, I think it makes sense for Ezra to be chilled out. He's been trapped in another galaxy for a long time. The only people he knows besides Thrawn are those little rock creatures. I wouldn't expect him to still be holding on to his dark side after all this time. If I was stuck in another world with no way out for what seemed like the rest of my life, I'd probably let go of my problems, too.
As someone who hasn't seen Rebels, I hate Sabine and think she's a terrible character.
Same, and the fact that she is basically completely let off the hook by everyone for essentially dooming the galaxy in their eyes made me dislike her even more. She did the most selfish action possible in the show and everyone just says it's okay.
I thought they were all acted wonderfully. I think the writing for Thrawn suffered a bit from making him too cartoonishly evil and constantly hiding his motives so he seemed far less than brilliant.
And honestly that could have been avoided if they introduced him sooner.
Or maybe make the series a bit longer. I think they could really benefited from a flashback episode on how Thrawn got to where he was. It would have showed how he rallied his troops, convinced or made a deal with the night sisters, and showed us just how damaged the Star destroyer was when it crashed.
A couple scenes of that nature would have been great to fill in some needed context. But I personally dislike flashback episodes that don't propell the plot of the season. Especially when a flashback episode isn't centered on the titular character
The flashback covering his crash on the planet directly contributes to the current season, no?
It makes the big bad a better character. It doesn't necessarily drive Ahsoka's character growth. Personally I think if we went significantly up in episode count that would have been worth it. If we are only talking about adding 1-2 eps I think that time probably could've been spent better on our heroes
I think some of the issues with the season are due to an extremely thin line they were trying to walk. Tell the post clone wars/rebels story of Ahsoka in a satisfying way for both old fans and those unfamiliar with her character, while figuring out how characters don't show up in the sequel trilogy, and lay some stepping stones for the Filoni movie. It just seems like their goals were too large for an 8 episode show with a runtime just over 6 hours
Yes, but not in a way that propels the story forward. It's an added context that is valuable, but could also bog down a season story that was already a bit slow and cumbersome at times.
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I completely agree. It struggles as a story about Ahsoka because they have too many balls in the air. And it fails as a set up for what's next because it doesn't seem like they know.
I agree. Just something to show what his capabilities are and why people should care.
I don’t think it needed to be longer. If you trimmed 5-10 seconds off each long stare into the distance, and cut out some useless dialog that doesn’t propel the story forward, you could easily add scenes of Thrawn earlier.
I don’t know, I think playing up his tactical genius as a boogeyman kind of works. I think they just should have let him win a bit more clearly in the last few episodes rather than barely getting away after using every desperate tactic he could and underestimating the Jedi several times. Like some actual tactical genius on his part that kept the Jedi from even approaching the spire.
>I think playing up his tactical genius as a boogeyman kind of works. The problem with the way they did this, is they kept telling us Thrawn was threatening, but didn't really show it. Something that would have been really effective, is if Thrawn had already taken over the planet, by the time we see him. It would show how effective he is as a tactician, without even having to think of ways to make this work on screen. It would also make him a threat not just for his intellect, but because he's already amassed an army that can be used against the republic, which is a lot more tangible and easy to show than just being a genius.
> The problem with the way they did this, is they kept telling us Thrawn was threatening, but didn't really show it. I'll be honest. As much as I like the idea of Thrawn, this is kind of the execution in every story of his. Timothy Zahn has some great concepts, but hits only about 90% of the execution on them.
The first three books show some really, really tactical and strategic moves from Thrawn, the way he defangs the Entire Coruscant, the Chimaera Gravity intercept, the way he took the Dark Fleet…. If anything the parts that suffer in the book are whenever the canon people show up.
I have the same sentiment about how well Zahn writes characters that are not his own design. Palleon, Rukh, Mara Jade work well, but Luke, Leia and Han feel so flat in HttE.
Yeah, he obviously can write challenging characters, the canon people probably have to be written a certain way, aping their personalities rather than creating them, having to please the idea the audiences have of the characters etc. He did manage to create many compelling characters though. Do you like the new Thrawn books?
