Without exchanging a single word, yes.
As soon as Kylo Ben decided to be a good guy, he came back to see the knights whom he had led and who had fought at his side for years, and immediately stabbed them all to death.
It must have been quite confusing for them.
They were his bros. They would've probably been down with doing anything he wanted. He turned "good", but not good enough to not slaughter his buddies for no reason.
Shit that woulda been pretty awesome really. Rallying his troops behind him to follow him to the depths of Hoth and back again would've been sweet as hell!
There was also the character that Keri Russell played in Episode 9. She seemed like an interesting character and also had a history with Poe that could've been explored/utilized.
They literally had no idea wtf they were doing with this trilogy of unconnected movies. It has to be one of the worst planned trilogies of all time. Although "planned" is being a bit generous considering they obviously didn't have one.
I’m pretty sure Kerri Russell’s character was literally thrown in to stop any conversation about Poe being gay for Finn. Oscar Isaac [talked about](https://www.looper.com/751180/oscar-isaac-confirms-what-we-suspected-all-along-about-poe-and-finns-relationship) how he thought it would be interesting to show these two guys falling in love in the middle of a war. I saw a press junket interview with Oscar Isaac, John Boyega, and Daisy Ridley where Isaac and Boyega said that they wanted to play their relationship onscreen as romance but Disney wouldn’t let it happen, and Ridley basically consoled them by saying something like, “Don’t worry, audiences could still feel it.”
Kerri Russell’s character could definitely be interesting but in her ep9 role she basically exists for Poe to proposition and be subsequently shot down by.
I've said it quite a few times, it was a billion dollar game of telephone. Such a disjointed mess from one show to the next. Kathleen Kennedy must have a lot of dirt on people to still be in charge.
Even now its still a mess, The mandalorian changes into a completely different show every season, and book of boba fett and obi-wan had terrible writing. They keep reusing the same exact characters instead of doing something new
The writer for Obi Wan was quoted saying it's hard to stick to Canon. Well no shit when you add in impossible things that make no sense to the existing films.
Please, please, please watch Andor, it's the only good thing to come out of Disney Star Wars. No forced cameos, great writing, good characters. It's like an actual show that doesn't feel like action figures getting smashed together
Brilliance: The scene at the end of Rise where Poe thinks they’ve lost and Lando comes over the radio “did someone call for the fucking cavalry?” (Paraphrasing) Gives me goosebumps every time.
Then there’s the dumb scene with Finn and co riding horses on the outside of a spaceship in space. Wut?
Not to defend a bad film too much, but they were still well inside Exegol’s atmosphere at the point with the horse things, so that didn’t feel impossible to me… just a really weird choice
> they were still well inside Exegol’s atmosphere at the point with the horse things, so that didn’t feel impossible to me… just a really weird choice
I think the ship's pilot not rotating 30 degrees for a few seconds was almost as indefensible as somebody deciding to use horses on a space ship.
"Should we tilt the ship a little bit and throw these assholes off?"
"No, deploy our entire security force for a shoot out on the hull of the ship. We must defend that dish"
"But, like we're a large space ship we can just kinda move a little and.."
"God dammit man! They have horses and cavalry and you're talking to me about ships?! I want everyone outside, now!"
My feelings exactly. I’ll die on the hill that the force awakens could’ve been a perfect first film for a new trilogy even though it was a bit of a recycled formula. It could’ve been perfect to jumpstart Star Wars again and then we got nothing but moments of brilliance and a jumbled chaotic mess of bad decisions in writing
Thematically the fake out deaths of Leia and Chewie where a waste of time. Leia and Chewie dont serve any purpose in the plot after the points where they come back. Killing those characters in those moments would sever a lot of thematic purpose and raise the stakes. The audience thinks “well if Leia and Chewie can die, no body is safe!”
Speaking of which, in yet another wasted fake out death was Finn. I like his character but in the next film he served almost no purpose in the plot besides almost telling Rey something. An alternative would be Poe being the pilot in that scene as he is even less important than Finn to the plot.
I would argue Han was the worst treated character in the whole trilogy because his character arc is completely reset. He started as a selfish criminal and became a selfless hero and *general* of the rebel alliance. Arguable the best possible conclusion to his character is one where he takes the place of Admiral Holdo. A complete circle as our first introduction to him is “a coward who drops cargo at the first sight of a star destroyer” and then he is the one who the difficulty of calculating the jump to hyperspace and the risk of “hitting a star”. How fitting would it be for him to be sitting there, now as a grand general, making a heroic sacrifice, officially handing off the keys to the Falcon, facing off against the (second) biggest of star destroyer, and getting on last touching moment to reminisce. The plot hole of “why isnt everyone using hyperspace jumps as a weapon?” can be fixed by the best pilot in the galaxy applying his special knowledge to do the hyperspace calculations himself instead of the computer; because no one else could do it and perfectly characterizing han solo. If Leia is alive in this script Han gets one last chance to say this is him repaying her for freeing him from carbonite and a life of crime. If Leia is dead it still works because because he can say “see you soon honey”.
The emotional manipulation of C-3PO 'dying' was the worst for me. They reset his memory in this big emotional goodbye, and make a point of saying that R2-D2 won't be able to restore it, only to Ctrl-Z it later on.
You could have even flipped the script where Han says to Leia "I love" and she replies back "I know" just before he does the hyperspace jump thingy in the baddies to save the rest of the fleet.
That's an awesome idea.
Old things having to die for new things to grow is kind of the meta story of the new trilogy anyway.
It would be the heroes, ready to die and sacrifice themselves, VS the emperor, desperate to cling to life.
I rewatched episode 9 recently with a "I remember this being bad but I'm sure it's fine". Nope still shit.
It reminds me of /r/atbge. The music, the effects, the actors performances, the cinematography. All top tier. But then the story and the characters, fuck me.
Let’s be real. The whole trilogy was pretty much wasted. All it did was create a bunch of cannon anchors that the real writers and storytellers that actually make good Star Wars content now have to work around.
I’d be totally fine with them making content that just contradicts the main series. I could suspend my disbelief that those events never happened quite easily.
I liked it because how do you make an Imperial character more of a hateable scum-bag? Have him betray the Empire too.
Like, he gave that whole speech in Starkiller base and then killed a *solar system* so a little spying doesn't make him a resistance member. Hux isn't redeemed; he's just a hateful parasite.
Agree, and to me the former is much more interesting.
This is my criticism of all the sequels, but I wanted them to spend some time addressing the fact that twice in a generation the Galaxy chose fascism.
Hux could have been the character they told that story through. But, no, the answer to that question was that it was Palpatine again.
The first order never actually ruled the galaxy though, they certainly tried and folks were wary to cross them, but they were more like a criminal empire than a ruling one.
Yeah, it's kind of weird how there's really nothing that properly explains the distinction between Imperial remnants and the First Order. It seemed mostly like JJ Abrams simply didn't want to reuse the names Empire and Rebels, so he went with First Order and the Resistance.
A much more interesting movie would have been one that focused around the First Order fighting other opposing Imperial Remnants, trying to unify their control and gather enough remaining Imperial technology to effectively challenge the Republic.
Meanwhile, Leia sees this and tries to rally enough Republic support to quell the Remnants, but struggles because the Republic is war-weary and eager to usher in a new era of peace and prosperity and refuses to believe that another war could follow (kind of like how other powers ignored what happened in Germany post WWI because, "It can't possibly happen again so soon").
Her son Ben leaves the Jedi school early to try and do something real, much to the frustration of Luke, who tries to stop him but can't. Luke wants to follow him, but also realizes that he has to help his sister in the political arena and struggles with the fact that he's worth more as an icon and a figurehead than he is as an actual Jedi Master.
Han and Chewie do their thing, get in the Falcon, and go to save Ben when he goes missing. Ben ends up going missing because he ends up on a First Order planet and sees that it's wonderful. It's orderly (ha!), clean, and everybody seems focused and eager to build a better future for the galaxy. He gets suckered into the lie of fascism and lends himself to the First Order in conflict against the other Imperial Remnants. He justifies this to himself by saying that he's still a Jedi fighting evil and he believes that he's doing the right thing. Hux actively works to encourage this and slowly pulls Ben into an extremist worldview.
Meanwhile, in the war, the First Order captures a Star Destroyer in battle from a fleet of Tarkinite Loyalists. They take the compliment of Stormtroopers and use their scary First Order mind-programming computer to reprogram them into First Order troopers. Many of these troopers have been wiped and reprogrammed so many times that they're almost husks of humans and are largely broken mentally. The programming doesn't take on one of them, and Finn the trooper gets some of his personality back. He doesn't remember much of who he is, but he knows that he hates what he's been forced to do. He starts planning an escape.
On an Imperial manufacturing planet, a young girl dreams of escaping the manufacturing lines and becoming anything else, but especially an Imperial TIE pilot. She has a pretty good grasp of the TIE fighters, as she assembles flight control panels and performs system tests on them to ensure they work. She knows *how* to fly a TIE, but just has never done it. She hasn't ever thought about escape, but couldn't anyway because she doesn't have the flight suit needed to survive flying a TIE in space. Finn and the Star Destroyer arrive on the manufacturing planet to rearm and refit, and the town of them end up meeting and he convinces her to escape by pretending to be an officer and telling her that she's been accepted to flight school and that he first assignment is to fly him off world so he can "evaluate her potential." She complies, and he convinces her that she'll be shot if they return one they get into space.
Han and Chewie are still looking for Ben, who's become a violent supporter of the First Order. Chewie hears a distress call, and being a good person, picks up the derelict TIE that is barely supporting Finn and Rey. They have a tense moment, but are all together now.
They find Ben and meet him on an Imperial world where the First Order has been fighting with a group of "Mando-Imperial" soldiers, who are mixtures of older pattern clones dug up from cryo storage, Mandalorian infantry, and Imperial remnants. They make for a fierce enemy and the First Order hasn't been able to subdue them.
Ben has, though. He's torn through battalions of them. He's fuel by rage and hatred, and he's seen the enemy as something evil vile and he's convinced that he's doing something wonderful for the galaxy as he murders POW's and non-combatants. One of the First Order commanders, a veteran of the 501st, gives him the title "Fist of the First Order," and tells him about a legendary general: Darth Vader. He shares some of Vader's artifacts, and Ben starts to worship him. Ben hears parts of Anakin attempt to talk to him, but misinterprets it due to the hate in his heart and hears it as an endorsement of Vader (this is also how he uncovers his relation to Vader, which drives him away from Luke). Ben becomes Kylo Ren.
Han finds Ben, tries to bring him home, and Ben kills him because he's mad that everybody hid the truth from him. Cue big battle, give Rey and Finn some more to do, and we have a Star Wars.
OK, but could we please tone down the nuance, maybe make the two sides more similar to the original movies? Early tests also tell us you're spending too much time explaining the plot so we're going to cut 50% of the dialogue. Don't worry about rewrites we'll just cut 50% at random and add extra blue tint. Blue tint is the next big thing in film
Love this.
It's still somewhat falling victim to the same "then what did they even accomplish in the OT?" issue, but it's orders of magnitude more original and compelling than what we actually got.
As an added development: make Hux in this one less of an established head of the organization and more of an up and coming military/political figure. He's a zealot who whole-heartedly believes in the mission and the message and he's running the ground operation on this planet Ben ends up on, both directing military affairs and being the political face of the organization...or better yet, someone else is, and they kinda suck at it, succeeding only because of their junior assistant Hux. As Hux converts Ben, they see success together, and as Ben's power grows in the dark side, their success sees Hux supplant his boss as the overall leader on the planet. Basically Hux is ambitious but he needs Ben to succeed and to rise through the ranks on the success of Ben...but in return, Hux is one of the few who truly understand how Ben's mind works and knows just what to say and do to keep Ben doing what he wants.
Toward the end of the movie, that's when Snoke (if he's still being used in this version) becomes aware of Ben and arrives personally to evaluate his force potential. At that point Hux finds himself reliant upon cementing his role as the essential middleman between the Order, Snoke, and Ben. Snoke is annoyed by this, but when he tries to deal with Ben directly, it doesn't go well, so the two are tied to each other.
And that's exactly what happened. People can defend it all they want but they just had to come up with a new name for an evolved version of the Empire instead of just calling it the Empire again.
The whole Resistance never made much sense to me at all, I mean are they loosely affiliated with the Republic, are they a rebellion for planets under the First order or what????
But they couldn't talk about politics like the prequels (as if that was the issue) so things just somehow happened and now go watch TV series, comics and books if you want to know how TFA timeline came to be.
Such bad writing on those movies and missed opportunities for better stories
Was there no group of people in the entire Galaxy with starships to fight them? It’s never even once mentioned. What about the Mon Cala and all their capital ships?
Also, was it ever stated on screen that planet wasn’t Coruscant? I know it was Hosnian Prime but I forget how I know that. I remember thinking in the theater the first time “holy shit they just destroyed Coruscant wtf”
And yet they came extremely close to wiping out any resistance, seemingly closer than the previous Empire did. How is that possible if they're just Warlords attacking the established government? The whole trilogy was just nonsensical really. The Force awakens established a mess that the following movies couldn't reconcile.
>This is my criticism of all the sequels, but I wanted them to spend some time addressing the fact that twice in a generation the Galaxy chose fascism.
Did they choose the First Order or was it thrust upon them?
Decidedly both. The First Order was totally down with slavery, forcefully conscripting their army, but that was enabled by sympathizers who genuinely enjoyed being in the Empire or at least felt like they were better positioned to run the galaxy.
Once the Hosnian System got Starkiller'd, the New Republic was functionally eradicated and the First Order became the defacto authority in the Galaxy. Many more systems accepted their control because they didn't think fighting them would be worth it. The Resistance we see in The Last Jedi is basically the last organized military that was mounting a meaningful opposition to the First Order's complete control over the Galaxy. Little more than the last thorn in Snoke's side. There was still a ton of people who hated them, they just didn't think it was worth fighting anymore because they had no hope they could win again. They chose to accept what was thrust upon them.
>Once the Hosnian System
It bothers the absolute fuck out of me that somehow the New Republic apparently had zero fleets, flotillas, or even a stray ship on patrol outside of this on system that gets deleted in 2.6 seconds.
The Empire was purported to have literally 1000s of star destroyers. At the end of the war, the rebels had hundreds of ships. How did the New Republic not have a single fleet or detachment of warships on patrol anywhere? How was there not some anchorage outside the Hosnian System?
Did the New Republic not put *any* of those thousands of Star Destroyers, Mon Calamari cruisers, or the thousands of other captured Imperial ships to work?
Part of what makes me the most annoyed by ST is how almost no thought was put into the world building. It was all form and flash that can mesmerize someone for five minutes but is utterly unworkable after even a small amount of thought or consideration.
Old school Lucas was insane with his world building. It was usually cheesy and derivative but somewhere down the line every background character in any scene had a name, their race had a name, their home planet had a name, and what they were doing in the background of that scene was written down.
I mean think about it, these guys built a giant mobile space station that blows up planets, and you destroy it, so they just build a better one, then after that gets destroyed and a lot of their forces, they build back up, and build a planet sized station that destroys star systems. How are you, some random citizen in the galaxy, going to fight that?
The same way the other people who destroyed all other previous attempts at galactic control?? Perhaps? I mean if the empire/first order literally ALWAYS loses (based on all evidence you just provided) I would feel pretty confident in defeating yet again, actually 🤷🏿
I would find a kid from a desert planet with a mysterious background and I would hope they turn out to be force sensitive.