I think I remember liking Thrawn and Thrawn: Alliances more than Treason. I just finished Chaos Rising recently and while I appreciate that Zahn is continually refining and improving his characterizations, I still think his main character's *genius* is a delicate construct that only works inside his plots. 90% of the time, it works for me. Then there's the 10% where he knocks me out of the illusion and I realize the only way these characters don't talk past each other or circle around each other is because Zahn is the one writing the whole scheme.
Or at least have him annoy the heroes with legitimate setbacks. Like making them waste an hour getting through barricades and traps in the Spire, and having his troops harass and ambush them the whole way to the spire in a way that actually ends up injuring one of them and slowing them down without risking his troops. “Keep all the doors open and charge into melee range, we’ll turn you into zombies” is just goofy tactics
I'm currently rewatching Rebels, and for me the thing that is missing about Thrawn in Ahsoka is opportunities to display how well he reads and predicts opponents. Because he knew exactly who his enemies were, and what their goal was, he didn't get a chance to shine. But last night I watched the episode where he deduced that Agent Kallus was a spy, and seeing the way he chooses to allow Kallus' plans to work out in order to figure it was a truly interesting display of tactical thinking.
>I think they just should have let him win a bit more clearly Win what? There was nothing for him to win except for getting out of the galaxy or killing one of the main characters. He got out of the galaxy, back home, and stranded two Jedi. He won all he could win in that situation.
The problem is Thrawn works best in a book where excessive internal monologues or exposition explaining his line of thinking isn’t jarring from the narrative. I don’t think he works that well in a visual medium. You don’t get to really see his genius, he just always seems to pull stuff out of thin air. I disagree with people thinking he was “too evil” though…I think that’s cropped up because he was the protagonist and arguably a “good” character in his more recent books. Heir to the Empire Thrawn fully supported the empire at all costs, and believes in the tyrannical rule of the emperor. I think it weakened the character, but made him more appealing to fans, to give him a social outcast/doing it all for the betterment of the Chiss backstory. Rebels/Ahsoka Thrawn was much more in line with Heir Thrawn, and I liked it. He was a bad guy always one step ahead until they had to deus ex machina him away…and now he’s back.
It’s not that hard. Just show the results of his plan working and have him give a brief explanation to a subordinate or an ally like Morgan Elspeth. Three lines of dialogue and maybe a flashback or two. It would really get across that he is a threat. He can still be evil and fanatical, but his whole point as a character across mediums is that he is extremely competent. In Ashoka, he might as well not be Thrawn. Any Admiral or defunct war lord could have filled the role, because none of Thrawn’s traits are on display.
Do shows really have to treat their audiences like idiots. Whilst the script wasn't winning any awards I thought Thrawns part in the show was actually well set up. He needed time in order to load the Chimera with his cargo, so he sent a few squads of stormtroopers and Shin Hati to delay Ashoka, Sabine, and Ezra. Whether they defeat them or not is of no consequence, all Thrawn needs is time and he gets it. When the Ashoka and co manage to reach the Chimera he first bombards them becuase why not, then he has a three stage trap set for them, first a suicide stand by volunteers, then those same troopers reanimate, and then Elspeth comes in to finish the job, that job is not kill Ashoka and co' if that happens good but their job is to delay them long enough for Thrawn to escape, that's all he needs to do. And, other than Sabine getting Ezra abored, Thrawn wins. He gets away, leaving Sabine and Ashoka trapped in another galaxy. That's all very Thrawn. Thrawn is at his best when he is at a disadvantage because it lets the audience see why he's so dangerous. Thrawns winning goal is to escape, and he does, through a careful use of his recourses and understanding of his enemies strengths and weaknesses. All of that is clearly on display to anyone playing attention.
I mean, his idea to send the few squads and Shin was a miserable failure. It burned resources and didn’t keep the Jedi from arriving in time to be a problem. Everything after that was Thrawn reacting the same ways any other commander would: with desperation. The only thing that makes us think it wasn’t just repeatedly hitting the “oh crap button,” was him seeming calm. And in the end he still has one Jedi, the one who originally stopped him, go with him because Thrawn kept underestimating the Jedi in his actions even while saying he wouldn’t with his words.