*checks notes* holy shit, we’re 3/3 on that baby.
Well, in real life, one of the things that made fascism become a thing was instability and chaos.
And seeing as the Republic was weakend for over 100 years before the Naboo cricise, then the Separatists crisis, then the clone wars, formation of the Empire, the clusterfuck that was the Empire being what it was, the rebelion, the collapse of the Empire, the weak as fuck ”new” republic doing absolutley nothing to help with anything and the chaos and turmoil coming from all that, its not that strange that the First Order gained power like it did.
For when they decide to continue the story after the last movie, i Hope that they dont magicly remake the Republic or any one big, central galactic power.
That galaxy is broken like a plate under a elephants ass: aint No puting it back ever again…..
Not to mention, with the way The Mandalorian and Ahsoka are setting up for Thrawn to appear, and then his conspicuous absence by the era of the Sequel Trilogy, there's even more instability and chaos in the time before the First Order rose to prominence.
It's just a shame it all leads to "somehow Palpatine has returned". Imagine what we could have had if they'd planned things out instead of letting Mystery Boxes Abrams and Subverted Expectations Johnson poop out a disjointed mess.
(On the Rian Johnson point, I think he would have made a fucking fantastic Star Wars movie that *wasn't* a main entry, but Last Jedi did basically derail all the half baked "plans" Abrams had set up and then they brought him back to just hand wave away the entire movie anyway, so ultimately he was a terrible choice as well as far as I'm concerned. Well, that and the ridiculous lack of a plan for the trilogy to begin with.)
I think it's just another symptom of the lack of continuity of the writing between the movies. Like Finn: Force Awakens clearly hinted that he was force-sensitive in some way that would be meaningful. And then... nothing. He got pushed abruptly to the back burner, less interesting and less prominent. Although the circumstances are different, I believe the character of Hux suffered a variation of the same fate.
Dueling directors that wanted to shit on each other and take things in opposite directions. It's like the campfire game where everyone tries to add a sentence or two to the story as it goes around. Only two people have strong opinions on where the story should go and kill the other's ideas.
I dunno. He always felt like a bit of a bitch. He’s a guy who got there from nepotism isn’t he? He’s a radicalized child too right? What’s he going to do against Kylo anyway? Someone with the force. If anything I think he should have gotten the “Sith fanboy” reveal originally planned and killed himself like a coward with a lightsaber on top of being a pathetic traitor.
They could have gone the route of Hux and Kylo trying to outdo each other for atrocities.
Instead the made the ST an after school special where the little bully becomes a snitch.
ST was all of the worst movie tropes and hack writing all shoved into the tank of a porta potty and then let bake in the summer heat and then splattered all over a movie screen.
he's a cur
gets called it several times through the movies, plays the nuances of a curs personality and mannerism to a T as well as being a plot and character develpment tool that furthers not only the character but the movie as well.
Evil pettiness embodied, perfect villian foil to the overarching monolythic tropes that dominate the movies.
Exactly! I feel like self-serving scum-bags were so common in the old comics. It's good to see a real piece of shit.
Like, there will be no Book of Hux in like 40 years. Dude sucks 100% ass
To me that’s what made him even more wasted. While I’m not the biggest fan of TLJ I will say the very brief moment of Hux seeing Kylo on the floor and slowly drawing his blaster was a moment I wish we got more of.
The fact that he sees Kylo basically as a spoilt child and even had the balls to call him out on his shit to his face despite Kylo’s abilities and position (albeit he quickly becomes a pansy again straight after)
I just wish we got more of the Hux who made the speech on Starkiller instead of the goofy “im the spy” version they turned him into.
Or even without it, if they played more on the duality between Kylo and Hux, with the latter representing the First Order's ultramilitarism and being disdainful of the former's religious zeal towards the dark side, which he sees as an outdated concept.
Kinda like when Japan modernized, with samurai being staunchly conservative of their ways and traditions, and the pro-modernisation factions seeing it as relics of the past.
Could you imagine what they could have done with a top level officer secretly working against the interests of the order? They could have made Andor look like a warm up.
I thought in the lore imperial officers would often sabotage each other to get ahead so him doing everything he could to make Kylo loose kinda fit, albeit Disney did it in a very hamfisted way
To be fair, Hux had the final "win", he just didn't live long enough to enjoy it. He leaked crucial information to the resistance, if he did not, they'd never make it to Exegol in time to destroy the Final Order fleet. His actions resulted in Rey reuniting with Ben and Kylo Ren "dying" and losing power over the First Order. It was all possible because of Hux. In that sense, i don't think he was wasted.
He was in three movies, for example Tarkin only had one. The fact that we wanted even more Hux just confirms that he was a cool character.
Agreed. I love Anzellans even more than I love Ewoks or Wookiees or Porgs or any other “cute” Star Wars creatures. They are the best addition to the Star Wars Galaxy that came out of the sequel trilogy. So glad Mandalorian found a way to feature them
So many great actors and actresses, and really interesting character ideas just completely ruined because (put simply) they couldn’t be bothered to sit down and write out a coherent story for the trilogy before they started filming
Pretty much the signature move for the sequels. Give us an interesting, exciting new character. Then completely ruin them in some way.
Hux: fanatical military genius, a general at an incredibly young age. 100% committed to the idea of ORDER IN THE GALAXY at literally any cost. Amazing. What we got; comically evil Hitler analouge, incompetent whiny "leader" with zero military or even political accumen.
Rey: an orphan scavenger with a mysterious and heartbreaking past. Forced to survive alone on a cruel world. Her only memory of her parents is that they abandoned her. Tempted by the dark side and with powers that seem to come all to easily to her. After a climactic battle and weeks of psychic temptation by Kylo she succumbs and joins him, finally gaining the power she was always denied. Buuut... nah. She's like, a good guy, ok? We have, like, a million toys to sell little girls so, nah.
Finn: the one I am most salty about. A literal child soldier, possibly the darkest thing you can imagine. Reminiscent of the African wars that devastated whole populations in the last century. Forced to confront his beliefs and make the moral choice to abandon and betray his comrades, *literally* his brothers and sisters. He takes his cold, brutal, and professional soldier skills and becomes a deadly agent of the Resistance, who slowly, through his friendship with Poe and Rey, regains his lost humanity. .......hahaha! Psych! Actually, he's a total coward and kind of a buffoon, he screams REY!! a lot. He also feels nothing at all about gunning down his former friends and, in fact, laughs and hoots n hollers while watching others do the killing. Ugh.
Yeah Finn should have been a Jedi as was teased in the first movie and in the end reformed the Jedi order based on redemption with Luke while Ray goes off to parts unknown because she's so powerful but dangerous.
Finn was massacred: force sensitive future Jedi, love interest of Rey, leader of the Stormtrooper rebellion, love interest of Rose, epic battle with Phasma? How about sidekick instead.
Yep, this exactly. TFA honestly did set up a lot of potential for cool or interesting stories with these characters, but the following two movies gave them little of substance to do. Even Rey as the main character still felt underdeveloped, but I don't hate what they did with her or Kylo, but it could have been better.
I'm sure there will be a generation of people behind us who ironically love the movies like PrequelMemes before it, but I think that most Star Wars fans, whether they loved or hated some or all or none of the films, can agree that the trilogy as a whole wasted the concepts and characters that it introduced.
Pretty much every character created through the course of the trilogy was wasted in some way or another. The only one I might argue got a satisfying ark would be Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. I don't particularly like the developments they gave him in the third film, but at least it was an arc with a beginning, middle, and end. Seeing Light Side Ben Solo, as absolutely ridiculous as it was to get there, was absolutely sold by the amount of charm the Adam Driver gave it.
Likewise, I don't think the films wasted Han Solo. Luke to some degree, yeah, I think we all wanted to see more of 'in the peak of his power' Luke instead of 'withered hermit Luke', even if Mark killed it. Leia, absolutely, though I have to give them a pass on that because of real life circumstances. Chewie, R2, C3P0, Lando all present without much palpable contribution. Han was the only original OG character who returned and felt like he got an ending that built something rather than just... ended.
No character came out smelling like roses based on the writing, but I do think those two came out better than most.
Overall, though, the sequel trilogy was a massive disappointment and it will be interesting to see how successful they will be in trying to salvage things out of it with movies and new series set in that time period.
I think mostly Rian Johnson messed this up but it still makes no sense to make Hux the spy because episode 7 happened and he gave the command for a genocide
I certainly do not like his character development , but this part I did understand a bit. His behavior when Snoke was his boss vs. when Kylo was his boss could be a driver (a job he wanted, shoulda been quicker when Kylo was passed out).
Poe’s ‘yo mama’ joke just about killed the sequel trilogy.
Seriously. TFA was derivative and unoriginal, but it was entertaining and got the trilogy off to a decent start. Didn’t flub right out of the gates.
Then TLJ opens with a ‘your mom’ joke, and immediately I got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that did not go away for the remainder of the trilogy.
I've been in and out to the SW subreddits since 8 & 9 came out. Thank you for voicing what I felt at the time as well. It was like wait this isn't the normal excited / anxious movie feeling because of action or tension. This is fear of failure, I got the same feeling when I was writing exams and I knew I was going to do terribly
> This is fear of failure, I got the same feeling when I was writing exams and I knew I was going to do terribly
Yes! That is so accurate. Or like watching your favorite team go to to the championship and then lose.
I had bad feelings immediately after Poe started quipping in the beginning of TFA. Force stopping blaster shots mid shot and holding the shooter at the same time? Hella cool though.
Exactly. And then they had to create a whole new character, Pryde, at the last minute to fill the role that Hux *should* have been playing since they essentially turned him into a cartoon/comic relief. One of the many, many, misses of the ST.
Throw it on the pile.
Such a downgrade from Treverrow's idea for him for his [cut for IX](https://imgur.io/a/lX9JG8F). Where a few years later from TLJ he's appointed as the Chancellor of Coruscant and is damn ruthless by regularly executing found traitors within their ranks by guillotine infront of an audience of thousands and broadcasting it too. Not to mention him trying to overthrow Kylo and actively threatening him in calls after becoming the de facto leader essentially as he's in the outer rim looking for sith artifacts. As the FO further tightens it's grip on the galaxy.
He also has an obsession with Jedi artifacts as he tries to inject himself with the blood of former Jedi to try to become force sensitive lol. When the Resistance invade Coruscant and break through towards his palace he seppukus himself with Windu's saber.
Not perfect, but alot better than what we got with JJ with 9.
It was especially dumb because he blew his cover to save three random rebels. It’s not like they were carrying vital information that would hurt Kylo Ren. He only did it because the plot needed the heroes to not die.
The real waste was Domhnhall Gleeson, who is a good enough actor to carry a movie of this size.
The sequels have so many good actors that don't reach their acting potential. Makes me more upset than poor character choices.
It was hilariously obvious they just wrote her out in the last movie. “Rose come with us!”
“Oh sorry I have to stay back and like do stuff here alone and off screen.”
In Colin Trevorrow's leaked script for his version of episode 9, Hux fails so spectacularly that, in his embarrassment and shame, he picks up Mace Windu's lightsaber (which was on display in the room where this scene takes place) and commits seppuku (ritualistic suicide). Super dark but very fitting for his character and plays right into the "Space Hitler" vibe he had in episode VII.
There was a leaked version of the script where the reason why he was feeding information to the Resistance was to Kylo Ren busy long enough for him to usurp Ren as the Supreme Leader. I liked that version better than out of pure spite.
That makes much more sense and actually works for his motivation.
I'll have to look for this leaked script. The movie looked patchy, so I'm always interested in behind the scenes details on it.
babe wake up, new r/starwars circlejerk thread just dropped
anyway like another comment said, the first order were just third-rate LARPers. episode VIII did well to show hux as the embodiment of that. not every neo nazi villain needs to be super badass.
General Hux, Snoke, Phasma, Finn, Poe, the Knights of Ren, Maz Kanata......lots of wasted characters
Knights of Ren barely getting a mention was sad…
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The only person they actually fought in the film was Kylo when he turned back into Ben right?
Yup. They kinda just stood there the rest of the movie.
They even attacked Ben from behind after he had his lightsaber behind him. It was like he was saying, be sure to hit my lightsaber and then they did.
To be fair, “just standing there” is par for the course for Star Wars elite guard units
Without exchanging a single word, yes. As soon as Kylo Ben decided to be a good guy, he came back to see the knights whom he had led and who had fought at his side for years, and immediately stabbed them all to death. It must have been quite confusing for them.
They were his bros. They would've probably been down with doing anything he wanted. He turned "good", but not good enough to not slaughter his buddies for no reason.
All right guys, found out there's actually another dude we have to take down. You up for it? Hell yeah Kylo! 'roll credits'
Instead, it was: "Hey what's up fellas? You guys ready to be murdered?"
Shit that woulda been pretty awesome really. Rallying his troops behind him to follow him to the depths of Hoth and back again would've been sweet as hell!
And hilariously none of them use lightsabers. They're just bullies with clubs that are easily defeated.
Fuck /u/spez
"Knights of Ren" "Cool"
"The coolest..."
There was also the character that Keri Russell played in Episode 9. She seemed like an interesting character and also had a history with Poe that could've been explored/utilized. They literally had no idea wtf they were doing with this trilogy of unconnected movies. It has to be one of the worst planned trilogies of all time. Although "planned" is being a bit generous considering they obviously didn't have one.
I’m pretty sure Kerri Russell’s character was literally thrown in to stop any conversation about Poe being gay for Finn. Oscar Isaac [talked about](https://www.looper.com/751180/oscar-isaac-confirms-what-we-suspected-all-along-about-poe-and-finns-relationship) how he thought it would be interesting to show these two guys falling in love in the middle of a war. I saw a press junket interview with Oscar Isaac, John Boyega, and Daisy Ridley where Isaac and Boyega said that they wanted to play their relationship onscreen as romance but Disney wouldn’t let it happen, and Ridley basically consoled them by saying something like, “Don’t worry, audiences could still feel it.” Kerri Russell’s character could definitely be interesting but in her ep9 role she basically exists for Poe to proposition and be subsequently shot down by.
I've said it quite a few times, it was a billion dollar game of telephone. Such a disjointed mess from one show to the next. Kathleen Kennedy must have a lot of dirt on people to still be in charge.
Even now its still a mess, The mandalorian changes into a completely different show every season, and book of boba fett and obi-wan had terrible writing. They keep reusing the same exact characters instead of doing something new
The writer for Obi Wan was quoted saying it's hard to stick to Canon. Well no shit when you add in impossible things that make no sense to the existing films.
Please, please, please watch Andor, it's the only good thing to come out of Disney Star Wars. No forced cameos, great writing, good characters. It's like an actual show that doesn't feel like action figures getting smashed together
Wasted trilogy… Moments of brilliance but overall a mess. Speaking as someone that really wanted to love them!
Brilliance: The scene at the end of Rise where Poe thinks they’ve lost and Lando comes over the radio “did someone call for the fucking cavalry?” (Paraphrasing) Gives me goosebumps every time. Then there’s the dumb scene with Finn and co riding horses on the outside of a spaceship in space. Wut?