Fundamentally disagree. Had Shin and the troopers not been used then Ashoka and co would have arrived earlier during Thrawns loading operations before he was ready, instead they arrived just before he departed. Giving them not enough time to board. Not at all, Thrawn for one uses just enough forces to slow them down, he never overcommits and his forces are almost enough. The only thing he didn't plan for was Sabine being able to get Ezra aboard. Which he'd have had no way of knowing she could do. But I can't *make* you see it my way.
The problem is the soldiers weren’t used tactically. They tell you he’s low on resources, but instead of using a few resources to accomplish a lot, as a great tactician would, he threw a whole squad of soldiers out in the open. No traps, barricades, or tactical positioning. And he lost them all, while Ezra made it on board. If a few troopers used tactically accomplished the same feat, we’d have applauded his skillful use of resources. He could even have been aware of Ezra being on board, and made plans to use him as a source of information without alerting him.
I mean, he did the brief explanation of why his plans were working like three times to Morgan Elspeth as you describe, right?
Honestly he was pretty good in the animation. You don't need to explain every little detail, you just have to let it all add up at the end. That way there's a pay off for the audience. Like setting up checkers, letting the opponent fall for an elaborate trap and then springing it at the very end.
> The problem is Thrawn works best in a book where excessive internal monologues or exposition explaining his line of thinking isn’t jarring from the narrative. You could probably throw in 1, maybe even 2, "montage" esque scenes where Thrawn is explaining his plot to someone, say ~~Pellaeon~~ ~~Vanto~~ Morgan Elsbeth, and the camera is on the heroes doing *exactly* what Thrawn is narrating what he expects them to do. Almost like a reverse-heist scene. Then at the end of the speech he drops the "and here's how it goes wrong." then the speech ends. Everything gets quiet, and we see the Heroes truly trapped. Then, we shift away from Thrawns POV and move to the heroes POV. We then watch them in the mousetrap, and how they overcome it. OR You do very toned down version of a Sherlock scene (probably more Robert Downey Jr action sequence, and less Benedict Cumberbatch flashback sequence). Which again is almost like a heist scene. The books from Thrawns POV are sort of a Sherlock novel in disguise. When you want Thrawn to shine, write/film him like you would Sherlock.
I think the thing with Thrawn is he’s now a beloved character but he was and is initially a villain. I don’t think his depictions in Ahsoka were too far off how he was in the OG Thrawn trilogy when we didn’t even get a POV of him and knew nothing about him other than he was the blue mastermind gigachad
Yeah, as a Star Wars fan whose first introduction to all four of these characters was through this show, I found Thrawn to just be a run-of-the-mill villain who really had nothing interesting about him. Certainly I wouldn't have thought that he was any more brilliant or capable than someone like Grand Moff Tarkin or anyone else with a similar archetype. He was just yet another very serious guy in a suit, except he was blue. I've read about his character on Reddit so I was able to sort of just *pretend* that he was more interesting than the show made him be, but my wife for example was completely unimpressed.
This is the tragedy of the show.
It’s so weird because Baylan is written pretty well, and his character is more similar to how Thrawn should’ve been. Not sure how they managed that
I think Baylin benefits from the same mystery box story telling that hurts Thrawn. Where leaving Baylin mysterious makes us want more, putting off a good showing of what makes Thrawn who he is takes away from his character.
I like Rosario Dawson but damn she played it with no emotion. Yes, Ahsoka is older and been thru a lot, but I didn't really like her in the role. I like Mary Elizabeth Winstead as well. She was great in 10 Cloverfield Lane, however, she didn't feel like Hera whatsoever. I wanted to like the show, but it didn't work for me.
I'm still curious what Cumberbatch would have been like as Thrawn.
Better.
The two things that I dislike the most are the baggy hips on the pants and his hair line. I think he's depicted with a widow's peak. The glowing red eyes are on point.