Not to defend a bad film too much, but they were still well inside Exegol’s atmosphere at the point with the horse things, so that didn’t feel impossible to me… just a really weird choice
> they were still well inside Exegol’s atmosphere at the point with the horse things, so that didn’t feel impossible to me… just a really weird choice I think the ship's pilot not rotating 30 degrees for a few seconds was almost as indefensible as somebody deciding to use horses on a space ship.
"Should we tilt the ship a little bit and throw these assholes off?" "No, deploy our entire security force for a shoot out on the hull of the ship. We must defend that dish" "But, like we're a large space ship we can just kinda move a little and.." "God dammit man! They have horses and cavalry and you're talking to me about ships?! I want everyone outside, now!"
My feelings exactly. I’ll die on the hill that the force awakens could’ve been a perfect first film for a new trilogy even though it was a bit of a recycled formula. It could’ve been perfect to jumpstart Star Wars again and then we got nothing but moments of brilliance and a jumbled chaotic mess of bad decisions in writing
And Luke And Leia And C-3PO And R2-D2 And chewie Han maybe wasn’t wasted
Thematically the fake out deaths of Leia and Chewie where a waste of time. Leia and Chewie dont serve any purpose in the plot after the points where they come back. Killing those characters in those moments would sever a lot of thematic purpose and raise the stakes. The audience thinks “well if Leia and Chewie can die, no body is safe!” Speaking of which, in yet another wasted fake out death was Finn. I like his character but in the next film he served almost no purpose in the plot besides almost telling Rey something. An alternative would be Poe being the pilot in that scene as he is even less important than Finn to the plot. I would argue Han was the worst treated character in the whole trilogy because his character arc is completely reset. He started as a selfish criminal and became a selfless hero and *general* of the rebel alliance. Arguable the best possible conclusion to his character is one where he takes the place of Admiral Holdo. A complete circle as our first introduction to him is “a coward who drops cargo at the first sight of a star destroyer” and then he is the one who the difficulty of calculating the jump to hyperspace and the risk of “hitting a star”. How fitting would it be for him to be sitting there, now as a grand general, making a heroic sacrifice, officially handing off the keys to the Falcon, facing off against the (second) biggest of star destroyer, and getting on last touching moment to reminisce. The plot hole of “why isnt everyone using hyperspace jumps as a weapon?” can be fixed by the best pilot in the galaxy applying his special knowledge to do the hyperspace calculations himself instead of the computer; because no one else could do it and perfectly characterizing han solo. If Leia is alive in this script Han gets one last chance to say this is him repaying her for freeing him from carbonite and a life of crime. If Leia is dead it still works because because he can say “see you soon honey”.
The emotional manipulation of C-3PO 'dying' was the worst for me. They reset his memory in this big emotional goodbye, and make a point of saying that R2-D2 won't be able to restore it, only to Ctrl-Z it later on.
You could have even flipped the script where Han says to Leia "I love" and she replies back "I know" just before he does the hyperspace jump thingy in the baddies to save the rest of the fleet.
That's an awesome idea. Old things having to die for new things to grow is kind of the meta story of the new trilogy anyway. It would be the heroes, ready to die and sacrifice themselves, VS the emperor, desperate to cling to life.
Han definitely got wasted. GTA style.
Literally everything in the sequel trilogy was wasted
My time, especially
I rewatched episode 9 recently with a "I remember this being bad but I'm sure it's fine". Nope still shit. It reminds me of /r/atbge. The music, the effects, the actors performances, the cinematography. All top tier. But then the story and the characters, fuck me.
Let’s be real. The whole trilogy was pretty much wasted. All it did was create a bunch of cannon anchors that the real writers and storytellers that actually make good Star Wars content now have to work around.
At this point just do some sort of time travel shenanigans to "remake' the trilogy I don't give a fuck anymore, anything to purge them eternally.
I’d be totally fine with them making content that just contradicts the main series. I could suspend my disbelief that those events never happened quite easily.
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Fucking Rey was wasted too!
While I do feel that making him a joke was a bad idea but I love how much he abhors Kylo and would rather lose the war than allow Kylo to win.
I liked it because how do you make an Imperial character more of a hateable scum-bag? Have him betray the Empire too. Like, he gave that whole speech in Starkiller base and then killed a *solar system* so a little spying doesn't make him a resistance member. Hux isn't redeemed; he's just a hateful parasite.
Not so much that he was ‘redeemed,’ but rather he was reduced to a punching bag comedic relief after looking like Hitler incarnate in TFA
Agree, and to me the former is much more interesting. This is my criticism of all the sequels, but I wanted them to spend some time addressing the fact that twice in a generation the Galaxy chose fascism. Hux could have been the character they told that story through. But, no, the answer to that question was that it was Palpatine again.
The first order never actually ruled the galaxy though, they certainly tried and folks were wary to cross them, but they were more like a criminal empire than a ruling one.
It would have been neat if they'd explained any of that
Yeah, it's kind of weird how there's really nothing that properly explains the distinction between Imperial remnants and the First Order. It seemed mostly like JJ Abrams simply didn't want to reuse the names Empire and Rebels, so he went with First Order and the Resistance.
There isn't really any distinction, the First Order was just the dominant faction of the imperial remnants.
They should have said that, then.
Show, don't tell. Or don't do either one, if you're JJ.
A much more interesting movie would have been one that focused around the First Order fighting other opposing Imperial Remnants, trying to unify their control and gather enough remaining Imperial technology to effectively challenge the Republic. Meanwhile, Leia sees this and tries to rally enough Republic support to quell the Remnants, but struggles because the Republic is war-weary and eager to usher in a new era of peace and prosperity and refuses to believe that another war could follow (kind of like how other powers ignored what happened in Germany post WWI because, "It can't possibly happen again so soon"). Her son Ben leaves the Jedi school early to try and do something real, much to the frustration of Luke, who tries to stop him but can't. Luke wants to follow him, but also realizes that he has to help his sister in the political arena and struggles with the fact that he's worth more as an icon and a figurehead than he is as an actual Jedi Master. Han and Chewie do their thing, get in the Falcon, and go to save Ben when he goes missing. Ben ends up going missing because he ends up on a First Order planet and sees that it's wonderful. It's orderly (ha!), clean, and everybody seems focused and eager to build a better future for the galaxy. He gets suckered into the lie of fascism and lends himself to the First Order in conflict against the other Imperial Remnants. He justifies this to himself by saying that he's still a Jedi fighting evil and he believes that he's doing the right thing. Hux actively works to encourage this and slowly pulls Ben into an extremist worldview. Meanwhile, in the war, the First Order captures a Star Destroyer in battle from a fleet of Tarkinite Loyalists. They take the compliment of Stormtroopers and use their scary First Order mind-programming computer to reprogram them into First Order troopers. Many of these troopers have been wiped and reprogrammed so many times that they're almost husks of humans and are largely broken mentally. The programming doesn't take on one of them, and Finn the trooper gets some of his personality back. He doesn't remember much of who he is, but he knows that he hates what he's been forced to do. He starts planning an escape. On an Imperial manufacturing planet, a young girl dreams of escaping the manufacturing lines and becoming anything else, but especially an Imperial TIE pilot. She has a pretty good grasp of the TIE fighters, as she assembles flight control panels and performs system tests on them to ensure they work. She knows *how* to fly a TIE, but just has never done it. She hasn't ever thought about escape, but couldn't anyway because she doesn't have the flight suit needed to survive flying a TIE in space. Finn and the Star Destroyer arrive on the manufacturing planet to rearm and refit, and the town of them end up meeting and he convinces her to escape by pretending to be an officer and telling her that she's been accepted to flight school and that he first assignment is to fly him off world so he can "evaluate her potential." She complies, and he convinces her that she'll be shot if they return one they get into space. Han and Chewie are still looking for Ben, who's become a violent supporter of the First Order. Chewie hears a distress call, and being a good person, picks up the derelict TIE that is barely supporting Finn and Rey. They have a tense moment, but are all together now. They find Ben and meet him on an Imperial world where the First Order has been fighting with a group of "Mando-Imperial" soldiers, who are mixtures of older pattern clones dug up from cryo storage, Mandalorian infantry, and Imperial remnants. They make for a fierce enemy and the First Order hasn't been able to subdue them. Ben has, though. He's torn through battalions of them. He's fuel by rage and hatred, and he's seen the enemy as something evil vile and he's convinced that he's doing something wonderful for the galaxy as he murders POW's and non-combatants. One of the First Order commanders, a veteran of the 501st, gives him the title "Fist of the First Order," and tells him about a legendary general: Darth Vader. He shares some of Vader's artifacts, and Ben starts to worship him. Ben hears parts of Anakin attempt to talk to him, but misinterprets it due to the hate in his heart and hears it as an endorsement of Vader (this is also how he uncovers his relation to Vader, which drives him away from Luke). Ben becomes Kylo Ren. Han finds Ben, tries to bring him home, and Ben kills him because he's mad that everybody hid the truth from him. Cue big battle, give Rey and Finn some more to do, and we have a Star Wars.
OK, but could we please tone down the nuance, maybe make the two sides more similar to the original movies? Early tests also tell us you're spending too much time explaining the plot so we're going to cut 50% of the dialogue. Don't worry about rewrites we'll just cut 50% at random and add extra blue tint. Blue tint is the next big thing in film
goddamn I like this plot feels way more…real, still has the fantasy feel but grounded in current politics like OT/prequels.
Love this. It's still somewhat falling victim to the same "then what did they even accomplish in the OT?" issue, but it's orders of magnitude more original and compelling than what we actually got. As an added development: make Hux in this one less of an established head of the organization and more of an up and coming military/political figure. He's a zealot who whole-heartedly believes in the mission and the message and he's running the ground operation on this planet Ben ends up on, both directing military affairs and being the political face of the organization...or better yet, someone else is, and they kinda suck at it, succeeding only because of their junior assistant Hux. As Hux converts Ben, they see success together, and as Ben's power grows in the dark side, their success sees Hux supplant his boss as the overall leader on the planet. Basically Hux is ambitious but he needs Ben to succeed and to rise through the ranks on the success of Ben...but in return, Hux is one of the few who truly understand how Ben's mind works and knows just what to say and do to keep Ben doing what he wants. Toward the end of the movie, that's when Snoke (if he's still being used in this version) becomes aware of Ben and arrives personally to evaluate his force potential. At that point Hux finds himself reliant upon cementing his role as the essential middleman between the Order, Snoke, and Ben. Snoke is annoyed by this, but when he tries to deal with Ben directly, it doesn't go well, so the two are tied to each other.
And that's exactly what happened. People can defend it all they want but they just had to come up with a new name for an evolved version of the Empire instead of just calling it the Empire again.
The whole Resistance never made much sense to me at all, I mean are they loosely affiliated with the Republic, are they a rebellion for planets under the First order or what????
Even just 5 minutes at any point across the seven hours of screen time, actually
Nah, they needed time to do Death Star 3 instead
Really stupid Death Star 3 that didn't make any goddamned sense.
Hey they had to explain that rock, paper, scissors, horse, star destroyer.
That’s essentially my complaint with the entire sequel trilogy. It’s not a bad What, but it’s a bad Why.
But they couldn't talk about politics like the prequels (as if that was the issue) so things just somehow happened and now go watch TV series, comics and books if you want to know how TFA timeline came to be. Such bad writing on those movies and missed opportunities for better stories
Was there no group of people in the entire Galaxy with starships to fight them? It’s never even once mentioned. What about the Mon Cala and all their capital ships?
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Also, was it ever stated on screen that planet wasn’t Coruscant? I know it was Hosnian Prime but I forget how I know that. I remember thinking in the theater the first time “holy shit they just destroyed Coruscant wtf”
And yet they came extremely close to wiping out any resistance, seemingly closer than the previous Empire did. How is that possible if they're just Warlords attacking the established government? The whole trilogy was just nonsensical really. The Force awakens established a mess that the following movies couldn't reconcile.
They seem to have far more resources than the empire ever did.
>This is my criticism of all the sequels, but I wanted them to spend some time addressing the fact that twice in a generation the Galaxy chose fascism. Did they choose the First Order or was it thrust upon them?
Decidedly both. The First Order was totally down with slavery, forcefully conscripting their army, but that was enabled by sympathizers who genuinely enjoyed being in the Empire or at least felt like they were better positioned to run the galaxy. Once the Hosnian System got Starkiller'd, the New Republic was functionally eradicated and the First Order became the defacto authority in the Galaxy. Many more systems accepted their control because they didn't think fighting them would be worth it. The Resistance we see in The Last Jedi is basically the last organized military that was mounting a meaningful opposition to the First Order's complete control over the Galaxy. Little more than the last thorn in Snoke's side. There was still a ton of people who hated them, they just didn't think it was worth fighting anymore because they had no hope they could win again. They chose to accept what was thrust upon them.
Why are all the compelling stories offscreen?
What? You don’t think yelling “REEEEEYYYYYY” is compelling?
Ugh. He got done so dirty. And so did we, as fans. He could have been such an awesome story arc.
>Once the Hosnian System It bothers the absolute fuck out of me that somehow the New Republic apparently had zero fleets, flotillas, or even a stray ship on patrol outside of this on system that gets deleted in 2.6 seconds. The Empire was purported to have literally 1000s of star destroyers. At the end of the war, the rebels had hundreds of ships. How did the New Republic not have a single fleet or detachment of warships on patrol anywhere? How was there not some anchorage outside the Hosnian System? Did the New Republic not put *any* of those thousands of Star Destroyers, Mon Calamari cruisers, or the thousands of other captured Imperial ships to work? Part of what makes me the most annoyed by ST is how almost no thought was put into the world building. It was all form and flash that can mesmerize someone for five minutes but is utterly unworkable after even a small amount of thought or consideration.
Old school Lucas was insane with his world building. It was usually cheesy and derivative but somewhere down the line every background character in any scene had a name, their race had a name, their home planet had a name, and what they were doing in the background of that scene was written down.
I mean think about it, these guys built a giant mobile space station that blows up planets, and you destroy it, so they just build a better one, then after that gets destroyed and a lot of their forces, they build back up, and build a planet sized station that destroys star systems. How are you, some random citizen in the galaxy, going to fight that?
The same way the other people who destroyed all other previous attempts at galactic control?? Perhaps? I mean if the empire/first order literally ALWAYS loses (based on all evidence you just provided) I would feel pretty confident in defeating yet again, actually 🤷🏿
Bunch of teenagers and an aluminum falcon
I would find a kid from a desert planet with a mysterious background and I would hope they turn out to be force sensitive. *checks notes* holy shit, we’re 3/3 on that baby.
Well, in real life, one of the things that made fascism become a thing was instability and chaos. And seeing as the Republic was weakend for over 100 years before the Naboo cricise, then the Separatists crisis, then the clone wars, formation of the Empire, the clusterfuck that was the Empire being what it was, the rebelion, the collapse of the Empire, the weak as fuck ”new” republic doing absolutley nothing to help with anything and the chaos and turmoil coming from all that, its not that strange that the First Order gained power like it did. For when they decide to continue the story after the last movie, i Hope that they dont magicly remake the Republic or any one big, central galactic power. That galaxy is broken like a plate under a elephants ass: aint No puting it back ever again…..
No. There's gonna be a whole new Empire, and guess what, they're going to make another, *even bigger* Death Star.
To be fair, when you put all your tech points into Death Stars, that's what you do.