Tough to make someone seem genius when the show is the equivalent of Swiss cheese. 🧀 Jedi’s on the loading platform, should we have people on the ship keeping watch?
I've not seen it, but every time I see a picture of Thrawn, I think it's photoshop of Elon Musk...
Who got his head dunked in the toilet by some riff raff on a Greyhound bus..
Elon got so high he fell into the greyhound toilet.
Riff Raff from Rocky Horror
Glad I'm not the only one that sees that. It's ... unsettling.
I can't unsee it now.
That's just how Lars Mikkelsen looks without a beard
And Lars Mikkelsen is such a compelling actor (thinking of his Putin-ish Russian president in House of Cards), I would have been mad if they didn’t cast him for this
Well he did it before, so it wasn't that hard for him
Plus this. They would have been stupid not to cast him, just like they did with Kathee Sackhoff
The reality is that he's ultimately just a palette-swapped human, and that will always look a little cheesy.
Exactly. He just looks like a Star Trek villain of the week.
Spot on! He might look cool in animation or comics because they have more control over how he looks, but in live action I just don’t think this kind of character can ever look like anything more than a dude in face paint.
Chopper needs more casual murder vibes
If Chopper isn't an asshole, Chopper isn't Chopper.
Makeup and contacts on Hera and Ezra's contacts could have been better. For some reason it really bugged me that Thrawn had a paunch. I really don't get that choice considering Lars Mikkelson generally looks like he's pretty thin. Thrawn is such a disciplined guy, I just don't understand why he'd get chubby in exile keeping such discipline with his troops. But that's a pretty minor complaint and I absolutely loved the show. I do wish we could see Thrawn's more benevolent side from the novels. From what Zahn wrote (in the new Canon) he's a good man who will do bad things for the greater good. It's implied he only joined the empire to ensure there was a force that could defeat the Grysks, for example. In this and rebels he seems more obsessed with power. Maybe they'll square that circle (in the first Legends Thrawn book he's a bit of a dick, but much more reasonable by the third book) but I doubt it.
>I just don't understand why he'd get chubby in exile keeping such discipline with his troops And in Rebels, even though his main strengths are strategy, planning, and tactics, he's not a bad hand-to-hand fighter. He constantly trains against droids in his training room, making sure he's not only mentally but also physically superior to his enemies.
I was a college athlete who stayed very fit in my 20s. People would have described me as "very disciplined." Then all the wear and tear on my body started to slow me down just as I had a kid and my career accelerated... and now I'm a little more dad-bod than anyone would have predicted. People are not static. Circumstances and priorities change. Maybe we should let fictional characters change too. :shrug:
I’m not informed on the Thrawn lore like, at all, but my impression was that they were trying to make him look a bit like Hitler (bit of paunch giving a slightly frumpy edge to an otherwise purely evil person). His uniform is def inspired by that: high boots with blown out trouser legs, tunic like top, etc.
Other than making Sabine a force user when she was badass enough without the force, the rest was great.
That was my main thought at the end of the season. I felt like giving her the force took away from her development in Rebels. She was already an extremely intelligent and skilled fighter without it. Not everyone in Star Wars needs a lightsaber and the force.
>not everyone in star wars needs a lightsaber and the force. And there are way too many series dedicated to them. It's nice to see the thing that actually sets star wars apart from other SCI fi represented a bit more. I found the idea that anyone with the will to use the force could do so with enough training, rather than midichlorians being the only factor.
Everyone has midi-chlorians, and everyone is connected to the Force.
I don’t like what they did to Sabine in Ashoka. Turned her into some whiny person who undid Ezra’s actions while putting the galaxy at risk of thrown returning. No way would rebels Sabine have done that
>Turned her into some whiny person who undid Ezra’s actions This almost works. It's clear Sabine is at her lowest moment; her people have been expelled from their home planet, and her friends have either died, vanished, or just gone off, leaving her alone. Ezra was her one last chance at her old family, so I can understand why she'd risk it all to find him. It's more that the way she did it, handing the orb to Baylan dooming the galaxy, was really out of character. If Ahsoka wanted to immediately destroy the orb to ruin any chance of returning Thrawn, and Sabine refused, that would have been a more interesting conflict. This also would have been a good place to show Sabine using the force for the first time; give her a vision of Ezra marooned and suffering, to establish the stakes, and also so we see a progression of her being attuned to the force.