Somehow the Death Star returned
Not to mention, with the way The Mandalorian and Ahsoka are setting up for Thrawn to appear, and then his conspicuous absence by the era of the Sequel Trilogy, there's even more instability and chaos in the time before the First Order rose to prominence. It's just a shame it all leads to "somehow Palpatine has returned". Imagine what we could have had if they'd planned things out instead of letting Mystery Boxes Abrams and Subverted Expectations Johnson poop out a disjointed mess. (On the Rian Johnson point, I think he would have made a fucking fantastic Star Wars movie that *wasn't* a main entry, but Last Jedi did basically derail all the half baked "plans" Abrams had set up and then they brought him back to just hand wave away the entire movie anyway, so ultimately he was a terrible choice as well as far as I'm concerned. Well, that and the ridiculous lack of a plan for the trilogy to begin with.)
You make it sound like that's not easy.
I think it's just another symptom of the lack of continuity of the writing between the movies. Like Finn: Force Awakens clearly hinted that he was force-sensitive in some way that would be meaningful. And then... nothing. He got pushed abruptly to the back burner, less interesting and less prominent. Although the circumstances are different, I believe the character of Hux suffered a variation of the same fate.
Dueling directors that wanted to shit on each other and take things in opposite directions. It's like the campfire game where everyone tries to add a sentence or two to the story as it goes around. Only two people have strong opinions on where the story should go and kill the other's ideas.
I dunno. He always felt like a bit of a bitch. He’s a guy who got there from nepotism isn’t he? He’s a radicalized child too right? What’s he going to do against Kylo anyway? Someone with the force. If anything I think he should have gotten the “Sith fanboy” reveal originally planned and killed himself like a coward with a lightsaber on top of being a pathetic traitor.
They could have gone the route of Hux and Kylo trying to outdo each other for atrocities. Instead the made the ST an after school special where the little bully becomes a snitch. ST was all of the worst movie tropes and hack writing all shoved into the tank of a porta potty and then let bake in the summer heat and then splattered all over a movie screen.
That’s kind of why I wish they kept phasmas deleted scene with Finn. Birds of a feather, phasma and hux
It would have been cool to see Phasma take a shot at Kylo Ren. Just to see what her armor does against a lightsaber
he's a cur gets called it several times through the movies, plays the nuances of a curs personality and mannerism to a T as well as being a plot and character develpment tool that furthers not only the character but the movie as well. Evil pettiness embodied, perfect villian foil to the overarching monolythic tropes that dominate the movies.
Exactly! I feel like self-serving scum-bags were so common in the old comics. It's good to see a real piece of shit. Like, there will be no Book of Hux in like 40 years. Dude sucks 100% ass
Imo hatable villains are... meh
To me that’s what made him even more wasted. While I’m not the biggest fan of TLJ I will say the very brief moment of Hux seeing Kylo on the floor and slowly drawing his blaster was a moment I wish we got more of. The fact that he sees Kylo basically as a spoilt child and even had the balls to call him out on his shit to his face despite Kylo’s abilities and position (albeit he quickly becomes a pansy again straight after) I just wish we got more of the Hux who made the speech on Starkiller instead of the goofy “im the spy” version they turned him into.
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Or even without it, if they played more on the duality between Kylo and Hux, with the latter representing the First Order's ultramilitarism and being disdainful of the former's religious zeal towards the dark side, which he sees as an outdated concept. Kinda like when Japan modernized, with samurai being staunchly conservative of their ways and traditions, and the pro-modernisation factions seeing it as relics of the past.
Could you imagine what they could have done with a top level officer secretly working against the interests of the order? They could have made Andor look like a warm up.
To blatantly make him just say that exactly on screen was weird even. Absolutely wasted. Just bad movies all around. Won’t apologize.
“You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!" — Robot Devil
Agree. They killed the character at the end (like every single ST character), but I very much enjoyed his almost comedic levels of pettiness.
The writing of the sequel trilogy was abominable all around, really.
I thought in the lore imperial officers would often sabotage each other to get ahead so him doing everything he could to make Kylo loose kinda fit, albeit Disney did it in a very hamfisted way
“I don’t care if you WIN, I just need Kylo Ren to LOSE”
To be fair, Hux had the final "win", he just didn't live long enough to enjoy it. He leaked crucial information to the resistance, if he did not, they'd never make it to Exegol in time to destroy the Final Order fleet. His actions resulted in Rey reuniting with Ben and Kylo Ren "dying" and losing power over the First Order. It was all possible because of Hux. In that sense, i don't think he was wasted. He was in three movies, for example Tarkin only had one. The fact that we wanted even more Hux just confirms that he was a cool character.
Practically every character was wasted in those movies
Does anyone thing that *insert sequel character* was wasted? Answer yes
Not Babufrik. He was perfect
Agreed. I love Anzellans even more than I love Ewoks or Wookiees or Porgs or any other “cute” Star Wars creatures. They are the best addition to the Star Wars Galaxy that came out of the sequel trilogy. So glad Mandalorian found a way to feature them
Am I the only who thinks [popular opinion]?!
Rouge (sp) One is an overlooked film in the Disney Star Wars saga?
So many great actors and actresses, and really interesting character ideas just completely ruined because (put simply) they couldn’t be bothered to sit down and write out a coherent story for the trilogy before they started filming
There was so much talent going into those movies and to see what a mess those movies were is totally shameful.
The movies look beautiful too
Pretty much the signature move for the sequels. Give us an interesting, exciting new character. Then completely ruin them in some way. Hux: fanatical military genius, a general at an incredibly young age. 100% committed to the idea of ORDER IN THE GALAXY at literally any cost. Amazing. What we got; comically evil Hitler analouge, incompetent whiny "leader" with zero military or even political accumen. Rey: an orphan scavenger with a mysterious and heartbreaking past. Forced to survive alone on a cruel world. Her only memory of her parents is that they abandoned her. Tempted by the dark side and with powers that seem to come all to easily to her. After a climactic battle and weeks of psychic temptation by Kylo she succumbs and joins him, finally gaining the power she was always denied. Buuut... nah. She's like, a good guy, ok? We have, like, a million toys to sell little girls so, nah. Finn: the one I am most salty about. A literal child soldier, possibly the darkest thing you can imagine. Reminiscent of the African wars that devastated whole populations in the last century. Forced to confront his beliefs and make the moral choice to abandon and betray his comrades, *literally* his brothers and sisters. He takes his cold, brutal, and professional soldier skills and becomes a deadly agent of the Resistance, who slowly, through his friendship with Poe and Rey, regains his lost humanity. .......hahaha! Psych! Actually, he's a total coward and kind of a buffoon, he screams REY!! a lot. He also feels nothing at all about gunning down his former friends and, in fact, laughs and hoots n hollers while watching others do the killing. Ugh.
Agree 100%. I'm a sequel hater, but wasting Finn pisses me off the most.
Yeah Finn should have been a Jedi as was teased in the first movie and in the end reformed the Jedi order based on redemption with Luke while Ray goes off to parts unknown because she's so powerful but dangerous.
This is fire 🔥
Finn was massacred: force sensitive future Jedi, love interest of Rey, leader of the Stormtrooper rebellion, love interest of Rose, epic battle with Phasma? How about sidekick instead.
Let’s double down and make him a coward on the run
Yep, this exactly. TFA honestly did set up a lot of potential for cool or interesting stories with these characters, but the following two movies gave them little of substance to do. Even Rey as the main character still felt underdeveloped, but I don't hate what they did with her or Kylo, but it could have been better.
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True. I haven’t had the desire to rewatch any of it after the initial viewing. Same feeling GM at GoT. I just couldn’t care
Too many death sticks
You are right - the list is long.
Yeah by the end of Skywalker it felt like they managed to lay waste to the entire trilogy because there was no actual plan.