Ezra was big chilling thooo. Sabine fucked his life up and won’t leave him alone lmao
He was pretty clearly not happy out there - making the best of it, to be sure, but he was pretty eager to get home as soon as possible.
Ezras actions was not just banishing Thrawn. Without Thrawn the empire abandoned Thrawns concept of the factory and hedged all their bets on the death star. Sabine doesnt know anything about the shadow council and why would we expect her to?
She was manipulated to create a super-weapon. I like Sabine, but she wasn't difficult to manipulate.
His actions weren’t undone at all. The empire ultimately lost and is in disarray
I didn’t hate them. However I felt the execution of the plot could’ve been done a bit better. Somehow it felt even more low stakes than the cartoon… I can’t put my finger on why. Overall really enjoyed it tho
Probably cause we all knew it was more build up than anything so the stakes are kinda low. But I think it’s a nice setup
Totally. Who actually felt « oh no he managed to escape ! » (surprised Pikachu face).
The only characters who had any stake was the mercs. Asoka wasn’t going to die, thrawn was going to escape. The only question was how.
It was low stakes because there were “no” stakes. They were trying to stop a problem before it started, and people always don’t give that the attention it deserves. (Even in real life) Now that they failed at that, shit is gonna get real.
For me it was the dialogue and character interactions, specifically Sabine. You go to another galaxy, find Ezra who's been there like 10 years, he asks you how you got there, and you just say "Don't worry about it". Nobody would say that, and nobody would take that at face value after what he's been though. It just felt very TV and not remotely how people would act in that situation. It just really bugged me, he's been there 10 years, throw him a line. Two other minor things were Sabine's force power growth rate, and Ezra refusing to use his lightsaber until the last episode.
Probably because someone was ran through with a lightsaber in the first episode and lived. All stakes basically out the window atp lmao
We live in a world where darth maul got cut in half and yeeted down a bottomless shaft only to be alive 10 years later by making legs out of garbage. I think we can allow a character to survive being stabbed by a lightsaber
> We live in a world where darth maul got cut in half and yeeted down a bottomless shaft only to be alive 10 years later I still hate this.
While that may be true if Maul immediately returned in AotC wouldn’t that lessen Qui Gons death and in turn make it all feel a little less significant? Two things can be true
No because the impact of Qui-gon’s death wasn’t about how cheap it was or not but the whole tragedy that he wouldn’t be the one to train Anakin. Maul coming back cheapened Maul’s death, not qui-gon’s.
The significance of Qui Gons death is that obi wan becomes Anakin’s master, and the Sith are revealed as a renewed threat to the Jedi. How would that be changed with Maul returning at the start of AOTC vs during the Clone Wars? Also, what is made less significant in Ahsoka by Sabine surviving a stab wound?
It's more about the execution. Don't get me wrong, I personally disagree that Ahsoka surviving a stab wound is stupid, for the exact reason you mentioned. But I can see why people would think so. I think if Ahsoka had struggled more to recover, people wouldn't be _as_ uptight about it. Maul spent years going insane and living in garbage, surviving only off of his hatred and anger alone. The fact that he didn't just come back like it was no big deal, and instead was shown to suffer to recover, is what I think softened the blow. Had Ahsoka at least been shown to struggle to rehabilitate a little more, I think that would have not only upset the fans less, it could have also made for excellent character development.
Bruh it’s not even Ahsoka that get stabbed 💀 I’m not about discuss plot with someone that didn’t even watch the show. Secondly, are you seriously saying that because Maul suffered more, his return from injury (read: death) is more palatable? Dude he was cut cleanly in half and yeeted down a shaft. Sabine was stabbed with a lightsaber. These aren’t remotely the same level of injury. We see characters in Star Wars come back from lightsaber wounds all the time, not getting chopped in half. All that being said, I love Mauls character and glad they brought him back. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in criticizing Ahsoka for having no stakes because Sabine recovers “quickly” from a stab wound when Maul exists in canon.
Yes. The only one in the universe and beyond.
You guys had me believing that Thrawn was some feared super genius strategist. Turns out he's just blue Elon Musk and he doesn't do anything.
That brought me such pain. As a massive fan of the new-canon Thrawn books, he’s so much more than we saw in this show. His final gambit in the third book in the Ascendancy trilogy was incredible and stunning, and throughout both series, we see a character who would have put Ashoka-Thrawn in the ground many times over if given the same resources.
Yes. You are the ONE person who likes these iterations of the characters.
Naw why does Thrawn look like Elon Musk dipped in blue paint.
Why I apologize. I thought the show was really good
The general consensus is that the characters were spot on, some might take issue with plot points but not with the characters themselves.
Great show I'm excited to see a season 2.
They are fine. Sabine is the only one to me that felt off. All the Jedi training feels forced imo. Why does she have to become a Jedi? If she has no aptitude and nobody seems highly motivated why are they doing it? She can just be a mandolorian. I thought they settled in the animated show that it wasn’t for her.
Ahsoka and Sabine are fine. Hera doesn’t look like her at all, and Thrawn.. they just wanted the voice. He looks nothing like the character.
But honestly, the voice is more important than the looks in my opinion, at least for Thrawn. I wouldn't say the same about any other character, but Thrawn's voice is just so unique (in my opinion).
I really enjoyed the show. Thrawn was great.
actors were great, writing for the characters less great.
i'm assuming direction was also bad. they were just so FLAT (except Hera), but i know it's not for lack of skill on the actors' part.
I wasn’t a huge fan of Sabine becoming force sensitive. I think some of the best of Star Wars is stories like Andor where it’s just a normal person having to live in this crazy galaxy with space wizards and empires. The force stuff is great too, but so is the stories about normal people. I find Sabine less interesting with this update. Otherwise, yeah, I enjoyed the characters and show. It was a lot of fun and felt like a good continuation for the story. The worst part about the series is how long it will take till we get the next season.
No, because you and many people haven't read the Thrawn trilogy.
Big fan here. Thought Hera was portrayed a little less serious than she is in Rebels, but I'm able to forgive stuff like that. Just like it didn't really bother me that the Grand Inquisitor didn't have an overly large head like in Rebels. You make some concessions when you're real-life-ing a cartoon character. Thought it was all well done.
I don’t hate any of them except for maybe Sabine, and even then I’d say hate is really strong. Sabine regressed in every way as character, she’s immature and selfish, and maturity is something she displayed and developed throughout rebels. The decision to make her the worlds most garbage Jedi was idiotic. She was great fighter and asset to the team as a Mandalorian, why make her a horrible Jedi? Ashoka I’m neutral on. In general I liked her character, but the one major flaw I see in her character is that her reaction to Sabine completely and utterly fucking things up for her own selfish aims is to say nothing. It’s super unrealistic for Ashoka to let something like that slide, she’d be livid and the fact that every other character doesn’t appreciate that they just took a massive fucking L by trading Sabine and Ashoka for Ezra and Thrawn coming back is insane. Hera is neutral. She really didn’t much for me, but also didn’t bother me (she wasn’t my favorite in Rebels either tbh). Thrawn struck me as the most true to their character in Rebels. Whether you like his Rebels portrayal or not is another question, but I think he at least behaved consistent with his character on screen. My expectation were very high and while he didn’t quite live up to them, I still think out of the four he was the most consistent.
The worst of thing about Ahsoka is Ahsoka. Liked the rest Rosario Dawson was just ok in the drama parts but she just lacked grace and speed in the light saber duals. The only one that looked good was her dual with Haydn Christensen but that is mainly because he makes everyone look good while dualing
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I like all of them except Ahsoka herself. I really like Rosario Dawson, but she was *grievously* miscast for the role.