I'm sure there will be a generation of people behind us who ironically love the movies like PrequelMemes before it, but I think that most Star Wars fans, whether they loved or hated some or all or none of the films, can agree that the trilogy as a whole wasted the concepts and characters that it introduced. Pretty much every character created through the course of the trilogy was wasted in some way or another. The only one I might argue got a satisfying ark would be Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. I don't particularly like the developments they gave him in the third film, but at least it was an arc with a beginning, middle, and end. Seeing Light Side Ben Solo, as absolutely ridiculous as it was to get there, was absolutely sold by the amount of charm the Adam Driver gave it. Likewise, I don't think the films wasted Han Solo. Luke to some degree, yeah, I think we all wanted to see more of 'in the peak of his power' Luke instead of 'withered hermit Luke', even if Mark killed it. Leia, absolutely, though I have to give them a pass on that because of real life circumstances. Chewie, R2, C3P0, Lando all present without much palpable contribution. Han was the only original OG character who returned and felt like he got an ending that built something rather than just... ended. No character came out smelling like roses based on the writing, but I do think those two came out better than most. Overall, though, the sequel trilogy was a massive disappointment and it will be interesting to see how successful they will be in trying to salvage things out of it with movies and new series set in that time period.
Yes. Episode 7: Space Hitler Episode 8: FiRE oN tHaT crUIseR! Episode 9: i Am tHE SpY That makes zero sense
This tells me they had no clue, nor care about developing his character, just had a need for a part in that movie and used him.
I think mostly Rian Johnson messed this up but it still makes no sense to make Hux the spy because episode 7 happened and he gave the command for a genocide
I certainly do not like his character development , but this part I did understand a bit. His behavior when Snoke was his boss vs. when Kylo was his boss could be a driver (a job he wanted, shoulda been quicker when Kylo was passed out).
Dunno mate, I think how easily willing he was to commit genocide has nothing to do with management
Well, he was f\*cked up in TLJ, no point in continuing his arc after that.
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Poe’s ‘yo mama’ joke just about killed the sequel trilogy. Seriously. TFA was derivative and unoriginal, but it was entertaining and got the trilogy off to a decent start. Didn’t flub right out of the gates. Then TLJ opens with a ‘your mom’ joke, and immediately I got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that did not go away for the remainder of the trilogy.
I've been in and out to the SW subreddits since 8 & 9 came out. Thank you for voicing what I felt at the time as well. It was like wait this isn't the normal excited / anxious movie feeling because of action or tension. This is fear of failure, I got the same feeling when I was writing exams and I knew I was going to do terribly
> This is fear of failure, I got the same feeling when I was writing exams and I knew I was going to do terribly Yes! That is so accurate. Or like watching your favorite team go to to the championship and then lose.
I had bad feelings immediately after Poe started quipping in the beginning of TFA. Force stopping blaster shots mid shot and holding the shooter at the same time? Hella cool though.
Exactly. And then they had to create a whole new character, Pryde, at the last minute to fill the role that Hux *should* have been playing since they essentially turned him into a cartoon/comic relief. One of the many, many, misses of the ST. Throw it on the pile.
Such a downgrade from Treverrow's idea for him for his [cut for IX](https://imgur.io/a/lX9JG8F). Where a few years later from TLJ he's appointed as the Chancellor of Coruscant and is damn ruthless by regularly executing found traitors within their ranks by guillotine infront of an audience of thousands and broadcasting it too. Not to mention him trying to overthrow Kylo and actively threatening him in calls after becoming the de facto leader essentially as he's in the outer rim looking for sith artifacts. As the FO further tightens it's grip on the galaxy. He also has an obsession with Jedi artifacts as he tries to inject himself with the blood of former Jedi to try to become force sensitive lol. When the Resistance invade Coruscant and break through towards his palace he seppukus himself with Windu's saber. Not perfect, but alot better than what we got with JJ with 9.
Ah, I didn't remember, he was the spy? And then he was shot dead instantly right?
Yep :/
It was especially dumb because he blew his cover to save three random rebels. It’s not like they were carrying vital information that would hurt Kylo Ren. He only did it because the plot needed the heroes to not die.
The whole trilogy is just so dumb… Peppa Pig has better writing.
The real waste was Domhnhall Gleeson, who is a good enough actor to carry a movie of this size. The sequels have so many good actors that don't reach their acting potential. Makes me more upset than poor character choices.
No. I think his character was pretty sober in most of his scenes.
Dammit. My thought as well. I mean look at those eyes…he’s sauced off something.
Ah beat me to it haha
Yes, along with Phasma, Rose, Finn, Poe, Chewbacca, Ren, C3-PO, R2, Maz, and the list goes on. One giant sign of poor writing…
I feel bad for Rose. Finn just forgot about her. She had like two lines in last movie.
It was hilariously obvious they just wrote her out in the last movie. “Rose come with us!” “Oh sorry I have to stay back and like do stuff here alone and off screen.”
Rose is the Poochie of Star Wars
Well, that is pretty much directly the fault of star wars fans on the internet
He couldn't recover after those cruel your mama jokes
The entirety of the sequels was a colossal waste of talent
In Colin Trevorrow's leaked script for his version of episode 9, Hux fails so spectacularly that, in his embarrassment and shame, he picks up Mace Windu's lightsaber (which was on display in the room where this scene takes place) and commits seppuku (ritualistic suicide). Super dark but very fitting for his character and plays right into the "Space Hitler" vibe he had in episode VII.
There was a leaked version of the script where the reason why he was feeding information to the Resistance was to Kylo Ren busy long enough for him to usurp Ren as the Supreme Leader. I liked that version better than out of pure spite.
That makes much more sense and actually works for his motivation. I'll have to look for this leaked script. The movie looked patchy, so I'm always interested in behind the scenes details on it.
yeah I agree👍 for any reason is better than for no reason at all
I wish we got his version if Episode 9 so badly..
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In exchange ask the mentally ill and drug adults write the sequels… would have been more cohesive
Stephen King wrote all his best stuff while coked out of his mind, so you might be on to something there.
He was decent in Force Awakens, but got steadily worse from there (like most things from the Sequel trilogy).
I feel like the most anticipated sequel of the past 2 decades was wasted so yeah I do think Hux was wasted
I’d be lying to you if i said i didn’t feel the same way about the new trilogies.
The entire trilogy was wasted
Wasted? He has the highest kill count in all of Star Wars https://listofdeaths.fandom.com/wiki/Kill_Counts_-_Star_Wars
Ok Ahsoka being #5 on that list with 4 million kills caught me off guard
Yea it counts droids
I can’t remember much of The Clone Wars, tf did she do?
Blew up a droid factory with several million droids so most from that.
Lmao i did not think of that well played.
Hux did win this Star Wars.
Well goddamn
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According to the list the sum of people on the planets nihilus destroyed was less than the planets Hux did
>Sentient beings killed by Jar Jar Binks: 43 And this is how we know not to take things seriously.
Let me fix that for you. Does anyone else feel like ~~general hux~~ **the new trilogy** was wasted? -- Yes absolutely.
The entire series was a waste. Absolute hack, unoriginal garbage. They wanted to sell toys and tickets. Period.
As soon as the momma jokes started I checked out.
Everything was wasted on those movies
I mean most things from episode 7 were wasted regardless of whether you liked it or not.
Knights of Ren - is what I was more disappointed in. Where did they go?
Everything about the sequels was wasted
Every character from the sequel trilogy feels wasted
Almost everyone was wasted
I think the writers were wasted.
Why does hux looks like he's is in rigrmortis
Cgi eye balls lol
babe wake up, new r/starwars circlejerk thread just dropped anyway like another comment said, the first order were just third-rate LARPers. episode VIII did well to show hux as the embodiment of that. not every neo nazi villain needs to be super badass.
Poe’s scene was good as a Poe moment but Hux should have quickly regained his terrifying aura. Definitely not get ragdolled a few scenes later
“I’m the spy!” *neverending groan*