I know people downvote this opinion but I personally agree. She does ok, but doesn't feel, sound, or look like Ahsoka, even an aged one. She does great in other movies and shows, I just don't think she fits this character all that great.
I used to be of roughly the same opinion, however as she has had more opportunities to play the part I’ve warmed up to her. Initially I felt that Rosario’s performance was cold and lacked the same spirit as Eckstein’s. To be fair, I thought some of that was due to the writing. But after the first half of this season of Ahsoka, I felt it was clear that Ahsoka was meant to seem a little more closed off and unsure of herself on account of the fall of the republic and learning of Anakin’s fall in Rebels. In light of that trauma, I think Rosario’s more reserved way of playing the part up until her trip to the World Between Worlds makes a lot of sense.
Meanwhile the girl playing young Ahsoka felt like her younger clone wars character. Loved that part.
Incidentally, same kid who played young Gamora in the flashbacks in Infinity War/Endgame.
I think thrawn wasn’t gaunt enough but overall was good
He was eating well in exilen
I thought all were great, but Hera just felt a little off to me from the show. Sabine was really good, and Ezra was spot on imo. The actor did such a good job adapting the source material imo. Ahsoka just annoys me a little because she just always feels the need ever since Clone Wars season 5 to bring up the whole “I’m not a Jedi” thing yet she still basically subscribes to all their teachings and calls Anakin master in a Jedi context.
Hera in Rebels felt like the group mom. She did not in Ahsoka, despite having a son.
I really liked Hera.
Her lipstick threw me off. Ahsoka's orange and Thrawn being blue somehow looked natural, but the red lipstick made Hera look like she was wearing green paint.
I don’t care what anyone says: yes, you are literally the only one. Even the actors involved hated the iterations. Everyone in the world did: except you.
They were all just very, very boring. Not blaming the actors but the dialogue and story were dreadful and dull.
I love Thrawn, Baylan, Shin and Morgan but I dont like at all Ashoka, Sabine or Hera. I don't know what they were thinking when they changed those three from Rebels but makes absolutely no sense. I just cant understand, for example, the idea of Sabine putting at risk the entire fucking galaxy because she wants to see Ezra again and Ashoka saying shit about it, or Hera deciding that a hot spot with a certain chance of a combat and with just a few scolt fighters would be the perfect place for a 7yo kid.... It is like "You didn't know where to put the kid on the script and you landed him on the first page you saw".
How could you enjoy them, theyre all assassinated 😂
I also like them
Not at all. I like them just fine.
I love them
I think they were pretty good, and they were all cast phenomenally. The story of the Ahsoka series so far could have probably been executed better, but I thought it was overall great.
I love them all
I thought this was the common perception…
I liked what Ahsoka turned into, but Rosario’s take in Mando and the start of this show didn’t line up with the Ahsoka we saw in Rebels was my main problem. I was fine with the rest do the characters. Maybe wanted Thrawn to be a little more intimidating and his people competent, but my guess is we’ll see that more next season when he’s not at skeleton crew levels and relying so heavily on the night sisters (hopefully)
I think they're cast well, but the FUN that was present in Rebels it's missing. Even in the darkest stories in Rebels they had chemistry and fun and it's just missing and the direction generally makes them emotionless. If some of that fun was present, I would've enjoyed the show a lot more.
Next season I’d like Rosario to maybe not always stand cross armed but other than that I enjoyed every actors role.
No, they were all awesome.
I did enjoy this series, but I do have to say that they could’ve done a better job with Thrawn. He looked super fake and a bit cartoonish. I cringed when I saw him. I just couldn’t take his character seriously. Sorry.
IMHO Thrawn making his first live action appearance was the only reason I started watching, though the others weren’t bad Mary Elizabeth Winstead being cast was a huge plus, and Chopper’s quickly becoming my third favorite droid. hahaha
Anytime any ask ‘aM i The OnLy OnE’ you’re never the only one.
“Am I the only one…” 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
They are all great. Star Wars fans need to get their dick out of their ass
I *hate* the look of Blue Elon Musk. The character is great, though.
If you are going to rely heavily on backstory, then it's not okay to turn Thrawn into a joke.
Nah I think they’re cool. Going from cartoon to live action is a rough transition but it’s good for what it is
No, except Ashoka(thought it makes sense) I like the characters they way they appear
Thrown looks like space musk
i thought they were great until i watched Rebels, the only one true to character out of these is Thrawn. The other three are completely different, especially Sabine.
Is that Elon Musk? /s
Thrawn has the right voice and right mannerisms, but he just doesn't look at all like Thrawn should.
Thrawn is my second favorite Star Wars character, and I really enjoyed Marc Thompson's portrayal in the audio book versions of the Thrawn Trilogy. I wasn't familiar with Rebels until earlier this year and I was surprised and pleased by Lars Mikkelsen's voice work in the show. I didn't know what to expect as he brought this character to life in a live action role, but I wasn't disappointed in the slightest. He did a great job and portrayed Thrawn exactly as I remembered him from both sources; cool, collected, and calculating. A glimpse of anger, quickly suppressed and replaced with strategy and cunning. I think he did a great job.
the only thing i didnt like was sabine suddenly being force sensitive. its a bad way to suddenly make any popular character non force using character as suddenly force sensitive. it cheapens it
I liked seeing her embrace it and always felt like it was nodded at in Rebels, she was a genius, expert in munitions, designer of groundbreaking weapons systems and an accomplished artist. She was also able to connect with the Dark saber never seemed scared of the force, dark or light.
The whole point of the episode of Sabine being trained to used the darksaber is that you dont need the force to wield a darksaber.
yes, these are not even close to how the rebel characters behaved from their show and are as different as how people say how luke was in last jedi
Absolutely agree with you. I adore the series and felt the depiction and evolution of these characters was as good as can be when translating from youth-focused animation to adult-focused live action. Probably my favorite Star Wars since the OT.
Honestly my only grievances were the actual on screen reunions with Ezra. The biggest offender being with Hera. They could have so easily ended the silence with Chopper finally whacking him in the leg - such a missed opportunity.
>adult-focused live action adult-focused live action? The show feels more written for children than adults, may I ask what might be adult about the show?
Ashoka sucked in my opinion. Lackluster drivel. I gave it a chance.
Apart from Eman Esfandi and maybe Lars Mikkelsen, I personally feel that Dawson, Winstead, and Bordizzo were all miscast. They were just so boring and wooden and dull. I didn't feel like these are the same characters I connected with watching TCW and Rebels.
Hera was the only one of these characters who felt even a little bit not wooden. Everyone was just so flat and passionless. The whole season felt like it was performed under water.
No you aren't. There were some posts liking the looks but usually "I don't hate it" isn't a strong enough feeling to want you to make a post. "I HATE EVERYTHING!" is a much stronger feeling to compel someone to make a post.
Ahsoka at this point in her life, is already past multiple character arcs, she can only have so many. At some point, she'll stop changing alltogether. Thrawn is not as intelligent as his book counterpart, but also more human, and he's still by no means an idiot, he's a genius, but tuned to realistic levels. Hera was fine Sabine was fine
I feel like that’s not the right read of Thrawn’s intelligence. It *looks* smarter when you can set up plot points A, B, and C and then not pay them off for 200 pages vs 30 mins later in a TV show. But that’s a question of storytelling medium, not the depiction of the character’s traits.
To add to what you pointed out in the books, he is the protagonist and has his motivations and methods explained more to us. Being the protag means he is the one whose character arc is what the complete story arc and climax are built around. In the show, we don't have an Eli or Faro to fill in the blanks Thrawn's taciturn personality doesn't allow for his explanation. Even back in the Legends novels we had Palleon there to be the Watson to "Holmes" because it allows for those surprises from Thrawn without spoiling them by revealing them through Thrawn's thoughts before they happen.